competitive_discussion

[ember linden]

Not the end of the world if you don’t have it but I think mental herb ghost tera thundy is a phenomenal set

[brazen bough]

Yep

[next stump]

That’s awesome, Indianapolis is always a good event

[brazen bough]

How is the venue

[ember linden]

This is how I’d run it https://pokepast.es/05cdf0393c20b334

[brazen bough]

K

[chrome knot]

i will be there !!

[next stump]

https://tenor.com/view/horn-gif-8651046

[brazen bough]

When is it

[chrome knot]

May 3-5

[brazen bough]

I might be able to go to that

[wise star]

Let’s go have a poke party at the event

[chrome knot]

im ok

[brazen bough]

Yeah, im probably gonna spend most of my time going over notes

[chrome knot]

ill be with irl group

[wise star]

The meta is probably gonna change too much by that point, but I haven’t played the DLC yet… so i gotta do that first

[brazen bough]

Wish i had one

U lucky

Thats why i need to go to more locals

[chrome knot]

[bold geode]

Get it

[chrome knot]

what

[bold geode]

Indianapolis

I'm awkward Emmie I'm sorry

[smoky hawk]

You're going on a national tour, it seems. Too bad you hate Canada though. That's my next big tournament

[chrome knot]

bc why go to vancouver when you can go to orlando at the start of next month

[lavish kite]

because orlando is in florida

[plucky garnet]

Why did channel get moved

[cyan smelt]

is taunt flutter mane a thing now

[candid arch]

is anyone up for a fight my name is cutie in the game

ayone

[zenith jungle]

Not common but maybe

[paper socket]

have a question

If i'm going to run a fast pokemon on trickroom like iron valiant or FLutter Mane, i need to have them 0 speed iv or the speed max out, i've seen a lot of people using mewoscarada, and it's kinda fast, so i have that question, is it good to have a fast trick room member?

[charred saddle]

i dont think you need 0speed flutter to work in a TR team, it can work as a fast mode or even in the back after the TR expires

and ive never seen meowscarada, at least in the higher ranks(?)

like i dont feel its good enough to be used in teams

[paper socket]

So, you don't recomend having a faster pokemon in a TR Team? I'm really struggling to get an iron valiant 0 speed iv as a scarlet player-

[charred saddle]

i wouldnt say so, it just changes how the team works

like if u see bravadosun team at the end of vgc reg E, it has armadeedee, for TR mode

and a regidrago with scarf as the fast mode

its more flexible to say

[knotty mirage]

Can iron crown with low speed work under trick room or should i just makes it fast and use booster eneegy speed ?

[charred saddle]

not familiar with crown so,

[dapper crag]

Pokémon No. 1023: Iron Crown

Types

Steel/Psychic

Abilities

Quark Drive

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

90/72/100/122/108/98

Total

590

SableyeBot version 4.25.1

[charred saddle]

for now, iron crown can only be 2 speed IVs

20 IV or 31 IV

and then EV stuff

id say since its 98, theres no reason to not go for 31 IV, unless you wanna catch people offguard under TR

but then again idk how iron crown plays in match

[paper socket]

I heard that is the new armarouge-

[charred saddle]

only knew that its very good against chienpao with tachyon cutter

[paper socket]

Indeecrown(?

[charred saddle]

fills a different niche

crown is faster, for TR armarouge is still nice

especially with incin in the game, some people are running power herb meteor beam armarouge to ohko incin

[cyan smelt]

crown is good against flutter too

and tera water can ko incin

[charred saddle]

i wouldnt say that, flutter is still faster

i can say crown can bonk chien just because its usually paried with deedee

oh nvm, follow me

ye that works

[knotty mirage]

Can i get thought on this team then this is my first time making trick room team maybe there a way to makes it better ?
https://pokepast.es/db8eda3728e452d6

[charred saddle]

you definitely dont need 252 sp atk on indeedee, id rather go for bulk.

and i think if ur going for leftover bolt, better for calm mind? or use a more offensive item?

rest idk

[knotty mirage]

Wait 252 on sp atk ?

Oh i think mess up again on team builder it should have been 252 on def

[charred saddle]

[paper socket]

Is there a way to get enamorus therain without pokemon legends arceus?

[charred saddle]

i dont think so

[knotty mirage]

I can give it calm mind but i really hate thunder clap mind games i mean what kind of offensive item ?

[charred saddle]

its not in pogo too iirc

[charred saddle]

idk haha, the items ive seen for it is lefties and AV i think

i havent played comp lately

only watching

[knotty mirage]

That's why i use lefties i don't know what item to give it too especially on new reg where i don't know what i'm doing

[pale kiln]

Can anyone help me with my team here is the poke paste https://pokepast.es/315766e17c36e829

[charred saddle]

theres so much stuff that is wrong for me that i dont know where to go

[dapper crag]

Pokémon No. 160: Feraligatr

Type

Water

Abilities

Torrent, Sheer Force (Hidden)

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

85/105/100/79/83/78

Total

530

SableyeBot version 4.25.1

[charred saddle]

78 base speed, and needing tw just to outspeed some common speedy mon

why bother going for bulk on chienpao if ur gonna sash?

whats the bulk EV spread on pon and rilla especially? i dont know even if the EV spreads are tailored for some MU

amoonguss still grass tera, dark tera chienpao?

[tough idol]

Possible they haven't changed Teras on Showdown. Only Feral has different

[charred saddle]

oh right and then no protect on fera?

and then rilla no woodhammer is kinda weird for me

[charred saddle]

maybe

[real prairie]

why is there a speed investment in the funguy

[tough idol]

Yh makes its speed 60 instead of 50

[charred saddle]

oh and like rain dance torn for fera makes kinda sense, but it will hinder firepon especially if u save it in the back

[tough idol]

Unless anyone can think why with those numbers

[charred saddle]

it seems like a random EVs to me

[tough idol]

I dont like Effect Spore much either

[charred saddle]

oh i dont even realize its effect spore

[real prairie]

ill vouch for effect spore, It has its moments, but overall regen is better

[mighty stump]

Effect Spore is activelt detrimental to what you want Anoonguss to do

[mighty stump]

Posting this everywherer cause I can but I finally achieved one of my few goals in VGC and that's to get 80% GXE

Praise be

Shaking a tiny bit

[charred saddle]

is that top 300? dman

[mighty stump]

Yessir

[charred saddle]

cough cough me pay 100$ for coaching session plz /j

[mighty stump]

sejuta bang

anjir

[charred saddle]

lg simpen duit buat palworld. bo lui gw

[mighty stump]

HUH

[mighty stump]

SIP

[patent marsh]

💀

[nocturne holly]

a million bro

what is anjir

[mighty stump]

It's like

An exclamation

[charred saddle]

anjing --> anjir --> njing --> njir --> jir --> bjir

[nocturne holly]

what the hell

[tough idol]

Last day of work today. 🙌

[mighty stump]

emg anjir = anjing gw kira beda

[mighty stump]

bismillah

[charred saddle]

kek plesetan doang si

[mighty stump]

o

[nocturne holly]

all of these mean the same thing?

[mighty stump]

Basically

lupa jing

[nocturne holly]

it’s just a pun

[mighty stump]

No

[nocturne holly]

what

[charred saddle]

not like pun, its like

[mighty stump]

What he said its like "its like a miss"

But contextually its like

[nocturne holly]

whattt

[mighty stump]

Its the same word just not said fully

[charred saddle]

idk its hard to explain

[mighty stump]

?

Idk how do I explain plesetan

Llike a slip up

but on purpose

[nocturne holly]

ok

[charred saddle]

i think that njir becomes bjir just because of typo

n and b is close in keyboard

[mighty stump]

org dah biasa typo aja njir = bjir

[charred saddle]

ye

trus kek orng ngerasa lbih enak aja bjir banding njir

[nocturne holly]

tepatnya itu sangat aneh

[mighty stump]

What 💀

[tough idol]

Does Single Strike function OK in a TW team? Not used it before

[next stump]

i think it probably functions better than rapid urshifu right now

[mighty stump]

Ngl

I'm kinda glad

And see why

We nerfed Wicked Blow

Lmao

[tough idol]

Making last minute adjustment

[brazen bough]

I hope gf doesnt nerf unseen fist

[mighty stump]

I damn well hope they do

Lmaoo

[tough idol]

It is a broken ability tbh

[mighty stump]

Just make it do 50% through Protect and that';s already bearable as hell

[tough idol]

Needs a drawback ti using it

[brazen bough]

50% is too much

25% is bettee

[mighty stump]

Bypassing Protect on an automatic crit is too much

[brazen bough]

Im gonna steal a team off of the repo

[real prairie]

have it lose its crit if it hits through protect?

makes the most sense to me, it cant be a critical hit if its smashing through something 😉

don't know if thats a significant enough nerf though

[tough idol]

A stat lower if through protect maybe? Atk?

[real prairie]

thats probably too harsh

[mighty stump]

Just commit to a damage reduction lol

50% is more than fair

If Dynamax was reduced by 75%

Also considering NOTHING ELSE IN THIS GAME can do what Urshifu does.

Iron Boulder is only on it's move.

[tough idol]

Yh and not guaranteed crit like SS, WB

[real prairie]

They either nerf it or next game cycle it just doesn't come back through home

[tough idol]

If next game is a 'Legends' there may not be a comp scene like PLA and we have another year or so of SV comp

Then another set of mons to drop into the next mainline game that does have comp

[real prairie]

Didnt Legends release same year as SV, cant see them sticking to one

[mighty stump]

I hope the next Legends game isn't half as tedious as PLA is

[real prairie]

I really enjoyed PLA tbh, the money grind was an absolute headache though, went back to it a couple weeks ago to get Tornadus and wanted to cry at the grind for mats lol

[brazen bough]

I hope so too

I also hope one of the next games isnt a legends game

[sharp cobalt]

Why

[tired sage]

[nocturne holly]

Fr

arceus was a great game

very tedious tho
it was a great refresh to the series

[little plank]

I read an article someplace that stated the next pokemon game might not be hitting until a possible 2026 as SV has the possibility of going longer with mini updates such as the new legendary.

[real prairie]

I would have liked to see what a comp scene with legends strike system would have looked like

[real prairie]

TBF SV Could get a new lease of life if/when switch 2 comes out

[mighty stump]

If you're referring to Pecharunt, it's a mythical

So it won't be available for Restricted meta

[little plank]

I was just stating the longevity of SV may go longer then the typical pokemkn game. With them doing updates such as the Pecharunt event.

I personally hope not though, I am not a fan of tera. It's alright in OTS. But the unpredictably in bo1 on ladder kinda annoys me lol.

[mighty stump]

I mean unpredictable is a stretch, since there tends to be set established teras for certain mons

Scout turns are just that much more valuable

[real prairie]

i prefer it over any of the other game mechanics so far

its not the most aestitically pleasing but offers the most imo

[mighty stump]

Dmax was too polarising and brainless, and Z-Moves/Megas were referred to as unbalanced apparently with Tera taking the win gimmick wise competitively thus far

[little plank]

I mean here was a scenario from last night for example. I was up against a raging bolt I knew it had safety goggles from a previous turn. And I knew my incineroar was faster with tailwind up. So I knocked off its safety goggles and I tera watered my amoongus as it would have been kod by the opposing incineroar if I didn't. Went for Spore on the raging bolt and he tera grassed lol.

[mighty stump]

I personally can only compare Dmax and Teras

[little plank]

Needless to say I was quite annoyed.

[mighty stump]

Yeah but Tera Grass is one of the Teras for Bolt defensively anyways since you want to retain your Urshifu resist after Tera lol

It's either Grass or Fairy.

Best ones for me personally is Grass/Water

[little plank]

I've even seen flying with tera blast... lol

[mighty stump]

I just write off the weird ones since statistically if you're comfortable against standard teras you'll climb overall

[brazen bough]

is there anyway to make av/goggs incin live surging strikes w/o tera

[mighty stump]

Nope, requires Sitrus

[brazen bough]

rip

[brazen bough]

tofu i settled on a team idea paonite fari balance

dyt that would work

[mighty stump]

Probably, I don't see why not

[real prairie]

@mighty stump Mind if I DM you asking for some advise related to a tournament team? its not really "competitive" so just want a once over and not clog up this chat with irrelevance

and lots of the other competitors are in the server lol

[mighty stump]

Sure

[brazen bough]

so like this https://pokepast.es/64a3867a9bf732bf

[nocturne holly]

NOO

WHYD THE MESS IT UP
Why is this channel so high

[brazen bough]

actually since incin is more frail ill do hh on in

[nocturne holly]

why did they group the union stuff with it

Why is shiny hunters above comp discussion

[mighty stump]

Dragon Claw over Outrage since its AV Dnite.

[brazen bough]

k

[mighty stump]

Hyper Voice on Farigiraf if you're NPlot

Over Gleam

Imo Boom doesn't really gain value on Protect.

[brazen bough]

drop boom for something else then?

or just run knock off

[mighty stump]

High Horsepower

[chrome knot]

would you outrage on band

obv right

sorry that was a stupid question lmao

[mighty stump]

Lmao

[next stump]

calling it now

hard TR wins liverpool this weekend

[chrome knot]

nono hard tr wins knox

[molten oasis]

Hard tr winning would be interesting

[tough idol]

Will be wierd watching Top 8 from the venue lol

[bold geode]

Yeah it'll be weird cuz you'll BE in top 8

[nocturne holly]

hot take

the team that wins Liverpool will have 6 mons

[whole ibex]

https://youtu.be/-FW-h3n8Mz4?si=5eae02lSGcyJ6ooi

[balmy glen]

Hard room gaming

[bold geode]

[whole ibex]

Apparently Exeggutor is eggactly what I need for Reg F.

[brazen bough]

wdym by hard tr tho

like which tr mon

[balmy glen]

Gallade gaming

[nocturne holly]

frrrr

[nocturne holly]

like a full tr team

Everything functions in tr

[fallen garden]

I hope snow wins

[brazen bough]

I luv balance

[tired sage]

wolfe balance

[brazen bough]

that was what i tried first

but i cant really play like wolfey

this is why i dont like just taking other ppls team

[tired sage]

where’s the latias balance

[chrome knot]

dead

[brazen bough]

mid

[tired sage]

fine i’ll crawl my way up with lati balance regieleki

[real prairie]

Assume we are all going to take part in the Global Challenge? lol

[balmy glen]

Pretty much need it for points so I can skip an MSS lol

[smoky hawk]

I have 4 locals within an hour or so this week

[tepid barn]

Im climbing up with perish room 2

[tough idol]

I'll give it a shot rather than just laddering

[tough idol]

How many points you on?

Judging by the group consensus, I need a hard TR, Snow. Balance team for next week

Is anyone else from here attending Liverpool btw?

[lofty tartan]

I'm basically out of all big events for the remainder of the 2024 season but I'm hitting up a few locals until season end. Thank goodness.

2025 season is gonna be my time

https://tenor.com/view/wwe-roman-reigns-it-is-my-time-now-my-time-its-my-time-now-gif-22123014

[tough idol]

Same I'll have more notice to save up for a holiday trip to a US Regional

[lofty tartan]

Awesome.

PLEASE coordinate with me and we'll try to hit the same Regional event.

Basically almost anything East Coast US is fine for me

And we'll go hit a bar 😄

[tough idol]

Would be East for me anyway. Couldn't tolerate fly8ng any further lmao. Doing the Atlantic bad enough

[lofty tartan]

Then it's settled. 👏

[tough idol]

Flew to Chicago last time I did states

10 hour flight

[lofty tartan]

Jesus man

[next stump]

global challenge is going to be wild lol

[balmy glen]

Fr

[balmy glen]

Only 134 rn but I’m fine it’s just from 2 regionals I have to start grinding PC’s and MSS etc SoCal is rough though so we’ll see

[brazen bough]

According to the organizer for orlando it the regional may be bigger than charlotte

Source is ck49

[lofty tartan]

Currently brewing for it myself, but it's kinda fighting for time in the kitchen before my PC/MSS

And yeah every Regional is basically bigger than the last one (with few exceptions) so the whole "biggest regional ever!" is sorta losing it's shine

[tough idol]

Depending how the weekend goes, I may use the same team for GC

If I'm 0-9 then I'm using something else pmsl

[brazen bough]

It depends on the organizer

Vancouver is gonna be capped at 500 masters

[lofty tartan]

I was mostly counting the US Regionals because those hit the whole "This is the biggest Regional ever" numbers

Extenuating factors also exist, like Pittsburgh being short on docks.

[tough idol]

Liverpool Masters is 720 iirc @lofty tartan

Which is enough lol 😆

[lofty tartan]

Charlotte and Pittsburgh were the same Tournament Organizer.

[real prairie]

does the syncro machine count towards EV training?

[tough idol]

I don't think so as Let's Go kills don't, do they? You have to actually battle iirc

[real prairie]

nah they dont, but thought cosidering indigo disk was supposed to be like the modern battle tower (its absolutely not btw) it might work

[tough idol]

Hadn't checked emails lol

[real prairie]

"Blueberry academy is all about battling, here is a new feature you can use to help train your pokemon" is how this should work lol

alas i think it doesnt

[real prairie]

Go and win the whole bloody thing

[tough idol]

I'll drop a Surname on Saturday lol in case anyone want to keep track

[real prairie]

Is there guest entries still?

Im supposed to be doing something with my pokemon obsessed Son on Saturday, might see if its worth the drive to come watch live

or is viewership only for worlds?

[tough idol]

There were spectator tickets, you'd have to check the site

According to RK9 there are spectator passes £5 each. If you go through victoryroadvgc you'll find your way there

[real prairie]

Ill have a look and might cheer you on from the sidelines

3.5h drive 😭 might have to give it a miss, sorry pal

[tough idol]

I don't blame you lol 😆

YouTube or twitch it is

[real prairie]

haha maybe

[pastel blade]

How tf do you counter encore

[kindred cypress]

Swap characters

[pastel blade]

Then they get encored 🤣

[kindred cypress]

Encore is limited to that Pokémon

Or just taunt

[next stump]

don’t click a move that loses to encore

[nocturne holly]

onggggg

[tough idol]

That does not happen, it just fails

[tough idol]

May be wrong but I'm sure most Incin have some EVs into bulk especially running Goggles

Nice new video @gentle delta

[gentle delta]

Ty ty

[karmic temple]

God I forgot how tedious it is to finish the pokedex

Might get the shiny charm first on scarlet before doing my playthrough maybe I’ll get another full odds shiny when completing 🤭

[tough idol]

Get the Blueberry dex reward too

Mark Charm

[charred saddle]

thats why you make living dex

pain, but rewarding

ez apriball farms and alts hehe

[tough idol]

I've deleted so many apri balls since Teal Mask

Only used Friend ball for Ogerpon, Moon/Beast for BM. Just deleted the rest and did about 9 restarts lol 😆

[charred saddle]

i also did delete some, but i just quickly like do important stuffs with apriballs, and now with dlc 2, i can go for more catch with the apris

[tough idol]

I just keep a cpl of each tbh, I don't really trade so I don't need loads

[wary juniper]

https://pokepast.es/7075ee631f8a1d07 i made this for season 1 of scarlet and violet is there a way to make it a good team in this new season?

[timber falcon]

https://pokepast.es/e6d4a753a37d13e3 opinions on team? Mostly wondering about ogerpon

[timber falcon]

Why not flash cannon to over hyper voice?

[timber falcon]

I’d recommend speed control and wouldn’t run palafin cause inconsistent

[timber falcon]

Also why full offense incin?

[gentle delta]

Theres no benefit to Floatzel here and Float is also unplayable tier

[gentle delta]

Not uncommon tech, people dont expect Flare to Ko then BAM

[timber falcon]

You don’t need to max it to OHKO on super effective/weak mons.

[gentle delta]

Sometimes yes lol

Kingambit can eat a flare blitz from Incin no prob

And max att allows more neutral knock off KOs

[timber falcon]

Idk for incin bulk should be prioritised

[gentle delta]

Im not saying its the way but its not a mistake.

Whats more important is to know WHY you want max att on your team and to make a deliberate decision rather than just plugging the number.

[gentle delta]

Incin has loads of natural bulk it doesn’t always need to. You should never look at a mon and assume the most common way to use it is the only way otherwise you’ll get too complacent

[timber falcon]

I used to run max attack incin then changed it to just adamant, it was dealing great damage looking very nice. Max attack seems like a waste, you could invest in a lil speed or bulk

[timber falcon]

And the incin set he’s using doesn’t look like a full offensive one

[gentle delta]

Like I said, its not always a waste. But to justify running it you should have your calcs ready to know why you’re running it.

[gentle delta]

Nah thats still the standard max att set

Maybe sometimes av but that one is still it

Like if you want max att because otherwise you struggle with X or Y or Z. Then thats fine

Just dont slap it on for no reason

[timber falcon]

lol I didn’t even know av incin exists

[lofty tartan]

Yeah AV sets are just swap Shot for U-Turn

[gentle delta]

Personally im a 252 hp 156 spdef impish girl

Everyone on physical bulk incin nobody expects it to live a moonblast

[gentle delta]

It had multiples in Day 2 both regionals lol what

[timber falcon]

Yeah I wasn’t able to watch it

[gentle delta]

I never watch but I skim the lists

[timber falcon]

I’m relatively new to this competetive Pokemon cause my dumbass thought singles was the main format

But av incin sounds dangerous lmao

I’d hate that

[willow vault]

It’s ok but other items allow Incineroar to be more versatile and keeps it generally healthier like a berry or goggles to discect amoongus.

[lofty tartan]

https://tenor.com/view/quagsire-blink-blinking-gif-25635243

[next stump]

singles is more popular globally in terms of playerbase but just not officially supported with tourneys

[lofty tartan]

Yo Dillon you running in GC1 or you gonna be at Knox?

[timber falcon]

I see, but to my knowledge vgc is the official format right?

[lofty tartan]

VGC is the official format - yes

[timber falcon]

Ok so I’m on the right track

[willow vault]

Just play what you enjoy more

[next stump]

GC1 only for me, Knoxville flights were $400 to fly for an hour hahaha

[lofty tartan]

YIKES but I totally feel your pain. You gotta be rich to fly out of my state. LOL

I literally have to drive to Boston to take flights

But also GC1 for me

[timber falcon]

VGC > singles, my god the singles meta is trash

[willow vault]

Ok

[timber falcon]

Stall spamming gets real

[willow vault]

Never tried singles

[lofty tartan]

Yeah the matches take forever and a day. Coverage for it would be a nightmare

[karmic temple]

Stall matches are my fav

[lofty tartan]

https://tenor.com/view/modern-family-who-hurt-you-gif-15501723

[karmic temple]

Sucks it’s not great in doubles

Her name was Cynthia back in 2007

We learned to play the long game then

Why did we move again now we’re under rentals

[gentle delta]

Canada problems, flying ANYWHERE sucks royally

[timber falcon]

😐

[gentle delta]

Agreed tbh, its like chess.

When I played mtg stall (control) mirrors were my favourite

[karmic temple]

Fezandipiti stall is still my fav if you can get toxic chain to pop

[zenith jungle]

Yall go play singles

[agile urchin]

I remember my friends flamed me for using a stall red card Fezandipiti

i kinda see it now but I js find it funny

[tough idol]

That Dozo in the vid was a menace

[summer shore]

Most informed take

[bold geode]

@summer shore

[summer shore]

@bold geode

[tired atlas]

A compliment from the co-creator of the team himself

[next stump]

if my napkin math is correct, i believe i’m currently 3rd in NA for the NAIC stipend race

i likely won’t finish top 8 because it ends on the Sunday of EUIC, meaning if anyone near me goes to EUIC they’ll likely pass me

[gentle delta]

This is something ive not heard yet, what stipend?

[next stump]

Those are the important bits of the page related to VGC

There is a leaderboard on the Play! Pokémon website but for some reason NAIC’s stipend leaderboard is not live yet

[brazen bough]

yikes thats unlikely

[spiral goblet]

Does anyone run anything other than trick room in bs anymore?

[next stump]

it’s okay, stipend races mostly come down to how much money you’re willing to spend LOL

and there are a good chunk of players who are better than me AND have more money to spend than me

double whammy

[tough idol]

I think EUIC is going to cost me around £400 in travel and hotel, If I stay in a crap hotel

Plus I don't know venue yet so could be worse

[next stump]

I think it’s at the ExCeL center

[tough idol]

Ah yh, so a Central London hotel will be fine

[chrome knot]

how do I like prep my playpokemon account & switch for gcs

since technically its a japan thing

[tough idol]

@next stump could be worse

[cyan smelt]

Could be worse, they could've gotten rid of your region's ic

[tough idol]

Oceania?

[cyan smelt]

Yep

[tough idol]

2 mile walk from train station to that hotel fml

Ain't going near the Tube

[chrome knot]

and nothing in game after>

[next stump]

just make sure you register before it starts

[karmic temple]

Man I wish tentacruel were a little bit better it’s got such a nice shiny

[brazen bough]

Dyk how cp is distributed

[civic wedge]

made a quick porygon-z set but idk how ur gonna set up nasty plot tho
Porygon-Z @ Life Orb
Ability: Adaptability
Tera Type: Normal
EVs: 4 HP / 252 SpA / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

• Tri Attack
• Hyper Beam
• Psyshock
• Nasty Plot

[mighty stump]

If you’re setting up you really don’t need Hyper Beam

I’d probably prefer to run Tera Blast as STAB since it can double as coverage by altering your Tera

and just run some form of Redirection to set up

Simple

[gentle delta]

had a stupid idea for GCs that the more I think about it feels less stupid

Protect on a Psychic Tera WP Armarouge,

scarf shifu, go through protect with Uturn

profit

[cyan smelt]

or aqua jet

oh wait

psychic tera

[gentle delta]

aqua jet doesnt switch into indeedee my guy

nor makes sense on a scarf set

it would surge, uturn, cc and probably jab or taunt

wish stellar didnt suck on multi hit moves

[lethal thistle]

yo

i need advice in building a comp team

vgc format regulation e

[charred saddle]

why reg E format? its reg F now

aside from that, theres quite a bit of reg E team in #rental_teams for you to look at (to get some ideas)

or just send the pokepaste here and ask for advices ig

[lethal thistle]

oh ok thanks 🙏

[lethal thistle]

so i probably sound like a complete noob but i’m just getting into comp as a whole but is there a way to reset evs and ivs on a pokémon

[gentle delta]

ivs cannot be reset but can be artificially maxed out

evs can be reset with certain berries or a fresh start mochi from oger oustin

[tropic apex]

https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZT8GYe5Xo/

[nocturne holly]

Wooaaah prog rare appearance

how you been
Saw the new video lmao

[bronze bay]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2024regf-2042800237?p2

this is so dumb but fun😭

[gentle delta]

been good, that team is fun as hell im prob bringing to a PC this weekend

[gentle delta]

its only rare because usually when im free this chat is dead lol

[nocturne holly]

Nice
Gl with the pc

[nocturne holly]

Fr lmao

[tough idol]

[brazen bough]

How do ppl jist havr pcs so often

[tough idol]

Some people live in areas where there are more

[next stump]

the tournament organizers submit the final results to pokémon and then your points get added to your Play Pokemon page

[tough idol]

I've found 2 PCs and another MSS within 30 minutes of my house.

[next stump]

🙂 nice

[brazen bough]

Man, everything around me is tcg

I really wish they would host more locals

[next stump]

it never hurts to try emailing a game store that does TCG and ask if they’re interested in VGC

[brazen bough]

Yeah i emailed one

[fallen garden]

my game store is so small they barely host pokemon tcg

[brazen bough]

They said they occasionally host vgc but mostly just tcg and go because they dont have enough space for vg

[fallen garden]

prerelease events sometimes and that's it

they loves hosting mtg tho

[tough idol]

I've also found a UK specific VGC Discord.

Though I will probably still live here

[brazen bough]

I found a state server

[chrome knot]

did this back in august now we’re hosting a triple mss weekend in march or next quarter depending on planning goes

[mighty stump]

Think you’ll join NPA Arcadia?

[chrome knot]

what does that even mean

[mighty stump]

…You know NPA?

[chrome knot]

no

[mighty stump]

Never mind ._.

[chrome knot]

oh the draft thingy

i only know of it bc jean marc mentions it occasionally

i don’t know anything abt it

[chrome knot]

come back hoe what does this meaaaaan

[mighty stump]

Its like

the 2nd tier of NPA

Cause NPA had such big demand

JeanMarc is a manager for NPA Arcadia

[chrome knot]

i see

uh im a random and not great so imma go prob not

[gentle delta]

Praying for next quarter

[next stump]

holy shit can they just announce the date for worlds already

[deep timber]

What is worlds?

[next stump]

world championship

[karmic temple]

World championship in Hawaii

[deep timber]

Aww. Gotcha. Thanks

[brazen bough]

Bro wtf did you even say

[mighty stump]

You'd think they'd have it already all planned

[chrome knot]

asked their tcg TOs if theyd be interested in humouring a vgc tour bc i knew the tcg to had his vgc to aswell

now we have a local vgc scene

[next stump]

last year they announced it during pokémon day which is cool and all

but EVERYONE has to fly to hawaii and there ain’t much room there for hotels

[chrome knot]

that sounds like a nightmare

good thing i wont be in contention for worlds till next year when its in a smarter location

[brazen bough]

Ok

Ty

[gentle delta]

Right I held off booking my vacation week as long as I could but I ended up having to guess

[brazen bough]

now that im thinking about it scream tails is like a perfect balance piece

[mighty stump]

Can be hit or miss.

You have to think about positioning it properly.

Plus the value loss when you lose out booster energy, which tends to be the item you want.

When you're forced to switch.

[misty helm]

does anyone think quiver dance and baton pass is a reasonable substitute for smergle's geomancy baton pass strategy

[mighty stump]

That sounds pretty convoluted

[misty helm]

since geomancy isn't in the game

in other words does a victory dance, quiver dance, spore, and baton pass set make sense for smergle

maybe with focus sash

[mighty stump]

Sure, theoretically, but also the likelihood of it being executed is kinda low

and you're off in a natural 3v4 since Smeargle is kinda useless on its own with those moves/no supporting value after set up.

[misty helm]

what else would make good baton pass support then

[mighty stump]

To be honest, none. I'd rather just focus on setting up something that can naturally get it like Volcarona and have proper redirection support than committing to another Smeargle gimmick

Baton Pass in execution is also kinda difficult since the immediate power level of the meta is overbearing for something like a Smeargle to survive like that.

[misty helm]

okay so baton pass is actually usually worthless then

[mighty stump]

Basically.

[misty helm]

I had a friend who used a smergle with focus sash, geomancy, dragon dance, baton pass, and spore in gen 7 and it was usually quite hard to deal with in most cases where he battled his friends

[mighty stump]

Yeah but unless both friends are also doing VGC, it's not really significant reasoning

And also that's 2 gens ago

[misty helm]

what about in a singles format

[mighty stump]

No comment, I don't play singles

[brazen bough]

does this autolose to lando i

https://pokepast.es/e44c1eb19a4070ff

[mighty stump]

Eh

I mean if you have Wellspring and Flutter that's essentialy your method of dealing with it

• Priority in Kingambit

So not a real auto-lose

[brazen bough]

but its a harsh mu

[mighty stump]

A well played one could be

Cause of the sheer typing overlap

[brazen bough]

so i probably need to change a mon around?

like add chien here

[mighty stump]

I mean its not terrible, id just be aware of your positioning and the tools you have to deal with it

[brazen bough]

and then alsowhat about tw lando i

[mighty stump]

You have TR, and just Tera Ogerpon. Torn/Lando doesnt deal with it well.

Wellspring/Flutter lead would work fine there lol

[brazen bough]

k ty

[gentle crag]

generalia222 has given 1 Gen Rep to woodtofu

[oblique sigil]

I have a question abt IV. So let's say there's 2 Mon. One has best hp stats and the other don't. When we hyper train them, are their hp iv equally the same? Or the one with best is better

[mighty stump]

Same thing.

[oblique sigil]

Ohh I see

Ty

[karmic temple]

God the project snorlax artwork is so fucking mint

[mighty stump]

For REAL

[misty helm]

be honest how viable would ash's teams that are available actually be in SV if fully evolved

[tough idol]

Liverpool team locked in. Registering in morning

[molten oasis]

They’d mostly be shit lol

Gen 6 is prob the best, that or 4

[brazen bough]

how tf did they get the bm ursa sprite in showdown before flutter and all the other paradox mons

[molten oasis]

Lol

[misty helm]

so I'm working on a theme team what do you think of it's level of viability

[gentle delta]

2/10

What are you trying to accomplish with it and is it for singles or doubles

[misty helm]

singles

[gentle delta]

I mean he has a mythical in Gen 7

[fringe kindle]

9/10 team Draco

[gentle delta]

Its still not great tbh, but less bad than if it were for doubles

[fringe kindle]

Unique perfection

One issue tho, everything but Hippowdon is hindered by sandstorm

[molten oasis]

In a vgc sense he wouldn’t get to use it

[fringe kindle]

Oh and Empoleon isn't either Inguess

[gentle delta]

If the dudes asking about viability being unique isnt a factor

It has no synergies or game plan

[molten oasis]

Also, what mythical did he get?

[gentle delta]

Mel

[molten oasis]

Oh right he did get a melmetal

[fringe kindle]

Nah man, respect the play

[gentle delta]

This channel is for competitive discussion, creativity in teambuilding is a non factor

[misty helm]

would you advise giving it sand force instead of sand stream

[molten oasis]

Being creative in vgc is overrated

[fringe kindle]

I mean then Hippowdon effectively has no ability unless you manually summon Sand

[molten oasis]

You run sand stream on hipowdon

[tough idol]

I'm in a server where someone's taking a gimmick team to Liverpool in the hopes they get a mention on stream

[fringe kindle]

If you want weather with benefit I'd say go Pelipper

Helps out your Empoleon better as well

[molten oasis]

Lmao

[fringe kindle]

Besides there are other competitive formats, do whatever

[molten oasis]

He can wish

[fringe kindle]

What are you planning to use the team for anyhow?

[misty helm]

I also plan to run a bulky attacking set so do you think it benefit more from sand than without it

[fringe kindle]

It would benefit more from sand

Only issue is nothing else on your team would

Everything but Empoleon will take damage from it

If you want a bulky ground type I'd say go Gliscor

[misty helm]

essentially doing chip damage alongside actual damage

[fringe kindle]

Has some decent speed and power, high bulk and recovery in roost

Yeah basically

And chip damage can mean EVERYTHING

Although I guess Hippowdon works in lower tiers but that's all depending on what you're aiming for

Whats the plan for the team?

[misty helm]

just planning on a theme team for battle stadium singles

[fringe kindle]

Uhh

No clue what that is but IT WILL BE FINE 😄

[misty helm]

it's themed off of the movie Madagascar

Alex the pyroar, Gloria the hippowdon, Marty the zebstrika, Melman the farigiraf, King Julian the passimian, and Skipper the empoleon

Plus I think the team would probably be able to catch people off guard because of my skill level with using about any Pokemon and the fact that players don't ever see a team like this one

[bold geode]

Yeah catching off guard usually ain't do the trick

Maybe some in the BO1 CTS side of things, but as soon as you come by someone with good experience or across an OTS environment, then you're done for

Which is why "surprise factor" ain't usually recommended

[misty helm]

yeah my plan with the pyroar consists of activating throat spray as soon as possible with hyper voice/snarl

[chrome knot]

singles yuck🔥

[misty helm]

and passimian I have defiant on it so I could use it against intimidate same goes for emopoleon which would probably hold the adrenaline orb

other strategies I thought of include nasty plot set up with farigiraf with cud chew and sitrus berry

[tough idol]

My singles knowledge = 0

also what @chrome knot said eeewww singles

[chrome knot]

bc doubles are just better

knoxville next weekend im ready to go nuts

prog said im day 2 material thatll be my flex even if i do bad

[tough idol]

2 more days until I travel for my experience

[chrome knot]

ooooo

[tough idol]

Switches get packed away an hour before I leave the house

[chrome knot]

best of luck

ill be watching just to see if theres any weird breakthroughs in eu meta

[tough idol]

@lofty tartan team builder, as I suck still.

I ran a about 120 games on ladder with various teams and this is the only one I have had decent results and comfortable with

[chrome knot]

ive made a monster thats flown under the radar bc all the eyes are on iron crown

[tough idol]

Avert your eyes dammit

[next stump]

day 2 is all a mental game

you got this

[tough idol]

I think my age will help in a way, I do not get stressed very easily these days.

Plus going in with the goal of 1 win and enjoying myself will keep me positive mentally.

[next stump]

bring some snacks and water and you’ll be good

i think a lot of people flame out at the end of the day

[tough idol]

Calling at my workplace before I leave. 30% discount on snacks and water LOL

[chrome knot]

i need pack snacks and like 100 waterbottles

[turbid furnace]

Can someone trade me a goodra

[tough idol]

#trading_sv_non_shiny

[autumn kelp]

mineral water with natural lemon juice will keep you more hydrated than drinking more water

[misty helm]

so be honest how terrible is this team consisting of some favorites of mine in singles

[chrome knot]

everyone in the current discussion is a vgc doubles player

[misty helm]

okay so nobody here knows

[chrome knot]

would say more that nobody really pays attention to singles (?)

[chrome knot]

ooo will keep that noted

@next stump when you take notes what do you look out for

id assume damage calcs, leads, switch ins for turns

[next stump]

yes, yes, and yes

speed tiers too

that’s mostly it

[tough idol]

Maybe also speed tiers

Lol Dillon just said it

May I DM @next stump

[next stump]

yeah of course 🙂

[chrome knot]

speed tiers is gonna be a weird af one for me

[tough idol]

It's just making notes on

What you outspeed you may not have calc for and same for being outsped

That's my take on it

[chrome knot]

no i mean

157(314 most games) & 22

[tough idol]

You may still want to make notes for TW mirrors assuming you are TW

[chrome knot]

no

not tw

[tough idol]

Can you tell I'm a novice. Yep I was wrong. It's Unburden?

[chrome knot]

still no :3

chlorophyll

[tough idol]

dammit Sun team

[brazen bough]

Do you also look at your opponents face to see what they are actually doing

[tough idol]

Hisui Lilligant

[brazen bough]

Thats what i did to predict some ppl at charlotte

[chrome knot]

i wear hats

and show no reaction

[tough idol]

How did you do? If I may ask

[brazen bough]

Ass

But i went against devastating opponents and mus

[tough idol]

I'm 44 years old, grumpy and always look like I need a pint opponents ain't reading me

[brazen bough]

I played nicholas in r2 and someone else that went to 5 regionals before in my last

So yea

Then i dropped for final round

[tough idol]

I'm playing all 9. Even if I lose them all.

Though 5-4 or 6-3 would.be nice. I'll take a 2-7 for a first OTS.

[mighty stump]

Imagine taking notes

Use vibes

[bold geode]

"My vibes tell me this hit will be super effective"

[charred saddle]

thats Hlilli speed tier haha

252 adamant

i like Hlilli speed numbers, feels satisfying

[tired sage]

[chrome knot]

hehe lillikoal is coming to knox

[charred saddle]

gl gl

[chrome knot]

thanks

[tired sage]

lilikoal was one of the first teams i picked up

[chrome knot]

nobody is prepped for the monster ive created

[tired sage]

:0
goodluck

[tough idol]

Dillon knows my 50/50 team for weekend.

[chrome knot]

thank youuuu

[tough idol]

More than likely Team 1

[chrome knot]

looking to win at least 1 game

[tough idol]

Drop us a name when you start. I'll track you

[tired sage]

i’m sure you’ll win more than 1

[mighty stump]

Name: smelly buttfarts

[tough idol]

Lol I haven't named team, no nicknames

Not even sure they show up. Never played OTS

[chrome knot]

Emma Brooks

[mighty stump]

What

[tired sage]

[chrome knot]

what

[mighty stump]

You told me yopur first name is Smelly

[bold geode]

Really
I heard it was Stinky

[mighty stump]

That's your own name

[charred saddle]

[tough idol]

I am the super British name

Peter Morris

[mighty stump]

Chips n Curry Sauce

Oh

[charred saddle]

ur a cat?

[bold geode]

Wait no that's the other friend
Someone told me though that they liked a certain movie that came out same time as Barbie movie

[chrome knot]

amys cat

[charred saddle]

🐒

[bold geode]

No not monkey

[charred saddle]

shame

[bold geode]

Tofu what's that movie again

[mighty stump]

Sloppenheimer on this dick monke

[bold geode]

Lmao

[tough idol]

I need more UK VGC ppl lol 😆

Hoping to connect a bit this weekend

[brazen bough]

...

[karmic temple]

LMAO

[tough idol]

Should be Chips, cheese n Gravy. Yorkshire style

[mighty stump]

I miss the UK only becuase of my favourite kebab place is there

[charred saddle]

what about the wo'ah

the bo'oh o' wo'ah

[mighty stump]

I mean, I lived in Scotland so

That's just the chavs

[charred saddle]

sekarang di?

[mighty stump]

Ya skrg disini bang

[charred saddle]

hows palworld btw

[mighty stump]

Mashallah balik June ini sambil kerja

[charred saddle]

about to buy it with friends soon

[charred saddle]

balik kemana? luar negeri ato indo?

[mighty stump]

Luar negeri

[charred saddle]

oo

[mighty stump]

Besok interview

Semoga diterima

wkwkw

[charred saddle]

ooo gl gl

[brazen bough]

good luck

[mighty stump]

Thanks

Gotta get dat job so I can build a good future for me and my partner

[brazen bough]

Im rooting for you

[charred saddle]

and good food

[brazen bough]

make her happy

[mighty stump]

Good food is a must

[charred saddle]

[mighty stump]

Damn, I am gonna miss the chinese food though

[brazen bough]

Italian >

[mighty stump]

Can't relate

[brazen bough]

wait are you moving tofu?

[mighty stump]

Well i'll be probably working in the UK for a few years if everything goes well

By then I hope to ideally start avenues of saving up so by then, ill return to Indonesia and hope to open my own clinic

[bold geode]

Thank fuck, timezones will be a bit better

[brazen bough]

join the circuit

[charred saddle]

hohoho

[mighty stump]

That's also part of the plan

[bold geode]

Lol
Yes

[brazen bough]

Now you will be able to be amazed by your own skill

[tough idol]

Are you UK

[brazen bough]

nope us

[bold geode]

YEAH AMERICA

[brazen bough]

LAND OF THE FREE 🇺🇸

[mighty stump]

Land of the fries

[tough idol]

I'm using a US team into the unknown EU meta.

[mighty stump]

I still have fond memories of IHOP

[molten oasis]

Land of the fries?

[bold geode]

Honestly lmao
That's funny

Land of the fries
And the home of the burgers

[charred saddle]

indo Land of the rice

[tough idol]

This is now a thing.

The land of the fries
And the home of the cheese

[bold geode]

Wow racist

[charred saddle]

you eat everything with rice

[mighty stump]

Fr

Gada nasi gada senang

[charred saddle]

kalo kata mama, ga pake nasi artinya belom makan

[mighty stump]

BENAR

[bold geode]

Jeidhebe jdjd edn eienexushakak dudbe sz

[charred saddle]

damn racist

[mighty stump]

Monke comparing our language to gibberish

Racism indeed

[molten oasis]

Tf

[brazen bough]

This guy tried perish trapping me and i powered through his entire team 😂

[bold geode]

It's kinda what it looks like
It's weird but interesting

Not saying it is gibberish

[molten oasis]

Perish trap is weird lol

[mighty stump]

Sure Monke

Sure

[brazen bough]

its not as hard as ppl make it out to be

[charred saddle]

[bold geode]

Y'know what Tofu

[molten oasis]

We all know monke’s intentions

[bold geode]

Wow saying this
Racist

[mighty stump]

No idk what, why don't you ask Brady

[brazen bough]

imagine scream tails on fari balance teams

i might just do that

[mighty stump]

Id be concerned about the level of offense there

Like Scream Tail + Farigiraf isn't the most offensive board state

[molten oasis]

Mmm yes, I love doing 0 damage lol

[bold geode]

Tofu don't make me call my favorite Ninja Turtle on you

[mighty stump]

What, Brady?

[bold geode]

Nooooooo

You know who

[brazen bough]

scream tails is gonna be disruption with booster

[mighty stump]

No ofc its Brady

[mighty stump]

Yeah, but after disruption you need to be able to capitalise with impactful turns still

[molten oasis]

Oh wow, how original

That’s like, the only thing it can do besides screens

[brazen bough]

the idea isnt being original

[mighty stump]

Maybe NPlot Giraffe

But otherwise

[brazen bough]

yeah im running nplot

[molten oasis]

I wouldn’t pair scream tail and Fari

[mighty stump]

Imo you'd probably could try building off of Anton Galkin's team if you want Scream Tail

[brazen bough]

thats on the repo right?

[mighty stump]

Should be

Btw just because Farigiraf is good doesn't mean you gotta run it on everything

I still don't think it's all that

[brazen bough]

i love fari

[mighty stump]

Best Helping Hand bot

But eh

[rustic sail]

oi chat

[brazen bough]

mostly just for the anti prio

[rustic sail]

is it supposed to be this hard to set up a competiive team on your own for the first time

[molten oasis]

Yea

[brazen bough]

because i hate being diced by entei and paonite

and also just saying

helping hand fari with full bulk hearth is super good

[mighty stump]

Why full bulk though

Speed would let you capitalise and geet KOs

[molten oasis]

You should run enough speed to outspeed lando i imo

[rustic sail]

goddamn it cause like ive seen people whip up teams easily with trading but i literally have no shinies or anything worthy to trade lol

[brazen bough]

well 1 you get the bulk which is obvious also has a good defensive typing so you get the most out of follow me
2. hearth gets +1 on tera which makes up for the loss in damage maybe not speed

[molten oasis]

Teambuilding is hard

[molten oasis]

You don’t have Tera specifically for hearth every game

[brazen bough]

and also lower speed hearth underspeeds some pretty interestning things you wouldnt expect

so its perfect for getting off tr's

[lofty tartan]

YOU DO NOT

[brazen bough]

well you won't need it most games

[molten oasis]

Hearth is faster than like, most of the meta

[lofty tartan]

'

[brazen bough]

im just speaking from how my games went

[molten oasis]

How much speed were you running?

[brazen bough]

0

[mighty stump]

It's probably ineffficient to run it in that method when the same board state can be done differently and probably better for certain MUs.

[molten oasis]

Why 0 tho

[brazen bough]

spread was 252 hp 228 def 30 spd

[fringe kindle]

So we all agree Minior is the most powerful Pokemon in Indigo Disk right?

[molten oasis]

You should be outspeeding at least adamant urshifu

[mighty stump]

No.

[molten oasis]

No

[fringe kindle]

So why am I the only one using it ;-;

What do you mean no

[molten oasis]

It’s just not

[brazen bough]

the team was hard tr mostly too which you should take into account

[fringe kindle]

It just is

[mighty stump]

Even if its hard TR

[molten oasis]

You did not tell us that

[mighty stump]

It shuoldnt be 0 speed

[fringe kindle]

Like what's not to love?

[brazen bough]

yeah i missed that

[molten oasis]

And then you STILL want to be outspeeding things anyway

[brazen bough]

but it was originally a wellspring spread

[molten oasis]

If it’s hard tr you have many other options for when you click tr

[fringe kindle]

Shell Smash with the White Herb and Tera Acrobatics

[bold geode]

Doesn't matter
Still not good

[fringe kindle]

Plus it comes in 7 funky colours

Still VERY good

Name ONE flaw that Minior has

[molten oasis]

It explodes to urshifu

[mighty stump]

Anecdotes are not the measure of whether or not something is good. If this is a joke it's a very poor one

[fringe kindle]

Everything explodes to Urshifu, it's Urshifu

[bold geode]

Wow my rainbow will surely do something
Tera Water Urshifu Surging Strikes

[molten oasis]

Not true

[brazen bough]

are you talking abt me?

[molten oasis]

Rillaboom, raging bolt, farigiraf, etc don’t explode to it

[bold geode]

Mr Minior guy

[mighty stump]

No, the Minior guy.

[fringe kindle]

Yeah but like

[mighty stump]

It's not the most common occurrence

[brazen bough]

O

[bold geode]

Yeah but like
No

[fringe kindle]

Tera Flying Acrobatics takes out 3 of those

[mighty stump]

But people tend to come in and say this and that about their niche mons/favourite mons

[severe stratus]

Anyone want to trade who has violet? I need iron treads 😦

[bold geode]

Not a trading channel

[brazen bough]

#trading_rules

[mighty stump]

Just because theres some degree of personal success

[molten oasis]

Man I’d love to say that Hydrapple is incredible, I just can’t lol

[mighty stump]

Which honestly is objectively most of the time untrue

[brazen bough]

there is a seperate section for trading

[mighty stump]

And the pushback to hearing it is quite frustrating when statistics and the meta state otherwise

[fringe kindle]

Besides not everything has to be top tier VGC nonsense

[mighty stump]

And generally better players say otherwise

[bold geode]

Yeah I like Infernape, it's my favorite
Still doesn't change the fact it's shit

[fringe kindle]

Like there are other tiers

[mighty stump]

This isn't Smogon.

[bold geode]

Yeah but why play shit stuff lol

[fringe kindle]

It's still competitive though?

Like I get what your saying

[mighty stump]

Plus, no matter what nonsense you want to run, you still need to consider the metagame that is "top tier VGC nonsense" though

[fringe kindle]

Nono, I consider it

I also consider that Minior, being the goober that he is, takes everything out but Littlefoot

[mighty stump]

Do you? Cause you're saying Minior is extremely powerful when in reality, it isn't

[fringe kindle]

Because he's awesome and shaped like a starbit 🙂

[mighty stump]

I'd accept if you were just being like "I like Minior, I think he's cool and can use Shell Smash set"

But that wasn't the proposed idea.

Even in the most bottom rung of bottom rungs it's unused

[bold geode]

Lmao
Crazy it's even used that much

[molten oasis]

Lmao that’s so low

[mighty stump]

So you can't really say it's good

[fringe kindle]

Yeah but that's because people just don't see it's ⭐LUSTER✨

[molten oasis]

Because there isn’t any luster

[mighty stump]

And this mostly derails any relevant discussion since it's a biased statement from the get go with no intention of actually opening up the conversation

[karmic temple]

Me crying bc no one uses tentacruel despite my love for it

[molten oasis]

We can’t all use our favorites

[fringe kindle]

People don't use Tentacruel anymore?

[molten oasis]

Unless you’re something currently meta

[mighty stump]

People never did.

[bold geode]

My favorites are Gouging Fire and Kingambit and Rillaboom 🖕

[fringe kindle]

I remember it being everywhere in Gen 6

Hm

[molten oasis]

Good for you monke

[mighty stump]

3 Generations ago?

[fringe kindle]

I don't know man it's a bulky water type, they're always good

And Minior is better

[molten oasis]

Eh

[fringe kindle]

It can also EXPLODE

[dapper crag]

Pokémon No. 73: Tentacruel

Types

Water/Poison

Abilities

Clear Body, Liquid Ooze, Rain Dish (Hidden)

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

80/70/65/80/120/100

Total

515

SableyeBot version 4.25.1

[molten oasis]

it loses to shifu lmao

That defense is so low

[brazen bough]

hey just a question but are you open to running friendlies from time to time i want to play in indianapolis this time since i did so bad in charlotte I also want to gauge how my skill level has improved

[fringe kindle]

Yeah but everything loses to Urshifu, except maybe our Sauropod friend

Flutter Mane MAYBE

[molten oasis]

…

[fringe kindle]

Iron Hands

[oblique sigil]

I was playing online earlier(not showdown) and I used my Incin fake out on opponents whimsicott to prevent tailwind but the whimsicott still manage to use it? do u guys know why this happen

[fringe kindle]

Okay there's quite a few but it's still a small list

[molten oasis]

Hands is mid asf

[mighty stump]

Sorry, I don't do friendlies.

[molten oasis]

Now

[mighty stump]

Covert Cloak

[fringe kindle]

Besides it's still Fighting Type

[bold geode]

Y'know what doesn't lose to Minior
Competency

[fringe kindle]

Acrobatics sweeeeeeeeep

[mighty stump]

The reason I don't do friendlies is cause someone ruined the mood while doing friendlies

And there is no gain/loss for me

well, more loss than anything

and the afterwards was the most aggravating thing to deal with

[fringe kindle]

Yeah but like, when do you ever find a competent Pokemon battler?

[brazen bough]

there is strictly no mood ruining just learning is the only intent

[fringe kindle]

Like, maybe 2% of the time

[oblique sigil]

Ohh that explains it. Was confused why it didn't work because I knew fake out has +3 priority. Ty!

[gentle crag]

mightiezz has given 1 Gen Rep to woodtofu

[brazen bough]

but i understand the no gain/loss

[molten oasis]

High elo has lots of of competent players

[brazen bough]

so yeah i get it

[mighty stump]

But ill make an exception then

[tired sage]

regieleki does that better

[fringe kindle]

Ehhhh if they exist then I'm just getting lucky with matchmaking lol

[molten oasis]

Id even say out of low elo hell there’s plenty of competent players

[mighty stump]

What elo, how many games, and WR/GXE?

[fringe kindle]

What

[mighty stump]

If theres numbers to back up this statement about Minior's performance, I'm willing to listen

[brazen bough]

man im supposed to be playing in himmy turners tour today

[molten oasis]

Do you play on the switch or on showdown?

[brazen bough]

but looks like im gonna miss it

[mighty stump]

What rank/elo, across how many games total, and what's the winrate with it/GXE

[fringe kindle]

I do both, although most everything on physical was Gen 6 and 7

[mighty stump]

Also

In that case, since you're competing @brazen bough check DMs

[fringe kindle]

Porygon just kept getting shoved into the DLCs and a team without Porygon is a team with no meaning ;-;

Also Dynamax confused the hell out of me

Very cool gimmick, love the Kaiju battles, but it's just odd competitively

[mighty stump]

P2 could probably still perform alright.

[molten oasis]

Wtf gen are you playing

[fringe kindle]

Gen 6, I'm shiny hunting for the beasts 🙂

[tough idol]

Wtf

[molten oasis]

[fringe kindle]

Hehehe

[tired sage]

beasts…?

[mighty stump]

-calc 187/2

[gentle crag]

Result: 93.500000