competitive_discussion

[grizzled pilot]

Actually i hope gen10 brings back more of the gimmicks

Would be interesting to see how a generation would play out with megas, tera and z moves in play

It would be hell

But it would be cool to watch

I wouldnt count dynamax tho since its so region specific

Z moves didnt have anything tying them to alola specifically right?

[gentle creek]

What is the best move against alolan muk

[cyan smelt]

taunt

[ionic shell]

is it hard to make a homebrew team

[cyan smelt]

or spore

[gentle creek]

It's such a pain

[next stump]

try to double into it for a knockout before it gets the minimizes off

even if it only gets one, it's not terrible

[cyan smelt]

what if it's next to smeargle with follow me

[gentle creek]

@cyan smelt it was

[next stump]

then smeargle dies and they get one boost off and die the next turn

the strat gets out of hand when you let them sit there for multiple turns

and then flamigo comes in, and then cresselia comes in, etc.

[supple ether]

Muk is such a degenerate strategy I hate it

It tilts me so much

Like you're not gonna win using it consistently. You're rolling a dice rigged in my favor, but if the stars align you take 20 turns to ko me

Dear lord

[next stump]

i wonder if there was a single muk player at the last regional

let me check

[cyan smelt]

i'm struggling with entei/pao atm

[next stump]

2 people used Muk and the highest player peaked 171 out of 500

[supple ether]

This is the only time Id be down for GF to ban a moveset

[next stump]

one of them was running poison touch with an attacking set and the other ran the power of alchemy boosting set

[supple ether]

Poison touch

[karmic temple]

Jokes on you I’m running a full team of follow me so I can always get my 3 minimizes up on Muk

[scarlet otter]

Really struggling to go up the ladder on VGC Reg F Showdown

Any tips?

I have 3 teams lemme share them

[cyan smelt]

i'm honestly considering switching to psyspam because i struggle with this paotei stuff

[gentle creek]

I'm still struggling to learn vgc so I'm stuck in great league

[scarlet otter]

https://pokepast.es/ca5684b97e04301f

https://pokepast.es/bdfb582214192e73

https://pokepast.es/b6876d720ca3563c

These teams got me to masterball rank on SV

But I only got to 1200 in Poke Showdown

Also I made a VC if interested in sharing tips as I go up the ladder

[chrome knot]

lando should hve lo

bc of the sheer force lo interaction ..

[supple ether]

For the fishsypam I used a team with fluttermane. I feel like I brought it to almost every match. I think probably over rillaboom, because your terrains will be figjting eachother otherwise

[chrome knot]

iron mid

[scarlet otter]

Oh yeah

[supple ether]

👀 there's a special interaction? Is it just 1.69x boost since multiplicative?

[scarlet otter]

Lemme switch some items up

[chrome knot]

no lo recoil

[supple ether]

wait fr

Nutter butter

[chrome knot]

yes…

[scarlet otter]

What item should I give Thundurus then?

[scarlet otter]

So replace FEESH with FM?

[mighty stump]

Sacred Sword also ignores the stat changes so you shuold be able to chip it well that way

[scarlet otter]

I’m hosting a VC

So people can judge me

(Correct me)

My mic doesnmt works

[supple ether]

A cushion for the bench though you could give it a battery

[scarlet otter]

Magnet maybe?

[supple ether]

Also y no covert cloak on torn?

Is that splashplate or am I blind

[scarlet otter]

Wind plate

[supple ether]

Ye magnet mb

Unless there's a very specific calc youre using windplate for, covert cloak everytime

Or sitrus

Should also have protect on more mons, like thundy maybe

[scarlet otter]

I swapped him for Raging Bolt

[scarlet otter]

Yeah did that

[gentle creek]

Do you think a team of
Pelliper
Archuladon
Urshifu
Ammongus
Flutter mane
Baxcalibur
Is OK or if not what should I change

[cyan smelt]

i'm thinking of giving up, i keep losing with my team and i don't know how to improve it

[gentle creek]

@cyan smelt I feel the same dude

[cyan smelt]

and i keep getting locked on showdown out of frustration

[tired sage]

opinions on mienshao

[brazen bough]

can i get some help with making changes to cobalt's team

[next stump]

it’s not the worst pokémon ever, it has some stuff going for it

but I don’t think it’s really going to see success in tournaments besides maybe one or two players

[brazen bough]

what about registeel

thats what im running rn

[tired sage]

i suppose so

[brazen bough]

and im pretty sure it made like top 40 something at portland

Norah Bowman iirc

[tired sage]

i was looking at mienshao and thinking an inner focus fake out user...
plus it gets wide guard so it can bait expanding force or dazzling gleam

[next stump]

2 registeels in day 2 of portland, it’s definitely usable if you know your matchups

not a very conventional pokemon

[tired sage]

registeel can do well with the right partners

but...
def not the best when theres a lot of fighting/fire/ground going around

[brazen bough]

thats cool

registeel from how ive played really doesnt need tr

im surprised

[next stump]

yeah it’s usually pretty content relying on bulk or redirection and moving last

it’s not really getting one hit knockouts unless you’re already boosted up

[tired sage]

its a good candidate for heavy slam too

[brazen bough]

yep like 1 iron defense and you are doing some good damage

Im good into paonite and paonite especially mus with the team

[next stump]

are you using Norah’s exactly or did you change some of the pokémon or moves

[brazen bough]

Im using cobalts team

I can get you a ss of the team if you want

Wait actually i have one

[next stump]

calm mind cresselia is a cool tech

definitely a slow burn kinda team where games are gonna be 10+ turns normally

[brazen bough]

Yep

But i would probably just change flutter to maybe sash

[next stump]

make sure you bring hella snacks with you if you end up bringing this to a regional because you’ll probably be playing a bare minimum of 250-300 turns of pokemon across the day

and they’ve pretty much gotten rid of lunch breaks

[brazen bough]

Damn

Are you also going

[next stump]

i’ll be at charlotte if that’s the one you’re going to as well

[brazen bough]

Yep

[mighty stump]

Is that Mr Top 16 Portland

MLBD

[brazen bough]

Are you fine with running some sets before

[next stump]

https://tenor.com/view/thats-me-adrian-boseman-the-good-fight-look-its-me-i-cant-relate-gif-21896793

sure i’d be happy to

charlotte is going to be crazy, currently 916 registered players

[brazen bough]

Biggest regional right?

[next stump]

which would by far make it the largest tournament ever

[brazen bough]

Thats insane

I for sure need to place high

[next stump]

there will probably be like 850 people that actually show up, somewhere around there

[brazen bough]

I dont think many are actually prepping for registeel are they

Probably more general tornshifu teams

And paonite and dozo

[next stump]

yes I agree, and also the team that won the last regional which was just kinda paonite balance stuff

but I also think Registeel can suffer from all my friends are dead syndrome, essentially everything next to it getting knocked out while it is boosting up

but there’s enough bulk on the team with cresselia to handle most teams

[cyan smelt]

could i get some help for how to improve my team, i came up with it with bravado but i keep losing https://pokepast.es/0c7b4295432fe86d

[brazen bough]

I see lol

[next stump]

unironically i think that team with farigarif instead of tornadus is pretty good

booster speed flutter + scarf urshifu + priority moves on everything means you already can handle speedy matchups

farigarif denies opposing priority + lets you set TR to enable the slow core of the team

[cyan smelt]

thanks dillon, i'll try out farig

[brazen bough]

Would you also want chien

For shifu damage

[next stump]

definitely an option over kingambit but i think both have a good argument

[cyan smelt]

farig is good because i've been struggling against entei/pao

[ember linden]

All the Entei teams have a good matchup into registeel

[brazen bough]

Not as much as you think

[ember linden]

I really hope nobody is running dragon tera registeel

They do

[brazen bough]

Im running tera water

It pretty much deals with most of your issues

[ember linden]

That’s what I think ppl should run

Way more consistent

[brazen bough]

I also am not a fan of chienpao being able to hit me hard regardless

[cyan smelt]

should i run imprison tr on farig?

[brazen bough]

So dragon imo is mid

[next stump]

no i think you’re better off running dazzling or hyper voice/psychic move/trick room/helping hand

you can replace helping hand with another move like protect, nasty plot

[brazen bough]

And giving flutter another way to kill

[next stump]

imprison is generally not that useful on your team

[brazen bough]

Dragon will probably not be popular

[next stump]

because you want trick room in most matchups

[ember linden]

Unless your team has the ever most shit matchup into tr it’s better to not run it

[brazen bough]

But the rare thunderbolt flutters are gonna be a problem

[cyan smelt]

yeah imprison is not great

also should i replace icy wind on flutter with power gem?

[ember linden]

Power gem, Icy wind, protect are all good

Protect is a fine option even on specs bc it can set up a pivot and can have mind games

Right now at least the flutter fourth move slot is rarely clicked

[lofty tartan]

Sucks having to withdraw my Charlotte registration. End of the year was too rough and too costly

[next stump]

[nocturne holly]

I mean dragon is a pretty decent Tera on dengo and gambit

it’s pretty solid imo

it’s also seen on incin

[brazen bough]

You dont want flutter 1 shotting you

[nocturne holly]

so you don’t Tera in front of it

resisting fwg core is really great

[brazen bough]

Sometimes you dont mind fwg because of iron defenses

[nocturne holly]

maybe on registeel, but in general it’s great

Water is still probably best on tegisteel

[brazen bough]

I could see some uses for it

But ultimately it doesnt really provide much that you dont get from water

Maybe for shock factor

[nocturne holly]

are we talking in general or on registeel?

[brazen bough]

But like thats ultimately the most i see it getting

[brazen bough]

Registeel

[nocturne holly]

yea on registeel water is probably best

[dapper crag]

Ability: Hadron Engine

On switch-in, summons Electric Terrain. During Electric Terrain, Sp. Atk is 1.3333x.

SableyeBot version 4.25.1

Ability: Orichalcum Pulse

On switch-in, summons Sunny Day. During Sunny Day, Attack is 1.3333x.

SableyeBot version 4.25.1

[tired sage]

mienshao is doing some funky stuff

[unkempt flax]

What does flutter need to live raw surging strikes

116hp and 212def correct?

[kindred cypress]

Is okidogi the best upper hand user?

[bold geode]

What y'all doing

[bold geode]

Either that or Terrakion

[kindred cypress]

What’s terrakion got going, other than non-av user?

[bold geode]

Beat Up shenanigans

It's not bad

[molten oasis]

It’s a Mon yiu pair with whims, then you click beat up into it and it becomes +4

[dapper crag]

Pokémon No. 639: Terrakion

Types

Rock/Fighting

Abilities

Justified

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

91/129/90/72/90/108

Total

580

SableyeBot version 4.25.1

Pokémon No. 1014: Okidogi

Types

Poison/Fighting

Abilities

Toxic Chain, Guard Dog (Hidden)

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

88/128/115/58/86/80

Total

555

SableyeBot version 4.25.1

[molten oasis]

I have learned not to sucker punch it lol

[kindred cypress]

Can it potentially 1 hit incin with upper hand?

[dapper crag]

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SableyeBot version 4.25.1

Ability: Bulletproof

This Pokemon is immune to bullet moves.

SableyeBot version 4.25.1

[molten oasis]

No

Not at base

[kindred cypress]

With the justified boost?

[clever chasm]

Hey can u only get hidden abilities via (ability patch and raids?)

[molten oasis]

With yes but upper hand goes before beat up

[kindred cypress]

Or breeding

[clever chasm]

Okay. So do i need to have a Pokémon with hidden abilities on or how do i breed for a hidden ability? Is it just dumb luck? I’m kinda new sorry.

[kindred cypress]

If you use an destiny knot on a Mon with one, it should transfer over

[clever chasm]

So like. Get a Pokémon any Pokémon that breeds with the Mon i want. The mon i want (with a reg ability). Then the other Mon with a (hidden ability holding a knot) then bread.

[karmic temple]

No

[kindred cypress]

Ditto and a Mon with a hidden ability

[karmic temple]

The female parent is the one that passes down the ability, that mon has to have the hidden ability

[clever chasm]

Oh fuck

[karmic temple]

If it doesn’t, you don’t get the chance to hatch one with the HA

[clever chasm]

Well shit

[karmic temple]

Obviously gender doesnt matter if using a ditto, but the other mon has to have the HA

You can’t just catch a Charmander and start breeding it with ditto and hope you get solar power

[kindred cypress]

Ditto works with both

[karmic temple]

Yes I mentioned that 2 messages above

[clever chasm]

So I’m playing through the game and i wanted a Varoom with the HB. Because i like that ability.

[karmic temple]

Then you’ll need to raid for one and hope it has it or use an ability patch

[clever chasm]

Omg wtf! Dude why’d they make that shit so hard now🤦🏾‍♂️

Okay wait

[karmic temple]

They’re hidden abilities for a reason

[clever chasm]

Oh nvm that’s a dumb question

You explained that. So the Pokémon i breed with ditto has to have the ability not the other way around?

[karmic temple]

Correct

Doesn’t matter if ditto has HA, the Mon you’re breeding with it has to have it

[clever chasm]

Omg that’s so much omg

Okay

So the easiest way is to look for someone who will breed me one with the ability and trade🤦🏾‍♂️

[karmic temple]

Basically

[clever chasm]

Jesus

To the breeding chat i go!

Thanks fellas

[golden tulip]

eject pack overheat torkoal sounds like a good slow pivot

[supple ether]

intimidate

[bold geode]

Hey comp chat, what hot takes do we have today

[tough idol]

Don't know about hot, it's bloody freezing here

[bold geode]

For fuckin real
It's like 20 something outside rn (Fahrenheit)

[bold geode]

You're literally describing Reg C sun teams

[golden tulip]

slow pivot into ramparados, then focus punch w/ after you bellosom

[bold geode]

Ok now I hate myself for being literate

[golden tulip]

hmmmm
Delphox blast burn
incin side roar
⁉️

also is Tera dark a good enough Tera for volbeat

[brazen bough]

https://victoryroadvgc.com/vr-winter-challenge/ iron crown top 3 is pretty crazy

[next stump]

good ass pokémon on those style of teams

[supple ether]

So happy to see h.arcanine and bmursaluna top 4

Psyspam really clapping cheeks out here tho

[nocturne holly]

Don’t you live in Texas?

[brazen bough]

Yep

https://pokepast.es/7742728c52937380 also got a good team out if this 150+ players were there this was like top 21

[bold geode]

Yes
Cold weather down here rn

Literally have to drip our faucets so the fucking pipes don't freeze

[nocturne holly]

I’m all the way up in New York and it’s 20 too lmao

[bold geode]

Damn

How tf we got same weather

[brazen bough]

Probably better into the meta than my current team

[orchid falcon]

yo

sup guys

whats a good build for pecharunt?

i was thinking of doing a bulky set with Nasty plot, maligalent chain, hex, and recover

but idk what the IVs and Item should be

as well as tera because ive seen alot of ppl online use different stuff like Ground and fighting etc

[kindred cypress]

Illegal for most fights, doesn’t really matter

[tough idol]

How have ppl been doing in Blueberry Prologue

I didn't have time to actually do it

[karmic temple]

Yeah but their houses are made for the winter

We just have to hope for the best

That wind chill be miserable

[nocturne holly]

Fr

[nocturne holly]

feels like a normal day here

-calc 7(3)+18

[gentle crag]

Result: 39.000000

[karmic temple]

Pls I’m not built for this

[orchid falcon]

i didnt mean for VGC

just thought here would be a place to ask

[lofty tartan]

Iron Crown half of top 8 is supremacy gang

[karmic temple]

Have to walk my dog with 3 sweat pants 4 long sleeves, and 2 jackets 😭

[orchid falcon]

very relatable

[nocturne holly]

hell people here are walking outside with shorts

I did yesterday lmao

[karmic temple]

I prefer not having frostbite the hell

Yall are crazy

[brazen bough]

anyone know how to check spreads on rental teams?

[orchid falcon]

i used to walk in snow with slippers

[brazen bough]

yep

[lofty tartan]

I've been playing Crown since Reg F started. Not upset.

[brazen bough]

how has it been

[lofty tartan]

A blast.

It's way more than just clicking Expanding Force. Lots of positioning awareness

Some of my games I never click it.

Tachyon Cutter is pretty nuts

[brazen bough]

what other moves do you run on it

[lofty tartan]

Just Force/Cutter/Tera Blast/Protect. Focus Blast is meh at best.

[nocturne holly]

how is entei

[tough idol]

I'm heading to build that team you sent me @lofty tartan

[brazen bough]

focus blast sucks

[lofty tartan]

Tachyon Cutter just threatens Chien-Pao and Flutter Mane incredibly well

[brazen bough]

i played iron crown and focus blast is just unreliable

[lofty tartan]

Yeah, way too inconsistent

Tera Blast is totally fine

[lofty tartan]

That Winter Challenge had some neat Crown teams.

[karmic temple]

He’s loving the cold rn we played for like 45 mins and he’s passed out in his bed

[lofty tartan]

Regidrago Crown is something I thought of but never tried. Steel types are just naturally good pivots for it.

Indeedee and Waterpon/Firepon follow me both help Regidrago - you have TW for speed control which Drago likes. Seems logical

[karmic temple]

He doesn’t want to come inside but I can’t stand the cold

[brazen bough]

https://victoryroadvgc.com/vr-winter-challenge/ bumping this link

yeah but iron crown has been doing crazy in tourneys

[nocturne holly]

w

I wish I had a dog 😭

[brazen bough]

i personally couldn't understand using it because it requires too much brain power

[tough idol]

Ty @brazen bough

[gentle crag]

ictlegion has given 1 Gen Rep to generaliavgc

[brazen bough]

happy to help!

i mean i want to use iron crown

but at this point its way too late for me to use it

[lofty tartan]

Just gotta be proactive with Indeedee, I think. It's been helping me to be mindful of what my opponent wants or needs to do to preserve their gameplan and how the team disrupts it. So far I've had really good matches into PaoTei

[karmic temple]

Dogs are great until you have to walk them in the hot/cold or take them to the vet 😭

[brazen bough]

i need to either solidify a team

[nocturne holly]

fr

[brazen bough]

but im comfortable with registeel

[lofty tartan]

Registeel is neat

[brazen bough]

ill probably use iron crown for locals and pc's and mss's

[scarlet otter]

https://pokepast.es/1be175febdb056e6

[lofty tartan]

I've been playing Crown/DeeDee/ChiYu/Lando/Torn/Waterpon or Urshifu lately

[brazen bough]

then restricted format 😭

[scarlet otter]

Anybody got some suggestions?

[lofty tartan]

But there's some interesting takeaways from the Winter Challenge

[scarlet otter]

And is it better to play my team in Bo1 or Bo3?

[lofty tartan]

As a former Regidrago main, this pleases me.

[brazen bough]

man the switch to restricted is like a fresh start

[lofty tartan]

I mean BO1 and BO3 are night and day

[scarlet otter]

Climbing up ladder in showdown is much tougher than in SV

[brazen bough]

misinformation

[scarlet otter]

In my opinion of course

[lofty tartan]

BO1 closed team sheets you're prey to gimmicks and stuff. BO3 is competitive in that there's less gimmicks and more exposed strategy, so skill makes quite a difference

[next stump]

personal preference unless you ever plan on playing in person tournaments, then do bo3

[lofty tartan]

Being aware of what your opponent has, what they're able to do, and remembering information instead of just letting things happen

[scarlet otter]

True that's what I was thinking

[brazen bough]

ive been grinding alot of cart

but im gonna start doing bo3's in like the last 3 days and just playing ppl

[scarlet otter]

Me too

[brazen bough]

you're going to a tourney?

[scarlet otter]

Maybe

Probably want to play some more the format and wait till I am more open

But I'm up for playing a small local tournament in my area

My area is filled with Pokemon fans

[brazen bough]

@lofty tartan do you have a paste for the team you were running

[lofty tartan]

https://pokepast.es/2f044425d992ed7d

This is what I'm messing with.

[brazen bough]

ty

do you have a rental or nah

[tired sage]

Chi yu!!!

[lofty tartan]

One second.

[tired sage]

i’m very confused as to where chi-yu usage went…
it’s such a good mon

[lofty tartan]

Waterpon

Waterpon is honestly a big threat to this team, so my test group has been brainstorming a few things

[tired sage]

ohhhh that makes sense

[brazen bough]

test group?

where do i sign up haha /j

[lofty tartan]

Yeah I'm not the only one working on this team

[brazen bough]

unless 👀

[lofty tartan]

I'm sort of newer - I started VGC with Gen 9, and teambuilding is like an advanced skill

Do you want a Choice Specs Tera Blast Grass Chi-Yu rental or a Tera Ghost Focus Sash?

[tired sage]

team building is confusing
i still struggle to do calcs for things and just slap random numbers on EVs

[lofty tartan]

Tera Grass helps punish Waterpons who Tera

[brazen bough]

sash please

[lofty tartan]

kk

[brazen bough]

or actually whichever one you find better

[lofty tartan]

Sash vs Specs has been a debate since I started playing the team

[tired sage]

would a whimsy, wake, chi-yu core work…?

[scarlet otter]

Slaping random numbers is helpful when calcing

[lofty tartan]

And we decided that Chi-Yu was MVP

[scarlet otter]

As you can just move around those numbers

[tired sage]

like i don’t calc shit and just do random numbers

[scarlet otter]

Lol

[lofty tartan]

I calc vs popular spreads or spreads the top players use - calc for all of the biggest threats in like the top 20 usage statistics

When testing Suicune w/ Crown recently, I just calced like that and found out a lot of information.

[tired sage]

mhm i started to get into calcing after seeing my tera normal harcanine live an ivy cudgel at 1hp

[scarlet otter]

Lol

[scarlet otter]

I also do that

[brazen bough]

what did you do to find said group? I've been looking for one to grind with

[lofty tartan]

Got a Suicune spread that can't be OHKO'd by Bolt or Hands

[scarlet otter]

FM is a big problem when calcing lol

[lofty tartan]

👀

[scarlet otter]

I had to move around evs for 5 days for Landorous build

[next stump]

@brazen bough you probably already know this so i’m sorry if you do, but just remember that you can’t use rentals at regionals

so just make sure that before next weekend you recreate a team yourself

[brazen bough]

yeah i know

i have all the mons prepared for both teams

well not like built or anything but like that doesnt take too long

[scarlet otter]

Then remember I had tera poison and could tank

SO 5 Days of trying to make Landorous tank FM while being offensive went to waste

[tired sage]

i dug up a gem from swsh
way too many people forgot that mienshao has wide guard and it baits dazzle flutter, expanding force, and make it rain

[lofty tartan]

This Torn doesn't have Protect 🤷

[brazen bough]

do you recommend going back and forth between teams then choosing one to take

like different teams with different playstyles

[scarlet otter]

Yeah

[next stump]

I personally like just sticking with one team for a long time

but there are people who have success picking teams up right before an event

[tired sage]

you usually find a play style you like and then make a team around that

[lofty tartan]

I'm playing one team as my main focus, and I have a team to swap to if I need a break - then I have a third funsies team

But yeah like Dillon I think it's good to practice mostly with one team

[brazen bough]

gotcha

[lofty tartan]

I picked up a team right before Pittsburgh Regionals and did pretty okay, which was surprising enough

[tired sage]

i’m too comfy in tr/psyspam but it’s always nice to explore new things and that’s what i’m working on now.
trying out balance teams for the first time and boy is it confusing

[brazen bough]

welp sticking with this registeel team for now until then

[lofty tartan]

But I'd rather be more prepared for future events

[brazen bough]

oh what did you go

[lofty tartan]

I was 4-5 and played vs NeilVGC round 2, after winning out vs a guy that went 7-2 into day 2

[scarlet otter]

I recommend making multiple teams around different play stiles

Then pick the team that you enyojed and had better expirence with

[brazen bough]

not bad at all

and hella unlucky

[next stump]

neil round 2 is tough hahah

this was my portland opponents

[brazen bough]

how nerve-racking are regionals

[next stump]

my nerves get pretty bad

[brazen bough]

welp wish the best for you at charlotte gl

hopefully i do not match up against you and get a free ride to day 2

[next stump]

if you day 2 your first regional that is very impressive

that’s a small club of people

[lofty tartan]

I won game 1 but lost 2 and 3 because I didn't trust that my gut was good enough to beat him. Now I do. 😄

[brazen bough]

im just being optimistic haha

[lofty tartan]

Confidence and mental state are critically important, I think. So being optimistic is good

[brazen bough]

Im for sure gonna try playing in the tommy tuesday thoug

hopefully that is big this time around

[dapper crag]

Empoleon's moveset:

Physical Moves

Aerial Ace, Aqua Jet, Avalanche, Bide, Body Slam, Brick Break, Bulldoze, Covet, Cut, Dig, Dive, Double Hit, Double-Edge, Drill Peck, Dual Wingbeat, Earthquake, Facade, False Swipe, Flail, Fling, Flip Turn, Frustration, Fury Attack, Fury Cutter, Giga Impact, Headbutt, Ice Spinner, Knock Off, Lash Out, Liquidation, Metal Claw, Natural Gift, Peck, Pluck, Pound, Power Trip, Return, Rock Slide, Rock Smash, Rock Tomb, Secret Power, Shadow Claw, Steel Wing, Strength, Tackle, Take Down, Throat Chop, Triple Axel, Waterfall, Wave Crash

Special Moves

Air Cutter, Air Slash, Blizzard, Brine, Bubble, Bubble Beam, Chilling Water, Disarming Voice, Echoed Voice, Flash Cannon, Grass Knot, Hidden Power, Hydro Cannon, Hydro Pump, Hyper Beam, Ice Beam, Icy Wind, Mud-Slap, Round, Scald, Signal Beam, Snore, Steel Beam, Surf, Swift, Tera Blast, Uproar, Vacuum Wave, Water Gun, Water Pledge, Water Pulse, Weather Ball, Whirlpool

Status Moves

Agility, Aqua Ring, Attract, Captivate, Charm, Confide, Defog, Double Team, Endure, Feather Dance, Growl, Hail, Haze, Helping Hand, Hone Claws, Iron Defense, Laser Focus, Metal Sound, Mist, Mud Sport, Protect, Psych Up, Quash, Rain Dance, Rest, Roar, Roost, Scary Face, Sing, Sleep Talk, Snowscape, Stealth Rock, Substitute, Supersonic, Swagger, Swords Dance, Toxic, Water Sport, Work Up, Yawn

Notes

A move displayed with Bold text benefits from Same-Type Attack Bonus when used by Empoleon.

SableyeBot version 4.25.1

[tired sage]

empoleon

[fallen garden]

Lol I spent so long prepping for the BB Prologue but only had time for like 9 games this weekend, lol

An 8-1 record against low ladder isn't the worst, I suppose

[keen lava]

I love vikavolts high special attack, even though it’s speed sucks I can fix that with a trick room and boom

[dapper crag]

Move: Sketch

This move is permanently replaced by the last move used by the target. The copied move has the maximum PP for that move. Fails if the target has not made a move, if the user has Transformed, or if the move is Chatter, Sketch, Struggle, or any move the user knows.

Type

Normal

Category

Status

Power

0

Accuracy

—

PP (max)

1 (1.6)

Move Flags

​

Protect

Bypasses Protect-like moves.

Authentic

Bypasses substitute.

Contact

Does not make contact.

SableyeBot version 4.25.1

[scarlet otter]

At that point just use something like Torkoal

[keen lava]

Torkoals shiny is meh tho

[brazen bough]

https://vxtwitter.com/blue_vgc/status/1746196699838812554/photo/1

[quartz talon]

im trying to build my first competitive team (tried to build it around aegislash but i think im getting mixed up) if anyone is willing to give feedback please do so https://pokepast.es/146ac826b7043f14

[kindred cypress]

https://tenor.com/view/how-do-we-tell-him-mr-krabs-spongebob-meme-spongebob-meme-gif-24063814

[next stump]

what format is this for

[quartz talon]

gen 9 national dex (idk its just for showdown)

[kindred cypress]

Agislash ain’t in gen 9

[quartz talon]

damn

[next stump]

showdown has a bunch of formats though, so if it is for national dex then sure

but there are also dozens of other options

[quartz talon]

like what?

[kindred cypress]

Ghouldengo, same typing

[next stump]

all of the smogon tiered formats (OU is the biggest one I think), the two main VGC formats (doubles battles), a bunch of generation specific ones

[quartz talon]

yeah but then i would be able to use aegi right?

[next stump]

i have no idea what formats aegislash is in tbh lol

[quartz talon]

lol, anyway what about the team? i dont know what im doing

[scarlet otter]

Only NATDEX

In gen 9

[scarlet otter]

1. Stick with either special or physical Aegislash
2. Mega Swampert is mainly a rain mon so you'll need some rain setter

[quartz talon]

ok

and what could be a good rain setter?

[scarlet otter]

Kyogre, Pelipper, Politoed, Tornadus

I would recommend Pelipper or Tornadus more

Do these spreads just come from Smogon?

@quartz talon?

[quartz talon]

Yo mb i was eating

Yeah from smogon

[west tundra]

Anyone tryna 1v1

[brazen bough]

do you run 0 spe fari?

[next stump]

no but i've been considering switching to it

or at least slower

[nocturne holly]

my dumbass reading that as “I’ve been considering showering”

[chrome knot]

my cp updated now i #52 in Canadaaaaa

[brazen bough]

W

[grizzled pilot]

Speaking of aegi

What happened to it

[brazen bough]

its not in the games

[chrome knot]

i ate it

[grizzled pilot]

Oh

[grizzled pilot]

Wait last gen it fell off hard right

Was what the reason?

[grizzled pilot]

Still cant believe this is a pokemon

Some recent designs have reallly been looking very fakemon

Terapagos is the biggest offender

[true niche]

holy, new META standby animation?

[grizzled pilot]

I should really use my shiny meta

[brazen bough]

it isnt in the game

[brazen bough]

idk

i just caught a shiny marked ursaring full odds

i dont have shiny charm

[grizzled pilot]

Wasnt it in swhsh?

[brazen bough]

i didnt play during that time

[grizzled pilot]

Yeah it was

I was asking for last gen not now

[cyan smelt]

i keep losing even with farigiraf

[red ocean]

Can someone help me pick a good nature for an eviolite Flaaffy?

[supple ether]

Quiet, Sassy, Relaxed

+spatk, +spdef, +def

(all -speed since Im assuming TR or priority. Can also do Modest, Calm, and Bold for -atk)

[mighty stump]

It happens if you send it out in place of something that floats.

Scream Tail does the same thing

[supple ether]

The eye tracking in this game is goofy af sometimes regieleki is a menace < the opposing pokemon staring at regi

[shrewd scarab]

https://pokepast.es/f51774eca836eb48

Playing around with this. Might swap Peli for Torn and use manual rain

[mighty stump]

Just an FYI Monke you definitely want some SpDef investment on Archaludon cause its still liable to exploding to Flutter Mane

and some of your mons are wasting EVs

Since I think you did your EVs at level 100

for Archaludon and Incin I have sets in the blog post pinned if you wanna refer there

If you let me know what Urshifu thresholds you're trying to hit I can also pass you my bulky one since offensively its the same, just slower iirc

[bold geode]

Huh

Oh it autocorrected lol

[shrewd scarab]

Yea I raise all my Pokemon to level 100 that I use for comp. Idk why I’ve just always done it

I’m just messing around with it. I’ve been using a sun team lately to switch it up but then I saw that Archaludon was making a name for itself so I wanted to try it out

I’ve always liked rain teams so when I saw a new rain team set up I thought I’d go for it

[mighty stump]

Aye, just remember that EVs are different if you calc them at level 50/100, since level 50 EVs work at level 100 but not the other way around

[shrewd scarab]

Wanted Rilla on it but figured mushroom was better

[mighty stump]

Yea Amoonguss is better

Either way both provide recovery

Which Archa sorely wants

[shrewd scarab]

So what would I need to change for my EVs?

I did fairy Tera on Archa to prep for Flutter

[mighty stump]

Fairy doesnt resist Fairy

[shrewd scarab]

https://tenor.com/view/tomato-confused-gif-18656606

Why did I think it did lol

[mighty stump]

This is one of the Archa sets

[shrewd scarab]

That’s why you don’t throw a team together when your half asleep

[mighty stump]

On this team since youre running rain you probably want the special Incin set rather than the Urshi-resist one

So this is what i have

Then for the rest of them id just wiggle the slider at level 50 so they set correctly, then you can change them back to level 100

[shrewd scarab]

Thunderbolt on Archa instead of its signature move?

[mighty stump]

Electro Shot is fine since you have Rain

I just dont run Archa rain

At the time of writing

[shrewd scarab]

Alright makes sense. Thank you for your wisdom Tofu

[mighty stump]

Anytime

[shrewd scarab]

The sun team I’ve been using has been doing well for me though

[mighty stump]

thats good

wake?

[shrewd scarab]

Yea

https://pokepast.es/449af8db5c4dcc44

[knotty mirage]

If i want to makes iron crown team is it better to build it to be booster speed boost or just using it under trick room ?

[shrewd scarab]

@mighty stump do you have a spread for Torn? I think I wanna replace Peli with Manual rain tailwind Torn

[mighty stump]

atm

Tornadus @ Rocky Helmet
Ability: Prankster
Level: 50
Tera Type: Steel
EVs: 252 HP / 204 Def / 52 Spe
Timid Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

• Bleakwind Storm
• Tailwind
• Icy Wind
• Protect

Just slot in the moves yo want

[shrewd scarab]

Mmm so I need to swap held item with Amoongus

Since Incin will have SG I can put sitrus on Amoongus

[mighty stump]

Amoonguss could probably benefit off of Mental Herb/Covert Cloak/Sitrus

[shrewd scarab]

Metal herb. Didn’t think of that one

[kind ember]

I wonder how my opponent feels after missing 3 stone edges in a row

[ionic shell]

https://pokepast.es/5ab9953742aae391
will this work for doubles

[next stump]

in game? or like smogon doubles

[ionic shell]

vgc

[next stump]

Keldeo is illegal

and all of your pokemon pretty much have singles movesets

stealth rock is pretty useless in VGC

[ionic shell]

damn rip

[chrome knot]

yikes

[mighty stump]

Idk wtf is going on but Farigiraf-Ursaluna muist be flavour of the month right now

So if anyone cares, thats the MU to look for

[dapper crag]

https://play.pokemonshowdown.com/sprites/ani/lilligant.gif

[chrome knot]

she solves all problems

look how cute she is

[mighty stump]

dw im bringin Imprison TR/Follow Me/Hyper Voice/Psychic Indeedee

Gonna give it 5 moves

and make everyone suffer

[true flower]

is there an alternate way to max out a pokemon's ev? im trying to but it keeps saying it will have no effect

[knotty mirage]

If you got that message that mean your EV is already at max

Try to reduce some of the EV with berry

[true flower]

Ah ok

[nocturne holly]

whys it not hisui

[true flower]

It weird because none of the ev’s are maxxed but it won’t let me add to them

[mighty stump]

Becuase theres an overall cap to how many EVs a single Pokemon can have

-comp ev

[gentle crag]

Effort Values

Effort Values (EVs) are points that a Pokémon gains when earning EXP from a wild Pokémon battle.

The wild Pokémon defeated or caught will determine how many and in which stat those EVs are gained. An online Pokédex like Serebii.net is useful for finding this information.

Effect at Level 50

At Level 50, the first 4 EVs in a stat will grant +1 point to that stat, and every subsequent +1 stat point increase will require 8 EVs in that stat.

Effect at Level 100

At Level 100, every 4 EVs in a stat will grant +1 to that stat.

Maximum EVs

• Maximum total: 510
• Maximum in one stat: 252

Checking EVs

When looking at a Pokémon's summary, press X on the stats page to see EVs. Any EV that is maxed out will have sparkles around the stat name. When the Pokémon is fully trained, the previously orange shape will turn a light mint color.

Help Command: -comp help

[true flower]

Ah ok. Ty

[dapper crag]

https://play.pokemonshowdown.com/sprites/ani/lilligant-hisui.gif

[bold void]

There

[next stump]

brave min speed iron hands with close combat gives ursaluna a nightmare usually

[spark ledge]

rate this team: https://pokepast.es/ae7da0ab22f85b9c
the team consists of mostly just typical reg f fellows, but there's a wildcard in soul dew latios. i feel like it has so much damage potential (single target tho) and has great coverage moves. i'd love to receive any comments and/or mons replacement (idk whether rillaboom or incineroar is better for this team, rilla ogerpon might be better idk help me plez)

[last shoal]

What is a good counter against Zacian?

[molten cedar]

Oh my god in game ladder is insane

[sharp cobalt]

Out of the Glowtwins, who's the better TR setter?

[molten cedar]

Ran into Minimize Muk with Flamigo Costar and Latias Psych Up with just a bit of smeargle to top it off

[mighty stump]

That's been a thing for a while

[molten cedar]

Really? My first time running into it

[mighty stump]

Its one of the noted comps to prep for this metagame at the moment

[sharp cobalt]

Is it Glowking cuz of its better defensive stats?

[mighty stump]

Its not popular, due to its RNG based thing

And personally, pretty skilless and boring to play

But its relevant enough to warrant. Sometimes people just pray to avoid it since its not common

[molten cedar]

Luckily my Indeedee hit Flamigo before it could even attack so it caused no harm

[fallen garden]

what's the usual counterplay to minimize muck

[brazen bough]

Wait so does it avoid toxic spikes n stuff like that

[fallen garden]

mist or smth?

[mighty stump]

No

[mighty stump]

Denying the setup/Having moves that don't miss. Things like Sacred Sword ignore evasiveness as well, which you can leverage.

Weight based moves also do double damage and don't miss against Minimise users.

Dondozo players have nothing to really worry about due to Unaware

Any strong offensive presence like Chi-Flutter can also ruin their day since you can just click double spread moves

[fallen garden]

I see, thanks

[mighty stump]

Or, at the end of the day, you can just write it off due to the low usage. Its just a gimmick to be aware of really

[tired sage]

you can run clear smog if you have a torkoal

[mighty stump]

Clear Smog can still miss.

[molten cedar]

Honestly I was stupid for not bringing in Gallade since he has sacred sword

Should have noticed sooner

[tired sage]

it can’t…?
clear smog has no accuracy checks

[dapper crag]

Move: Clear Smog

Resets all of the target's stat stages to 0.

Type

Poison

Category

Special

Power

50

Accuracy

—

PP (max)

15 (24)

Move Flags

​

Mirror

Copied by Mirror Move.

Contact

Does not make contact.

SableyeBot version 4.25.1

Move: Clear Smog

Resets all of the target's stat stages to 0.

Type

Poison

Category

Special

Power

50

Accuracy

—

PP (max)

15 (24)

Move Flags

​

Mirror

Copied by Mirror Move.

Contact

Does not make contact.

SableyeBot version 4.25.1

[mighty stump]

Oh neat

[tired sage]

[mighty stump]

Then it changes to how is it going to bypass Sub on Muk

So still not really dependable

[tired sage]

well they usually set up a few minimize first so just slap it around with clear smog while it minimizes…
or in my experience they minimize first

[crude flame]

Im just starting out pvp and I had a question I can't find an answer for. I know you can buy items to get the EVs you want and can even change the nature of the pokemon you are catching, my question is can you just catch any pokemon and turn it into the best EV and nature? Like I caught an iron bundle, cant I just use candies and the mint to change it into the meta stats?

[mighty stump]

Smeargle paired with it has Spore/Follow Me

[tired sage]

yeah that’s fair

[mighty stump]

Yep.

[crude flame]

oh thats awesome thanks for the help!

[gentle crag]

suppert has given 1 Gen Rep to woodtofu

[true niche]

you fear?

[mighty stump]

Gouging Fire eats for free

[inner junco]

I need some advice, because I haven't done any competitive pokemon before. I'm doing a Shiny-Locke and want to build a competitive team to battle one of my friends. I need help deciding a good team composition, even if it is fringe.
Rules:

• Has to have a good/decent shiny (I love Garchomp, but his shiny is trash)
• A Competitive / Niche team
• For Scarlet/Violet (No megas, no impossible pokemon, etc)
• No Shiny Locked pokemon (poor Chi-Yu & Goldengo)

I have a list of favorite shiny, but it won't let me send the screenshot.

[bold void]

You need to be level 6 to send screenshots

[molten cedar]

Do Greedent Trick Room

[inner junco]

Greedent, Indeedee, Haterene, Kingambit, Annihilape, and Iron Hands?

[mighty stump]

If it's for a nuzlocke of any sort, might as well just refer to the Regulation A-D repository thats set up in the pins.

Those are all curated teams and across 3+ regulations theres bound to be something.

[inner junco]

Oh, perfect. I knew a resource like that would probably exist

[mighty stump]

Anything can function for in-game PvE content anyways

Its under the Regulation F resource bank, its all just one sheet.

[inner junco]

It will be PvP, with him using an actual competitive team.

[molten cedar]

Any trick room team moms are fine as long as Greedent and Indeedee are there

That is the way of the meme

[mighty stump]

...Right, I see any variation of "nuzlocke" and usually its PvE related.

[molten cedar]

Do you have any idea of what team your friend will use?

[mighty stump]

I wouldn't bother focusing on what the opponent will run when you can focus on building a solid team instead.

[inner junco]

I see. I guess I'm just trying to get used to competitive pokemon after not playing even casual pokemon for a decade. The team comp needs Greedent and Indeedee, as well as Trick Room and support mons?

[molten cedar]

That’s if you want to use Greedent, you can just make a normal TR team if you want, Greedent is just for memes

[inner junco]

Less "nuzlock" and more "I can only use pokemon that are Shiny" -- thus, building a shiny competitive team that actually looks and plays well

[tired sage]

indeedee is already a support in a way

[molten cedar]

He’s not a competitive staple or anything

[tired sage]

actually im wondering the viability of psyspam in one mon (indeedee-M) in comp.
i’ve been seeing way too many of them in cts showdown…

[inner junco]

Not quite sure. Probably a Goldengo

[molten cedar]

I prefer Indeedee-F in general because it functions as a support not only for the spammer but for the whole team

But there could be some use in One Mon Psyspam

[tired sage]

well i know psyspam pretty well and indeedee-F is a staple support for hard TR teams i usually play in

but i was wondering like….
what if Indeedee-M as a solo psyspam

[inner junco]

Oh interesting. I found a team that placed well that has a few of my favorites
(Umbreon, Dracopult, Skele, Rotom W, Tink, & Volcarona)

I guess I don't understand how competitive pokemon function. But I guess that might be the learning curve of it all..?

[nocturne holly]

If you’re starting out vgc rentals are definitely the best way to start

[tired sage]

the teambuilding process takes quite a bit so if you want to start in competitive, like Sour said, you could start with rentals to get a feel first before you dive into teambuilding

[inner junco]

Yeah, it looks like a Rental team. How do rentals work? I'll probably just build it myself. I'm a shiny grinder anyway

I've already got $7m Pokemoney and a few fully built raid pokemon. Hardest grind is the shiny :|

[tired sage]

rentals you just type out the code up in the top corner and it registers as a battle team which you can just take into battle right away

[molten cedar]

Agree. If you don’t understand how a good team looks like and how it plays, you’re gonna have a hard time creating one yourself.

[tired sage]

unless you’re me and have way too many stupid ideas

[molten cedar]

It’s also good to play different kinds of teams to understand the inner workings of different archetypes and teams

[inner junco]

Yeah, I won't create one myself quite yet. I know enough meta to exploit Raids, but not other players

[molten cedar]

You’re talking to the guy who made Rain Own Tempo Tinkaton with Swagger Politoed

I think I know a little bit about stupid ideas

[tired sage]

i’ve burnt the house down too many times trying to cook
pledge combos, power lens 0spe wake in trick room with torkoal

uhhhhh….

swagger mirror herb snowscape torn with slush rush alolan sandslash

[molten cedar]

I 100% relate with Pledge Combos

Why do those moves suck so much

[tired sage]

i mean they’re not bad

[molten cedar]

Yeah, but basically all the starters have better stuff

[inner junco]

I appreciate your cooking!! I hope to one day learn some recipes as I dive into competitive with my friends

[tired sage]

uhhhh…..
baton pass dancer oricorio with clang soul kommo-o and i pass into flutter or chi yu

belly drum eiscue with a9 support

i could go on and on

[molten cedar]

Trailblaze Utility Umbrella Brute Bonnet with Sunny Day Grafaiai Parting Shot into Flutter Mane

Awesome new sun team

[tired sage]

well what’s not to love about a 80 base power 100 accuracy water move on empoleon

https://pokepast.es/cebb7c6eda5f9532
uhhhhh…. this team speaks for itself

252+ atk banded tera normal explosion regieleki guaranteed OHKO against almost anything

[molten cedar]

I can only focus on Ambipom with Normal Gem Fake Out Last Resort

[tired sage]

fake out normal gem technician…
so i deal at least 30% max

then i just mash last resort

[molten cedar]

Could have been a top tier ambipom build if it had Solar Beam

[dapper crag]

Frrr

[molten cedar]

Literally all I was thinking when they announced all starters in Indigo Disk was:
Maybe now you can make a good Pledge Combo?

You can’t

[dapper crag]

I’ve literally never used those moves

Like what’s the point

[molten cedar]

Creating ideas and shattering them the moment you try to actually use them

[polar canyon]

100 accuracy special water move

Like only reason to use it but it is a reason

On empoleon and I guess blastoise?

[dapper crag]

But the base power is so underwhelming

[polar canyon]

Also it doesn't get redirected by storm drain which is neat

[polar canyon]

I'll rather have consistent decent enough damage than hydro miss

[tired sage]

mhm

[bold geode]

I smell something burning in here

[nocturne holly]

-calc 110*0.8

[gentle crag]

Result: 88.000000

[nocturne holly]

expected value of hydro pump

I think
w math

[bold geode]

Idk if that's what happens

[nocturne holly]

it’s just the amount of damage you do on average

it looks goofy because you either hit or miss for 0

triple axel would be better

[dapper crag]

Move: Triple Axel

Hits three times. Power increases to 40 for the second hit and 60 for the third. This move checks accuracy for each hit, and the attack ends if the target avoids a hit. If one of the hits breaks the target's substitute, it will take damage for the remaining hits. If the user has the Skill Link Ability, this move will always hit three times.

Type

Ice

Category

Physical

Power

20

Accuracy

90

PP (max)

10 (16)

Move Flags

​

Mirror

Copied by Mirror Move.

Contact

Makes contact.

SableyeBot version 4.25.1

[nocturne holly]

-calc (200.90.1)+(600.90.90.1)+(1200.90.90.9)

[gentle crag]

Result: 94.140000

[nocturne holly]

that’s the expected value of triple axel

I think
looks good enough

[tired sage]

that would be me burning the house down with my stupid ideas

[nocturne holly]

-calc 0.9^3

[gentle crag]

Result: 0.729000

[nocturne holly]

math is such a w

[bold geode]

Ah

[tired sage]

i’m still in disbelief and disgust at myself for cooking normal gem technician fake out last resort ambipom

[mighty stump]

Showdown is bugged, do not play Bo3 Ladder.

[next stump]

is it the bug where your games won’t close

[mighty stump]

Where you don't get awarded wins or shit

If the opponent forfeits and leaves the room

You're stuck perpetually

with no alteration of points

Ive been cheated out of probably 50+ elo atp

[light yarrow]

I’m just starting to get into Smogon. Should I play OU or Ubers if I want to learn the game more?

[mighty stump]

Fundamentally those both play the same, it just depends on what mons you wanna use.

[light yarrow]

Ok! I like Shaymin Sky so I think Ubers is for me.

[brazen bough]

Will the time i caught my pokemon effect me in the regiona

It says my ogerpon was caught on march 23rd 2023 lol

Because i was like time advancing

[mighty stump]

Well it shouldn't be a weird illegal time.

[brazen bough]

Wait i have to do another playthrough for oger?

[nocturne holly]

I caught my shiny incin in July 2024

[mighty stump]

I personally just wouldn't risk having an illegal time lol

[nocturne holly]

I was supposed to switch it back to internet time once I encountered it

I forgot tho

[next stump]

99.9% sure you’re good

let me ask a judge friend

[brazen bough]

K

[unkempt flax]

Man I love having zero skill and just spamming wicked blow until I get to 1570

(Me)

[kind ember]

Your telling me a wellspring mask ivy cudgel is able to one shot grass types in the rain💀

[nocturne holly]

what grass types in question

I remember I ohkoed tera water abomasnow in sun with Tera fire firepon (+1 atk) on a crit

still crazy

[next stump]

you should be okay

as long as of course it’s your actual legit ogerpon

[tired sage]

in the right scenario? yes

[brazen bough]

For sure

Thanks

[kind ember]

That tumble weed Pokémon and robot deer

[nocturne holly]

yea brambleghats hella frail

[mighty stump]

Those things are made of paper lol

1.2x from mask boost
1.5x from rain
effective 1.3x boost from Tera

[dull ibex]

Hello

[mighty stump]

Damn

Its been a minute

[ionic shell]

Bruh does communication error even update points

[pale burrow]

Hello tofu

[ionic shell]

Should’ve been master ball already but 2 ppl just rage quit

[next stump]

yes sometimes it takes time though

[mighty stump]

At least it wasnt SD ladder

on Bo3

[unkempt flax]

Anyone got an extra ability patch?

I’m getting no luck getting it in loto lol

[inner junco]

Could you have a Trick Room team with A.Golem with a Galvanized Explosion..? Sounds like it could easily 1 tap most everything, no?

[knotty mirage]

They can still protect so no

[inner junco]

Yes, they can protect. But if they get hit, can they survive?

[knotty mirage]

If your openent predict your explosion and just protect both of their mon you lost alolan golem for nothing there

[inner junco]

And does Protect give priority even during trick room?

[knotty mirage]

It does actually

[knotty mirage]

Depend on what you hitting if it's ground type well of course they will

[inner junco]

So, might be funny for a 1 time joke, but probably not super competitive?

[knotty mirage]

Yeah it def too gimmicky and really incosistent

[inner junco]

What if it could be consistent? Knowing that you at least kill 1 of their pokemon?

Feint has a +2 Priority and breaks the protection

Ex: Raichu, Gliscor, or Zebstrika, who can all learn Feint and would either be immune or buffed by the now galvanized explosion

[nocturne holly]

I mean you could probably pull it off cts bo1

very gimmicky

[knotty mirage]

I guess it could work on in games ladder but it's too gimmicky

[fluid wind]

which tatugiri yall think is better for dondozo

[next stump]

i think RN it’s +ATK one

[fluid wind]

ok

it the orange 1 right cuz i forgot lol

[tired sage]

orange but some people use yellow tatsu

[dull ibex]

a fat minute to be exact

[fluid wind]

yea was thinking about the speed 1 but ima try the attack 1 first

[tired sage]

speed is okay but like…
that omniboost helps so orange flavoured tatsu is what i usually see

[fluid wind]

https://pokepast.es/cccb120616017a97

[smoky hawk]

Speed booster gouging fire makes a decent partner for dozo. It can howl it up before tatsu comes in

[fluid wind]

i dont have it yet cuz im lazy lol

[unkempt flax]

What’s the bulk on Entei again

For HP and SPD

Trying to make a calc to one shot it

[stone tide]

115 hp and 75 sp.def

[next stump]

oof

[worn slate]

I wanna make a sand team with Bastiodon but idk who else to use

[ionic shell]

Finally ty guys

Can’t believe I used beat up terrakion to climb from ultra to masterball

Everyone was just quitting ☠️

[mighty stump]

Congrats

[elder root]

Any opinions on the best offensive tailwind setter?

[mighty stump]

Torn

[dull ibex]

Vc?

[mighty stump]

Sure

[dull ibex]

It's up

[sharp nacelle]

anyone willing to answer a barrage of questions related to IV/EV, bottlecaps, and vitamins?

[bold geode]

Lemme in

[sharp nacelle]

it’s easier for me to learn with Q&A rather than guides

[dull ibex]

No

[next stump]

sure, I can try to help

[sharp nacelle]

ty!! i’ll dm you

[gentle crag]

sfinns has given 1 Gen Rep to mlbd

[smoky hawk]

Ouch

He better back that up

[whole ibex]

Mind if I pull to the Vc?

[dull ibex]

It's open

[vivid nest]

Hey, got a question about Amoonguss. Why have 27 Speed IV instead of 0 IV? Isn't min speed with relaxed nature better overall?

[mighty stump]

Random IVs tend to just reflect what people caught and used

that were not very important to alter

[vivid nest]

Great! Thanks, thought it was for a specific purpose

[karmic temple]

https://pokepast.es/ccda89358bd97bf9

Porygon and flutter feel awkward but Idk who to replace them for

[next stump]

this team doesn’t want TR really

so yeah Porygon doesn’t fit super well

[mighty stump]

Slap Urshifu on here and call it a day

[brazen bough]

Is it even possible to get bm without any badges

[humble estuary]

Hey can someone help me build a competitive team I need some tips. It’s my first time building one and I already have the team built but I think I still might need some help. (It’s a private league with its own rules btw)

[vivid nest]

Not really a pro at competitive, but I could give you my insight if thats ok

[humble estuary]

Sure can I call u ?

[vivid nest]

Ah sorry, can't do that :/

[humble estuary]

Alr

Can u still help me?

[vivid nest]

Sure

[humble estuary]

K

[elder bridge]

What is a Pokémon that beats entie and iron crown + indeedee

[next stump]

i’m not sure there is one pokémon who does all of that

ogerpon-water is a decent answer

your own entei with assault vest could be decent

[vivid nest]

Maybe Wide Guard?

[elder bridge]

What are Pokémon that are good with an Assault vest

[ember cave]

I use Swampert with Assult Vest

[humble estuary]

My team is skeladerge with incinerate, bite, torch song, and yawn, Golurk with Phantom force, stomping tantrum, earthquake, and dynamic punch, iron hands with force palm, electric terrain, close combat, thunder punch, latiose with dragon pulse, heal pulse, zen headbutt, and memento,dragonite with dragon rush, dragon dance, extreme speed and wing attack, and last but not least garadose with hydro pump, hurricane, rain dance, and scald. @vivid nest

[vivid nest]

Usually I see AV on pokémon that are are strong but need more survivability to dish out more damage or be less frail to special attacks. Examples that come to mind are archaludon, tyranitar, metagross, iron hands, rillaboom

[humble estuary]

I have iron hands on my team already

[vivid nest]

Is the team made for doubles or singles?

[lunar fiber]

Hello comp players im fresh new to comp anything i can do to make my team comp?

[vivid nest]

On Skeledirge, having Bite doesn't accomplish too much, seeing that its special attack is higher and torch song is your main attack, I'd replace with Protect; Incinerate isn't very good as its low damage output and specific usage to burn berries can be replaced by Shadow Ball or other coverage move
For Golurk, usually you'll have No Guard as its ability to allow low accuracy moves such as Dynamic Punch to always hit, therefore High Horsepower is a better option over Stomping Tantrum, and maybe I'd replace Eartquake for Ice Punch or other coverage move

[vivid nest]

Latios stats are more focused on being an offensive special attacker rather than a support mon with Heal Pulse. Usually it runs Draco Meteor and Luster Purge for STAB attacks, protect and other coverage move such as Ice Beam, Tbolt or Tailwind in case of double battles to help your team. I'd change the moveset entierly, but if you want it to have a support role, I'd use Latias over Latios

[lunar fiber]

i use gliscor skeledirge archaludon terapagos ogerpon clodsire eelektross hydrapple annihilape lokix gastrodon coalossal baxcalibur golurk lucario vikabolt quagsire blastoise galvantula metagross lurantis volcarona spidops cinderace garganacl flapple haxorus heracross and toedscruel anything but mostly gliscor and skeledirge thinking of adding vikabolt cinderace blastoise and garganacl to the comp team

[vivid nest]

Dragonite is ok, but it can be better. Seeing the dragon dance approach means you'll likely have Multiscale as its ability with maybe Lum berry to prevent burns or sleep; replace wing attack with aerial ace as its stronger and can't miss, but can be replace by another coverage move if its for singles; drop dragon rush as its accuracy wont help you win battles often, instead use Outrage for a strong attack with the drawback of locking you to that move or Dragon Claw which is weaker. Extreme speed is great with tera normal.
Iron Hands is good with Assault Vest, Fake Out, Drain Punch, Wild Charge and a coverage move if its for doubles, but for singles you could go for a swords dance set with drain punch, thunder punch, sw dance and ice punch with leftovers. Having Electric Terrain really sets you back as only Iron Hands benefits from it if its not KO'd after using the move.
Lastly Gyarados with a special attacking moveset is more a fun gimmick vs ddance builds, or the ocasional support moveset for doubles. I'd play to its strengths imo, but if you want to use the special moveset, then I'd go Choice Specs for max damage output with hydro pump, fire blast, ice beam and hurricane.

I hope this was helpful to you @humble estuary

[humble estuary]

Thanks you so mush I was expecting much less this is amazing

[gentle crag]

scuddiejack has given 1 Gen Rep to jm1000qfb

[ionic shell]

any dozo rental comps

[vivid nest]

check out #rental_teams , there might be one or two

[runic bloom]

need a vgc mentor/ friend

[cyan smelt]

man iron hands really fell off hey

[autumn kelp]

Enjoyed the lecture, written and everything about this, thank you, I appriciate the time you put into this.

[gentle crag]

flaminpoke has given 1 Gen Rep to woodtofu

[autumn kelp]

not a mentor but I can be a friend

[cyan smelt]

just beat a smeargle gimmick team, i'm happy with myself

[dapper crag]

Pokémon No. 130: Gyarados

Types

Water/Flying

Abilities

Intimidate, Moxie (Hidden)

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

95/125/79/60/100/81

Total

540

Other Formes

Gyarados-Mega

SableyeBot version 4.25.1

[nocturne holly]

why would you use that for sp atk

[dapper crag]

Is Jolly nature Hisuian Samurott still illegal in competitive?

[cyan smelt]

no hisuian samurott is legal

[dapper crag]

👍🏼

[brazen bough]

It was illegal any format before home

[next stump]

good morning

[brazen bough]

Good morning

I didnt know bm ursaluna is this difficult

[cyan smelt]

difficult how

[brazen bough]

Like i made a fresh start

And its like impossible to beat consistently

[cyan smelt]

are you trying for 0 atk 0 speed iv

[brazen bough]

No just 0spe

0atk is way too unnecessary

Nothing runs foul play

[cyan smelt]

i need to get to pecharunt so i can get a 0 attack iv one, i got too caught up when it released and got one with horrible stats

[brazen bough]

You probably dont need to reset for that

Unless we have a mythical format its never gonna be legal

[cyan smelt]

eh i want to anyway because i'm ocd lmao

they might do a mythical format right at the end of sv

[mighty stump]

Running Foul Play Ttar good luck to all my opponents

[brazen bough]

Doesnt chien get foul play

[cyan smelt]

ttar gets foul play?

[mighty stump]

It do

[mighty stump]

appreciate your read

[near crag]

Does cc whimsicott need to try to outspeed torn? Or is it better to invest solely in bulk?

[mighty stump]

Bulk

[near crag]

Why?

[mighty stump]

Cause id prefer not exploding to Dnite and miscellaneous damage without Focus Sash to save me

Turn 1s theres no point in playing the Taunt game when both sides can just equalise

You also just need to lead one where theyre incentivised to equalise

[near crag]

thanks

and do both chien pao and urshifu need to run 252 atk, 252 spe?

[dapper crag]

So, Hisuian Samurott is eligible in the new regulation set, but it still won’t let me use him, am I doing something wrong?

[cyan smelt]

what's your moveset, it might have an illegal move

[cyan smelt]

what's the message you get?

[dapper crag]

When I’m selecting my team he has a 🚫 on him

[cyan smelt]

i don't know, it should be allowed

try deleting its moves and readding them

[mighty stump]

Urshifu, not really. Chien-Pao, since it runs sash, has no reason to run anything else

[dapper crag]

Samurott-Hisui's moveset:

Physical Moves

Aerial Ace, Aqua Cutter, Aqua Jet, Aqua Tail, Avalanche, Body Slam, Brick Break, Bulldoze, Ceaseless Edge, Dig, Drill Run, Facade, False Swipe, Fling, Flip Turn, Fury Cutter, Giga Impact, Knock Off, Lash Out, Liquidation, Megahorn, Night Slash, Razor Shell, Retaliate, Sacred Sword, Slash, Smart Strike, Sucker Punch, Tackle, Take Down, Thief, Throat Chop, Upper Hand, Waterfall, X-Scissor

Special Moves

Air Slash, Blizzard, Chilling Water, Dark Pulse, Grass Knot, Hydro Cannon, Hydro Pump, Hyper Beam, Ice Beam, Icy Wind, Snarl, Surf, Swift, Tera Blast, Vacuum Wave, Water Gun, Water Pledge, Water Pulse, Whirlpool

Status Moves

Copycat, Detect, Encore, Endure, Focus Energy, Helping Hand, Protect, Rain Dance, Rest, Scary Face, Screech, Sleep Talk, Snowscape, Soak, Substitute, Swords Dance, Tail Whip, Taunt

Notes

A move displayed with Bold text benefits from Same-Type Attack Bonus when used by Samurott-Hisui.

SableyeBot version 4.25.1

[cyan smelt]

it can learn all those moves so idk what the problem is

[mighty stump]

Duplicate item

[cyan smelt]

yeah

[dapper crag]

Is there illegal held items or natures or abilities?

[cyan smelt]

if it's for doubles you can't have two of the same held item

[dapper crag]

Oh that’s the problem😂 I had like 3 life orbs

What’s a good replacement for life orb

[near crag]

what should I run on shifu, than?

[cyan smelt]

it probably wants sash i guess

[mighty stump]

Depends on the team.

[near crag]

https://pokepast.es/a5918bb28354d06d

[mighty stump]

Scarfs tend to run that max max as well, but Pikalytics should have spreads you can reference

[dapper crag]

Already have it on my Urshifu

[cyan smelt]

then yeah probably lorb

[near crag]

sash isn't the greatest item for shifu. It could work, but imo it benefits more from scarf or mystic water

[dapper crag]

It’s single strike shifu, I know it’s not the best version of shifu😅

[cyan smelt]

does single strike run scarf?

[dapper crag]

Choice scarf?

[cyan smelt]

yeah

wait, how about choice band

[dapper crag]

I mean it could work, I’d just be stuck using one move tho

[cyan smelt]

yeah but if something outspeeds you you have sucker punch

[mighty stump]

Sash/Scarf/CB/Dark Glasses

[cyan smelt]

also idk about running both hisuian samurott and single strike urshifu on the same team, leaves you really weak to fairy

[dapper crag]

Is fairy common this season?

[cyan smelt]

flutter mane is one of the most used pokemon still

[mighty stump]

I suggest you go skim Pikalytics to know what you'll have to look out for.

[dapper crag]

Ok

Not gonna lie, I’m still new to this, so I was just making a ghost and dark type team but it back fired on me😅

[supple ether]

Fluttermane

[mighty stump]

So far ive top 500'd with random different mons

and its been wack

Okidogi is funny

It also gave me the chance to test the huge meta shift

BM Ursa + Giraffe literally everywhere on ladder

[bold geode]

How did the meta shift like that
Explain Tofu

[mighty stump]

Carris actually just tweeted about it lol

Money tours

[bold geode]

Ah

[mighty stump]

People wanna win and use the stuff theyve been saving for Charlotte for money

[knotty mirage]

Is lilikoal still good on this reg ?

[brazen bough]

yep

I just switched to bm ursa registeel

fari

[bold geode]

Honestly
Not a bad thought

[bold geode]

Might be a bit tougher but it could work possibly

Seeing as under Sun, Lilligant outspeeds everything basically
All you gotta be wary about is manual rain setters or rain in general

[knotty mirage]

Oh damn planning to add the duo for my iron crown psyspam team

[brazen bough]

I mean jump koal is more popular but either work imo

[knotty mirage]

Oh noted

[bold geode]

Noooooooo

Hisuian Lilligant and Torkoal

[brazen bough]

jump koal is for faster teams

[dapper crag]

Pokémon No. 189: Jumpluff

Types

Grass/Flying

Abilities

Chlorophyll, Leaf Guard, Infiltrator (Hidden)

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

75/55/70/55/95/110

Total

460

SableyeBot version 4.25.1

Pokémon No. 549: Lilligant-Hisui

Types

Grass/Fighting

Abilities

Chlorophyll, Hustle, Leaf Guard (Hidden)

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

70/105/75/50/75/105

Total

480

Base Species

Lilligant

SableyeBot version 4.25.1

[bold geode]

Huh

[knotty mirage]

[bold geode]

Well regardless Hisuian Lilligant probably better anyways

And with Crown Spam, Crown can be a fast mode and you can probably have a TR mode easy as well

[knotty mirage]

I actually still contemplating between fast build with speed booster energy or slow bulky for special attack booster energy

[next stump]

playing bloodmoon in tourneys is so annoying because i wish i knew their speed IV

[brazen bough]

im going for 3 speed

[next stump]

yeah mine is either 2 or 3 IV, same final stat

so if they're min speed then I outspeed outside of TR, but some could be faster

[brazen bough]

im gonna go between those 2 yea

or maybe creep at 4 if i dont feel like resetting again

[mighty stump]

why play the when you can just play faster Bloodmoon with 31 IV and never have to guess

Pair it with Amoonguss and you don't care about their speed IV

[brazen bough]

i like that i did just get a 0 speed amoonguss

but i cant really slot it onto my team

and i really like the redirection out of it

i mean since im running registeel it may be better over waterpon

but im using firepon rn

[cyan smelt]

man bo1 ladder is much easier than bo3

[bold geode]

It kinda is but kinda not at the same time

[brazen bough]

i think it overall is

[cyan smelt]

it's less punishing

[bold geode]

Bit more gimmicks on BO1
On BO3, you can find some stuff you'd more consistently see in tournaments

[mighty stump]

Bo1 is pretty easy

[bold geode]

Like you don't usually prepare for those so you gotta power through

[mighty stump]

but the variance is just higher

[bold geode]

Also BO3 is hard as well if you're not as good at retaining info from OTS

[mighty stump]

Linear teams with clear tools tend to perform better in bo3 when you know the opposing options

[bold geode]

Or retaining info you find out from matches, like how much did this attack do to this

[brazen bough]

i like laddering on cart

i feel like that is much better practice than bo1 showdown

[cyan smelt]

i'm seeing if my team works on showdown before building it on cart

[brazen bough]

especially facing good players on bo1

[mighty stump]

eh

basically the same thing

[brazen bough]

now that im in the top 600 range i feel like im getting good games

understandable

[runic bloom]

is F tier low

[mighty stump]

sometimes you can just thrn off your brain and play