competitive_discussion

[willow vault]

I do 236hp and 92spd for amoongus with rh and 180defence with relaxed nature, that should be a reasonable starting point

[karmic temple]

You get more value out of av that way

[willow vault]

This should work

[brazen bough]

i run max max tbh

[willow vault]

Oh you meant hands

[brazen bough]

i like getting as much defensive bulk out of amogus as possible

[willow vault]

Which defence don’t you invest in?

[brazen bough]

spd

well i mean i invest the 4

[timber falcon]

I’m more interested in hitting like a truck

[brazen bough]

but you can run what you are doing

[willow vault]

I run the hp to max then raise defence with a defence boosting nature till I hit the bump giving the most value from my evs

[next stump]

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[willow vault]

Not me

[karmic temple]

So yeah it’ll live two moonblasts from flutter but just hope it doesn’t get doubled into

[willow vault]

Also it doesn’t need max attack to kill flutter with heavy slam if adamant (which is like every set)

[polar canyon]

What role does metagross have in teams?

I wonder what bipedal metagross would look like

[karmic temple]

Mostly seem then as either choice band or av

[polar canyon]

Yeah but like

What is it expected to do

[misty helm]

What’s a good way to use porygon-z

[tired sage]

stellar tera adaptability is what i’ve seen so far

[misty helm]

Does it have the bulk to take at least one hit so it can set up agility

[misty helm]

Doesn’t stellar tera not work with adaptability

[tired sage]

it boosts any type move, and adaptability is same type right?

idk that’s what i’ve seen

[dapper crag]

I think I have a rough team in mind. Decent speed on Enamorus is pretty bleh and sadly, no easy way to check or get another one which might have even better speed which I'm not wanting

[tired sage]

you can check IVs with an IV calculator

using the stat numbers (given that you haven’t put an EVs into it yet)

[dapper crag]

I know. The issue is that it's Decent and not No Good

[tired sage]

so you can find the exact number

[dapper crag]

Of course, no way to tell in PLA

[tired sage]

use the stat totals

and plug them into a calculator then it should tell you exactly how many IVs are on that thing

[misty helm]

Does an agility sweeper sound like it would work for porygon-z

[dapper crag]

Point is kinda mute at this time anyway. Only way to get another shot is to redo all of PLA basically and I... am not wanting to even think of doing that

Alas hand might be forced for Enamorus

Pokémon No. 474: Porygon-Z

Type

Normal

Abilities

Adaptability, Download, Analytic (Hidden)

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

85/80/70/135/75/90

Total

535

SableyeBot version 4.25.1

[tired sage]

uh… right investments in bulk sure…

[tired sage]

if you say so…
if it’s 5> speed than it’s good enough

[dapper crag]

14-15 IV in Speed which is pretty bad

And again, no way to tell in PLA itself since it's a whole different calculator (197 speed there with 0 grit)

[polar canyon]

Yeah there's an issue with it

You know how when you tera a pokemon to a different type, adaptability stops boosting the original stab moves and only boosts the new stab?

[tired sage]

ohhh trueee

[polar canyon]

Tera type adaptability only boosts tera blast

And stops boosting normal

It also doesn't let protean work

[tired sage]

well ofc it doesn’t-
it would be stupid broken if it did

even with the nerf

[polar canyon]

I don't think it would be game breaking

Not more than stuff like urshifu and mane just existing

[tired sage]

being able to shift types after you tera-???

you overwrite tera

[polar canyon]

At least with stellar tera

[tired sage]

oh stellar

stellar sucks ass-
although the crown is cute

[polar canyon]

It's nice on a few very specific pokemon

Like chien pao

And probably something else

[dapper crag]

Stellar works well on Serperior and normal Enamorus when they have contrary no?

[rustic mountain]

dark shifu

[tired sage]

ghost tera all the way.
especially cause i’m always life orbed

[polar canyon]

Cant it just be dark

[rustic mountain]

it can

im jus mentioning another mon stellar tera can and has been used on

[tired sage]

dark is better imo cause you shed the 4x weakness to fairy

[rustic mountain]

ghost for pao is still viable too

[polar canyon]

Never stopped being viable

[rustic mountain]

stellar is jus an option and ppl have seen success w/ it

[polar canyon]

It's just that now there's another option

[rustic mountain]

yep

[tired sage]

mhm that’s fair

[polar canyon]

I really like picking up extra ohkos with sucker punch

[rustic mountain]

overall stellar is pretty mid as a tera type tho

[bold geode]

Except for Chien Pao

[rustic mountain]

yea

we mentioned that already

[polar canyon]

I want to find some other pokemon that is good with stellar

Surely it can't be just chien and enamorus

[tired sage]

i’ve seen seeperior with stellar

[bold geode]

Oh you mentioned it good

[rustic mountain]

[polar canyon]

In what type of context do you use the worry frog bee emoji

[bold geode]

[rustic mountain]

in the context of now

[tired sage]

[polar canyon]

🐸

[bold geode]

[rustic mountain]

did yall sign up for the gc yet

[bold geode]

Yes

[tired sage]

yeah…

[rustic mountain]

gna b such a clown fiesta

[tired sage]

i’m gonna 100% lose

no good hp dengo

[bold geode]

Just did
I realized my team doesn't have a clear answer for Wolfe's team, realized it's gonna be everywhere, and went fuck it we ball

[rustic mountain]

i mean it isnt really like a lose kinda competition, u can place high and still get cp also y no good hp dengo

[polar canyon]

Do you get anything for just participating

[tired sage]

my gf did the same mistake too

IT WAS A MISTAKE

[rustic mountain]

eh as long as it isnt 100% autoloss ur prolly good, they likely rnt gna play it like wolfey or antonio

[rustic mountain]

nothing great

lp nd something else iirc

[polar canyon]

I'm not really worried about qualifying to worlds atm lol

[tired sage]

the shiny galar birds were rewards for swsh right…?

[polar canyon]

I'm not at worlds level skill

[bold geode]

It's all good
Things to beat

1. Wolfe's team
2. My fucking horrid Sacred Fire luck

I can't flip the coin on the burns worth a shit

[rustic mountain]

haha

[polar canyon]

Clearly instead of not burning with sacred fire you should be missing wisp instead

[tired sage]

just-
use rainbow pledge-
100% guaranteed burn

[polar canyon]

Skill swap serene grace

[rustic mountain]

dude i have had so many games w/ entei where ive gotten 3-4 chances to burn the dozo and it never happens, then ill burn like 2/3 flutters

[bold geode]

Not if the burns are on me

[rustic mountain]

wen i was playing the alex team

[tired sage]

o nvm then

[bold geode]

I swear every Sacred Fire that goes into me fucking burns

[rustic mountain]

hahahaha

[polar canyon]

Burning 2-3 flutters per game is crazy

[rustic mountain]

hahahaa

jus built different

[tired sage]

imagine missing status moves like wisp and thunder wave

[rustic mountain]

cybertron worlds moment

[polar canyon]

Real ones use wide lens duh

Zoom lens

[dapper crag]

Item: Zoom Lens

The accuracy of attacks by the holder is 1.2x if it moves after its target.

SableyeBot version 4.25.1

[tired sage]

tf-
no real ones use skill swap no guard

[polar canyon]

Real

Cant miss pump either

[tired sage]

or any ohko move

[polar canyon]

Me omw to worlds with zoom lens iron bundle

[tired sage]

skill swap and then entrainment

[polar canyon]

Gravity for flying types

It's joever

[tired sage]

gravity shocks

[polar canyon]

Fissure shocks, the classic set

[rustic mountain]

me wen i face an espathra sandy shocks team in the gc:

[polar canyon]

Man I love sleep spam

Make a team with 6 spore users

No one is beating the toedscruel + eviolite toedscool combo

[karmic temple]

Too bad the ability makes it go last

[rustic mountain]

weezing w/ scarf toedscruel

[tired sage]

pssst

noot noot exists

[willow vault]

Pingu?

[misty helm]

https://pokepast.es/fbceafa197c30468

Do you think this concept could work

[supple ether]

That's just porygonZ?

Also protect over agility

[misty helm]

It’s worth pointing out that with these stats the defenses and special attack redistribute to 80 on the defense stats and 120 special attack

[dapper crag]

Pokémon No. 474: Porygon-Z

Type

Normal

Abilities

Adaptability, Download, Analytic (Hidden)

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

85/80/70/135/75/90

Total

535

SableyeBot version 4.25.1

[misty helm]

And my idea was to make it a sweeper

[supple ether]

Tera stellar is weird

Especially if not runnig terablast

[misty helm]

Does it not work with adaptability

[supple ether]

Also those EVs appear to be done at level 100, not level 50

[supple ether]

It stacks, sure, but you only get the +50% on triattack. Evrrything else is +20%

And it's only the one time

[misty helm]

Do you think it’s possible to make into a sweeper

[charred saddle]

does adaptability even work with stellar tera with other typing

if not then i dont see much reason to go for stellar, especially ur not running tera blast

[supple ether]

i mean sure, it has the stats to do so. Hard to sweep with single target attacks, harder to sweep with non-SE attacks (triattack doesnt hit anythig for SE)

Ice beam is neat, so it has its niche over other mons

[charred saddle]

and like porygon as sweeper is weird? i mean u can try ig, but not agility. id rather have tailwind support than u set up

[dapper crag]

Porygon-Z's moveset:

Physical Moves

Aerial Ace, Bide, Double-Edge, Facade, Foul Play, Frustration, Giga Impact, Headbutt, Iron Tail, Last Resort, Natural Gift, Rage, Return, Secret Power, Skull Bash, Tackle, Take Down, Thief, Zen Headbutt

Special Moves

Blizzard, Charge Beam, Dark Pulse, Discharge, Dream Eater, Electroweb, Hidden Power, Hyper Beam, Ice Beam, Icy Wind, Psybeam, Psychic, Psyshock, Psywave, Round, Shadow Ball, Shock Wave, Signal Beam, Snore, Solar Beam, Swift, Tera Blast, Thunder, Thunder Shock, Thunderbolt, Tri Attack, Uproar, Zap Cannon

Status Moves

Agility, Ally Switch, Barrier, Charge, Confide, Conversion, Conversion 2, Curse, Defense Curl, Double Team, Eerie Impulse, Embargo, Endure, Flash, Gravity, Guard Swap, Lock-On, Magic Coat, Magnet Rise, Mimic, Nasty Plot, Nightmare, Pain Split, Power Swap, Protect, Psych Up, Rain Dance, Recover, Recycle, Reflect, Rest, Sharpen, Sleep Talk, Speed Swap, Substitute, Sunny Day, Swagger, Telekinesis, Teleport, Thunder Wave, Toxic, Trick, Trick Room, Wonder Room

Notes

A move displayed with Bold text benefits from Same-Type Attack Bonus when used by Porygon-Z.

SableyeBot version 4.25.1

[misty helm]

I’m a singles player

[charred saddle]

oh idk about that then, i dont play singles

haha

[willow vault]

Almost no one here plays singles

[supple ether]

It should, 2.25 damage compared to 2.0

[supple ether]

Ohhh that would explain a lot

[charred saddle]

with other typing?

ik adaptability follows stab

as in porygon (normal) stellar tera, used tbolt

[supple ether]

So stab+adapt = 2.0
Stab+tera+adapt = 2.25 (idk why it stacks weirdly)

[charred saddle]

does tbolt becomes 2.25

other typing.

[supple ether]

i actially dont know; bulbapedia is down for maintenance atm

[misty helm]

Would you say tera normal to make tri attack into 3x damage normal nuke

[supple ether]

Im not sure if it stacks that way but it could be interesying

Lemme run some calcs rq

[charred saddle]

[supple ether]

Yeah, adaptability tera stab = 2.25

[misty helm]

Also what in the current meta would be able to one shot 85 80 80 hp defense and special defense at neutral

[supple ether]

136 SpA Adaptability Tera-Normal Porygon-Z Tri Attack vs. 100 HP / 4 SpD Tera-Fairy Flutter Mane: 76-90 (53.1 - 62.9%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

136 SpA Adaptability Tera-Normal Porygon-Z Tri Attack vs. 4 HP / 0 SpD Urshifu-Rapid Strike: 146-173 (82.9 - 98.2%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

136 SpA Adaptability Tera-Normal Porygon-Z Tri Attack vs. 252 HP / 68 SpD Assault Vest Archaludon: 41-49 (20.8 - 24.8%) -- guaranteed 5HKO

136 SpA Adaptability Tera-Normal Porygon-Z Tri Attack vs. 252 HP / 124 SpD Assault Vest Rillaboom: 76-90 (36.7 - 43.4%) -- 99.3% chance to 3HKO after Grassy Terrain recovery

136 SpA Adaptability Tera-Normal Porygon-Z Tri Attack vs. 4 HP / 0 SpD Tornadus: 117-139 (75.4 - 89.6%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

With the exception of landorus, youre unfortunately not killing anything with poryZ

[supple ether]

Everything above can ohko you in return (and most outspeed)

[misty helm]

Okay so even with the defense investment I did it still gets one shot

[supple ether]

From what I can see yeah; though maybe different spreads are more common in singles

Could consider running nasty plot and, hmm, like sticky web hazards

But 90base speed is still a rough speed tier

[silver ravine]

How is ivy cudgul able to ignore rage powder?

[charred saddle]

252+ SpA Porygon-Z Tri Attack vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Blissey: 60-72 (18.1 - 21.8%) -- possible 5HKO ------- 252+ SpA Porygon-Z Thunderbolt vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Blissey: 45-54 (13.6 - 16.3%) -- possible 7HKO

252+ SpA Adaptability Porygon-Z Tri Attack vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Blissey: 80-96 (24.2 - 29%) -- 99.5% chance to 4HKO ----------- 252+ SpA Porygon-Z Thunderbolt vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Blissey: 45-54 (13.6 - 16.3%) -- possible 7HKO

252+ SpA Adaptability Tera-Normal Porygon-Z Tri Attack vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Blissey: 90-108 (27.2 - 32.7%) -- guaranteed 4HKO

252+ SpA Tera-Stellar Porygon-Z Tri Attack (1st Use) vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Blissey: 80-96 (24.2 - 29%) -- 99.5% chance to 4HKO ----------- 252+ SpA Tera-Stellar Porygon-Z Thunderbolt (1st Use) vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Blissey: 54-65 (16.3 - 19.6%) -- possible 6HKO

252+ SpA Tera-Stellar Porygon-Z Tri Attack (1st Use) vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Blissey: 80-96 (24.2 - 29%) -- 99.5% chance to 4HKO

there. all the calcs

[supple ether]

Grass types ignore spore-type moves (sleep powder, spore, rage powder, etc)

[charred saddle]

stellar tera doesnt stack with adaptability

[silver ravine]

https://tenor.com/view/big-brain-gif-25037715

[misty helm]

Okay so instead of agility you’re saying set up sticky web

[supple ether]

Safety goggles will let you do the same thing

[supple ether]

I dont play singles, but I assume that would help

1.5x speed boost for you (the equivalent of at least)

[charred saddle]

as an addition info, its not the move that allows them to ignore rage powder. but the typing itself

and so if the ogerpon teras, they will get rage powdered\

[timber falcon]

https://pokepast.es/6c8ea05a8551eb88 thoughts on team?

[supple ether]

Stomping tantrum over eq; aerial ace (or whatever the 75bp flying move is called) s typically preferred, especially since you alr have spinner

[misty helm]

Singles are very hyper offensive sets typically though I’m sure it could function as a wall breaker

[charred saddle]

idk if specs and icy wind works fine or not, but usually icy wind flutters are either speed booster mane with crazy bulk or max max with sash

to play around as being faster than the opposing and speed control

with specs u want damage, and so u can run like power gem

[supple ether]

Maybe tbolt over icy wind

[charred saddle]

or bolt, ur preferance

[supple ether]

Otherwise seems like a pretty standard set/team

[charred saddle]

and rather than crunch, u kinda want snarl

to play around with the current meta of psyspams / even like BM ursalunas

but then entei AV isnt the best, especially ur forced to tera in front of bm

[supple ether]

Snarl goes hard this format

[charred saddle]

and honestly watershifu is kinda in a weird spot, its still good. but theres so much stuff that isnt dying to surging now

[misty helm]

Do you think I can make Hal work with enough dedication

And potentially study

[supple ether]

I think so!

[charred saddle]

farigirafs, bm normal tera, incin sitrus --> like these 3 are so prevalent. but can tank SS

so idk, how i feel about watershifu now

i mean its still strong with rain dance torn, but once TR is up and BM is in theres nothing watershifu can do

[supple ether]

Wurshiru got washed i imagine it's gonna stay washed through restricted format

[charred saddle]

i mean its quite the same spot for dark tho, but most darkshifu i met was sashed and CC

[supple ether]

The death of the king

[timber falcon]

oki doki

[timber falcon]

might try that

[charred saddle]

but nonetheless its still a common set team, so it wont be that bad

[supple ether]

I want urshiru to be rogue at best

Get his ass out of my meta

[grizzled bronze]

i dont think watershifu is washed, it won like two regionals

[supple ether]

Give it another 2

[charred saddle]

wont say its washed, its still very good. but the meta are most stuff than can play around urshifus, darkshifu can play around better as its dark so it works as psyspam deterant, and its most likely sashed now, and wicked blow threatens farigiraf to tera.

and so if u are playing fari bm, just the sight of darkshifu is quite annoying, CC to BM, wicked ohko to fari

and so, darkshifu is everywhere now, and thats also the reason fairy ttera/ fairy typing is nice now

theres also a set of a bulky farigiraf with fairy tera and goggles

[grizzled bronze]

maybe it'll win again in knoxville, who knows

[mighty stump]

Watershifu washed

oofies oof ouchies

[charred saddle]

surging does feel less impactful now, but still annoying to see

[supple ether]

watch it happen, that's all Im sayin

[charred saddle]

btw im also tempted to do like

wicked, CC , poison jab detect on shifu and poison tera

[autumn kelp]

good afternoon ppl

[charred saddle]

since most girrafes are fairy tera for darkshifu anywayt

[supple ether]

Aye I ran that in testing before

It's pretty alright

[charred saddle]

now the problem is, will it even ohko the girrafe or its a roll

if its a roll then its quite unreliable

[mighty stump]

Well you have to play the double up

[charred saddle]

252+ Atk Tera-Poison Urshifu-Single Strike Poison Jab vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Tera-Fairy Farigiraf: 134-162 (59 - 71.3%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

[mighty stump]

If you hvae figure out the double up then itsa fine

[charred saddle]

hmm

true ig

[mighty stump]

If you can do a total of 125% damage to Farigiraf then you most likely win out all the time

Cause of Sitrus

[charred saddle]

252+ Atk Tera-Poison Urshifu-Single Strike Poison Jab vs. 4 HP / 252 Def Tera-Fairy Farigiraf: 150-176 (76.5 - 89.7%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

still lacks

why is this girrafe so tanky

[mighty stump]

Banded Poison though

[charred saddle]

but then u explode to any special moves

[mighty stump]

you already do anw wtf

[charred saddle]

i mean if ur sashed u can live 1

252+ Atk Choice Band Tera-Poison Urshifu-Single Strike Poison Jab vs. 4 HP / 252 Def Tera-Fairy Farigiraf: 222-264 (113.2 - 134.6%) -- guaranteed OHKO
252+ Atk Choice Band Urshifu-Single Strike Poison Jab vs. 4 HP / 252 Def Tera-Fairy Farigiraf: 148-176 (75.5 - 89.7%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

but ig worth the tradeoff if we ohkoed the girrafe tho

ill try them around soon

[chrome knot]

@mighty stump see tofu im back from prep and it was exactly what i needed

[mighty stump]

Wat did u need

Oh Tang

Yea

[chrome knot]

yes

[mighty stump]

Good sesh?

[dull ibex]

Hello

[bold geode]

Bye

I just got in here lmao

[nocturne holly]

I haven’t played vgc in like 3 weeks

damn

[bold geode]

https://tenor.com/view/the-simpsons-bart-simpson-grampa-simpson-old-man-going-in-gif-17818438

[chrome knot]

yessss

[molten oasis]

Hey when is GC live?

[fallen garden]

https://pokepast.es/0079c03a99490617 threw this together, I think trying sun would be fun for GC. thoughts?

[next stump]

2 hours 7 mins

[molten oasis]

Thx

[fallen garden]

i haven't chosen teras yet

[tired sage]

aqua jet wake and a limp noodle slappy flutter…

[fallen garden]

Aqua jet is to clear up if there's a sash

Not clicking it 99% of the time

I don't usually use flutter so i'm not sure how to best build it. I know a lot of people go bulky

But maybe I just commit to specs gleam?

[supple ether]

Nerdofnow vgc damage calc has some stock builds

Flutter isnt bulky enough to use sitrus

Maybe gleam, lifeorb, or pixieplate

Pikalytics has good info on what moves, partners, and items flutter usually holds

[tired sage]

flutter is hitting like a wet noodle with a sitrus

also glide will do aqua jet’s job

and you should consider sucker punch on shifu

[fallen garden]

over poison jab?

[silver ravine]

Thoughts? Feelings? Concerns? https://pokepast.es/6a4db69e3f7df6f9

[tired sage]

mhm

[brazen bough]

what tera does terrakion run

[supple ether]

You are hard TR but only have 1 TR setter (put TR on sinistcha). Unless you built the team specifically for quaquaval, get him out of there.

[supple ether]

It runs the bench tera and sits on it . But probably a defensive typing (poison, flying) or a ghost tera to avoid flinches

[tired sage]

ghost grass

def not poison cause it’s still weak to ground

[tired sage]

quaquaval can work. you just gotta add a little more effort to make it work

[supple ether]

Less ground this format compared to fairy/fire/ice

[tired sage]

sheer force life orb lando with base 130 sandsear says hello

[silver ravine]

I like the idea of a budget urshi. Though swapping it out for Primarina gives me a water and fairy

[tired sage]

unfortunately a budget urshifu will never exist…

[supple ether]

Ive only seen like 10% maybe of teams running lando. Less actually bring it

Pemme see usage rates

Oh nah it's still on 26% of teams

weird

[tired sage]

haha…

it fits a puzzle with archaludon rain teams

[normal yoke]

hey guys i am doing a changlle with 2 pokemon i need to know is dragon storng on dark i need to tera my chien po isnce he is my only pokemon left

[mighty stump]

https://x.com/ddyarados/status/1753156250370744610?s=46&t=NSIK9f9OViHUJnm37QZcEQ

Shane "single source of truth living doc" Gaffney (@DDyarados) on X

ahead of this weekend's global (mental health) challenge, here is a list of some of the mons that learn explosion:

Twitter · Feb 1, 2024, 8:39 PM

[karmic temple]

Man these vgc creators are kinda… yikes. Selling guides to teams then claiming the credit is (almost entirely) solely them and using the person as promotion

[mighty stump]

Did I miss something?

[karmic temple]

Are we really that likely to see so much explosion ??

[mighty stump]

Its the GC

I’ve seen Mono-OHKO moves

[karmic temple]

Wolfey for liverpool and bradysmith

[mighty stump]

But that was Wolfe’s team though

Like through and through from his Patreon

So it kinda makes sense

I’d claim credit if my exact team won a consecutive regional too

With Brady, at least some of the information he pours out is also completely free

If I could monetise my advice I would

[karmic temple]

it just rubs me the wrong way but that’s probably a me thing

[karmic temple]

Me bringing damp ability pokemon (swampert save me)

[molten oasis]

What is this?

[real prairie]

🤮

[next stump]

Good luck in the GC everyone 🙂

[autumn kelp]

gl and hf

[brazen bough]

U too

[bold geode]

Good luck to GC people

[chrome knot]

unfortunate wolfe W

if i knew one of my students won using my team id be over the moon boasting about it

[fallen garden]

are people out here really running effect spore amoongus

[fallen garden]

I took your advice btw. first match ended with my walking wake against a focus sash urshifu and I didn't have aqua jet onboard to deal with it

[mighty stump]

Who runs Aqua Jet on Walking Wake

[fallen garden]

not me apparently

[mighty stump]

But like

[bold geode]

Yeah why

[mighty stump]

You naturally outspeed Urshifu

?

[fallen garden]

mine didn't

[molten oasis]

That scarf shifu is really scary

[fallen garden]

max speed btw

[molten oasis]

Then it’s scarf

[mighty stump]

Then it wasn’t sash’d?

[fallen garden]

oh wait, there was a bleakwind speed drop

just remembered that

[mighty stump]

Then having aqua jet didnt matter anyways cause Sucker would have killed you anyways

?

[fallen garden]

he didn't click sucker, he clicked wicked blow

must not've been running it

point being that I ran into the one niche situation where I needed it during game 1

[mighty stump]

What are you sacrificing for Aqua Jet lol

[fallen garden]

snarl

[mighty stump]

You definitely do not need Aqua Jet

Wtf

[fallen garden]

the only moves i click on it are hydro steam and flamethrower anyway

[mighty stump]

Draco?????

[summer shore]

Too weak duh

[fallen garden]

i've been burned too many times by that 90 percent accuracy

I do have dragon pulse tho

i realize the damage output isn't good but I much prefer the consistency

what's the usual fourth move for wake

[mighty stump]

Protect

[autumn kelp]

just played that disgusting thing

[fallen garden]

oh I'm running assault vest on wake

[summer shore]

Getting a kill 90% of the time > not getting a kill 100% of the time

Accuracy arguments are normally stupid

[mighty stump]

Y tho, Wake has miserable enough bulk, id rather make use of Speed/Sun/LO and nuke things

[fallen garden]

who can say

[mighty stump]

Literally everyone objectively

[fallen garden]

it doesn't really matter at this point, team is locked in

if it sucks then it sucks and I learn a valuable life lesson

thank you for the feedback

[dull ibex]

good luck

[dull ibex]

ima be real I did not consider this

[tired sage]

okay but do you trust me or the comp helpers-?

[fallen garden]

you're the only one who answered me when i asked lol

[mighty stump]

Really? Theres a reason people run Draco all the time

[atomic mural]

https://pokepast.es/13549f06acd0d8ea is this good

[dull ibex]

the answer should be the comp helpers

[dull ibex]

No I meant when getting mad at accuracy

[mighty stump]

Or other inaccurate moves

[dull ibex]

I never considered that perspective

btw I have been gimped by indigo disk again LMAO

[bold geode]

@summer shore

[mighty stump]

The value is justified over perceived consistency when theres greater impact on your turns/flow

[dull ibex]

yeah

[bold geode]

2-0 rn
Teams do be wack
Rocky Helmet Dnite lmao

[dull ibex]

fair

I realized meteor beam is dlc

and dlc 2 has a wild grass tera glimm

the consequences of being a broke boy lmao

[mighty stump]

I won my match but it didnt give me a win wut

lmao

[dull ibex]

it do be like that

[bold geode]

Bro I hate when I'm doing cart ladder and it does that

[fallen garden]

you should've tried winning by a greater margin

[dull ibex]

hayato is onto something

[bold geode]

Yeah 4-0 em next time
Fight back

[mighty stump]

Meh

I did 4-0 em

Lol

[dull ibex]

skill issue

[bold geode]

Put your fist through the screen and punch the opposing player

[dull ibex]

10 top rarest moments in pokecord, monke being funny

[mighty stump]

Time to scratch off the Bingo card

Wolfe’s team

[dull ibex]

dude i love the idea you lose a cart match and deck your opponent

[bold geode]

Lmao
You got that pulled up?

[bold geode]

It's like those memes where things just like break the screen and reach their hand out at you

[dull ibex]

ye

back to trade channels i go 🫡

[summer shore]

💀

Why would you ever run low acc moves if not the case

[summer shore]

Schmeep

[bold geode]

You schmeep?

It time to cleep?

[fallen garden]

i think some people run low acc moves just for the thrill of gambling

[dull ibex]

No like I know they have value

your perspective makes missing feel less bad

[fallen garden]

there's no other excuse for magma storm heatran

[elder root]

How to make Kommo good

[supple ether]

https://tenor.com/view/5gum-gif-21129450

[karmic temple]

Oh did gc start

Ima give it til tomorrow to play 🤭 lemme wait for the 80% gxe people to go up in rank first

[mighty stump]

Trapping is positionally superior

[mighty stump]

Another game, another 4-0

Lmao

[karmic temple]

Lmao

My worst fear getting u in game

[mighty stump]

That’s what happened to @bold geode

[karmic temple]

Since “psyspam free win”

LMFAO

[mighty stump]

Psyspam IS A FREE WIN MASHALLAH

[bold geode]

How bout you Sloppenheimer bitch

[mighty stump]

Quintessential type team, gotta pray you crit or you’re definitely losing

[whole ibex]

thoughts on Bax and Dragapult? I'm taking a break from using Hydrapple and I wanna use other mons. Been thinking about using a Bax, a Pult or Dozo team

[mighty stump]

I’m not letting you live that down

[mighty stump]

There’s Rain Archa + Bax, Dozo is everywhere, Pult exists

[bold geode]

Plz sir
I have a family

[whole ibex]

Pult's not that good I take it?

[bold geode]

@mighty stump how long does Focus Energy last?

[mighty stump]

Til you switch

[mighty stump]

Maybe support Pult? I like the idea of clicking Wisp lol

Wisp/Phantom Force/DDarts

[bold geode]

Didn't matter, Gouging eats those

[dapper crag]

Gouging Fire's moveset:

Physical Moves

Bite, Body Slam, Breaking Swipe, Bulldoze, Crunch, Crush Claw, Double Kick, Double-Edge, Dragon Claw, Dragon Rush, Dragon Tail, Earthquake, Facade, Fire Fang, Flame Charge, Flare Blitz, Giga Impact, Heat Crash, Iron Head, Outrage, Psychic Fangs, Raging Fury, Reversal, Scale Shot, Smart Strike, Stomp, Stomping Tantrum, Stone Edge, Take Down, Temper Flare, Thunder Fang

Special Moves

Ancient Power, Draco Meteor, Dragon Pulse, Fire Blast, Fire Spin, Flamethrower, Heat Wave, Hyper Beam, Incinerate, Lava Plume, Overheat, Scorching Sands, Snarl, Tera Blast, Weather Ball

Status Moves

Burning Bulwark, Dragon Cheer, Dragon Dance, Endure, Howl, Leer, Morning Sun, Noble Roar, Protect, Rest, Roar, Scary Face, Sleep Talk, Substitute, Sunny Day

Notes

A move displayed with Bold text benefits from Same-Type Attack Bonus when used by Gouging Fire.

SableyeBot version 4.25.1

[supple ether]

Thoughts on dragon tail GF?

Seems meta specific, but interesting

[fallen garden]

i would love a dragon tail girlfriend personally

[bold geode]

No

[supple ether]

Yes

[bold geode]

No

[karmic temple]

Isn’t dragon tail -4 priority

[mighty stump]

Dragon Tail is pretty decent on say somethjng like Stalwart Archaludon

I ran it on Gyarados a while back as well

Since you can force phasing to prevent TR

[boreal mauve]

Dragon Tail

Base Power:

60

G-max Power:

110

Accuracy:

90

Category

Physical

Type:

Dragon

Power Points (PP)

10

Priority:

-6

In-Game Desciption:

The target is knocked away, and a different Pokémon
is dragged out. In the wild, this ends a battle against
a single Pokémon.

Technical Description:

Inflicts regular damage, then switches the target out for another of its trainer's Pokémon, selected at random.

If the target is under the effect of ingrain or suction cups, or it has a substitute, or its Trainer has no more usable Pokémon, it will not be switched out. If the target is a wild Pokémon, the battle ends instead.

Other Properties:

Makes Contact
Affected by Protect
Not affected by Magic Coat
Not affected by Snatch
Affected by Mirror Move
Affected by King's Rock

Provided by Nexus-Z

[karmic temple]

-6 pog

[supple ether]

Phasing?

[mighty stump]

Force a switch

Its called phasing

[bold geode]

It has negative priority?

[supple ether]

[bold geode]

It's just a phase Mom - Dragon Tail Gyarados

[mighty stump]

So something like support Duraludon/Archaludon can also potentially run that

If you want a unique option

Imo, it would be better for only Dura since Archa is superior with Stamina

[mighty stump]

Be funnier

[bold geode]

Oh c'mon
Gimme some credit

[supple ether]

Interesting, its one of those moves I always consider but never use

[mighty stump]

Roar/Whirlwind also works the same

Except they get to bypass Protect

[supple ether]

THEY DO?

[mighty stump]

Lame

[supple ether]

Oh dragon tail is ass then wtf

[bold geode]

C'mon Tofu
What you running again?

[supple ether]

Well, its on different mons so it has that at least

Focus sash too I suppose

[mighty stump]

Wdym

You know what im running

?

I just haven’t revealed it here

[bold geode]

Is it the monkey flower?

[mighty stump]

Lol

Yea

[bold geode]

Fuck yeah baby

[mighty stump]

While you all suffer in the GC

Ill be cooking curry

[bold geode]

I'm finna play Fortnite with cousin sadly

Fucking hate that game

[balmy glen]

I’m cooking ! (I forgot to change the Tera’s on all my mons before I signed up)

[rustic mountain]

hows the gc goin yall

[mighty stump]

4-0’d all my games so far

but im only@playing a few

[rustic mountain]

same 🤝

[mighty stump]

then ill play the rest later

[rustic mountain]

yea im gna stop for now haha im like rank 96

[mighty stump]

Not 69

Uncommon Tree L

[rustic mountain]

face anything wacky yet

[mighty stump]

nope

pretty standard

[rustic mountain]

one dude had a latios and iron boulder but they didnt even bring them

otherwise same for me

already faced a dozo team lol

[mighty stump]

lol

[charred saddle]

only 2 game, no one is in the game rn

[dapper crag]

Pokémon No. 764: Comfey

Type

Fairy

Abilities

Flower Veil, Triage, Natural Cure (Hidden)

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

51/52/90/82/110/100

Total

485

SableyeBot version 4.25.1

Ability: Triage

This Pokemon's healing moves have their priority increased by 3.

SableyeBot version 4.25.1

[next stump]

my mental health LOL

[charred saddle]

oh dayum

[mighty stump]

What possessed you to play thirteen games already

[next stump]

I lost 30 rating from a loss to throat chop incin into my ursaluna

[brazen bough]

Ive played against at least 5 amuk teams

Most if it has been amuk psyspam and dozogiri

I mean i didnt really expect to do good anyways

[mighty stump]

im like half your games, with 20 points behind you

Lmaoo

[bold geode]

@mighty stump lemme in

[brazen bough]

Looks like im gonna need the day 2

[next stump]

my ultimate goal is 1750

im very happy with 1700

[brazen bough]

Isnt 1600 around enough for cp

Thats all im going for

[next stump]

yeah, that should be like 5-10CP

[brazen bough]

I might actually drop

5 paralyzes in a row

[next stump]

these are supposedly more accurate results from last year

only TPCI region players

[summer shore]

Let him cook

[lethal zinc]

Monthly shiro appearance.

[summer shore]

LMAO

I'm constantly lurking every now and then

Just been more busy than usual past 2-3 weeks

[azure ether]

is Tera Grass + Safety Goggles redundant?

[bold geode]

Depends on what Grass Tera is for
If you're wanting to live a hit that you otherwise wouldn't, then it could work
But otherwise as far as Amoongus goes, yeah it would be

[mighty stump]

Its still useful as a switch in if you don't want to blow Tera.

[balmy glen]

ill prob drop around 1600 too since i have no teras on my team

[real prairie]

Stamina or Stalwart ?

[dapper crag]

Does After You go first or Follow Me?

[real prairie]

after you has no priority, its based on speed

[dapper crag]

Lili + koal

[dapper crag]

does after you get redirected onto the follow me user then?

[mighty stump]

Stamina

[mighty stump]

It does.

[dapper crag]

I see thank you Tofu

[balmy glen]

do u guys think top 500 with no good teras cuz i forgot to do them is solid

ill prob have to grind out hard tomorrow so rip

[charred saddle]

all i can say is try ig hahah

[real prairie]

Just played someone that was a direct counter to my anti psyspam.... my Thunderus Electric Terrain + Rising Voltage R.Bolt vs their Indeedee + Iron Crown

they Tera ground their Crown and psychic Terrain with their Speed invested Indeedee

like wtf is that

who runs P.Terrain on Indeedee

[next stump]

wait hahaha they had the actual move

[real prairie]

YES

like wtf

along with its terrain ability

[balmy glen]

Forget skill swap just set ur own terrain

ggez tbh

[real prairie]

yep, i was deadlocked

[next stump]

GLHF to everyone in knoxville this weekend

go to soccer taco for me, i miss that place

[dull ibex]

i am here

@mighty stump when you're around we should vc

[chrome knot]

thanksies

[gentle crag]

setsumizi has given 1 Gen Rep to mlbd

[gentle delta]

Manual terrain has always been fine on tr

[real prairie]

manual Terrain + Psychic surge + Speed invested Indeedee is normal?

[charred saddle]

currently 8-2

lost to a chuppadozo ass + ludon and i have nothing

[lofty tartan]

Accidentally submitted a defense boosting Gouging Fire in my GC team and am winning with it

[lofty tartan]

Yeah you ever hear of failing upwards?

That's me.

The only way that my Fire survived a High Horsepower from Excadrill was because of the defense boost

Even speed boosting, Fire would've never caught up to that Excadrill. After Sand Rush there was a 50 speed difference

But it's so mortifying throwing out my Gouging Fire, booster energy proccing and the defense boost happening.

[next stump]

LOL

[real prairie]

element of surprise will catch a lot of people off in a round 1 situation

[lofty tartan]

YEAH DILLON

[real prairie]

best of 3 i think you might be struggling with that def boost lol

[lofty tartan]

I make that gengar face every time he comes out D:

Yeah defense boosting really effs up my turn orders.

I can no longer Howl before Chien-Pao's turn

[real prairie]

and this is what your opponent does

[lofty tartan]

I mean the defense boost makes him super chonky.

And Heat Crash is gonna KO the targets I need it to regardless.

[lofty tartan]

Yes

This is my Gouging Fire.

I'm a bad trainer and should put him on a diet.

[real prairie]

feed him some Qualot berries, he will be right as rain

[lofty tartan]

I did that already 😐

[real prairie]

LOL so how on earth is it DEF boosted 🤣

[lofty tartan]

Nature

[real prairie]

must be a tight spread

[lofty tartan]

It's Relaxed

Speed negative, defense positive

[real prairie]

im sure it is the fat bugger

[lofty tartan]

Basically if it was anything other than a speed negative nature he'd still be speed boosting.

[real prairie]

whats the EV spread?

[karmic temple]

Namaste

[lofty tartan]

But as it was speed negative and defense positive, it dropped speed just enough and raised defense over a threshold.

Gouging Fire
Ability: Protosynthesis
Level: 50
Tera Type: Fire
EVs: 252 HP / 4 Atk / 4 Def / 44 SpD / 204 Spe
Jolly Nature

• Breaking Swipe
• Howl
• Heat Crash
• Burning Bulwark

Nothing fancy.

[real prairie]

whats the calcs for the def boost? might be onto something seeing as its 200+ invested in speed anyway lol

[lofty tartan]

I haven't done any calcs for the incorrect nature. But it puts his speed to 123 and defense to 156

Very rough.

[real prairie]

interesting

side note, why are there so many asian players in the EU servers?

[lofty tartan]

Huh?

Uh. Pretty sure servers aren't region locked.

I play against a lot of Asian folks during night hours.

Time zones.

[real prairie]

Thought they were, thus the point variations between EU/Asia/US qualification

[lofty tartan]

Like I'm playing against a lot of Asian players during GC and I'm in the US

[real prairie]

yeah and they seem still be in Feb 2023 as all im bloody seeing is Donzo spam

[lofty tartan]

Dozo is pretty good BO1

[real prairie]

Someone has come into GC with a eeveelution team

[pseudo wigeon]

I have no one to build with, anyone interested in collaborating?

[timber falcon]

Lmao I messed up my team

For the competition

[real prairie]

im seeing a trend here lol

[timber falcon]

Turns out I did something wrong and smeargle entered the competition with sketch

And ogerpon still has u turn

[real prairie]

🤣

how does that work? will it have sketch for each game?

[timber falcon]

Yes

[real prairie]

ouch! lol

[timber falcon]

Just gonna have to run a no protection smeargle

[real prairie]

might be useful to steal a signature move off mons 🤣

[next stump]

yeah there is no regional matchmaking for the online ladder

it’s global

[timber falcon]

True though, might steal protect or smth

It’s nice seeing unique teams though

Not like on Pokemon showdown where meta is everything

[real prairie]

is there any really strong dark type SpAtk that can run mirror move? lol Mirror move opps psyspam

[timber falcon]

I just run roaring tbh

Gets the job done

[real prairie]

Yeah im already mid build of my team for ladder as i have absolutely ruined my team for GC

[timber falcon]

Gc?

[real prairie]

global challegnge

[timber falcon]

Ah ok

There’s a new one coming alrdy?

[real prairie]

i mean the one presently ongoing 🤣

[molten oasis]

There’s one right now

[real prairie]

im something like 8-6

[molten oasis]

I have not played my matches for the day yet

[real prairie]

every win is a struggle though

[timber falcon]

What does the rating mean?

[real prairie]

there is a table somewhere above in the chat

will explain it

[timber falcon]

Yeah I’m drawing a blank

What table?

[lofty tartan]

This one

[timber falcon]

Ah ok

Also I’ve just seen a trick room flutter and am flabbergasted

[lofty tartan]

It's a thing sometimes

[timber falcon]

OH MY

OH MY GOD

[brazen bough]

im already not making 1600 unfort

unless i have the comeback of the century

[lofty tartan]

Just don't stress it.

[timber falcon]

OGERPON NOT ONLY HAD U TURN

[lofty tartan]

Take breaks - your games roll over

[timber falcon]

BUT SPIKEY SHIELD REPLACED IVY CUDGEL

how do u even progress rating

[lofty tartan]

Win

[timber falcon]

I’ve won 6 lost 1

My rating hasn’t moved

[lofty tartan]

Keep winning - you've done about half of day 1 and there are thousands of players in the event 😄

[timber falcon]

Ah ok, forgot this is world wide

[lofty tartan]

Also may take a little bit to update

As it says in the game

[timber falcon]

Ohhhh that might be it

[next stump]

you’re still 1500?

[timber falcon]

Yep

[next stump]

are you sure you’re playing GC matches and not just the ranked ladder

[karmic temple]

LOL

[timber falcon]

I don’t even think ranked is open

[karmic temple]

it is

[timber falcon]

My trophy rating is going up

Like the No. part is working

But not rating

[next stump]

can you send a picture

[timber falcon]

Ok I’m in a battle rn will send

After

Lost to tatsudozo

I hate them so much

[next stump]

your rating is moving…

unless it just updated

[timber falcon]

It’s moving?

What is the number for?

1559.934?

[lofty tartan]

That's your rating - it determines your rank placement which is 516

[timber falcon]

Ohhhhh

So this is a good tank for now right?

Or do I keep it going

[real prairie]

https://pokepast.es/d38b2f066f88269d

Amoongus or Urshu-W for the final mon?

Fiona and long cat aren't Jolly nature btw, forgot to change them

[timber falcon]

Amoongus I would add

[molten oasis]

How’s y’all’s GC going?

[molten oasis]

I think amoonguss here. Shifu would also be good in place of waterpon if you wanted to do that

[silver ravine]

Any tips on how I could've played better? Prob should've used icy wind instead of muddy water https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2024regf-2050256303-kefciem5zkd2nldmv0oodkv4m9qffwopw

[timber falcon]

neither wouldve worked

im just wondering why u dont run meteor beam glim

[silver ravine]

Forgot all about it. Switched out power gem for it

[near smelt]

Hey was testing this team:
Tinkaton (I'm a sucker I know)
Heartflame
Gyrados
Raging Bolt
Whimsicott
???
What should my last slot be Ting-Lu?

[misty helm]

so does anyone think brick break is too weak even without the drawbacks of close combat

[near smelt]

I would feel like it would be used because of Screens.

But screen doesnt seem prevalent

[misty helm]

so you view close combat bringing about your death quicker as worth it for the power it has

[silver ravine]

Been winning more games than I lost (a first). Any alterations you guys can think of? https://pokepast.es/ce8ea8bd4cac8ae9

[near smelt]

Well it would depend on the speed of your mom I feel like. If you are out speeding everything, will it matter if a feather can blow you down?

Or even something simple like a switch

After close combat

[charred saddle]

if u wanna use meteor beam, use power herb

power gem for sash

[misty helm]

so something like great tusk would be worse to utilize it

[charred saddle]

id say since u have dozo, aerial ace or ice spinner?

[near smelt]

I wouldn't think inherently

[charred saddle]

rest seems fine ig

[bold geode]

[silver ravine]

Is that for me? Thanks for suggesting power herb. Forgot about it

[charred saddle]

🐒

[gentle crag]

striferealists has given 1 Gen Rep to abused1

[misty helm]

do you think that brick break and earthquake are probably better stab than headlong rush and close combat on great tusk

[karmic temple]

75 bp vs 120 bp

Cc can secure kills bb can not

[supple ether]

[karmic temple]

Earthquake is not good in the meta with rillaboom around

[supple ether]

Especially since youll hit yourself

[bold geode]

Yeah sometimes securing KOs is better even with drawbacks
Examples being Tusk running CC and Headlong Rush before
Or things like Bolt or Wake running Draco Meteor

[misty helm]

I'm a singles player remember

[bold geode]

Oh I don't know shit on singles

[supple ether]

[karmic temple]

Securing kills with minor drawbacks is way better than not getting any kills with no drawbacks

[bold geode]

Although
@shi.ro. wake up @summer shore

Idk if they're even asleep or not lmao

[misty helm]

so close combat is far better in basically every instance

[karmic temple]

Yes

The only time I’ve ever seen brick break is on dusclops to proc weakness policy on bm ursa and very early in series 1 when screens were way more prevalent

But that’s from a doubles vgc point idk what yall do in singles

*specifically referring to procing wp

[supple ether]

You could also think of it like: if you 2hko a mon that means they get a turn off, which is, or at least can be, equivalent (if not worse than) dropping your defensive stats one stage

So ohkoing is also preferable in that way

[silver ravine]

Does Dondozo need protect? Thinking of giving it ice fang for Amoongus

[supple ether]

252 Atk Life Orb Dondozo Ice Fang vs. 236 HP / 156+ Def Amoonguss: 81-96 (36.9 - 43.8%) -- 14.6% chance to 3HKO after Sitrus Berry recovery

Eh, doesnt seem worth

Tera grass, safety goggles, or sleep talk are all good alternatives tho

But if youre leftovers, protect is very strong as you basocally recover 1/8 HP every defending turn

[silver ravine]

Yeah and I'm using Wave Crash so leftovers helps. Might just change it to grass tera

[supple ether]

Oh wait my calc is wrong

[supple ether]

+2 100+ Atk Dondozo Ice Fang vs. 236 HP / 156+ Def Amoonguss: 120-142 (54.7 - 64.8%) -- 11.3% chance to 2HKO after Sitrus Berry recovery

+2 252+ Atk Life Orb Dondozo Ice Fang vs. 236 HP / 156+ Def Amoonguss: 177-208 (80.8 - 94.9%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Sitrus Berry recovery

+2 100+ Atk Life Orb Dondozo Order Up vs. 236 HP / 156+ Def Amoonguss: 95-112 (43.3 - 51.1%) -- 1.6% chance to 2HKO after Sitrus Berry recovery
+3 100+ Atk Life Orb Dondozo Order Up vs. 236 HP / 156+ Def Amoonguss: 118-140 (53.8 - 63.9%) -- 6.3% chance to 2HKO after Sitrus Berry recovery

[silver ravine]

Might just need another mon for Amoonguss. Tho apparently Amoonguss isn't used that much anymore

[real prairie]

Cheers, I have Ogre as it's a safe switch in to ludi surf also acts as great recovery

[gentle crag]

oneofakindof has given 1 Gen Rep to drayagedrago

[mighty stump]

if you wanna kill Amoonguss

You’d prefer to just run a Tera + Tera Blast like Tera Blast Fly

[real prairie]

Don't most run tera grass to prevent spore

[silver ravine]

So maybe add that to Dragonite?

[real prairie]

Or tera steel to prevent stat reset

[mighty stump]

They do, but its a toss up

The alternative is to run Sub Dondozo

The difficult thing is that

You almost want all of your moves

Wave Crash to nuke a target

Order Up so you can remain useful

EQ for spread is important

Tera-Fairy so you don’t die to Urshifu Dark

Rocky Helmet to break Sashes on Urshifu

Or Lefties to stall

or Clear Amulet to avoid being Intim cycled

[real prairie]

It's a really good thing dozo can't run Batton pass

[silver ravine]

https://tenor.com/view/taking-notes-gif-23631832

[mighty stump]

Eh, Tera Blast Tera Fly Dnite only really works on like AV/ SetupMultiscale or something and you might get zcycled that way

With Dozo teams you want to run through the first 2 mons of your opponent enough that they don’t have enough resources to deal with Dondozo

[silver ravine]

Luckily his Amoongus was his last mon. Otherwise it could've gone sideways https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2024regf-2050316182

[mighty stump]

Okay, I think Rilla and Incin don’t belong there at all

[silver ravine]

Still most teams don't seem to run it, so I could be stressing for nothing

You prob right. Don't have much use for either besides the cheeky knock off. Tho fake out can help with Oger sometimes

[mighty stump]

You can start off with Chuppa Cross’s Dozo 2-2-2 team

Or other old 2-2-2 variants

PaoNite/ChiFlutter

How’s everyones GC run going

[silver ravine]

Might steal that one then. Thank you

[gentle crag]

striferealists has given 1 Gen Rep to woodtofu

[mighty stump]

https://pokepast.es/5d1fcd69106f197c @silver ravine

[silver ravine]

That's filthy and obsence. Kinda wish I used a better ball for Ogerpon now D:

[karmic temple]

Great so far 😎 0 losses so far

[charred saddle]

8-2

tim gw kalah 2 kali sama dozogiri glimm

tim haram

both team that i lost to are chuppadozo, but no ogerpon, they switched it

but what can i expect, im using a reg E team

and somehow a very slow ass fucking bulky pon

and harc

[mighty stump]

wkwkwk niasu

[bold geode]

Ok I'm sorry but wkwkwk can't be a fuckin word

[mighty stump]

Its not, its how we type "hahaha"

[bold geode]

I was starting to say
Fuckin wkwkwk is like just some sophisticated shit

[mighty stump]

Are you doing GC

[karmic temple]

Wkwkwk is just indo laugh

Like 555 is how cn/jp/sk do it

Or jajaja for latin

[bold geode]

3-1 so far, might do some more after I get home

[tired sage]

5555…?
isn’t it wwwwwww for jp-?

[mighty stump]

555 is also for Thai

[forest arrow]

I have a ping and I haven’t been in comp discussion in two weeks lol I’m not finding that anytime soon lol

[bold geode]

Probably was me tbf babe

[forest arrow]

True you do be pinging

[bold geode]

Oh wait I remember
I said you was my pookie bear

[forest arrow]

Loves u’s babe

lmao pookie

I like it

[bold geode]

I love u too babe

[fallen garden]

bros, it's over
just realized I gave my mon an expert belt instead of a focus sash

[summer shore]

Ping

[karmic temple]

“Welcome to the club” -my fari with throat spray and no sound moves

[tired sage]

pong

[bold geode]

Ping

[real prairie]

Quite fitting I just beat a Wolfe team to progress into MB rank

[mighty stump]

Good job

[elder root]

Hello everyone. Would a razor claw plus dragon cheer on a dragon mean guaranteed crits?

[real prairie]

I'd have thought scope lens > Razor claw but could be wrong

[elder root]

Lemm check again. Bublapedia is so obtuse with this

[whole ibex]

Hear me out..

[next stump]

yes

99% sure

[chrome knot]

in my tcg era

[polar canyon]

Hi

Today I thought

What if I tried to use offensive maushold with gouging fire

Despite 50% usage incineroar

And 60% usage mane

Sounds like a good idea

[waxen remnant]

hey y’all i pretty much only ever shiny hunt but wanted to try & get into comp play. i’m assuming randoms on showdown to understand the gameplay is the best way to go but i could very easily be wrong so if anyone could lmk i appreciate it!!

[sick coral]

https://play.pokemonshowdown.com/battle-gen9bssregf-2050447215

[supple ether]

Youll learn immensely from your first few games. I reccomend using a rental team and just playing a couple games before you really get into the theory/literature

CybertronVGC or WolfeVGC are both great resources too (cybertron tends to cover unique teams and wolfey focuses more on his teams (world champ) and discussion pieces)

https://youtube.com/@CybertronVGC?si=cJbJxzJjykRUrSnW

https://youtube.com/@WolfeyVGC?si=c0g9rtgxe6tEXMw2

[bold geode]

https://www.vgcguide.com/ (Helpful website for basics and also to get your feet wet)

https://www.pikalytics.com/ (Shows you usage data and helps you build Pokémon)

https://nerd-of-now.github.io/NCP-VGC-Damage-Calculator/ (Damage calculator that is very helpful when building teams or reflecting on games)

https://youtube.com/c/CybertronVGC (Best channel for daily VGC content, guiding you through the thought process you need for success)

https://victoryroadvgc.com/ (Tournament results, team reports and breakdowns, and rental codes can be found here)

https://twitter.com/VGCPastes - Tournament and high ranked teams

https://twitter.com/vgccorner - Helpful Twitter account that posts in-depth EV spreads and ideas about competitive pokemon

There are dozens of other resources, some of which are in the pinned messages of this channel. But these IMO are the best places to start absorbing knowledge and getting to a place where you're comfortable with VGC

[waxen remnant]

tysm

[gentle crag]

wyattb25 has given 1 Gen Rep to dollarmonke

[bold geode]

Yup

[agile urchin]

im kinda listening

[charred saddle]

🐒

[mighty stump]

anj udh bangun ato belom tidur

[agile urchin]

the dog is probably asleep

[bold geode]

Finally some people show up

[charred saddle]

bgn dong

[mighty stump]

Misunderstood translation lmao

[charred saddle]

bru tdr 3 jem sih

[bold geode]

Don't talk about my dong bro

[agile urchin]

mb I google translated that 😭

[mighty stump]

gk tdr samsek

sm aj

The fun part abt indonesian

Is

[charred saddle]

shaddap, no one likes you 🙉

[mighty stump]

Even if you have google translate

[charred saddle]

jk monke ily

[mighty stump]

You can just further abbreviate it

[agile urchin]

crazy

[mighty stump]

So even google cant help

Lmao

[charred saddle]

u cant translate our abb

[agile urchin]

wild

[bold geode]

Shut up PeepeePoosee

[mighty stump]

Wow

[charred saddle]

rude

[mighty stump]

ruse

[bold geode]

How ruse of me

[charred saddle]

Tofoosee

[bold geode]

Not the forbidden Tofoosee

[mighty stump]

Tofoosee

[tough idol]

1st game new season Muk, Smeargle opponent

[bold geode]

Monkoosee

[agile urchin]

I made my friend suffer through 9 group guests over 2 days to get a pokemon I needed. AITA?

[bold geode]

Change name now

[charred saddle]

ngl, peepeepoosee is genius, but tofoosee is one of the worst name i know

[bold geode]

Wow
Tofu you see that

[brazen bough]

cooking

[charred saddle]

[bold geode]

Lmao
Write that down WRITE THAT DOWN

[charred saddle]

there u go, i wrote THAT for you

[bold geode]

[molten oasis]

[next stump]

cool collaboration

i think they’re dropping a merch line

[mighty stump]

I KNOW

IM SO EXCITED

HOODIE ORG INCOMING

[nocturne holly]

AL THAT FOR THE JOKEEEE

[mighty stump]

Except im pretty sure I can't get my hands on any cause shipping

[next stump]

need ASAP

[mighty stump]

WAIT WHERE IS THIS

[nocturne holly]

drippp

[next stump]

this was in one of their youtube videos recently

[mighty stump]

their DBZ line was fire

[bold geode]

Ayo that'd be fuckin pog

[bold geode]

🔥

[smoky hawk]

Some good prio attackers benefit from rain, like chien-pao, gambit, rillaboom, and rapid urshifu. I might make a team like that

And because rain is more important than TW on a team like that, I'd use pelipper

[rustic mountain]

[summer shore]

@bold geode what was i pinged for

Many hours ago

[smoky hawk]

Alright I'm thinking to go with tera ghost gambit. That deals with the farigaraf + fake out leads

[bold geode]

@summer shore someone was talking singles

[bold geode]

Ayo

Tree appearance

[dapper crag]

- [Grass]

Resists (0.5x)

Electric, Grass, Ground, Water

Neutral damage

Dark, Dragon, Fairy, Fighting, Ghost, Normal, Psychic, Rock, Steel, Stellar

Weak (2x)

Bug, Fire, Flying, Ice, Poison

Type Notes

Grass-types are immune to Powder-based Moves.

SableyeBot version 4.25.1

[supple ether]

#competitive_discussion doing a little shimmy around the channel list these past weeks fr

[dull ibex]

@bold geode your wake team is just simple ho yeah?

Might reuse your six with my spreads that I'm more comfortable with if that's the case

I need to re-make my mane spread probably

[bold geode]

Basically yeah
Only different thing is I got Hands and Farigiraf to not be weak AF to Trick Room

[dull ibex]

I am using tofu's entei

[bold geode]

Yeah go for it
Those spreads could be better
Been thinking on CA Hands

I'm using Tofu's Entei as well

[dull ibex]

I also just want to use my shiny mane tbh

I like regular mane more I think

But it's a good flex

[bold geode]

Regular Mane better design

[dull ibex]

I agree

[bold geode]

I also like Incineroar regular better
But shiny is a flex too

[dull ibex]

The green is a bit odd

[rustic mountain]

[dull ibex]

This is where I'm at

[bold geode]

[rustic mountain]

all about the flex

[dull ibex]

My incin spread is dumb

[rustic mountain]

[dull ibex]

It's offensive av

[bold geode]

Fuck is that

[bold geode]

I wish I couldn't read now

[dull ibex]

Monke why hands over incin?

[rustic mountain]

[rustic mountain]

buff bewear

[bold geode]

Tbh I just didn't want type overlap for some reason 🤷‍♂️

[rustic mountain]

me having double fire/grass

[dull ibex]

Oh OK I'm going to fix my incin and use that tbh

[bold geode]

And wanted an excuse to use Hands

[dull ibex]

I thought there was a great reason

[rustic mountain]

i like hands on that 2nd place team

clear amulet

[broken grove]

I get more sweaty during comp games than in the gym help

[bold geode]

If I redid that Hands though, yeah I'd go Clear Amulet
Punishes shit rn

[rustic mountain]

yea

[bold geode]

Yeah putting the 6 together wasn't big
I just wanted to make sure I wasn't totally weak to Trick Room there like I've been with these type teams in the past due to just natural reasons

[rustic mountain]

jus seems really flexible w/ the bm/giraffe mode but also w/ torn potentially

[dull ibex]

Fair

[rustic mountain]

thats why that team is so scary, lot of things to cover for

[dull ibex]

I do like the concept

The six is good, it's basic enough to adjust for me

[bold geode]

Though I do think Incin Farigiraf could work
Hell if you want, you could possibly try Throat Spray spread

[rustic mountain]

ive been enjoying the throat spray set

but its only been on wolfeys team ive used it

[bold geode]

With Throat Spray on that HO team, hell you could probably actually go Trick Room in some games with Incin and that
Have a Trick Room sweeper
But yeah other than that, just pure Sun HO

Wake just works like a fucking charm with Sun HO naturally

[rustic mountain]

is wake even good

feel like ud rather jus flutter chi yu nd have a better other 4 to round it out

[bold geode]

It's not the best of course
But for HO style teams, it's definitely worth considering

[rustic mountain]

yea thats fair

[bold geode]

Only problem is of course if you fail to OHKO stuff, trading damage can be a bit dicey especially if your opponent can heal up

But usually Sun boost + Tera Water + Lorb stacked onto Hydro Steam OHKOs things it should

[rustic mountain]

yea i think thats my biggest gripe w/ it. when u put it in damage trade situations it usually doesnt come out the other end positive and b/c it needs so many multipliers to get those kos

def dont think its unuseable tho

[bold geode]

Right it's a bitch but it can snowball at times

[rustic mountain]

tru

if its role was more versatile i think itd see more play

but its jus not

[bold geode]

Trust me
I hate Sun HO
But Wake actually made it a bit fun again

[rustic mountain]

haha

thats cool

i think the last archetype i had the most fun w/ was weezing/moon

like ive done better w/ teams b4 and after but like playing that team was a blast

[bold geode]

Tbh going into making the three teams, I felt like Wake would be the one I damn near neglected
But nope
Bolt was
In hindsight, I'll use Bolt if it fits the team, but fuck that thing

[rustic mountain]

bolt was on my first 2 reg f teams

its a good mon

[bold geode]

I hate Bolt
It feels so clunky

[rustic mountain]

yea it can