competitive_discussion

[charred saddle]

modest special attack booster mane, dazling

https://pokepast.es/9dddceb0cd8165ba

idk if the team is still relevant with reg F coming in, and its an old reg E meta team
ps. i changed the rilla tera to fire

[lucid jasper]

Yea maybe harcanine might be a bit better than incin in that scenario for more offensive pressure. Guna have to try that out forsure

[charred saddle]

most EV spread are crap too, so dont rely on it

[lucid jasper]

Ok kool was just about to ask the calcs on the hp and def for harcanine lol

[charred saddle]

oh i did some dumb calcs. that lived a -1 drain punch IH 252 adamant

[nocturne holly]

https://pokepast.es/c261c64eeead1dd3 thoughts? What could I do for the last slots

[charred saddle]

which now that i think about it, isnt that much valuable

it was for safe switch in, but then again not good

[lucid jasper]

Ah ok good to kno thank you. U get good milage out of tera dark SD black glasses kingambit? I tried that set out but with all these new spatk paradoxes i felt i needed that av.

[charred saddle]

ye, it was a reg E team. one of the main focus lead i have was waterpon + gambit, follow me Sword dance and go from there

[lucid jasper]

Ah ok yea redirection was something i didnt even consider.

[charred saddle]

the waterpon was also made to be very tanky

but gambit AV is definitely nice i think for reg F, like u said bolt and all

but also in a case where other mon can have the AV better maybe

idk, i was just chirping in on how i would play around TR and fast prio

since its a similar layout

gambit + some offensive pressure (since they usually TR follow me)
then rilla in back

[lucid jasper]

Not a pro by any means but off a quick glance im not sure wat your gameplan is for that team. You got a tailwind setter with 3 pretty slowmons so your not outspeeding anything really. Last 2 slots might wana be some mons that benefit fron tailwind support from latias?

[charred saddle]

if ur doing 252 speed gambit, why not just turbo gambit haha

icy wind assurance combo does a shit ton

[lucid jasper]

Absolutley. Guna have to try that lead. Guna give haracanine a try as well for more offensive pressure turn 1. Ty

[gentle crag]

woefulghost has given 1 Gen Rep to abused1

[charred saddle]

idk if Harc can be Incin replacement tho, they did different job i think

incin had fake out pressure, parting shot too

its more of a utility set

HArc is just bonk bonk

and with incin harc in i think there’ll be lots of defiant and competitive mon abusers

[lucid jasper]

Yea i think i need the bonk bonk lol. Sometimes incin just doesnt do enuff for theze tr matchups that i really struggle with

Il try it out n see how it works out

[charred saddle]

goodluck

[bold geode]

Hello, piss and poop guy

Also I'm late AF but Pao Entei is good too
Actually resists Flutter Mane so that's good

[timber falcon]

Finally got my hands on my latias. It’s all coming together

[charred saddle]

[keen karma]

Dynamax adventures?

[timber falcon]

Trade

[keen karma]

Uhhh

Are you sure they got it legitimately

[nocturne holly]

idk I’m trying urbogambit

[timber falcon]

Passed hack check

[nocturne holly]

is turbogambit solely with bundle

[charred saddle]

ye paotei def better now that u mention it, by default entei resist fairy

so dazzling wont do much

[charred saddle]

not really, but bundle is the best abuser since its fucking speed icy wind

idk if latias can do the same but

[dapper crag]

https://play.pokemonshowdown.com/sprites/gen5/tatsugiri.png

[charred saddle]

with TW up, u can def icy wind first

[nocturne holly]

I’ll try it

[charred saddle]

if theres no tw in the opposing too anyway

[nocturne holly]

Anyways thoughts bout the last two slots?

[charred saddle]

not gonna give too much opinion for reg F

need to see where its at, since im still learning

[nocturne holly]

Primarina and gambit are pretty versatile in that they can work both in tr and tw

I’m gonna do some spe calcs with primarina so I can speed creep in tw

[keen karma]

Now i need to contemplate whether i run ca dozo or lefties

[nocturne holly]

lefties

[tiny linden]

hey im new to pokemon and im playing on my boyfirend account and i want to get into competitive to beat him

any help?

idk where to start

[keen karma]

Use dondozo + tatsugiri

[tiny linden]

thats the lil fish guy i love him is he really that strong??

[keen karma]

Together they are pretty hard for some people to play against

[tiny linden]

okay imma get them to lvl 100

[keen karma]

Not really necessary

Also check pinned messages it will give you alot of useful resources for getting started

[timber falcon]

Did the nerf dondozo and tatsugiri? I’m pretty sure u can’t swap out anymore

Into flamigo

[keen karma]

That was always a thing

• that was just a gimmick some people ran where tatsugiri ran toxic orb endure

[timber falcon]

Oh ok

[tiny linden]

wow theres a lot to acount for

[willow vault]

Considering my I haven’t played Pokémon in about a week I will take 1200

Also Magmar, really good I like

[cyan smelt]

archaludon seems really interesting

[charred saddle]

AV archaludon is a tank

its so tanky that its so dumb

[timber falcon]

Took me a week to get there too lmao

[cyan smelt]

and even if you hit it with a special attack you still proc the stamina boost

[charred saddle]

huh

it does?

[cyan smelt]

yep

[dapper crag]

Ability: Stamina

This Pokemon's Defense is raised by 1 stage after it is damaged by a move.

SableyeBot version 4.25.0

[charred saddle]

holy shmokes

i thought only physical hits

[cyan smelt]

they must've changed it because it used to be just physical i swear

[charred saddle]

tha fak

beatup to proc max stamina then body press with AV archaludon

[cyan smelt]

i'm thinking bout running sunny day and rain dance on torn just to stop electro shot lol

[charred saddle]

hahaha

idk tho, having 2 weather sets is weird in move haha

[cyan smelt]

it would probably give flutter time to KO archaludon before it gets the electro shot off

it's just so damn tanky

[smoky hawk]

I still haven't decided what my team will be for Portland

I can't decide... but probably weather

[orchid bay]

Are there any sites that tell you how/what to get particular EV spreads? E.g. beat 20 Iron Hands with power item, beat two more without and 2 feathers?

So if I wanted to go for this spread, I know I can pow pow all the Chansey, but then for def and attack, it will be an odd combo

[karmic temple]

No you just have to do the math unfortunately

[orchid bay]

I don’t like math 😦

I don’t even like teaching maths 😦

[cyan smelt]

marriland has an ev calculator

[karmic temple]

https://marriland.com/guides/ev-training/scarlet-violet/attack/

[polar canyon]

Guys

Wanna see something cool

[karmic temple]

It’ll list all the pokemon that give that ev and how many evs they give. Just switch to whatever stat you need and hope for the best

[polar canyon]

Say yes

[karmic temple]

Honestly just use vitamins for the most part then hunt down the 2-6 evs from whatever pokemon

If you can afford the vitamins anyways

[orchid bay]

Thank you. I’ll have another look at Marriland. Any better Araquanid EV spreads than the one listed post Sun + Moon?

[karmic temple]

Item printer makes it easy mode to farm items to sell

[orchid bay]

I can’t 🤣

[orchid bay]

I’ve not looked into item printer yet

[karmic temple]

Pikalytics or munchstats for builds

[cyan smelt]

isn't pokestats good too

[karmic temple]

If you have the dlc the item printer is a godsend

[polar canyon]

Ima be real on the first day of using I got 800k

[karmic temple]

I don’t use pokestats myself so I can’t say

[cyan smelt]

i'm at max money because of the item printer

[karmic temple]

https://tenor.com/view/show-me-what-you-got-rick-and-morty-what-you-got-gif-14263667

[orchid bay]

How do I search Pikalytics for Araquanid? Nothing coming up

[polar canyon]

I got a blowtorch for christmas

[cyan smelt]

you'll have to wait until reg f goes live i think

or it might update on jan 1st

[polar canyon]

Isn't that when it goes live

[cyan smelt]

no, it goes live on jan 4th

[polar canyon]

Cool

[orchid bay]

I’ll just stick with the sun moon build. It’s doubtful that it will get any use anyway

[karmic temple]

Honestly you can use it for now, wait a week or two after the meta starts and then you can see if the spreads are any different

[cyan smelt]

araquanid might be used on tr teams

[karmic temple]

We love blow torches

[orchid bay]

It’s going to be in game, remember. Or maybe I didn’t say. Can’t remember

[karmic temple]

Araquanid is gonna be good for tr and slow rain teams

[orchid bay]

Going to be on my first team against Crispin

[karmic temple]

Slow as shit but hits like a truck cause of its ability I believe

[orchid bay]

Boom boom water bubble

[polar canyon]

Legit just huge power but only for its water stab

[orchid bay]

Not much good for anything else though bar wide guard and sticky web

[karmic temple]

Water bubble + rain + mystic water + tera

[polar canyon]

No self boosting

[karmic temple]

Scawy

[polar canyon]

You could do some coaching strats

[orchid bay]

I think we’re all getting in over our heads. I just want an in game team. That’s all

Running Exeggutor, Flygon, Araquanid and something else

[cyan smelt]

torn araquanid would work

[orchid bay]

Metagross

Torn?

[cyan smelt]

tornadus

[polar canyon]

That tailwind 42 base speed

[cyan smelt]

i was thinking for rain dance

[orchid bay]

Mmmmm I prefer not to use legendaries in my playthrough

[polar canyon]

Playthrough?

I thought this was for competitive

You can use whatever you like

[orchid bay]

But where else do you get a good view on your in game builds?

[polar canyon]

Showdown?

[orchid bay]

Too much

Savannah biome any good for EV training? Chansey and Farigiraf abundant?

[karmic temple]

Oh if you’re just doing a play through for the story you can just max/max stats and be fine

Plenty of chanseys in Savannah esp if you add a normal sandwich. Or go up near the team star fairy base

[orchid bay]

I usually go fairy base, so was considering that but then remembered Chansey and Blissey are in the savannah biome with Farigiraf

I’ll just have to stay out of the way of Tauros and Doduo

[karmic temple]

I like fairy base better because chanseys are the only normal type that spawns

[orchid bay]

Yeah. Thinking about the number of normal mons in the Savannah biome, I might try normal sammich and see how that works for me. If it ends up being too much work dodging Tauros, Girafarig and Doduo, then I’ll go dairy base in future

And potentially Deerling

[orchid bay]

Yeah. Savannah biome not great for Chansey hunting with a sammich. Smeargle, Pyroar, Girafarig, Litleo, Happiny

Tauros, Doduo etc

[smoky hawk]

For speed EVs, go to the beach where you first found your legendary outside of that cave

All the pokemon there are water type and give speed

Don't even need a sammich

[karmic temple]

https://pokepast.es/a7984000dcd1b0f4

I really want suicune but it feels so underwhelming in the matches I’ve used it in

[craggy swan]

https://pokepast.es/a8092c085a5c1d10 Maybe my best team

[smoky hawk]

Have you tried using suicune as a tailwind user?

You could be running two modes with TR and TW

[karmic temple]

What would I swap lati with?

[smoky hawk]

Don't necessarily need to do that. Just make incin & rilla slow as possible

[tribal garnet]

Would 236 HP/4 Def/ 146 sp atk/ 116 sp def / 6 sp be good for Archaludon with AV?

[smoky hawk]

Check pins to see good spreads for the new pokemon

[nocturne holly]

https://pokepast.es/5bf0d4a191317ced thoughts on the last slot?

[tough idol]

Something Grass for FWG core maybe?

Rilla?

[nocturne holly]

i have waterpon tho

[smoky hawk]

You can do max hp max spdef AV to survive lando-I sheer force earth power if you are boosting in rain with electro shot

Or go for a lot more spatk and commit to grass tera if you encounter lando

[tough idol]

I was just thinking something with Grass/ground coverage tbh lol

[nocturne holly]

rilla would add to much overlap

[tough idol]

Hmm, can't think of any other for that idea. How about Raging Bolt, would that fit?

[fallen garden]

Bros I just lost a ladder game to 5 turns of freeze

Had i thawed on any of those turns I would have won, the matchup was so good for me

[tough idol]

Happens, seen ppl here get flinched 5+ turns and lose

[nocturne holly]

i need something that abuses tw

[fallen garden]

I guess i should have planned around a blizzard freeze in the rain

[tough idol]

I'd guess Fluttermane but that overlaps your Primarina a touch

[nocturne holly]

-calc 194*0.67

[gentle crag]

Result: 129.980000

[dapper crag]

Move: Salt Cure

Causes damage to the target equal to 1/8 of its maximum HP (1/4 if the target is Steel or Water type), rounded down, at the end of each turn during effect. This effect ends when the target is no longer active.

Type

Rock

Category

Physical

Power

40

Accuracy

100

PP (max)

15 (24)

Move Flags

​

Mirror

Copied by Mirror Move.

Contact

Does not make contact.

SableyeBot version 4.25.0

[tough idol]

Ooh, Salt Cure Smeargle lol 😆 😂 🤣

Was talking about Smeargle in another channel lol 😆

[silver ravine]

Thoughts? Opnions? Concerns? https://pokepast.es/c467b54e2ed90a54

I kinda like Whim as it can use trick room and tailwind. Just need to come up with a 6th. Maybe something on the faster side

[chrome knot]

prim set kinda bad, farig is a special attacker

whims needs a sash

[silver ravine]

What's wrong with the prim set? I mainly use farig for trick room and helping hand, but I do occasionally use hyper voice . Wouldn't covert be better since Whim is so fragile anyway?

[nocturne holly]

the whims set is fine'

prima set could be better

whims should have protect tho

[chrome knot]

prim usually runs dgleam mb hyper voice, you have random grass move when anything grass covers mainly is already covered by her set or archuladon, farig should have special moves… whims doesnt need protect lmfao and you use sash bc it is so fragile

[nocturne holly]

i dont see alot of the value in having both tr and tw on whims'= on this

[nocturne holly]

whims can run cloaklmao

if youre not running sash whims you should prob have protect on it imo

whims doesnt even seem necessary on this team tho

fari as the main spe control seems fine

youre also wasting evs on the archa set

[silver ravine]

Mainly so I can use either slow or fast mons depending what the other person has. I have farig as a backup mainly for armortail

[nocturne holly]

i dont think whims is needed on this
i ran a similar team with just fari spe control

Archaludon @ Assault Vest
Ability: Stamina
Tera Type: Grass
EVs: 252 HP / 4 Def / 220 SpA / 28 SpD / 4 Spe
Modest Nature

• Flash Cannon
• Draco Meteor
• Thunderbolt
• Body Press

thats a good archa set

[silver ravine]

Worth adding a tailwind user or just go full trick room?

[nocturne holly]

you dont need full tr

https://pokepast.es/49538f8c3611f81a this is an outdated version of the team i was using

but its the same idea

[silver ravine]

Why grass tera on so many of your mons?

[nocturne holly]

grass is great on incin, flips a lot of weaknesses into resistances

grass on rilla is to just max out glide damage with seed

and grass on archa so i can keep my urshifu resist

[silver ravine]

I zee I zee. Thank you for all your help. Last question. Why no hyper voice on your farig? Guessing because it's the only mon that has a fairy move on your team

[gentle crag]

striferealists has given 1 Gen Rep to .begulajr.

[nocturne holly]

fairy coverage is really good on fari

you also have fairy tera so it can pair well with that

[silver ravine]

You right

[silver ravine]

Ayyy I won my first match with it. Thanks again.

Don't think you'll get the rep, but thanks @chrome knot. You were right with your prim set

[gentle crag]

striferealists has given 1 Gen Rep to setsumizi

[dapper crag]

Pokémon No. 244: Entei

Type

Fire

Abilities

Pressure, Inner Focus (Hidden)

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

115/115/85/90/75/100

Total

580

SableyeBot version 4.25.0

Move: Sacred Fire

Has a 50% chance to burn the target.

Type

Fire

Category

Physical

Power

100

Accuracy

95

PP (max)

5 (8)

Move Flags

​

Mirror

Copied by Mirror Move.

Contact

Does not make contact.

Defrost

Thaws the user if frozen.

SableyeBot version 4.25.0

[cyan smelt]

i'm still really confused about stellar tera, why are flutter manes running it and should i run it

[tough idol]

If those Flutters are running 4 different tera moves it could work

[nocturne holly]

https://pokepast.es/0df3a9eaaca32552 what can i add

[cyan smelt]

the ones i've seen run moonblast, gleam and shadow ball

[tough idol]

Gleam, Shadow Ball, Icy Wind, Tbolt gets 4 boosts from Stellar

[tough idol]

That's a 2 boost

[cyan smelt]

i haven't seen any gholdengo recently really

[smoky hawk]

Specs stellar flutter kills lots of pokemon especially if you throw on power gem or icy wind for lando

[cyan smelt]

i might have to consider this because lando is annoying for my team

[tough idol]

Ooh Power Gem didn't think of that

[cyan smelt]

power gem for incin too

and torn

[tough idol]

Still brainstorming Jan team, have time to wait for Portland to finish too

[cyan smelt]

can smeargle learn tera starstorm?

[tough idol]

Hmm I do not know

[cyan smelt]

apparently it cannot

[tough idol]

Ah bugger, was gonna boot up lol

[dapper crag]

Should I hyper train all my stats on my kyogre

[tough idol]

Does Kyogre use Attack?

[dapper crag]

Yeah

[tough idol]

Never used it

[cyan smelt]

no kyogre is a special attacker

[tough idol]

Or is it a non special

If its Special don't Hyper Attack

[dapper crag]

Oh I thought he meant if it used an attacking move

Ok

[tough idol]

Won't make a massive difference but wasted resources

[dapper crag]

Kinda mad that I hypertained all my stats on my chi yu

Pokémon No. 547: Whimsicott

Types

Grass/Fairy

Abilities

Prankster, Infiltrator, Chlorophyll (Hidden)

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

60/67/85/77/75/116

Total

480

SableyeBot version 4.25.0

Pokémon No. 641: Tornadus

Type

Flying

Abilities

Prankster, Defiant (Hidden)

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

79/115/70/125/80/111

Total

580

Other Formes

Tornadus-Therian

SableyeBot version 4.25.0

What Evs should I give my Miraidon

Pokémon No. 1008: Miraidon

Types

Electric/Dragon

Abilities

Hadron Engine

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

100/85/100/135/115/135

Total

670

SableyeBot version 4.25.0

[astral gazelle]

Speed & spa

[elder bridge]

What is a Pokémon that beat urshifu rapid strike and booster speed flutter

[cyan smelt]

rillaboom

[molten oasis]

Rillaboom

[carmine knot]

Hey guys

[onyx charm]

https://vxtwitter.com/moxieboosted/status/1740840907312701646

[carmine knot]

I need some help I've been out of the competitive scene for a while and I'm looking for assistance with combos

[cyan smelt]

do you have any pokemon you'd like to build around?

[carmine knot]

I was thinking maushold and sinistcha

[cyan smelt]

not sure about maushold in the current format

clefairy and ogerpon are better follow me users

[carmine knot]

Oh ok that makes sense with orgepon

[cyan smelt]

not sure who people pair with ogerpon

and if you're looking to set up trick room, porygon2 is pretty good

[carmine knot]

Oh dude thanks for this I'm so far behind lol

[cyan smelt]

best to check out pikalytics or munchstats in a few days to see usage rates though

and of course incineroar is back so that's on a lot of teams

[smoky hawk]

How about ice tera for lando-I?

Ice resists ice but it also hits other lando-I

[slender sentinel]

So i have my skeledirge and he already has amazing special attack and hp, so wouldn’t it be more worth it to invest it’s stats into something like defense or speed? All of the websites i check say to invest in hp and sp def, but shouldn’t I put the EVs into a stat it needs work on to make my skeledirge more balanced?

[smoky hawk]

Only add bulk to survive certain attacks or if it is too slow to outspeed much anyway, then consider max hp

You'd be surprised how far an "amazing special attack" stat gets you. You'll want to bump it up

[kindred cypress]

Pretty much the swsh meta is coming here

[whole ibex]

This for singles right?

[fallen garden]

Is overqwill good at anything

[smoky hawk]

It's just outclassed as an intimidator

[golden tulip]

alolan muk minimize oranguru instructs, then alolan muk minimizes again and oranguru uses psych up

[smoky hawk]

Sounds like a good way to piss off your opponents

[cyan smelt]

kowtow cleave says hi

[golden tulip]

ummm

iron valient gets pysch up

sooo use it and kill kingambit

give the muk toxic and toxic stall

[fallen garden]

I just happen to have a rain team with an arcanine who isn't doing anything

[smoky hawk]

Now Arcanine would be more niche, like on a sand team, because incineroar is the premiere intimidate pokemon

[fallen garden]

Ah I'm talking about reg E cartridge ladder, I procrastinated on it a bit

[craggy swan]

whats the best trick room user?, also am I blind or does trick room have -5 prioty

[cyan smelt]

-7

[craggy swan]

jeez

[cyan smelt]

and i think farigiraf, indeedee, or porygon2

[viscid shoal]

Agree ^

[molten oasis]

Trick room setter?

[craggy swan]

Yes

[golden tulip]

hmm ceruledge also gets pysch up soo another steel counter ig??

[near smelt]

Probably a really dumb question but with Weavile getting back Knock and Triple Axel is their a niche that it can fill?

[summer shore]

In vgc no

In OU maybe

[molten oasis]

Farigiraf, Cress, Porygon 2, Indeedee/Hatterene/Armarouge are your best tr setter options

[molten oasis]

Weavile just isn’t good

[near smelt]

That's fair. You would just use Chien Pao

[molten oasis]

Exactly

[smoky hawk]

Chien pao doesn't get knock off

But thank goodness for that

[mighty stump]

Gets Fake Out

Thats it really

[nocturne holly]

-calc 0.9^3

[gentle crag]

Result: 0.729000

[nocturne holly]

72% chance to get the full 120 bp

[mighty stump]

https://x.com/joeux9/status/1740934159957385709?s=46&t=NSIK9f9OViHUJnm37QZcEQ

Truly a spread of all time

[cyan smelt]

nobody is using hydrapple, i am sad

[dapper crag]

Pokémon No. 1002: Chien-Pao

Types

Dark/Ice

Abilities

Sword of Ruin

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

80/120/80/90/65/135

Total

570

SableyeBot version 4.25.0

[craggy swan]

helping hand life orb raging bolt in the sun goes crazy

eletric tera too

[bold geode]

Had me in the first half ngl

[forest arrow]

lol ain’t no way

[tired sage]

i’m still trying

[forest arrow]

@molten oasis is using drapple

[tired sage]

no-
Drago gave up on hydrapple

[forest arrow]

He didn’t tho

[tired sage]

i swear he said he gave up on hydrapple

[dull ibex]

goated

[craggy swan]

he has the right mindset, switch every physical attacker to a special and a special to a phyiscal

[molten oasis]

Truly

[molten oasis]

Still going

I just needed to detach myself from the av idea

Np is my next test

[keen karma]

noooo the strat is leaked

fuck you tofu

we needed to gatekeep it

[real pewter]

Nuh uh

[knotty briar]

I've been trying to reach master ball tier with this team
Any ideas for improvements?

Covert cloak on Cresselia is to guarantee trick room in case of fake out

No protect on Kommo-o is so it can have slots to counter flutter mane and opposing ursaluna

[forest arrow]

Ursaluna wants Headlong Rush over EQ, Cress wants Helping hand/Ice Beam/Psychic over protect, Ogerpon Wants Spiky Shield over Protect, Superpower is an interesting choice. Not to sure on Vikavolt and kommo-o. Amoongus looks fine probably wanna give it more def evs tho

[knotty briar]

Vikavolt actually 2hkos +2 dondozo

But thanks for the tip

I tried headlong rush, but eq has honestly been more useful overall

I'll probably go Psyshock on Cresselia

[forest arrow]

Clear smog on amoongus is prob a better dozo counter gives you a free slot for a better mon, rillaboom makes EQ garbage

Psyshock works

[knotty briar]

Gotcha thanks for the help

[gentle crag]

bman54319 has given 1 Gen Rep to throwdatahh

[forest arrow]

No problemo my friend

[knotty briar]

Vikavolt in trick room counters so much

Base 145 sp attack is insane

[molten oasis]

[lusty mountain]

Hey should I go jolly or adamant for Feraligator?

[knotty briar]

Honestly, I'd run jolly with life orb and dragon dance

[lusty mountain]

I already running that just needed help with nature

[knotty briar]

Sheer force right?

[lusty mountain]

Yup

[knotty briar]

Awesome

Base 78 speed but base 105 attack
You want as much speed as possible

[keen karma]

You cant get suicune shiny

[slim pelican]

Pogo transfer

[keen karma]

Not in this game at least

[slim pelican]

Yea got a pogo one already thats why I put it in the list too

[keen karma]

Do you by chance have an entei

[slim pelican]

I have a go shiny one, why

[mighty stump]

Why Psyshock, run Psychic

[cyan smelt]

entei and pao is really good

[timber falcon]

I hate entei

Such an annoying thing

[cyan smelt]

yeah that extreme speed is very annoying

can't fake it out either

[knotty mirage]

But doesn't that mean you can just one shot it because no multiscale ?

Or at least makes them waste terra

[charred saddle]

most paonite combo also doesnt have multiscale in it

the dragonite in paonite usually brings inner focus to prevent fakeout, ghost tera on chienpao too for fakeout too, and if they dont want to waste tera, pao can also protect

i mean you can do it in CTS maybe, but its not helpful in OTS where people can see ur abilities

just the pressure of not being able to fake out on it is crazy

[knotty mirage]

I mean the only reason i get annoyed with paonite because dragonite cannot be one shot by surging strike but oh well i'm not playing the new reg yet so wth

[charred saddle]

well, pao is dragon so

it resisted water, and multiscale only blocks dmg by half only when its 100%, so it only mitigates the first hit of surging

252+ Atk Mystic Water Urshifu-Rapid-Strike Surging Strikes (3 hits) vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Dragonite on a critical hit: 126-150 (39 - 46.4%) -- approx. 3HKO

its not multiscale nite

[knotty mirage]

How about entei ?

[charred saddle]

252+ Atk Mystic Water Urshifu-Rapid-Strike Surging Strikes (3 hits) vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Tera Normal Dragonite on a critical hit: 252-300 (78 - 92.8%) -- approx. 2HKO

even if it teras normal

itll def die if it doesnt tera

[knotty mirage]

I just think it could be good if people switch from dragonite to entei because i will have easier time on ranked i think

[charred saddle]

252+ Atk Mystic Water Urshifu-Rapid-Strike Surging Strikes (3 hits) vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Tera Normal Entei on a critical hit: 282-336 (76 - 90.5%) -- approx. 2HKO

[knotty mirage]

But even then youre talking to a guy who addicted with using tailwind terra water surging strike so yeah

[charred saddle]

E speed is +2 prio so

doesnt matter about speed

idk if ursh will live a sucker + tera normal banded e speed

[knotty mirage]

I mean yeah but can e speed one shot shifu without terra

[charred saddle]

itll will always tera, to ensure knockout. if not thats a throw

different from dragonite, since it can tank 1 surging

[knotty mirage]

Oh well good thing upper hand exist then

[charred saddle]

well at least thats what i thougt, ill just calc the e speed dmg

252+ Atk Choice Band Tera Normal Sword of Ruin Entei Extreme Speed vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Urshifu-Rapid-Strike: 262-310 (76.8 - 90.9%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

with sucker i would guess its a roll

252+ Atk Sword of Ruin Chien-Pao Sucker Punch vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Urshifu-Rapid-Strike: 79-93 (23.1 - 27.2%) -- 66.5% chance to 4HKO

its a roll, but its very likely to die if they e speed sucker to ursh

if both low rolled, its 99.9

[cyan smelt]

Kingdra gets wave crash lol

[mighty stump]

Entei can be more difficult to deal with due to burn potential and being faster

Discounting it like that

[keen karma]

Dms

[keen karma]

https://pokepast.es/cac3d1df9d251eff
dyt this team needs something else

[sudden geyser]

why are people using tera dragon on incineroar?

[keen karma]

Resistances to fwg

Removes all of incins natural weaknesses

[sudden geyser]

Hmn fair enough, maybe i was just bothering too much about fake out/sleep

but shouldnt really matter

[keen karma]

Sleep is fine

Fake out i think you can just deal with by speed creeping

Rather than blowing a whole tera

I mean actually ghost tera shouldnt be that bad

[timber falcon]

What’s this

[keen karma]

Fire water grass

[jovial bolt]

Hiya guys

How does this work? Often i fake out a tornadus and it is still able to use a attacking move.

If it use tailwind its not able to use it..

[lofty tartan]

Covert Cloak is how it can use a move after being hit with Fake Out.

Fake Out doesn't make a distinction between attacking move and status move. It flinches regardless, if the pokemon can be flinched.

Closed Team Sheets on ladder, you won't be seeing your opponents' item so some Tornadus can be flinched while others cannot.

[jovial bolt]

Ahh cool thats the reason thank you!

[gentle crag]

jeroverwer has given 1 Gen Rep to dazedmika

[jovial bolt]

Fakeout is a prio move right?

[mighty stump]

Personally id try Stellar Tera on Urshifu just in case you need boosted CCs

[lofty tartan]

Yes. It has +3 priority

[timber falcon]

https://pokepast.es/df0c937172aed5d7 any thoughts?

[polar canyon]

Protean still activates with stellar tera right?

[nocturne holly]

You’re wasting evs on lando
That’s a shit ton of atk on incin

[timber falcon]

wasted? he seems to get the job done though, obliterate things

[polar canyon]

Like you can get one more point in one stat

[nocturne holly]

Also I don’t think AV metagross is that good tbh
I tried it and the damage output is underwhelming
Band might work better

[polar canyon]

Put 4 evs on spdef

Tbh it barely even matters

But any stat boost is a stat boost

[nocturne holly]

yea

[timber falcon]

i dont like the idea of metagross being stuck on 1 move. and the vest allows me to use evs elsewhere, also in what universe is 205 set attack underwhelming

[polar canyon]

Unless there's something specific that you know you need attack investment for on incineroar, you're better off going all in defensive

[timber falcon]

ok

there were some calculations i was shown on the incin which is why its like that, ill try find it

[next stump]

it's usually mathematically correcto invest in HP before your defensive stats except in extreme cases, so I'd switch at least half of Metagross' defensive investment into HP

[mighty stump]

It matters for some things

Like 4 in Chien-Pao

[timber falcon]

ok

[polar canyon]

I didn't even see the metagross evs

[timber falcon]

is metagrosses base 130 defence enough for me to use all its defence evs into hp?

[next stump]

probably, yeah

[polar canyon]

Evs are addition rather than multiplication

[timber falcon]

ok changed that

[polar canyon]

So for defenses you're better off with hp

Especially into a mon like metagross

[nocturne holly]

it is underwhelming when I used it

Try it, I prefer band

[timber falcon]

ok ill try band, but swap back if it doesnt work fo rmr

[mighty stump]

if you need a band set theres one in pins

[timber falcon]

where are these pins ppl talk about? i can never seem to find them

[mighty stump]

If youre on mobile, swipe towards the left

[polar canyon]

Not anymore

Mobile updated

[timber falcon]

im on laptop

[mighty stump]

Top right, pin symbol

[polar canyon]

Tap the name of the chat above if you were to be on mobile

[timber falcon]

oh ok thanks

[nocturne holly]

I hate the new mobile update

getting pins is so annoying

[polar canyon]

It's whatever

It just changed from swipe left to tap the name of the chat

[nocturne holly]

the reply feature is pretty useful tho

[timber falcon]

Yeah I think I made a mistake on that Incin lmao

No idea why I invested into its attack that much

[nocturne holly]

fr

[polar canyon]

There's probably reasons

But if you don't know a reason then don't do it

[timber falcon]

Btw

For miracle seed Rilla should I gras Tera?

I think a defensive Tera is better though cause Incin been giving me trouble

[polar canyon]

Fire is cool

[mighty stump]

Depends. Defensive Tera cause you have offensive boost for more staying power but Offensive Tera lets you pick up great neutral KOs

[polar canyon]

If you're gonna do grass might as well do stellar

[mighty stump]

So depends on how you play

ehh

[polar canyon]

Boosted tantrum

[mighty stump]

High Horsepower is preferred, but thats mainly for Heatran

Which you KO anyways

[polar canyon]

Yeah I meant horsepower

[timber falcon]

I’ll just use lando for heatran tbh

[mighty stump]

Plus sometimes you want Hammer/Glide

[timber falcon]

Yeah I’m currently doing high horse , glide , hammer , fake out

[mighty stump]

Yeah so you want Grass Tera over Stellar since Terrain + Seed + Tera adds up rather than one off Stellar

[timber falcon]

Ok ima stick with grass Tera then

[mighty stump]

Since you never really plan on clicking HH into a neutral

[timber falcon]

I think latias as back up is a good choice

Could also set up clutch tailwinds, btw, for fluttermains evs should I invest a lil more in speed?

Got outsped by terrakion and almost lost due to that, it don’t even have 180 speed

[mighty stump]

it's pretty variable since some Flutters run extra bulk to live hits and KO back and some run speedy

Depends on what you're comfortable with as well

I personally went max speed modest

[smoky hawk]

Tera fairy flutter manes will want to outspeed lando-I

If you go with modest 196spe, it outspeeds everything through tornadus

[summer shore]

@mighty stump bruh the latis are scary asl now

almost lost a game that shouldve been easy otherwise

cm agility latias

[mighty stump]

Yeah the signature move buffs are kiunda fire

BP increases are so significant

[smoky hawk]

I gotta do gold quests to get latias...

Is non-prankster tailwind fine rn? I can imagine that there is a big drawback

[mighty stump]

Yeah its fine for non-HO teams

Latias is a balance piece

[smoky hawk]

Like their mid speed pokemon can outspeed yours

Because your TW comes out so late

[mighty stump]

yeah that's fine

[smoky hawk]

Bulky offense or HO

[mighty stump]

Balance

[smoky hawk]

I think teams are usually HO now

[mighty stump]

Like old Roaring Moon Balance is now replaced with Latias

I mean new metas always run HO to start cause it takes advantage of the chaos but the settling point is usually bulk

Latias Balance is FWG Dragon + Flutter Mane/Kingambit

[smoky hawk]

I'll go for bulk... yeah

More consistent, and I like consistency

Even if games don't end in 3 turns

Latias also walls urshifu rapid strike which is nice

[mighty stump]

With Tera it also walls Lando-I

[polar canyon]

Hey tofu

Do you know if protean still activates if you tera stellar

[mighty stump]

I don't see why it wouldnt

[polar canyon]

I just didn't test it yet

I think I wanna do stellar meowscarada

[mighty stump]

If id guess its just STAB on everything

[polar canyon]

Scarf

[mighty stump]

it hits 192..I don't think you need Scarf tbh

Sash or Band could be pretty good

With Stellar it might be somewhat alright again

Although

[polar canyon]

It has triple axel now too

[mighty stump]

Im now thinking back

Since Stellar overwrites

I think you just retain your original typing always

[smoky hawk]

I tried stellar enamorus. It was alright

With tera blast and contrary

[mighty stump]

Its death of relevancy made me forget hwo Libero/Protean interacted with Tera

You'd have to "change your type" before you Tera

[polar canyon]

Yeah

But tera stellar doesn't really change your type so that's why I'm wondering

I'll test it later

[mighty stump]

I thnk its a forced retained original typing

[keen karma]

i wanna try it on booster flutter

but i still dont completely understand how it workws

aside from like boosting every move once

[mighty stump]

you just get STAB on everything once

your original typing is the same, thats all

[keen karma]

so like if you switch does it reset

[mighty stump]

No

[keen karma]

i mean thats fine

i just have to be critical with what moves i use

it would probably be good on a av mon

[mighty stump]

its good on strong offensive mons

Chien-Pao/Flutter Mane/Archaludon if you're running my wack set

Armarouge, as long as you have the initiative, Stellar Tera can provide strong pressure

Things with favourable base typings also enjoy Stellar Tera

[keen karma]

what abt entei

[mighty stump]

if its AV I don't see why not, I'd just be concerned about Urshifu-RS

[keen karma]

also mdb is runing stellar scarf shifu

[timber falcon]

I’ll do that too

[mighty stump]

yeah cause boosted CCs hurt and punish switch ins.

[summer shore]

@mighty stump had to play vs protect stall

day ruined

[mighty stump]

Just run Iron Boulder ez p

[summer shore]

i do

[mighty stump]

then howd you suffer into Protect Stall

[keen karma]

i wish flutter got heat wave

that would be a deserved buff for it

[summer shore]

i forgor it broke protect

but also i had to play around ditto

[mighty stump]

what do you MEAN

oh

[summer shore]

they had scarf ditto i cant just play reckless

[mighty stump]

yes u can

[summer shore]

no thats how i lose

[mighty stump]

just dont set up 5head

if u crit its better

[keen karma]

playing in a bo3 tour

cant wait to get shit on

[silk stream]

Does anyone still make use of Paldean Tauros, or is it completely out classed by Arcanine, landorus, and incin

[slim pelican]

any competitive helpers I can dm for team building?

[normal kite]

hey yall, ive stopped playing pokemon in may and i have no idea about the current metagame or ruleset, can someone help me catch up by giving me a TLDR or providing links where i can catch up and stay upto date?

[smoky hawk]

Is this for VGC? We have quite a few pins you should check out

[normal kite]

in this channel?

[smoky hawk]

Yes, pins here

[lusty mountain]

Did some team changes anyone wanna see and help me with suggestions

[keen karma]

https://pokepast.es/b09bfddd88ccc63c this team is scary

[atomic mural]

https://pokepast.es/e3bb3981f50a15a2 i feel like chi-yu would work very well

[bold geode]

It's sun plus you have spatkers
Wouldn't hurt to give a go

[atomic mural]

i just dont know who to get rid of

[smoky hawk]

I'm just not sure what the clefairy is doing for that team

I'd replace it for chien-pao

[dull ibex]

hello!

[bold geode]

Either Wake or Bolt imo
Double Dragon when not being able to resist Mane rn imo is not that great

[timber falcon]

Tryna catch shiny beldum for my team, why is this thing impossible to get in ball

Surely u can raise chances

[bold geode]

One of the lowest catch rates of any Pokemon

[timber falcon]

Yeah I heard it’s same as mewtwo

Is sleep + falsewipe all I can do?

[timber falcon]

Yes it’s scary

[smoky hawk]

Kubfu has a crazy low catch rate at lvl 30

Been tossing moon balls at it all night

It isn't working

[kindred cypress]

Me, who caught mine in a critical catch with a sport ball

[bold geode]

Basically

[smoky hawk]

I also tortured myself throwing beast balls at suicune for over an hr

Time I'll never get back

[smoky hawk]

Good job

[knotty mirage]

Is the best EV spread for smeargle just max out the HP and speed ?

[bold geode]

Probably
Never tried Smeargle cuz it's ass

[timber falcon]

🥊

Dont disrespect my boi

[supple ether]

Is there an EV spread resource? I.e. one where you can see how many EVs you need to live certain attacks?

Or outspeed various pokemon

[smoky hawk]

Damage calculator

https://nerd-of-now.github.io/NCP-VGC-Damage-Calculator/

[supple ether]

Is this not a standard damage calculator? I.e. does it have some function other calculators dont? (Aside from looking nice )

Im looking for like a list of common moves /pokemon/damage ranges and whether or not your mon will live em (if that makes sense)

[smoky hawk]

Try searching for a pokemon and it'll usually show common movesets and EV spreads. It is not up to date for reg F

[supple ether]

would that be a helpful resource you think? Something like this:
Where you have physical attackers damage ranges up top, spattackers bottom and you can see how your pokemon fares

Sliders etc to make it inreractable ofc

[smoky hawk]

That's what a damage calc is for

You have to know what ranges you want to see

[bold geode]

If you look up certain mons,they have some common sets
Also you can look on Pikalytics or MunchStats to see common spreads and plug em in

[supple ether]

Right, but this would be a way to swe multiple damage calcs at once. Prepopulated with common threats, but you have the option to add specific pokemon or movesets.

[bold geode]

Also if you're calcing for bulk, keep in mind that if you want a specific thing (live a special hit for example), investing in the respective defensive stat does more than HP

What you said there's not
It just comes with knowledge lol

[supple ether]

Plus then you could visually demonstrate what a paeticular EV spread does

[bold geode]

Basically just ask yourself "what do I wanna live" or "what can I live" and note the info down
Basically what people do

[supple ether]

well at least I know it doesnt exist yet... Maybe I'll make a prototype, because yeah I feel like that process could be automated

[smoky hawk]

You can save calc sets

[supple ether]

Oh?

[bold geode]

Or even in Showdown just copy and paste your sets

[supple ether]

We'll see

[dull haven]

[bold geode]

Hello madam

[forest marsh]

Can someone help me with a PvP gliscor and ursaluna build plz

[bold geode]

Format?

[dull haven]

Hihi

[forest marsh]

I’ll dm you

[summer shore]

@mighty stump @bold geode deoxys s is pretty cool

[bold geode]

Hisro

[summer shore]

Hi khuja

[summer shore]

Onmke

[bold geode]

What does Deoxys S do?

[summer shore]

Hazard set lead is a bait

Its a great cleaner

[bold geode]

Oh

I actually don't know the difference between the forms so

[deep sparrow]

what is that excel spreadsheet to keep up with showdown matches?

[bold geode]

PASRS
Idt it's been updated yet for Reg F

[viscid shoal]

I might take some influence from this, pretty nice

I'm a whimsicott enjoyer and prankster taunt will be broken this format

[forest marsh]

Anyone know a good pkm for singles

[viscid shoal]

Corny if you make a rental lmk I wanna run practice

[atomic mural]

like an in game rental code?

[bold geode]

Keep in mind that the competitive helpers aren't allowing Reg F rentals until the format is officially out

[atomic mural]

ik

im not putting it in that chat

[bold geode]

Alright
Just saw that mentioned, wanted to make sure y'all knew

[viscid shoal]

Even if it's after format starts I don't mind, it's gonna be months long anyway

[smoky hawk]

As will mental herb

Be wary of that especially playing closed team sheets

[viscid shoal]

True, it'll be fun to play around prankster taunt and fake out

[smoky hawk]

What to run for latias as my tailwinder? There are some options because I need to account for fake out and prankster taunt

Covert cloak and dark tera? Protect and mental herb? Mental herb and ghost tera?

[viscid shoal]

I can't say, I haven't studied it at all

Some of the guys above had some good sets

[nocturne holly]

It’s hella flexible

get your team filled out then you can choose what to run

Latias @ Sitrus Berry / Safety Goggles / Rocky Helmet
Ability: Levitate
Tera Type: Poison / Electric
EVs: 252 HP / 4 Def / 12 SpA / 76 SpD / 164 Spe
Calm Nature

• Mist Ball
• Tailwind
• Ice Beam / Draco Meteor / Icy Wind
• Protect / Recover / Heal Pulse / Helping Hand / Sunny Day / Rain Dance

Alternatively you can put all the def and sp atk evs into spe to outspeed modest lando i i think, might be timid
but if you do that you should have icy wind or ice beam

https://twitter.com/vgccorner/status/1739750121623974036

[nocturne holly]

not urshifu looking like a bird 😭

[bold geode]

They actually put Urshifu over Marty

[kind ember]

Is amoongus still good?

[bold geode]

But it do look like a fucking bird

[bold geode]

Do bears shit in the woods?

There's your answer

[kind ember]

I think so

[bold geode]

Lmao
Sorry that threw me off

"I mean those Charmin bears use the toilet all the time idfk"

But yes
Amoongus still good

[kind ember]

Can someone rate my competitive team?

[bold geode]

Sure

[kind ember]

Disclaimer: I just beat the main story so it’s terrible

Meowscarada
Amoongus
Flutter mane
Mau should
Annihilape
Amourouge

Maushold*

[keen karma]

i got shit on during the tourney

[bold geode]

The team rn is all over the place, no true cohesion
Flutter Mane and Amoongus are good
Armarouge by itself is eh
Annihilape is actually good rn
Maushold is alright, I like Whimsicott rn
And Meowscarada ain't it

[kind ember]

What should I replace amourouge, maushold, and meowscarada with?

[bold geode]

Do you have any DLC access or access to other mons brought from Home?

[kind ember]

I have dlc for scarlet

Also Pokémon shield but no dlc

[bold geode]

Ah
Well I'd suggest some easy ones can be Urshifu Rapid, Incineroar, Tornadus or Heatran if you can trade, Landorus also works but same deal
If you have Indeedee, you can actually try to trade for an Iron Crown too

[kind ember]

I forgot I had a level 100 iron crown in my box that someone gave me💀

[bold geode]

Well there
Grab an Indeedee
Can have a fast Psyspam mode

Those two plus Ape have some decent synergy

[kind ember]

Does indeedee have to have its hidden ability?

[bold geode]

Yes
But now with the gambling system, idt patches will be too hard to obtain

[kind ember]

Would
Iron crown
Amoongus
Flutter mane
Maushold
Annihilate
Indeedee
Be good?

[gentle creek]

I'm looking at getting into competitive pokemon and would like some help

[placid thorn]

Watch the top dogs play on youtube, cybertron james baek wolfey etc

Neil vgc is good as well

[timber falcon]

https://play.pokemonshowdown.com/battle-gen9vgc2024regf-2023436186 hitmon(on)top and latias carry 💪

[smoky hawk]

I'm thinking to use latias for TW and also sunny day but sun is not mandatory to make the team work

[dapper crag]

Move: Alluring Voice

Has a 100% chance to confuse the target if it had a stat stage raised this turn.

Type

Fairy

Category

Special

Power

80

Accuracy

100

PP (max)

10 (16)

Move Flags

​

Mirror

Copied by Mirror Move.

Authentic

Bypasses substitute.

Contact

Does not make contact.

Sound

Does not affect Soundproof.

SableyeBot version 4.25.0

[void sluice]

I'm trying to catch a regidrago rn. Any particular ivs i should hunt for? Like 0 speed iv?

[keen karma]

no

[charred saddle]

prob 0 atk? but its not like foul play is a thing as of now, or like be clicking foulplay to drago

[void sluice]

It's not viable in trick room? I thought 80 base speed is better in trick room than tailwind?

[molten oasis]

If anything 0 attack

It’s very okay in tr but it’s mostly a tw Mon

[onyx crown]

Alright, how's my Emboar rn.
Adamant Nature, 250 Atk, 250 Speed, no item yet, Reckless Nature, with Wild Charge, Head Smash, Flare Blitz, and Drain Punch for recovery

I'm still working on it, but that's what I got rn

I'm thinking of Assault Vesting it

[charred saddle]

idk, i just think most tr abusers are relatively slower than that, so i wouldnt see it being useful in TR, maybe against some mons, but idk

[atomic mural]

you just sent an empty room on showdown

[jovial storm]

I need a good team that can use Incineroar well.

Anyone have any good starting points?

[chrome knot]

reg e + incin

[tidal blade]

start with a FWG core probably

most popular one rn is urshifu, rillaboom, incin

but tbf incin can fit on literally any team

[nocturne holly]

incin is one of the most splashable mons

incin is that guy

anyways I’m starting the fuck over

latias, incin, primarina
what can I add

don’t have a paste on me rn

[knotty briar]

This team has brought me to ultra ball tier
People do NOT respect vikavolt in trick room

The only possible improvement that I can think of is maybe vikavolt's tera type

Any ideas?

[strange fjord]

how often does the occa berry come into play?

[dull ibex]

singles or doubles

[molten oasis]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2024regf-2023566328 FICKLE BEAM SWEEP

[nocturne holly]

1/25 chance of getting that fickle beam power up thing

W

[dapper crag]

[Latest Gen] Venusaur

Spore:

• Venusaur does not learn Spore in Generation 9

SableyeBot version 4.25.0

[nocturne holly]

https://pokepast.es/4628934c8d0eb506 what can i add? I could add a steel type for dsf core, grass for fwg core, or fighting for dfp core
I also need some tw abusers

[knotty briar]

Really just so it can live chi-yu or Heatran heat wave

Or non tera ogerpon ivy cudgel

[strange fjord]

but how often is it used? like 1/3 battles? 1/10?

[karmic cedar]

If. I use knock off on a pokemon holding lets say Colbur Berry. Or some other berry/ item that reduces special effective item, would it be consumed first or get knocked off before hand

[knotty briar]

Most actually
Vikavolt in trick room destroys Tornadus, Urshifu, rillaboom, and non fire ogerpon

Levitate pairs well with earthquake too

People don't respect vikavolt enough

I'd say at least half the battles, I bring it

Oh I just got what you meant, occa berry has been used once since I started bringing it

[kind ember]

Doubles

[nocturne holly]

Meowscarada isn’t the best rn
I think this team wants some speed control like torn
Like monke said Armarouge by itself isn’t it

[little bolt]

Does anyone know if ranked in sv was bugged? The trainer I was playing vs had metagross and archaludon , tried to put them on my team after and couldnt get to play with them. Thats so weird.

[next stump]

Are you sure you were playing ranked and not casual

[broken grove]

Been playing pvp for the first time since 3 days and finally made it to rank 10 singles 😭 im so happy

Also what does SV stand for? I see OU SV all the time as well not sure what it means

[kindred cypress]

Scarlet and Violet

[broken grove]

Ohh.. Yea forgot about that thanks lol!

[placid thorn]

Rillaboom could be a potential candidate

[slim pelican]

https://pokepast.es/b800af8d8cf9aa4e is this good

[broken grove]

Can you drop from Master rank back to ultra?

[placid thorn]

You have no speed control

I'd rather go for porygon 2

[slim pelican]

but this team was suggested to me by someone because porygon z is a good sp atker (?) but yeah i welcome all inputs as competitive is not my field

also this team is only for indigo disk pve

[next stump]

no

[placid thorn]

Everything works for pve

[broken grove]

What to do when a faster Pokemon boosts along side you, we both keep using Calm Mind xD Is this smart?

[placid thorn]

So you're fine bud

[slim pelican]

yeah i'd figured that out but I also want like, not a braindead team you know xD

like a cool team with synergy would be fun to use

but prob is i have 0 comp knowledge

[placid thorn]

I don't see anything wrong with it for story run

[kindred cypress]

Try #indigo_disk-ussion @slim pelican

[slim pelican]

welp i mean this is a channel for battling right

[slim pelican]

so the only thing to change is pory z ? in your opinion

[kindred cypress]

Competitive battling

It says in the name

[placid thorn]

Nah i thought it was for competitive

In that case you would have to change a lot but for pve is all right

[slim pelican]

why not 2 birds in 1 stone? i could ask for a good team for both story and competitive.. even though im not aiming for the latter

[slim pelican]

i'd like to hear more if okay

[kindred cypress]

Well, if you say competitive you’re gonna get a lot more criticism

[slim pelican]

that's fine i'm a complete noob so people can say whatever they want

[knotty briar]

This is the team that brought me to master ball rank

[kindred cypress]

Vikavolt usage, instant W

Why occa though?

[knotty briar]

Vikavolt in trick room is scary

Survive Heatran and chi-yu heat wave with occa berry

[nocturne holly]

Yeah realized I didn’t have AV on the team yet

[knotty briar]

Honestly couldn't really think of a better item

[placid thorn]

Well the ogerpon set is bad,pelipper and torn are better rain setters and provide speed control so would porygon 2 for trick room

[slim pelican]

i forgot to mention... im trying to build a full blue shiny team so if possible the mon has to be from my list of shinies apologies

[placid thorn]

It looks like you're aiming towards a tr team in case you'd actually ever want to learn about vgc

[kindred cypress]

You ask for comp help, then say that?

[knotty briar]

Vikavolt in trick room destroys Tornadus, Rillaboom, most Ogerpon, and any tera grass

[placid thorn]

In such case im not the best since i never play trick room

I know how they function and i could build one but not my field of expertise

[slim pelican]

could i send my list to you

[placid thorn]

Oh well

😅

[kindred cypress]

Could you please talk about this somewhere else

[placid thorn]

But do you actually wanna learn? It sounds to me like you just wanna play pve

In such case this ain't the place

[slim pelican]

that's why i said to send it to them lol

[placid thorn]

Yea rilla would fit pretty well

[kindred cypress]

The casual channel #indigo_disk-ussion

[slim pelican]

i'm trying to find out if i could build a good team with my favorites, are your dms open?

[nocturne holly]

Any other thoughts?

[placid thorn]

I don't play casually so im not sure

I just play vgc and i couldn't care less about the other aspects of the game to be honest with you

[placid thorn]

Is it trick room what you wanna play with?

It's unfortunately the only archetype i don't play so i wouldn't really wanna give you an suggestion

Hopefully i won't see much in liverpool😆

[nocturne holly]

no I’m trying latias balance

[nocturne holly]

Good luck

[placid thorn]

Kingambit

[broken grove]

Whats a good counter to Flutter Mane? I use:

Hatterena (1KO)
Kingabit sucker punch 1KO him (but can I switch in and not die?)
Volcorona

[nocturne holly]

SD? I’ve tried both AV and SD on this and idk it just didn’t click

It’s prob just piloting errors

[placid thorn]

If you position well and managed to get a swords dance you're all set

But you also got inci so im not sure if you wanna have 4 mons weak to landorus incarnate

Rilla inci kingambit and ogerpon

You might wanna drop primarina for scarf urshi

[nocturne holly]

I’ll try it
Thx

[gentle crag]

.begulajr. has given 1 Gen Rep to kekojardines

[placid thorn]

I've faced a few latias balance teams on bo3 ladders

[broken grove]

Why does sucker punch sometimes fail on the second time, even tho enemy is doing a dmg move? (Same move as first time most often)

[placid thorn]

If i remeber rightly most of them were like latias water ogerpon kingambit flutter amoongus/rillaboom and something else

[slim pelican]

https://pokepast.es/eb3b8da85b5d0268 thoughts? this one is for comp but not my build

[placid thorn]

But i can't remember the exact 6 off the top of my head

[placid thorn]

If you wanna play vgc pick a rental bro

[slim pelican]

what's rental? like borrowing team

[kindred cypress]

Yea

In rental teams

[placid thorn]

Yes, you really wanna learn how to play well with well built teams

Once you're good enough you can start building your own teams

[slim pelican]

is there a list i could see

[kindred cypress]

Go to #rental_teams

[placid thorn]

Go to rentals

[kindred cypress]

find one that looks intresting

Copy it and try it out

[placid thorn]

These guys have built good teams

[molten oasis]

https://pokepast.es/2a00868b9de6d548 thoughts on a 6th? It was dengo but it didn’t feel very good on this twam

[placid thorn]

Trust me bro if you bring yanmega to ladder you're gonna get creamed

[molten oasis]

As hydra does it’s job

[slim pelican]

are there rental teams for doubles

[kindred cypress]

I’d do an av user or ogrepon

[placid thorn]

Speed control

[molten oasis]

You will get smoked with that team lol

[kindred cypress]

They’re only doubles

[slim pelican]

okay thanks

[molten oasis]

Like, if you want to try to get yanmega to work, go ahead, but it’s pretty ass lol

Umbreon is okay, pory z is good, ape is good

[broken grove]

Lol my Hatterena wiped an entire team on its own in singles 3v3

[molten oasis]

You can add whimsicott with beat up to boost annihilape stage fist

Av user or ogerpon or speed control

[slim pelican]

can i dm you about this?

[molten oasis]

Yes

[slim pelican]

to not clutter

[molten oasis]

My speed control atm is only twave and icy wind

Tw would be nice but Yk, I avoid torn soooo

[kindred cypress]

Good man

[molten oasis]

Id do Latias but

3 fsiry weaknesses is shit

[cyan smelt]

why not whims

[nocturne holly]

Imo swap thundy for spe control and add some more offensive pressure, heatran would work

then you’re weak to ground

If you swapped thundy for torn it would be great

[broken grove]

Best counter for Ogerpon? Been such a pain in the ass lately

[kind ember]

Is ting lu better with a naughty or impish nature?

[knotty briar]

I've been using tera grass trick room ursaluna

[kind ember]

Naughty= +attack - special attack and impish= +defence -special attack

[knotty briar]

I'd say adamant (+attack -sp attack)

Naughty is +attack -defense

[kind ember]

It says it’s sp defence may suffer on the naughty mint

[knotty briar]

Assault vest Ting-lu is probably the way to go

[kind ember]

Nvm I’m dumb

[knotty briar]

Oh yeah lonely is -defense

[kind ember]

I thought it said attack💀

Is amoongus a good support Pokémon with it?

[knotty briar]

Amoongus is a great support mon in general

I used one in a trick room team that brought me to master ball tier

[placid thorn]

Why is that?

[kind ember]

I tried using it but it just dies on the first turn after they double attack it

[knotty briar]

here's the set on mine

[kind ember]

Oh, mines had more special defence and a +defence nature

[knotty briar]

You want it to be able to take physical hits too

Took some fine tuning for the evs

[kind ember]

I was about to train it in defence with my ting lu

[knotty briar]

This amoongus heavily punishes urshifu

Rapid strike urshifu

[kind ember]

What Pokémon give defence ev’s?

[jovial storm]

Geodude and Golem come to mind.

Not sure if that applies to Alolan variants though.

[broken grove]

Lol someone didn't PP max his Sucker Punch Kingambit, we were both on our last Pokemons so I Quiver Danced with Volcorona till his 5 PP Sucker Punched were zero, then finished m off, the mind games? Risky but calculated 😭

[drowsy radish]

Hey guys. I started double battling for the first time today and am running this. I know it’s kind of terrible but being new to this would love tips wherever. Wouldn’t mind adding 1 legendary too considering how annoying some players are bringing in 6.

I usually start with incineroar and skarmory, set up spikes and tailwind into ttar

[molten oasis]

Torn is the second most boring thing to use on the planet

And I’m not a hard meta slave

[molten oasis]

Mm yes double fire good idea

Heatran doesn’t work

And ik avoiding torn

[smoky hawk]

Not bad but you'd do well to learn the common pokemon in VGC and why they are used. I'll give you a link that'll share some very new team builds

https://victoryroadvgc.com/sv-rental-teams/

[placid thorn]

Gotta love torn brother

[molten oasis]

Quite the opposite for me

[placid thorn]

You could try

[molten oasis]

Good luck getting me to like torn

[placid thorn]

Electric terrain on thundurus plus raging bolt

I've faced a couple on bo3 ladder

Not too bad

[molten oasis]

That’s a thing?

well, I wouldn’t do that here I have a dragon already

[placid thorn]

True

You got hyddrapple

Totally forgot mate

[molten oasis]

I only do double dragon if I don’t have another fairy weakness, which atm I do

Being shifu

[smoky hawk]

Double dragon was a good retro game series

[molten oasis]

That’s a game?

[smoky hawk]

Yeah a beat-em-up style game

2 martial artist brothers are called the Dragons and go around beating up bad guys to save their friends

Anyway, I grew up on the old consoles. In my 30s now

[nocturne holly]

overlap doesn’t always ruin a team bruh

[molten oasis]

Mmm

[molten oasis]

Heatran and incin share the same weaknesses

Heatran does not work here

Like yea heatran doesn’t overlap with the teams overall weaknesses but I also don’t see how heatran does anything better than dengo does

[fleet quarry]

wait Iron Hands can't learn Upper Hand??

[quartz monolith]

Hey, I'm looking to build some sort of Sun Grass team, and was looking to see if meganium got any buffs, and saw that it was in OU??? So I'd like to kind of ask about that

[molten oasis]

Pretty sure meganium just sucks in everything

[quartz monolith]

Uhh, nuh-uh

[cyan smelt]

all the starters were just released and are all in a high tier

[molten oasis]

Everything that just got released in the dlc will be in ou

It is ass

Don’t use it

[quartz monolith]

Geez, alright

One day my boy will see play...

[fleet quarry]

Is Kingdra still decent in rain teams? I used to run it in gen 8 but I think it was kinda niche

Also what nature and spread should I have in Primarina with Rain Dance Tornadus? I'm thinking something other than Quiet because of Tailwind

[cyan smelt]

Go modest then

[fleet quarry]

[cyan smelt]

throat spray too but idk about evs

[silver ravine]

Dumb question, but do items with single use such as throat spray and berries get used up in competitve battles like in the base game or will they still be equipped after the battle?

[cyan smelt]

still equipped

also in the base game i think they're no longer used up

[silver ravine]

Poggers. Thank you.

[gentle crag]

striferealists has given 1 Gen Rep to kal0sunleashed

[fleet quarry]

Berries are still consumed against npcs

idk about other consumables like sash

[cyan smelt]

stuff like sash and booster isn't consumed i think

[kind ember]

What’s the best treasure of ruins Pokémon in doubles right now?

[unkempt flax]

What’s base 190 speed Pokémon?

I can’t remember off the top of my head

[fleet quarry]

Deoxys-Speed maybe?

I think Regieleki has 200

[fleet quarry]

Chien-Pao imo

[cinder anchor]

https://pokepast.es/fa702da0c9d0d185 anybody has a suggestion for a final mon or optimisations?

[kind ember]

What about its x4 weakness to fighting

[charred saddle]

i think you want more Sp def investment more on to archaludon

[dapper crag]

Pokémon No. 1018: Archaludon

Types

Steel/Dragon

Abilities

Stamina, Sturdy, Stalwart (Hidden)

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

90/105/130/125/65/85

Total

600

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[charred saddle]

65 sp def, AV wont help

if you are going to be hsing AV, do more to Sp Def, i think its quite a similar case to IH

[dapper crag]

Pokémon No. 992: Iron Hands

Types

Fighting/Electric

Abilities

Quark Drive

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

154/140/108/50/68/50

Total

570

SableyeBot version 4.25.0

[charred saddle]

covert cloak and ghost tera does the same job, which is to avoid flinch from fakeouts,

so if you are going for covert, do other tera, like dark, to prevent taunt. (which i dont recommend since usually whimsicott is the fastest prankster)

i think people usually run sash + ghost tera

id assume its beatup weakarmour WP? then drop protect(?)

iirc endure and protect falls to the same category, so you cant wndure and protect the next turn

[cinder anchor]

ya the archuladon evs is just temp idk what to put for him

[cinder anchor]

theres some dumb cases where i just do u turn on tera grass and just click expanding force

[charred saddle]

ye thats a possibility too ig, the weirdest tech ive seen with Weak armour armarouge is

endure to surgingstrikes, it fucking balled me

+6 speed +2 sp atk, then it just manually switch to indeedee. not even TW can save me

[cyan smelt]

man i gotta watch out for that

[charred saddle]

it was when i testing teams, no rilla, no dark types but ye

[cinder anchor]

isnt the idea for endure on arma so u can do that with beatup?

[charred saddle]

its dumb

ye, it was when before reg f

no fast beatup user i think last time

and like seeing ursh makes me think like itll surging to my mon, not theirs

[cinder anchor]

tbh if its not viable i might try aura sphere

in that slot over endure

[cinder anchor]

wb last mon i was considerint incineroar

just for flexibility

[pearl cliff]

Hi, im new to vgc, im a little nervous, anyone have any teambuilding tips /advice going into reg F?

[cyan smelt]

check pikalytics, munchstats, pokestats in the new year for usage rates to see what's meta

[pearl cliff]

Is there a way to see tera types on pikalytics?

[cyan smelt]

not that i know of

also check pins for tofu's blog post about new reg f mons

[drowsy radish]

Wondering if there’s a link code for double battles I can use where people don’t just spam legendaries