EXCUSE ME? 252+MODEST TERA ELECTRIC RISING VOLTAGE IN TERRAIN (140BP) VS 0/0 Assault Vest Calyrex is a 62.5% to ohko????
#competitive_discussion
supple ether
polar canyon
From what
polar canyon
I forgot it learns that
dapper crag
SableyeBot version 4.25.1
willow vault
I hope that somehow they enforce a ban on Teraing your restricteds, otherwise that will be way to painful
molten oasis
Oh it doesn’t get that
polar canyon
Can you imagine tho
supple ether
Ye signsture of raging bolt for some reason
molten oasis
How did electro drift work again?
supple ether
Doubles BP if SE
polar canyon
Expert belt basically
dapper crag
SableyeBot version 4.25.1
polar canyon
But more
willow vault
Yeah it feels convoluted but I don’t have a clue which restricted will be the number 1 option
polar canyon
Reminder that hadron engine is electric surge + quark drive
willow vault
Oh we haven’t considered terapagos yet have we
I can’t be asked to think about it
polar canyon
And koraidon with sun is the same thing
molten oasis
RIGHT IT GETS A SPA BOOST TOO
willow vault
Yeah
polar canyon
Miraidon when rillaboom
willow vault
Miraidon when rillaboom
I mean rillaboom has for a long time been pretty good into restricted formats as it used to OHKO kyogre before grassy glide nerfs
molten oasis
Just wood hammer it
polar canyon
I mean rillaboom has for a long time been pretty good into restricted formats as...
Now you can use sword of ruin grassy glide
willow vault
Your now slower it’s a slightly bigger problem
molten oasis
Pretty sure rillaboom just wipes it anyway before it can kill rilla
willow vault
Now you can use sword of ruin grassy glide
Fairs
willow vault
Pretty sure rillaboom just wipes it anyway before it can kill rilla
It liked being faster
molten oasis
Yes but still
willow vault
More for the sake of its partners than itself
dapper crag
SableyeBot version 4.25.1
molten oasis
It takes an ice beam, just wood hammer or tailwind
Oh you better be excited for that rental
A9-White Kyurem will be my goal that reg
polar canyon
I like this guys design
willow vault
Yeah kyogre + Tornadus and Calyrex shadow all together super fun
dapper crag
SableyeBot version 4.25.1
polar canyon
I tried to cook with kyurem white in gen 8 but didn't do to good
willow vault
Yeah I mean gastrodon will probably see usage again with Incineroar on sun teams. Koraidon, flutter, Incineroar and gastrodon gives lots of versatility
dapper crag
SableyeBot version 4.25.1
molten oasis
Oh that does that too nvm
supple ether
Oh ayo armarouge could unironically be the one true king vs calyrex
Armor canon (Helping Hand/sun) or meteor beam (Helping Hand) guarantees ohkos 252/0 assault vest calyrex ice. Takes 70-83% (0HP/0Def) from stomping tantrum in return 👀
252/252 AV caly ice takes 96-109 (43.8% ohko) from those as well
polar canyon
WAIT IT IGNORES THERMAL EXCHANGE?
I don't think baxcalibur is gonna get too much usage ngl
molten oasis
It ignores good as gold
willow vault
That could be more important
polar canyon
What is it using on it
dapper crag
SableyeBot version 4.25.1
willow vault
I like kyrem-black a lot it’s cool
dapper crag
SableyeBot version 4.25.1
molten oasis
Oh
supple ether
Damn 
willow vault
Yeah
supple ether
Power creep is a bitch huh
molten oasis
L
dapper crag
SableyeBot version 4.25.1
willow vault
Lunala will be interesting, it might finally be able to do something against Incineroar, wooo
dapper crag
SableyeBot version 4.25.1
willow vault
Power herb meteor beam Lunala here I come
molten oasis
Tera fire kwhite looks fun
polar canyon
Lunala or dawn wings necrozma?
polar canyon
Lunala has a bit qorse stats but has multiscale iirc
molten oasis
This is Mon I would like to use for sure
dapper crag
SableyeBot version 4.25.1
willow vault
Shadow shield is cool
polar canyon
Im just trying to get a team I like to work
willow vault
What’s the team?
polar canyon
I want my first one to be either hybrid tr with blood moon or chien + rilla + gouging fire core
willow vault
Build an example and put in on pokepaste and then we can help more
supple ether
that was a fun discussion
Restricted format is gonna be interesting to say the least
willow vault
I guess
fallen garden
Is restricged format confirmed??
willow vault
There’s one every gen
supple ether
Nothing announced if thats wym
polar canyon
Is restricged format confirmed??
No but if you look at past gens it pretty much is
Happened every time
fallen garden
No but if you look at past gens it pretty much is
Restricted after 1.5 years?
polar canyon
Yeah
I was only into comp since gen 8 so I didn't catch much restricteds stuff
Because I also got burnt out by the time restricted formats came out
I played a bit and thought it was really lame playing against zacian and calyrex
molten oasis
https://pokepast.es/65daa6f703057bcf
Kingambit looks good here
molten oasis
I played a bit and thought it was really lame playing against zacian and calyrex
What’s gonna change
polar canyon
What’s gonna change
Nothing but now I'm more experienced lol
molten oasis
That’s fair
polar canyon
And I was really against using meta
Now idc
You can use meta mons and still be original
Also what's gonna change is tera fairy calyrex
But I won't think about that yet
polar canyon
Kingambit looks good here
I was really rooting for the gouging kingambit team on the last regional
molten oasis
Oh that’s the flavor of the week
polar canyon
But like I didn't know how to feel about it being mono dark moves
molten oasis
So expect to see that in the next regional
polar canyon
Especially when it was against incin lol
molten oasis
I saw like 5 today it’s proving to be insanely fucking annoying
polar canyon
They're not running mono dark moves tho are they
polar canyon
Like it was kinda sad seeing it get owned by urshifu and incineroar
willow vault
Tera blast?
It also deals with Urshifu if you use fairy Tera
polar canyon
Also I'm using icicle crash over spinner on chien
Because ice spinner kinda goes against the whole point of using it with rillaboom
willow vault
Good choice
molten oasis
That's one way to deal with incin
Low kick
polar canyon
Is it that heavy
molten oasis
On incin yes, It’s better damage than Tera blast
polar canyon
Well it's 80 bp
Still never ohkos without stab
But chip is chip
I like having rillaboom paired with a bulky mon with lefties
What's a good option for the core I got?
polar canyon
If I bring mane it's probably specs
willow vault
Ok
polar canyon
Like having your mane be defensive is nice but those lefties super bulk sets are too much
willow vault
People run lefties flutter?
polar canyon
It's something I have seen before
willow vault
Huh
polar canyon
That's why people don't use lefties
Sometimes sash is cool
Not like it's getting faked out or hit by espeed
polar canyon
It lets you run max max more safely
willow vault
I guess
smoky hawk
Lefties on flutter for substitute+protect maybe, but I'd still say no to that
mighty stump
@kindred cypress Your rental doesn't follow the guidelines
This is like
The 3rd or 4th time now
mighty stump
It literally doesn't follow the form
No Format, and Code also has to be written out
mighty stump
You're also missing the headers
How unaware are you when theres literally examples to scroll up from
@kindred cypress Missing the Regulation.
fluid wind
mighty stump
https://pokepast.es/e5bb28b412d04393
Comfey's HP should be invested in first before defenses.
fluid wind
alright i thought defense would be enough lol
mighty stump
No, becuase look at it's base stats
The lowest stat is HP
Therefore you wanna invest in it first.
Since the gap between its HP and its Def/SpDef is substantial.
HP investment counts towards Def/SpDef investment.
Incineroar should definitely not be max Speed
Hoodra should not have those EVs either, it still needs HP investment
fluid wind
yea i was looking at flores hp and incenu speed is just to outspeed other incenu
but i could make it a little lower if that will make it better
fluid wind
dang rilly lol
fluid wind
alright also what do u think of the team so far
mighty stump
In my experience Comfey doesn't really need Mental Herb and benefits off a healing berry or Sitrus to be able to sit on front of Amoonguss if the board state calls for its support
Goodra should be Tera-Fairy and Shell Armor due to both Urshifu's being relevant matchups.
The rest is just standard.
fluid wind
alright also the goodra tera if for ground and fighting lol
but i saw that fairy is also good for it
mighty stump
I'm aware, but once you have Iron Defense boosts it doesn't matter barring Lando-I which you have both Chien-Pao and Ogerpon to deal with it.
fluid wind
alright thxs for helping with this team also it my first time using comfey so thxs for helping with that also
mighty stump
Comfey @ Sitrus Berry
Ability: Triage
Level: 50
Tera Type: Steel
EVs: 252 HP / 108 Def / 84 SpA / 4 SpD / 60 Spe
Modest Nature
Try this spread. Most of the time it OHKOs Darkshifu which imo has been relevant offensively into other frail Dark types + has appropriate bulk for Specs Moonblast from Flutter and Urshifu-Water
The defenses is just a dump
Speed there is mildly unnecessary but it was useful when I wanted to get off non-priority moves like Taunt
fluid wind
alright
mighty stump
on god?
supple ether
Ye, going 60-80% win rate on showdown atm
mighty stump
80?
supple ether
Needs slme tweaking but here's the team
mighty stump
Fr?
supple ether
I win 2-4 in a row yuh
Same principles as regidrago sweeps, except not a spread move so have to be more careful
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It still feels a little rough around the edges, especially the bundle, but otherwise Im doing pretty alright so far
And thank you cybertron for making thunderwave 90% accurate 
mighty stump
You should probably check your stats by clicking your name and we can figure out whats the WR and where
true I coupd be biased
mighty stump
Click your name
supple ether
Nah it's my main
mighty stump
Oh, that makes it a bit more difficult to discern
supple ether
Yeah
mighty stump
But I get it
supple ether
Still pretty low (1261)
mighty stump
It works fine, I just dislike E-Terrain Thundy
supple ether
But started at 1100 with version 0.1
mighty stump
I also have seen Iron Leaves, the damage output is so middling
supple ether
YEAH
mighty stump
But it looks good overall
supple ether
Its so frustrating how mid it is
Glicko is 1561 (whstever that means)
But psyblade gets 1.5 boost in terrain
mighty stump
Its your assumed final elo i.e. where you're meant to place
supple ether
Ah I c
mighty stump
Within a standard deviation
supple ether
Team's fun, but I do wanna get consistent with it before msking a rental
Any sugesstions?
mighty stump
Is the bulk for Zapdos anything specific and any reason Tera Blast Ground
Thunderous Kick could also be useful to enable Iron Leaves better as well nad get KOs it shouldn't
supple ether
Good question on the EVs 
Its too specific for to not have had something in mind but idont remember what
Lemme run some calcs for kick vs combat
Oh jk they're ripped straigjt from the default builds
Thundy kick is in, cc is cheeks
Hmmm tera blast ground 
Not really I suppose
Throat chop it is
Relic from an older version
(ty for help)
shell sandal
can you run hatterene out of trick room? im looking at a shiny one but idk if its worth cuz it isnt 0 spe
next stump
definitely not worth running outside of TR
but if you play mostly casually it doesn’t need to be 0SPE
brisk hatch
Is porygon2 decent with tera 👻?
shell sandal
but if you play mostly casually it doesn’t *need* to be 0SPE
ahhhhh i hate how hard it is to get 0 spe shinies
next stump
Is porygon2 decent with tera 👻?
ghost and poison are both good
ghost is a little tough with urshifu dark around
brisk hatch
Ground weakness is tough to though
@next stump what do you think about switch ins for
Bloodmoon and dusclops instead of using porygon2
Any suggestions 🤔
next stump
what do you mean switch ins? like pokemon to run alongside them?
next stump
rillaboom could be nice for the water/grass resist and fake out
incineroar also works for fake out + intimidate + beats the ghost types that threatens dusclops
Urshifu-Dark is usually seen on these trick room teams to give you a faster option and also a way to threaten opposing trick room setters like indeedee or farig
shell sandal
is there any viability for pikachu in vgc?
brisk hatch
Cool that's helpful 🙂
next stump
i think there was one dude who used pikachu at a regional in gen 8
but that’s the only recent example I can think of
shell sandal
yea im thinking i would like to try static fake out control maybe to counter urshifu or sum
maybe tailwind pikachu can cook idk
next stump
I think electabuzz with follow me is probably just better unless you’re dead set on pikachu
shell sandal
no im dead set on pikachu
mighty stump
Not really a counter
shell sandal
same way im eventually going to find a rowlet niche in vgc
brisk hatch
If blood moon were stellar tera would brick break still activate weakness policy? Proll gonna go with life orb on blood Moon but just curious
mighty stump
Be realistic lol.
shell sandal
Be realistic lol.
if i wanted to be realistic i would play palworld 🥱
mighty stump
? What does that have to do with anything?
brisk hatch
If blood moon were stellar tera would brick break still activate weakness policy? Proll gonna go with life orb on blood Moon but just curious@next stump
mighty stump
If blood moon were stellar tera would brick break still activate weakness policy...
It would.
Okay
Good luck with your Pikachu/Rowlet endeavours
brisk hatch
Has anyone tried stellar on Bloodmoon?
mighty stump
Idk how far someone will get with an attitude problem when asking for help but 🤷♂️ Just another Monday
mighty stump
Has anyone tried stellar on Bloodmoon?
People tend to want to get rid of the Ground weakness thanks to Ogerpon/Rillaboom.
gentle cragBOT
People tend to want to get rid of the Ground weakness thanks to Ogerpon/Rillaboo...
woodtofu has given 1 Gen Rep to pokeman1986
brisk hatch
Yeah makes sense @mighty stump
dull ibex
This chat bruh 💀
Pikachu sucks btw
Actually tofu is stellar being used on anything rn?
mighty stump
You're welcome to ping the delusional people and tell em that Red
mighty stump
Actually tofu is stellar being used on anything rn?
Darkshifu, Pao, Flutter
shell sandal
Idk how far someone will get with an attitude problem when asking for help but �...
no i was joking, sorry if it came off like that 😭
ik pikachu and rowlet r hot garbage in vgcc
dull ibex
is there any viability for pikachu in vgc?
Pikachu is awful atm
brisk hatch
Venusaur really sucks this gen huh?
dull ibex
There is some moments Pikachu gets a silly gimmick
shell sandal
just coping since pikachu is my favorite pokemon. Would love to use it
dull ibex
Then like it's fine for a format then becomes awful again
brisk hatch
Perhaps it's me but man...
dull ibex
I wouldn't cope too much
shell sandal
Venusaur really sucks this gen huh?
i think u can find a use for it lowk. Its good against rillaboom and urshifu
dull ibex
My favorite is dogshit as well so I get it
dull ibex
Venusaur really sucks this gen huh?
Yeah venu is outclassed this gen
It's kind of mid as far as I know
brisk hatch
@shell sandal even in sun it's slow 😦
dull ibex
No it is not
kindred cypress
Venusaur really sucks this gen huh?
Especially with paradox mons being op
dull ibex
It's alright speed in sun
shell sandal
<@1092147379249090711> even in sun it's slow 😦
is it? its 2x speed
dull ibex
The format itself is too fast and dmax is gone
So venu suffered alot this coming from a former venu main btw
brisk hatch
I didn't mean it was literally slow but like flutter kicked my ass with a torkoal venusaur lead
dull ibex
Venukoal is outclassed by Liligant Torkoal imo
Samurott sucks is what hurts me the most
brisk hatch
The fire move flutter had Ohko venusaur. It was a critical but still prolly would have fainted anyway
dull ibex
😔
252+ SpA Choice Specs Flutter Mane Psyshock vs. 0 HP / 4 Def Venusaur: 178-210 (114.8 - 135.4%) -- guaranteed OHKO
wait was it booster?
shell sandal
So venu suffered alot this coming from a former venu main btw
i remember grinding for the HA in gen 7 lol 🤣
dull ibex
then it probably wouldnt have killed without crit
dull ibex
i remember grinding for the HA in gen 7 lol 🤣
lol imagine grinding for HA
shell sandal
my first pokemon game was brick bronze, im used to HA grinding
shell sandal
there wasnt AP in gen 7 tho, and I was a little kid w no friends 😭
supple ether
Actually tofu is stellar being used on anything rn?
Interesting tech on regidrago over draco meteor. Though you do lose tera steel tera blast
shell sandal
your first game was a rom hack?????
no its a roblox game
shell sandal
nah it lowk is better than gen 9
dull ibex
lol sure
shell sandal
its still running rn. Its got all pokemon from gen 1 -9 its awesome. Too bad I quit
shell sandal
first game game was Black
dull ibex
you said it was brick bronze
dull ibex
starting with black sucks
it only goes downhill from there
I went platinum then ruby then hgss then black and white then the sequel
man ruby was fire
bold geode
My first was platinum
For the first time ever I must say
You are valid
shell sandal
well i was little so i didnt care, i genuinely dislike violet because of its graphics tho. issue is I cant stop playing it cuz i love pokemon
bold geode
Platinum was my first game too
dull ibex
For the first time ever I must say
You are valid
I played a little bit of previous games
but I dont count that it was like 10 minutes of diamond
bold geode
Right
Platinum just better
shell sandal
has anyone here played project mew before
dull ibex
platinum is the first one i beat
shell sandal
or xenoverse
bold geode
Platinum was first I beat too
Legit Chimchar was my FIRST Pokemon
Why I have such attachments to Infernape
dull ibex
looking at you swsh
shell sandal
i just lke to do nuzlockes in those games w groups of friends tbh. I wouldnt spend time playing em
supple ether
Any thoughts on this team? It's been holding up remarkably well -- the second ever functional team Ive built. Getting ready to transfer it to rental code
shell sandal
looking at you swsh
swsh is a great game ngl. Nice graphics, good home screen and options tab and fun shiny hunts
dull ibex
its really painfully mid
shell sandal
its better than violet atleast
dull ibex
the story is mid, and the resolution looks like dogwater
bold geode
Any thoughts on this team? It's been holding up remarkably well -- the second ev...
Not the Iron Leaves
dull ibex
Nah I disagree definitely violet is a huge step up from shield
shell sandal
the only thing good abt these games is storytelling. And that too, area 0 is literally made in abyss 2.0
supple ether
Not the Iron Leaves
I know 
but its typing/coverage is what the team needs
dull ibex
everything about the story in scarlet and violet is just better then swsh, and the pvp is better this time
bold geode
Pokemon SV is just better to me mainly cuz story
supple ether
Not a good pokemon but it fills the mishappen hole well enough
shell sandal
everything about the story in scarlet and violet is just better then swsh, and t...
eh dynamax was a more fun mech tbh
dull ibex
in what way?
bold geode
SV is the first game since Platinum that has genuinely made me basically cry
dull ibex
it lacked real stratedgy that tera has
shell sandal
its just so much cooler imo. Ik the tera is more strategic and allows for more versatility but idk
i said more fun, not a better overall mech tho*
bold geode
Dynamax is fucking lame
bold geode
I used to like it
But when I went back I was like "this is disgusting how did I like this"
shell sandal
tera is the best mechanic pvp wise ever i think tho.
mega evolution + z move is a close second tho. Gen 7 vgc scene looked amazing
bold geode
legends arceus is also great
I just hate the basic fact of how hard it'd be to wanna replay that game
dull ibex
Z moves are by far the worst to me
shell sandal
z moves are, but z move and mega in 1 meta isnt
dull ibex
yeah that was a terrible meta
shell sandal
what? no it was so fun
dull ibex
I think people accepted it at the time
but megas broke the game and Z moves just as easily broke the game
yeah lets set up tailwind and boost crit chance 2x
shell sandal
well tbf, i used to play singles until late gen 8
dull ibex
that makes them worse
shell sandal
i was like top 400 ladder in showdown for singles, switched to doubles and its much different
dull ibex
they make singles an overcentralized shit show of hyper offense
AND I LIKE HYPER OFFENSE
shell sandal
eh but singles is fun in its own right, doubles is also fun but the issue is doubles shouldnt be the official one. If they want it to be official they should make the anime double battles and all the in game ones that as well
dull ibex
its faster, its easier to understand as a spectator I think, its more engaging to the majority of the playbase if they'd try it
people prefer singles because the story uses that as the format
which is understandable
shell sandal
Should change the anime to doubles instead <a:AUsmart:649741633570471946>
exactly
dull ibex
I dont think they need to completely change pokemon and the anime
bold geode
AND I LIKE HYPER OFFENSE
Never would've guessed
dull ibex
just have easier to understand tutorials for how pvp works
also continue to make teambuilding easier helps
shell sandal
there is no easy tutorial, ev spreads r almost impossible for little kids to figure out
dull ibex
tell that to juniors
shell sandal
for the majority of em* also those ppl r experienced and prolly got alot of help
bold geode
Red you haven't posted your cookie cutter HO rental yet
shell sandal
plus the majority of the juniors aint even ev effectively
supple ether
The real issue is pokemon is unnecessarily obtuse and the skill floor is ridiculous
bold geode
I had to go and post one for you lmao
dull ibex
plus the majority of the juniors aint even ev effectively
.....
shell sandal
according to wolfe even pros dont do it right
shell sandal
nah they ev'd standard.
shell sandal
oh well... thats true, but i mean its prolly hard for them to get creative and consider matchups when deciding speed and stuff without already established sets to use.
supple ether
oh well... thats true, but i mean its prolly hard for them to get creative and c...
Show me you regional top 32 finishes
dull ibex
also im ngl this is a bit ignorant of a take
supple ether
or are we just talking out of our asses
dull ibex
it really feels like you dont watch tournament play
which is fine if you dont, but I wouldnt really speak on juniors teams if you dont watch it
shell sandal
did i ever say Im good at eving? no I didnt. Im just saying it seems impossible for little kids to be able to get it if I cant
bold geode
Y'all are proving I had braincells I didn't know I had
Cuz you're all killing them
shell sandal
ive watched the juniors finals a few times tho, they seemed pretty standard. I didnt see anything crazy out of the ordinary
supple ether
did i ever say Im good at eving? no I didnt. Im just saying it seems impossible ...
😅 it's fine if you cant, but dont patronize people
dull ibex
the majority of tournament teams are standard
it feels a little reductive to call everything standard as if its a bad thing to be standard
shell sandal
😅 it's fine if you cant, but dont patronize people
im just saying if I cant do it there is no way most 8yr olds can. It may come across as cocky or overconfident but im like 10yrs older than them
bold geode
See it's important to note what standard is too
Cuz like sometimes complex spreads can even be just standard shit
shell sandal
it feels a little reductive to call everything standard as if its a bad thing to...
its not, im speaking more on the fact that its really hard to not be standard because of how hard the game is in general
dull ibex
but what you are saying isnt true
dull ibex
just because they are little kids doesnt all of them worse then you at pokemon lmao
bold geode
im just saying if I cant do it there is no way most 8yr olds can. It may come ac...
I can make complex spreads
I'm 21 and one of them 8 year olds could probably still beat my ass
dawn crown
I have no idea what moves to run on a booster flutter set
I want speed control with icy wind but I dont know what to replace
I already have shadowball moonblast dazzling gleam and protect
dull ibex
there are 8 year olds better then me at every game
mighty stump
I have no idea what moves to run on a booster flutter set
I want speed control w...
Eithers up to either Gleam or Moonblast.
bold geode
I have no idea what moves to run on a booster flutter set
I want speed control w...
Keep Shadow Ball and Protect
Then it depends on if you want full Fairy spread or to wipe something off the board more effectively
shell sandal
I can make complex spreads
I'm 21 and one of them 8 year olds could probably sti...
hmmm is it really like that? i didnt think they were acc that good tbh. I assumed they were just good for their ages
supple ether
I have no idea what moves to run on a booster flutter set
I want speed control w...
If tera fairy, gleam could.be good to go. Though moonblast is useful for the thiccer bois out there that could otherwise tank it
dawn crown
If tera fairy, gleam could.be good to go. Though moonblast is useful for the thi...
yes it is tera fairy
dull ibex
What kids are we talking about? comp players can destroy the majority of a playbase kid or not
are we talking the average kid? because that doesnt matter because most casuals dont get it regardless of age
shell sandal
i mean the older you are the easier it is to get it. Im sure the average 16-17 yr old with basic understanding would beat the average 8 yr old with basic understanding
mighty stump
Juniors division
supple ether
hmmm is it really like that? i didnt think they were acc that good tbh. I assume...
It's fortunate that upon turning 11 juniors players rapidly undergo brain expansion so that they can compete at the seniors division 
dull ibex
im MUCH older then them
shell sandal
juniors division kids destroy me
oh have u played one of em before
dull ibex
no but I promise you any of them would pummel me
mighty stump
The Juniors matches are great to watch
dull ibex
and I would pummel any adult with basic understanding
shell sandal
hmmm but maybe we got to factor in the fact that they 100% spend all their time on the game
bold geode
I'm not confident I can be Marco Fiero's brother.
I am Marco Fiero
shell sandal
i dont think any of us can do that
dull ibex
hmmm but maybe we got to factor in the fact that they 100% spend all their time ...
right but what does this matter lmao
bold geode
Believe Tofu
mighty stump
I am Marco Fiero
Your words say Marco Fiero your elo says DollarMonke
shell sandal
well its like an 8 yr old who spends all day on chess would slaughter me
dull ibex
yeah because they are competitive players lmao
some of its age but alot of it is time and expirence
kids arent dumb man
shell sandal
well thats debatable.... but yea i see what ur sayin
bold geode
Your words say Marco Fiero your elo says DollarMonke
Your words and the powers of my Six Eyes tell me you're Marco Fiero
BUT YOUR ELO AND GXE SAY OTHERWISE
dull ibex
Your words say Marco Fiero your elo says DollarMonke
Being dollar monke elo what a tragic fate
shell sandal
kinda like how a kid who currently takes geography would prolly be better than me at it. Doesnt mean they are smarter its just abt the time and experience they got w it
im not bad at geography tho this is just an example
mighty stump
I've seen some adults and teens being far more dumbass than some kids I know
dull ibex
kinda like how a kid who currently takes geography would prolly be better than m...
but that is smarter then you
mighty stump
And most of my negative interactions tend to involve adults.
bold geode
Once again I'm a prime example
Age does not equal maturity
dull ibex
in that subject they are smarter then you
mighty stump
I can give kids benefit of a doubt
shell sandal
in that subject they are smarter then you
depends on ur definition of smart. But yes could be
bold geode
Being dollar monke elo what a tragic fate
Can't be worse than Redstone ELO hell
shell sandal
all abt smarts vs intelligence tbh
dull ibex
Can't be worse than Redstone ELO hell
you arent wrong
dull ibex
And most of my negative interactions tend to involve adults.
this
they have far more ego in my expirence
all the kids in here are just like I wanna use an Eevee damn I cant? sadge
lmao
shell sandal
well also it depends on the expectations u have going into the convo. With adults you expect a degree of maturity, with kids you give them the benefit of the doubt
dull ibex
I expect a level of maturity from anyone on here
shell sandal
all the kids in here are just like I wanna use an Eevee damn I cant? sadge
just sayin but if this was gen 7 you COULD use an extreme evoboost set 🤣
wait u said kids in here???? why are there kids in this chat
supple ether
I expect a level of maturity from anyone on here
shell sandal
i thought this is a 13+ place
dull ibex
wait u said kids in here???? why are there kids in this chat
anything under 17 is a kid
shell sandal
oh fr? ig im a kid then 💀
dull ibex
sorry under 18
supple ether
anything under 17 is a kid
*25 but yes
dull ibex
yeah probably
shell sandal
when saying kids I meant like 8-11
dull ibex
what are you 16?
shell sandal
im turning 17 in a week so we can say 17
dull ibex
so 16
shell sandal
alr fine : (
supple ether
im turning 17 in a week so we can say 17
Summer vacation baby 🫵 
dawn crown
will global competition be in all age divisons
dull ibex
also like i hate to burst bubble but there are definitely 8-11 year olds somewhere in this discord lmao
kids lie about their age alot
shell sandal
do yall run stuff on showdown for testing or do you play casuals. If so what is a good elo to be in in showdown
mighty stump
Against ToS, probably.
dull ibex
Against ToS, probably.
it is definitely not allowed they just lie and say they're 13-14
shell sandal
also like i hate to burst bubble but there are definitely 8-11 year olds somewhe...
yea but ima treat them as if they are 13 if they speak to me so idrc
supple ether
do yall run stuff on showdown for testing or do you play casuals. If so what is ...
Both
mighty stump
Showdown? 1500s+ is always a good midpoint.
I always aim for top 500.
But you also want to consider your GXE and # of games as well
supple ether
Midpoint 
dull ibex
do yall run stuff on showdown for testing or do you play casuals. If so what is ...
I do testing
im in a bad elo atm
shell sandal
i used to be 1790 in singles. Ive been at the vgc stuff for a week or 2 and im hovering in the 1300s-1350s
mighty stump
Midpoint not mid
supple ether
Is the scale to like ~2k?
shell sandal
the GXE is not a huge deal tho, if ur going into games to test ev spreads
shell sandal
Midpoint not mid
what do you think a top rated juniors division player would be
mighty stump
I'd wager above that
mighty stump
I think that's
shell sandal
i mean im sure there r around 100 adults better
mighty stump
Also overestimating it a bit
shell sandal
like all of the masters division should be higher
bold geode
did monke says bog standard ho team
#rental_teams check my post
mighty stump
But it's all about consistency anyways
supple ether
What would be a good flex #? Like 1700? 1800 mayb?
shell sandal
or well it depends, showdown is primarilly used for testing so people sometimes tank around the ladder non indicative of skill
dull ibex
like all of the masters division should be higher
I wouldnt say most
masters division is a pretty wide net iirc
shell sandal
i want to see wolfe losing to a kid, would be mad funny.
dull ibex
everyone competiting in masters division is better then me though LMAO
shell sandal
i wouldnt say everyone
mighty stump
Showdown is definitely indicative of skill though, especially if you can slap on to the t500 ranking. As many people who "tank" theres also as many fresh alts with the intention to climb hard.
shell sandal
or well idk how good u are
mighty stump
Which is why overall its about consistency lol
dull ibex
well they have to qualify for worlds in the first place
shell sandal
Showdown is definitely indicative of skill though, especially if you can slap on...
no i meant like if a kid is rated higher than someone like wolfe who is testing a niche pick and losing alot because of it. It doesnt mean the kid is better
dull ibex
Im not awful but im definitely a worlds caliber player
shell sandal
oh dang ur that good?
dull ibex
definitely not
shell sandal
oh
dull ibex
im average in higher tier playing
shell sandal
whats ur elo on showdown
dull ibex
1200?
shell sandal
Showdown is definitely indicative of skill though, especially if you can slap on...
im tryna put the t500 on my college apps 🤣
mighty stump
Well
supple ether
Oh speaking of, that team I made today got me to 1400 
feels good considering how dogass my teambuilding was at the start of the month (hard stuck 1100)
dull ibex
fair enough
shell sandal
man lowk sinistcha and torkoal carried me into the 1300s
supple ether
im tryna put the t500 on my college apps 🤣
Could unironically do that. Depending on the univsersity, they love it if you have extracurriculars like that.
dull ibex
I really should eventually end my break
kindred cypress
So, what are all the main tr sweepers, cause all I know is bear and bear but on 2 legs?
shell sandal
Could unironically do that. Depending on the univsersity, they love it if you ha...
yea ik that. Im actually trying to qual for something notable since I love pokemon and need to go to a good college
shell sandal
So, what are all the main tr sweepers, cause all I know is bear and bear but on ...
iron crown and hatterene can abuse expanding force if ur running indeedee
dawn crown
https://pokepast.es/0bf2fd0cd7d8aece
this is my team for the global competition any ideas?
dull ibex
im gonna try monke's sun wake team
shell sandal
if u turn wasnt so common I would actually say to use execcutor.
kindred cypress
iron crown and hatterene can abuse expanding force if ur running indeedee
I’m doing pory 2
shell sandal
dang executor got screwed typing wise
kindred cypress
I like me some trace shenanigans
supple ether
So, what are all the main tr sweepers, cause all I know is bear and bear but on ...
Ursa, bmursa, hatterene(?), Archuldon(?) I think a lot of teams now are using EVs to underspeed in TR but not be slow in the traditional sense
Torkoal ofc
dull ibex
tofu wanna watch a few games of vgc?
kindred cypress
I wanted to run spider, it worked a lot, but I would like to have other options
shell sandal
i made cookies, turned out good for once
kindred cypress
And I don’t think my bloodmoon has good ivs
And I ain’t farming peat rocks again
supple ether
i made cookies, turned out good for once
Ayee keep learning to cook/bake
supple ether
And I ain’t farming peat rocks again
Could catch in SV, check IVs, then evo in PLA
shell sandal
ive been cooking for a while, baking is harder to learn if ur trying to learn the intuition rather than direction following
there aint no one in junior division who can out cook me tho 🥱
kindred cypress
Could catch in SV, check IVs, then evo in PLA
That’s the thing, I can’t even get ONE 
supple ether
ive been cooking for a while, baking is harder to learn if ur trying to learn th...
Intuition baking see you after 20 years hard baking
No chance
shell sandal
i added corn starch, coffee and toffee into these cookies and they actually work. I would study gastronomy if i was allowed to. I like this sort of stuff
supple ether
nice
kindred cypress
i made cookies, turned out good for once
What kind?
shell sandal
chocolate chip, anyway I made a grave mistake
shell sandal
my idiot self forgot to spray the tray, everything got stuck 🤦♂️
i cant do anything right 💀
dull ibex
I feel it
sick coral
what are some good pokemon that work in a singles team with wellspring ogerpon?
i also have hisuian samurott as a lead
sick coral
😭
supple ether
I figure the typing/trapping move access woupd make him a natural pivot
mighty stump
The rut and frustration has hit after a week of good mons.
I have 0 bead on what the meta is shifting to
supple ether
i assume u mean ogerpon
Heatran i mean, since you have two waters
mighty stump
I've been getting literal headaches from the volume of games I play trying to figure this out lmao
Ive gotten the same 3 snorlax balance teams to like 1600s/1700s with approx 70% GXE and always tumble afterwards
At the same time I cannot pinpoint what's wrong
supple ether
It's shifting towards thundurus, trust 
bold geode
I have 0 bead on what the meta is shifting to
Apparently others don't know as well so
mighty stump
Okay well ig I know it's not shifting there.
mighty stump
If you're not playing tours/prep, just play Bo1 lol
bold geode
Yeah
If you're not doing those then BO3 is entirely optional
dull ibex
I dont have an understanding of my flow charts and the meta right now
so i think im subaverage atm
supple ether
Bo3 is scary 
it's a whole skillset I havent developed. Well, two actually, adjusting and reading OTS
dull ibex
turns out im 1116 LMAO
sick coral
Heatran i mean, since you have two waters
sorry if this is a dumb question, but as someone new to competitive im just trying to understand. How come I would need heatran since I have 2 waters? They dont share any type weaknesses
by they I mean ogerpon and hisiuan samurott
brisk hatch
Hey guys , how come when I tried to learn burning bulwark on smeargle it wouldn't work and I asked on here at the time when the dlc came out?
I just ran into a smeargle on the ladder with that move.
Was it a hacked mon?
supple ether
sorry if this is a dumb question, but as someone new to competitive im just tryi...
Oh 😅 Im really not the person to ask. Just a simple type matchup guess by me: the grass and bug types that would threaten you become resisted. H. Samurott not so much since weak to fighting snd heatran is too, but it quad resists fairy
sick coral
Oh okay, that makes more sense thanks
sick coral
https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2024regf-2047377707
rip him 😭
dull ibex
its okay he was bad
sick coral
https://pokepast.es/6ae146bb0444ab15
😭
supple ether
https://pokepast.es/6ae146bb0444ab15
Is that an actual IH team? Ayo
dull ibex
add a type of pasta
supple ether
Pasta e fagioli
dull ibex
gasp a slur /j
charred saddle
no speed control and no protect will hurt in a long run
and both quaquaval and heatran has the same item
unless its singles format
mighty stump
Lmao
sick coral
unless its singles format
It is singles
sick coral
Why not 😭
sick coral
i didnt say u had too 😭
charred saddle
hahah
charred saddle
nono its just what i usually think of when making a team when building, its not that necessary if you have like certain bulks
but as the name implies you control the speed, like icy winds, tailwinds, or even like scary face
sick coral
Ohhh okay
charred saddle
for vgc format, if you let the enemy control the speeds, it can be quite hard to navigate and they can pressure you
tough idol
Tailwind, trick room
Icy wind, bulldoze, bleakwind, scary face
Not sure if I missed any
charred saddle
TR i think personally isnt speed control? but at least with it u can play around and throw them off
sick coral
nono its just what i usually think of when making a team when building, its not ...
So with my team u think i need it?
charred saddle
but you do need to keep in mind TR can be quite easily stopped and like its onyl 4 turns, so you wanna use the 4 turns efficiently
like i said before, i dont play singles and so i will not say anything to it.
id rather shut up than talk like a dumb idiot 
i think speed control in singles are like sticky web at least
where singles are quite prevalent to switching around
but again, i know nothing about it so yeah
i think comp helper shiro is the singles comp helper here but yeah
sick coral
like i said before, i dont play singles and so i will not say anything to it.
id...
Oh alright
sick coral
i think comp helper shiro is the singles comp helper here but yeah
Oh ok
charred saddle
gl
sick coral
Tyyy
real prairie
Tailwind, trick room
Icy wind, bulldoze, bleakwind, scary face
Not sure if I ...
one of the biggest and best, Paralysis
50% speed reduction and it can't be dismissed with a swap out
charred saddle
yes, and unreliable 
real prairie
Everything has its catch
charred saddle
not much paralysis user that is reliable
prob thundurus, but still twave miss isnt fun, storm has quite a big chance when it hits both but its 80%
and then 30% for para
id rather just scary face at that point for guaranteed -2
mighty stump
Gyarados.
charred saddle
what does gyarados even do
mighty stump
Intim/Taunt/TWave + Waterfall for Paraflinch
mighty stump
Ting/Gyara/Amoonguss was one of the main balance archetypes.
dapper crag
SableyeBot version 4.25.1
mighty stump
Also is one of the ways to Para a Ground type
charred saddle
serperior gets it tho haha
hmm tinglu for spA drop, gyara intim amoonguss spore and powder regenerator
and kinda covers for each other?
gyara --> electric --> tinglu --> water / grass --> amoonguss --> fire --> gyarados
quite annoying i see
real prairie
Gyara doesn't have access to glare anymore does it
tired sage
nope.
but you can use serperior as a replacement xD
real prairie
nope.
but you can use serperior as a replacement xD
timber falcon
Idk, I’ve done 3 games in a row and all had porygon with ting Lu or iron defence kommo-o
fringe kindle
You sure they weren't all the same person?
timber falcon
This maybe?
timber falcon
You sure they weren't all the same person?
Probs not, all team where different in a way
fringe kindle
Fair
timber falcon
But ran porygon at least
fringe kindle
Gotta check that video, might be interesting
timber falcon
Yeah ima watch it
Yeah lol
They all used that exact set
Poison Tera was all I needed to see
mighty stump
By any chance is there some new Porygon2 team going around
Yep
Its the spanish 6
Alex Gomez/Eric Rios ran it
timber falcon
ah ok
timber falcon
crazy how ppl immediately switch up so fast
although it seems like all u need is taunt and u good
mighty stump
That's the story of Reg F atm.
timber falcon
out of 2 of the teams i went against i won mainly cause of taunt
real prairie
Everyone wants to copy something that already works, its the creative ones that are usually on top first
mighty stump
Creativity and originality is overrated
timber falcon
Everyone wants to copy something that already works, its the creative ones that ...
yeah im not a fan of this copying thing, cause its not the team that will win it for u its the player
mighty stump
You missed the point
timber falcon
u need to know how to pilot ur team
mighty stump
It's not about being creative or original
It's making accurate metacalls relative to the current meta and what matchups you'll encounter
timber falcon
It's making accurate metacalls relative to the current meta and what matchups yo...
this works too
mighty stump
You can be as creative and original as you want with whatever unique pick but a shitmon is still a shitmon
And if you can't justify its usage into overall MUs then theres no point either
timber falcon
You can be as creative and original as you want with whatever unique pick but a ...
in some cases u can make a shitmon useful
mighty stump
But it's still a shitmon that a different better slot can be used
timber falcon
i guess
mighty stump
To improve the same if not more MUs
People try to be creative for the sake of being quirky and unique and original and 90% of the time those are the people I see fail the most cause it's purely biased attempts
timber falcon
People try to be creative for the sake of being quirky and unique and original a...
i feel targeted
mighty stump
Most people probably will.
timber falcon
i just like the versatility of smeargle
mighty stump
It's not even a bad thing
It's just don't tout your pick as an objectively good pick when everything else says otherwise
That's the most irksome part of things.
timber falcon
id say my problem is i feel incapable of piloting any team except minr
mighty stump
If people wanna showcase picks and justify it;s use by all means but don't say it's splashable and good and meta-breaking
timber falcon
what does splashable mean?
mighty stump
Enters a team and almost always adds a ton of value/can never go wrong teambuilding with it.
Mons like Flutter/Incineroar/Amoonguss.
timber falcon
thanks for the info
shrewd crown
I gotta say, I kinda like Male Indeedee teams in Regulation F. not gonna win every match, but their expanding force hits hard when done right
in a few match's the opponent mistakes it for a female indeedee and taunts it, only to waste a turn doing that
timber falcon
https://pokepast.es/aba54d0e58fcf1ab im working on my team building skills, heres a team i made rq any thoughts?
willow vault
Why Zapdos in particular?
willow vault
With Urshifu-Dark as it lacks sash it’s forced into clicking sucker punch into flutter as otherwise it immediately dies, and Incineroar lacks a resistance to fairy meaning it still takes significant damage
I don’t know the calc of the top of my head but I think flutter lives sucker punch by using Tera fairy
timber falcon
yeah after 2 games
near crag
Can anyone help me on how to take flutter mane out? this is my current team https://pokepast.es/942da9eb96e5e6b9, and everytime a flutter mane faces me, I get swept
timber falcon
dark ursh needs sash lol
willow vault
Can anyone help me on how to take flutter mane out? this is my current team http...
Well yeah you have 4 fairy weaknesses and only 2 resistances
timber falcon
would tailwind surging not to the trick?
omg armourouge is everywhere in low elo games
willow vault
Probably suggest switching out raging bolt for Entei as it still fits the priority spam you have going, and also tailwind + surging would work almost all the time
Yeah
willow vault
omg armourouge is everywhere in low elo games
Dondozo goes crazy on low ladder
near crag
Well yeah you have 4 fairy weaknesses and only 2 resistances
One of the two mons that resist fairy takes super effective damage from ghost, and the other one doesn't do anything against it
willow vault
Also why do you have trick room on whimsicott?
willow vault
One of the two mons that resist fairy takes super effective damage from ghost, a...
You could bring in Ogerpon hearthflame, it would OHKO flutter consistantly with Tera boost
near crag
Also why do you have trick room on whimsicott?
I don't have other mons to use tr on, and it's convenient to have a way of reseting it
timber falcon
ima try a dozo tea i think
willow vault
You don’t need trick room to reset trick room in order to beat trick room, a combination of intimidate, dark types and protect beats most trick room team if you pilot the team properly
willow vault
ima try a dozo tea i think
Ok
willow vault
ima try a dozo tea i think
Main suggestions would be to use rocky helmet dondozo to break focus sash’s and to use scarf tatsugiri to maximise its value.
timber falcon
yeah scarf tatsu was the plan
near crag
Main suggestions would be to use rocky helmet dondozo to break focus sash’s and ...
I really like the dozo flamigo duo
willow vault
yeah scarf tatsu was the plan
Oh and Tera grass on dondozo really helps the amoongus matchup
timber falcon
yeah was gonna do that too
willow vault
I really like the dozo flamigo duo
It’s tough to consistantly use as you have to sack 2 mins to get in that position
willow vault
yeah was gonna do that too
Cool good luck to you
timber falcon
do i run water veil?
willow vault
Water veil?
willow vault
No, either unaware or oblivious
timber falcon
ok
near crag
perish song is a easy way to kill tatsu, while forcing the other team to use two turns to switch the pokemon, plus showing at least one of the mons in the back
willow vault
Burn is not particularly common
timber falcon
perish song is a easy way to kill tatsu, while forcing the other team to use two...
its also not that common
willow vault
perish song is a easy way to kill tatsu, while forcing the other team to use two...
For this to work, you couldn’t bring gothitelle + dondozo tatsugiri and flamingo with a perish song setter
misty helm
so I'm thinking of using a kingdra but I don't know which ability would be better also would it still have enough bulk to take a hit for rain dance in the current meta game
willow vault
So you don’t even get a kill for your two deaths
willow vault
so I'm thinking of using a kingdra but I don't know which ability would be bette...
What are the abilities
misty helm
What are the abilities
sniper and swift swim
willow vault
For a rain team use swift swim
fallen garden
Dragon cheer sniper is probably funny
willow vault
It’s speed is middling so without it, you often won’t get an attack with flutter mane running around
misty helm
for a non rain team though sniper would be better
mighty stump
Could just hold Scope Lens and run Swift Swim
willow vault
ima try a dozo tea i think
Do you want me to send my dozo team into the chat, it’s not perfect but it could be a useful starting point for you?
timber falcon
Do you want me to send my dozo team into the chat, it’s not perfect but it could...
sure
near crag
So you don’t even get a kill for your two deaths
Only one mon dies, and even though there are no kills, the two nescessary switches by the other team, help tatsu to be alive until dozo comes in. gothitelle isn't mandatory, it could be a second option, in case the team wants to run perish trap instead of dozo
willow vault
misty helm
if I were to not use rain synergy what would you suggest
tired sage
if I were to not use rain synergy what would you suggest
for what context…?
willow vault
Only one mon dies, and even though there are no kills, the two nescessary switch...
sure, try it if you want, I wont stop you
willow vault
https://pokepast.es/5d1fcd69106f197c Here's Chuppa Cross's Dozo team
thats a way better team, I just didn't have the paste
tired sage
dozogiri…
willow vault
dozogiri…
<:RowletCrying:702513730201714819>
yeah, thats the best way to use dondozo
chrome knot
no shit…
mighty stump
Well
There's still Dozo/Ting yawntrapping
I know the Japanese still like that one
tired sage
dozogiri is….
boring
mighty stump
You can almost say that about any paired mons though
willow vault
There's still Dozo/Ting yawntrapping
that was an interesting idea, I couldn't use it I lacked the skills required to use the team
willow vault
dozogiri is….
boring <:poliwhirlkek:932149535311015988>
ok
misty helm
tired sage
tera normal explosion banded eleki and tera flying heat wave specs harcanine
misty helm
what are my options here
willow vault
i’m making stupid teams xD
clearly
willow vault
https://pokepast.es/e726f77333cccd55
you dont have rain dance on the kingdra so why have it hold the damp rock?
chrome knot
you talk weird
willow vault
you talk weird
ok? What do you mean
misty helm
you dont have rain dance on the kingdra so why have it hold the damp rock?
yes I do have rain dance on it
willow vault
oh I cant read fair enough
still would be better to have a designated rain dance setter such as pelipper or even tornadus if you want
misty helm
conversely I could use agility instead of rain
willow vault
you could but youll almost certainly die trying to set up an agility
tired sage
you talk weird
it’s my thing xD
i talk weird builds and even weirder pokemon hehe
willow vault
you talk weird
I still want to know why I talk weird in your opinion. Just so I can not bother changing my speech patterns.
misty helm
okay so you recommend actually using a separate rain setter and swift swim is better regardless
near crag
is excadrill good outside of sand teams?
willow vault
no
willow vault
okay so you recommend actually using a separate rain setter and swift swim is be...
yes
willow vault
ok then
chrome knot
I still want to know why I talk weird in your opinion. Just so I can not bother ...
k?
willow vault
https://pokepast.es/18bde607cc6414b6
yeah…
what does adrenaline orb do?
willow vault
I have no idea
tired sage
no
tired sage
what does adrenaline orb do?
i’m not using defiant as a intimidate deterrent.
i’m trying to use it to my advantage as much a i can
dapper crag
SableyeBot version 4.25.1
karmic temple
I feel like you could probably change some of the speed evs into more bulk if you’re running that. But you’re entirely dependent on intims
tired sage
well i have tera as well but yeah i guess you’re right
misty helm
https://pokepast.es/10a01ce96f9b94af do you think this would make a good support for a mono dragon team
charred saddle
@mighty stump dah ni
fringe kindle
Okay so I was kind of messing around with the Minior thing because for some reason people do not like it when you tell them to use a nonmeta Mon
But its apparently in UU?
Which is pretty based ngl
real prairie
I'm seeing a lot of usage of bulky luster purge Latios, it's so annoying, why does it feel like that move does so much damage
timber falcon
Never seen it in my life
Also it does that much damage probs thanks to soul dew
x1.3 it’s dragon and psychics moves
maiden oak
Has anyone ever seen someone use the "Jacoba" Berry?
maiden oak
Also it does that much damage probs thanks to soul dew
It damages a physical attacker after contact
@fallen garden basically a single use rocky helmet
timber falcon
It damages a physical attacker after contact
Soul dew does that?
fallen garden
Is it more damage than a rocky helmet? Or strictly worse helmet?
fallen garden
Soul dew does that?
They replied to the wrong person
timber falcon
Oh ok
karmic temple
Has anyone ever seen someone use the "Jacoba" Berry?
It is not worth the item slot
maiden oak
@fallen garden it's less damage than rocky helmet lol
@karmic temple Yeah, but I like finding use in bad things so I'll mess around with it
karmic temple
You’re shooting yourself in the foot
One time proc for rocky helmet vs just equipping it
graceful pelican
@maiden oak you could use it on some unburden Pokémon, I dunno... hwalicha ?? As a way to eat a fake out procs unburden sweep. Seems a bit complex
supple ether
Mirror herb and weakness policy are better for gimmicks -- and dont forget you still flinch if using jaboca
A seed+terrain setter is what Ive seen unburden mons run
Tho generally it's mid at best
graceful pelican
Actually sceptile has unburden🤠
Some times you gotta just embrace the item and try come up with solutions rather than better options
timber falcon
Mirror herb and weakness policy are better for gimmicks -- and dont forget you s...
weakness policy just seems good on mons with many weaknesses but high bulk, like ttar
supple ether
Maybe 
I usually see it as a problem with the partner than the mon. Beatup whimsicott works, aquajet dracloak works, surf dusclops works; even pin missle jolteon
Water shuriken used to work
timber falcon
ive seen water shuricken smeargle + archaludon b4
mighty stump
Since when
supple ether
Since conception
timber falcon
Too bad archaludon is ass <:wheeze:711155370655219722>
nuh uh
mighty stump
Tera Fairy for Archaludon is free lol
timber falcon
arch done right is good
supple ether
On god Ive never seen it do anything above mid-tier
mighty stump
You eat Flutter comfortably anyways
timber falcon
ofc agaisnt me most archaludons i see are easily dominated
supple ether
Damn lmao
supple ether
80% win rate iirc
timber falcon
iirc means?
supple ether
If i recall correctly
timber falcon
oh ok
mighty stump
80% chance to win against a random opponent weighted
timber falcon
wild
mighty stump
but i.e. also 80% ++ WR
timber falcon
my wr is always below 60
mighty stump
Archaludon is based
supple ether
Send the set 
mighty stump
Archaludon @ Assault Vest
Ability: Stamina
Level: 50
Tera Type: Grass
EVs: 252 HP / 12 Def / 4 SpA / 236 SpD / 4 Spe
Modest Nature
- Snarl
- Body Press
- Breaking Swipe
- Flash Cannon
timber falcon
Archaludon @ Assault Vest
Ability: Stamina
Level: 50
Tera Type: Grass
EV...
oh god it learns snarl?
karmic temple
What dragon doesn’t
fallen garden
<@616807081881894947> it's less damage than rocky helmet lol
So it's not even worth a jank recyclele strat
tired sage
But its apparently in UU?
for singles?
yeah of course
real prairie
weakness policy just seems good on mons with many weaknesses but high bulk, like...
Weakness policy multi scale bulky dragonite is fun
If you have roost too you can keep reactivating multi scale
karmic temple
Weakness policy multi scale bulky dragonite is fun
Intimidate says good bye wp buffs
real prairie
Run SpAtk Dragonite
But also weakness policy dragonite Vs intimidate > dragonite without weakness policy
strange fjord
why not weakness policy dragonite with inner focus ;D
timber falcon
Run SpAtk Dragonite
why would anyone do this
timber falcon
Intimidate says good bye wp buffs
inner focus, and intimidate only taking away one
dull ibex
Hello
tired sage
Intimidate says good bye wp buffs
symbiosis clear amulet says hello 
blazing harbor
whats a good team with hisuian zoroark
karmic temple
inner focus, and intimidate only taking away one
Talking about multiscale ability
timber falcon
Talking about multiscale ability
why would one ever use this for vgc
assuming this is vgc we are talking about
blazing harbor
is clodsire falinks slither wing hisuian zoroark galvantula reuniclus and hydrapple a good team
fallen garden
that's 7 mons
tired sage
why would one ever use this for vgc
pspspsppspspspspspspsps
Lugia tho-
in swsh vgc
fallen garden
you had clodsire in your other post
blazing harbor
you had clodsire in your other post
lemme just remove 1
fallen garden
falinks struggles in vgc, especially when flutter mane is so popular
blazing harbor
falinks struggles in vgc, especially when flutter mane is so popular
no retreat and not vgc