competitive_discussion

[timber falcon]

Yeah incin could shut those 2 down

[nocturne holly]

windows os is so fucking expensive

[timber falcon]

Stats for spec flutter, what do you guys think?

The main plain is to fairy Tera and get a juicy dazzling gleam on, or should I aim for a defensive Tera instead?

[next stump]

are you booster energy or specs?

or another item

[timber falcon]

Specs

[next stump]

I think that EV spread is good as long as you have some method of speed control on the team, or something like Amoonguss to redirect

[timber falcon]

Tailwind Whimsicott is in there, debating whether I should sunny day as well

Probs won’t due to water urshifu though

https://pokepast.es/4b8c15b8a98bca3a moves and eve aren’t quite done. But this is the kinda team I’m aiming for

But I will add tailwind to both latias and whimsicott for back up, as my urshifu is reliant in it

[next stump]

I think someone a while ago said the same thing but I'm really not seeing the vision behind having Latias when you already have prankster tailwind

[dapper crag]

Pokémon No. 380: Latias

Types

Dragon/Psychic

Abilities

Levitate

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

80/80/90/110/130/110

Total

600

Other Formes

Latias-Mega

SableyeBot version 4.25.0

[timber falcon]

Cause If whimsicott dies, urshifu has nothing good going for it. And I don’t wanna do specs cause incin is a dangerous counter

[dapper crag]

Latias's moveset:

Physical Moves

Aerial Ace, Body Slam, Breaking Swipe, Bulldoze, Covet, Cut, Dive, Double-Edge, Dragon Claw, Dual Wingbeat, Earthquake, Facade, Fly, Frustration, Fury Cutter, Giga Impact, Last Resort, Liquidation, Natural Gift, Outrage, Psycho Cut, Retaliate, Return, Scale Shot, Secret Power, Shadow Claw, Steel Wing, Sucker Punch, Take Down, Waterfall, Zen Headbutt

Special Moves

Air Cutter, Air Slash, Alluring Voice, Aura Sphere, Charge Beam, Chilling Water, Confusion, Disarming Voice, Draco Meteor, Dragon Breath, Dragon Pulse, Draining Kiss, Dream Eater, Energy Ball, Future Sight, Grass Knot, Hidden Power, Hyper Beam, Ice Beam, Icy Wind, Mist Ball, Mud-Slap, Mystical Fire, Psychic, Psyshock, Psywave, Round, Shadow Ball, Shock Wave, Snore, Solar Beam, Stored Power, Surf, Swift, Tera Blast, Thunder, Thunderbolt, Tri Attack, Twister, Water Pulse, Weather Ball, Whirlpool

Status Moves

Agility, Ally Switch, Attract, Baton Pass, Calm Mind, Captivate, Charm, Confide, Defog, Double Team, Dragon Cheer, Dragon Dance, Endure, Flash, Guard Split, Heal Pulse, Healing Wish, Helping Hand, Hone Claws, Laser Focus, Light Screen, Magic Coat, Magic Room, Mimic, Protect, Psych Up, Psycho Shift, Rain Dance, Recover, Reflect, Reflect Type, Refresh, Rest, Roar, Role Play, Roost, Safeguard, Sandstorm, Sleep Talk, Substitute, Sunny Day, Swagger, Sweet Kiss, Tailwind, Telekinesis, Thunder Wave, Toxic, Trick, Water Sport, Wish

Notes

A move displayed with Bold text benefits from Same-Type Attack Bonus when used by Latias.

SableyeBot version 4.25.0

[astral gazelle]

No lie

Bro if ur trying 2 use latias ur gonna have to try something unique

[timber falcon]

Any suggestions?

I just want a supportive bulk on the team

[astral gazelle]

Rn ur team is just good stuff + latias

[timber falcon]

I see

[astral gazelle]

Does it still get ally switch?

[timber falcon]

Nope that’s on latios

Are u maybe saying I should run latios?

[astral gazelle]

Oof that’s tuff

[timber falcon]

I’m stuck between the two

[bold geode]

What?

[next stump]

I just don’t see how you have enough offense with Whimsicott + Urshifu lead, with a rocky helmet bulky Latias in the back alongside Incin or Rilla

[bold geode]

Bro Latias is a good ass TW setter rn

[next stump]

Especially given you’re clear amulet Urshifu and not something like Mystic Water

[astral gazelle]

Idk 2 tailwind setters on 1 team seams redundant

[bold geode]

Actually yeah Whims Urshifu goes fuckin hard

[timber falcon]

That’s what I’m thinking

[stark juniper]

Whims anything goes hard

[astral gazelle]

Bro if I see latias and I have a prankster mon I’m just going 4 taunt

[timber falcon]

I’m going clear amulet to shut down somone who,thinks intimidate gonna stop me

[astral gazelle]

Latias entirely shut down

[bold geode]

laughs in Draco Meteor
laughs in Mist Ball

[timber falcon]

Real

[astral gazelle]

Taunt sucker punch it’s gg before she can do anything

[bold geode]

Latias is just Reg F Roaring Moon essentially

[astral gazelle]

2 of the most common moves but

[bold geode]

Tera Poison

[timber falcon]

Ur gonna need some powerful sucker punch to down it in one go

[bold geode]

Rocky Helmet

[astral gazelle]

If ally switch goes before sucker punch u can do something

[bold geode]

Switching in and out

Playing the game

[astral gazelle]

Idk maybe I’m different

[stark juniper]

Stupid idea for a doubles set

Skill swap Malamar onto Hammer Arm Slaking

[bold geode]

Man I'm ready to hate myself

[bold geode]

Fuck off
Malamar is shit

[stark juniper]

Oh ik

[bold geode]

Lmao

[stark juniper]

But it has Contrary

[timber falcon]

Idk I’ve been using latias lately and it’s saved me a couple times. Ruins sheer force lando, I had a 1 v1 end game with a raging bolt and got a clutch sp drop to win the game, + recover

[astral gazelle]

If we’re playing vgc I’m instantly going taunt the latias use any super effective move turn 1 turn 2 just ko it

[timber falcon]

Yk I might lose the tw

[timber falcon]

Tera poison goes hard tbh

[astral gazelle]

Tera the support mon?

[bold geode]

Teras switches
Game's not as ez as that

Yeah people tera the support Mon all the fucking time

[astral gazelle]

Yeah I guess

[timber falcon]

More useful than u might think

[bold geode]

Have you ever seen Ghost Tornadus?

[stark juniper]

As long as it’s not for stall purposes I say go for it

[bold geode]

Or Water Amoongus

[astral gazelle]

But Tornadus does more then latias

Amoongus does more that latias

[timber falcon]

Used to run ghost scarfed smeargle with spore. Really did make some ppl cry

[bold geode]

Not necessarily
They both have their own rights

[bold geode]

Making me cry

[stark juniper]

Smeargle makes everyone cry

[astral gazelle]

^^

[stark juniper]

I didn’t realise they put it in DLC part 2 until today

[timber falcon]

Debatable, a well made latias could be a life saver, especially in situations when ur thinking “who the hell do I send out!”

[timber falcon]

Got myself a shiny one real quick lmao

[astral gazelle]

Idk maybe I just have ptsd from trying 2 use latias in gen 8

So many losses

[timber falcon]

Gen 8 was a murder spree

[craggy swan]

How's the teamhttps://pokepast.es/1f2c3b704dd0493f

[stark juniper]

Yikers, that green thing is about to scare some fools

[timber falcon]

Looking good

[bold geode]

Gen 8 made so many bad habits
Dynamax was the stupidest mechanic ever

[astral gazelle]

Ngl I love dmax

[timber falcon]

Not to mention the amount of mons that should NOT have been legal

[next stump]

I like the team

[astral gazelle]

More then Tera but I’m different

[stark juniper]

I mean it’s not Z move at least

[bold geode]

Probably blows up to Lando I, good other than that

[next stump]

I’m not entirely sure why you have Sunny Day on Farig though

[craggy swan]

[craggy swan]

raging bolt

[timber falcon]

Yeah didn’t see that. Sheer force lando having a field day with that team

[bold geode]

Well I mean
Get big and destroy shit wasn't the best thing comp wise as far as making good habits

[astral gazelle]

Dmax allowed a lot of mons to be viable now it’s kinda tuff

[timber falcon]

Double hp 😭

[astral gazelle]

D max in singles was dumb tho

[next stump]

oh I see, that’s a neat idea

[stark juniper]

Oh it was a terrible mechanic but I’d argue Z move was far worse, both suck

[timber falcon]

Fr, one mistake and u get swept

[bold geode]

Point is Dynamax was a shit mechanic and now sometimes we suffer for that

[timber falcon]

At least z move was one turn. D max enabled them to not only set up, but sweep whilst doing so

[craggy swan]

any way I could make it Not blow up to lando?

[astral gazelle]

It was more that that u could set terrain/weather/boost/stat drops

Literally dmax had it all

[next stump]

booster SPE icy wind flutter + ogerpon is good into Lando

[bold geode]

Cuz now players still have habits from that past gen and don't realize that some mons are now good that weren't good then or vice versa
Biggest example being the Regieleki/Regidrago thing

[stark juniper]

Very true, dmax secondary effects were stupid

[next stump]

if they have tailwind it’s kinda awkward but that’s why you have a TR mode

[timber falcon]

Might be just be but I feel like ogerpon is out of place

[bold geode]

Try Wellspring Ogerpon

[timber falcon]

Yeah

[craggy swan]

Okay

[astral gazelle]

Ngl I miss dmax Tera is boring

[bold geode]

Haven't seen many Bundles around just yet so don't have to worry as much about Freeze Dry (still be cautious)

[astral gazelle]

But it’s more balanced tho

[craggy swan]

I miss mega evolution😭

[stark juniper]

Just bring back megas 🗣️🗣️

[timber falcon]

Unbalanced too

[stark juniper]

(I’m kidding don’t flame me)

[astral gazelle]

Dmax was better megas “change my mind”

[timber falcon]

Kyogre getting 150 attack is wild

[bold geode]

Honestly I think Tera is the best mechanic

[timber falcon]

Most fun? Nah, but yeah most balanced

[next stump]

it’s hard because they introduced OTS and Tera in the same gen so it’s hard to tell how bad Dynamax would have been if it had OTS

[astral gazelle]

Most balanced mechanic

[craggy swan]

balance wise yes

[stark juniper]

It’s a great mechanic yeah in that regard, it’s a shame it swallowed up most of the games budget

[timber falcon]

Stellar Tera typing is trash btw, I ain’t touching that

Also,I’m suprised I haven’t seen many regi teams

[astral gazelle]

With dmax any mon can change their stats and some had different forms

[stark juniper]

Is gigas back?

[timber falcon]

Yep

[astral gazelle]

Megas we’re just stat changes + design change

[timber falcon]

That’s what they call forms

[stark juniper]

Skill swap gigas anyone 👀

[astral gazelle]

Lol ik

[craggy swan]

I once fought a team full of just regis

[timber falcon]

Wheezing is enough

[bold geode]

What would've even made the difference with that other than the Defiant Thundurus thing

[timber falcon]

Lmao

[astral gazelle]

That about that graffiti pokemon that could change abilities, bro would be great for regi

[nocturne holly]

https://pokepast.es/c028f602948615cb thoughts on the last slots? Thinking of metagross but that’s double psychic

[timber falcon]

I swear if I hop on and see a worry seed whimsicott and regigigas one day iam be furious

[craggy swan]

you just gotta accept it😭

[stark juniper]

I kinda want to see that in practice now

[next stump]

whimsicott in CTS is a nightmare

15+ viable moves

[timber falcon]

Why not make it a trick room team

[stark juniper]

Whimsicott is terrifying

[craggy swan]

I wanna say something about shiny whimsicott but ill keep it to myself

[timber falcon]

Fr, especially trying to set up first turn, risky as hell

[nocturne holly]

metagross and prima are pretty flexible
They can work decently well in both tr and tw

[timber falcon]

Why not run both. Got very nice speed control

[nocturne holly]

what would I add for tr

wish latias learned tr

[karmic temple]

I been using p2 and primarina and that’s been fun

[timber falcon]

Porygon2 evilolite can’t go wrong tbh

[karmic temple]

For tr

[bold geode]

Hmmmmm
I need to look at it

[timber falcon]

Porygon2 available

[stark juniper]

Tbh I’m waiting to go up against a Whim + Wellspring pair…

[bold geode]

I don't see a problem with shiny Whimsicott

[nocturne holly]

if I add p2 I don’t think I’ll have enough offensive output

I wanna do latias balance

[bold geode]

Doesn't look horrible though I probably don't wanna know lol

[timber falcon]

True true

[craggy swan]

don't worry bout it

[bold geode]

I won't lmao

[timber falcon]

Lemme look up tr mons rq

[bold geode]

Don't gimme a reason to not like it

Sour did you see what I said?

[craggy swan]

[astral gazelle]

Hydra

[bold geode]

Do not the Hydreigon

[astral gazelle]

That my boi

Rip the moving sprite tho

[bold geode]

Your boi kinda booboo now

[astral gazelle]

Nah just misunderstood

[bold geode]

Then again my boy be Infernape so

[timber falcon]

Sinistcha?? Then last 2 mons can be for offense

[astral gazelle]

My focus energy set goes hard

[bold geode]

Honestly
Sinistcha/Lando I/something with setup

[nocturne holly]

3 supports doesn’t feel good on this

[timber falcon]

Show

[bold geode]

That's what I'd do

[timber falcon]

Which 3 are supports?

[nocturne holly]

latias incin sinis

[nocturne holly]

On my team?

[bold geode]

Yeah

Archaludon might actually work here?

[nocturne holly]

archaludon would work tbh

[astral gazelle]

It’s just scope lens- protect/ focus energy/heat wave/ Draco meteor- with Tera fire

[timber falcon]

Lando makes using archaludon a pain

[bold geode]

Or Kingambit/Ape

[timber falcon]

On which mon?

[astral gazelle]

Hydreigon the only mon in the game that can throw Draco’s without drawback

[timber falcon]

Gambit brings 2 mons weak do fighting and ground

[astral gazelle]

Hydreigon

[timber falcon]

Decent set up. But wouldn’t that force u to almost always Tera hydreigon z.

[astral gazelle]

Not at all

[opaque glacier]

Anyone interested in 0attack IV walking wake raid?

[timber falcon]

Really? I though for sure flutter would cause u to Tera

[astral gazelle]

Tera is just defensive if need be

Scout for flutter with protect

The team includes priority bullet punch

[timber falcon]

Very nice

What’s the full team?

[astral gazelle]

Ngl hydreigon is a really good bait pokemon

[timber falcon]

True never thought of it

[bold geode]

I left for a minute

[astral gazelle]

People love targeting it

[bold geode]

Hydreigon is not good rn

[astral gazelle]

Misunderstood rn

[bold geode]

No it's understood

[timber falcon]

Realised very quick how many pp, are terrified of smeargle lmao. Didn’t even have to use follow me half the time

[bold geode]

Understood that it blows up to Fairy Pokemon rn

[astral gazelle]

If u eliminate flutter who’s stoping it

[bold geode]

Cue a Fairy move

[timber falcon]

Tera fire

[bold geode]

Plus like there's so much other shit you might as well run

[timber falcon]

Not that bad of a strat

[astral gazelle]

Like I said people love targeting hydreigon

[bold geode]

I mean if you wanna run it go ahead be my guest
But I'm just speaking a general consensus and the general consensus is that it got power crept very early

[astral gazelle]

Bro when tapu fini was in the meta in gen 8 I made a whole lure team using hydreigon

Ik it’s gen 9 now but

[timber falcon]

You know are there any meta mons that counter a Tera fire hydreigon?

[astral gazelle]

Again bro is just misunderstood

[timber falcon]

I can’t think of a decent way to counter

[karmic temple]

Any water type pokemon

[timber falcon]

Btw is anyone available to battle rn? I wanna use my blaziken team one last time

[timber falcon]

That’s after Tera

Before it resists

[astral gazelle]

What mon could resist fire and dragon?

[timber falcon]

Heatran

But then again it can’t do much back

[bold geode]

Wow that wasn't hard lol

Tera Fairy Blast
Earth Power

[timber falcon]

Levitate

Also who runs fairy Tera heatran 💀

[bold geode]

A good amount of people lol

[nocturne holly]

https://pokepast.es/af70e9a3d1e32c2b thoughts on the last slot

[timber falcon]

Really? Grass should be go to imo

[nocturne holly]

Tera fairy is it’s most popular I think
Or did it switch back to grass

[bold geode]

Tera Fairy Heatran was huge for resisting Fighting moves and blasting them back lol

Grass and Fairy are both viable

[next stump]

you could test kingambit

[timber falcon]

I’d add a tornados ngl

[next stump]

or just be basic and go flutter

[timber falcon]

Nvm

[nocturne holly]

AV? or set up SD

[timber falcon]

I agree with this

[next stump]

I think SD set

covered well with the double fake out

[timber falcon]

Defiant too, makes Incin users think twice

[slim moth]

Hey guys, what is the usual EV stat spread for a competitive incineroar

[timber falcon]

Yeah I’d like to know that too

[nocturne holly]

@bold geode is your sd gambit set just max max

[nocturne holly]

Incins spreads are hella varied
What do you wanna live? Mane? Urshifu?

[slim moth]

Mane please

I was guessing 252 HP and depending on Flutter or Shifu majority of the rest would be in SP.DEF or DEF

[craggy swan]

136 in sp.def or def

[next stump]

https://twitter.com/vgccorner/status/1736558818287309093?s=46&t=fDxHQLlKCKU_ddfszOAZ6w

[timber falcon]

Omg I just realised what is dumbass I am, genuinely thought max attack and Hp Incin was all I needed to tank stuff 💀

Now I know why he kept dying

[nocturne holly]

Incineroar @ Sitrus Berry / Safety Goggles
Ability: Intimidate
Tera Type: Grass / Poison
EVs: 236 HP / 4 Atk / 100 Def / 156 SpD / 12 Spe
Careful Nature

• Fake Out
• Parting Shot
• Flare Blitz
• Knock Off / Snarl / Taunt

[keen karma]

I forgot how tedious this game is when you have none of the miraidon stuff

[astral gazelle]

Still hydreigon is always slept on

[timber falcon]

Thanks a lot

[gentle crag]

otot8953 has given 1 Gen Rep to mlbd

[nocturne holly]

I personally like the first physically bulky spread

[next stump]

you’re welcome, that’s a great page to follow

[keen karma]

I love living tera fairy specs mb

[slim moth]

hydreigon could return thanks to dragon cheer maybe??

[gentle crag]

elvenleif has given 1 Gen Rep to rocketjay3

[keen karma]

Especially when a ton of flutters are running specs rn

[astral gazelle]

If u ask me m8 dragon cheer is wack

[nocturne holly]

I’ll try it

[astral gazelle]

The focus energy set is slept on heavy

[next stump]

i don’t see any reason to run hydreigon when regidrago is right there

[astral gazelle]

Definitely won a couple on games because of it

People stay setting up screens while I already set up focus energy

Hydra with tailwind support is fast and resist sucker punch and immune to pranksters

Severely slept on

[dapper crag]

Primarina [Water/Fairy]

Immune

Dragon

Resists (0.5x)

Bug, Dark, Fighting, Fire, Ice, Water

Neutral damage

Fairy, Flying, Ghost, Ground, Normal, Psychic, Rock, Steel, Stellar

Weak (2x)

Electric, Grass, Poison

SableyeBot version 4.25.0

[keen karma]

Cloverbells made a team around it but thats all Ive really seen out of it

Like it topped a few limitless tours iirc

[astral gazelle]

Show the team?

[keen karma]

Reg e

[astral gazelle]

Bro hydra oko regi Draco

[keen karma]

Not if it doesn’t outspeed

[nocturne holly]

That doesn’t mean anything?

[slim moth]

Okidogi got upper hand now right? Do you think it will finally be viable? Personally I dont think so??

[nocturne holly]

https://pokepast.es/cd0c9cc6a6848044 gonna play around with this

[astral gazelle]

See now I don’t see y ur running regi Draco over hydra

[slim moth]

ooo yes I def want to run one of the latis since they got buffed

[next stump]

do you play singles or doubles

[astral gazelle]

Bruh I’m dumb af dragon cheer is way better then focus energy

Doubles

[next stump]

because that line of logic doesn’t really apply in doubles

[timber falcon]

Tried it out, one thing I can say. Is it’s a beacon for players to swarm

[astral gazelle]

Singles is entirely different

Hydra is extremely good in singles

[next stump]

it’s a good pokemon some niche teams, I have a friend who’s been running it on a screens team

[bold geode]

Thank you
This

[astral gazelle]

Rocks/roost/nastyplot/t wave

[gentle crag]

dollarmonke has given 1 Gen Rep to mlbd

[timber falcon]

Iron bundle.

[bold geode]

Yes lmao
Very basic

[keen karma]

Honestly i dislike both

[astral gazelle]

Iron bundle with rocks up can switch as much

[keen karma]

But regidrago is obviously the better option

[timber falcon]

Thoughts?

[bold geode]

Yeah but point is why Hydreigon when you can just the Regidrago
Regidrago go hard

[bold geode]

Yup

[timber falcon]

Blaze is gonna change btw

[bold geode]

Looks good

Yeah make that Intimidate lmao

[keen karma]

What is it calced for

[timber falcon]

Aight then that’s Incin done for me

[bold geode]

You follow Brady Smith on Twitter?

[keen karma]

I do

[nocturne holly]

Blaze incin meta 👀

[keen karma]

But why would they say thoughts if they didnt make the spread

[timber falcon]

Edited the one on twitter a bit. Surviving the surging strikes mystic water, but might go down to spec flutter

[bold geode]

He has the calcs for that set there

[keen karma]

You can survive surging with careful 228 hp 108 def

[timber falcon]

Is that all?

[keen karma]

Mystic iirc yea

I dont remember if i calced rain

[bold geode]

Yeah
Then again Incineroar literally probably has the potential to have more diverse EVs than Amoongus

[timber falcon]

I’m definitely keeping the hp up there, but I’m thinking of buffing the special defence a bit

[keen karma]

I thought amoonguss was pretty standard

[timber falcon]

Varies per build

Now I need some spreads for this guy. Any thoughts?

Meant to shut down Incin and flutter

Most of em anyway

[keen karma]

Clear amulet is ehh here

Just go mystic

[timber falcon]

Oki doki

[keen karma]

Intimidates arent doing much since you’re clicking surging mostly

[timber falcon]

Aight

Poison Tera stays though right? Or is there better here

[keen karma]

Also protect over detect just for pp but i dont really think its the biggest deal

[keen karma]

Up to you

I personally run water to get as much damage as possible

[timber falcon]

Raging bolt

Every time I’ve used this guy raging bolt comes onto the field

But I think I’ve got coverage for it

[slim moth]

Who is a good swords dance user rn? I havent played since regulation C so I will ask a lot of questions

[keen karma]

Kingambit

[timber falcon]

Not very popular but if you can get it of blaziken isn’t a bad choice. Used it a few times

How’s this for urshifu?

Tailwind tea, btw

That’s why speed ain’t high

[slim moth]

oooo this is nice

[keen karma]

Since you already have tera poison imo you dont need that much spd

[placid wasp]

Does anyone know if electivire and magmortar are at all viable? I’d love to try and make them work but I just started and I’ve got next to no knowledge and I can’t find any guides as they’re so new to SV. Thanks

[slim moth]

i wished whimsi got rain dance this gen but oh well

[timber falcon]

True, I doubt I’m surviving psychic moves anyway, might aswell boost hp

[keen karma]

Special d

[timber falcon]

So what am I boosting?

Defence is fine rn and atck is max, but I feel like I don’t need speed evs

[keen karma]

Honestly imma stop giving shifu advice

Im not too used to using rapid

[timber falcon]

Only for follow me

[bold geode]

Apparently Buzz and Mar are

Due to the fact they got Follow Me

[timber falcon]

Yeah buzz is REALLY annoying rn. Electro web , static and follow me

[slim moth]

Rapid > Single strike apparently and always has been I think

[timber falcon]

Yeah

Can’t boos single as much as rapid.

[placid wasp]

Okay thank you, but so sadly electivire is gna be useless basically? Same as magmortar as well, only they’re previous forms may have use

Their*

[timber falcon]

Is there a standard ev for whimsicott btw?

Eh might just run sp atck and sped

[near smelt]

What are strong Trick room setters for this team:
Ogerpon Rock
Primarina
Metagross
Hitmontop

[astral gazelle]

Gen 8 single strike was better

[slim moth]

I was thinking of making a team with iron crown since it gets expanding force (rip arma)
Team would obv have Iron Crown and Indeedee F, but what else can I use??

[timber falcon]

Incin makes expanding force teams hard to set up tbh

[nocturne holly]

holy fuck

I hate anything with t wave or static

I hate that shit
it’s the actual bane of my fucking existence

[slim moth]

I have no idea who will be more popular: buzz or magmar

probably magmar

[craggy swan]

iron crown water tera with tera blast

[timber falcon]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2024regf-2022151152 best team I’ve used in a while! Great chemistry to counter many strats

3 battles in a row and all I see are indeedee + iron crown

[slim moth]

I wish the latis could have gotten an electric move so the tera electric can be viable

and with levitate ability, we end up with a no weakness mon

[next stump]

recently featured team on Cybertron’s youtube channel, it’ll be everywhere

[slim moth]

okay nvm Iron crown expanding force strat is out of the list

[timber falcon]

Easy counter though, rillaboom at the back and if those 2 are sent out I switch in and change terrain. Or I just knock of spam lmao

[nocturne holly]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2024regf-2022160100 gambit is that guy

lando I feels the weirdest on this https://pokepast.es/cd0c9cc6a6848044

I gotta use it as a closer/opener

also primarina is that girl

[timber falcon]

Battle me fr

[nocturne holly]

User?

[timber falcon]

Totorules

[slim moth]

oooo gambit and incineroar is rlly good

[nocturne holly]

Are you online?

[nocturne holly]

Fr

[timber falcon]

Yep

[nocturne holly]

Sent

I have a goofy ahh user btw

too lazy to register

[timber falcon]

Didn’t receive

What’s ur user?

[nocturne holly]

Sent again

It says you’re not on

lemme log in gimme a sec

[timber falcon]

Ok

[nocturne holly]

K I sent

[slim moth]

what are good teammates for ogerpon heartflame and wellspring, maybe I will bring her for regulation f

[nocturne holly]

@timber falcon Ggs

that last game was an absolute shit fight lmao

[timber falcon]

I’m taking away hammer arm

Ggs

[nocturne holly]

Yeah you def should

[timber falcon]

No but seriously, taht was my first time eve using it on that team, and it missed

[nocturne holly]

my main problem last game was that I lost an absolute shit load of offensive output

[timber falcon]

Yeah, and for some reason I’m running ghost Tera flutter???

[nocturne holly]

yea wtf was that

[timber falcon]

Worked out though lol

[nocturne holly]

I want a bulkier lando i spread

[timber falcon]

I need more offense

[nocturne holly]

first game did you Tera fairy flutter?

[timber falcon]

Yeah lol

Then realised it ain’t gonna work

[nocturne holly]

damn that did 50% to poison lando i

[timber falcon]

Fr specs flutter is no joke

Anyway time for me to get better at using this team

My urshifu had more hp than attack evs 💀 damn I messed that up horribly

[nocturne holly]

https://pokepast.es/effa042bf9031ee0 thoughts? Anyone have a bulky lando i spread? Or what would I calc for with lando i? Feel like I can lose a lot of offensive momentum quickly when using this team

[timber falcon]

Don’t take my thoughts to seriously as you can see I’m not that good 😂 however I wouldn’t give max speed to lando which is slow

Feel like it can b directed at a bit of bulk

[feral ledge]

Here’s the spread I use for my Lando-i:

Landorus @ Life Orb
Ability: Sheer Force
Level: 50
Tera Type: Poison
EVs: 148 HP / 4 Def / 116 SpA / 12 SpD / 228 Spe
Timid Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

• Earth Power
• Sludge Bomb
• Substitute
• Protect

[nocturne holly]

What is it calced for?

[timber falcon]

Yeah I’ve fought this spread b4

Annoying to deal with

Didn’t expect sub

[slim moth]

hyper voice on primarina is always nice but alluring voice gets the liquid voice buff

[timber falcon]

Hyper voice 15 more base power

And hits both

Not to mention already gets liquid voice stab boost

[feral ledge]

The spread I use out speeds a lot especially in Tailwind and hits hard

[timber falcon]

Guys should I just run scarf urshi?

[slim moth]

i have no idea if perish trap primarina is viable still, bc it was in last gen

[timber falcon]

Mystic water ain’t the one for me

Too slow

Oh

I can just add speed

[slim moth]

is roaring moon still the best dragon dance user??

[next stump]

scarf urshifu is great but has some decently sized downsides

[next stump]

Gouging Fire is interesting with it

but roaring moon is still solid with it

[nocturne holly]

Dillon how would I go about eving lando I? Or do you know of a lando I spread?

[slim moth]

I would love to get one but unfortunately I got Violet </3

[feral ledge]

Also your Latias should run this. It’ll out speed its checks to get tailwind up and have more SAtk to deal damage:

Latias @ Rocky Helmet
Ability: Levitate
Level: 50
Tera Type: Electric
EVs: 236 HP / 76 SpA / 196 Spe
Timid Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

• Mist Ball
• Ice Beam
• Tailwind
• Protect

[slim moth]

locking two S tier legendaries in a version is crazy to me

[next stump]

one of their worst decisions ever

[next stump]

I was running 156HP, 4DEF, 252SpA, 4SpD, rest in SPE

modest nature

[slim moth]

sighs at least miraidon is still making violet a little worth

[next stump]

I believe that outspeeds Modest Gholdengo and things that creep it

[nocturne holly]

Thx

[gentle crag]

.begulajr. has given 1 Gen Rep to mlbd

[slim moth]

okay so here is a team im planning to form:

kingambit
incineroar
flutter mane
gastrodon

idk what to put for the other two, if there is any changes to do lmk

maybe roaring moon instead of gambit, but the team may have to change completely

[timber falcon]

Im changing my team Lmao it ain’t working out 😂

Tailwind teams just not for me

[next stump]

Amoonguss completes the fire/water/grass core nicely, and then maybe some speed control in your last slot. Tailwind is kinda weird because only Flutter obviously benefits from it, so maybe TR?

or just a fast icy wind like Iron Bundle, make flutter the speed control and add a mid/high speed pokemon

[nocturne holly]

https://pokepast.es/77db64db3a68da1f thoughts on this?

[slim moth]

TR? who is that?? yeah I could give flutter icy wind to control the speed since its the fastest mon in the team so thanks for that!

[gentle crag]

elvenleif has given 1 Gen Rep to mlbd

[next stump]

trick room hahaha sorry

[next stump]

maybe just me but I feel like the team wants TR more than it wants tailwind

[nocturne holly]

That’s what I thought

I’d have to swap latias tho right

[next stump]

like farig instead of latias

yeah

or maybe lando

if you want to test the tailroom stuff

[nocturne holly]

yea I can try that
I’ll do LO fari
looks interesting

[timber falcon]

Guys for a rain team which mon is best for summoning the rain?

[slim moth]

politoed, pelipper, but ppl mainly use prankster tornadus now

I dont like pelipper due to 4x electric weakness

[nocturne holly]

Wait I could also do sini over rilla right

ima test both ideas

[next stump]

that could work

[slim moth]

ooo yes sinistcha also has healing

that healing is lowkey good for gambit

[timber falcon]

Anyway to upgrade this team? Smeargle is the key mon

Ad blaziken

And*

[keen karma]

Did yall know male indeedee got ef

[timber falcon]

I’ve tried get rid of the team but it’s the one I’ve gotten used to, so I might as well utilise it

[dapper crag]

Pokémon No. 876: Indeedee

Types

Psychic/Normal

Abilities

Inner Focus, Synchronize, Psychic Surge (Hidden)

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

60/65/55/105/95/95

Total

475

Other Formes

Indeedee-F

SableyeBot version 4.25.0

Pokémon No. 876: Indeedee-F

Types

Psychic/Normal

Abilities

Own Tempo, Synchronize, Psychic Surge (Hidden)

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

70/55/65/95/105/85

Total

475

Base Species

Indeedee

SableyeBot version 4.25.0

[slim moth]

grass mon is missing in this?? maybe latias can be replaced with either sinistcha, rillaboom, or amoongus

but I think it has potential even without one

[timber falcon]

It’s main weakness is tailwind, how do I deal with it?

[slim moth]

maybe with trick room or an ice wind mon

[timber falcon]

Hmm a move that would need me to get a new mon….

Or maybe, there’s a snoopy dog that could learn one

[slim moth]

smth that scares me would be burning bulwhark smeargle

[timber falcon]

Sash smeargle???

I’ve been thinking about it

Getting rid of blaziken and making the gator the lead

But my team wouldn’t work with a sash smeargle so nvm

Call me crazy but I think I can pull off the regigigas stunt

[near smelt]

https://pokepast.es/00306213c41d4654 This is what I have so far,
Tested a bit

and I think I need a ice spinner...

also KingGambit Flutter been beating me a bit...

[slim moth]

prankster trick room is crazy I didnt knew there was a mon with that

[timber falcon]

Diabolical dream, i must make it happen

[near smelt]

It's pretty neat, helps with going against other TR setters.

just need to find a consistent way of dealing with psychic surge

because it shuts down choice band metagross and often protects flutter

That's one that absolutely hurts so far

[craggy swan]

your actually doing it😭

[timber falcon]

Not finishing team rn but what u think if this tea,

I think I can do it lmao

What’s stopping me?

Life orb gator and Incin mainly there to cover fire weakness

And wreak havoc

[craggy swan]

Prankster Taunt

[next stump]

just in case you didn’t know, prankster TR is still -4 priority

[timber falcon]

No faster mon with prankster than whimsicott

[next stump]

so it’ll still be the last move on the field

[dapper crag]

Move: Trick Room

For 5 turns, the Speed of every Pokemon is recalculated for the purposes of determining turn order. During the effect, each Pokemon's Speed is considered to be (10000 - its normal Speed), and if this value is greater than 8191, 8192 is subtracted from it. If this move is used during the effect, the effect ends.

Type

Psychic

Category

Status

Power

0

Accuracy

—

PP (max)

5 (8)

Priority

-7

Move Flags

​

Protect

Bypasses Protect-like moves.

Mirror

Copied by Mirror Move.

Contact

Does not make contact.

SableyeBot version 4.25.0

[next stump]

-6 oops

[timber falcon]

Nothing they can do with fully boosted speed whimsicott

In fact cause u said that I might add a mental herb lmao

[craggy swan]

👍

[slim moth]

OH LOL

wait so whimsi is still the fastest prankster user??

[next stump]

fastest relevant doubles one yes

im not sure if there is a faster one in the dex somewhere

[near smelt]

Also question... do I have to use Expanding force Armarogue with indeedee by proxy?

or can I deviate from that

[next stump]

like does armarouge have to run expanding force if you have indeedee?

or do you need indeedee with armarouge?

[near smelt]

More of the 2nd

[next stump]

I don't think it's needed, but they do synergize really well

[near smelt]

Trying to modify somethings, and saw that Armarogue can cover for Rockpon

I just didn't know if that meant it was auto indeedee

[next stump]

it's hard to imagine a TR armarouge team without indeedee

[near smelt]

Well I wanted Chien pao to deal with psychic terrain

but also trying to complete a core

I thought I did with the pokepaste team

but I just wrecked because of Psychic terrain cuts of Metagross

and I don't really got an answer

and HitMonTop is too slow

[smoky hawk]

How are people dealing with indeedee armarouge in reg F?

[slim moth]

incineroar

[near smelt]

I think just chien pao

[slim moth]

and kingambit i think

[near smelt]

or kingambit

Literally have a really strong dark type

[slim moth]

maybe even rillaboom with grassy surge to counter psychic terrain

[near smelt]

I thought terrains stack

[slim moth]

i dont think they do, once one is going to be placed, the old one leaves

[next stump]

this is correct

and if they're both sent out in the same turn, it's determined based off speed

so indeedee will almost always get psychic terrain up

[near smelt]

Yeah and the paradox Cobalion PsySpam gets really stronger

Mostly want to slot in a dark type that counters psychic terrain

but don't know who to drop

[magic sierra]

If you need to outright replace it, use Rillaboom; if you need to deal with the psyspam itself use Incineroar, Chien-Pao, Kingambit, Single-Strike Urshifu or another strong Dark-type

[near smelt]

I think replacing Paradox entei with incen can do it

but is having two intimidators too much?

[smoky hawk]

King and chien pao don't really deal with armadee because of the follow me

Seeing if I can avoid doing TR imprison

[timber falcon]

Rillaboom switch

[dapper crag]

should i use scroll of darkness or waters for kubfu

[timber falcon]

Depends

[near smelt]

Unless I can make Hitmontop not do the same thing as Incin

I just have Hitmon so it can just kill another Incin

[dapper crag]

how so?

[timber falcon]

On compet team

If it ain’t for vgc idk what to say, personally I’d go for water though

[dapper crag]

it is for vgc

[slim moth]

i had single strike shifu in sword so ill go for rapid strike this time

[dapper crag]

and whats even the difference between water and dark scrolls

like just moves or.?

[next stump]

typing and signature move

[dapper crag]

alright i’ll go dark since i have gastrodon

[vapid zinc]

could someone look over my Regulation F team rq? yes, I know it's risky running two grass types
https://pokepast.es/29b2ceabea435b3e

[charred saddle]

is it vgc? as in 2v2?

[vapid zinc]

first time trying vgc, yes

[charred saddle]

no protect will definitely hurt a lot

and change tera(?)

[vapid zinc]

change tera to more defensive ones right?

[charred saddle]

having 2 grass type isnt really a problem, as you can always tera to get away

[charred saddle]

, not just that tho, you can always offensive tera too,

in cases like landorus therian forme, it likes to bring choice scarf and tera flying tera blast to get away with quick flying type move

so the apprent problem i saw is no protect, even though u didnt use AV/ choice items, tera typings, and subpar pokemons

i cant giveout too much opinions on the pokemon since i dont have much experience aside reg E, but ye. lots of better mon than breloom, eelektross

[craggy swan]

also you need better ev spreads

[vapid zinc]

to be fair i'm not aiming for Master Ball Tier, I just want to win at least maybe one or two battles
https://pokepast.es/9f3f32b52c9bf77b

[smoky hawk]

You really should at least aim for MB tier lol

[charred saddle]

i mean thats just a different goals people have, so ye. if youre only aiming for 1-2 wins it shouldnt be a problem. lower ranked doesnt really have a strat to the team anyway.

so i think as long as you can have a solid way of getting your plan to work, you can win easily

ie. Tailwind and have a fast mon to sweep under it

urshifu and torn is prob the strongest, since torn can help with rain, and storm 100% acc.

and urshifu can bypasses protect

used to be at least, idk how reg f will go

[near smelt]

At least??? Isn't like that the max rank?

[knotty briar]

I've been trying to reach master ball tier with a trick room ursaluna team
I noticed that I haven't really brought gholdengo very much
Any tips?

This is the team

[charred saddle]

it is, but getting there isnt as hard as it seems.

at least in my opinion

climbing the ranks in masterball ranks are

just needed to familiarize with the games

[knotty mirage]

Is it better to give smeargle jungle healing or lunar blessing for healing move ?

[dapper crag]

Move: Jungle Healing

Each Pokemon on the user's side restores 1/4 of its maximum HP, rounded half up, and has its status condition cured.

Type

Grass

Category

Status

Power

0

Accuracy

—

PP (max)

10 (16)

Move Flags

​

Protect

Bypasses Protect-like moves.

Authentic

Bypasses substitute.

Contact

Does not make contact.

Heal

Cannot be selected under Heal Block.

SableyeBot version 4.25.0

[mighty stump]

Its the same thing

[knotty mirage]

Okay just check lunar blessing it only have 8 PP max so jungle healing it is

[stark juniper]

How valid is Outrage + Own Tempo?

like would it be worth skill swapping

[mighty stump]

Not really

Payoff isn't worth the setup

[stark juniper]

Honestly just trying to come up with a decent Slaking doubles set

And I figured skill swap probably needs to be involved somewhere

I’ve had two ideas so far in:
Skill Swap Malamar’s Contrary and run Hammer arm
Or Skill swap off of Smeargle

[mighty stump]

Just run what everyone else has done, either NGas or Skill Swap with Medicham

[stark juniper]

Yeah I suppose Pure Power would be the better option

[keen karma]

How would you recommend running glimm dozo

Like what mons are run on it

And is it similar to 2-2-2

[charred saddle]

i think i saw glimm dozo team in a 222

glim dozo, paonite, chiflutter

[ember linden]

PaoTei might be used over PaoNite nowadays

[charred saddle]

ye, was referring what i met haha

[timber falcon]

guys is an incin and iron hands duo any good? or is the ground weakness nerf it

[charred saddle]

not really a prob

people can run Harc and IH

both has ground weaknesses

like ive said, you can always tera to get rid of the weaknesses. or even have other mon to play around it

[timber falcon]

whats harc and ih?

[charred saddle]

hisuaian arcanine and Iron hands

sry haha, i just made it easy to type

[timber falcon]

hmm ok, i think ill try that duo out and see how it goes, i just really like the type of truck ih is, though if it doesnt work out im gonna go with rilla

[cloud heron]

What Tera type should a modest vaporeon be? I was thinking ground would give it defense from electric I guess?

[timber falcon]

what about rillaboom

[empty haven]

Hmm what Tera type would raging bolt run

[mighty stump]

Grass/Water

[empty haven]

Great I’m on the right track

I’m experimenting with it

It’s gonna be legal in regulation F right?

[pearl wind]

[empty haven]

Nice

Raging Bolt @ Assault Vest
Ability: Protosynthesis
Tera Type: Grass
EVs: 48 HP / 200 Def / 252 SpA / 8 SpD
Modest Nature
IVs: 20 Atk

• Thunderclap
• Draco Meteor
• Volt Switch
• Weather Ball

How does this set look?

[mighty stump]

You're wasting EVs

[empty haven]

Ah please explain

[mighty stump]

If you invest in an even number of stats, you waste EVs cause they won't obey the 4+8x rule at level 50

4 of those EVs in the SpDef doesnt count

[empty haven]

Ah

[mighty stump]

because 4 > 12

Is the next jump

then every subsequent 8

[empty haven]

So what should I change the evs to?

[mighty stump]

If you want an AV set this is one I wrote up

[empty haven]

That looks good

I’m putting it with torn ursh

Ok time to rework my evs

[mighty stump]

If you want anymore references I wrote some up in the pins

Theres 13 mons there

[timber falcon]

https://pokepast.es/aab710050098fa7f any thoughts on this team? smeargle staying btw just cause i like him

[mighty stump]

Some of them are also made by better players than me

Just run Sash Smeargle, Scarf seems poorly

Otherwise it looks fine

[timber falcon]

oki doki ty

so without sash smearle doesnt need destiny bond, and i doubt ill get a u turn of, what should i replace those with?

thinking cotton spore and smth else

and is specs fluttermane needed at that point? or should i run booster energy and protect

[mighty stump]

Just a protect move

Either Spiky Shield or Burning Bulwark works

[mighty stump]

That's honestly down to preference

Of course Specs has bigger damage output while Booster can protect

[timber falcon]

ok

yeah i think with lando my sp atck output it great, ima go with booster

[timber falcon]

https://pokepast.es/fad68ff563d486fb tinkered with the team a little, kinda worried im relying on sheer bulk with my pysical attackers, but its working out well rn

[empty haven]

I changed it up and I’m using booster energy calm mind raging bolt

Very fun actually

[keen lava]

How do Evs and Ivs work?

[mighty stump]

-comp ev

[gentle crag]

Effort Values

Effort Values (EVs) are points that a Pokémon gains when earning EXP from a wild Pokémon battle.

The wild Pokémon defeated or caught will determine how many and in which stat those EVs are gained. An online Pokédex like Serebii.net is useful for finding this information.

Effect at Level 50

At Level 50, the first 4 EVs in a stat will grant +1 point to that stat, and every subsequent +1 stat point increase will require 8 EVs in that stat.

Effect at Level 100

At Level 100, every 4 EVs in a stat will grant +1 to that stat.

Maximum EVs

• Maximum total: 510
• Maximum in one stat: 252

Checking EVs

When looking at a Pokémon's summary, press X on the stats page to see EVs. Any EV that is maxed out will have sparkles around the stat name. When the Pokémon is fully trained, the previously orange shape will turn a light mint color.

Help Command: -comp help

[keen lava]

Thank you

[mighty stump]

IVs are the same concept, but just work at 50% when at level 50

rounded down, so max IVs give an extra 15

[keen lava]

Oooh okay, that makes sense

Also why isn’t archeludon legal in ranked?

[mighty stump]

New ruleset begins January 4th

[keen lava]

Alright, thank you

[gentle crag]

nathaniel4586 has given 1 Gen Rep to woodtofu

[cobalt axle]

Give me a good regulation e vgc team

[mighty stump]

You can just check the pins/repository for that or #rental_teams for server submitted ones.

[keen karma]

No thats not it

Because im talking about glimm dozogiri

[ember linden]

For anyone who might want to know, 252 HP 4 def also lives jolly chien-pao icicle crash.

[charred saddle]

u only said glimm dozo

and i did say i gave out what i experienced. not my opinion

[keen karma]

I corrected myself since that wasnt what i was looking for

Thanks for the help though

[polar canyon]

Man

Why can't smeargle learn revival blessing

[cyan smelt]

if bramblin evolves the same way as pawmo and rellor, why can't it learn revival blessing

[autumn vault]

Because its dead

In its dex entry, its literally a soul tangled up on something and became bramblin

[cyan smelt]

lots of ghost pokemon are just dead people

[autumn vault]

They cant revive anything, nor can be revived

[timber falcon]

https://pokepast.es/0d58115a9840f68c opinions on team?

[willow vault]

Why hammer arm on the rillaboom?

[nocturne holly]

Fr

[nocturne holly]

Sitrus over goggles on incin, you have tera grass

Mist ball over Draco on latias, if you want Draco it would have to be over icy wind

tera fairy/grass/water on flutter

I prefer fairy since specs

[timber falcon]

i went with fire tera on flutter and it came in clutch. counters flare incin, makes moon blast and dazzling from other potential spec flutteres non very effective, makes steel moves slip up (won a game cause of this)

[nocturne holly]

I also don’t see the point of hitmontop

[timber falcon]

and this team brought me to 1200, i know for most its bad but this has been a journey for me lmao i dont wanna batte anymore

[timber falcon]

extra intimidate, one taps none bulk lando and threatens rilla. also covers incin

and threatens flutter

and its got some bulk, tanked a rain boosted sp atck protosynthesis hydro steam with it

idk how

[mighty stump]

This is definitely a CTS Bo1 team alright

[timber falcon]

my team is what?

[mighty stump]

Like itll probably perform only in CTS Bo1

Closed Teamsheets Best of 1

[timber falcon]

yea

isnt that what vgc is though

[mighty stump]

Theres an OTS Bo3 ladder and all official events are OTS Bo3

Its a harder ladder overall

[timber falcon]

i see

[mighty stump]

No FO on Hitmontop?

[timber falcon]

so would this team not work for that?

idk shoul i remove wide guard?

[mighty stump]

No Wide Guard is nice for Specs-locked Gleams

Id probably want High Horsepower for Rillaboom here

[timber falcon]

yeah thats what i thought, i really like the bullet punch on there too, but i think grassy glide is a better finisher

[timber falcon]

yeah i was gonna change that due to losing on a hammer arm miss

[mighty stump]

What are your EVs looking like

It's difficult to get a full picture without showing them

Just send the paste but non-OTS

[timber falcon]

ok

https://pokepast.es/80a8279e69c0757c

[mighty stump]

Latias EVs are off and Flutter EVs are odd looking

Why is it 66 and 182

[timber falcon]

its 182????

[timber falcon]

oh yeah

Based on these

Just for some bulk

[mighty stump]

Where did you get this from

[timber falcon]

a guy on here yesterday

[mighty stump]

@bold geode Did you make these spreads or am I losing it

Well just fix up the HP stat cause its saying 66 not 68

I think at base the Ice Spinner calc is no longer relevant and you almost always want 76/140

[timber falcon]

ok

[nocturne holly]

He did lmao

[summer shore]

Moonkay

[timber falcon]

wait guys does sludge wave hit allies?

[nocturne holly]

shiro 👀

[mighty stump]

It does.

[timber falcon]

ah ok

[dapper crag]

Move: Sludge Wave

Has a 10% chance to poison the target.

Type

Poison

Category

Special

Power

95

Accuracy

100

PP (max)

10 (16)

Move Flags

​

Mirror

Copied by Mirror Move.

Contact

Does not make contact.

SableyeBot version 4.25.0

[bold geode]

I did
All except the adamant Ice Spinner one are ones that y'all have brought up before, but I actually remember all 4 of those off the dome lmao

[void sluice]

What are some suggested ev spreads for archaludon in rain for doubles?

[timber falcon]

Oh yeah what about Latias evs? Lacking speed?

[bold geode]

Also Tofu don't pay attention to the teras or the fact the spreads aren't complete, at that moment I was more trying to just show the bulks

[nocturne holly]

check tofus blog in pins, it has a good latias build

it’s brady’s
He also has another version

[timber falcon]

Where can I find these pins?

[nocturne holly]

Latias @ Sitrus Berry/Safety Goggles/Rocky Helmet
Ability: Levitate
Level: 50
Tera Type: Poison/Electric
EVs: 252 HP / 4 Def / 12 SpA / 76 SpD / 164 Spe
Calm Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

• Mist Ball
• Ice Beam/Draco Meteor/Icy Wind
• Tailwind
• Protect/Recover/Heal Pulse/Helping Hand/Sunny Day/Rain Dance

[timber falcon]

Thanks

[gentle crag]

otot8953 has given 1 Gen Rep to .begulajr.

[nocturne holly]

there was another faster version with the same mane calcs

252 hp, 76 sp def, 180 spe

I think it outspeeds jolly lando i

[summer shore]

Moonkay

[nocturne holly]

But if you do that spread you want either icy wind or ice beam so you can actually threaten it

[bold geode]

Shiiiiiiiroo

[nocturne holly]

@timber falcon this is Brady’s actual post on the spread https://twitter.com/vgccorner/status/1739750121623974036

Brady is that guy

ima switch to Sitrus on latias

latias is so fucking flexible

[timber falcon]

Fr

Ima run Googles to put amongus im his place

Or maybe rock helm

[nocturne holly]

-calc 1/2^5

[gentle crag]

Result: 0.031250

[mighty stump]

opinion on Iron Boulder in OU

[void sluice]

Rain Archaludon ev spread?

[polar canyon]

Chat

[mighty stump]

Pins.

[polar canyon]

I have awesome news

[nocturne holly]

no

me first

[polar canyon]

I got a blowtorch for christmas

I'll burn things

Mostly food

[nocturne holly]

W

ok so
can gambit and primarina work in tw

[polar canyon]

Kind of

[nocturne holly]

I wanna cook with them and latias

[polar canyon]

The same way hands works in tw

[mighty stump]

It can. You dont even need TW for Kingambit

ive run Turbogambit lots of times

[nocturne holly]

Turbogambit?

[mighty stump]

Max Speed Kingambit

[polar canyon]

Icy wind bundle and assurance

[nocturne holly]

what

[timber falcon]

Gusts for competitions should I do Bo3 as practice?

Guys*

[nocturne holly]

max spe max atk?

like on its own

[next stump]

Official VGC competitions are usually BO3

[timber falcon]

So I should

[next stump]

sometimes BO1 if it’s a local tournament

If you want to mimic the regional experience, then yes

[timber falcon]

Ima just stick to bo1, hopefully it’s not that m much of a difference

[summer shore]

Stro

[polar canyon]

The difference in bo3 is pretty significant

Starting from the second game

[summer shore]

I have a four lett limi

[nocturne holly]

Is turbogambit and SD set?

[timber falcon]

Nvm ima do b03 then

[mighty stump]

nope

AV/Life Orb

[bold geode]

Ok Shir you are perf fine ther

[keen karma]

Finally finished violet

I love this story for the game

[hard dock]

Contrary serperior
Tera stellar
Singles
Glare
Tera blast
Leaf storm
Dragon pulse
Unsure about the item

At most I can get off a glare but I wanted to abuse contrary. Can someone help me with ideas to make serperior better. Tips on timing or moveset or evs? Any help is appreciated

[bold geode]

@mighty stump there's two Shiros

[keen karma]

No

There is Shiro and there is shiro

[mighty stump]

pretty sure you want Substitute to capitalise on opponents switching to let you spam safely

[hard dock]

What should I replace then?

And should I change his tera type? Stellar seemed like a good idea on paper but I don't use it much

[keen karma]

Dyk the teambuild for glimm dozogiri

[mighty stump]

Glimm DozoGiri?

Its just still 2-2-2

like Bundle/Mane and Paonite

[summer shore]

Shamaymay

[cold marten]

Hey just out of curiosity. What is the best pokemon for a dragon dance team and what abilities should I use on them

[timber falcon]

Sheer force feraligatr always an option.

[cold marten]

Ok that's one 5 more to figure out

[timber falcon]

Do they all need dragon dance? U gonna need some support I think

To even allow a proper set up

[mighty stump]

Feraligatr is a terrible choice here

Its going to struggle

[timber falcon]

Hey don’t downplay my boy (this is pure bias)

[mighty stump]

DD users would probably be something like Clear Amulet Baxcalibur or Booster Roaring Moon with Acrobatics

[timber falcon]

I just think it’s the best water starter, tried bring it into a team once and it got 0 play lmao

[mighty stump]

Gouging Fire can also run it as a set with Clear Amulet as well

[latent path]

Hey question

What is a good move set and ev spread for a Lycanroc running on trick room?
Also is trick room the best strategy for him?

Currently my Lycanroc has trailblaze and maximum evs in speed and attack

[cold marten]

I'm just looking for 5 pokemon to make a dragon dance team to destroy anything in my way, raids and to mess around with. Honestly I might use this team when I start indigo disk

[karmic temple]

I wouldn’t suggest using lycanrock on a tr team since even its slowest form is only like 89

[latent path]

I’m guessing trick room is only good with VERY slow Pokémon yes?

[karmic temple]

Trick room makes the slowest Pokémon’s go first so you’ll be crippling yourself

[timber falcon]

It might be night time

[latent path]

So if I reduce Lycanroc’s speed like as much as possible does that make trick room any better or no?

[karmic temple]

No

[mighty stump]

No, because it will still be undersped by regular TR mons

[timber falcon]

Just realised the name 💀

[karmic temple]

Don’t use him for trick room, it’s a faster Pokémon. Dusk form is 82 speed which is still really fast for tr

[mighty stump]

This isn’t really the place to seek raid related sets or PvE sets

[latent path]

Yeah no 78 speed is probably not low enough for a trick room build

[nocturne holly]

https://pokepast.es/c261c64eeead1dd3 thoughts? What could I do for the last slots

[latent path]

I am using Midnight Lycanroc btw

[karmic temple]

It’d be better on a tw team or a sand team if it gets sand rush

Don’t remember which abilities that one gets

[latent path]

No guard

So guaranteed stone edge

[timber falcon]

Midnight gets no guard?

[latent path]

Yep

[timber falcon]

Oh yeah hidden

[latent path]

Okay so Lycanroc might not be good for a trick room team… but how about

Hisuian Decidueye?

[cold marten]

Yes I know however I like asking here cause I get professional competitive battlers perspective and suggestions. It helps alot

[latent path]

Wait nvm Hisuian Decidueye dies fast

I forgot he’d probably run better with a focus sash

[dapper crag]

Move: Snatch

If another Pokemon uses certain non-damaging moves this turn, the user steals that move to use itself. If multiple Pokemon use one of those moves this turn, the applicable moves are all stolen by the first Pokemon in turn order that used this move this turn. This effect is ignored while the user is under the effect of Sky Drop.

Type

Dark

Category

Status

Power

0

Accuracy

—

PP (max)

10 (16)

Priority

4

Move Flags

​

Protect

Bypasses Protect-like moves.

Authentic

Bypasses substitute.

Contact

Does not make contact.

SableyeBot version 4.25.0

[fast plume]

Guys, is victreebel good in sun with chlorophyll?

[timber falcon]

is this priority?

nvm

bro snatch just might be the ultimate tailwind counter

[nocturne holly]

Cindy with court change was a thing

still too unreliable

https://pokepast.es/c261c64eeead1dd3 thoughts? What could I do for the last slots

[timber falcon]

it illegal 😦

[viscid shoal]

Ogerpon wellspring

[viscid shoal]

There's a bunch of other viable pokemon, you could add flutter, raging bolt, pretty much whatever you want

[keen karma]

Got my 0atk walking wake

[keen karma]

Would paotei work?

Or strictly paonite

[karmic temple]

Paotei works as well

[timber falcon]

guys for hitmon top do i run stab mach punch or bullet punch steel tera?

[karmic temple]

P2 is so much fun I forgot how much I loved this duck

Gonna have to shiny hunt a cute marked one for a tr team now

[cyan smelt]

i feel p2 is underlooked so far

[karmic temple]

I’ve been really enjoying it on showdown so far

[nocturne holly]

latias is that girl tho

latias is so flexible it’s insane

[cyan smelt]

gotta say that tera poison is nice for that lando-i immunity

[keen karma]

It for sure is

[nocturne holly]

Fr and you can outspeed and threaten the ohko

I’m running icy wind instead of ice beam tho

[cyan smelt]

no tr?

[nocturne holly]

Latias doesn’t learn tr

[dapper crag]

[Latest Gen] Latias

Trick Room:

• Latias does not learn Trick Room in Generation 9

SableyeBot version 4.25.0

Move: Trick-or-Treat

Causes the Ghost type to be added to the target, effectively making it have two or three types. Fails if the target is already a Ghost type. If Forest's Curse adds a type to the target, it replaces the type added by this move and vice versa.

Type

Ghost

Category

Status

Power

0

Accuracy

100

PP (max)

20 (32)

Move Flags

​

Mirror

Copied by Mirror Move.

Contact

Does not make contact.

Reflectable

Affected by Magic Coat and Magic Bounce.

SableyeBot version 4.25.0

[cyan smelt]

no i meant p2

[nocturne holly]

P2 doesn’t always need tr

It can work on balance

[cyan smelt]

i've barely seen any hydrapple

[timber falcon]

Malamar and hydraple quite common though

[cyan smelt]

thought that was just a lame gimmick lmao

[astral gazelle]

Hydrapple outside of trick room is tough

[timber falcon]

Nah it’s scary, when against it today, imagine a trick room Draco and leafy storm hydrapple just barraging you

They start with farigaraff and malamar too, blocking priority

[cyan smelt]

what tera for malamar?

[timber falcon]

It was fire

Sashed too

[cyan smelt]

oof

urshifu can handle that

[timber falcon]

Yeah cause they defo won’t switch into hydrapple

[cyan smelt]

if i come up against it i'll just rain dance surging strikes

[timber falcon]

Yeah, the only way to get through that team is to brute force

[drifting trail]

i built a team but i need some input

https://pokepast.es/78668141aaa21d3d

im only using alola mons

mimikyu is the last thing i added and im not sure ab it

[cyan smelt]

you need some form of speed control on your team

[drifting trail]

well i toucannon

have**

[cyan smelt]

they're all quite slow though, you should have tr on mimikyu just in case you want to go with a slow mode

[drifting trail]

the curse of alola mons. all so slow

what is tr a abrevation for?

[cyan smelt]

trick room

[drifting trail]

ah yes

do u think maybe theres a better mon than mimikyu

[cyan smelt]

from alola?

[drifting trail]

yes

[next stump]

does it have to be specifically introduced in alola or just a pokemon in that pokedex

[craggy swan]

any reason your not running parting shot?

[drifting trail]

has to be a mon from gen 7

[cyan smelt]

malamar might work for tr

[drifting trail]

so even melmetal would count tho i dont think hes in the game

[next stump]

a new pokemon in gen 7 or a pokemon that was usable in gen 7

[drifting trail]

malamar is gen 6

new

[cyan smelt]

maybe sashed whimsicott

[drifting trail]

well i added fake out just recently i was debating between that or parting

[next stump]

Oranguru TR IMO is the only way you make a decent team

[drifting trail]

i cant man. alola only

[craggy swan]

take out darkest and put parting

[drifting trail]

ah yes hes in the game

do i do anything with instruct

[next stump]

like Tsareena Oranguru with TR sweepers in the back like Primarina

[drifting trail]

i think thats his gimick right

[next stump]

and Araquanid

[drifting trail]

i gotchu

[drifting trail]

yes thats good advice

[cyan smelt]

i forgot whimsicott wasn't from alola

[craggy swan]

2 gens lower

[cyan smelt]

kalos right

[drifting trail]

unova

[cyan smelt]

oh

[timber falcon]

fairy from unova???

that aint possible

[drifting trail]

yeah added the type later

happpened to lots of mons

azumarill got it too i think

[timber falcon]

oh ok

[spice harbor]

Yo my Smeargle with burning bulwark been making folks rage quit lol

[cyan smelt]

and didn't they debut sylveon when they introduced the fairy type

[drifting trail]

yes

[cyan smelt]

i ran into a smeargle with transform lmao

and another one with bright powder and minimise

[viscid shoal]

Sacred sword go brr

[cyan smelt]

kowtow cleave too

[lucid jasper]

What do yall think i can change to make this team better https://pokepast.es/c48906877abf0ac8 not sold on kingambit although it has come in clutch a few games and has helped my tr matchup

[charred saddle]

ohohoho a team very similar to mine

[next stump]

this looks like a very solid standard team, what problems have you been having

[lucid jasper]

Tr and chien pao + strong priority attackers mostly

[lucid jasper]

Whats your team?

[charred saddle]

oh we had different approaches tho, and its a reg E team

just saw that 4 of the mon is the same and had an idea to change hisui arcanine —> incin

did you mean TR as in Psyspams or TR in general

since for psyspams i tend to lead gambit + H arcanine, let them set TR, and when it wanna click E force, just swap in rilla

changing terrain, pressure FO next turn

if they do switch indeedee expecting a grass terrain switch, its basically a passive turn. and Gambit doesnt get hit by E force, you might get hit by Heatwave. but with AV u will surely live

for strong prio attackers like paonite (as i played the team in Reg E)

i do have waterpon redirection to deal with that and lead waterpon and fluttermane