252+ Atk Protosynthesis Roaring Moon Acrobatics (110 BP) vs. 220 HP / 132 Def Flutter Mane: 123-145 (77.8 - 91.7%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
#competitive_discussion
supple ether
molten oasis
THATS NOT AN OHKO
polar canyon
That's the most defensive flutter you'll see
supple ether
Flitter naturally outspeeds too
molten oasis
THATS A BYE MOON
timber falcon
fr
molten oasis
That's the most defensive flutter you'll see
That’s fairly common tbh
timber falcon
Flitter naturally outspeeds too
depends on the set
molten oasis
I’ve seen that bulk on a lot of stuff
supple ether
252+ Atk Protosynthesis Roaring Moon Acrobatics (110 BP) vs. 100 HP / 60 Def Flutter Mane: 136-161 (95.1 - 112.5%) -- 75% chance to OHKO
timber falcon
and if that dont work i just tera
polar canyon
That's the least defensive flutter you'll see outside of max max
timber falcon
what a suprise flutter is 1 again
polar canyon
Incineroar is third LLLLL
molten oasis
Can’t wait for it to die a little in restricted
polar canyon
not second
supple ether
That's the least defensive flutter you'll see outside of max max
252+ Atk Protosynthesis Roaring Moon Acrobatics (110 BP) vs. 168 HP / 100 Def Flutter Mane: 129-152 (85.4 - 100.6%) -- 6.3% chance to OHKO
molten oasis
I hate fluttermane if that wasn’t obvious
timber falcon
flutter needs to die out tbh#
timber falcon
nuh uh
supple ether
molten oasis
That thing isn’t cute
timber falcon
rapid making a comeback?#
polar canyon
It looks like it's high but other than that it's cute
molten oasis
And “versatile” is just is it speed control or a nuke
timber falcon
i hope amoongus dies
polar canyon
Constantly on weed
molten oasis
i hope amoongus dies
You wish
timber falcon
And “versatile” is just is it speed control or a nuke
pretty much
polar canyon
And “versatile” is just is it speed control or a nuke
Hey sometimes it uses trick room
molten oasis
I think your throwing if you use tr mane rn
supple ether
Flying types go ridiculous this format
timber falcon
Hey sometimes it uses trick room
thats a dumb strat imo
supple ether
Too bad all the fkying type attackers are ass
molten oasis
Farigiraf just makes way more sense
molten oasis
Too bad all the fkying type attackers are ass
Wdym bleakwind always hits
timber falcon
Flying types go ridiculous this format
thats why none are in top 12 right/
supple ether
I am once again saying meowscarada solves this format
timber falcon
thats wrong
molten oasis
Wtf does meowscarada do
polar canyon
Then prove it
timber falcon
its gonna get bodied so hard
polar canyon
Go use it
molten oasis
Don’t get me wrong meowscarada is one of my favorite mons but what does it do
polar canyon
I'd love to be proven wrong
molten oasis
I think you have to use band
polar canyon
I like meows
supple ether
Wtf does meowscarada do
Ice, grass, dark coverage. Good speed and decent attack. Grass and dark defensive typing
timber falcon
I think you have to use band
flutter violates #
supple ether
It's just a few stat points away
molten oasis
Cuz otherwise it’s the most middling damage
polar canyon
It only hits hard when it crits
molten oasis
Ice coverage?
timber falcon
Ice, grass, dark coverage. Good speed and decent attack. Grass and dark defensiv...
incin victim
polar canyon
It got axel
dapper crag
SableyeBot version 4.25.1
molten oasis
IT GOT AXEL???
supple ether
IT GOT AXEL???
polar canyon
Protean makes more sense now
molten oasis
I sense a new idea coming along
supple ether
SEE???
molten oasis
(Btw meow gets bodied by half the meta lol)
polar canyon
I'm still disappointed that tera stellar stops protean from working
supple ether
Im telling you it's so close
dapper crag
SableyeBot version 4.25.1
timber falcon
mediocre bulk
molten oasis
So like, I think you run band
timber falcon
and unimpressive speed
molten oasis
Hold on gimme a second
polar canyon
That's below mediocre tbh
Chien has more doesn't it? And it's known for dying to everything
dapper crag
SableyeBot version 4.25.1
polar canyon
Well it is stab on whatever you use first
So it has stab band triple axel
Which you could say weavile does better but
timber falcon
all i see is another fluttermane fodder
supple ether
252 Atk Choice Band Meowscarada Knock Off vs. 168 HP / 100 Def Flutter Mane: 102-120 (67.5 - 79.4%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
Sorry, wronf paste
polar canyon
Lol
supple ether
252 Atk Choice Band Meowscarada Flower Trick vs. 168 HP / 100 Def Flutter Mane on a critical hit: 165-195 (109.2 - 129.1%) -- guaranteed OHKO
polar canyon
252 Atk Choice Band Meowscarada Knock Off vs. 168 HP / 100 Def Flutter Mane: 102...
That's not a good look
timber falcon
252 Atk Choice Band Meowscarada Flower Trick vs. 168 HP / 100 Def Flutter Mane o...
this is assuming its ever gonna outspeed
supple ether
252 Atk Choice Band Meowscarada Flower Trick vs. 220 HP / 132 Def Flutter Mane on a critical hit: 157-186 (99.3 - 117.7%) -- 93.8% chance to OHKO
polar canyon
Is that knock with or without an item?
molten oasis
So like you do this
Meowscarada @ Choice Band
Ability: Protean
Level: 50
Tera Type: Grass
EVs: 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature
- Flower Trick
- Triple Axel
- Lash Out
- U-turn
Or you do this
Meowscarada @ Choice Scarf
Ability: Protean
Level: 50
Tera Type: Grass
EVs: 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spe
Adamant Nature
- Flower Trick
- Triple Axel
- Lash Out
- U-turn
polar canyon
Lash out is fun
polar canyon
If you're doing tera grass you might as well try stellar
molten oasis
I think you do grass ti maximize grass damage since you don’t run overgrow
And I have protean
polar canyon
Yea
polar canyon
Gives you 2 options?
molten oasis
On a band set I could see play rough over uturn
polar canyon
It's like the thing with stellar chien
There's uses for both boosted sucker and ice moves
molten oasis
But you run your stabs then do u-turn sucker triple axel or play rough
However, I still think you will struggle to get it to work
timber falcon
There's uses for both boosted sucker and ice moves
at that point just run the much better chien?
tired sage
why are we using meow?
polar canyon
at that point just run the much better chien?
This tbh
molten oasis
why are we using meow?
We’re looking at it
tired sage
ah
molten oasis
It got triple axel
tired sage
i have a meow set...
Although its a weird meow set
molten oasis
Which is interesting as it lets it hit flying
timber falcon
i have a meow set...
Although its a weird meow set
show
molten oasis
And dragon
polar canyon
Axel does dragon
More chances to miss tho
It's funny to use ice on bolt
Like what is it gonna do? tera grass?
tired sage
show
Meowscarada
Ability: Protean
Level: 50
Tera Type: Grass
- Taunt
- Grass Pledge
- Flower Trick
- U-turn
pledge combo variant
polar canyon
Oh
timber falcon
Meowscarada
Ability: Protean
Level: 50
Tera Type: Grass
- Taunt
- Gras...
item?
tired sage
polar canyon
Swamp team
molten oasis
Meowscarada
Ability: Protean
Level: 50
Tera Type: Grass
- Taunt
- Gras...
I see
timber falcon
sitrus usually but sometimes AV and taunt is replaced with lash out
sitrus meow?????
polar canyon
Sitrus meows
molten oasis
I fought a couple of the pledge teams, and wrecked them
polar canyon
As expected
tired sage
OH WAIT NOT SITRUS I MEANT SASH
timber falcon
I fought a couple of the pledge teams, and wrecked them
ive never lost to one
molten oasis
Ok honestly
tired sage
ive never lost with rainbow
polar canyon
I think I lost once
molten oasis
I see a niche case for meow tbh
polar canyon
ive never lost with rainbow
Not the rainbow rock slide
molten oasis
Triple axel let’s it hit the thing it hated most which was flying
timber falcon
ive never lost with rainbow
so u have used it for 2 matches?
tired sage
Not the rainbow rock slide
even better, rainbow fickle beam
polar canyon
Triple axel let’s it hit the thing it hated most which was flying
Doesn't it have thunder punch?
timber falcon
Doesn't it have thunder punch?
weak
molten oasis
No, I don’t think so
molten oasis
WHAT
polar canyon
And it's stab
timber falcon
it has it
molten oasis
NOOOOO RILLABOOM IS SI MUCH COOLER THAN FMUTTERMANE
timber falcon
No, I don’t think so
it has thunder punch btw
timber falcon
didnt expect that
tired sage
okay but H
hear me out.
trick room setup with delphox, fire pledge and empoleon with water pledge, sac delphox or hard switch to hydra and fickle beam
timber falcon
WHY FLUTTERMANE
molten oasis
Have fun getting rolled by meta
timber falcon
okay but H
hear me out.
trick room setup with delphox, fire pledge and empoleon ...
just use indeedee or farig
timber falcon
pledge teams seem inconsisent
tired sage
just use indeedee or farig
you need fire pledge-
what fire pledge incin then?
timber falcon
you need fire pledge-
what fire pledge incin then?
i mean, i once lost to nasty plot scorching sand incin......
tired sage
pledge teams seem inconsisent
no way
supple ether
okay but H
hear me out.
trick room setup with delphox, fire pledge and empoleon ...
It's interesting, but giving strong "regidrago at home" vibes 
timber falcon
i mean, i once lost to nasty plot scorching sand incin......
but how the heck was i supposed to read that lmao
molten oasis
Wtf who runs np scorching sands incin
timber falcon
this random guy apparently
tired sage
Have fun getting rolled by meta
also, most of my stupid teams kinda uh...
"beat" the meta in a way where i guess i catch the opponent off guard-
yes this is ots
timber falcon
also, most of my stupid teams kinda uh...
"beat" the meta in a way where i guess...
this will work, but it will also be incosistent
tired sage
like i understand the surprise factor if its closed team sheets-
but in open team sheets???
molten oasis
like i understand the surprise factor if its closed team sheets-
but in open tea...
People prob don’t know how the pledge moves work
Unless you’re in high ladder
tired sage
mm that makes more sense
molten oasis
Does rainbow just boost the chance of a secondary effect going off?
tired sage
doubles secondary effects
tired sage
yep-
molten oasis
“Eat these 100% burns mf”
tired sage
100 bp sacred fire with 100% burn
molten oasis
Anyway, I think I’m gonna look at using banded meow
But it’s the grass spot
Per usual
gentle cragBOT
Result: 243.000000
molten oasis
That’s, decent
252 Atk Choice Band Meowscarada Flower Trick vs. 212 HP / 132 Def Flutter Mane on a critical hit: 157-186 (100 - 118.4%) -- guaranteed OHKO interesting
252 Atk Choice Band Protean Meowscarada Triple Axel (3 hits) vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Tornadus: 248-294 (133.3 - 158%) -- guaranteed OHKO
I’ll mess with this, it loses to scarf shifu and booster flutter tho
woeful epoch
Most things do
molten oasis
I don’t think flutter hits 194 (outspeeds meow)
timber falcon
252 Atk Choice Band Protean Meowscarada Triple Axel (3 hits) vs. 252 HP / 252+ D...
what if torn outspeeds
molten oasis
Most things do
Fair point
supple ether
Match starting
molten oasis
what if torn outspeeds
It literally can’t unless it’s got tw up
timber falcon
It literally can’t unless it’s got tw up
it can
molten oasis
Bud
timber falcon
timid torn > adamant meow
molten oasis
Meow is base 123 speed
supple ether
Max speed torn 😭
molten oasis
I’m not running adamant
timber falcon
ah ok
supple ether
Big meteor
molten oasis
Oof
timber falcon
eric taking that big lead
molten oasis
By dnite
timber falcon
surely its grass tera
timber falcon
bro that bulk
molten oasis
AV bolt is crazy good
timber falcon
oh wake
timber falcon
nah snarl is gud insnt it?
timber falcon
LOL
molten oasis
ok yea bolt was fine
timber falcon
that heatran is basically dead
molten oasis
The game is joever
timber falcon
over after turn one
timber falcon
raging bolt shenanigans
dapper crag
SableyeBot version 4.25.1
molten oasis
Ok if I Tera protean doesn’t matter as much
molten oasis
That first turn was huge
timber falcon
fr that dragonite was the only thing that wouldve stopped that bolt
everything else would struggle
molten oasis
Fair
timber falcon
even worse he only got info on 2 of his mons
molten oasis
It’s ots
timber falcon
ah ok
molten oasis
That’s wild
karmic temple
1hp huge
timber falcon
bold eq
karmic temple
Why eq and not protect flutter 😭
supple ether
WHAT
molten oasis
Bruh
supple ether
supple ether
INVISIBLE FARIGIRAF 
timber falcon
the comeback is real
molten oasis
Nah you just lose ngl
karmic temple
Oh prio chip
karmic temple
Ya I didn’t realize it was so low hp
molten oasis
You need a miss
karmic temple
Yuge
molten oasis
OOOF
bold geode
THAT BEARD
supple ether
molten oasis
That beard is kinda crazy
timber falcon
crazy how matches can go 180 so fST
supple ether
Holy glorious facial hair
bold geode
That beard is kinda crazy
Reminds me of that one gym guy
karmic temple
Yall just noticing his beard?!
molten oasis
crazy how matches can go 180 so fST
Not clicking sucker and tclap was a mad throw
karmic temple
I told my bf he looks like a mountain man
molten oasis
If they switch out you’re fine
bold geode
@molten oasis
If you wanna win a regional, your Mons better be FN swole
supple ether
Is there ever a situation where tclap/SP into flutter doesnt just gas?
molten oasis
Bud doesn’t even have farigiraf 
molten oasis
Is there ever a situation where tclap/SP into flutter doesnt just gas?
Flutter always dies to either there
supple ether
woeful epoch
Miles will make an excellent Santa Claus when he gets older
molten oasis
Facts
supple ether
bold geode
Cassiopeia theme
Pog
molten oasis
That going into pao is huge
timber falcon
that dragonite in a bad place thoguh
molten oasis
That was the plan I’d assume
supple ether
3 turns of outrage tho
bold geode
Damn
molten oasis
Just tclap
charred saddle
the outrage kinda hurts
karmic temple
Eric got this
molten oasis
Eric wins
charred saddle
clicking outrage makes him in a really bad spot
molten oasis
Ggs
charred saddle
will be very low damage later on
bold geode
Damn
karmic temple
Gg ez
molten oasis
Walking mid
timber falcon
real
karmic temple
Never beating the allegations
charred saddle
ez clear by eric in g3
supple ether
Clapped
charred saddle
bolt > wake
molten oasis
Fr
timber falcon
anyday
charred saddle
HE EVEN MISSED THE AIR SLASH HAHA
timber falcon
LMAO
charred saddle
thats hard
molten oasis
Stabbing the wound huh
supple ether
Rngesus has spoken
charred saddle
the game 2 was a very ballsy play by miles tho
molten oasis
It would have been funnier if Draco missed from wake
molten oasis
the game 2 was a very ballsy play by miles tho
Not clicking the prio moves was a mad throw imo
charred saddle
tbh true, but its a good turn by miles
molten oasis
At least sucker into flutter
molten oasis
Yea, that was weird
charred saddle
nvm hhe prob is afraid of switch ins
supple ether
Couldnt find it during the set, but in honor of penny's theme:
charred saddle
whcih is a possibility
charred saddle
hmm lots of speed then?
bold geode
We saw bolt was faster than the dnite
If Game 3, then no
TClap into Outrage lock
molten oasis
Yea it is
molten oasis
If Game 3, then no
TClap into Outrage lock
Game 3 no shit, I’m talking about game 2
bold geode
chrome knot
dropped
bold geode
Damn
Why
Also they're doubting Gouging Fire, that's some bullshit
Well Emma I'm still proud regardless
bold geode
They think ddance is better
This is some bullshit propaganda
autumn kelp
casters recommendations
supple ether
Dance your way out of the tournament fr fr
Do you think if bug types resisted fairy they would be viable? What if they were immune to fairy -- would they be broken?
supple ether
I would ask what would happen if fsiry was weak to bug, but that would just mean attackers other than bug get more utility
rustic mountain
bold geode
<:worrygreen:1028354506624335962>
rustic mountain
lmao
bold geode
I've gotten to the point where I browse the library of worry lmao
supple ether
Next match starting soon
real prairie
Would air balloon mean chien pao isn't impacted by psychic terrain?
rustic mountain
plz dont run air balloon chien pao
real prairie
Psychic terrain protects
That makes that idea void
supple ether
LETS GO DRAGO LETS GO :CLAP: :CLAP: :CLAP:
supple ether
That makes that idea void
Just gholdengo trick air baloon then sucker punch
Or skill swap levitate
real prairie
Just gholdengo trick air baloon then sucker punch
I know you aren't serious but All of that gets redirected by follow me lol
weary steeple
I used to think I was the shit at pokemon
Until I dealt with no sleep clause focus punch gym leader in soul silver and had most of my team killed
real prairie
Until I dealt with no sleep clause focus punch gym leader in soul silver and had...
Whitney miltank humbled an entire generation of people
weary steeple
Whitney miltank humbled an entire generation of people
F in chat. I had female pokemon and onix so it was fine. It’s just weird playing single player and having to deal with cheese
supple ether
Oh rough turn
kindred cypress
LETS GO DRAGO LETS GO :CLAP: :CLAP: :CLAP:
Is he playing or something?
supple ether
On Martin's team yeah
real prairie
F in chat. I had female pokemon and onix so it was fine. It’s just weird playing...
This was either luck or you went in knowing what you were going up against lol
weary steeple
This was either luck or you went in knowing what you were going up against lol
I’m aware of the miltank and stuff but I always have a preference for female pokemon myself and just wanted to use an onix so the aligned
bold geode
WAIT HOWL IS 64 PP WTF
real prairie
Fair, as a 10 year old I had no gender preferences in a play through 🤣
supple ether
Daaaaamn
HUGE bleakwind
Just dont miss 4head
martin no
You were the choen one
47 damage 
rigid robin
why do nobody post rental single teams?
supple ether
becauase singles < doubles
A majority of people here are doubles
But we do have a couple singles players you could work with
bold geode
Yeah usually this channel is more trafficked towards doubles as VGC is the format Pokemon uses for regionals and stuff
I think Smogon has singles rentals somewhere though
molten oasis
could ping shiro about a team maybe
bold geode
NOOOOOOO
Nicholas Donnely is out of Day 2 contention
Not the rizz king
bold geode
could ping shiro about a team maybe
Well seeing as he wants a rental, he more than likely is talking BSS, which I don't think Shiro partakes in
molten oasis
fair
molten oasis
NOOOOOOO
Nicholas Donnely is out of Day 2 contention
Not the rizz king
its not that funny anymore ngl
rigid robin
i had a dedicated BSS team but i want to switch it up for reg F
supple ether
I need new faces
Monke looking at his emoji list 
bold geode
Monke looking at his emoji list <:lookswitchstare:1203469630144913460>
Me AF
supple ether
I kinda hate this song 
molten oasis
whatever bro
not funny, didnt laugh
supple ether
Next match starting soon
molten oasis
volcarona is good
supple ether
Suicune very interesting
I aint seen.it yet I dont think
6/1 too
Torn is trained stupid bulky
Holy
molten oasis
suicune on stream?
supple ether
Ye
molten oasis
cool
wise star
Y’all used okidogi competitively? I’m tryna make alolan ninetails work 😅and okidogi seems to be an acceptable combo with it + rock arcanine. But thinking incineroar is still a better intimidater with the first 2
supple ether
Ive seen okidogi kinda? It's pretty rogue
real prairie
I've seen a screens ogidogi team before, bulky as hell
stone tide
just came into the stream, what's fiona running on that suicune?
mighty stump
I just don't think A9 is in a good spot
real prairie
I've seen a screens ogidogi team before, bulky as hell
They used grim though
wise star
How about battle armor cloyster and A9 to not get crit? 😅
Would sableye work as a good screens setter with dogi? Or bulkier grimm probably safer?
mighty stump
Cloyster is even worse, Sableye/Grimm both works for screens but I prefer non-screens Sableye
real prairie
Sash or redirect grim usually always gets up both screens
mighty stump
Grimmsnarl doesn't have redirection nor runs Sash
real prairie
Grimmsnarl doesn't have redirection nor runs Sash
I meant something to redirect attention away from Grim
orchid falcon
whats a good EV spread for toxtricity?
supple ether
Rough lead for Fiona 
wise star
Yah sableye with thunder wave snarl seemingly enjoyable to me
mighty stump
Redirection to set up screens is incredibly passive
real prairie
Unnecessary, you just live with bulk + screens
Fake out + Heavy slam goes brrr
mighty stump
Yah sableye with thunder wave snarl seemingly enjoyable to me
Not fast enough/bulky enough to run something like Snarl, Wisp is the better move for status, if you wanted control you'd run Quash
real prairie
Redirection to set up screens is incredibly passive
Screens in general is passive lol
mighty stump
Fake out + Heavy slam goes brrr
What lead is going Fake Out into Heavy Slam?
mighty stump
Screens in general is passive lol
No?
supple ether
wise star
So no cloyster A9 or A9 and okidogi
mighty stump
So no cloyster A9 or A9 and okidogi
A9 and Okidogi is the better option out of those two.
wise star
And I finally got the shiny articuno in DAs and wanted to make it feasible in competitive. Really wanted to try with A9
Maybe just not bright powder?
mighty stump
I mean, Bright Powder is the only valid one.
supple ether
Dominant showing so far by Livinghouse, 
stone tide
you guys think helping hand or icy wind is better on the scald-tailwind-snarl suicune set?
mighty stump
Scald TW Scald?
molten oasis
Fiona leading Suicune into Torn HO and just having a rough time
Did Suicune lose?
supple ether
Two scalds?
stone tide
oh lol
mighty stump
Did Suicune lose?
Losing
stone tide
my brain is wack
supple ether
Wild miss holy
stone tide
i meant to put snarl
supple ether
Somehow Fiona isnt insta cooked
mighty stump
Icy Wind
real prairie
you guys think helping hand or icy wind is better on the scald-tailwind-snarl su...
Protect lol
molten oasis
I don’t think Suicune is bad tbh
supple ether
BIG LIVE
real prairie
Imo ofc, but I'd go with Tofu over my word 😅
molten oasis
It just, doesn’t do anything after tw
mighty stump
Icy Wind just helps for the mirrors a lot better
It feels really shitty in front of Ogerpon Wellspring
supple ether
speed tiers ohnoe
supple ether
WHAT
molten oasis
It feels really shitty in front of Ogerpon Wellspring
Yea, it doesn’t do anything
supple ether
wise star
Ok so how about A9 with raging bolt?
supple ether
Damn Fiona living on a 10% prayer
She's 6/1 though, like, suicune has gotta be better than this
molten oasis
Ok so how about A9 with raging bolt?
Just don’t run a9, as much as I hate to say it a9 just explodes to everything
mighty stump
lando must be bulk invested
molten oasis
And doesn’t do much in return
mighty stump
Ok so how about A9 with raging bolt?
I mean the answer is just A9 with anything bulky
So like
molten oasis
Could do a9 Bax ig
mighty stump
HUGE ADJUSTMENT
supple ether
Im rooting for fiona because she's a shiny hunter after my own heart
molten oasis
If you want screens do Grimmsnarl
supple ether
WHAT
wise star
Gotcha gotcha sank you
supple ether
EXCUSE ME
mighty stump
HAHAHAHHA
balmy glen
🙂
mighty stump
People forgetting the calcs
252 SpA Choice Specs Beads of Ruin Chi-Yu Dark Pulse vs. 4 HP / 0 SpD Arcanine-Hisui: 169-199 (98.8 - 116.3%) -- 93.8% chance to OHKO
stone tide
beads of bad game design
supple ether
Bleakwind storm is clapping cheeks holy
mighty stump
?
supple ether
mighty stump
Lando running 68 HP EVs
supple ether
Good turn for fiona
mighty stump
Ah yes Booster Spe Flutter or "0 damage Flutter"
dull ibex
??
clap flutters cheeks yesss
mighty stump
Livinghouse tryna preserve Urshifu's sash
Like Urshifu has to protect this turn
Oh?
supple ether
OH?
mighty stump
Or is it Bleakwind into Wicked Blow
mighty stump
speed drop oof
mighty stump
GGs Fiona
supple ether
Oh wait
mighty stump
Scald should stil KO
supple ether
Damn
wise star
Starting up the competition, Fiona close
stone tide
YOU CAN DO IT SUICUNE
supple ether
AYOOOOOOO
wise star
OHHHH
stone tide
SUICUNE YEAAAAAAAAAAAAA
supple ether
HOLY SHIT
molten oasis
No way
molten oasis
Did the Suicune win?
supple ether
Lmaoooo
mighty stump
Play to win, not to not lose
molten oasis
Fr
supple ether
Bleakwind storm who? Air Slash 
bold geode
Hi Tofu
mighty stump
Air Slash would have lost the game if Bleakwind didnt speed drop the Lando-I
bold geode
Tofu I need you to reason with me real quick
mighty stump
Bleakwind is so brainless button why does it have a random speed drop
bold geode
And tell me how dumb I am for a thought
mighty stump
?
bold geode
Putting Chop on Incineroar
Of the Throat variety
wild match
mighty stump
Putting Chop on Incineroar
Of the Throat variety
Also fine
bold geode
Also fine
Ok so I'm not stupid
Like I lose Knock Off but like
A bunch of sound based shit around rn
supple ether
Flare blitz can be a surprisingly strong option, too
bold geode
Who don't run Flare Blitz?
supple ether
Ohkos some flutter. 2hkos a bunch of other stuff
supple ether
Who don't run Flare Blitz?
Oh you mean blitz+FO+Partingshot +snarl/throatxhop/lariat?
bold geode
Ok
So AV Incineroar is probably viable right
But imo rn Parting Shot has just too much value to lose
mighty stump
If you're desperate against Iron Defense mons, AV Dariat + Tera Ghost lol
Budget Darkshifu
supple ether
This next round is the last one right? Or is there another
bold geode
If you're desperate against Iron Defense mons, AV Dariat + Tera Ghost lol
Bruh I ain't that crazy lmao
mighty stump
This next round is the last one right? Or is there another
Swiss Round 9 is usually the last one
supple ether
bold geode
Wait Tofu
Does Throat Spray heal Throat Chop effects or?
mighty stump
No?
bold geode
Ok
I had a feeling in gen 8 it did
brazen bough
wait how big is knox
supple ether
Yo worlds is in honolulu?
next stump
yeee
supple ether
I might have to go sounds amazing
tough idol
Aaron stream game
supple ether
Next match starting soon
looking to be HYPE
AV urshiru? Ayo
HOLY good tera
Dayum
Good knowledge for round 2, but man strong round 1 by Jimmy
swords dance and natural outspeed goes wild
Cmon aaron 
that lived??
Jimmy made it look easy wow
that ogre live has to be a roll holuo
+2 76+ Atk Ogerpon-Wellspring Horn Leech (1.2x Mask Boost) vs. 252 HP / 148 Def Ogerpon-Wellspring: 136-162 (72.7 - 86.6%) -- 25% chance to OHKO
(136, 138, 139, 142, 144, 145, 147, 148, 150, 151, 153, 154, 156, 157, 159, 162)
157 down to 3, so missed it by 2/16
Damn tho 3/16 to kill is wild, assuming it's standard on both
bold geode
Thx
Which one?
polar canyon
Gouging
bold geode
Nice
My favorite lol
polar canyon
Sure I started at beginner 2 but it was fun to have an undefeated 8 win streak session
But yeah some players were atrocious
Like the guy who tried to use parting shot on kingambit but I protected
Then on the next turn still used parting shot on kingambit
Low ladder is so funny
bold geode
Yeah lmao
mighty stump
im fighting
Twave Flutter
and Covert Cloak Ursaluna
You cannot make this shit up
silver ravine
Dumb question, but does grassy surge cancel out weather?
next stump
no
gentle cragBOT
Ayy thank you
striferealists has given 1 Gen Rep to mlbd
silver ravine
Still debating if I want Rilla or Iron Hands as my last mon
molten oasis
Still debating if I want Rilla or Iron Hands as my last mon
Team dependent, what’s your team
mighty stump
Looks fine to me
Id honestly just go something offensively oriented
Maybe Iron Bundle + Ninetales for a Blizzard spam mode
silver ravine
Who'd I get rid of though? Dragonite?
mighty stump
You have only 5 mons on that paste?
silver ravine
Oh snap you right
brazen bough
i havent watched or played vgc since day 1 of gc how are the standings at knox like what cores are shining
supple ether
Uhm, I cant really remember a lot of specifics. Kingambit+GF, urshi+Oger, Crown+deedee, chiyu, torn, giraffe+bmursaluna, paonite
Some wild sets of: sunroom, AV DarkUrshi, and Suicune
Lando-I with sub also played a set
Oh glimmora too
karmic temple
5-1 in gc today 😌 im retiring I’ve earned my points
cobalt violet
Just getting into competitive and wanted to build a team with Annihilape. I’ve heard that whimsicott or maushold are good partners but what other pokemon would be best on the team? I figured Gouging Fire and Wellspring Ogerpon would be good but I’m not sure who else. Any recommendations?
supple ether
Pikalytics is great for figuring out what moves and items people have on annihilape and what pokemon its usually next to
Iirc the theory for maushold annihilape was friend guard+followme while annihilape bulked up or built rage fist charges
(dont quote me on that)
Annihilape is really spookd by tornadus, giraffe, and flutter. And to a lesser extent ogrepon and urshifu
So yeah maybe wellspring is a good partner 
cobalt violet
Thank you for the advice!
torn fable
hello people
i am very new to the competittive part of the game but feel like i have a feeling for the game:
i need help with the idea i have for a team:
the idea is using Pincurchin for eletric surge and combine it with a trick room strategy:
the math says that a Pincurchin with a thunderbolt schould ohko a standard water urshifu under electric terrain.
also my thought is future pokemon like iron hands work good with electric terrain and i dont need to worry about spore and the like.
so can anyone help me what pokemons would be good the only thing i have right now is:
Pincurchin
a trick room setter
iron hands
mighty stump
hello people
i am very new to the competittive part of the game but feel like i...
Farigiraf + Bloodmoon Ursaluna would be able to appreciate the Electric Terrain as Amoonguss is one of their main worries.
Iron Hands can also take advantage of Armor Tail as a slow FO user to help set up TR
So that should give you a pretty good base of 4
torn fable
FO?
supple ether
Can also consider raging bolt. It gets exclusive access to rising voltage, which doubles to 140 Power on Electric terrain. Very few things can live that nuke. You also get access to priority in thunderclap and raging bolt is naturally bulky as well
Might be too stuffed at that point, but worth keeping in the backpocket at least
torn fable
ahh
torn fable
Can also consider raging bolt. It gets exclusive access to rising voltage, which...
but will 3 electric not be to much on a team
was considdering maybe filling the last slots with just strong pokemons like inceneror and maybe something that can stop raging bolt
supple ether
Like I said, a lot of type overlapping so maybe not for that particular team but something to keep in mind as you/if you adjust
Incin can be a solid mon for sure
It's more utility than damage though, mind
torn fable
true and i do have a lot of that already but intiminate is just a really important abilyty
supple ether
Landorus could be an interesting slot. Quick enough to function outside of trickroom. Can be Therian for intimidate, or Incarnate (base form) for strong earth and poison type coverage with life orb and sheer force
Alternatively: fluttermane
torn fable
that sounds like a really good choice actually
maybe a stupid idea but iron bundle as the last one
can handle both grass which could be a problem and again get use of electric terrain
lofty tartan
Can help pressure ground threats that would scare your electric stuff. Could be worth at least trying.
torn fable
so the team would be
Pincurchin
Iron hands
bloodmoon ursaluna
Farigiraf
iron bundle
landorus therian form
now the question is the moves and terra types
and worst stats
lofty tartan
There's a helpful resource for that here https://www.pikalytics.com/
torn fable
thx
lofty tartan
You can take a look at the most-used EVs, natures, moves, etc. It doesn't show tera types, though
torn fable
big problem is going to get specific pokemons with low speed IV
question do i need to get low speed on most of them or which one will i not need to focus on
lofty tartan
You can do without like min speed Hands and the rest. Maybe be more concerned about a low speed value Bloodmoon and Farigiraf
torn fable
so max IV On all except Bloodmoon and farigiraf
lofty tartan
You can if that's easier. Hands you can just leave as-is or whatever.
torn fable
ok
lofty tartan
It's not super critical there to have the lowest speed Hands because you can take him in and out of TR
torn fable
Team roster?
oh trick room
so the only tricky one is reallly bloodmoon ursaluna
since fraigirafs can be caught a lot of
lofty tartan
Yeah if people want low speed BM Ursa they have to soft reset for it, so it can be a pain
lofty tartan
No problem
true niche
anyone seen iron hands?
torn fable
anyone seen iron hands?
?
supple ether
anyone seen iron hands?
Last I seen he was fleeing the country. Being charged with battery. He ran in there with an assault vest on and everything
good riddance if you ask me
mighty stump
Landorus could be an interesting slot. Quick enough to function outside of trick...
Id be against the Lando stuff due to coverage overlap tbh
Incin
Deals with Rilla and Psyspam as well
supple ether
Id be against the Lando stuff due to coverage overlap tbh
Wait 
what overlap?
Ice and flying?
Steel/poison?
dull ibex
hi
knotty mirage
I have question does comfey have ability that gives it priority ? because i'm confused how it can outspeed my prankster tailwind tornadus
grizzled bronze
+3 priority on all healing moves
mighty stump
I have question does comfey have ability that gives it priority ? because i'm co...
Triage
dapper crag
SableyeBot version 4.25.1
mighty stump
This includes any moves that drain
knotty mirage
Oh that makes sense now the more you know i guess
mighty stump
Comfey is based mon
knotty mirage
Kinda bs tho
mighty stump
lol
It has it’s strengths and weaknesses
Best Darkshifu threat
But it’s only decently bulky, and barely an offensive threat unless its SE
timber falcon
Any opinions on a support uxie?
dapper crag
SableyeBot version 4.25.1
timber falcon
Very nice bulk
shrewd scarab
It can learn screens and sunny day but it doesn’t have prankster so would have to sash it. Also isn’t the greatest in speed
Could be a Trick room blocker because it can also learn imprison. But there are better choices for all of these
mighty stump
Ehh like
chrome knot
tobfu
chrome knot
hai
mighty stump
Whats ur score
chrome knot
bad :<
chrome knot
had a ts error vs jeudy
and it destroyed my momentum
so i went from a cute 2-0 to a 2-4 drop
mighty stump
Ya but last I saw Jeudy was complementing your play on twt
chrome knot
🥺
mighty stump
I’m v proud of u
chrome knot
thanks, hopefully ill be back for orlando
mighty stump
Run it back
next stump
are you playing the MSS today or just hanging out?
real prairie
@mighty stump
chrome knot
are you playing the MSS today or just hanging out?
hangin out cheering on friend who day 2d on same team
mighty stump
<@250386799363489808>
oh yeah ive seen all the project snorlax artworks and have em all bookmoarked 😎
chrome knot
not in the mss bc i woke up extremely late
chrome knot
Run it back
gotta survive real life first then ill book all my shit
mighty stump
Meanwhile I can't catch a breakl
Lol
Double extreme high roll > Para that mattered for a full endgame
Cart RNG is truly something else
tough idol
Flutter dethroned
bold geode
Flutter dethroned
AYO
Also Goldie finally coming back
Also Rapid going away entirely and Raging Bolt has more usage again than it has recently
Still, it's crazy that Ogerpon is on 2/3 of teams
bold geode
Ye
fallen garden
averi is playing for rng and it's paying off
bold geode
Had to
Switched in P2 to an immediate Taunt
Averi was at a big disadvantage
But now it's a bit worse
Oof
Man
Fix freeze
fallen garden
freeze is too funny to fix
knotty mirage
Flutter dethroned
Huh where rapidshifu
tough idol
Rides out TR and max tur. Freeze
fallen garden
not enough damage output from averi tbh
knotty mirage
Damn i always thought rapid is better on double battle and single is better on single battle but meta change i guess
bold geode
Raging Bolt
fallen garden
has harcanine won anything yet in reg f
bold geode
Nope
bold geode
Yeah GGs
fallen garden
damn i was rooting for averi, she was on the backfoot for most of it
bold geode
Averi's team is just like passive Trick Room team and Justin had a decent amount of offensive threats to pressure so
Ting Lu not sticking around hurt Averi so much
mighty stump
"Passive"
idk id be pretty pressured if id have to risk my mons getting hit with SE moves/slept
bold geode
True that
Well it's not as like
Idk
It's not exactly just up front as Tang's team was imo
tough idol
The man's King of Garchomp facts
bold geode
Ayo this team
timber falcon
lmao
bold geode
Fraudcanine indeed won
timber falcon
😦
grizzled bronze
is this just rock slide spam
bold geode
I mean tbh not necessarily losing too much with that spam here
grizzled bronze
pretty funny ngl
bold geode
I've legit got 4 Rock Slide flinches in a row (on Showdown so)
That shit is fucked
Now you Endeavor that fuckin Lando
Damn he didn't
brazen bough
He should’ve roosted
grizzled bronze
damn is this a 4-0
mighty stump
Yichun really brought the mons that lose to Corviknight, no Flare Blitz into Corviknight either, whats with the Rock Slide spam
Such questionable plays
brazen bough
Gg
fallen garden
Yichun really brought the mons that lose to Corviknight, no Flare Blitz into Cor...
paid actor fr
tough idol
Lol 'Caster wins Regional with Reg B team'
tough idol
Lol Sand v Tang
chrome knot
SCREAMING SHAKING AND THROWING UP
bold geode
Oh you got sigs?
bold geode
Pog
brazen bough
SCREAMING SHAKING AND THROWING UP
Who is the pikachu
chrome knot
moxieboosted
polar canyon
Jugulis gaming
polar canyon
SCREAMING SHAKING AND THROWING UP
Luka is already an idol
idle mica
So a bit new to VGC I climbed in 2 months to ultraball in SW&SH but I just got violet this weekend almost done with the main plot I watch 2 VGC YouTube's and I'm interested in hear some further opinions.....
Which gen 9 pokemon are the most fun to actually use and why not just the most powerful I kinda understand fluttermane and ogerpon are good put if you lose was the match still fun using them?
bold geode
I mean depends on the player really
Like the meta is there
Honestly just playing makes it fun
idle mica
I mean depends on the player really
Like the meta is there
Honestly just playing...
Yeah I guess I could have worded it a bit different fun is subjective..... Ever time I build VGC I usually start with Togikiss I've played probably 8 different move sets and stay spreads over the past 5 is years supportive, damage base, troll stuff even when I lose watching this big honking bird hit super lick crits or paraflich Seren grace just makes me smile at the end of the match my second most use was maybe celasteela both of my mons are gone from this gen so I'm looking for ideas
bold geode
Like I do suggest you do some research learn stuff about meta/archetypes and stuff cuz like general knowledge going into it is so handy
Cuz then you can either make meta stuff or find a niche pick that you think might be good against said meta (easier said than done but hey)
woeful epoch
If you start out playing meta you will understand the meta and then can branch as you see fit
bold geode
Tofu I've started seeing the fucking Bismillah memes
Like why is Choso just going Inshallah
mighty stump
y not
mighty stump
Hey I been meaning to ask
Wtf Tera Poison hitting with P2 that is relevant
Flutter
Post Tera
- Ogerpon Wellspring
Pre Tera
bold geode
Ah
mighty stump
Since Download boosts based on the average defense/spdef of the opp
If Flutter is on the field
It tends to get the Atk Boost
feral viper
anyone got a shiny sewaddle?
mighty stump
This means post Tera, Tera Blast should be using your ATK into Flutter Mane
mighty stump
anyone got a shiny sewaddle?
Not a trading channel.
feral viper
oh
bold geode
Beat me to it
feral viper
whats the trading channel called
mighty stump
karmic temple
Toler is in complete control of the match
mighty stump
and others
Is scrolling difficult, I’m baffled sometimes ngl
Or like, comprehension/reading
bold geode
Or like, comprehension/reading
That one apparently so
I'd understand if they were asking in general chat, but here?
bold geode
Damn +5 Goldie
mighty stump
So you hit Flutter for SE that it should kill most of the time
bold geode
Right
karmic temple
Averi is just not doing anything this match
tough idol
+5 Ghold about to rock the room lol 😆
bold geode
That's what I'm saying
It's passive in a way yet not too passive
Also didn't Averi set TR? That ain't work too well
karmic temple
Wow
bold geode
Now it +4 and DAYUM didn't get it
idle mica
If you start out playing meta you will understand the meta and then can branch a...
I think a misunderstanding occurred I am definitely going to be playing meta while I adapt to scarlet&violet, I just got the game and so building a team for me is like a 2 month job after work. So I ask the questions above because I'm going to be using retail teams for a couple months and I wanted options on which pokemon people see used in creative ways. I haven't seen to much on stuff since the VGC world championship in August. So unless it made a splash there I might be uneducated. Like not a single top eight I believe had the ogre in any form but I know since then there as been buzz.
bold geode
I think a misunderstanding occurred I am definitely going to be playing meta whi...
Oh Oger has been in a bunch of top 8
karmic temple
Zzz this is such a slow match what is Avery doing
tough idol
Oger wasn't available at Worlds. Only became legal in January I think
bold geode
No it was legal in September? Maybe October
tough idol
Ah I'm thinking Indigo lol
bold geode
I'm thinking October
feral viper
anyone have a shiny sewaddle?
idle mica
Oh Oger has been in a bunch of top 8
I am willing to bet ogre has top 8 since just not at 2023
karmic temple
lol
tough idol
bold geode
@feral viper go to trading channels plz
We don't do that here
feral viper
<@1157812137381593178> go to trading channels plz
We don't do that here
the trade section has a 10 min cooldown im not trading there
bold geode
Too bad
feral viper
anyone have a shiny sewaddle?
stone tide
then go to #sv_discussion
karmic temple
Yeah so people don’t spam
bold geode
Be patient
We don't trade here
tough idol
the trade section has a 10 min cooldown im not trading there
Then you won't be trading anywhere
rustic mountain
feral viper
ill give a shiny hisuian zoroark
stone tide
or find a different server
bold geode
Sigh
rustic mountain
uve been told where to go man dont b weird
feral viper
whos tofu
bold geode
The staff for this channel
karmic temple
@mighty stump
feral viper
idk why is such a big deal i js wanna know if anyone has a shiny sewaddle
karmic temple
We don’t
tough idol
whos tofu
The staff member that told you to go trading channel The first time, you've ignored them
bold geode
Because this isn't a trading channel
rustic mountain
^
feral viper
wut staff member
bold geode
To trade, go to the respective channels
karmic temple
Obtuse
feral viper
whos the staff member
rustic mountain
anyway, yall enjoying knoxville
bold geode
bold geode
anyway, yall enjoying knoxville
Yes 
feral viper
id actually like to speak to a staff member
rustic mountain
some pretty good sets
feral viper
they gotta make the slow mode less time
rustic mountain
seeing len win 
tough idol
anyway, yall enjoying knoxville
I am actually, nice change of pace watching a Regional again, Instead of playing
bold geode
They won't lmao
feral viper
anyone have a shiny sewaddle?