competitive_discussion

[fringe kindle]

Like, Entei Raikou and Suicune

The Legendary Beasts

[tired sage]

oh

[fringe kindle]

I mean they probably have a different squad name but I don't remember it I just call them the beasts lol

[mighty stump]

Elemental dogs or something

I don't remember

[fringe kindle]

Nah it's fine

Although they definitely aren't dogs

Or at least Raikou and Suicune aren't, not sure about Entei

[karmic temple]

Tell that to my good boy Entei

[fringe kindle]

Well I gotta find your good boy Entei first lol

[mighty stump]

Shiny hunt it.

[fringe kindle]

Thats what I'm doing lol

Just gotta farm some money for more health items and Pokeballs first

[slim hazel]

Is a glimmora with Heavy-Duty Boots light screen mortal spin reflect and stealth rocks good

And what is a good nature for it

[signal mulch]

Is anyone interested in doing gym challenges?

[lethal thistle]

https://pokepast.es/1f814ddbb1f790bd thoughts?

would like advice for building ogerpons EV spread

[fallen garden]

for vgc? no, I don't think so

but even for singles, why would you use your boots on the setup mon

glimmora is immune to toxic spikes and resists stealth rock

better off giving boots to a flying, bug, or fire mon

if you're talking VGC, Glimmora would rather run other moves. I know Meteor Beam is somewhat popular atm

[slim hazel]

I don't do vgc I'm just trying to make a some what decent set up pokemon

[smoky hawk]

Heavy duty boots isn't even used in VGC. Not enough hazards.

[slim hazel]

Also someone told me to use boots

[smoky hawk]

Must be a singles player

[mighty stump]

You can refer to Pikalytics if you want generalist sets for a playthrough.

[smoky hawk]

What KOs does stellar chien-pao get that ghost tera does not?

[mighty stump]

Some Flutters, to start

[balmy glen]

A lot of flutters tbh lol

[mighty stump]

Sacred Sword on Darkshifu

[molten oasis]

Alright

[mighty stump]

Welcome back

[molten oasis]

https://pokepast.es/a355e9113d7100e9 thoughts on some members for this

[molten oasis]

Yea trying to figure this shit out before my test (it is not for 20 minutes)

Anyway, core is centered on pivoting with Hydra incin and shifu

And then flutter is there for an espeed switch in

For now

[smoky hawk]

Considering my current team has so much priority, I'll keep chien-pao ghost because knocking out flutters and other fast threats shouldn't be an issue

[karmic temple]

Looks good hydrapple will carry

[mighty stump]

Probably just run Helping Hand Farigiraf

Lol

[molten oasis]

I wish

[molten oasis]

I already tried it didn’t do shit

Here hold on

https://pokepast.es/80d19157961c90f1

I played with this variant for a bit, Ursa and Fari felt shit

The other 4 were ok

[karmic temple]

Why infestation instead of like pollen puff or flash cannon

[molten oasis]

It doesn’t get flash cannon

And infestation was something I was trying out, might do pollen puff or even Tera blast

[karmic temple]

Oh you know what I was thinking toedscruel for flash cannon

I liked pollen puff if you can get another anchor Pokémon to just sit on the field

I tried hydra+ hands and heatran but hydra was a tera hog for me in like 7/10 match ups

[molten oasis]

Well it’s a Tera hog

[kind ember]

Can ursaluna counter muk evasion strategies

[mighty stump]

Yea, only Bloodmoon Ursaluna

[bold geode]

How

[kind ember]

Minds eye

[dapper crag]

Ability: Mind's Eye

This Pokemon can hit Ghost types with Normal- and Fighting-type moves. Prevents other Pokemon from lowering this Pokemon's accuracy stat stage. This Pokemon ignores a target's evasiveness stat stage.

SableyeBot version 4.25.1

[bold geode]

Oh I didn't know that part

[cyan smelt]

Ursaluna bm is broken

[nocturne holly]

I didn’t know it ignored accuracy and shit

[next stump]

https://youtu.be/tPb3Hhv28Fw?si=Nqfgx2DNNBvj76wM

very cool concept

final result

[karmic temple]

@young fable your rental doesn’t follow the format 😔

[mighty stump]

Removed, thanks

[gentle crag]

woodtofu has given 1 Gen Rep to chriscastiel

[next stump]

DO NOT LOCK IN YOUR TEAM UNLESS YOU ARE CERTAIN YOU WANT TO USE IT, 99% SURE YOU CANT EDIT IT https://twitter.com/serebiinet/status/1750307499159261467?s=46&t=fDxHQLlKCKU_ddfszOAZ6w

Serebii.net (@SerebiiNet) on X

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Twitter · Jan 25, 2024, 12:00 AM

[rustic mountain]

jus watched this vid, was dope af

[mighty stump]

Tree guess wat

[rustic mountain]

yo

wat

[mighty stump]

I hit 80% GXE for the first time in my entire VGC career

[rustic mountain]

hell yea dude thats awesome

[karmic temple]

If we signed up for any limitless tours we would’ve connected our Nintendo and pokemon account right or would I want to double check for cp

[rustic mountain]

cookin up some heat for the gc?

[mighty stump]

Gonna use said team

Might tweak it a bit

[rustic mountain]

nice

[mighty stump]

But it should work out pretty alright

[rustic mountain]

idk wtf imma use yet

yea seems like u know ur shit w/ it, comfort is mad important especially for a clown fiesta like the gc

[mighty stump]

ong

[karmic temple]

Me going moody Muk for gc just to be annoying

[rustic mountain]

thx for the points

[brazen bough]

I watched this video must say it was an amazing watch

and i cant wait to see how restricted turns out

[next stump]

bring back reg B

[brazen bough]

what was reg b again

[next stump]

no ruins, no DLC, no HOME

[knotty mirage]

Why not reg A isn't that reg better

[brazen bough]

so like literal reg b or reg b with the mons that are included in dlc

[next stump]

i hate dozo

[knotty mirage]

Reg B as far as i remember is just fluttermane spam

[next stump]

every reg is flutter spam tbf

[brazen bough]

Dozo is what real chads run

[knotty mirage]

Oh yeah dozogiri do dominate reg A like really bad

[brazen bough]

actually when did flutter mane explode in usage

because i remember hearing that at first ppl thought it was just ok

[knotty mirage]

I mean i guess so but at least it easier to get rid of flutter now

Unlike on reg B

[bold geode]

Alright
I can now say something guys

I need some hype

Some Monke hype

[gentle crag]

https://dollarmonke.wordpress.com/
Hey guys, dollarmonke here! I have big announcement at least for me.
I have recently started a blog! Yes a blog
This blog will be centered around competitive Pokemon in the VGC format and will range from analysis of meta or of VGC regionals to teams I conjure up. I already have 3 posts out: 1st being old and at the start of VGC Regulation F, and the other two being analysis of the Portland and Charlotte regionals respectively. I will also have more content out soon. I hope y'all enjoy reading!

dollarmonke (ID 817628066020065280)

[Embed Link](#self_promotion message) to #self_promotion

Command triggered by dollarmonke. Message from · Jan 25, 2024, 1:54 AM

[bold geode]

Oh I'm dumb I did it wrong my bad (still new to it all)

Oh maybe that wasn't the best idea

Point is #self_promotion
I got blog now

[karmic temple]

Nice monke

Proud of u

Now post what you’re cooking with

[bold geode]

Yeah
Now I wish Rotom would go bye bye with that
My intentions wasn't to flood the chat with that big message lmao

[bold geode]

Soon

Coming soon to theaters

[karmic temple]

Dollar theaters

🤭🤭 jkjk

[bold geode]

#rental_teams theaters lol

In fact, I already got stuff set up, I just gotta do blog post lol
Was waiting for other things before I started on that

[smoky hawk]

3 things that make me very upset:

• world hunger
• seeing an abandoned shopping cart in a parking spot
• knowing neither the rotom forms nor eeveelutions are competitive

[chrome knot]

theyre all kinda ugly

[bold geode]

Now the shopping cart, how you know it ain't just parked bro
Someone could've drove that thing

[smoky hawk]

Driving around a shopping cart was always fun

[next stump]

good luck to anyone registering for Vancouver

[rustic mountain]

based

reg a and b really couldve used more time to develop

[rustic mountain]

theres always 1 person making sylveon work every format. also umbreon usually gets better w/ restricted formats

[dull ibex]

@mighty stump you around? wanted to ask how hard your team is too pilot

is it straightfoward enough that I could pilot it okay

[steel raft]

man i suck at competitive
cant even beat a single casual match

[karmic temple]

That means it’s time to take a break and come back with a new team

#rental_teams has plenty you can try and see which best suits you

[steel raft]

i dont wanna just use someone else's team i wanna have my own team

i got branding i need to use
i aint seen a single barraskewda there

[karmic temple]

It’s so frail 😭 it’s got nothing but speed and a dream

[mental bolt]

New VGC Ranked battle coming out tonight!
https://youtu.be/BkwY5bCAgj4

[steel raft]

oh come on ofc
when it looks like i might win
the opponent disconnects
coward

[ionic shell]

anyone has a breakdown for wolfe's team?

[chrome knot]

his patreon does

[ashen ridge]

Anyone on here willing to give me any tips or ideas while I build a singles team? Please PM me and I'll tell you what I've got so far

[pseudo wigeon]

Anyone want to build together for Global Challenge?

[cyan smelt]

i'm not seeing many dondozos or smeargle/muk in higher ladder so i think i need to replace clodsire in my team for something that deals with ursa bm

[fiery escarp]

Do I run 252+ spe wellspring to speedtie the 252+ spe aloslash in snow?

Or is that overkill

[gentle delta]

I have absolutely popped off building for GC1

[tough idol]

Lol just had an opponent ragequit Turn 1 because my Indeedee blocked all the Priority from Whimsicott and Entei

[ashen ridge]

I'm just starting to get into pvp. Can you tell me what this chart represents?

[next stump]

it looks like some kind of draft league

[ashen ridge]

Interesting. Seeing that my previous message isn't getting any response. Could you tell me a resource I could use to guide me towards what I need to consider building for pvp? Also how to play get into pvp

[next stump]

I don’t play singles 😦 So I wouldn’t be able to help with specific builds and ideas

I only play VGC

[ashen ridge]

Fair enough.

[tough idol]

Team registered, all packed bar my Switch

[next stump]

so exciting 🙂 are you traveling today

[tough idol]

Tomorrow aftetnoon

[next stump]

do they have friday check-in for EU regionals?

[tough idol]

Think I can check in Friday evening, I'll check email lol

First loss of the day Basculegion Rain Team

Omg 1 turn sleep comeback

[gentle delta]

Whats the team 👀

[tough idol]

https://pokepast.es/ec6b444e88eee640

[brazen bough]

Thats a really good call gl

[tough idol]

Team courtesy of @lofty tartan

[tough idol]

Lol did not expect Tera Blast Water Fluttermane

[real prairie]

Aside from Smogon that has lots of resources, try watch some of the Shuckle Premier League, its a single battles draft league.

[real prairie]

Pyschic terrain is easily the most broken of the terrains lol

[cobalt axle]

Hello I want to create this team but don’t have access to Ursaluna cause I don’t have legends Arceus.Any suggestions to replace it? https://pokepast.es/abdde4948f3d7b9d

[brazen bough]

bloodmoon ursaluna

[cobalt axle]

I already caught mine and it’s unfortunately not 0 iv in speed.
Can rhyperior fill this role?

[oblique sigil]

If I sucker punch and the opponents target my partner does my sucker punch still triggered? Or they have to be attacking the user for it to work

[grizzled bronze]

as long as they're attacking it should work

doesn't need to target the sucker punch user

[mighty stump]

You probably won't hit the same level of KOs

I'd just suggest to trade with someone

[brazen bough]

btw i was watching a moxieboosted video he said that ting lu is anti meta do you agree that it could be anti meta? because i know he has some wild takes sometimes

[mighty stump]

Meh

Ting-Lu needs a lot of help

[cobalt axle]

Why not? They have the same attack stat and rhyperior is slower than Ursaluna so should be good under trick room

[brazen bough]

like as in damage support?

[mighty stump]

because Guts + Facade means Ursaluna gets a natural +1 and a STAB 140 BP move.

[brazen bough]

because in that case howl gouging could work really well

[cobalt axle]

Solid argument thanks

[gentle crag]

skivory has given 1 Gen Rep to woodtofu

[mighty stump]

You're kinda forced to run Clear Amulet for that

I don't think it'll be bad, cause Ting-Lu can be alright for Flutter stuff as well

I'm just wary of running bulky slowmons

If they don't have any true utility

[brazen bough]

its gonna be on a scream tails tr team

[mighty stump]

Just make sure to invest in SpDef first for Ting-Lu.

[brazen bough]

k

[mighty stump]

ehhh

I wouldnt say its hard lol

Just gotta lead properly

[bold geode]

New rental post baby

[oblique sigil]

Alr ty!

[gentle crag]

mightiezz has given 1 Gen Rep to taiki._.

[bold geode]

Hello EJC

Also is acommpanied by a new blogpost so check it out #rental_teams or #self_promotion

There we go that's better

[feral wraith]

Hi Monke

[bold geode]

How you

[feral wraith]

Good just working and doing a Suicune DA

[bold geode]

[brazen bough]

https://pokepast.es/4afc848af7083bc3 what would be good last 2 here

[tough idol]

Easiest Master Ball entry match I've ever had

Belly Drum Azu, Archaludon, Chien Pao, Clefairy

I ran Deedee Crown, Lando & Torn I

[tepid fiber]

i need help building a team

i want u build with bloodmoon urslauna

[lofty tartan]

You've got this

[karmic temple]

Todays project snorlax kinda weak imo

[mighty stump]

rlly

i thought it was rlly clean

maybe not intense

but clean

[karmic temple]

It’s clean for sure Idk I think it just reminds me of like fan art

[whole ibex]

Project Snorlax?

[whole ibex]

Yeah like one time he talked about how Rabsca could finally be good if it got EF. It ended up getting EF but we have seen nothing with Rabsca.

I am a bit surprised we haven’t much from it tbh

[molten oasis]

I started the hydra stuff mf why are you the CEO of Hydrapple

[karmic temple]

???!

Pls I thought that was you and wondered why your color changed

[whole ibex]

Cause I enjoyed Hydrapple more?

[molten oasis]

[whole ibex]

This my username in Moxie’s Server too

And most of have a “CEO” in our names

[molten oasis]

I see

Well I’m also the snow guy here so

Guess I’ll do this, I still started Hydrapple stuff

[whole ibex]

I mean I was day 0 as well.

I just found out you were talking about I figure to team up

[molten oasis]

I started cooking hydra stuff day 1 of the dlc

[whole ibex]

This like like 2 twins trying to say who was born first.

[molten oasis]

true

so, let's leave it at we started at the same time

I'm going to go get homework done

glad you enjoy hydra more than I do

[elfin flower]

Controversial topic, but WHOSE IDEA WAS IT TO BAN SLEEP??? It’s a core game mechanic that can be fixed by sleep clause in showdown and can be used whenever in game, but why did they get rid of it in ALL Gen 9 competitive game modes? Also, if hypnosis was the problem, why not ban that?

[mighty stump]

Just a reminder that Smogon doesn't have anything to do with the official Pokemon Ranked ladder in-game

[elfin flower]

Ik. Is there a different smogon chat?

[mighty stump]

No, just making sure.

[elfin flower]

I knew that from the start

[mighty stump]

It's not uncommon to have people mistake Smogon for the ruling body of official Pokemon esports

And assuming it applies in-game.

[dull ibex]

vc?

[whole ibex]

I was half joking but thanks ig?

[gentle crag]

soggywaffles6251 has given 1 Gen Rep to drayagedrago

[molten oasis]

mhmm

[whole ibex]

So I been hearing the people been putting speed in Ursaluna BM is that true?

[tepid fiber]

i need help with a team plz i have a torny i want to play in 5 day and don’t have a team

would like to build arounf bm urslauna

[next stump]

some are running modest yeah

[whole ibex]

Why is that?

[next stump]

works better outside of TR, min speed really only affects the mirror matchup

[next stump]

take a look at some of the Charlotte regional teams

[tepid fiber]

i have but don’t want to copy fully but

[mighty stump]

I've seen Max Speed Ursaluna too atp.

[next stump]

Alex Soto’s shoes for this weekend

he’s winning the regional for sure lmao

[mighty stump]

@gentle delta instant ping lmao

[gentle delta]

I saw on twit lol

So cute

[whole ibex]

Yeah, my friend has been talking about it and I’m like “No it’s a TR mon” but apparently people been using speed investment

What are you out speed anyways? Incin?

[mighty stump]

Usually you're also going for Tailwind stuff.

[whole ibex]

Oh

[chrome knot]

NEEEDDDD

except instead of hatt have lilligant

[nocturne holly]

That works so fucking well lmaoo

I think he might bring a tr team 🤔🤔

[whole ibex]

Wait are you using a Tailroom team right?

[mighty stump]

Dunno yet.

[bold geode]

Are those colored or how are those done?

[rustic mountain]

[solid trail]

I need help w/ the Last Elite 4 And The Champion battle cuz I'm precautious so what team is recommended?

[chrome knot]

@mighty stump im the champion of the world

[karmic temple]

Yeah someone drew it

[mighty stump]

I agree

[shell sandal]

sotospam fr

[chrome knot]

did you see me

did you see the announcement cx

[shell sandal]

dont ask. Genuinely its more fun to do that part all by yourself

competitive? sure, but in game battles its a different experience figuring it out without a guide

[whole ibex]

^

[mighty stump]

Ofc

[chrome knot]

if you watch the replays like i slayed

absolute girlboss on day 1 of hrt

[mighty stump]

human roasting technique

[bold geode]

Me hungy

[chrome knot]

im the psyspam championnnnnnn

[mighty stump]

starve

[mighty stump]

lmao

[chrome knot]

lilligant queen

[bold geode]

I ate bitch
Ha got em

[dull ibex]

Don't

[nocturne holly]

ceo of rillaboom??

[nocturne holly]

Snapchat copy smh

[bold geode]

Lmao

Me when I get 4 flinches off of Rock Slide in a row

[nocturne holly]

Fr

[hot kettle]

Is scarlet and violet good for making comp mons like sword and shield?

[fallen garden]

it's not too bad especially if you have the ogre oustin dlc

[uncut cosmos]

It's pretty easy yeah

0a 0spe legend just as annoying as usual otherwise nothing hard

[hot kettle]

Lets say for example I wanted to make a comp mon that's also in sword and shield would it be potentially worth it to make it in sword and shield if you're already set up there?

Also how many dlcs are there I don't have this game dunno why but I've had an epiphany to play this game

[fallen garden]

there's just the one dlc

[hot kettle]

Oh okay that's good

[fallen garden]

imo if you already have things set up in swsh, no reason not to use those resources

[hot kettle]

Also I remember in swsh that pokemon being shiny gave you a very slight advantage because the timer wouldn't go down while it does it shiny animation is that still a thing or has the shiny animation been cut down as well?

[next stump]

we're talking maybe two to three extra seconds lol

[next stump]

took me 2 hours but I finally found a marked min speed litten

got an early riser mark too, pretty pog

[dull haven]

Grats

[dapper crag]

Quick question, should my Farigiraf be 0 Spe IV for comp doubles?

[strange fjord]

ye

[dapper crag]

wow that is amazing bro congratz

whoops forgot to unping mb

[next stump]

It doesn’t have to be, it depends on how you’re using it and the context of your team

some teams use farigarif mostly as a priority blocker and an imprisoner, i would not run 0SPE on that

if you’re partnering next to blood moon and looking to sweep under TR, probably 0SPE

[dapper crag]

I want to use it like him, so under TR ursaluna

[next stump]

I’m personally running 2SPE so that my 0SPE incineroar can knock off assault vests and sitrus berries for me

[dapper crag]

currently soft resetting for a 0 spe IV bloodmoon

I was realy impressed how he piloted his team so I wanna build one similar but with other mons

[dapper crag]

Thanks bro

[gentle crag]

clare.exe has given 1 Gen Rep to mlbd

[dapper crag]

It would be good for the mirrors too, having to speed tie is better

[next stump]

good luck on the Ursa, I hope it doesn’t take too long

[dapper crag]

on #6 atm

It's a 1/32 so I could be here a while lol

1/1280 for 0atk 0spe but I won't go for that as foul play/confusion is not realy relevant in doubles

unless pecharunt becomes legal in doubles in the future kek

[chrome knot]

@next stump wanna see a new accolade I picked up today

[next stump]

sure 🙂

[next stump]

0 and 1IV end up giving you the same final stat

so make sure you check your decent ones

[dapper crag]

ursa is 77 speed on caught if 0/1 then correct?

or is that on level 50

[next stump]

I am not sure if 0 and 1 are the same at the level you catch ursaluna

but they are the same at level 50

[hot orbit]

Hi im 10-0 on switch ranked matches with this team. I feel like its all been luck but if you would make any changes what would it be? https://pokepast.es/3c18828ad2eb46eb

[lofty tartan]

It doesn't make much sense ot have Tera Blast Fairy on Pixilate Sylveon when you'd be better off just running Moonblast.

Tera Blast is beter suited when you go to a different tera type and use it as coverage. You're basically running a worse Flutter Mane at this point

[dapper crag]

Would you take 4IV Speed bloodmoon or keep trying? @next stump

the stat would be 53 at level 50 speed reduced nature

[next stump]

I’d personally keep trying

[whole ibex]

I’m about to bitch 😭. I was literally one stat away from from getting 0 speed and 0 attack

0 Attack is 103 but the speed is is off by ONE stat

[next stump]

is that 2IV speed

because 1IV speed is equivalent to 0

[brazen bough]

yeah

thats 2

3 is 79

[dapper crag]

yeah you are right, it's 2 stat points higher so

[brazen bough]

you dont really need 0 spe iv 0 atk

[dapper crag]

0 attack for doubles is also a waste of time as almost no one uses foul play or confusion stuff

[brazen bough]

ehh i expect it to go up in restricted maybe

[dapper crag]

for singles however you realy want 0atk 0spe

[dapper crag]

I'll keep trying brother xD

[dapper crag]

btw you got so lucky your odds are 1/1280 btw

that's so good

[whole ibex]

So people are telling me I should still take it

[dapper crag]

0 iv and 1 iv are the same stats at level 50

if you go on showdown you can calc this stuff

[whole ibex]

I know but even 1 Iv in speed bumps it up

[dapper crag]

no it doesn't bro

see same stat at 51

at 2 iv it does go up

it's literally perfect

[whole ibex]

Oh

I put it at level 70 my apologies

[dapper crag]

look how good a roll you got

[dapper crag]

it happens UwU

enjoy your beast brother

wish me luck, I am hunting mine rn

[whole ibex]

About so about The Bear..

Ok hypothetically, how can I undo resetting the game

[dapper crag]

I don't understand what you mean

[whole ibex]

Read it again

[dapper crag]

wait did you reset before saving?

[whole ibex]

Umm

[dapper crag]

biggest L ever holy

goodbye 1/1280 odds lol

[whole ibex]

Gotcha!

[dapper crag]

https://tenor.com/view/pepe-crying-cry-tears-sad-gif-15565723

I am glad you still got it, that woulda honestly made me uninstall SV

[dapper crag]

What team are you gonna build with it?

Is this the best Incin spread? Can you tell what it would live? @next stump

[whole ibex]

Using it in a Hydrapple team a friend and I made from another Server

[dapper crag]

I was thinking about hydrapple too on mine but I ended up with something like this

https://pokepast.es/49a842c0369f5dc3

I do wanna build a hydrapple/bloodmoon variant also

choices of fake out/TR/TW/redirection

and no priority through armor tail

[prisma eagle]

What could be a good support pokemon for SlitherWing?

[bold geode]

Something other than running Slither Wing like at all

[prisma eagle]

But I really want to use it or Iron Valiant

[dapper crag]

can you share the team UwU

[smoky hawk]

Took 2nd out of 14 at my local with my priority team in #rental_teams

[median ibex]

Hi all. I would like opinions on if any of the teams I created would be competitively viable or even if they are just good at all. I have 2 singles and 1 double.

[dapper crag]

good stuff bro

[median ibex]

Do I need to state what my team is first or should I wait for someone to respond

[smoky hawk]

We need a pokepaste of your team to critique it

[median ibex]

Pokepaste? What’s that

[smoky hawk]

First you make the team on pokemon showdown and import it to pokepast.es

[median ibex]

Ok I can do that

Then what

I actually don’t know what to do actually

Smogon is not my forte

Help

[smoky hawk]

Not smogon. Are you in pokemon showdown?

[median ibex]

Yes but what is the difference between all the letters

[cyan smelt]

Go here https://play.pokemonshowdown.com/teambuilder

[median ibex]

But what format should I do

[cyan smelt]

Whichever format your team is for

[median ibex]

And how do I know

[cyan smelt]

It's whichever format you want to play in

Vgc or singles

[median ibex]

I don’t think I understand

[cyan smelt]

You said you had a doubles team and a two singles teams, use vgc 2024 reg f for the doubles team and bss reg f for the singles teams

[median ibex]

Ok

[cyan smelt]

Those are the formats that are on cart

[elder root]

Real quickly, any cool ideas for abusing grass + water pledge?

[smoky hawk]

No one actually does that, so no not really any ideas here

[median ibex]

Untitled 1

https://pokepast.es/de7cd1d439c13d96

Like this?

[molten oasis]

https://pokepast.es/ab8bae7f67888a83

Any suggestions for members? Kingambit can be av or goggles swords dance

Both would work fine

[dapper crag]

THATSA+ONE on Youtube has some pledge teams, he just uploaded a fire/grass pledge team.

I am pretty sure he also did the other pledges but no idea if those were recent or not.

[median ibex]

Ok I have all three teams ready to be evaluated

Untitled 3

https://pokepast.es/b8d381e9e06d9212

Untitled 1

https://pokepast.es/3a6e0485a19290ef

Untitled 2

https://pokepast.es/9357286fac5ae792

[zinc leaf]

Hello! I’m new to competitive Pokémon and need help deciding what to start running, if anyone can help

[median ibex]

What is the consensus

[median ibex]

Please

[rare pumice]

i've got an adamant tyrogue that will have intimidate once it turns into a hitmontop, and i'm really excited to use it, but after doing some testing i've determined that its attack iv is somewhere between 0 and 9. i really don't feel like breeding and i can't use a bottle cap on it. should i keep it?

its hp iv is 10-19, its defense iv is 20-29, its special defense iv is 30-31, and its speed iv is 30-31

[wanton stirrup]

I did it.

[dapper crag]

Nice

Bro I am still hunting ursa lmao please send me good RNG I beg @next stump

I had a 2iv 2 times man

[wanton stirrup]

Me with my 0 speed IV Bloodmoon Ursaluna.

[dapper crag]

I am hunting for that

I am not over odds though (yet)

1/32

also 0 & 1 are the same

if only I had a 1 that time reee

[wanton stirrup]

It’s funny, I spent hours hunting for it and got it, and then never used it.

[dapper crag]

lol

it do be like that sometimes init

[wanton stirrup]

This was actually my first time doing the Doubles Ladder.

I went with Regi and never looked back.

I highly suggest using Regigigas tbh.

[dapper crag]

I love Ggas

[wanton stirrup]

It and Weezing lead so well into so much of the meta I’m shocked I didn’t see another person using it.

[dapper crag]

It was popular in Reg E

[wanton stirrup]

It’s hands down the biggest middle finger to psychic terrain hyper offense.

[dapper crag]

but fell off a lil bit

I wish it was more popular

[wanton stirrup]

I’m surprised it isn’t.

Again, it breaks so much of the meta.

[dapper crag]

I build a whims + worry seed for Ggas

[wanton stirrup]

Also Ggas is actually FASTER than Urshifu.

[dapper crag]

I like worry seed as it counters terrakion

also counter proto mons

in the sun

faster then scarf urshi?

[wanton stirrup]

And since I run mine with max speed, I was able to outright just outspeed Urshifu and one tap it.

[wanton stirrup]

No Scarf is still faster.

[dapper crag]

most run scarf tho if they good

[wanton stirrup]

But.

That’s so easy to get around.

You simply protect Regi and then Will-O-Wisp it with Weezing.

[dapper crag]

it depends

redirection exists

[wanton stirrup]

For that I ran mine with Tera Ghost.

[dapper crag]

firepon is very meta atm

so that whisp is rip

[wanton stirrup]

Also even if Ogerpon redirects you…

Crush Grip still absolutely destroys it.

[dapper crag]

I don't know those calcs but I believe you

but as you said, protect ggas into whisp would not work in that case

[wanton stirrup]

Usually if I smelled a redirect coming, I’d just Tera Ghost, ignore the fighting move and kill it.

[dapper crag]

and you don't ever protect when urshi on field lol

[wanton stirrup]

It’s USUALLY an OHKO.

[dapper crag]

that doesn't work

[wanton stirrup]

Ah ah ah.

Neutralizing Gas my friend.

[dapper crag]

oh yeah true kekekeke

I know it's a super strong combo ggas weezing

[wanton stirrup]

I have run into times where Ogerpon survived with like 1 HP without Sash.

[dapper crag]

prolly ev to live same calcs damage wise maybe

[wanton stirrup]

So it’s either a very low chance to not kill or they just had a slightly bulkier spread(?)

But usually it does kill.

And originally I ran Double Edge instead of Crush Grip.

But I kept running into the issue of taking way way waaaaay too much recoil.

So I then looked at Grip and saw that against a full HP target it’s the same power at DE.

And since DE was one shotting most things anyway, I switched to Grip because then I wouldn’t take 50,000 points of recoil.

And if Crush Grip didn’t kill the target, it left them at very low health to the point where any attack would do it.

[dapper crag]

I like Body Slam personally

I'd run something like Body Slam - Drain Punch - Heavy Slam - Protect with life orb

Fairy tera

[wanton stirrup]

I considered Body Slam, but I wanted as much damage as possible.

My moveset was similar to yours.

[dapper crag]

yeah you can't go wrong with double edge bro

[wanton stirrup]

Crush Grip, Drain Punch, Knock Off, and Protect.

With Life Orb and Ghost Tera.

[dapper crag]

there is also the stellar tera shenanigans with contrary have y seen it?

[wanton stirrup]

Originally it was a Fairy Tera for me too but I found ghost to be just as good if not better in some spots.

[dapper crag]

malamar skill swap

[wanton stirrup]

I haven’t seen any Malamar skill swap, but that sounds funny.

[dapper crag]

you get +1 after attacking it's funny

but to consistently pull that off is pretty hard

[wanton stirrup]

Ghost Tera allows me to completely ignore fighting moves, as well as ignore Bloodmoon Ursaluna’s normal moves as long as Weezing was on the field AND block Fake Out.

[dapper crag]

ghost is always good for normal types yeah

[wanton stirrup]

Tbh I’d say Ghost is better.

Fairy has its strengths but for what Regigigas is trying to do, Ghost allows it to have a lot more opportunities.

[dapper crag]

can't go wrong with that init

[knotty mirage]

Can golurk work on trick room team ?

[dapper crag]

what mons you had in the back btw?

I am guessing flutter

[wanton stirrup]

Golurk might work.

I saw it used on a team I fought in my climb.

[dapper crag]

Golurk in singles?

[knotty mirage]

No double

[wanton stirrup]

However he also didn’t know how Neutralizing Gas worked and proceeded to miss Dynamic Punch since he had no No Guard and then died to Regigigas.

[knotty mirage]

I'm just thinking dynamic punch terra fighting no guard could be really neat

[wanton stirrup]

That’s literally the set I saw.

[dapper crag]

No guard busted yes

[wanton stirrup]

Slap Poltergeist on there too.

[dapper crag]

what is your main TR setter?

I recommend Farigiraf

Armor tail busted

[knotty mirage]

Ussualy i use fem indeedee or cress

[wanton stirrup]

Farigiraf is great yeah.

Blocking enemy Priority is huge.

[dapper crag]

in current meta priority negates are amazing

but you can't go wrong with cress or indeedee also tho

[knotty mirage]

Fair enough prio spam everywhere

[dapper crag]

indeedee the rilla counter and incin counter too

something to think about

[wanton stirrup]

I also saw some people using Registeel on my climb.

[dapper crag]

you have torkoal on team too?

registeel is popular ye the iron def body press sets?

[wanton stirrup]

Main set was Iron Defense, Body Press.

[dapper crag]

ya

[wanton stirrup]

It also walls Flutter Mane.

[dapper crag]

it's the better corv imo

roost corv is not as good no more when cc urshi is meta lol

so regi fills that role a bit better

[knotty mirage]

Here my first try at making trick room team for reg F if youre wondering indeedee should have 252 def not special attack i make an oopsie on the team builder
https://pokepast.es/db8eda3728e452d6

[wanton stirrup]

I also saw a TON of Archaludon in the low ladder.

[dapper crag]

I am trying to build this, any opinions @wanton stirrup

https://pokepast.es/6f137a815f1ae47b

It has everything support wise

[wanton stirrup]

Looks pretty good, both of you. ^^

[dapper crag]

I have Rain Dance instead of taunt because whims is so active rn and is faster

so I can counter proto mons

would you change anything?

[dapper crag]

I recommend specs Primarina tho, hits so hard

throat spray still works and your team looks so fire

[wanton stirrup]

I don’t see anything I would change, no.

[dapper crag]

vacuum wave will catch ppl off guard too

[knotty mirage]

Didn't throat spray boost practicaly just give same power as choice spec

[dapper crag]

not on turn 1 no

with TR you want to be explosive no?

[knotty mirage]

Fair enough but i'm not that good at using choice item

[dapper crag]

it's cool was just a thing I see a lot of specs prima going around

but your team is very well crafted I think regardless

now that I think of it, having a TR setter with protect wouldn't be a bad choice either

to bait as well

sometimes they double up on TR setters

Gl with your games tho bro @knotty mirage hope you have fun

[dapper crag]

nothing you would change? I am open for suggestions

[wanton stirrup]

I mean, it’s hard to make a 100% guess based solely off this. I’d say play a couple matches and if you run into a problem or a mon that gives you issues, try to see what you can change to possibly counter it.

[dapper crag]

yeah for sure, but the fundamentals are there correct?

[wanton stirrup]

Yeah.

[dapper crag]

I got pivots/TR/TW/FO/Redirection

and prio negation

I just haven't checked type chart yet

it's not bad

[charred saddle]

just a general question, does Soak removes STAB by changing the base typing?

[strange fjord]

yes

and adds water to stab

unless they tera before you can soak

since you can't overwrite tera types

[dapper crag]

oh when you say that, makes me think about another question. What if you tera first and attack with protean ability?

[strange fjord]

protean won't activate

[dapper crag]

I see, thanks.

[gentle crag]

clare.exe has given 1 Gen Rep to pizza.time

[strange fjord]

thats why you can spam double shock on pawmot if you are tera electric. you can't lose or change your type once you tera

which i think is pretty neat

[mighty stump]

Rain Dance is almost no value on Tornadus imo

Incineroar is wasting EVs

[dapper crag]

Other option was taunt

[dapper crag]

please tell me

[mighty stump]

When you have 4 stats invested, it one or more of the stats isn't 4+8x

72 EVs = 68 EVs statwise

[dapper crag]

better now?

[mighty stump]

Since Torn is on this team i'd almost suggest not going pure 0 speed on BM URsaluna/Farigiraf, since you're already overall always slower than most balance teams

[dapper crag]

I am 90% not bringing torn but it's there as an option

[mighty stump]

Then why's it on there

[dapper crag]

I thought my main lead would be blood/oger

[mighty stump]

Based of Nicholas Donnelly's team I assume.

[dapper crag]

Yes but my version

[mighty stump]

ooc what are you trying to live with 252/188+ SpDef

Well, Donnelly's version ran speed on BM Ursaluna. I'd also want to start accounting for the mirror

[dapper crag]

I want a 0 speed because I can only get one

also it's better to underspeed

when TR does go up

[mighty stump]

Only if you can guarantee TR.

Lol

I mean

Suit yourself

I just don't see the value of Torn on this team at all then

[dapper crag]

Okay, what would be your 6th?

I am open for feedback but not bashing

[mighty stump]

Urshifu

[dapper crag]

Let's hear some suggestions

[mighty stump]

Easily

[dapper crag]

Yeah I was thinking urshi but wouldn't waterpon clash type wise?

[mighty stump]

Darkshifu exists

[dapper crag]

I don't like dark urshi when armor tail exists

[mighty stump]

? What does being a Dark type and Armor Tail have to do with anything

[dapper crag]

no sucker punch

[mighty stump]

Armor Tail doesn't affect your own side and you would just respect opposing Armor Tail.

[dapper crag]

bro I know that lol

[mighty stump]

It's not like Farigiraf is a safe switch in front of Darkshifu anyways

That's just a wild take

[dapper crag]

Armor tail is everywhere

why would I want dark urshi

[mighty stump]

Yeah so don't click Sucker?

Because majority of the metagame already accounts for Watershifu and you said it yourself, you don't want typing overlap.

Theres a reason Charlotte already showed a spiked usage in Darkshifu

[dapper crag]

that's true but wouldn't it be better to use chi yu then?

[mighty stump]

Not in front of Waterpon, personally.

[dapper crag]

chi yu flutter

[dapper crag]

ye I agree with that

I was thinking about chien pou as well

[mighty stump]

I don't see who's benefitting off Chien-Pao

[dapper crag]

but I don't realy have big physical attackers to take advantage

unless I bring like dnite or something

[mighty stump]

Plus if you're going Chi-Yu i'd prefer Icy Wind Flutter.

[dapper crag]

yes I agree with icy

okay so would dark urshi type chart be good still as 6th you think?

scarfed I assume

[mighty stump]

Typing chart overall isn't something I really care about unless theres an overlap of over half the team.

Scarfed, i'd honestly go for Helping Hand on Farigiraf

Sash is also fine.,

[dapper crag]

btw I completely forgot psy spam is there also so dark urshi is pretty nice

I could go hh but I hate to lose protect

[mighty stump]

Either or

[dapper crag]

I can bait too for double up

[charred saddle]

tofu, why did u think donnelly opted for firepon support fllow me rather than the conventional waterpon

[dapper crag]

I know nick ran hh

[charred saddle]

just for offensive pressure?

[dapper crag]

I realy love waterpon personally as a urshi water counter

[mighty stump]

Cause he wanted the option to nuke something real quick since eliminating a slot is just as defensive if not better than redirection

If I had to guess. That's how I'd view it.

[dapper crag]

sd is pretty crazy tho

[charred saddle]

yeah thats what i had in mine too, especially with the team bulk he has

[mighty stump]

At the time of Charlotte people were already shifting away/accounting for the fact Watershifu was going to drop in usage/not be the main shifu to worry about

[charred saddle]

but then again, donnelly didnt change any strat at the finals

[dapper crag]

He played so good

[charred saddle]

going the same 4 all 3 games

[mighty stump]

Cause his leads were basically the safest/correct leads

[charred saddle]

yeah

[dapper crag]

the game 2 at the finals was absolutely mindblowing how he got the win that round

[mighty stump]

The difference is I would have clicked Blood Moon far sooner

[charred saddle]

the read on bloodmoon to pon is very good, but ye

[dapper crag]

that crit turn 1 was brutal

[charred saddle]

CC on ursh is very hard on darkshifu and bm

[mighty stump]

Watershifu, funnily enough, also counts as a Darkshifu check

Cause you can't nuke it with Wicked

[charred saddle]

no wicked and CC SE

[dapper crag]

what ev spread would you recommend for dark urshi tofu?

[mighty stump]

max max

[dapper crag]

I assumed that as sashed but just to be sure hehe

[charred saddle]

ye, donnelly also run sash

[dapper crag]

can you pls fix my incin to the meta tofu

[charred saddle]

oh wait, i just realized

its CA IH

[dapper crag]

I miss AV on that set

[charred saddle]

lots of intim so, understandable

[dapper crag]

clear is good but I love my AV

[charred saddle]

with sitrus open

[dapper crag]

that's also true

[charred saddle]

iirc 188+ def + some more hp bulk + sitrus lives surging

for incin

[dapper crag]

should I run sitrus incin or AV incin I always question myself

[charred saddle]

sitrus personally

[mighty stump]

I mean if you have a reason to run those EVs i'm not about to alter it

[dapper crag]

I got the spread somewhere from a code, but I can't remember what it was build for

I am bad at that stuff

[mighty stump]

Then theres a couple of standard builds I can suggest

[dapper crag]

I would like to live stuff that would kill otherwise in reg f

[mighty stump]

https://tofu-snorlax.hatenablog.com/entry/tofutable6
You can scroll to the bottom of this

[charred saddle]

188+ on def

[dapper crag]

oh right

[charred saddle]

since thats the bump

but ye

thats also based off tofus

[dapper crag]

I would like to live surging for sure

thank you tofu bb

and you peepee

[charred saddle]

oh nvm only needs 156

[mighty stump]

188 is for Adamant

But I havent had a need to go 188

[charred saddle]

oh right ur calc isnt adamant

[dapper crag]

what do you think now tofu

https://pokepast.es/fd3dd63f00ffe0c8

[mighty stump]

Im pretty sure you don't find Max 252 Adamant anymore

they're probably going for like 2nd bumps and stuff instead

[charred saddle]

some run bulk i assume?

[mighty stump]

Since Watershifu spreads are more flexible

You should see mine

Lmao

[charred saddle]

i saw like crazy adamant 1 bump and rest on bulk

[mighty stump]

Protect if Sash on Urshifu but I can understand Iron Head

[mighty stump]

Lmao

Its a goated Watershifu spread fr

[dapper crag]

yeah it's for flutters

[mighty stump]

it took 3 Gleams from Whimsicott

[dapper crag]

but yeah

[mighty stump]

and didnt even die

[charred saddle]

fucking crazy

[tough idol]

Morning guys

[dapper crag]

for the mirror would perhaps jolly be better on urshi or nah

[mighty stump]

Nah, you;'re Adamant

Sash + Damage

Its fine

[dapper crag]

btw I made that flutter spread myself do you like it?

[mighty stump]

Well as long as you know what it does

[dapper crag]

decided on 140 to outspeed all that creep the highest ones

I think most run 116 timid

or 252 modest

[mighty stump]

140 Timid is good tier to hit so yea

[dapper crag]

yeah

[charred saddle]

[dapper crag]

oh I forgot to change tera for urshi

idk why he did it so much xd

I think it was for his gf or sumthin'

just tera dark I assume?

double dippin' until we trippin'

[mighty stump]

Tera Dark

[charred saddle]

never used darkshifu so idk about the tera

i saw poison back in reg E, dark tera for more raw damage

[mighty stump]

If you're choice'd youre more likely to go for Poison tera

[charred saddle]

stellar tera i think also had its showcase in the early reg F regionals

oh ye band poison makes a lot of sense

since u already have the damage

[mighty stump]

Yeah but Stellar Tera requires a specific team + imo isn't splashable

[dapper crag]

Does urshi learn poison jab?

[mighty stump]

And Dark is overall better for repeat Wicked Blow

It does.

[dapper crag]

poison jab poison tera maybe?

[charred saddle]

dark fighting also quite weird typing especially with a lot of fairy typings

[mighty stump]

But at that point, i'd rather Choice Scarf

If you're running 4 move

and with 4 move on a team with TR i want the option to pivot with U-Turn

[dapper crag]

true I guess protect is indeed better for sash

[charred saddle]

wicked sucker and CC is very hard to change

[dapper crag]

U turn I have to go scarf then

[mighty stump]

Last time I dropped Sucker.

[charred saddle]

oh for?

[mighty stump]

On Scarf

For U-Turn

So I could run both

[charred saddle]

i mean its scarfed so i can quite understand that

[dapper crag]

I could drop iron for u turn put scarf with bulk maybe?

[mighty stump]

Even if you're scarfed, on Darkshifu imo theres no real point to Bulk

[dapper crag]

but then again, what is gonna kill flutter

[charred saddle]

bullet punch 252+ metagross /j

[mighty stump]

I mean once you set TR you don't really have to go for hardcore OHKO everytime

[dapper crag]

It's tempting to change SP to u-turn tho

[charred saddle]

i still need to make metagross team

[mighty stump]

Plus you have Waterpon lol

[dapper crag]

true

It's such a tough choice man shit xd

[mighty stump]

No need to really debate it heavily

[dapper crag]

iron head vs protect

[mighty stump]

Just try both out

and run it on ladder

Decide afterwards

[dapper crag]

ye I will

[charred saddle]

best advice

just try both

[dapper crag]

thanks dads

I realy like the team now on paper thanks to you tofu & you peepee

the 6th change feels good

more psy spam immunity & a explosive physical attacker

and a flutter counter

[charred saddle]

while talking about bm + fari,

does the fari in the duo runs a more offensive set and spray?

[dapper crag]

yeah it does

[charred saddle]

since donnelly i think runs a more bulkier set and sitrus

it lives a surging

[dapper crag]

I liked wolfe's fari a lil bit more

more aggressive

Idk what his spreads were tho

I did change to hh

[charred saddle]

no but his fari isnt built for just support

donnelly runs imprison tr protect dazzling and fairy tera

its support oriented

[mighty stump]

Donnelly is far bulkier

[dapper crag]

I have fari in the back for counter TR or whenever I need to swap in to negate prio imo

and ofc to set it

[charred saddle]

its to ensure tr going up and bm goes into play

[mighty stump]

I have Wolfe's spreads and all I can say it's far more offensive

[charred saddle]

i dont think with ur bulk u can safely set tr up

[dapper crag]

my main lead will be waterpon + blood 90% of the time tho

depending matchup ofc

[mighty stump]

You're dependant on FO to set TR up since Throat Spray Giraffe is a greedy way to play

[dapper crag]

fari spread

[charred saddle]

is that 108 sp atk 148+ spd?

[dapper crag]

yeah

[charred saddle]

idk

i just think that for bm fari to work better, fari kinda wants more bulk rather than offensive

[dapper crag]

It's more of a surprise switchin realy I intent to play it as

[charred saddle]

i mean its your team and i have no experience in it

[dapper crag]

they opt to click prio more

I am open for suggestions ofc

[charred saddle]

yeah even then, better player will lnow not to click prio like wolfe

[dapper crag]

Would you run like 68 def rest spdef perhaps

[charred saddle]

he didnt bother clicking FO with incin lnowing fari in back

idk, never calced anything for giraf

[dapper crag]

ye but that's open sheet tho

changes things

I could also run goggles or helmet

helmet with bulk seems cool too

[charred saddle]

just pointing out what i see differently

[dapper crag]

yeah ofc

[charred saddle]

didnt know how to progress beyond this

[dapper crag]

my thing about it after +1

psychic in particular hits hard asf

[charred saddle]

well yeah, STAB

[dapper crag]

hyper voice also but less

unless single target

I mean I could sitrus fari and then AV incin

[charred saddle]

wolfe can run that due to the rilla incin support

but its quite greedy going for it knowing that fari kinda wants to support bm too

[dapper crag]

av water tera is everywhere no?

[charred saddle]

like ur going in between

incin? idk

didnt play a lot of bgc revently

[dapper crag]

I thought it was water

[charred saddle]

only watched regionals

[dapper crag]

but fr if you had to give more bulk

what spread would you suggest

[charred saddle]

prob calc it

[dapper crag]

I can try both ya know

[charred saddle]

252 hp then calc on common moves

surging, dark pulse chiyu, wicked blow (after tera)

CC watershifu

for switchins

since ur running waterpon

and u kinda want to switch fari to watershifu pressure

[dapper crag]

yep this

[charred saddle]

oh but then u never wanna switch on CC

[dapper crag]

depends what my board state is

[charred saddle]

since they are more likely going by this

cc to bm, if its follow me waterpon gwts CC off

its never , CC to waterpon

[dapper crag]

I am defensive waterpon tho

[charred saddle]

since u cant protect it

no, i mean why would they CC waterpon when they can CC to bm

[dapper crag]

they wouldn't

but they can't do shit if I follow me

and kill them in return

[charred saddle]

im talking on the fari calc on watershifu cc, since the train of thoughts is

calc for cc shifu since u are switching in fari for waterpon.

but then they wont ever CC to waterpon.

if u follow me, u cant switch

[dapper crag]

I think I can live cc with waterpon

[charred saddle]

and yes most waterpons will live cc

[dapper crag]

I see what you mean

you still here bro? @charred saddle

[next stump]

happy liverpool eve everyone

[mighty stump]

Lmao

Anything in particular you’re on the look out for?

Are you adjusting your team for anything?

[charred saddle]

just got back from eating and showering

[dapper crag]

wb bro

I am running calc on fari

It seems no matter what I cannot live a wicked blow dark tera

I can live wicked blow outside tera

[charred saddle]

i did say u need to tera tho

fairy tera is usually the choice i think for bulky fari

resists dark and fighting from neutral

[dapper crag]

I can live a wicked outside tera dark if I run 196 def+ 252 hp

wait no 6.3% chance on 252 def+ actually

but if I put 60 in spdef I can live a moonblast from flutter when they have chi yu in play

[charred saddle]

thats so much investments tho, still need to calc for sp def, fluttermane MU, darkpulse chiyu

well thats ur choice ig gl

[dapper crag]

I was liking the 252 hp / 196 def+ / 60 spdef so far

43% of living wicked

surging is a 2hko 74%

but then dark pulse I die

Idk which way to go lol

228 spdef let's me live dp from chi yu

on defensive nature

is that also bad?

[fallen garden]

one mon will not be able to outlive every possible matchup no matter what you do, tbh

[dapper crag]

true but it's a question of defensive versus special

it's so hard lol

[charred saddle]

i usually just choose off on worse MU

[fallen garden]

i would focus on defense just because of urshifu

you can click protect in front of chi yu

[dapper crag]

I think urshi & chi yu are almost equal usage

[charred saddle]

if u can play better against chiyu stuffs then why bother going to live much from it, and that prob requires u to tera

[dapper crag]

my gut tells me go defensive

live urshi stuff

but like you said when the board is like oger + bm they will never cc into oger

stuff like that I don't know, so calcing is tough for me >.<

[charred saddle]

well they might still cc to oger, but thats kinda hard to read since i think cc to bm is kinda free?

[dapper crag]

exactly

[charred saddle]

unless they are afraid of flutter switch ins

[dapper crag]

hmm wait that's true

I have ghost in the back

[charred saddle]

or like ghost tera for some readon

but still, if u swtich to flutter = no TR going up

[dapper crag]

196 def+ is too much investment you said right?

[charred saddle]

i didnt say that, 252 252+ is i think

i usually do general bulk

[dapper crag]

oh right

252 hp / 196 def+ / 60 spdef is what I got atm

[charred saddle]

unless ur doing like specific MU or u have checks for common special

[dapper crag]

it does live overheat chi yu

[fallen garden]

then i think your fine tbh

[charred saddle]

well you know what its for then go for it

[dapper crag]

43% chance to live wicked outside tera

[charred saddle]

whats the item?

rocky?

[dapper crag]

yeah for now or goggles one of the 2 I was thinking

I decided on dgleam/hh/tr/protect btw like you said

[charred saddle]

ye both makes sense

nonono i never used fari

honestly if u wanna run fari, dillon might know more

[dapper crag]

I don't like 43% chance to live tho

[real prairie]

Who is the best bulky fire SpAtk? Im climbing the solos ladder atm and keep hitting a roadblock at Metagross

[charred saddle]

donnelly had TR Dgleam, imprison protect

[dapper crag]

204 is 25% maybe better

[charred saddle]

bulky special setup ==> volc?

volcarona rocky helmet / leftover sets and quiver dance

[dapper crag]

yeah I don't want imprison as I want TR up

I feel hh is more important

[real prairie]

setup risks taking quite a bit of damage from Meta, looking for that OHKO option

[dapper crag]

he brought imprison as he has tailwind support as well

[charred saddle]

then just run chiyu or like firepon

[dapper crag]

chiyu goes hard this meta

[real prairie]

Chi Yu is a good shout

[dapper crag]

chiyu flutter is crazy good

[charred saddle]

and u dont need specifically fire, ghost / dark also is nice

gambit checks metagross at least i think

[dapper crag]

should I calc for ogerpon maybe also peepee?

like a +2

sd is becoming more meta on firepon

[charred saddle]

+2 firepon i think hits too hard

[dapper crag]

at that point he might as well go +3 with tera true

[charred saddle]

even with neutral, so i dont think u can live even with 252 252

[real prairie]

Yeah but fire covers for the tera steel im seeing a fair bit of

[dapper crag]

is 25% chance to live wicked blow good enough or no?

[real prairie]

I have rapid strike Urshu and no idea how to get a 2nd Urshu so thats a miss

[charred saddle]

252+ Atk Urshifu Wicked Blow vs. 252 HP / 196+ Def Farigiraf on a critical hit: 204-242 (89.8 - 106.6%) -- 43.8% chance to OHKO

252+ Atk Choice Band Urshifu Wicked Blow vs. 252 HP / 196+ Def Farigiraf on a critical hit: 306-360 (134.8 - 158.5%) -- guaranteed OHKO

[dapper crag]

you can't in 1 playthrough

[real prairie]

knock off fire pon might be a shout, covers both but i thought Meta was DEF+

[dapper crag]

you can transfer from swsh tho

[charred saddle]

252+ Atk Choice Band Urshifu Wicked Blow vs. 252 HP / 196+ Def Tera Fairy Farigiraf on a critical hit: 76-90 (33.4 - 39.6%) -- guaranteed 3HKO

[real prairie]

Dont have the SwSh expansion 😭

[charred saddle]

i think u always wanna tera, especially in CTS where u dont know the item

[dapper crag]

yeah perhaps you are right

[charred saddle]

if its Choice band ur kinda screwed

[dapper crag]

I see blackglasses & sash more often

then banded tbh

[charred saddle]

252+ Atk Black Glasses Urshifu Wicked Blow vs. 252 HP / 196+ Def Farigiraf on a critical hit: 242-288 (106.6 - 126.8%) -- guaranteed OHKO

[dapper crag]

252+ Atk Urshifu Wicked Blow vs. 252 HP / 196+ Def Tera Fairy Farigiraf on a critical hit: 51-60 (22.4 - 26.4%) -- 22.3% chance to 4HKO

[charred saddle]

252+ Atk Mystic Water Tera Water Urshifu-Rapid-Strike Surging Strikes (3 hits) vs. 252 HP / 196+ Def Farigiraf on a critical hit: 168-198 (74 - 87.2%) -- approx. 2HKO

[dapper crag]

252+ Atk Choice Band Tera Dark Urshifu Wicked Blow vs. 252 HP / 196+ Def Tera Fairy Farigiraf on a critical hit: 102-120 (44.9 - 52.8%) -- 25.8% chance to 2HKO