competitive_discussion

[molten oasis]

Lando i mu is awful, I need some changes here

https://pokepast.es/1fd9e1d8dc2279ee thoughts on replacements?

[scarlet otter]

VGC Guide, Pikalytics, Smogon usage

Meta to look out for is RB, IC, Farigaraf, Indeede, Incineroar, FM, Urshifu-R, Rilaboom, Tornadus-I, Landorous-I for VGC @icy estuary

BM Ursaluna got some nice usage too

[scarlet otter]

Some support can help

Whole team is very offensive

Tornadus-I, Incineroar and Amoonguss are good choices

Would leantorwards Amoonguss in this team

[icy estuary]

Vgc is double no?

[scarlet otter]

Yeah

[icy estuary]

Thanks for all these!

[icy estuary]

Ok I think right now I’m more into singles but this may change 🙂

[scarlet otter]

Singles is mainly Kingambit, Sneasler, Urshifu, FM, Landorous-I, IB, Anhilape, Baxcalibur, Ogerpon (Flame) and Palafin

[icy estuary]

Haha interesting, not using any right now 😂

[molten oasis]

…I will consider torn but the other 2 make the lando i mu the same, bad

[scarlet otter]

Well what are you using?

[icy estuary]

What’s the name of the format I should look at on munchstats for single battles in battle stadium?

[scarlet otter]

BSS

Reg F

[icy estuary]

Gliscor dragonite flutter mane gholdengo glimmora walking wake right now

[icy estuary]

Thanks!

[gentle crag]

kb_76 has given 1 Gen Rep to rayothewindfan

[scarlet otter]

That's if you are planning to play in SV game

[nocturne holly]

what is this bro

[scarlet otter]

If you are planning to play on Showdown then just OU or Ubers singles

@icy estuary can you share pokepaste?

[icy estuary]

Ok I need to upload my team on showdown I assume to export it then? (Been playing on the switch)

[scarlet otter]

Yeah showdown should be the place you start teambuilding. No you don't export

After you make the team on Showdown press upload to PokePaste and send link

[hybrid osprey]

Anyone have a good iron bundle build for singles ranked

[icy estuary]

Thanks!

[gentle crag]

kb_76 has given 1 Gen Rep to rayothewindfan

[scarlet otter]

Iron Bundle @ Heavy-Duty Boots / Booster Energy / Choice Specs
Ability: Quark Drive
EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Tera Type: Ice / Water
Timid Nature

• Freeze-Dry
• Hydro Pump
• Ice Beam
• Flip Turn / Taunt / Encore

[molten oasis]

https://pokepast.es/b18e6dd88fd566ed thoughts?

[hybrid osprey]

@scarlet otter thx

[gentle crag]

freshxn3ptune has given 1 Gen Rep to rayothewindfan

[scarlet otter]

Needs support

Oh wait

I am blind, I didn't see Latias

[scarlet otter]

Np, now say "mochi" in https://discord.com/channels/663661005514997770/1138071147162894427

[karmic temple]

Why heat crash over flare blitz

[molten oasis]

My guy the Latias is support

[scarlet otter]

Yeah I didn't see it

[scarlet otter]

No recoil

[molten oasis]

Rillaboom and gouging fire are fake out and damage control

[dapper crag]

Move: Heat Crash

The power of this move depends on (user's weight / target's weight), rounded down. Power is equal to 120 if the result is 5 or more, 100 if 4, 80 if 3, 60 if 2, and 40 if 1 or less. Damage doubles and no accuracy check is done if the target has used Minimize while active.

Type

Fire

Category

Physical

Power

0

Accuracy

100

PP (max)

10 (16)

Move Flags

​

Mirror

Copied by Mirror Move.

Contact

Makes contact.

SableyeBot version 4.25.1

[molten oasis]

So there’s support, gouging fire is a support Mon here

[scarlet otter]

And Landorous with Intimidate

[tidal blade]

thoughts?
https://pokepast.es/2745a35ff130efc7

[scarlet otter]

Why Double Kick?

[karmic temple]

Variable move damage vs 120bp with some recoil

I’d rather the recoil

[scarlet otter]

Farigaraf is a support special attacker

[next stump]

cool team

[tidal blade]

weakness policy proc on ursaluna

also surprisingly does like 60% to chienpao

[scarlet otter]

Oh

[molten oasis]

Mhmm

[next stump]

I think it might be better to run -SPE nature Farig and -SPE nature Ursaluna though, there could be some awkward speed interactions under TR otherwise

does modest 4SPE ursaluna bloodmoon hit 71SPE

[molten oasis]

Sash single shifu 🤝

[next stump]

oh wait it's even faster right? cause it's faster than hands

[tidal blade]

73 spe

[molten oasis]

Id like to ask as well, https://pokepast.es/b18e6dd88fd566ed thoughts on this from ya? It had bolt but the lando i mu felt atrocious

[scarlet otter]

Why Speed Ivs and evs on TR?

[tidal blade]

not my ivs but im assuming its to outspeed a mirror match outside of trick room

[molten oasis]

The ev spreads make sense as you can’t invest in just 4

However 0 ivs would be ideal

[scarlet otter]

True but 4 evs should do the trick

Or 1 Iv?

[tidal blade]

actually the evs do matter i forgot

the evs/ivs make farigiraf 1 point slower than blood moon

so i can proc weakness policy before bm attacks in tr

i can go slower tho and get the same effect

[next stump]

I think it’s pretty much objectively better to run min SPE farig and min SPE ursa, or at least slower

like underspeed 70SPE so you’re slower than kingambits and all that

[tidal blade]

i found a spread to get farig to 65 spe and bm to 66

[molten oasis]

Ig that works

[tidal blade]

is there a way to check in game if I get exactly 18 speed evs on ursaluna

[scarlet otter]

I got them down to 58

Farigiraf @ Safety Goggles
Ability: Armor Tail
Level: 50
Tera Type: Water
EVs: 228 HP / 196 Def / 4 SpA / 76 SpD
Relaxed Nature
IVs: 0 Spe

• Psychic
• Double Kick
• Helping Hand
• Trick Room

[tidal blade]

oh right forgot abt natures

[scarlet otter]

THat one gives 58

Ursaluna-Bloodmoon @ Weakness Policy
Ability: Mind's Eye
Level: 50
Tera Type: Normal
EVs: 164 HP / 44 Def / 200 SpA / 100 SpD
Modest Nature
IVs: 0 Atk / 4 Spe

• Blood Moon
• Earth Power
• Hyper Voice
• Protect

This one gives 57

Oh wait I am dumb

[tidal blade]

i need farig to be slower

but I found a way

with 58 & 59

[scarlet otter]

Yeah I set wrong ivs

4 Speed Ivs

But that's going to be a pain to get on SV

[tidal blade]

https://tenor.com/view/we-work-to-earn-the-right-to-work-the-fine-print-stupendium-gif-5501240041335051414

[molten oasis]

Me who’s still jobless

[nocturne holly]

aren’t you a sushi chef or smth

[karmic temple]

I roll things

Not sushi but things

[molten oasis]

Could be

I was but I had to quit bcuz of college

[nocturne holly]

oh

[molten oasis]

Not that I like working in food industry

Fucking sucks

[nocturne holly]

fr

[tough idol]

@scarlet otter can you not breed for a 0IV Farig

Using a 0 speed Ditto

[scarlet otter]

I'm talking about BM Ursaluna

Which need 4 Speed Ivs

Which will require calcs

[tough idol]

Can't you use a mon with one less speed than required, if you get outsped by the BM reset and go through cutscene again

[scarlet otter]

Nope we can't since we need 4 speed ivs to ensure Farigaraf activates Policy in TR before Ursaluna moves

[tough idol]

Ah you specifically need the 4 not just a low speed

[scarlet otter]

Yeah

4-5 they both give the same raw speed

[icy estuary]

I did all this but don’t have the link 😅

Sorry I’m really a noob with this 😂

https://pokepast.es/60fa7f80c630ea0d

[molten oasis]

[molten oasis]

Alright, so, is this for VGC or BSS? (Doubles or Singles)

[kind ember]

I’m proud to say I just sent someone into their villain arc after they tried to use three priority moves when my farigiraf was on the field!

[smoky hawk]

I have a team with a lot of priority and I use kingambit for that reason

[cyan smelt]

Kingambit is so op

[icy estuary]

Bss singles

[molten oasis]

Mk

[fringe hatch]

What y'all think is better? Triple axel or icicle spear with loaded dice?

[karmic temple]

Debating doing some DA’s for a shiny latias 😭

[tidal blade]

could just be my awful luck but i do not remember the last time i hit 3 triple axels

but it depends on the mon and if there are any better items

[fringe hatch]

What are good counters for water urshafu and fire ogerpon? I keep seeing them every match and am getting frustrated

[next stump]

Water Ogerpon does pretty well into both, Rillaboom is an answer to watch Urshifu, Raging Bolt does pretty decent into both but be careful of Stomping Tantrum on Oger

other than that, neither pokemon wants to face trick room so that is another option

Dragonite also has a positive matchup into both

[azure karma]

hyper training an incineroar, should i max its speed or does it not want that ig?

[next stump]

if you’re just using it on a regular team, you may as well max speed

[azure karma]

fair enough, thank you

[tawdry tapir]

You guys think its worth it to reset for low/0 speed on bloodmoon luna?

[next stump]

yes IMO

[tawdry tapir]

Hmm should i shoot for 0 or can i get away with Decent do you think

[next stump]

decent is a pretty wide range

[tawdry tapir]

True…

[next stump]

IMO shoot for either 0-1SPE IV (same thing) or 2-3SPE IV (same thing)

that way you either know you’re the lowest possible speed, or the second lowest possible

for the mirror

[tawdry tapir]

Are there any good sites to calc the exact IV?

Not sure if showdown will tell me

If i just put it in at lv 70 with no EVs

[next stump]

the nerd of now damage calculator can do it, i’m sure showdown can too*

[tawdry tapir]

Alright ill try showdown first

Is nerd of now the name of the other site?

I havent heard of it

[next stump]

yes, if you just google nerd of now damage calc it’ll be the top result

[lunar fiber]

I use gliscor anything i can do to make it comp?

[tawdry tapir]

Alright ill start grinding, ty

[gentle crag]

gonkdroidenjoyer has given 1 Gen Rep to mlbd

[smoky hawk]

0-1 IV is the same at lvl 50

My ursaluna is 1 IV in speed

[onyx crown]

Alright. Rank the Paradox Legends (Iron Crown, Iron Boulder, Gouging Fire, and Raging Bolt) from Best to Worst. I need professional opinions.

[tawdry tapir]

This is not going well 😭

It keeps coming out at 31

[mighty stump]

@tawdry tapir At level 70, Bloodmoon Ursaluna will have a Speed stat of 78 on a neutral nature, 70 on a -ve spe nature and 85 on a +ve spe nature.

This is at 1 IV.

I just used Showdown for this

[tawdry tapir]

Yeah i checked on showdown and now just checking it in the menu when i catch it. 31 is 99 and i keep getting it every time 😭

[chrome knot]

hhgrd

[onyx crown]

If I get rid of my Gouging Fire for an Iron Boulder to build that up for comp, am I in a losing position or am I getting a good Pokémon out of it?

[tawdry tapir]

Gouging is way better than boulder atm

[onyx crown]

So, if I trade Raging Bolt for Iron Boulder would that be winning or losing trade

[tawdry tapir]

Why would you do that

Thats even worse

[onyx crown]

I don't know how good any of them are

[tawdry tapir]

Raging Bolt is top meta rn

Do not let anyone convince you to trade it, especially for an iron boulder

[onyx crown]

Ah. So give away Raging Bolt for a Weedle. I see, I see. Smart thinking.

[cyan smelt]

bm ursa is always hardy nature

[runic bloom]

what should i name my shiny whimsicott

[cyan smelt]

the terror

[runic bloom]

😭 okay

[cyan smelt]

or fluffball

or cotton bud

just beat someone even though they reversed my trick room, kingambit and clodsire save the day!

[runic bloom]

i like cotton bud

[runic bloom]

reverse curse technique

[cyan smelt]

whimsicott is very floofy

[runic bloom]

it started spinning in circled around me and singing

[cyan smelt]

i didn't know it did that, that's adorable

my boy clodsire also helped me beat a dondozo team

clodsire is deceptively bulky

[tawdry tapir]

Got the 0 speed luna after only 2 hours, lets go!!

[cyan smelt]

congrats

[tawdry tapir]

Attack IV is 2 too, wow

[cyan smelt]

poggers

[elder root]

What would be the best illusion for hisuian zoroark this format?

I wanna bait some fake outs

[wintry canyon]

Who here thinks smart

for comp pokemon

[runic bloom]

me

i’m actually known as light yagami in this community.

jk

[wintry canyon]

your bio calls you the worst comp player..?

[icy hamlet]

Trying to build a team with emboar. Any thoughts or comments would help

[wintry canyon]

maybe urshifu?

[wintry canyon]

bring a flying or grass or water type idk

maybe palafin

[cyan smelt]

not palafin

ogerpon

[icy hamlet]

I was thinking bundle

[cyan smelt]

bundle gets deleted by raging bolt

[wintry canyon]

bundle is not tanky enough

[icy hamlet]

I see. rotom wash maybe?

[cyan smelt]

ogerpon wellspring

[little plank]

This took a bit longer then I would have liked lol

[mighty stump]

Either Screens + FWG with Bulk Up set up is your best bet. Or just shoving it as the fire slot on Balance.

It sucks because it takes up the Incin slot but what can you do.

[near smelt]

Hey what are ways to run bulky tailwind?

[near smelt]

Also yeah running all 3 (Mandibuzz, Ttar and Boulder) left a lot of weaknesses. Each did some value but a lot of conflicting things

[mighty stump]

Overall it's a high-power level metagame so it's not going to be forgiving

[cyan smelt]

Does haze get rid of proto boosts?

[bronze bay]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2024regf-2037969313-oj66jj9xrqhuakmoxmwo9nn8t5ei1r5pw

this was silly

[gentle delta]

Proto doesnt boost so no

a boost in pokemon is a pretty specific thing and proto/quark dont do that

They add a multiplier to your stats but its not done in a way that can be ignored or changed. Crits wont go through proto defence boosts for example either

[gentle delta]

Palafin is good still just niche

[cyan smelt]

Thanks

Where's the rep bot

[icy estuary]

I attacked BM ursaluna with a fighting move and they said it has no effect, what is it due to?

[cyan smelt]

Did it tera

[real prairie]

Looking for a way to set up psychic terrain on my rain team due to being slapped by priority moves (specifically thunder clap), any suggestions?

[cyan smelt]

A simpler way is to just use redirection, ogerpon wellspring with follow me will cause thunderclap to fail

[real prairie]

Love it! thank you

[cyan smelt]

Np!

[real prairie]

that actually would have won me 3 games Yesterday LOL simple stuff

i got absolutely killed by a sucker punch ursha and thunder clap combo yesterday 😢

[cyan smelt]

Yeah rather than changing your whole team around to fit something that doesn't synergise, better to find something that does

Ogerpon wellspring is good in rain too

[real prairie]

Already had a bulky follow me Ogrepon in the team anyway, just went over my head that it would cause the priorty moves to fail

thought he would just take the hits

big oversight

[icy estuary]

No it didn’t:/

[cyan smelt]

Nah stuff like sucker punch and thunderclap fail with redirection

What move did you use on the ursaluna

[real prairie]

Beautiful, thanks again

[icy estuary]

Tera blast with fighting tera

[cyan smelt]

I don't know why that would have failed

No redirection or anything?

[real prairie]

whats the team?

[icy estuary]

Not that I could notice lol

[cyan smelt]

i have no clue then

[tough idol]

Only way would be Ghost Tera to say No Effect if I'm understanding right

[icy estuary]

Yeah not sure what happened im pretty sure it wasn’t tera crystallized

Probably a bug

[real prairie]

maybe its a hack-mon?

[mighty stump]

What move was it?

[cyan smelt]

tera blast tera fighting

[mighty stump]

What was the board state?

[real prairie]

If wellspring Ogre with a substitute gets hit by a water move, does water absord still activate?

[cyan smelt]

should do

[real prairie]

thinking follow me | Substitute alongside Swift Swim - Surf Ludicolo could be a good play

[cyan smelt]

watch out for torn though and i don't really know if dual water/grass is great

[dapper crag]

Someone wanna trde for paldea dex code is 11225588

[cyan smelt]

#trading_sv_pokedex

[mighty stump]

That coverage + typing overlap sounds horrendous

[real prairie]

yeah thats my gripe, I either have to give up spiky shield to have a covering move or give up a covering move to have substitute

[cyan smelt]

spiky shield is almost always better

[mighty stump]

Less of coverage, you just don't get Follow Me.

[real prairie]

Follow me is a must tbh, think I bin the substitute idea

[cyan smelt]

Spiky shield punishes fake out and grassy glide

[real prairie]

Yeah im set on Follow Me | Ivy Cudgel | Spiky Shield, just need the covering move

torn between Stomping Tantrum and U Turn

I considered brick break too for screen teams

[cyan smelt]

Stomping tantrum is good

[mighty stump]

Wheres your grass STAB

[real prairie]

on Ludicolo lol

[mighty stump]

You cannot guarantee Ludicolo and Ogerpon are always going to be on the field together.

[real prairie]

I know, but when I had wood hammer I found myself not using it more than I was, having a coverage move against the likes of Raging Bolt seems more important

[mighty stump]

Suit yourself, Ice Beam on Ludicolo is there.

Or just introduce a different mon altogether to improve that matchup, since its unfavourable from the get go.

[real prairie]

ah true on Ice beam, for whatever reason I thought Raging Bolt was SpD bulky

[real prairie]

We are up to 5 for our battle league, if anyone else fancies it #1196869047082557480 btw 🙂

[runic eagle]

so... where does a newbie dip their toes in. is there a well-known place beginners are expected to start?

[fallen garden]

Rental teams are always good

[runic eagle]

I moreso mean where do I train, 99% of what i hear about competitive is VGC tournaments and I highly doubt thats where im expected to start

[fallen garden]

Pokemon Showdown

[humble atlas]

Someone to do multiple battle with me and my friend?

[grizzled bronze]

you can use a rental team in in-game ladder and go from there

or showdown yeah

[runic eagle]

in-game ladder?

[grizzled bronze]

like ranked ladder

[real prairie]

Ingame has friendly or ranked matches

[grizzled bronze]

casual battles are bad if you wanna improve on vgc

[runic eagle]

ohh interesting

[fallen garden]

The idea is to borrow a competitive team and practice with it until you get better at piloting it

[grizzled bronze]

there's lots of resources on how to play competitive

[runic eagle]

is there a current phase the competitive scene is in right now? I know for a while every team had Landorus Therian

[real prairie]

Also check out Smogon, self proclaimed competitive pokemon battle university

[fallen garden]

We're early in the new Regulation F, so the meta has not fully developed yet

[grizzled bronze]

smogon is more of a singles kind of thing

[runic eagle]

smogon is the one with OU and UU and stuff right

[grizzled bronze]

yeah

[next stump]

the largest regional ever is happening this weekend, that would be a good opportunity to see what is meta and what performs well

[real prairie]

id imagine it will be riddled with Raging Bolt

[grizzled bronze]

maybe, maybe not

[runic eagle]

ohh, thats cool :0 where could i watch it? twitch?

[grizzled bronze]

twitch or youtube

official pokemon channel streams it

[fallen garden]

The commentators usually do a good job explaining what makes each team comp good

[real prairie]

Seen a few people absolutely sweep with Iron Crown recently too, but yeah will be exciting to see where the meta sits

[runic eagle]

how is Iron Crown compared to Metagross?

[grizzled bronze]

you can also rewatch portland regionals stream to see what's relevant rn

[grizzled bronze]

iron crown is a fast expanding force user, meta is a physical attacker with heavy slam

they're very different

[runic eagle]

i just know theyre the same type with very close BST's

so I wanted to see if it was a big deal or not like how Metagross was so much better than Bronzong

[real prairie]

The spread is different and Meta being a physical attacker leans it more towards the side of Steel over Psychic

[grizzled bronze]

same types doesn't mean they function the same

[real prairie]

Indeedee + Iron Crown combo is lethal if you aren't prepared for it.

[runic eagle]

Psychic terrain?

[real prairie]

yeah, boosts expanding force damage and makes it hit both op mons

[grizzled bronze]

dee + crown is so good

i got 1500 on my alt easily with it

[runic eagle]

yeahh, i dont know much about gen 8 pokemon in general but I understand Indeedee is a popular terrain / trick room setter

and then Hatterene is a trick room sweeper

[real prairie]

Im trying to find a dark type for my rain team just incase of Dee + Crown ladder appearances

[runic eagle]

i barely know what these words mean but i hear people talking about them

[mighty stump]

What's the rest of the team.

?

[karmic temple]

Hi tofu

[mighty stump]

Hello

[real prairie]

mine? still in progress @mighty stump 😅

[runic eagle]

hellofu tofu

[karmic temple]

Hope u enjoy your day

[real prairie]

looks a bit like this but its still a huge WIP

as you can tell im a mon short

[grizzled bronze]

why room service on amo

[real prairie]

Incase i have a trick room op

[grizzled bronze]

it's slow enough to outspeed most tr mons

[mighty stump]

I;m automatically inclined to suggest Pelipper immediately over Politoed

[grizzled bronze]

you get more value out of sitrus or rocky

[tough idol]

Isn't Among already slow enough for TR without lowering

[real prairie]

Pelipper has better offences but I like the bulk of Poli, but it is something i considered

[mighty stump]

You don't have any intense Rain sweepers like Urshifu/Basculegion. I also want ot mention Archaludon's and Wellsprings EVs are out of place

Yeah but bulk without purpose is just called a punching bag

Pelipper also provides speed control which WOgerpon sorely wants here and Archaludon can benefit.

It's more about the Flying coverage as well.

[real prairie]

Very true

[mighty stump]

Otherwise Rillaboom + Opposing WOgerpon is gonna have the freest match of their lives

[real prairie]

trying to shoe horn in my favourite mons but I guess its a toss up, I either get to keep Ludi or Poli, not both

[mighty stump]

Pelipper with Wide Guard also improves your Psyspam MU.

[real prairie]

Ive dealt with Rila quite well of recent, but understand where you are coming from

[mighty stump]

You're also missing Dragon STAB on Archa

[grizzled bronze]

might wanna change effect spore to regenerator

[mighty stump]

It's a high-power metagame atm, so mini errors add up quick sometimes.

Wellspring wants to outspeed Lando-I at the minimum

[real prairie]

Even though Ludi does anyway?

[mighty stump]

I don't like having singular answers to things

Lose Ludicolo, what happens then

It's also about turn efficiency

Ludicolo means it HAS to be the one to deal with Lando-I specifically so your options overall become limited

[real prairie]

last few days I haven't seen much Lando on the ladder, still a staple?

[mighty stump]

26% usage, no 6

Where on the ladder and how many games?

Imo it's still an important consideration

Also, considering its a rain team might as well run your own Lando-I

[real prairie]

Might be an answer to my last mon

was considering if i wanted a Prankster - Tailwind setter

[mighty stump]

Tornadus is an alternative.

I just don't consider Torn a great sweeper.

[zenith jungle]

Enables sweepers

[real prairie]

I used to have a team with Torn + RegiD for the tailwind dragon energy, I like Tornadus but worried about him being outsped by Whimsicott now

[zenith jungle]

That's what I have!

[mighty stump]

Meh, Whimsicott doesn't have a favourable matchup into Tornadus sometimes. It also doesn't matter since your goal is just to equalise the board state.

[grizzled bronze]

i dont think whims always run taunt

[mighty stump]

You just click Bleakwind irregardless and stagger TWs

[real prairie]

I used to do cloak on Torn and Tera Ghost Drago to completely stop fakeouts as they were so common

[zenith jungle]

Mines steel

[mighty stump]

Seems unnecessary to Tera Ghost when you can just slot in Protect

Unless you're choice'd

[real prairie]

Choice Spec

[mighty stump]

But I also dislike Choice'd Drago

[real prairie]

yeah its why i dropped it lol

[mighty stump]

Dragon Fang is superior tbh

[real prairie]

DF drago with protect is probably better, you are right. But im in the mindset of wanting to get Ludicolo into a team now he is semi-viable and my alltime favourite mon

[zenith jungle]

This is mine

[mighty stump]

I'd just be realistic with the expectations when you run favourites/off-meta.

[real prairie]

Yeah im not expecting to win regionals ect lol just have some fun with it

just trying to host a non-pro league 😅

[zenith jungle]

Man I wish my favorites were viable at all
I like espurr 😭

[dapper crag]

Pokémon No. 677: Espurr

Type

Psychic

Abilities

Keen Eye, Infiltrator, Own Tempo (Hidden)

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

62/48/54/63/60/68

Total

355

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[mighty stump]

Yea no

[zenith jungle]

Ik its ass

[mighty stump]

I'd be willing to encourage any sort of use granted they at least have a decent BST but this is just stretching it

[zenith jungle]

Wait is meowstic usable at all

[zenith jungle]

BST?

[mighty stump]

Base stat total.

Meowstic can see some use.

[zenith jungle]

Ah

Meowstic is cute

Wait a second why is chien-pao called that
Chien is French for dog

[mighty stump]

Because it's not meant to be French.

[zenith jungle]

That mf is not a dog

[zenith jungle]

Ik it's just weird

[mighty stump]

They were more going for Chinese.

[zenith jungle]

Ah

How good would you say espeon is?

[mighty stump]

Bao refers to leopard

Jian is sword

[zenith jungle]

Sorry last one

[mighty stump]

Meh

You could probably shoehorn it as some SpA mon but otherwise

[zenith jungle]

Grr game freak making all the cute cats unviable

[mighty stump]

I know it can also play as a Psych up team on gimmicks, most probably Muk/Smeargle

[zenith jungle]

That sounds miserable

[real prairie]

I used a shiny Meo in the blueberry cup

[zenith jungle]

Chien pao is my only choice 😭

[chrome knot]

tofu

[mighty stump]

Emma

[chrome knot]

howdy

[grizzled bronze]

so if im correct, sandsear in rain doesn't check for accuracy right? so i can probably use that for muk shenanigans

[mighty stump]

Not much

[real prairie]

partnered it with whims to just disrupt teams with double prankster lol

[mighty stump]

Correct.

[grizzled bronze]

alrighty

[zenith jungle]

Yes!!

[chrome knot]

so true

[zenith jungle]

You're so right

[brazen bough]

man im panicking

[chrome knot]

(look at my banner )

[brazen bough]

still havent built my team in game

[real prairie]

I saw @chrome knot lol

[brazen bough]

i need to spend today doing evs

[chrome knot]

@brazen bough need help? i assume ur attending charlotte

[real prairie]

Thank fuck for item machine

[gentle crag]

oneofakindof has given 1 Gen Rep to generaliavgc

[brazen bough]

yes 🙏

[zenith jungle]

I'd use a chien-pao team if I wasn't still learning the team im using (and tofu has given me too much advice for this team for me to not use it)

[zenith jungle]

Woah

[chrome knot]

send me ur paste in dms and send ur mons over ill have it done in 5mins

[brazen bough]

not home but ill send the paste

[cyan smelt]

idk if i should withdraw from melbourne, just received some bad personal news

[chrome knot]

oaah

what time will you be home?

[real prairie]

@cyan smelt hope all okay

[cyan smelt]

it's not but thanks

[chrome knot]

i got counselling @ 11:30am other than that im free all day

[brazen bough]

around 3:30 pm est

[chrome knot]

oka

o ur at school

[brazen bough]

yea

[real prairie]

AH CHILDREN!

I apologise for my previous profanity!

[zenith jungle]

Heck off crap idiot /j

[real prairie]

@mighty stump Item for Pel? Sash?

Assuming I am trying to tailwind I obviously don't want to use eject button anymore

[next stump]

are you masters or seniors division

if you’re seniors it’s free AF

[mighty stump]

Sash

[real prairie]

Look right?

[mighty stump]

Speed and SpA

[real prairie]

no benefit to having a bulky Pel? incase I need to restart rain?

lots of sun teams out there

[supple ether]

If going for bulk, no need to sash. Pelipper isn't typically living more than 2 hits regardless

So you can go max speed for that benefit and sash to live 2 hits or can go, like, damp rock and max bulk but risk getting ohko'd despite it making you probably 1-2 hits

[mighty stump]

^

If you're sash, maximise the offense and speed since your bulk doesn't matter

Also, do your EVs at level 50, otherwise you potentially waste EVs

EVs at level 50 need to be 4+8x while at 100 its only 4x

[real prairie]

mmhh thanks chaps, concerned about resetting rain but I suppose if Torn is a backup with Prankster can just have raindance on it

[real prairie]

Sorry lost me here

[mighty stump]

You put 248 HP on Pelipper, which means 4 EVs are wasted since games are played at level 50

4 of those EVs do not count towards any stat points whatsoever

Since the next jump is from 244 -> 252

[real prairie]

so dont max out lv100 mons stats?

[mighty stump]

No, don't do your EVs at level 100 if you're trying to EV things for in-game ranked

Cause there's a chance you waste EVs

[real prairie]

that becomes a bit more problematic with most catches being over lv50 on catch

[mighty stump]

No

I mean

[real prairie]

they don't make this easy do they lol

[mighty stump]

When you're doing

EVs

Any sort of calculations

Or messing around on Showdown

[real prairie]

oh set the showdown to lv50

[mighty stump]

For the purposes of in-game laddering

Set the level to 50

Yea

So the slider checks for that and doesn't allow you to waste your EVs

[real prairie]

cheers

Still not sure I get the difference, still going to be what 25 vits + feathers to max an EV no?

[mighty stump]

-comp ev

[gentle crag]

Effort Values

Effort Values (EVs) are points that a Pokémon gains when earning EXP from a wild Pokémon battle.

The wild Pokémon defeated or caught will determine how many and in which stat those EVs are gained. An online Pokédex like Serebii.net is useful for finding this information.

Effect at Level 50

At Level 50, the first 4 EVs in a stat will grant +1 point to that stat, and every subsequent +1 stat point increase will require 8 EVs in that stat.

Effect at Level 100

At Level 100, every 4 EVs in a stat will grant +1 to that stat.

Maximum EVs

• Maximum total: 510
• Maximum in one stat: 252

Checking EVs

When looking at a Pokémon's summary, press X on the stats page to see EVs. Any EV that is maxed out will have sparkles around the stat name. When the Pokémon is fully trained, the previously orange shape will turn a light mint color.

Help Command: -comp help

[mighty stump]

That overall caps are the same. Just how they work at the different relevant levels.

[brazen bough]

Masters unfortunately

[chrome knot]

unfortunately?

[real prairie]

Think the thought process is that chlidrens bracket will be easier

if not at the very least less populated

[runic bloom]

😭

[onyx crown]

Gah, does raising Regidrago's HP matter if I'm trying to keep Dragon Energy's power up or am I focusing on its mediocre speed and special attack to get the most out of it before it gets hit

[mighty stump]

It doesn't matter

Its based off HP % not the actual HP

[onyx crown]

That's good.

Should I run Choice Scarf since I'm gonna be spamming Dragon Energy anyways?

[brazen bough]

more difficult

[timber falcon]

Entei and chien Pao meet swampert and smeargle

He was mad at me lmao

[onyx crown]

Average Showdown interaction

[mighty stump]

Dragon Fang or Choice Specs/Scarf.

[onyx crown]

Personally, I feel Scarf is the best choice due to it having pretty mid speed.

[timber falcon]

He forfeit after that, I’ll never understand why ppl complain about ur team then lose

Swampert is just my fav starter

[mighty stump]

You're meant to pair it with some form of Speed Control.

I just turn off Showdown chat.

No point interacting with your opponent if they're just internet randoms.

[timber falcon]

Yeah I might have to do that

[onyx crown]

I don't know what a good speed control is...
Should I lower it's speed and give Ms. Indeedee Trick Room?

[mighty stump]

Tailwind.

[timber falcon]

U can have tailwind and tr

[mighty stump]

Do not TR your Regidrago.

[timber falcon]

That’s what I do

[onyx crown]

Wouldn't tailwind be awful for trick room

[timber falcon]

2 choices per game

[scarlet otter]

Any suggestion: https://pokepast.es/77581b9a8c1924e9

[timber falcon]

If they have tailwind I suprise tr with smeargle

Works every time

[mighty stump]

Ursaluna, Farigiraf are both wasting EVs

[scarlet otter]

Where should I invest them in?

[brazen bough]

why are you running double kick on fari

[scarlet otter]

To activate Weakness

[timber falcon]

https://pokepast.es/f0938f7cc5513a1b could someone help me check these evs? I made the team myself but I’m bad at choosing evs for bulky mons

[scarlet otter]

Incineroar @ Sitrus Berry
Ability: Intimidate
Level: 50
Tera Type: Water
EVs: 252 HP / 4 Atk / 140 Def / 76 SpD / 36 Spe
Careful Nature

• Fake Out
• Flare Blitz
• Parting Shot
• Knock Off

[timber falcon]

What calc is the speed for?

[scarlet otter]

Incineroar should almost always run Fake Out

[scarlet otter]

IDK this was a VGC helper's spread

[timber falcon]

Yeah idk why I have parting instead, keep forgetting to change

[scarlet otter]

WDYM?

Parting is one of the main reasons for Incineroar

[onyx crown]

My Drago rn has Earth Power, Dragon Energy, Protect, and Explosion rn.
Is that suitable or do I need to change something about it?

[scarlet otter]

Why explosion?

[onyx crown]

Just in case

[scarlet otter]

Regidrago @ Dragon Fang
Level: 50
Ability: Dragon's Maw
EVs: 4 HP / 252 SpA / 252 Spe
IVs: 0 Atk
Tera Type: Steel
Modest Nature

• Dragon Energy
• Draco Meteor
• Earth Power
• Protect

Use Draco Energy when high HP,

Draco meteor just in case

Earth power for coverage

Tera steel for defense

[onyx crown]

I'll never understand why people use Draco Meteor.

[mighty stump]

Because you need a nuke lol

[scarlet otter]

NUKE BUTTON

[onyx crown]

Oh, no I knew the Tera. Mine is steel rn

[scarlet otter]

BOMB

[mighty stump]

There is never a guarantee you can retain enough HP to keep spamming Dragon Energy

Since Dragon Energy is spread it also does 75% damage.

[fallen garden]

Draco Meteor is better than Explosion if you're running a dragon type with high special attack

[mighty stump]

I mean, Dragon's Maw.

Explosion is just never good unless as a joke

[scarlet otter]

And dragon fang

[vivid nest]

To outspeed Landorus in tailwind

[scarlet otter]

Gen 1 be like

[chrome knot]

except hes right

[timber falcon]

Wym

[bold geode]

Do not the Regidrago

[onyx crown]

Hey, look at that, I'm already in a situation where I could have used Draco Meteor.
And it's Geeta's Dragapult that did it to me.

[chrome knot]

wouldnt wanna “practice” vs something i wont see irl ever in my life

just a waste of time

[scarlet otter]

Lol

[timber falcon]

He’s wrong lmao. The game is incredibly boring when just spamming op mons, it’s fun when you use mons you like

[scarlet otter]

Geeta redeeming herself as champion

[timber falcon]

Basically complaining against sets you don’t know about?

[bold geode]

Then you go to a regional and see Smeargle Muk

[timber falcon]

I’d cry

[onyx crown]

THEY GAVE HER KINGAMBIT FLYING TERA?

[fallen garden]

By that logic you shouldn't practice against anything that isn't open team sheet

[bold geode]

I'd beat some ass

[mighty stump]

Incredibly boring if it's meta is a wrong opinion

[timber falcon]

Exactly

[mighty stump]

Becuase that just shows a lack of deeper understanding in the fundamentals of the game

[chrome knot]

no im not gonna see smeargle & swampert @ knoxville i can guarantee i wont lie

[scarlet otter]

If we follow that thinking then all competitive games are boring since they have meta

Spamming OP mons is not enough

You can run 6 Mega Rays and still lose if you suck

[timber falcon]

It’s what the guy I went against did, and all he did was complain

[onyx crown]

Didn't someone bring a level 1 Bidoof to regionals one time

[scarlet otter]

(I learned that from experience)

[timber falcon]

You might, you never know. You gotta be ready

[scarlet otter]

Or the Endeavor Raichu, or level 1 Aroon, or Pachirisu

[chrome knot]

can be also seen as an I value my time

[mighty stump]

That too.

[onyx crown]

Gotta be prepped for anything.
Even Smeargle/Swampert

[mighty stump]

It's why the best way to practice is just with friends

[chrome knot]

if i boot into that im going to be queueing another game

[brazen bough]

I say its boring when it is literally the same exact team composition of like an entire tournament

like only playing mirrors has to be uninteresting

[chrome knot]

yeah thats why i sent jm a bunch of teams to practice mus with me

[mighty stump]

"Prepped with anything" is also unrealistic. It's like saying I'm bringing an umbrella every day in the desert just in case it rains.

[timber falcon]

That’s a loss of elo for no reason

[mighty stump]

0 point.

[chrome knot]

i had some good replays in my chat

[fallen garden]

I think learning to pilot against unexpected teams is important, anyway

[mighty stump]

You gain it back against the greater statistical likelihood of proper MUs.

[bold geode]

Tofu you're wrong
More Emboar

[mighty stump]

That;'s just playing midgrounds and having an overall solid team, but you can easily write off gimmick/unexpected losses

[onyx crown]

Yes, more Scald

[mighty stump]

Its folly to try and be ready for literally everything

and borderline foolish

[bold geode]

More shit needs Scald tho

[timber falcon]

Yeah I exaggerated, you’ve gotta be ready to against things you’ve never seen before

[scarlet otter]

Would a TR Ursaluna team be better in Bo1 or Bo3?

https://pokepast.es/7bc6626ab7e670a9

[onyx crown]

Emboar keeping it is enough for me

[bold geode]

Either

[mighty stump]

Yeah but that's assuming "never seen before" is gimmicky/unexpected picks that are not at all meta/nor proper meta calls

[scarlet otter]

Runs double kick and Weakness

[mighty stump]

Which Smeargle/Swampert as the current topic, are exmaples of.

[bold geode]

Yeah
Like I'm sorry, but you're not gonna see Smeargle shit make day 2 in regionals tbh

[bold geode]

Don't do that

[brazen bough]

what does smeargle swampert even do

[mighty stump]

Ursaluna underspeed Farigiraf in Trick Room.

You're not going to trigger WP before moving with Ursaluna.

[timber falcon]

I wouldn’t say it a gimmick. It’s just AV swampert and scarf smeargle to start things off

[scarlet otter]

WDYM?

[mighty stump]

Scarf Smeargle is 100% a gimmick lol

[onyx crown]

I want to see someone bring Medicham and Regigigas to regional

[brazen bough]

it literally is a gimmick

[timber falcon]

Really?

[scarlet otter]

Farigaraf is 58 while Ursaluna is 59

[mighty stump]

Ursaluna is going to move first in Trick Room cause its slower.

[onyx crown]

That would be funny

[brazen bough]

ok who is open for cart bo3's today

[bold geode]

Smeargle is a fucking gimmick

[mighty stump]

Oh, you're modest

[timber falcon]

Is there no way to have a non gimmick smearhle?

[mighty stump]

So you're going to lose the mirror

[brazen bough]

im gonna finish building out my team

[mighty stump]

Oh dear

[scarlet otter]

I have Urshifu for mirror

[timber falcon]

Oh nvm smeargle itself is a gimmick lol

[mighty stump]

Let alone scarfed.

[scarlet otter]

I've had multiple mirrors

[timber falcon]

But hey gimmicks can be good

[scarlet otter]

I just use my 4 other mons then

[bold geode]

Nah gimmicks fuck those

[mighty stump]

Suit yourself

[scarlet otter]

Or cancel the TR of enemy

[brazen bough]

bm is normally quiet nature am i right?

[mighty stump]

Theres already properly built Giraffe/Ursaluna teams

[scarlet otter]

As I outspeed them without TR

[timber falcon]

Don’t disrespect my main man smeargle

[bold geode]

I will pray on your downfall

Smeargle can go bye bye

[brazen bough]

I honestly am not the most familiar with bm but im running it

is bm fine with just max max

[timber falcon]

I’ll show you the might of this unpredictable mon

[chrome knot]

@mighty stump watch my replays i make lillikoal do WORK 🥺

[brazen bough]

you mean drop it in a day

[scarlet otter]

After you, Torkoal

[timber falcon]

I’ve been using it for weeks lol

[bold geode]

Or I'll just beat it's ass like I usually do

[mighty stump]

Yeah but Hillikoal is fine.

[brazen bough]

do you have spreads for bm

[mighty stump]

I do

Not for open use atm.

[fallen garden]

What are you even running on scarf smeargle

[brazen bough]

k

[scarlet otter]

@timber falcon post Mochi in https://discord.com/channels/663661005514997770/1138071147162894427

[timber falcon]

Yeah but that’s unfair cause u better than me

[bold geode]

I would like to see

[timber falcon]

I’m dumb I meant sash

[scarlet otter]

Shit talk yay

[mighty stump]

At the end of the day, the ladder and especially CTS Bo1, you can have fun with whatever you want and it will work to some degree. But that does not coincide as evidence that something is good/not bad.

Until it attains consistent and proper results over a variety of players/even teams then it's not going to count as meta/good

[scarlet otter]

True, ladder is a big mess

[mighty stump]

Which means it won't ever attain high enough usage to be prep-worthy

[scarlet otter]

I saw 2 Choice Specs FM with Protect

[fallen garden]

I think it's just not worth complaining about anything that shows up on bo1 ladder

[scarlet otter]

Biggest misspellg ever

[bold geode]

I saw 2 Choice Spec Motherfuckers

They made me angry

[mighty stump]

It isn't worth complaining about anything showing up period. If its unlikely to be met again, write it off. If its a common matchup you keep seeing and losing to, that's on either your teambuilding or your piloting or both.

[fallen garden]

(Except when it is a gimmick that directly affects me specifically)

[scarlet otter]

What were they running

[bold geode]

Iron Head

[scarlet otter]

Bruh, are they

[bold geode]

[mighty stump]

What were you about to type there.

[scarlet otter]

Nothing

[bold geode]

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

[chrome knot]

redacted

[bold geode]

Raphael

[scarlet otter]

Reacting?

[mighty stump]

If you have to lie to me about something you shouldn't be typing in this chat, maybe don't type anything implying it in the first place

Lest people get the wrong idea.

[chrome knot]

eat

[scarlet otter]

Rachael?

[mighty stump]

I can see edited messages so i'm going to take that as acknowledgement of the above statement

[scarlet otter]

I only put an r

[brazen bough]

😂

[lofty tartan]

[real prairie]

Jesus, had a couple work meetings and missed the beef lol

[bold geode]

Here have some chicken

[lofty tartan]

Don't worry - it's not exciting

[real prairie]

TL:DR version anyone? lol

[bold geode]

Rather not

[lofty tartan]

No. This isn't drama central.

[real prairie]

fair enough

[scarlet otter]

Just us talking about teams and ladder

[lofty tartan]

Yo I'll take chicken though. Trying to increase my lean chicken intake

[chrome knot]

1 time gimmick teams = waste of time to match against

[bold geode]

I eat a ton of chicken bro
We stan chicken
Although a nice juicy steak oooooh

[mighty stump]

Are you saying my Fake Out Last Resort Ambipom isn't worth prepping for

[scarlet otter]

No

[cyan smelt]

ran into water shuriken greninja into archaludon to proc stamina

[bold geode]

Fuck my Palossand strat is dogshit?

[lofty tartan]

I've prioritized red meats my whole life, but lean chicken breast is a good source of protein so we're improving it

I prefer a steak to a candy bar

[mighty stump]

I ran into that but it was with Scarfed Annihilape to priority proc Rage Fist.

It was bad

[bold geode]

🤝

[lofty tartan]

Tofu, fake out my Ambipom

[chrome knot]

ERM thats on my watchlist now THANKS buddy.

[gentle crag]

setsumizi has given 1 Gen Rep to woodtofu

[mighty stump]

Rep farming in my channel

Reported

[lofty tartan]

REPORTED

[bold geode]

Lmao
WE GAVE HER IDEAS NOOOOOOO

[chrome knot]

I GAVE YOU A REP REPORT URSELF

[mighty stump]

Bet

[bold geode]

Oh yeah get her outta here

[mighty stump]

@ mod

[scarlet otter]

Useless @gentle crag

[bold geode]

https://tenor.com/view/umpire-ejection-boom-gtfo-gif-5350387

[chrome knot]

i sitting here eating food till time to go to therapy

[scarlet otter]

Who needs therapy when you can play Pokemon

[mighty stump]

Why go to therapy when you can order more food?

[brazen bough]

you didnt ping a mod lemme correct it

[scarlet otter]

[mighty stump]

Go on

Do it

[brazen bough]

uhh

[chrome knot]

bc being a girl is HARD

[mighty stump]

Not as hard as being hungry

[scarlet otter]

Hell nah I'm getting out of here

[chrome knot]

true ig

[mighty stump]

@strange juniper 👁️

[real prairie]

any benefit to an Imprison Flutter Mane?

[mighty stump]

To catch nutters off guard and ruin their day

[scarlet otter]

Stoppinf TR

[scarlet otter]

Dude was not kidding

I'll see you in 3 hours after Tofu is banned

[mighty stump]

I'm like Makima, everytime I get banned someone else gets banned randomly instead

[scarlet otter]

[real prairie]

standard moveset for flutter being Protect | Dazzling Gleam | Shadow ball ?

[chrome knot]

moonblast

[scarlet otter]

Moonblast

[mighty stump]

Yeah, usually you have Moonblast as a single target nuke as well

Both spread + single target have their moments

[scarlet otter]

If you are going down you taking someone else with you

[real prairie]

Is it more beneficial to imprison protect or Moonblast though

[mighty stump]

Moonblast

If you wanna ruin an opposing Flutter's day

But overall, preventing Protect's can be good.

[brazen bough]

sash flutter is meta

[scarlet otter]

And they can't hit you with Shadow Ball

[scarlet otter]

WDYM?, It's choice specs or Booster

Sash is mainly left for stuff like Urshifu Dark and Chien Pao

[real prairie]

I run sash flutter tbf

[brazen bough]

and sash

[scarlet otter]

[brazen bough]

ok

[brazen bough]

no

[scarlet otter]

[real prairie]

Also love my Anti Flutter Iron hands

[brazen bough]

how is it anti flutter

[real prairie]

Fairy Tera heavy slam

[timber falcon]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2024regf-2038209671pc4x35w3ys0tqv62diq1nno2b2dkflapw

My fav read at the end oml I so happy i saved tera, once again smeargle on top

[cyan smelt]

expired

[timber falcon]

?

[cyan smelt]

i clicked on it and it said expired

[timber falcon]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2024regf-2038209671-pc4x35w3ys0tqv62diq1nno2b2dkflapw

[brazen bough]

uhh

[chrome knot]

my anti air artillery unit(torkoal)

[timber falcon]

Not really anti tbh

[real prairie]

Did that ice punch OHKO a Multiscale Dragonite?

[timber falcon]

At flutter will still get some good chip

[timber falcon]

Ppl don’t use multi scale in doubles

Inner focus is better for dragonite so that’s why

[real prairie]

Ah right, the idea of halving that first SE move seems more useful imo

[timber falcon]

SE?

[real prairie]

know fakeouts are rampant but still

Super Effective

[timber falcon]

Oh ok

I should’ve won that

[real prairie]

You did very well

dark tera was the dub

[timber falcon]

Nah my team needs work, latias isn’t doing anything

But dark tera is good yeah

[real prairie]

and saving it putting them in a false sense of security

[timber falcon]

Fr, they didn’t attack praying they could struggle out smeargle and double gholdengo

[brazen bough]

@chrome knot turns out my evs might not be that bad after all

[real prairie]

maybe dark Tera is my answer to stopping Whimsicott taunting my Tornadus

[timber falcon]

Yeah my friend requested it to me

[real prairie]

I don't have it recorded but one of my best plays was prankster - scary face my own pokemon inside of trick room to make me slowest and stop eruption sweep

[timber falcon]

Best plays are ones that would normally be bad

[cyan smelt]

lol what was this i just ran into tera grass azumarill

and they were using skeledirge too

[real prairie]

Did whatever they were trying work?

Grass Tera might have been to cover Azu weaknesses to belly drum

but then there are better Belly Drummers

[cyan smelt]

it didn't belly drum

[real prairie]

So strange

[cyan smelt]

i beat them

[real prairie]

i dont understand the need for Grass tera, if you are worried about Grass you just go Sap Sipper no?

[cyan smelt]

maybe they wanted to keep huge power

[real prairie]

whatever it was it didnt work so they need to go back to the drawing board lol

[cyan smelt]

yeah i obliterated the azumarill with gunk shot

farigiraf carried

[timber falcon]

I know I’m incredibly late to this but how the heck did Wolfey do so well in a competitive format with perish song team

[cyan smelt]

that worlds champion difference

[next stump]

that was a really fun tournament to watch

[brazen bough]

worlds?

[next stump]

orlando 2023 where wolfe won

[brazen bough]

O

actually i can probably go to orlando this year

[tough idol]

Perish is a Wolfe specialty, think he's used it multiple times before

[scarlet otter]

Yeah with Perish Mega Gengar

[onyx crown]

Hey, @mighty stump if I don't have Dragon Fang, would the Draco Plate work as a replacement for right now?

[cyan smelt]

Archaludon is incredibly annoying to deal with, so is glimmora

[onyx crown]

That doesn't answer ze question at hand

But fine, I'll go be boring

[tough idol]

Both do 20% increase

[scarlet otter]

Draco Plate and fang do the same

So you can use it

[real prairie]

Because it was unexpected and noone had any hard counters to it.

We have seen him try to use tactics and it get leaked and he won't get past entry rounds

He needs the element of surprise

[chrome knot]

@next stump wave 3 for knox is tn, any last minute shoppers?

[real prairie]

Tn?

[mighty stump]

What kinda take on Wolfe is that

Every regional has been OTS

[real prairie]

Glimmora rocky helmet was a godsend when population bomb was a thing lol

[mighty stump]

There is no element of surprise

[real prairie]

It's specific to his gimic teams, he's still elite player

[fallen garden]

People don't necessarily prepare for perish trap every time. At least I think that's what they're saying

[real prairie]

Sorry should have specified

[chrome knot]

what

[chrome knot]

tonight

knoxville tennessee also yes

[real prairie]

He meant me saying his success with gimmick teams was due to it being unexpected

[mighty stump]

Gimmicks are inherently inconsistent and lose most of their value upon OTS

I wouldn’t classify Perish Trap as such a thing

Surprise factor is overrated anyways

Considering it’s also not the easiest to pilot if you only know Protect spam

Petition to reclassify “gimmick” to cheese

[real prairie]

Fair, there is a huge variety of gimmick teams that it could do with some reclassification

Anger point teams, gimmick or nah? I'd be on the side of yeah

But then do Regidrago tailwind classify as gimmick too? I'd argue no 🤷‍♂️

[next stump]

potentially LOL

[chrome knot]

its doable !!

[next stump]

[chrome knot]

ohhh its actually doable LOL

how muchc dod you make on t16?

[next stump]

$750 for top 16

[chrome knot]

woa nice

[brazen bough]

how much of that is going into flying to charlotte

[chrome knot]

7pm EST they go live so ig keep tab open

[brazen bough]

wait so like is it you get chosen to go on stage for certain games

or like how does it work

[next stump]

that $750 is going to be my hawaii flight as long as it’s not during my school year

they choose one match per round to be on stream

usually big names

[mighty stump]

Or community vote

Which, also means big names

[mighty stump]

IS THAT TOP 16 PORTLAND MASTERS PLAYER DILLON

[next stump]

yeah your only hope for getting on stream without being known is matching against a known player

or making top cut

[mighty stump]

Wanna guarantee it? just top 4

ezpz

[brazen bough]

i mean i dont want to be on stage lol

[next stump]

only way they’d force you to be on stream is if you’re in the top 8

[brazen bough]

welp imma get back to finishing evs

how do ppl normally ev fari

[mighty stump]

Speed and Attack obviously

[brazen bough]

like what do they ev it around

[mighty stump]

Usually HP + Bulk

[brazen bough]

https://t.co/DfmiFlQkNe

[tired sage]

peli rain team :0

[next stump]

The payout structure of NAIC is crazy

Top 32 gets $2000

[mighty stump]

Damn

[next stump]

so 10-4 record guarantees that and 9-5 depending on resistance

[brazen bough]

that's insane and not nearly as many people as charlotte are probably gonna attend right?

[mighty stump]

its an IC

Its gonna be the hotbed of over 1k players or sth

[bold geode]

Damn Damian Lillard is in there

[chrome knot]

assuming ur going?

[next stump]

ye I got my flight booked there

[brazen bough]

where is it at

and when is it

[next stump]

last year had 777 players in masters, the location is a lot more expensive this year but also much cooler

so it’s hard to say how many show up

new orleans

[bold geode]

Ah yes
The cereal bowl city

[brazen bough]

im for sure unable to go

[bold geode]

Are you going to anything else this season?

[chrome knot]

Knoxville, Indianapolis, Orlando

[bold geode]

Nice

[chrome knot]

lookin to make a cute debut in knoxville with lilli

[bold geode]

Ain't Knoxville soon?

[chrome knot]

feb2

[brazen bough]

I have grad on the 8th 😭

[bold geode]

Oh so you bringing sun on Groundhog Day
Gonna make that fucker see it's shadow?

[brazen bough]

i had my hopes up because the 7th was make up exam days

[runic bloom]

what item should i run on annihilape

[chrome knot]

a gold chain

[brazen bough]

lefty's or av

[bold geode]

Leftovers/AV/Goggles

[bold geode]

True, monkey stay drippy

[runic bloom]

what’s av

[bold geode]

Assault Vest

[runic bloom]

oh yeah ty

[bold geode]

Or actually what set are you running?

[chrome knot]

apple vitamins

[bold geode]

Flintstone vitamins

[brazen bough]

fax

[bold geode]

Gotta EV train my Annihilape, time to give it Flintstone vitamins

[runic bloom]

um something unique: whimsicott, brute bonnet, incineror, fluttermane and iron bundle

[bold geode]

How to get blown up by Rilla Flutter 101 then

[runic bloom]

😭

i haven’t played vgc since usum so idrk the meta

[scarlet otter]

EZ

[scarlet otter]

[cloud olive]

Coming back to vgc since end of swsh how do I quickly get back into the meta and new mons

[scarlet otter]

Main meta is Urshifu, Ogerpon, Incineroar, Tornadus and stuff like

[runic bloom]

lmk when you find the answer cause i’m wondering too😭

[cloud olive]

😭😭

[scarlet otter]

@runic bloom @cloud olive Am I invisible?

[runic bloom]

no

[willow vault]

Yea

I’m lying

[cloud olive]

Oh sorry I thought u were replying for something else

[runic bloom]

the best way to get back into the meta would probably be to play with rental teams to see how the new mons work and then build a team off that imo

[scarlet otter]

I said Urshifu, Ogerpon (Flame or Water), Tornadus, Incineroar, Flutter Mane, Iron Crown, BM Ursaluna, Amoonguss

[runic bloom]

prob try a couple different rental teams

[scarlet otter]

Or practice on Showdown

As there there is a bunch more meta

[cloud olive]

Lemme send one I like the look of

https://pokepast.es/7ca11c280e284b86

Found on victory road I loved gross back in swsh

[runic bloom]

i believe there’s a rental team channel somewhere #rental_teams oh yea

[cloud olive]

https://victoryroadvgc.com/sv-rental-teams/

Any teams here ok to use ?

[scarlet otter]

@cloud olive Looks good but might want some changes 1st

[cloud olive]

Like what

[scarlet otter]

Swap Power Whip for Horn Leech

[runic bloom]

yeah

[scarlet otter]

Switch Tera Bug to Electric or something to add more damage

Swap dragon breath to draco meteor for nuke button

Calm mind swap for Thunderbolt

[runic bloom]

rayo can you help me fix my team idk what moves to run or items i just have the general outline of the mons i wanna use i already have all of them too

[scarlet otter]

K sure

[cloud olive]

Cool thx anything else before I get practising again?

[gentle crag]

ludico. has given 1 Gen Rep to rayothewindfan

[runic bloom]

^

how to not get nuked by rilla flutter

[scarlet otter]

Looks good for the rest part

[runic bloom]

lmk lmk 😭

[cloud olive]

Awesome thx

[gentle crag]

You gave Gen Rep too recently. You can give Gen Rep again <t:1705608586:R>.

[scarlet otter]

TR, Psychic Trrain or Farigaraf

[runic bloom]

TR?

[scarlet otter]

Farigarad/Psychic terrain stop Rila

[scarlet otter]

Trick room which stops Flutter

[runic bloom]

ohh i don’t rlly wanna replace any of my members tho

[scarlet otter]

Both Indeede and Farigaraf work

Oh well lemme think about it

[runic bloom]

i mean who could i swap out for indeede i guess

prob iron bundle right

[scarlet otter]

No

Actually yeah

[runic bloom]

😭

4 years no comp i still got it

[scarlet otter]

I think Farigaraf fits team better

[runic bloom]

ugly

[willow vault]

I think you should use chimchar

[runic bloom]

i think sandslash should be deleted from the game while we’re at it

[willow vault]

What, this is bullying dude. I reckon we should get rid of Whimiscott

[runic bloom]

rayo 1v1 me

[runic bloom]

banned

[willow vault]

Try me

I’m inactive on the server anyway

[runic bloom]

😭 i have no power or clout on this server so i cant ban you but if i could i would

jk

[willow vault]

Yikes, I have no power either

Also I want Escavalier to be back in the game but their not 😔