But if I use sun I'd probably use raging bolt and gouging fire
#competitive_discussion
smoky hawk
keen karma
But if I use sun I'd probably use raging bolt and gouging fire
It dies regardless
Unless you outspeed and stomping 1 shots
weak dune
Wonder if you could use metagross in a rain core to help offset his fire weakness
mighty stump
People knowing your moves makes less of an impact than you think
gentle cragBOT
People knowing your moves makes less of an impact than you think
woodtofu has given 1 Gen Rep to mankaryouz
keen karma
Tofu are you familiar with how to run walking wake?
Like what mons i keep thinking annihilape whims or torn but like i just dont know
supple ether
Walking wake is officially legal 
cyan smelt
where can i find the legal pokemon list?
molten oasis
Tofu are you familiar with how to run walking wake?
You run walking wake with whims or torn for weather boost
My top 60 fav Pokémon, I got bored and I will now be doing shinies
dire ibex
I’ve been thinking of running electric tera thunder punch blaziken anyone think this would be good or no?
acoustic harness
So if I’m running my Incin in a rain team would Utility Umbrella be worth it so my Flare Blitz isn’t super limp?
mighty stump
So if I’m running my Incin in a rain team would Utility Umbrella be worth it so ...
Not really
Just be aware of when you're setting Rain
fallen shore
Any good websites that give pokemon builds for comp? As pikalytics doesn't have pokemon such as Primarina
mighty stump
No place is going to have Regulation F sets
Since the format isn't out
Only thing that can be done is to make your own sets, as sometimes builds also come from twitter accounts
that generally distribute spreads
but only for specific expected metamons
chrome knot
is it smart to think 2-4 turns ahead or play in the moment
mighty stump
If you're playing in the moment you're also considering the next 2-4 turns
chrome knot
i try to create too many lines in my head and then just secret third option happens
mighty stump
Gotta just reconsider what your safest play is regardless of what the next turn will yield
Consider the current options they have
You should have already identified your win-conditions before the match has even started and on turn 1
fallen shore
No place is going to have Regulation F sets
YouTube I noticed usually has people putting builds in
mighty stump
Youtube is meh
0 guarantee the sets are even going to be good
Most of the time it's done for content too.
nimble epoch
Have a quick question making a hard trick room team and currently have Hatterene, Indeedee, Araquanid, Urshifu single strike and was just wondering who would you recommend for the last 2 Pokémon
mighty stump
Ursaluna, Iron Crown.
nimble epoch
Why iron crown?
mighty stump
Psyspam fast mode.
nimble epoch
Wdym
mighty stump
? Its a fast mode for psyspam? Expanding Force? You have Indeedee.
HTR teams still have a fast mode as insurance.
nimble epoch
Ah okay I had Urshifu so thought that was enough but wasn’t sure
Personally I don’t find my Psychic Terrain lasts very long
mighty stump
Just gotta cycle it better or end games before it stops lasting.
molten oasis
Fast mode psyspam is funny until incineroar shows up
nimble epoch
I usually start with Indeedee to help get trick room off then usually come t2 they switch out to get rid of my Terrain
mighty stump
Then either you need to identify Turn 1s where you don't need Indeedee immediately or switch on Turn 2
Rather than always sacrificing Indeedee
Especially if you see Rillabooms
nimble epoch
Rillabooms and Incineroar are in most of my games
molten oasis
Well, that makes sense
molten oasis
Don’t lead indeedee if rilla is there imo
mighty stump
You control the tempo of the game anyways if you play HTR on turn 1 at least
mighty stump
Don’t lead indeedee if rilla is there imo
Also not true
Sometimes yo have to, which is why you need to perform pre-emptive switches and pressure quickly
molten oasis
That’s my whole thought process around it
nimble epoch
Would Farigiraf be better then Hatterene for TR setter or keep Hatterene
molten oasis
Yea that’s fair, sometimes you need follow me
molten oasis
Would Farigiraf be better then Hatterene for TR setter or keep Hatterene
You need indeedee for terrain setting
mighty stump
You misread it
mighty stump
If you have Urshifu/Araquanid you should at least be fine
molten oasis
As a setter I think Fari is great but it’s all it does atm
And turns off drain punch
nimble epoch
What’s your team?
Right now I have Hatterene, Indeedee F, Araquanid and Urshifu single
molten oasis
And prevents prio Yk what I’m stupid lmfao
molten oasis
Right now I have Hatterene, Indeedee F, Araquanid and Urshifu single
You could add armarouge and then do Fari if you wanted
mighty stump
Over Urshifu-Single
molten oasis
Kingambit is great we like gambit
nimble epoch
Works for me tbh I wanted to slot him in anyways but wasn’t sure cause Urshifu
molten oasis
Fair
nimble epoch
I’ve never used Iron Crown so really not sure how he plays
molten oasis
Iron crown is fast mode psyspam, you just don’t set tr
It’s more immediate than tr psyspam is
although I wouldn’t do kingambit and crown
nimble epoch
Who would you suggest for my other 2 slots
mighty stump
Answer doesn't change
Unless you remove Araquanid then id run Torkoal just because.
molten oasis
Mhmm
mighty stump
Which allows you to run Lillikoal
molten oasis
Lilikoal psyspam with hat kingambit sounds like it go hard
molten oasis
Also, is lili better than venu?
mighty stump
Yes, simply cause its faster
nimble epoch
lol I just found Araquanid fun
molten oasis
Araquanid does 1 thing well I think, water damage
mighty stump
Barely, doesn't even OHKO Incin
summer shore
Anita max wynn
nimble epoch
By lilikoal you meant hisui Liligant right
molten oasis
By lilikoal you meant hisui Liligant right
Yes
Lilikoal hat psyspam crown and single strike sounds decent
nimble epoch
So you’re recommending Indeedee F, Hatterene, Kingbit, Hisui Liligant, and Urshifu?
molten oasis
And Torkoal yes
molten oasis
Iron crown could work over gambit if you want a fast mode Mon with lilikoal
nimble epoch
Eh I like gambit not a huge fan of Iron Crown
molten oasis
Fair
nimble epoch
Granted I’m not a huge fan of paradox or legendary
mighty stump
I only base recommendations on what's good
nimble epoch
Completely makes sense
mighty stump
I don't really apply my personal feelings on that matter
Cause otherwise it feels false
and i'd tell everyone to stop running Tornadus
molten oasis
Id tell everyone to throw mane in the trash
(Fluttermane is the bane of my fucking existence)
nimble epoch
Personally for me I just try to avoid using an entire team of paradox and legendaries I usually will allow 1 of each on a team but that’s about it
nimble epoch
So you’re recommending Indeedee F, Hatterene, Kingbit, Hisui Liligant, and Urshi...
Was this Single or rapid Urshifu
molten oasis
Single
It’s not a bad thing to run multiple paradox and legends, it’s good to use the good mons if they would do good
Like fluttermane is a very slappable Mon for example so that suggestion will pop up a lot
nimble epoch
It is I just prefer to make it a bit interesting nothing against the meta I just don’t like using an entire team of nothing but legendaries and paradox
I mostly use Rain Teams and HTR so like trying different things
molten oasis
It is I just prefer to make it a bit interesting nothing against the meta I just...
Fair, I had the preference too, just realized my teams were kinda bad without some of them
And then now I build teams avoiding fluttermane at all cost like an idiot 🫠
nimble epoch
Definitely don’t mind using some of them also some are an exception and found that I enjoy using
I really enjoy using Urshifu have since Sword and shield I also kinda like using Iron Hands a bit
molten oasis
Mhmm
nimble epoch
Alright that’s what pikalytics showed
molten oasis
don’t, pika will tell you the most common flutter set is 252 252 stuff (which is objectively wrong) Pika helps tho. Munchstats is better. There’s one other I just don’t remember the name of it
mighty stump
252/252/4 Flutter only applies to Sash
molten oasis
Yep
nimble epoch
Never heard of Munchstats I’ll check it out
mighty stump
Munchstats gets trawled for pikalytics though.
molten oasis
Oh it does? 
mighty stump
Lol
nimble epoch
I haven’t done much vgc since shield and sword so got to get use to some of the changes and current Pokémon Tera typing is still throwing me off a bit lmao
molten oasis
What’s the other one then tofu?
mighty stump
Pokestats.
molten oasis
Use that volk
nimble epoch
That one is better?
molten oasis
Yes
nimble epoch
Does it show Tera typing
molten oasis
Id assume so?
nimble epoch
Pikalytics doesn’t so was just checking
Do you have a link? I might be on the wrong thing
strange fjord
Do you have a link? I might be on the wrong thing
When smogon usage stats drop for reg f, (which should be around the beginning of the new year) munchstats will have tera types along with it.
Here's a link to munchstats: https://www.munchstats.com
and to the Pokestats: https://pokestats.pucko.info/pokeStats/
Both are only up to reg e right now
but i may or may not have early tera data stats for new/returning pokemon if you have anything specific in mind
nimble epoch
Doesn’t seem like pokestats has evs
strange fjord
munchstats has evs but not for reg f until the monthly update for usage stats occur
nimble epoch
Alrighty was checking cause Indeedee says ev of 252 HP and 252 def which is what I have
dapper crag
SableyeBot version 4.25.0
limpid trench
could any1 help me w the process of ev/iv training a pokemon
i have a munchlax i wanna train but idk the steps to it
charred saddle
IV training is just hypertraining it with bottle cap in montenevera
you go there and theres a man next to abomasnow, talk to that guy
for EV training, you can gain EV from wild pokemons, but its a bit tedious to do so (but its free)
other ways you can do is using vitamins, theres like specific vitamins for each stats like carbos for Speed
Each vitamins gives out exactly 10 EVs, while feathers does the same, it gave out 1 EV
max Evs u can have on each mon is 510, and 252 max on 1 stat
so its better to put in 25 vitamins + 2 feathers
dapper crag
SableyeBot version 4.25.0
minor fossil
Thought Luxray was faster than this
dapper crag
SableyeBot version 4.25.0
dapper crag
SableyeBot version 4.25.0
broken grove
You should have already identified your win-conditions before the match has even...
Bro my brains barely handle the situation thats unfolding let alone this
fallen garden
Yall am I misreading or is Volcanion banned
That's not typical, right? Or has it always been treated as a restricted?
cyan smelt
volcanion is a mythical and mythicals have never been legal in vgc
next stump
^
broken grove
Guys if I change a mons nature by a mint, does it transfer over to other games with the new nature?
silk stream
Yup
Also, just looking for some advice. Looking to build a team with Latias, Ogerpon (any mask) and kingambit. Are there any mons I should look at adding. It'd be a balance type set up, with latias being a Tailwind support. Maybe just play the meta with incin, Rapid ursh? Then a fluttermane.
tepid fiber
can i have some help with my team
astral gazelle
🎄
tepid fiber
agian 😂
dull ibex
hello
tepid fiber
what a good partner for raging bolt
astral gazelle
Also, just looking for some advice. Looking to build a team with Latias, Ogerpon...
So much priority going around u might need 2 run some stats to see if it gets oko from king gambit / single strike sucker punch
silk stream
So much priority going around u might need 2 run some stats to see if it gets ok...
Was playing some showdow
And with 1 swords dance, it 1 hit a majority of threats
astral gazelle
That ik
I’m talking about trying to use latias
Without the sword stance to see if it’s possible to use
tepid fiber
what should i partner with raging bolt to give the team abit of consistency
astral gazelle
what should i partner with raging bolt to give the team abit of consistency
Truthfully idk does any mon get prankster e terrain
Maybe a Pokémon with follow me helping hand?
cyan smelt
thundurus gets prankster e-terrain
cyan smelt
thundurus is electric/flying
tepid fiber
ye i ment moves that don’t affect ground
bold geode
Wishing comp chat a Merry Christmas
tidal blade
astral gazelle
“ you serve no purpose “- LTG
lilac iris
six krookodiles >>>>>
bold geode
?
feral scarab
Who wants to grind some BP points with me
bold geode
Doing Christmas stuff now
cyan smelt
feral scarab
Yessir
feral scarab
<#1187213102647873567>
Yessir
next stump
what should i partner with raging bolt to give the team abit of consistency
raging bolt really likes having rillaboom to deal with ground type damage, incin intimidate can also give bolt a lot more survivability on the physical side
you also will want some kind of answer into Lando-I, which can be something like Urshifu-R (preferably scarf otherwise it loses hard to flutter), Iron Bundle, etc.
bold geode
you also will want some kind of answer into Lando-I, which can be something like...
Torn Shifu 
tepid fiber
mmg i have lando i ininc and raging bolt on my team rn
tbh torn is soo basic don’t feel like using it
next stump
bundle + lando i is a nice combo
icy wind + lando move is usually a one shot
flutter can survive the double up though which makes it hard
tepid fiber
but lando i with nasty plot helping hand poison move one shot it it 222.5 percent heath to flutter
to i oko it
but idk
the problem with bundle is he can get taped and he would be dead
gentle notch
Merry Christmas to all that celebrate😁. I would like to ask who should take the last 2 spots? https://pokepast.es/c266e3b3a7fce087
late sigil
Is there any benefit to use Garchomp over Lando?
next stump
getting up a nasty plot on lando is near impossible
and even if you do, you get outsped by flutter on two consecutive turns
astral gazelle
I think I figured out something hydreigon can do that most other dragons can’t do
I think this team is legit
tepid fiber
getting up a nasty plot on lando is near impossible
mmmg what should i switch nast plot with
mighty stump
Wishing comp chat a Merry Christmas
Merry Christmas
mighty stump
getting up a nasty plot on lando is near impossible
It was alright if you ran Sitrus + Friend Guard + Tera Poison Lando-I but at that point you ask is it worth it
mighty stump
I think I figured out something hydreigon can do that most other dragons can’t d...
This is just a regulation A set.
You have bulk invested on Torn with Sash
astral gazelle
Tornadus is not allowed in a
mighty stump
Amoonguss is wasting EVs
astral gazelle
Need 2 fix the spreads
mighty stump
Tornadus is not allowed in a
Set. Not team.
You probbaly need to alter Flutter EVs and Tera as well
If you're going Booster Spe its better to run Icy Wind
astral gazelle
Kk
mighty stump
Since you're sacrificing offense without running Moonblast for spread
so Icy Wind can give your mons some utility
I wouldn't really want to run Metagross with EQ because of Rillaboom
molten oasis
What’s happening here?
mighty stump
Nothing much, just replied to Monke's Christmas message and some mild corrections
astral gazelle
Sounds good I didn’t really work on the spreads I just picked the default ones smoggon comes up with
mighty stump
Ah, you can probably reference Pikalytics although you'll hahve to wait a few more days
Other websites include Munchstats and Pokestats
But those also have to wait
But things like Arcanine/Flutter Mane/Amoonguss can be taken already
Since theyre prominent in Regulation E
astral gazelle
Still hydra can outspeed with tailwind and with the set I picked out
Is the only dragon that can drop dracos without repercussion
molten oasis
Hydrapple?
astral gazelle
Hydreigon
molten oasis
Are you scope lens?
astral gazelle
Building 3 teams for regulation E
astral gazelle
Are you scope lens?
Yes
molten oasis
mk
astral gazelle
The new dragons are slow
mighty stump
Yeah that was a thing in Reg A. Only thing being you'll have a rough time against Flutter Mane/Pao priority
and some Draco crits don't guarantee a KO
astral gazelle
Yeah just need a guaranteed way to ko fluttermane
molten oasis
The new dragons are slow
The new dragons are also a lot better
Than hydreigon is atm
astral gazelle
Some are
mighty stump
Archaludon and Raging Bolt does check Urshifu a lot better
molten oasis
except Hydrapple, they’re closer than raging bolt and hydreigon are
mighty stump
Like this crit niche is fine, but eh
id also probably reocmmend Tera Poison over Fire only because Urshifu exists still
and at least it lets you dodge Lando-I better
molten oasis
(I’m on the side that Hydrapple is better than hydreigon as it works as a check for shifu)
mighty stump
Seeing as Levitate + Tera Poison helps against Lando-I
Which ironically, Lando-I helps against itself
molten oasis
Mhmm
molten oasis
What is with that? I keep seeing that with Hydrapple I don’t understand it
Like what is it getting from sun
astral gazelle
What is with that? I keep seeing that with Hydrapple I don’t understand it
I’ll show u a team I made up that I like a lot
Pls don’t comment on the spreads it was rushed
molten oasis
K
astral gazelle
mighty stump
What is with that? I keep seeing that with Hydrapple I don’t understand it
Probably just Hydrapple + Sun TR carrying it
Rather than actually achieving anything in sun
molten oasis
Probably just Hydrapple + Sun TR carrying it
So Hydrapple would exist on the team but not actually do anything?
astral gazelle
Nah on sun teams solar beam goes hard
molten oasis
Mhmm
mighty stump
So Hydrapple would exist on the team but not actually do anything?
Not that I can imagine
astral gazelle
- the 30% chance for double dmg can also put in work
Under trickroom + follow me support it can do much
molten oasis
I don’t think Hydrapple is a great hard tr Mon personally. There’s just better mons for it and it gets easily overshadowed
Like yes it has a good speed for it, in that spot realistically I’d rather have amoonguss
astral gazelle
Also a good choice
molten oasis
Or have my grass slot be lili for a fast mode (with tork)
astral gazelle
When I was making the team I was going back and forth between them
But idk having 2 redirect user on a team felt a bit overkill to me
Spore is good everyone knows that
molten oasis
They can be good in different situations
astral gazelle
Yeah that ik too
I was also thinking hydrapple could make more of the rock slides/ dracos miss
Trust I really went back and forth between the 2 idk hydrapple is just different
bold geode
They can be good in different situations
Merry Christmas Drago 
molten oasis
kindred cypress
What ev’s do I need for weezing
nocturne holly
merry christmas 🎄
mighty stump
Depends. Usually HP and SpDef investment then Def
Since you're mainly physically bulky.
karmic temple
Merry chrysanthemum
chrome knot
happy easter
tepid fiber
Untitled 1
wraith jay
https://pokepast.es/b1f380e5fd78e636
Changed some mons but now I don't know who I could put down in my last slot
I was thinking I needed a fast mon
kindred cypress
Untitled 1
https://pokepast.es/1ff62ab2ac495b51
Lando is pure aids, you don’t need psychic
tepid fiber
he’s class
mighty stump
Doesn't really add much to a discussion to say that
kindred cypress
https://pokepast.es/b1f380e5fd78e636
Changed some mons but now I don't know who...
Maybe teal ogrepon
mighty stump
I really don't see anything stopping you from just throwing Lando-I on there and Urshi-Water over Primarina
but overall id trade out U-turn for Fake Out cause you're not a bulky Rillaboom; you're not going for pivots with this
If you're going Poison Incin your EV spread would probably want to be tailored towards Lando-I rather than Urshi-Water
kindred cypress
What does she do here
Speed boost on Tera
You wanted a fast Mon
Also defiant with all the intimidates now
mighty stump
Teal-Ogerpon wouldnt' really add anything other than severe overlap offensively and defensively with Rillaboom.
So I'd just go with Lando-I
The team doesn't care about Intimidate if you have Archaludon and Primarina.
Can never go wrong with Flutter or Gholdengo either.
mighty stump
Prim is fine
wraith jay
Awesome
mighty stump
It just makes sense in my head as Urshi-Water does the same thing and bypasses protect if you wanted a faster mode since equalised TW board states are going to be common
If you're going Calm Mind
I'd recommend running Goggles or Lefties
wraith jay
Yeah I suppose that makes sense
mighty stump
Plus you'd want Tera Grass either or defensively
kindred cypress
Quick question about weezing, do I need specific ivs?
mighty stump
No.
tepid fiber
Lando is pure aids, you don’t need psychic
ik but dk what else to run on him
kindred cypress
His other form
Then rock slide, stomping tantrum, Tera blast (flying), u turn
And change his ev’s from spa to atk
wraith jay
Does Lando-I run max max special?
mighty stump
max max special.
wraith jay
Alright
mighty stump
His other form
What's your reasoning for recommending this on the comp
kindred cypress
Double intimidate, quick swaps
kindred cypress
Good point
mighty stump
and overall now weaker also to opposing Intimidate + Fake Out cycling teams
kindred cypress
I hardly see the other form on lando, but if he’s good now I wouldn’t have known
Mb
mighty stump
Double Intimidate in another metagame would probably be beneficial but i'd already be extremely wary
tepid fiber
so what do i run on him ??
mighty stump
EP/Sandsear/Sludge Bomb/Protect with LO Tera Poison
Some have chosen to forego one of the Ground STABs for something like Substitute.
Sheer Force is also the chosen ability.
tepid fiber
mmh thanks
astral gazelle
Flutter mane is the only legit fairy going around right
kindred cypress
Flutter mane is the only legit fairy going around right
For offensive plays yes, but we are getting a lot more mons
astral gazelle
Just thinking about my metagross set
Looks like I only need 2 calc for flutter mane
Need that oko for my team to float
kindred cypress
What Tera would be best for iron boulder?
tepid fiber
can one of u help me build rest of my team
bold geode
Kingambit:
Annihilape:
Shhh shhh
Lemme win man
runic bloom
i just won regionals
bold geode
Nice try, wasn't even a regionals this weekend
strange fjord
I just won against the top champion 😉
silk stream
Out of curiosity. Anyone made a Iron crown team yet?
bold geode
Guys I just won Worlds, I'm cracked
strange fjord
I've seen a few around
strange fjord
Guys I just won Worlds, I'm cracked
yoooooo same
bold geode
Lmao
Aight let's stop now lol
strange fjord
Out of curiosity. Anyone made a Iron crown team yet?
usually seen them do expanding force spam
silk stream
usually seen them do expanding force spam
Ya. Just curious what other mons they're using. Not used a psy spam team before
bold geode
Yeah it's fast Psyspam usually, some do it with Annihilape too
strange fjord
Indeedee is a must
bold geode
And go like Beat Up shit
But the main idea is Psyspam
Other mons can include normal Psyspam pieces like Armarouge or Hatterene for example
Or it can include TW mode like Torn Shifu
Depends on you
strange fjord
ooh i got a special tool that scouts replays and finds the best performing team for a specific Pokemon. lemme give you some replays that can give you some ideas
silk stream
So literally just slap crown and Indeedee into an already working core
bold geode
Well I wouldn't really just slap anything (maybe other than Incineroar but)
Make sure what you do still has some cohesion
silk stream
Well I wouldn't really just slap anything (maybe other than Incineroar but)
What about iron bundle
It looks so slapable
silk stream
So probs something like. Crown, indeedee, incin, rilla, ursh, latias
bold geode
I mean if we're talking slap across the face then maybe but
strange fjord
heres a replay ft iron crown
bold geode
So probs something like. Crown, indeedee, incin, rilla, ursh, latias
Basically
Actually nah something other than Rilla
bold geode
Sure
smoky hawk
Merry Christmas everyone 🎅 🎄
silk stream
https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2024regf-2015314112
So much switching haha, both of u trying to keep terrain control
strange fjord
Another replay ft iron crown: https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2024regf-2018100197
silk stream
Feels like watching a jujutsu Domain fight xD
strange fjord
with a different kind of team
silk stream
Stella Crown seems odd
Since u want to spam. Maybe they had tera blast or something as well
silk stream
with a different kind of team
But cheers tho, good to watch
gentle cragBOT
But cheers tho, good to watch
mas.n has given 1 Gen Rep to pizza.time
strange fjord
its good to have references of a pokemon being used in battle. could give you ideas!
smoky hawk
Sun teams have trouble
Whimsicott sounds good because it has sunny day and Tailwind but it might die turn 1 or get taunted
So how do you do both moves reliably each game?
Lead Torkoal and Whimsicott?
strange fjord
Eject Button on whim to safe swap into tokoal and u-turn if you get taunted?
Maybe Tornadus instead? Doesn't torn also get sunny day, plus is a bit bulkier than whim?
nocturne holly
Eject Button on whim to safe swap into tokoal and u-turn if you get taunted?
Whims really wants sash
nocturne holly
Maybe Tornadus instead? Doesn't torn also get sunny day, plus is a bit bulkier t...
Yup basically
You could you send the paste and we could help
strange fjord
not my team lol other person was asking for suggestions/help
dull ibex
Hello comp chat
nocturne holly
Whimsicott sounds good because it has sunny day and Tailwind but it might die tu...
You really want sash and protect on whims IMO
If you have FO support that helps too
dull ibex
Tw moonblast protect sunny day/taunt/encore/whatever
pearl wind
Hello comp chat
near crag
Does life orb work with chien-pao? Bc I also have a whimsicott in my team, so I cant give sash
nocturne holly
Does life orb work with chien-pao? Bc I also have a whimsicott in my team, so I ...
Yea LO can work on chien
I’ve used it before and had fun with it
mighty stump
Whimsicott can definitely run Covert Cloak/Mental Herb though
People just haven't calc'd a set
Well I have, it's possible
So it depends if you want to keep sash or run Covert
kindred cypress
Could whimsicotts pre eve possibly work
mighty stump
Nope
You're not playing it for THAT much bulk
Plus you still want the speed and offense of the evolution
smoky hawk
You really want sash and protect on whims IMO
I'm thinking to also lead torkoal eject pack and hilligant
T1 protect lilli and torkoal Overheat
T2 after you on the other mon such as specs flutter
mighty stump
Clicking After You seems a bit of a waste rather than being able to double a slot
mighty stump
Bad, pointless, was never worth bringing up.
summer geyser
Good talk
nocturne holly
Clicking After You seems a bit of a waste rather than being able to double a slo...
- you get a safe switch into your other Mon
bold geode
Hello comp chat
Merry Christmas sir
smoky hawk
Clicking After You seems a bit of a waste rather than being able to double a slo...
I have to test it
Sun will allow me to use the new past paradoxes to their fullest
smoky hawk
I started using it right before he won that regional lol
mighty stump
Rather than requiring After You, Flutter Mane is more than likely fast enough while being able to pressure a threatening slot with Sleep Powder
smoky hawk
Unless they lead with Tailwind. So I'll have after you as an option
tepid fiber
can u help me build rest of my team
smoky hawk
can u help me build rest of my team
Got a team idea to get us started?
tribal garnet
Is there a site or place where I can find rental teams and search by Pokemon? Sorta like this? Apart from the rental team sub
mighty stump
Is there a site or place where I can find rental teams and search by Pokemon? So...
Pins. Theres a repository
VictoryRoadVGC also displays OTS of teams
LibertyNote if you're willing to try and translate Japanese.
Youtube but i'd only consider CybertronVGC
or TalonVGC's twitter page.
tribal garnet
Cause I just wanna look for EV builds for Terapagos
mighty stump
That won't exist.
EVs tend to only exist for existing metagames. Unless you want to check the Ubers page of Smogon.
keen karma
Pins. Theres a repository
Is there one for reg f?
smoky hawk
not shore on the evs rn tbh
Not bad on the EVs. Sunny day over rain dance would be more helpful
mighty stump
https://x.com/serebiinet/status/1739073973055611168?s=46&t=NSIK9f9OViHUJnm37QZcEQ
Enjoy the Drayton format
weak dune
Anyone tried using Archaludon with a mixed rain/trick room setup?
weak dune
This is my question lol. It feels like it could but I’m not very good at this tuff so I’m turning to the experts.
astral gazelle
Archaludon isn’t even that slow
Im dumb af I can’t even think of any slow water types
Ik they exist
smoky hawk
https://x.com/serebiinet/status/1739073973055611168?s=46&t=NSIK9f9OViHUJnm37QZcE...
Hmmm Drayton pissed me off by throwing that curveball. So I didn't feel bad about sweeping with Lapras a-ninetales perish song aurora veil and protects
However I doubt that'll work well in this competition
tepid fiber
Hmmm Drayton pissed me off by throwing that curveball. So I didn't feel bad abou...
can u help with my team now plx
keen karma
Do people run sash urshifu rapid
tepid fiber
nah i don’t think
keen karma
I think i might run t
tepid fiber
people use to do it
mighty stump
Do people run sash urshifu rapid
Some, rarely
smoky hawk
can u help with my team now plx
Maybe add another sun abuser like flutter or h-lilligant. Chien pao with sacred sword I think will be useful against archaludon
keen karma
Some, rarely
Is it bad or like it could work
tepid fiber
Maybe add another sun abuser like flutter or h-lilligant. Chien pao with sacred ...
it is flexible my team so do what u want to it and i’ll try it
fast plume
Can we use entei paradox in the next regulation?
tepid fiber
ye
fast plume
@tepid fiber nice, have to rush the pokedex then
tepid fiber
😂
sudden geyser
Hi, wanted to ask especially now that new season is around the corner, any place where i can check theorycrafted teams and stuff like that? There are some things like the new paradox pokemon that i havent caught yet just in case some ivs need to be 0 for some reason. Should just ignore that and catch them right away? Afaik none seem to fit trick room but kinda scared to mess up
mighty stump
Hi, wanted to ask especially now that new season is around the corner, any place...
You cant reset for paradox stats anyways
sudden geyser
Oh, they are set in stone? guess i ll just catch them then and worry later
Since there s no item to put ivs to 0 i m always scared of maybe one mon being good in trick room and messing up by not resetting
the more i read them the less i think they fit in trick room so i guess its safe to hyper train them. Havent seen much content regarding them but if there is i d love a link ^^
sudden geyser
You cant reset for paradox stats anyways
also, thanks for answering
gentle cragBOT
also, thanks for answering
patoretsu has given 1 Gen Rep to woodtofu
mighty stump
the more i read them the less i think they fit in trick room so i guess its safe...
Stay tuned I suppose 👁️
sudden geyser
ah its kinda annoying haha but guess i can just wait, would love to have multiple built but since you cant reset ivs once you mess up, you are done for good
some like ursaluna you 100% know they are for trick room so its safe but others not so much
azure citrus
Trying to set up a utility roaring moon, what evs would be best for it?
keen karma
You cant reset for paradox stats anyways
Amazing 🤩 i caught mine immediately though …
even though there were probably gonna be 5 iv 0 atk raids
tepid fiber
what’s best walking wake set ?
forest arrow
Reg hasn’t really started to have a set for it but you could probably run Draco Meteor, Hydro Steam, Flamethrower, Protect, Tera Fire, with Life orb or Booster Energy
Or specs and a forth attacking move is another option
dull ibex
Hello again
bold geode
Hello again
Hello again, but with an hour later response
dull ibex
fr
bold geode
My friend we do the delay response
dull ibex
36 minutes later
polar canyon
Crhs mas
Check out this I made
Not the evs
The evs are obviously not done
Holly jolly team
nocturne holly
https://pokepast.es/2e1f338bc672547f
Psychic noise over psychic and d gleam over hyper voice
nocturne holly
https://pokepast.es/2e1f338bc672547f
Also whims wants protect
Wasting evs on gambit
Eq isn’t too good on landot, rock slide imo
dry basin
Any advice for someone who’s always been curious of competitive? No idea where to start lol
limpid trench
Anyone kno a good spread for venasaur
smoky hawk
Any advice for someone who’s always been curious of competitive? No idea where t...
Do you know how to build competitive teams?
dry basin
Absolutely no idea at all lol
candid stirrup
If EV's are maxed out and the pokemon is not 100, will the EV's change if it is used in battle?
tired sage
i’m actually dying of laughter…
Someone switched in Landorus into my Explosion Eleki 
gentle notch
Should I try it? https://pokepast.es/38db385185ba04a3
nocturne holly
Any advice for someone who’s always been curious of competitive? No idea where t...
Start off with rentals
they’re definitely the best place to start
Teach you game sense and how different parts in teams interact
Once you get confident you can start making teams
#rental_teams has community made rentals for reg e
next reg is gonna be f so the meta is gonna change a ton
echo canyon
I think I’ve got a pretty good Bug Mono Team figured out 😤
smoky hawk
Absolutely no idea at all lol
Check pins for EV training and basics for forming a team
atomic mural
https://pokepast.es/ba7e06e2c5135dd9 what would be best to add next
devout bridge
https://pokepast.es/ba7e06e2c5135dd9 what would be best to add next
I'd say Rillaboom to counter psyspam and iron bundle that will ruin your whole strategy with walking wake
devout bridge
You shouldn't use Tera on it too often but water would work best so you are not destroyed by opposing incineroar
atomic mural
Ok
I feel like incineroar isn’t going to be that good.
It’s not bad obviously
It just has a lot of bad matchups into the newer pokemon
Or just urahifu surging strikes
devout bridge
Maybe it won't be (good) but a lot of people are still going to use it for parting shot almost making you switch out your pokemon
atomic mural
The last pokemon I need is a Pokémon that dosent need to rely on my gimmicks but can work with them
So a Pokémon that works in the sun
devout bridge
Hearthflame ogerpon or raging bolt ogerpon you just use as an all out attacker or raging bolt to counter other tailwind teams
(Tornshifu teams)
atomic mural
I think I’ll go raging bolt
I actually don’t know the best defensive Tera for raging bolt
devout bridge
Fairy for other dragon types
Sometimes electric for attacking but on your team it would benefit with fairy tera
atomic mural
I don’t really know a good ev spread for raging bolt
devout bridge
Go for something bulky and pack a punch I may have a spread
knotty mirage
So the new DLC paradox pokemon gonna be legal on next reg damn
knotty mirage
I wonder which one that gonna be used more then
atomic mural
I’d think raging bolt and waking wake
devout bridge
I'm happy and ready to annoy people with iron crown
Most used definitely raging bolt beyond that up in the air
knotty mirage
Fair booster energy speed psyspam is kinda annoying
atomic mural
Rn I have leftovers with protect, thunderbolt, thunderclap, and draco meteor with Tera fairy
devout bridge
Raging Bolt @ Assault Vest
Ability: Protosynthesis
Level: 50
Tera Type: Fairy
EVs: 124 HP / 92 Def / 180 SpA / 108 SpD / 4 Spe
Modest Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Thunderclap
- Volt Switch
- Draco Meteor
- Snarl
atomic mural
I’m using assault vest on my rillaboom
devout bridge
here is a spread probably have to change a bit
atomic mural
Thank you
devout bridge
use magnet on it instead and put a bit more bulk into it and you should be fine
atomic mural
Imma keep the defense evs the same but put more evs in hp
devout bridge
maybe switch out snarl for thunderbolt other than that should be good
atomic mural
I think I’m going to run protect on it instead of volt switch
I already have u turn and parting shot for pivoting moves I don’t think I need more
devout bridge
yeah and with the speed it would be one of the last to move
atomic mural
I also only have 2 protect Pokémon (not counting raging bolt)
And having protect seems better in my opinion than volt switch
mighty stump
What are the EVs for
Seems rather pointless to give a spread the other party wouldn’t know the thresholds for
Anyways run LO on Bolt
dusky umbra
What should I use for a walking wake sun team? (Sorry I’m really new to competitive)
mighty stump
What should I use for a walking wake sun team? (Sorry I’m really new to competit...
Torn or Whims/Flutter/Walking Wake
Tailwind + Sunny Day, and youre just actively dealing damage and sacrificing mons to just blow stuff up
dusky umbra
ty
dusky umbra
Torn or Whims/Flutter/Walking Wake
By torn you meant tornadus, right?
mighty stump
I do
dusky umbra
I’ll keep that in mind
mighty stump
The rest of the team is dependsnt on what youd like
dusky umbra
Tysm!
mighty stump
Ogerpon Hearthflame/Lando-I/Chi-Yu/Rillaboom
All work
Basically high pressure high damage mons
atomic mural
How good would Tera fire walking wake be
devout bridge
The only downside would be no tera for hydro steam but give grass types like rillaboom a run for their money
dusky umbra
Will Whimsicott/Walking Wake/Rill/Flutter work?
devout bridge
unless a rillaboom runs stomping tantrum
atomic mural
I mean In sun flamethrower kills bulky assault vest rillabooms without terra
mighty stump
Will Whimsicott/Walking Wake/Rill/Flutter work?
yea
mighty stump
How good would Tera fire walking wake be
Like, it works fine
dusky umbra
I’ll swap rilla out then
atomic mural
I think I’ll run Tera water for now
mighty stump
I’ll swap rilla out then
You can also run Incin to have a switch in + Fake Out pressure
since HO teams tend to lack good switch ins
atomic mural
since HO teams tend to lack good switch ins
What does HO mean? (I’m very dumb)
dusky umbra
OH! Didn’t know incin is still good
Again sorry I’m new
What should I put as my last 2 members? (Just asking right now so I don’t have to look for 1 later)
dusky umbra
What does HO mean? (I’m very dumb)
I think it means hyper offense
atomic mural
That makes sense
dusky umbra
Can anyone give me a fluttermane build that works on a sun team?
limpid trench
Can anyone give me a fluttermane build that works on a sun team?
Yo
Any1 kno which stats to invest into venasaur
cyan smelt
hisuian lilligant is better than venusaur
dusky umbra
Hey! Can anyone help me fix my team?
My team rn is a mess, can anyone help me build/fix it?
mighty stump
My team rn is a mess, can anyone help me build/fix it?
- https://pokepast.es/086...
Let me edit it
dusky umbra
Let me edit it
How?
mighty stump
I am editting it right now
dusky umbra
OH! Alright ty
mighty stump
OH! Alright ty
Standard movesets applied and some spreads ripped from Pikalytics
https://pokepast.es/3e7a831a8a278b78
dusky umbra
Standard movesets applied and some spreads ripped from Pikalytics
https://pokepa...
TYSM!
dusky umbra
It's really preliminary but it should function fairly alright
ty!
empty haven
This is very funny but it hurts my head so much
wispy spade
Why would someone run quick claw on the second fastest pokemon this game has?
azure citrus
What’s a good utility setup for roaring moon? Breaking swipe/tailwind/protect/???
mighty stump
What’s a good utility setup for roaring moon? Breaking swipe/tailwind/protect/??...
Knock Off.
azure citrus
Knock Off.
Yea that’s what I was thinking. What about evs? Max invest in HP and attack?
mighty stump
Yea that’s what I was thinking. What about evs? Max invest in HP and attack?
You want Booster Speed to trigger
azure citrus
So speed nature with enough speed to proc the booster
mighty stump
-calc 136x2
gentle cragBOT
Result: 272.000000
mighty stump
-calc 272/1.5
gentle cragBOT
Result: 181.333333
mighty stump
-calc 182x1.5
gentle cragBOT
Result: 273.000000
mighty stump
Just hit 182, max HP and rest in attack
Only cause you can outspeed something like a Gholdengo in Tailwind
to enable your sideslot
as a generalist first draft
azure citrus
Sounds good, thanks a bunch. Just caught a shiny moon finally in my console so I’ve been wanting to set it up for a while now. Seems to really shine as a utility mon
mighty stump
It’s going to have to compete with Latias replacing it in balance teams
and the recent change for Neutralising Gas means Weezing-RM teams are also no longer viable
Which is unfortunate
azure citrus
Oh right, been seeing people hype latias and latios up, did I miss an upgrade those two got that I didn’t initially see?
Other than flip turn on latios
azure citrus
Oh right the signatures both got a hefty buff
Can’t say I have seen any teams revolving around either of them though
mighty stump
Not many have really caught on to Lati-balance yet
knotty mirage
and the recent change for Neutralising Gas means Weezing-RM teams are also no lo...
Change did it got nerfed ?
mighty stump
Change did it got nerfed ?
Well, turns out, the Booster Energy was never supposed to activate paradox abilities if NGas was on the field
So another bug that TPCi let happen
"Oversight" I guess
ember linden
knotty mirage
Well, turns out, the Booster Energy was never supposed to activate paradox abili...
Oh damn that sucks for roaring moon well it fun when it lasted i guess
mighty stump
Eh
Im sure someone will find use for Roaring Moon irregardless
It's still a good statstick
wintry canyon
is minior usable in pvp?
wintry canyon
is minior usable in pvp?
like shell smash power herb meteor beam or something?
mighty stump
Uh
dapper crag
SableyeBot version 4.25.0
mighty stump
I dont deny that you can potentially get a win, but more than likely you prefer White Herb to go with your Shell Smash.
You're required to run Friend Guard/Redirection due to its very poor bulk
fallen garden
Well, turns out, the Booster Energy was never supposed to activate paradox abili...
Do sun and electric terrain still activate them?
timber falcon
anyone got some advice on how to use latios? i managed to get my hands on a shiny one (my fav shiny leg) but i also wanna bring it into regulation f doubles, what moveset is good for it?
mighty stump
Do sun and electric terrain still activate them?
It will deny the activation
atomic mural
https://pokepast.es/1357fc032cb46bac first team i somewhat made myself
fallen garden
Ah so protosynthesis and quark drive were "always" supposed to be turned off
mighty stump
anyone got some advice on how to use latios? i managed to get my hands on a shin...
Latios will probably be more offensively oriented, Calm Mind setup + Mist Ball
That or you can use it in the same way Latias is used on Lati-balance
timber falcon
Latios will probably be more offensively oriented, Calm Mind setup + Mist Ball
you mean luster purge?
bold geode
Does Latios not get TW?
mighty stump
No clue
bold geode
Oh fuck you autocorrect
mighty stump
Id assume
Barring the signature
Should be the same sets, but its not like you want to use Latios for utility
mighty stump
Smeargle wants Sash and give Blaziken Clear Amulet
Flutter still wants Moonblast, you shouldn tbe running Protect Specs
timber falcon
im doing speed bosst stall though, will amulet help that much?
mighty stump
If you're trying to go offensive Latios you don't want to be using Ally Switch.
timber falcon
If you're trying to go offensive Latios you don't want to be using Ally Switch.
ok
my problem is blaziken lacks bulk
mighty stump
You're never getting bulk with Blaziken anyways
timber falcon
yeah i know
mighty stump
If you actually want to lean into that you need to restructure the team
This is like HO but not HO
Smeargle/Suicine is looking out of place relative, with Blaziken and Incin taking up fire slots
I recommend picking a lane to stick to
mighty stump
I don't think it's good anyways
timber falcon
ok
timber falcon
I recommend picking a lane to stick to
what lane do u reccomend?
mighty stump
i like suicunes bulk with tailwind
yeah but the way this team is built, it wants to play HO
Or, you run Balance and actually complete the FWG
timber falcon
yeah but the way this team is built, it wants to play HO
sorry im not good with acronyms, what does HO mean?
timber falcon
oh ok
mighty stump
But the odd options in Suicine/Smeargle hinder the actual overall offensive pressure
timber falcon
so stick to offense? in that case should i bring in whimsicott for smesrgle?
mighty stump
Or you go a real set-up balance team around Blaziken and go from there
timber falcon
Or you go a real set-up balance team around Blaziken and go from there
ok thanks for advice
gentle cragBOT
ok thanks for advice
otot8953 has given 1 Gen Rep to woodtofu
timber falcon
Or you go a real set-up balance team around Blaziken and go from there
By the way what’s better? Booster fluttermane or specs???
mighty stump
Either works
Depends if you want to play with those protects or big damage
It also helps free up Specs for something else if you want to do that
timber falcon
ok thanks ill got with specs cause ive got no one else to use it on
keen karma
https://pokepast.es/351604400b835626 this is my team
Doesnt latios want tw
timber falcon
Doesnt latios want tw
idk ive added whimsicott in my team for that
im thiking sunny day , taunt , tailwind , moonblast , holding sash
strange tendon
Was thinking of running a dragonite in a sand team, is this a bad idea? can I run it normally or do I need goggles?
fervent raven
Was thinking of running a dragonite in a sand team, is this a bad idea? can I ru...
Hmm if you're running multiscale then it may require goggles as I think it'll negate the boost that the ability gives at full hp, either way it sounds like an interesting strategy and it sounds really cool!
strange tendon
oh yeah never thought of that, thanks so much!
next stump
Was thinking of running a dragonite in a sand team, is this a bad idea? can I ru...
doubles or singles?
strange tendon
doubles
next stump
just run inner focus IMO
strange tendon
does that rely on some specific support with it do you think?
next stump
no, inner focus is typically better now anyways because of all the incineroar's running around
strange tendon
im running competitive miltoic for them
next stump
you can never have enough anti-incin tech
strange tendon
v true, thanks ill try both on showdown
umbral elm
Hey i want to try a Serperior contrary stellar type, Leaf Storm/Tera Blast/Substitute/Glaze , i was wondering what EV i had to aim, do i need a 252 252 sp Atck +Spe ? or a more bulky one is prefered
cobalt axle
Guys do you have any poke paste team ideas with Archaludon?
timber falcon
Guys do you have any poke paste team ideas with Archaludon?
population bomb, water shuriken, electro shot + rain bringer, assault vest, many ideas
that i know of at least
mighty stump
Pop Bomb and Water Shuriken are unnecessary
https://pokepast.es/af28905388dbc9d0 This is one I used early Reg F ladder
timber falcon
Pop Bomb and Water Shuriken are unnecessary
im just saying ive seen some ppl use that for body press sweep
mighty stump
I'm pointing out it's unnecessary
Cause you can trigger Stamina on smart switch ins as wel
And it doesnt sacrifice an entire teamslot to run a less optimal mon
timber falcon
ive used whimsicott with it. works wel (beat up)
mighty stump
But the team reached top 10 very early ladder, with Sinistcha being able to improve Archaludon's longevity with constant healing and potentialy provide some form of speed control
And that's fine, but if it's whimsicott id rather be doubling up the opponent with Moonblasts + Flash Cannon.
or Draco.
I wouldn';t dedicate Beat Up solely for Stamina, unless you had other mons that benefit off Beat Up.
Not like Archaludon wants to run fast anyways
mighty stump
Have fun with the translations
It was a useful read but the sets are pretty much what you'd expect
Cobalt an ever worthy source of information
I'll be translating some sets in my upcoming post
keen karma
I translated a bit of it
cobalt axle
Pop Bomb and Water Shuriken are unnecessary
What was usually your lead with this? Incin and grimmsnarl?
mighty stump
Incin/Grimm/Sinistcha/Archaludon are self sufficient as brings
Against Lando-I you just have to be more aware, either bringing Urshifu or Flutter to take it out allowing Archa to win for free.
cobalt axle
Got it thanks btw
keen karma
I'll be translating some sets in my upcoming post
Actually can you link your blog again
bold geode
Fuck I need to do something myself
keen karma
Fuck I need to do something myself
What do you need to do
keen karma
I'm working on it right now for before the end of year
Is it gonna have builds around new mons?
mighty stump
Is it gonna have builds around new mons?
Multiple sets, and some team examples
dull ibex
Hello anyone wanna vc or something.
keen karma
Hello anyone wanna vc or something.
i can
dull ibex
If we get more people
mighty stump
Hello anyone wanna vc or something.
Merry belated Christmas
I'll join for a bit later if my partner falls asleep
dull ibex
Merry belated Christmas tofu
keen karma
am i like a day ahead or like
mighty stump
It's about to be the 27th here
dull ibex
I'll join for a bit later if my partner falls asleep
Dm me when you can, playing spiderman so I might not be looking at discord
mighty stump
Okiedokie
keen karma
why is walking wake so hard to build around
mighty stump
Imagine not being 4 hours into 27th yet
You'll die sooner
keen karma
Imagine not being 4 hours into 27th yet
wtf you're in the future
keen karma
Don't think too hard, HO
https://pokepast.es/c82120a0d9b61b75 so like this kinda
im thinking follow me firepon since its already getting a boost from sun
and maybe i slot on fari here too
or maybe lando over incin
mighty stump
like Wake/Flutter/Gholdengo/Lando/Chi-Yu
Or even something like Single Strike Urshi
dull ibex
Miles morales btw for anyone interested not spiderman 2
keen karma
Miles morales btw for anyone interested not spiderman 2
you have ps5?
keen karma
Or even something like Single Strike Urshi
for chiyu right?
dull ibex
you have ps5?
Nope it's on pc
keen karma
since when was it ported
bold geode
Imagine not being 4 hours into 27th yet
Sihor
dull ibex
Miles morales was port a year ago I think
fallen garden
why 0atk incin? surely foul play isn't such a common worry for it
keen karma
why 0atk incin? surely foul play isn't such a common worry for it
it automatically did that
summer shore
why 0atk incin? surely foul play isn't such a common worry for it
Its because in theory its optimal and showdown auto sets it to 0 typically when uninvested and without a phys attack
mighty stump
Its because in theory its optimal and showdown auto sets it to 0 typically when ...
ur mom is optimal
summer shore
Thanks
mighty stump
yw
keen karma
mighty stump
We are benching 95 tomorrow
Good luck
bold geode
Wow crazy
keen karma
how do you even check how many reps someone has
gentle cragBOT
mighty stump
oh there you go
keen karma
-rep
gentle cragBOT
keen karma
oh wow im helpful
summer shore
-rep
gentle cragBOT
summer shore
Bahaha
mighty stump
lmfao
summer shore
I need to actually farm reps!?
mighty stump
Outfarmed
keen karma
is firepon mid rn i dont think ive seen a team with it
bold geode
I was crazy once
I saw this TikTok where someone did it Luffy was in JJK and his Domain Expansion was Rubber Room
keen karma
I saw this TikTok where someone did it Luffy was in JJK and his Domain Expansion...
I saw one where yuji had to fight gojo to the death
and yuji actually did it that son of a bitch
mighty stump
I saw this TikTok where someone did it Luffy was in JJK and his Domain Expansion...
Check DMs
summer shore
I saw this TikTok where someone did it Luffy was in JJK and his Domain Expansion...
The amount of Ls in One Piece represent how good the series is
mighty stump
The amount of Ls in One Piece represent how good the series is
based
keen karma
The amount of Ls in One Piece represent how good the series is
I dont think one piece has missed once
summer shore
Now this is paradoxical as one might consider OP as a gigantic L in itself
mighty stump
It's missing the finish line
keen karma
honestly tho OPM is miles better
bronze niche
whats better, walking wake or silly iron thorns (real???!?!)
bold geode
One Piece is that dog that just really.......
bronze niche
One Piece is that dog that just really.......
it is
keen karma
Manga and webtoon
bronze niche
read the manga for better pacing
keen karma
read the manga for better pacing
???
summer shore
One Piece is that dog that just really.......
I would make a joke here but I wont
bronze niche
I would make a joke here but I wont
real
bold geode
I would make a joke here but I wont
I was making that joke probably lmao
bronze niche
is boruto really that bad
smoky hawk
Fire tera for wake? Makes flamethrower in sun brutally strong
bold geode
Yup Tofu did it
bronze niche
i mean, the new abilities are cool
keen karma
My degree would come in handy
Uhh what degree is it
mighty stump
Fire tera for wake? Makes flamethrower in sun brutally strong
Sounds about right
keen karma
is boruto *really* that bad
Manga isnt bad
mighty stump
Uhh what degree is it
Veterinary Medicine
summer shore
Yup Tofu did it
No my one was inflammatory
keen karma
Idk why ppl hating on it
bronze niche
Sounds about right
is tera water good for wake? (not using life orb?)
mighty stump
Also technically fine
keen karma
Anime is good when they actually adapt the content
mighty stump
I'd wager its one of the few mons i wouldnt mind running Stellar Tera on either
keen karma
Otherwise some of the filler is interesting but for the most part a waste of time
bold geode
I like OP alright
But you do gotta agree it's real fuckin long
mighty stump
Life Orb would be the go to item imo
keen karma
I like OP alright
But you do gotta agree it's real fuckin long
Its not that bad
mighty stump
You're not trying to stay alive, you're trying to delete things
bronze niche
Life Orb would be the go to item imo
what makes life orb worthwhile
mighty stump
Deleting things
mighty stump
10% of my HP for 100% of yours
summer shore
Specs clears
mighty stump
Seems p good
keen karma
I binged one piece in like 2 weeks when i was on summer break
summer shore
Unfortunately
mighty stump
I wanna click protect shiro
bronze niche
also wouldnt tera water work better if your running w/ torkoal?
mighty stump
ok
summer shore
I wanna click protect shiro
L
keen karma
Specs clears
Booster >
mighty stump
Fire tera just means you get to have a defensive tera
keen karma
Booster feels the best for me
bronze niche
i use torkoal + wake
keen karma
I might just rob pokeguli’s team
bronze niche
its so real seeing mons go from 100% to 0%
mighty stump
Booster feels the best for me
Yeah but if you're triggering proto with sun
can't really make use of Booster
bronze niche
yeah
but just to be certain i always use rocks with torkoal
so that im sure the other mons will die
keen karma
Btw tofu have you seen pokeguli’s wake team
mighty stump
I don't even know who that is
bold geode
If you're doing Sun Wake, Specs that shit
bronze niche
If you're doing Sun Wake, Specs that shit
why not life orb?
mighty stump
I want specs on Flutter Mane
bold geode
Life Orb works too
keen karma
Mb ill send twt
mighty stump
That's Baek
keen karma
mighty stump
Oh this team
mighty stump
For anti Psychic Terrain
keen karma
Oh
mighty stump
and also to prevent Sleeps
keen karma
Oh thats 🔥
mighty stump
Misty Terrain also reduces Dragon Damage
autumn vault
specs misty terrain is so stupid
summer shore
Misty Terrain also reduces Dragon Damage
Most redundant terrain effect 🤣
mighty stump
That's rich coming from someone that repeatedly talks about "toxic meta" at every given opportunity
keen karma
I played the rental but i couldnt waste specs on that
keen karma
might aswell run life orb
Nah
autumn vault
specs makes you not attack until you switch
keen karma
Because psychic terrain seems kinda specific
autumn vault
Nah
you're playing a dangerous GAME BOY (get it because its a game boy, and the line with the consoles attacking each other in a youtube video)
keen karma
Its for the psyspam mus mostly
But i feel that heatran plays that so much better than metagross
autumn vault
Its for the psyspam mus mostly
you barely see it nowadays, besides orb is better if you're running status moves
autumn vault
But i feel that heatran plays that so much better than metagross
plus heatran deals with it so comfortably
keen karma
you barely see it nowadays, besides orb is better if you're running status moves
In this case lorb is better on wake
So no that doesnt work
fairy feather is good though
autumn vault
im not going to reason anymore, use what you want but its a drawback to use specs over lorb with a pokemon with a status move
summer shore
Me when the power of choice is required and yet a utility move would also be well placed: 🤯
mighty stump
also tera steel is also weird pick to me what does whims benefit from it
Resists Bleakwind and Icicle Crash
keen karma
actually specs is still good here
you can lead heat + flutter into psyspam matchups then you can pivot flutter out
mighty stump
You can also trap Indeedee if you’re willing to run Magma Storm
keen karma
yeah i love magma storm heat
autumn vault
you can lead heat + flutter into psyspam matchups then you can pivot flutter out
dude, pivoting flutter mane against AN ARMAROUGE is not optimal
keen karma
dude, pivoting flutter mane against AN ARMAROUGE is not optimal
you're running misty terrain
so you just use that then switch
one problem i do see is iron crown which forces a tera out of flutter
but im not even sure they will run iron crown
mighty stump
dude, pivoting flutter mane against AN ARMAROUGE is not optimal
Repeatedly time and time again you’ve attempted to give out poor advice
keen karma
but im willing to run tera water for it
mighty stump
You need to stop lol
autumn vault
I was going to stop