#competitive_discussion | Pokemon Winds and Waves | Page 56

dry latch Dec 22, 2023, 5:53 AM

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It knows the move thrash

brisk hatch Dec 22, 2023, 5:53 AM

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Sounds kinda useless tbh

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I'm gonna finish out reg E with this

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summer geyser Dec 22, 2023, 6:17 AM

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is kanto moltres better as a bulky or fast special attacker?

smoky hawk Dec 22, 2023, 6:17 AM

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Just caught my gouging fire in a safari ball

gentle delta Dec 22, 2023, 6:21 AM

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summer geyser is kanto moltres better as a bulky or fast special attacker?

Its not remotely worth using in any capacity

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Do any double battle with trainers, have the partner use the move and make sure smeargle is slower, then target the partner with Sketch.

chrome knot Dec 22, 2023, 6:22 AM

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https://tenor.com/view/snowboard-cat-gif-24540804

Tenor

gentle delta Dec 22, 2023, 6:22 AM

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This is the only way to teach Smeragle Transform, it fails if used on a wild Ditto.

summer geyser Dec 22, 2023, 6:25 AM

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chrome knot https://tenor.com/view/snowboard-cat-gif-24540804

synchro ghouldengo

chrome knot Dec 22, 2023, 6:25 AM

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no thats a cat

summer geyser Dec 22, 2023, 6:25 AM

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no it's ghouldengo

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you can tell by the yellow

chrome knot Dec 22, 2023, 6:25 AM

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thats a cat

summer geyser Dec 22, 2023, 6:26 AM

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weird looking cat

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out here looking like ghouldengo

chrome knot Dec 22, 2023, 6:26 AM

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quite the normal cat

gentle delta Dec 22, 2023, 6:26 AM

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Quite literally a cat

summer geyser Dec 22, 2023, 6:27 AM

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I don't see cats snowboarding

gentle delta Dec 22, 2023, 6:42 AM

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brisk hatch

team looks kinda mediocre but goated Ogerpon nickname I use the same one

ember linden Dec 22, 2023, 7:02 AM

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gentle delta Its not remotely worth using in any capacity

On cart I faced tera dragon kanto moltres + dragon cheer dragapult💀

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They lead with gouging fire + dragapult and then dragon tera’d moltres and nuked me endgame it sucked

gentle delta Dec 22, 2023, 7:03 AM

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Cart is a terrible indicator of something being good though.

In a closed sheet, Bo1 format. You don't need a consistent team, you just need to catch people off guard.

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Its why content creators (including me) can get away with videos of like, complete trash winning ladder games.

ember linden Dec 22, 2023, 7:04 AM

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I’m not saying it’s good I’m just bringing up some stupid shit I faced

gentle delta Dec 22, 2023, 7:04 AM

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haha fair

ember linden Dec 22, 2023, 7:04 AM

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Dragon cheer is so meh

gentle delta Dec 22, 2023, 7:04 AM

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I can never tell in this chat, have had some people argue to death that hitting masterball means a team is good

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tbh the only mon ill use dragon cheer with is Palkia

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because no need for scope lens or any other weird shit

ember linden Dec 22, 2023, 7:04 AM

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I’ve been there for some of those people lol

gentle delta Dec 22, 2023, 7:04 AM

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Spacial Rend is already +1 crit

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so 100% crit rate base 100 power move +20% from lustrous orb, kinda smacks

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Urshifu who?

ember linden Dec 22, 2023, 7:06 AM

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Double Giraffe the long way https://pokepast.es/ce13cb94ae182685

azure citrus Dec 22, 2023, 7:06 AM

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I’ve been having fun with araquinid. Forgot he kinda throws hands

ember linden Dec 22, 2023, 7:06 AM

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ember linden Double Giraffe *the long way* https://pokepast.es/ce13cb94ae182685

Think I’m done optimizing this team

gentle delta Dec 22, 2023, 7:06 AM

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ember linden Double Giraffe *the long way* https://pokepast.es/ce13cb94ae182685

uhm excuse me Bolt is not a giraffe actually

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its a Brontosaurus tyvm

azure citrus Dec 22, 2023, 7:06 AM

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So an ancient giraffe

ember linden Dec 22, 2023, 7:07 AM

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gentle delta uhm excuse me Bolt is not a giraffe <:actually:1155138298096922724>

🗿

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fight

gentle delta Dec 22, 2023, 7:07 AM

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jokes aside though team looks heat

ember linden Dec 22, 2023, 7:07 AM

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Tyty

gentle delta Dec 22, 2023, 7:07 AM

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minor nitpick

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spray > orb on Prima

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you dont damage yourself and +1 is more than +30%

ember linden Dec 22, 2023, 7:07 AM

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That was the item before my opt

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In most matchups I bring prima I want to lead rilla + fari to set it up

gentle delta Dec 22, 2023, 7:08 AM

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You also dont really need Ice Beam unless you're really scared of Amoongus

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obvi my spread is not for you because its for TR but this is the prima way to go imo

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Princess (Primarina) @ Throat Spray
Ability: Liquid Voice
Level: 50
Shiny: Yes
Tera Type: Water
EVs: 252 HP / 4 Def / 252 SpA
Modest Nature
IVs: 0 Atk / 0 Spe

Hyper Voice
Dazzling Gleam
Protect
Moonblast

azure citrus Dec 22, 2023, 7:09 AM

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Honestly I’ve just been running indeedee and araquinid and just watching it blow everything up

gentle delta Dec 22, 2023, 7:09 AM

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yah araqua is kinda nasty

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Im trying to make tailroom rain work but its a bit too busy and trying to do a lot

azure citrus Dec 22, 2023, 7:09 AM

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ember linden Dec 22, 2023, 7:09 AM

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I just want beam coverage for lando-I

gentle delta Dec 22, 2023, 7:10 AM

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ember linden I just want beam coverage for lando-I

you mean the mon that dies to a single water move?

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like your stab hyper voice?

azure citrus Dec 22, 2023, 7:10 AM

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Man can one tap the iron man

summer geyser Dec 22, 2023, 7:10 AM

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azure citrus

water bubble my beloved

gentle delta Dec 22, 2023, 7:10 AM

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honestly just being burn proof is super fucking nice

ember linden Dec 22, 2023, 7:10 AM

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gentle delta you mean the mon that dies to a single water move?

It probably dies to ice beam harder lol

azure citrus Dec 22, 2023, 7:10 AM

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Imagine skill swapping water bubble onto urshi lol

ember linden Dec 22, 2023, 7:10 AM

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Nvm not a good point wtv I still have good reason to use ice beam

gentle delta Dec 22, 2023, 7:10 AM

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I promise you that moonblast is the better play, Prima after spray hits like a truck with it

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like, Ice Beam wont always ohko Amoongus, so its a 2hko anyway

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moonblast 2hkos as well

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theres a lot of mons where a resisted stab move is better than having coverage

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its why with Enamorus you only see Fairy moves + Earth Power

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Prima is one of those mons

ember linden Dec 22, 2023, 7:11 AM

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I’m coping bc I’d have to edit my team tweet again😭

azure citrus Dec 22, 2023, 7:12 AM

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TIL araquinid can learn entrainment

ember linden Dec 22, 2023, 7:12 AM

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gentle delta like, Ice Beam wont always ohko Amoongus, so its a 2hko anyway

You think HH moonblast would ohko amoon?

gentle delta Dec 22, 2023, 7:12 AM

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ember linden You think HH moonblast would ohko amoon?

prob not, but being reliant on ice beam for just that single scenario isnt great

ember linden Dec 22, 2023, 7:13 AM

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I was just curious, I’m editing my tweet again🤦‍♂️

gentle delta Dec 22, 2023, 7:13 AM

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I also suggest tera fairy over poison.

Prima is like Enam, Flutter, and a few others where you want more stab over defensive shit

ember linden Dec 22, 2023, 7:13 AM

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Ice beam is balls

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I knew after you said it blatantly lol I’m just on copium okay😭😭

gentle delta Dec 22, 2023, 7:14 AM

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Everyone who's opinion I actually take super seriously (no offence) is in agreement on tera Fairy for Prima

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Here's a fun exercise in move choices for you. I bet this on paper looks dumb when you stare at it hard enough.

ember linden Dec 22, 2023, 7:14 AM

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🗿

gentle delta Dec 22, 2023, 7:14 AM

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Tabletop Sim (Enamorus-Therian) @ Choice Specs
Ability: Overcoat
Tera Type: Fairy
EVs: 252 HP / 252 SpA / 4 SpD
Quiet Nature
IVs: 6 Spe

Springtide Storm
Moonblast
Earth Power
Dazzling Gleam

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Tell me why there's Gleam and Storm both

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(this is my Enam im not trashing it)

summer geyser Dec 22, 2023, 7:15 AM

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accuracy?

gentle delta Dec 22, 2023, 7:15 AM

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Im curious if you can figure it out.

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I mean sorta, but why would you have both of the spread moves + specs

ember linden Dec 22, 2023, 7:15 AM

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Don’t give me hints anyone

gentle delta Dec 22, 2023, 7:16 AM

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Tofu was trashing one of my students for playing this Enamorus and he was all embarrassed when I joined the call later and I was all "good you took my advice for Enam anon"

He was like "wait, thats your build? I thought it was garbage"

ember linden Dec 22, 2023, 7:16 AM

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Because springtide kills more things than mystical fire

gentle delta Dec 22, 2023, 7:16 AM

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Sure but then why run Gleam

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(its also not my own original idea, I got it from a team of hardcore TR players who took this to worlds)

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But its one I love

ember linden Dec 22, 2023, 7:18 AM

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Accuracy, it still kills things without that extra damage, springtide is just there for that little extra damage bc you’d rather run it than not bc it will end up doing less

summer geyser Dec 22, 2023, 7:19 AM

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is it because DG doesn’t reduce speed?

ember linden Dec 22, 2023, 7:19 AM

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Just tell me Prog I’m probably not gonna get too close

gentle delta Dec 22, 2023, 7:19 AM

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ember linden Accuracy, it still kills things without that extra damage, springtide is just th...

This is about as close as you're gonna get without seeing Kortex's notes. So good job.

summer geyser Dec 22, 2023, 7:19 AM

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summer geyser is it because DG doesn’t reduce speed?

ignore this I thought storm lowered speed

ember linden Dec 22, 2023, 7:19 AM

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Idek cool ig

gentle delta Dec 22, 2023, 7:19 AM

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Basically, you click Springtide when you need to kill and you know or are nearly sure Gleam wont do it.

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In Bo3s you almost only click Spring in Games 2 and 3

ember linden Dec 22, 2023, 7:20 AM

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Oh come the fuck on Kierian🤦‍♂️

gentle delta Dec 22, 2023, 7:20 AM

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after using Game 1 to fish for bulk and to see if Gleam kills

summer geyser Dec 22, 2023, 7:20 AM

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A last resort then

gentle delta Dec 22, 2023, 7:20 AM

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honestly im aggro as fuck with it

ember linden Dec 22, 2023, 7:20 AM

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💀💀

gentle delta Dec 22, 2023, 7:20 AM

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i do it the opposite

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I click storm and I only click gleam if I cant afford to miss

ember linden Dec 22, 2023, 7:21 AM

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I’d do the same I imagine

gentle delta Dec 22, 2023, 7:21 AM

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but technically the first way I said is optimal I just am a horrible gambling addict

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Also dont click Spring into Gambit

ember linden Dec 22, 2023, 7:21 AM

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Ofc not

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When you said most people I talk to use fairy prima, who do you know😭

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Or something along those lines

gentle delta Dec 22, 2023, 7:22 AM

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I don't really like to use the clout of my friends for personal gain.

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So I don't go around saying "oh yeah Im in group chats with such and such"

ember linden Dec 22, 2023, 7:23 AM

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What personal gain is there

gentle delta Dec 22, 2023, 7:23 AM

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After the time a couple people pinged me and one dude demanded my entire pedigree as a player to determine if I was worthy of calling myself a TR God, I get uncomfortable with shit like that.

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I don't like bragging about being friends with people in high places because it waters down the friendship itself.

ember linden Dec 22, 2023, 7:24 AM

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Fs, I was there I felt so bad

gentle delta Dec 22, 2023, 7:24 AM

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But like, people who have won regionals and people who've top 8d worlds

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for what its worth

summer geyser Dec 22, 2023, 7:25 AM

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I got a TR team I made because indeedee/armarouge were getting walled non-stop by incineroar, care to review it?

ember linden Dec 22, 2023, 7:25 AM

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So you’re positive tera fairy is the way to go?

gentle delta Dec 22, 2023, 7:25 AM

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ember linden So you’re positive tera fairy is the way to go?

Take any Reg F stuff with a grain of salt because no one player can predict the entire meta.

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But until something convinces me to change, yes I'd go Fairy for sure.

ember linden Dec 22, 2023, 7:26 AM

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Okay

gentle delta Dec 22, 2023, 7:26 AM

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summer geyser I got a TR team I made because indeedee/armarouge were getting walled non-stop b...

send it

summer geyser Dec 22, 2023, 7:26 AM

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gentle delta send it

https://pokepast.es/134e662b86614d37

gentle delta Dec 22, 2023, 7:26 AM

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My answer for Incin, which Len also independently came up with, is Meteor beam arma

gentle delta Dec 22, 2023, 7:26 AM

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summer geyser https://pokepast.es/134e662b86614d37

to be frank, there's a lot to unpack there

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how gentle do you want me to be

summer geyser Dec 22, 2023, 7:26 AM

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uh oh

ember linden Dec 22, 2023, 7:26 AM

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😭

gentle delta Dec 22, 2023, 7:27 AM

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That's why I ask I don't want to be a dick, but if you want to actually improve I can go over in detail a lot of what I see wrong here.

summer geyser Dec 22, 2023, 7:27 AM

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Yeah go for it

gentle delta Dec 22, 2023, 7:27 AM

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It also depends on your goals as a player right

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like if you're just fucking around on cart ladder, this seems fine

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Amoongus

Spore is literally required, it is the main point of using the shroom to begin with. However, Amoongus is more often anti-TR tech than a mon used on TR teams
-Eject button is a mostly trash item. You want to be in control of when you switch

Clefairy
-bad on TR, better follow me supports exist in Indeedee, Maushold, and Cornerstone Ogerpon

Reuniclus
-unironically one of my favourite returning mons, all three of her abilities are perfect for a TR sweeper
-However, boots is a useless item in VGC. You extremely rarely see hazards

Sinistcha
-Protect is bad on this mon, and overall mediocre on Trick Room. You don't want to be wasting TR turns protecting. You want to be sweeping. I'd instead opt for Calm Mind or Nasty Plot and replace Strength Sap with Shadow Ball
-The bulky sap support matchas are best on Balance teams rather than Hard TR

Hydrapple
-Too new for me to evaluate, your set seems funny. I don't hate it but can't offer much advice except I've seen the hydra survive ice moves when holding an Assault vest

Incineroar
-Perfectly acceptable moveset, but I prefer Blitz over Snarl if you're also running Parting Shot
-Needs a more bulk spread, less attack. He's not a sweeper
-Shuca berry should be sitrus, or Safety goggles

I did not comment on Tera types.

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Happy to further elaborate on any of that

summer geyser Dec 22, 2023, 7:33 AM

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nice

gentle delta Dec 22, 2023, 7:33 AM

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Here's my current unfinished shell btw, if you want it for ideas

https://pokepast.es/df1b091798dabeee

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Normally don't share unfinished teams publicly but most of what's on there is well known tech.

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Power Herb + Meteor Beam applies the same principles I was talking about with Throat Spray on Primarina

And Meteor Beam takes literally all of Armarouge's problems away in terms of stuff that walls it.

ember linden Dec 22, 2023, 7:34 AM

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gentle delta Amoongus - Spore is literally required, it is the main point of using the shroom...

Probably go goggles if you’re playing tr

gentle delta Dec 22, 2023, 7:35 AM

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Honestly he does have a good grass type

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and Reuniclus gets Overcoat, I like that more than Regenerator on it

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Being unable to be put to sleep without needing goggles or tera is VERY nice

ember linden Dec 22, 2023, 7:36 AM

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Mhm

gentle delta Dec 22, 2023, 7:47 AM

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Anyway that concludes my bi weekly popping into comp chat

As always y'all can always at me if you need TR advice. Lord knows Tofu always does when people ask him. He just goes "ask Prog idk"

azure citrus Dec 22, 2023, 7:51 AM

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Can confirm, hydrapple is beefy as hell. AV along with support and hydrapple can do some heavy lifting especially with steel Tera defensively

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Had a guy use his incin to try and finish off my hydrapple with fake out. Did only like 7 HP in damage. Incin ate fickle beam in return

ember linden Dec 22, 2023, 7:54 AM

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gentle delta Anyway that concludes my bi weekly popping into comp chat As always y'all can a...

I do that but for Shiro to ppl asking for singles advice lol

gentle delta Dec 22, 2023, 7:55 AM

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Imagine playing singles

molten oasis Dec 22, 2023, 7:56 AM

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Hydrapple does live

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Some, ice moves with av

azure citrus Dec 22, 2023, 7:56 AM

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Yea it’s actually quite a tank

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Give it steel Tera and and you can scare some folks with it under trick room

molten oasis Dec 22, 2023, 7:57 AM

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I’ve seen it both live ice beam and die to it

azure citrus Dec 22, 2023, 7:57 AM

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High roll/low rolls

molten oasis Dec 22, 2023, 7:57 AM

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It can live freeze dry from bundle

molten oasis Dec 22, 2023, 7:57 AM

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azure citrus High roll/low rolls

Nah it was cuz of a stat boost lol

azure citrus Dec 22, 2023, 7:57 AM

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Oh lmao

molten oasis Dec 22, 2023, 7:57 AM

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Porygon 2 gettin the spA boost sucks to deal with sometimes

azure citrus Dec 22, 2023, 7:57 AM

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I tried the contrary gimmick with hydrapple as well. It’s surprisingly funny

molten oasis Dec 22, 2023, 7:58 AM

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There’s a contrary gimmick with Hydrapple?

azure citrus Dec 22, 2023, 7:58 AM

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Malamar with skill swap

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Triggers syrup ability twice and gives it contrary

molten oasis Dec 22, 2023, 7:58 AM

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oh,

azure citrus Dec 22, 2023, 7:58 AM

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Allowing malamar to get free hypnosis

ember linden Dec 22, 2023, 7:58 AM

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Final optimization done I hope https://pokepast.es/ecefec383e4e38a8 😭

molten oasis Dec 22, 2023, 7:58 AM

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I’m, im not touching that

ember linden Dec 22, 2023, 7:59 AM

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Thank you prog < 3

gentle delta Dec 22, 2023, 7:59 AM

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yeah thats awful and gimmicky (the malamar thing)

molten oasis Dec 22, 2023, 7:59 AM

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ember linden Final optimization done I hope https://pokepast.es/ecefec383e4e38a8 😭

The page does not work

azure citrus Dec 22, 2023, 7:59 AM

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Indeed it’s very gimmicky, but pays off if you get it going

gentle delta Dec 22, 2023, 7:59 AM

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ember linden Dec 22, 2023, 7:59 AM

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molten oasis The page does not work

Emoji was too close I fixed it

molten oasis Dec 22, 2023, 7:59 AM

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Hydrapple (imo) is either an av tank Mon, a yawn bot, or a tr LORB Mon

azure citrus Dec 22, 2023, 7:59 AM

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Draco meteor boosts and leaf storm boosts lol

ember linden Dec 22, 2023, 7:59 AM

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No it works now lmao

gentle delta Dec 22, 2023, 7:59 AM

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azure citrus Indeed it’s very gimmicky, but pays off if you get it going

not worth

molten oasis Dec 22, 2023, 8:00 AM

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ember linden Final optimization done I hope https://pokepast.es/ecefec383e4e38a8 😭

Nice looks good

gentle delta Dec 22, 2023, 8:00 AM

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Team looks heat

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I'd play it

ember linden Dec 22, 2023, 8:00 AM

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Awh shucks

molten oasis Dec 22, 2023, 8:00 AM

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You know it’s good if tr god will play it

gentle delta Dec 22, 2023, 8:00 AM

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I need to climb the ladder before building

ember linden Dec 22, 2023, 8:00 AM

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WobbuParty

gentle delta Dec 22, 2023, 8:00 AM

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because low 1000s doesnt give me any useful info on the meta

ember linden Dec 22, 2023, 8:00 AM

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Fr

gentle delta Dec 22, 2023, 8:01 AM

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a friend made HO with support latias and she's been crushing

molten oasis Dec 22, 2023, 8:01 AM

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From what I’ve seen

gentle delta Dec 22, 2023, 8:01 AM

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so probably gonna take her team up the ladder

molten oasis Dec 22, 2023, 8:01 AM

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Raging bolt and Archaludon are really good

ember linden Dec 22, 2023, 8:01 AM

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We have a fat delay on pikalytics

molten oasis Dec 22, 2023, 8:01 AM

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Gouging fire is good. Ddance clear amulet feels good

azure citrus Dec 22, 2023, 8:01 AM

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Never can decide if I want stalwart or stamina on arch

gentle delta Dec 22, 2023, 8:01 AM

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My biggest gripe is everyone playing the big limitless tours way too safe

molten oasis Dec 22, 2023, 8:01 AM

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https://pokepast.es/96106ca38373a9bb this is a team I play with

gentle delta Dec 22, 2023, 8:01 AM

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everyone and thier mothers on balance

gentle delta Dec 22, 2023, 8:02 AM

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azure citrus Never can decide if I want stalwart or stamina on arch

you will literally never want Stalwart

molten oasis Dec 22, 2023, 8:02 AM

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gentle delta My biggest gripe is everyone playing the big limitless tours way too safe

I know, I wanted to see if anyone was doing Hydrapple stuff, I found 1 team

azure citrus Dec 22, 2023, 8:02 AM

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Yea maybe in last gen , this gen doesn’t have a lot of redirects

molten oasis Dec 22, 2023, 8:02 AM

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Otherwise it was, incin torn shifu over and over again

gentle delta Dec 22, 2023, 8:02 AM

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Even in last gen it wasnt really worth it

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This gen has better redirects but its a do nothing ability

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way way too niche

ember linden Dec 22, 2023, 8:02 AM

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azure citrus Yea maybe in last gen , this gen doesn’t have a lot of redirects

Arch wants to run grass tera anyway so no point in going stalwart over stamina

molten oasis Dec 22, 2023, 8:02 AM

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Stamina is so good imo

gentle delta Dec 22, 2023, 8:03 AM

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Stamina was one of those abilities like Moody or Contrary that gets balanced by being mostly on shit mons

molten oasis Dec 22, 2023, 8:03 AM

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Then give it body press and that body press hits like a truck

gentle delta Dec 22, 2023, 8:03 AM

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Now they gave it toa 600bst powerhouse

ember linden Dec 22, 2023, 8:03 AM

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W TPC💀

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I fucking love Archaludon

molten oasis Dec 22, 2023, 8:03 AM

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Incin (what a surprise) is hard meta

gentle delta Dec 22, 2023, 8:03 AM

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yeah Stalwart woulda been fine if Archa kept same shitty base abilities as Dura

minor otter Dec 22, 2023, 8:03 AM

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So any tips for a beginner. Team wise?

gentle delta Dec 22, 2023, 8:03 AM

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but Stamina is stupid

ember linden Dec 22, 2023, 8:04 AM

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That typing is chefs kiss on balance

gentle delta Dec 22, 2023, 8:04 AM

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minor otter So any tips for a beginner. Team wise?

If you're brand brand new I don't actually recommend building your own teams.

molten oasis Dec 22, 2023, 8:04 AM

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Um, lando I is relatively common now

azure citrus Dec 22, 2023, 8:04 AM

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Been wanting to build a sun team with gouging fire and wake too, idk what to run on fire though

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I’ve seen some ppl run breaking swipe on it

molten oasis Dec 22, 2023, 8:04 AM

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Primarina is good

gentle delta Dec 22, 2023, 8:04 AM

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I'd suggest starting with watching content like Wolfey or Cybertron (or maybe a new budding and starting out Trick Room youtuber) and taking a team from one of those videos to learn with.

molten oasis Dec 22, 2023, 8:04 AM

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Iron crown is cool with psyspam

minor otter Dec 22, 2023, 8:04 AM

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gentle delta If you're brand brand new I don't actually recommend building your own teams.

Why when I can ask?

gentle delta Dec 22, 2023, 8:04 AM

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But right now is a really awkward time to start because we're about to change formats

molten oasis Dec 22, 2023, 8:05 AM

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Iron boulder is, fine (it’s typing so drastically holds it back)

ember linden Dec 22, 2023, 8:05 AM

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azure citrus Been wanting to build a sun team with gouging fire and wake too, idk what to run...

I don’t recommend playing wake until official ruleset is released

gentle delta Dec 22, 2023, 8:05 AM

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You're best off waiting until after Jan 6-8

gentle delta Dec 22, 2023, 8:05 AM

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minor otter Why when I can ask?

Building an actually good team is way harder than it looks

molten oasis Dec 22, 2023, 8:05 AM

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Yeaaaa

gentle delta Dec 22, 2023, 8:05 AM

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And requires good knowledge of the meta, game states, and a near encyclopedic knowledge of mons/moves/abilities

molten oasis Dec 22, 2023, 8:05 AM

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Getting a good team going is an entire skill on its own

azure citrus Dec 22, 2023, 8:05 AM

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Rn everyone is just testing waters with the new stuff

ember linden Dec 22, 2023, 8:05 AM

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Dray would know, because he tried to use Hydrapple💀(Joke)

molten oasis Dec 22, 2023, 8:06 AM

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Stfu I got a team that functions

ember linden Dec 22, 2023, 8:06 AM

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arkeknine

gentle delta Dec 22, 2023, 8:06 AM

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ffs I hate when y'all use alts

ember linden Dec 22, 2023, 8:06 AM

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Goober

molten oasis Dec 22, 2023, 8:06 AM

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I need to explore more options

willow vault Dec 22, 2023, 8:06 AM

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molten oasis Um, lando I is relatively common now

I would guess because it’s because it kills archludon in both rain and out of rain consistantly whilst having an immunity to electro shot and having good synergy with Incineroar + follow me

gentle delta Dec 22, 2023, 8:06 AM

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didnt lknow til Vik said it that you're Dray

molten oasis Dec 22, 2023, 8:06 AM

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LMAO

ember linden Dec 22, 2023, 8:06 AM

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HE CHANGED HIS NAME IT ISNT AN ALT

molten oasis Dec 22, 2023, 8:06 AM

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Here I gotchu

gentle delta Dec 22, 2023, 8:06 AM

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NAME CHANGES ON THE SAME ACCOUNT ARE BASICALLY AN ALT

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I aint clicking everyones name to make sure it matches the discord username

ember linden Dec 22, 2023, 8:07 AM

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NO??

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fight

molten oasis Dec 22, 2023, 8:07 AM

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There ya go

azure citrus Dec 22, 2023, 8:07 AM

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I do know I want an araquinid team though, thing is disgusting with water Tera

willow vault Dec 22, 2023, 8:07 AM

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I ain’t change my name because I’m to lazy

gentle delta Dec 22, 2023, 8:07 AM

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I woulda never known it was dray if you didnt say it vik lmfao

ember linden Dec 22, 2023, 8:07 AM

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arkeknine

molten oasis Dec 22, 2023, 8:07 AM

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Prog just sees me as some absolute rando lol

gentle delta Dec 22, 2023, 8:07 AM

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azure citrus I do know I want an araquinid team though, thing is disgusting with water Tera

here have my scraps if you wanna try and make it work

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https://pokepast.es/42a4e83c8b895db8

molten oasis Dec 22, 2023, 8:08 AM

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Araquinid is scary, when it hits me with water moves

gentle delta Dec 22, 2023, 8:08 AM

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molten oasis Prog just sees me as some absolute rando lol

Same as any other day

molten oasis Dec 22, 2023, 8:08 AM

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Real, I am a rando

ember linden Dec 22, 2023, 8:08 AM

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molten oasis Prog just sees me as some absolute rando lol

I never clicked on your name I just saw you say you were making a Hydrapple team and knew Hydrapple Guy was you off rip bc it’s so obvious

azure citrus Dec 22, 2023, 8:08 AM

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gentle delta here have my scraps if you wanna try and make it work

Out of curiosity is there any reason to run pelipper over politoed? Feel like both work

gentle delta Dec 22, 2023, 8:08 AM

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Wide Guard + Tailwind

molten oasis Dec 22, 2023, 8:09 AM

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I think pelipper is better tbh

willow vault Dec 22, 2023, 8:09 AM

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It is

gentle delta Dec 22, 2023, 8:09 AM

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I think both suck but Peli is better for this team

ember linden Dec 22, 2023, 8:09 AM

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Araqaunid<shit

molten oasis Dec 22, 2023, 8:09 AM

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True just use torn arkeknine

gentle delta Dec 22, 2023, 8:09 AM

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molten oasis True just use torn <:arkeknine:669500432741040129>

cant uturn into torn to proc stamina and also make it rain

molten oasis Dec 22, 2023, 8:09 AM

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Pelipper has uturn?

ember linden Dec 22, 2023, 8:09 AM

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If you want arch rain DO NOT use torn

gentle delta Dec 22, 2023, 8:10 AM

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incin

molten oasis Dec 22, 2023, 8:10 AM

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Oh lol

gentle delta Dec 22, 2023, 8:10 AM

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Drayage-idontknowhowtoread-drago

molten oasis Dec 22, 2023, 8:10 AM

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I did not look at the team lol

gentle delta Dec 22, 2023, 8:10 AM

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yeah one of the original ideas was to lead incin and archa

azure citrus Dec 22, 2023, 8:10 AM

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Oh right u turn forgot that

molten oasis Dec 22, 2023, 8:10 AM

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gentle delta Drayage-idontknowhowtoread-drago

Exactly, I failed English 🫠

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(Joke)

gentle delta Dec 22, 2023, 8:10 AM

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feign fake out

then uturn into Archa, switch to pelipper, use electro shot

willow vault Dec 22, 2023, 8:10 AM

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ember linden If you want arch rain DO NOT use torn

Why out of curiosity (I dislike archaludon so I don’t use it)

ember linden Dec 22, 2023, 8:10 AM

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That was one of the very first versions of my team y’all saw, you just get doubled on your torn and don’t get both up

willow vault Dec 22, 2023, 8:11 AM

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Oh

ember linden Dec 22, 2023, 8:11 AM

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willow vault Why out of curiosity (I dislike archaludon so I don’t use it)

Accidentally answered you as I typed it lol

molten oasis Dec 22, 2023, 8:11 AM

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I like when torn dies, torn makes me mad

willow vault Dec 22, 2023, 8:11 AM

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ember linden Accidentally answered you as I typed it lol

Thanks for that

gentle cragBOT Dec 22, 2023, 8:11 AM

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willow vault Thanks for that

crephace has given 1 Gen Rep to vikxk

ember linden Dec 22, 2023, 8:11 AM

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molten oasis I did not look at the team lol

Typical fucking Dray DerpCat

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arkeknine

ember linden Dec 22, 2023, 8:11 AM

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willow vault Thanks for that

You got it.

molten oasis Dec 22, 2023, 8:11 AM

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Ffs I’m gonna be bullied for that forever lol

willow vault Dec 22, 2023, 8:12 AM

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Yep

ember linden Dec 22, 2023, 8:12 AM

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It can be an inside joke between us three for the others in our fg

molten oasis Dec 22, 2023, 8:12 AM

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I do also pull that shit so much

azure citrus Dec 22, 2023, 8:12 AM

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Surprised you didn’t toss water urshi on that team tbh

ember linden Dec 22, 2023, 8:12 AM

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We can make it extremely vague

molten oasis Dec 22, 2023, 8:12 AM

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ember linden It can be an inside joke between us three for the others in our fg

Monke knows plenty well I pull that stuff

ember linden Dec 22, 2023, 8:13 AM

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Like “That one time dray forgot to go The Long Way”

molten oasis Dec 22, 2023, 8:13 AM

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Man I still have to try and get another team concept going for Hydrapple I just am not sure what

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Besides doing life orb

willow vault Dec 22, 2023, 8:13 AM

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Chi-Yu makes a lot of sense

molten oasis Dec 22, 2023, 8:13 AM

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I think LORB could be interesting

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https://tenor.com/view/umm-ok-um-okay-hmm-wait-gif-15827095

Tenor

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You’re not wrong

willow vault Dec 22, 2023, 8:14 AM

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I know, I build teams sometimes

molten oasis Dec 22, 2023, 8:14 AM

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However I think Hydrapple wants tr

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chi Yu doesn’t like tr much, usually

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Well no it doesn’t unless it’s under certain conditions

willow vault Dec 22, 2023, 8:15 AM

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Have chi-you as your outside trick room mode

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I would usually suggest Landorus-T, it’s just really good in general

molten oasis Dec 22, 2023, 8:16 AM

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Maybe

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I might not do that today tbh

willow vault Dec 22, 2023, 8:16 AM

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Just explore what you find interesting tbh

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It will lead to a semblance of a reasonable team then you ask for help when you get stuck

molten oasis Dec 22, 2023, 8:16 AM

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I did fine I like how gouging fire and raging bolt play

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So I will be getting more refined teams with those later on

willow vault Dec 22, 2023, 8:17 AM

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How are they, I still haven’t tried gouging fire?

molten oasis Dec 22, 2023, 8:17 AM

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I also like Suicune

willow vault Dec 22, 2023, 8:17 AM

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Suicune is good

cyan smelt Dec 22, 2023, 8:17 AM

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pog suicune got scald

molten oasis Dec 22, 2023, 8:17 AM

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willow vault How are they, I still haven’t tried gouging fire?

I think atm gouging fires best set is ddance clear amulet

willow vault Dec 22, 2023, 8:17 AM

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Oh

molten oasis Dec 22, 2023, 8:17 AM

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cyan smelt pog suicune got scald

Literally the only reason I touched it

willow vault Dec 22, 2023, 8:17 AM

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Good to know

molten oasis Dec 22, 2023, 8:17 AM

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It can also do booster speed howl stuff

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With snarl

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It has multiple sets it can use

azure citrus Dec 22, 2023, 8:18 AM

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I need to see a list of psychic noise users. Feel like that move is gonna get some mileage depending on what learns it

molten oasis Dec 22, 2023, 8:18 AM

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Just takes the fire spot up

willow vault Dec 22, 2023, 8:18 AM

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My favourite team is usually balance with Incineroar, Gholdengo, Landorus-I, Ogerpon Water/Amoongus (still don’t know which I prefer) and then others I haven’t finalised

molten oasis Dec 22, 2023, 8:18 AM

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azure citrus I need to see a list of psychic noise users. Feel like that move is gonna get so...

Farigiraf is imo the top user for it

willow vault Dec 22, 2023, 8:19 AM

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What does psychic noise do?

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I don’t think I have seen it once

azure citrus Dec 22, 2023, 8:20 AM

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Does damage + blocks healing on target

willow vault Dec 22, 2023, 8:20 AM

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Oh it’s the healing block

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Oh yeah that will be good

molten oasis Dec 22, 2023, 8:20 AM

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Btw

azure citrus Dec 22, 2023, 8:20 AM

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Meaning no drain punch, pollen puff, lunar spam

molten oasis Dec 22, 2023, 8:20 AM

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It just stops those moves from coming out

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Which is huge

cyan smelt Dec 22, 2023, 8:21 AM

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no healing from grassy terrain too

willow vault Dec 22, 2023, 8:21 AM

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azure citrus Meaning no drain punch, pollen puff, lunar spam

Nevermind, that’s crazy

molten oasis Dec 22, 2023, 8:21 AM

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Yep

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I believe it also affects regenerator? Don’t quote me on that

dapper crag Dec 22, 2023, 8:21 AM

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Move: Psychic Noise

For 2 turns, the target is prevented from restoring any HP as long as it remains active. During the effect, healing and draining moves are unusable, and Abilities and items that grant healing will not heal the user. If an affected Pokemon uses Baton Pass, the replacement will remain unable to restore its HP. Pain Split and the Regenerator Ability are unaffected.

Type

Psychic

Category

Special

Power

75

Accuracy

100

PP (max)

10 (16)

Move Flags

Mirror

Copied by Mirror Move.

Authentic

Bypasses substitute.

Contact

Does not make contact.

Sound

Does not affect Soundproof.

molten oasis Dec 22, 2023, 8:22 AM

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It does not

azure citrus Dec 22, 2023, 8:22 AM

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Farig is a huge winner there for that. Big utility Mon that blocks prio and can TR

willow vault Dec 22, 2023, 8:22 AM

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Also sometimes I wonder if Archaludon works as intended on showdown, because of the fact that there is always a message in red anytime it uses electro shot

molten oasis Dec 22, 2023, 8:22 AM

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Electro shot is a 2 turn move

willow vault Dec 22, 2023, 8:22 AM

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I know

molten oasis Dec 22, 2023, 8:23 AM

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It prob works fine I’ve seen it enough in ladder

willow vault Dec 22, 2023, 8:23 AM

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I got one turned outside rain, day one but I haven’t play as much as I’m back home at the moment so I trust it shouldn’t happen again

graceful shoal Dec 22, 2023, 8:23 AM

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hi, I asked something in general (#sv_discussion message) just now that I probably should've asked here. it's extremely basic stuff but I can't figure it out

gentle cragBOT Dec 22, 2023, 8:23 AM

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guy_th18 (ID 135197419519475712)

[Message](#sv_discussion message) in #sv_discussion
hi, new to raiding/more competitive stuff in mainline games. I was told to get an Iron Hands for the 7* Delibird raids and that the ev spread should be "252 attack, 252 sp. def, 4hp". so I assumed that means 25 protein + 2 attack feathers, 25 zinc + 2 sp. def feathers, and 4 HP ups (before hyper training). I'm assuming my understanding is completely flawed?

molten oasis Dec 22, 2023, 8:24 AM

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willow vault I got one turned outside rain, day one but I haven’t play as much as I’m back ho...

Oh no that’s a part of the move

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Oh wait outside of rain

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Most likely power herb then

willow vault Dec 22, 2023, 8:24 AM

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Yeah that’s why I disliked it

willow vault Dec 22, 2023, 8:24 AM

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molten oasis Most likely power herb then

Nah it was assault vest

cyan smelt Dec 22, 2023, 8:24 AM

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does archaludon get meteor beam too

molten oasis Dec 22, 2023, 8:25 AM

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No

willow vault Dec 22, 2023, 8:25 AM

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I knocked it off with Incineroar

molten oasis Dec 22, 2023, 8:25 AM

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That’s weird, prob just a bug

willow vault Dec 22, 2023, 8:25 AM

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Probably a day one thing

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Or me being stupid

cyan smelt Dec 22, 2023, 8:25 AM

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archaludon does get meteor beam

molten oasis Dec 22, 2023, 8:25 AM

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Well

willow vault Dec 22, 2023, 8:25 AM

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What?

molten oasis Dec 22, 2023, 8:26 AM

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It’s not gonna use it lol

willow vault Dec 22, 2023, 8:26 AM

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Yeah it won’t be used

molten oasis Dec 22, 2023, 8:26 AM

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I’ve seen some armarouge with power herb stuff

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(I don’t think it’s great but I get the vision)

willow vault Dec 22, 2023, 8:27 AM

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What does it get needing power herb

molten oasis Dec 22, 2023, 8:27 AM

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Well the spA boost is nice

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That’s a reason to run it I suppose

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I think LORB is still better but ig it’s fair to test other items as Hatt is back with eforce

willow vault Dec 22, 2023, 8:29 AM

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It gets meteor beam?

molten oasis Dec 22, 2023, 8:30 AM

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Yep

gentle delta Dec 22, 2023, 8:38 AM

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molten oasis (I don’t think it’s great but I get the vision)

It is literally the best thing for Armarouge stfu

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I have spoken

gentle delta Dec 22, 2023, 8:46 AM

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gentle delta I have spoken

this part is a joke I don't think I'm like infalliable but Im ready to present the Meteor Beam discussion for the like, 3rd time tonight if needed really lol

molten oasis Dec 22, 2023, 8:49 AM

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It, ok

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I won’t say anything I don’t play psyspam (I can’t pilot it for shit)

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Feel free to explain why meteor beam is so good for armarouge, knowledge is good

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If you want

blissful pecan Dec 22, 2023, 8:51 AM

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what nature would be best for iron bundle? Timid or Modest?

mighty stump Dec 22, 2023, 8:54 AM

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gentle delta this part is a joke I don't think I'm like infalliable but Im ready to present t...

goan

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poliwhirlkek

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I like meteor beam on Armarouge

molten oasis Dec 22, 2023, 8:54 AM

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Typically timid but modest is ok

blissful pecan Dec 22, 2023, 8:55 AM

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thank you

molten oasis Dec 22, 2023, 8:55 AM

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Hi tofu

blissful pecan Dec 22, 2023, 8:55 AM

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Armarouge gets meteor beam? thats cool

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Im trying to make a meteor beam set for my iron jug

molten oasis Dec 22, 2023, 8:56 AM

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good luck on that

gentle delta Dec 22, 2023, 8:56 AM

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mighty stump goan

since daddy is asking

Meteor Beam covers most of the weakspots Armarouge has interms of what walls it. It ohkos Incin, Chi Yu, etc. Just not Heatran. But gets Heatran low enough to die to the following +1 Expanding Force

It also puts you in a way way less awkward spot than Life Orb because you can then safely spam your attacks forever without dying to life orb recoil. It makes it so living a random hit at 2hp is WAY more valuable than if you have Life Orb.

+1 is also just straight up more damage than orb.

mighty stump Dec 22, 2023, 8:57 AM

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c:

molten oasis Dec 22, 2023, 8:57 AM

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Ah

gentle delta Dec 22, 2023, 8:57 AM

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I know you werent arguing with me tofu you never do lmao

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but theres the actual reason for you

blissful pecan Dec 22, 2023, 8:57 AM

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sounds like a good set

mighty stump Dec 22, 2023, 8:57 AM

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gentle delta I know you werent arguing with me tofu you never do lmao

uhm ackchually

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im arguing with you now

gentle delta Dec 22, 2023, 8:57 AM

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If I have Armarouge in the builder you know its a cracked set

mighty stump Dec 22, 2023, 8:57 AM

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therefore youre WRONG

gentle delta Dec 22, 2023, 8:57 AM

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FUCK

molten oasis Dec 22, 2023, 8:58 AM

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Lol

mighty stump Dec 22, 2023, 8:58 AM

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hey guys you should burning jealousy armarouge since it gets a stat boost

molten oasis Dec 22, 2023, 8:58 AM

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HUH

fast plume Dec 22, 2023, 8:58 AM

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Hi. If my first pokemon use protect and my second pokemon uses a buff like dragon cheer, will the first pokemon that used protect receive the buff?

mighty stump Dec 22, 2023, 8:58 AM

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now what is wrong with this statement

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lmao

mighty stump Dec 22, 2023, 8:58 AM

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fast plume Hi. If my first pokemon use protect and my second pokemon uses a buff like drago...

Yes

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This only works for certain moves but yeah

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Dragon Cheer and Decorate bypass protect iirc

molten oasis Dec 22, 2023, 8:59 AM

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Tofu I’m not awake enough for quizzes

fast plume Dec 22, 2023, 8:59 AM

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@mighty stump really? Cool. Really appreciate ur reply. Ty

gentle cragBOT Dec 22, 2023, 8:59 AM

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fast plume <@250386799363489808> really? Cool. Really appreciate ur reply. Ty

arcturus1811 has given 1 Gen Rep to woodtofu

molten oasis Dec 22, 2023, 8:59 AM

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I will not be able to process why the statement is false

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Or what’s, fuck

mighty stump Dec 22, 2023, 9:00 AM

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molten oasis I will not be able to process why the statement is false

its a fire move that burns mons and im not sure its even in the game

molten oasis Dec 22, 2023, 9:00 AM

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It’s in the game, people just don’t use it

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How’s the team with ur fav starter going?

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If that has started yet

mighty stump Dec 22, 2023, 9:01 AM

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Emboar?

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Pfft

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No

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ive decided to actually try and win

molten oasis Dec 22, 2023, 9:02 AM

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Lmao

mighty stump Dec 22, 2023, 9:02 AM

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Diddy told me to stop making life harder for myself and im like

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but

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Emboar

molten oasis Dec 22, 2023, 9:02 AM

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Then Diddy went no I’m guessing

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Maybe you can try it when the meta settles

mighty stump Dec 22, 2023, 9:03 AM

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He was like "imagine how much you'd win when you actually use real mons"

molten oasis Dec 22, 2023, 9:03 AM

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Yk fsir

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Maybe I would want to rip my hair out less if I pivoted to gouging fire, which I might do

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Messed with ca ddance today it’s pretty solid

wispy spade Dec 22, 2023, 9:04 AM

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mighty stump He was like "imagine how much you'd win when you actually use real mons"

Can't you get #1 with any team whenever you feel like it anyway?

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sylveonblelele

mighty stump Dec 22, 2023, 9:04 AM

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When on earth have I said that

wispy spade Dec 22, 2023, 9:05 AM

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I said it, you're just that good

molten oasis Dec 22, 2023, 9:05 AM

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Winning with your favorite is fun, Yk, when they’re good

blissful pecan Dec 22, 2023, 9:05 AM

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thats why my favorite mons are the competitively good ones

gentle delta Dec 22, 2023, 9:06 AM

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mighty stump Dragon Cheer and Decorate bypass protect iirc

Decorate does not iirc

molten oasis Dec 22, 2023, 9:06 AM

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I happened to like the worst new Mon the most

gentle delta Dec 22, 2023, 9:06 AM

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its a targetted move

ember linden Dec 22, 2023, 9:06 AM

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gentle delta since daddy is asking Meteor Beam covers most of the weakspots Armarouge has in...

Daddy😭

molten oasis Dec 22, 2023, 9:06 AM

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So, I did this to myself lol

gentle delta Dec 22, 2023, 9:06 AM

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mighty stump When on earth have I said that

tbf except for like obvious troll examples Ive said that most half functioal teams can hit rank 1 on cart ladder

blissful pecan Dec 22, 2023, 9:07 AM

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I hope blastoise, my favorite besides nidoking, still has some niche in competitive. prolly some support set but still

mighty stump Dec 22, 2023, 9:07 AM

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gentle delta tbf except for like obvious troll examples Ive said that most half functioal tea...

Tinkaton is my crowning achievement and I semi hate that

mighty stump Dec 22, 2023, 9:08 AM

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blissful pecan I hope blastoise, my favorite besides nidoking, still has some niche in competit...

Just run Shell Smash

blissful pecan Dec 22, 2023, 9:08 AM

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true

wispy spade Dec 22, 2023, 9:08 AM

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HH tinkaton for goldengo is fun

ember linden Dec 22, 2023, 9:08 AM

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mighty stump Emboar

Ours are from the same gen, mine is Samurott BusinessSpheal

mighty stump Dec 22, 2023, 9:09 AM

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I lke Empo and Emboar

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Em&Em

wispy spade Dec 22, 2023, 9:09 AM

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nomnom

willow vault Dec 22, 2023, 9:09 AM

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Nice

molten oasis Dec 22, 2023, 9:09 AM

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I like meow, and, uh, shit

willow vault Dec 22, 2023, 9:09 AM

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I like Typhlosion

azure citrus Dec 22, 2023, 9:09 AM

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I like minior. Minior fun as hell

molten oasis Dec 22, 2023, 9:09 AM

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Prob primarina I like Primarina

wispy spade Dec 22, 2023, 9:09 AM

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This may come as a surprise, but i like sylveon

ember linden Dec 22, 2023, 9:10 AM

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Specifically Hamurott but that still counts right? arkeknine

molten oasis Dec 22, 2023, 9:10 AM

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wispy spade This may come as a surprise, but i like sylveon

surprise

willow vault Dec 22, 2023, 9:10 AM

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Oh I thought we were just saying starters

blissful pecan Dec 22, 2023, 9:10 AM

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wispy spade This may come as a surprise, but i like sylveon

whar

ember linden Dec 22, 2023, 9:10 AM

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If that doesn’t count regular Samu is still my favorite but they made it cooler so

wispy spade Dec 22, 2023, 9:10 AM

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willow vault Oh I thought we were just saying starters

Eevee is a starter

molten oasis Dec 22, 2023, 9:10 AM

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I like cats, a lot, I think that’s why meow grew on me so much

blissful pecan Dec 22, 2023, 9:10 AM

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cats are cool

willow vault Dec 22, 2023, 9:10 AM

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wispy spade Eevee is a starter

Minior was replied aswell

gentle delta Dec 22, 2023, 9:11 AM

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mighty stump Tinkaton is my crowning achievement and I semi hate that

bro do you not remember my earliest Pittsburgh team had Tinka

wispy spade Dec 22, 2023, 9:11 AM

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:o

gentle delta Dec 22, 2023, 9:11 AM

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Im a big tinka believer

molten oasis Dec 22, 2023, 9:11 AM

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I’ve never seen you use tinka

willow vault Dec 22, 2023, 9:11 AM

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Probably my favourite is pangoro

molten oasis Dec 22, 2023, 9:11 AM

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My favorite Pokémon changes daily

willow vault Dec 22, 2023, 9:11 AM

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I could guess that

molten oasis Dec 22, 2023, 9:12 AM

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It’s not hydrspple. It’s my favorite new dlc Mon

willow vault Dec 22, 2023, 9:12 AM

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Alright

molten oasis Dec 22, 2023, 9:12 AM

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and also objectively the worst one

blissful pecan Dec 22, 2023, 9:13 AM

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like actually?

willow vault Dec 22, 2023, 9:13 AM

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Nah Archaludon is the worst (totally not copium)

molten oasis Dec 22, 2023, 9:13 AM

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You’re on mad copium

willow vault Dec 22, 2023, 9:13 AM

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Always have been

molten oasis Dec 22, 2023, 9:14 AM

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blissful pecan like actually?

Yes it is the worst out of the new mons

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MAYBE it’s better than iron boulder but it getting the move the ignores protect gives it a step up

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It’s viable at least

willow vault Dec 22, 2023, 9:14 AM

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molten oasis MAYBE it’s better than iron boulder but it getting the move the ignores protect ...

We talking about feint?

blissful pecan Dec 22, 2023, 9:14 AM

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molten oasis Yes it is the worst out of the new mons

:

azure citrus Dec 22, 2023, 9:15 AM

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I wonder how minior is in doubles now. Hasn’t been in game since sun and moon

blissful pecan Dec 22, 2023, 9:15 AM

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willow vault We talking about feint?

the new move it gets

molten oasis Dec 22, 2023, 9:15 AM

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willow vault We talking about feint?

Mighty cleave is a 95 bp rock type move with 100% Acc that ignores protect

willow vault Dec 22, 2023, 9:15 AM

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Oh

blissful pecan Dec 22, 2023, 9:15 AM

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another rare 100% accurate rock move

gentle delta Dec 22, 2023, 9:15 AM

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molten oasis I’ve never seen you use tinka

Select few get access to my earliest drafts. If you aint Tofu, Emma or JeanMarc you likely havent seen my most mad science stuff

molten oasis Dec 22, 2023, 9:16 AM

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I want to see your mad science stuff

willow vault Dec 22, 2023, 9:16 AM

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molten oasis Mighty cleave is a 95 bp rock type move with 100% Acc that ignores protect

That’s a way better rock move than expected I would have guessed it would have like 70% accuracy since it’s a rock move

molten oasis Dec 22, 2023, 9:16 AM

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Real rock moves are always inaccurate

azure citrus Dec 22, 2023, 9:16 AM

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The move alone puts boulder in a high tier, despite its awful typing

molten oasis Dec 22, 2023, 9:16 AM

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It’s only b tier imo

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Literally because of that typing

willow vault Dec 22, 2023, 9:17 AM

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I’ve ran into a few but it just dies in one turn due to its typing

blissful pecan Dec 22, 2023, 9:17 AM

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i wouldnt say high tier but its just good

azure citrus Dec 22, 2023, 9:17 AM

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It’s weirdly fast as hell too, like it looks like it should be slow

molten oasis Dec 22, 2023, 9:17 AM

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Iron boulder has like, one of the worst typing of all time lol

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It’s so shit it’s not even funny

azure citrus Dec 22, 2023, 9:17 AM

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And yet stands as one of the fastest rocks in the west which is hilarious

dapper crag Dec 22, 2023, 9:17 AM

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Iron Boulder [Rock/Psychic]

Resists (0.5x)

Fire, Flying, Normal, Poison, Psychic

Neutral damage

Dragon, Electric, Fairy, Fighting, Ice, Rock, Stellar

Weak (2x)

Bug, Dark, Ghost, Grass, Ground, Steel, Water

Type Notes

Rock-types take no damage from Sandstorm.
Rock-types have their Special Defense increased by 50% in a Sandstorm.

blissful pecan Dec 22, 2023, 9:18 AM

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molten oasis Iron boulder has like, one of the worst typing of all time lol

nuh uh. it has solrock typing and solrock is cool

molten oasis Dec 22, 2023, 9:18 AM

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Cope

willow vault Dec 22, 2023, 9:18 AM

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Atleast it resists flying and fire

molten oasis Dec 22, 2023, 9:18 AM

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Wow too bad the fire and flying are always paired with urshifu or electric now

azure citrus Dec 22, 2023, 9:19 AM

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Nah fam, only Tera saves its ass most of the time, it’s a primo Tera hog if you want it to get anything done

willow vault Dec 22, 2023, 9:19 AM

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Yeah

blissful pecan Dec 22, 2023, 9:19 AM

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but yeah rock/psy is bad

willow vault Dec 22, 2023, 9:19 AM

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It is awful in all fairness

molten oasis Dec 22, 2023, 9:19 AM

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I think the best new mons are Raging Bolt and Archaludon

mighty stump Dec 22, 2023, 9:19 AM

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Prim and Latias are surprisingly solid

azure citrus Dec 22, 2023, 9:19 AM

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It’s not bad as a poison Tera, but still most people are gonna run it for mighty cleave alone

willow vault Dec 22, 2023, 9:19 AM

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Nah just raging bolt, definitely unbiased

molten oasis Dec 22, 2023, 9:20 AM

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mighty stump Prim and Latias are surprisingly solid

I think primarina is gonna do pretty well into the format

willow vault Dec 22, 2023, 9:20 AM

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I like Primarina it’s fun

molten oasis Dec 22, 2023, 9:20 AM

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I have not touched Latias yet. Ik it’s signature got buffed

azure citrus Dec 22, 2023, 9:20 AM

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I want to believe gouging fire is good, I just got no clue how to build it or around it. It acts like a offensive sweeper but can be good utility too

molten oasis Dec 22, 2023, 9:20 AM

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And it’s like a solid bulky tw setter

molten oasis Dec 22, 2023, 9:20 AM

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azure citrus I want to believe gouging fire is good, I just got no clue how to build it or ar...

Clear amulet ddance you’re welcome

azure citrus Dec 22, 2023, 9:21 AM

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I saw it once playing casual matches, man was running a breaking swipe set on its

molten oasis Dec 22, 2023, 9:21 AM

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https://pokepast.es/96106ca38373a9bb here’s a team you can play with too

molten oasis Dec 22, 2023, 9:21 AM

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azure citrus I saw it once playing casual matches, man was running a breaking swipe set on it...

Breaking swipe snarl is also not bad

willow vault Dec 22, 2023, 9:21 AM

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I am discovering I’m the only Archaludon hater here, I will never speak of my dislike again

mighty stump Dec 22, 2023, 9:21 AM

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molten oasis I think primarina is gonna do pretty well into the format

I also hate the 50/50 weak armor Arma Prim teams

molten oasis Dec 22, 2023, 9:21 AM

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That’s a thing?

wispy spade Dec 22, 2023, 9:21 AM

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Can we use legendaries in reg f?

molten oasis Dec 22, 2023, 9:22 AM

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I have never seen a Prima arma team

azure citrus Dec 22, 2023, 9:22 AM

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I think gouging fire just has the fear factor with bulwark. Do you risk burning yourself hitting it

mighty stump Dec 22, 2023, 9:22 AM

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When you've been tersting something new but you scrape 250

molten oasis Dec 22, 2023, 9:22 AM

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wispy spade Can we use legendaries in reg f?

Not the box arts

mighty stump Dec 22, 2023, 9:22 AM

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249

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lmaoo

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we dropped 200 elo and we back cause balance is king

molten oasis Dec 22, 2023, 9:22 AM

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Balance is goated this reg

mighty stump Dec 22, 2023, 9:22 AM

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It feels pretty good

molten oasis Dec 22, 2023, 9:22 AM

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Thanks raging bolt

willow vault Dec 22, 2023, 9:22 AM

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It’s so much more fun

mighty stump Dec 22, 2023, 9:23 AM

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its not even due to bolt but like

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damn

molten oasis Dec 22, 2023, 9:23 AM

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It’s a part of it imo

mighty stump Dec 22, 2023, 9:23 AM

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thanks incin

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we love you incin

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mashallah for incin

willow vault Dec 22, 2023, 9:23 AM

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We do

molten oasis Dec 22, 2023, 9:23 AM

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Oh yea incin like, makes balance BALANCE

mighty stump Dec 22, 2023, 9:23 AM

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Say

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Where's H-Arc

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I don't see Fraudcanine anywhere

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HMMMM

molten oasis Dec 22, 2023, 9:23 AM

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https://tenor.com/view/looking-around-what-confused-gif-21065154

Tenor

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Me when all the harcs dissapear

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Thanks incin

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Then harc will manage to win 3 more regionals

mighty stump Dec 22, 2023, 9:24 AM

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lmao

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beating the fraudcanine allegations

molten oasis Dec 22, 2023, 9:25 AM

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Fr

mighty stump Dec 22, 2023, 9:25 AM

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https://pokepast.es/76f179e6bfaf8c17 currentl;y where we at

molten oasis Dec 22, 2023, 9:25 AM

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Goggles gambit pog

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Totally didn’t get that from you or anything UHM

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https://pokepast.es/96106ca38373a9bb anyway im fidgeting with this atm, I can’t keep pushing myself to test hydrspple rn

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I want to try a wake team at some point too. Thought it was gonna be better, that or it’s unexplored

azure citrus Dec 22, 2023, 9:30 AM

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molten oasis https://pokepast.es/96106ca38373a9bb here’s a team you can play with too

Wait suicune gets tailwind? TIL

wispy spade Dec 22, 2023, 9:32 AM

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molten oasis Goggles gambit pog

I used goggles sylveon

molten oasis Dec 22, 2023, 9:34 AM

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azure citrus Wait suicune gets tailwind? TIL

Yea

dapper crag Dec 22, 2023, 9:35 AM

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Fire, Water, Dragon

Hits for 1x

Dark, Electric, Fairy, Fighting, Flying, Ghost, Normal, Poison, Psychic, Stellar, Water

Hits for 2x

Bug, Dragon, Fire, Grass, Ground, Ice, Rock, Steel

molten oasis Dec 22, 2023, 9:36 AM

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Suicune is a really good utility Mon

dapper crag Dec 22, 2023, 9:37 AM

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Walking Wake [Water/Dragon]

Resists (0.25x)

Fire, Water

Resists (0.5x)

Steel

Neutral damage

Bug, Dark, Electric, Fighting, Flying, Ghost, Grass, Ground, Ice, Normal, Poison, Psychic, Rock, Stellar

Weak (2x)

Dragon, Fairy

mighty stump Dec 22, 2023, 9:37 AM

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molten oasis Suicune is a really good utility Mon

ur mom

molten oasis Dec 22, 2023, 9:37 AM

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Neat

molten oasis Dec 22, 2023, 9:37 AM

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mighty stump ur mom

bed_R4_EverStray_Bintubear_Stahp

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Tf did I do

mighty stump Dec 22, 2023, 9:37 AM

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exist

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bitch

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poliwhirlkek

molten oasis Dec 22, 2023, 9:39 AM

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GengarSad

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My existence is pain for others Painge

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ANYWAY imma go cook with wake

autumn vault Dec 22, 2023, 9:46 AM

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mighty stump When you've been tersting something new but you scrape 250

Congrats on top 250

molten oasis Dec 22, 2023, 9:46 AM

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https://pokepast.es/85b924ab8742874f alright guys, what’s the 6th I add (it hurt my soul to add fluttermane)

gentle delta Dec 22, 2023, 9:55 AM

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molten oasis https://pokepast.es/85b924ab8742874f alright guys, what’s the 6th I add (it hurt...

Iron Hands BASEDCigar

mighty stump Dec 22, 2023, 10:03 AM

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@autumn vault Don’t act like you’re slick deleting that message. If you don’t like the metagame, don’t play. Shut up

molten oasis Dec 22, 2023, 10:09 AM

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gentle delta Iron Hands <a:BASEDCigar:799283023241543700>

I slapped on banded single shifu but I will also try that

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https://pokepast.es/0960f9ac7ec42763 current team (with shifu)

ember linden Dec 22, 2023, 11:28 AM

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gentle delta Iron Hands <a:BASEDCigar:799283023241543700>

Brian Hands BASEDCigar

gentle delta Dec 22, 2023, 11:29 AM

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browhat

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AngeryPing

ember linden Dec 22, 2023, 11:29 AM

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Haha

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Suslax

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Muehehehe

feral ledge Dec 22, 2023, 11:57 AM

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Good morning everyone, I participated in a friendly tournament last night and lost (badly) so I redistributed my teams IV’s and removed Amoongus for Rillaboom. May I please get some thoughts on my team? https://pokepast.es/b930cf9e783ed14d

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Also, I keep on hearing about online tournaments after the fact. Is there a website that has these online tournaments so I can participate?

ember linden Dec 22, 2023, 11:59 AM

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https://play.limitlesstcg.com/tournaments/?game=VGC

Limitless

Tournaments | Limitless

Online tournaments made easy - Pokémon TCG, Pokémon VGC, Digimon Card Game, One Piece Card Game

feral ledge Dec 22, 2023, 12:02 PM

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Thank you!

round jacinth Dec 22, 2023, 12:02 PM

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whats one of the strongest teams for pvp right now?

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want to farm some pokemon and build a good box

dry latch Dec 22, 2023, 1:22 PM

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How does one put revival Blessin onto smeargle 🤔

cyan smelt Dec 22, 2023, 1:23 PM

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you can't

azure citrus Dec 22, 2023, 1:25 PM

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they made sure smeargle couldnt get certain moves

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as other mons had to suffer for smeargle's sins (cough darkrai)

dry latch Dec 22, 2023, 1:44 PM

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Lol aww

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Can you learn happy hour?

dull ibex Dec 22, 2023, 2:19 PM

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https://pokepast.es/8e5f80e157ab0d0e noise is replaceable

autumn vault Dec 22, 2023, 2:20 PM

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am i the only one that is excited to see weezing/regigigas in a restricted format? I love regigigas and weezing lets me use regigigas with little problem.

dull ibex Dec 22, 2023, 2:20 PM

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the probelm is its very gimmicky and wont get much use

autumn vault Dec 22, 2023, 2:20 PM

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it gets counters, but has its merits

dull ibex Dec 22, 2023, 2:20 PM

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it doesnt really have merit

autumn vault Dec 22, 2023, 2:20 PM

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plus grafaiai doodle helps

dull ibex Dec 22, 2023, 2:21 PM

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grafaiai is just bad

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doodle is pretty mid, the reason you aren't seeing hype for gigas weezing is the team isnt that good

autumn vault Dec 22, 2023, 2:22 PM

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yeah ik grafaiai isnt that good,the duo ik is not the best but i would just like to use it in an official format, plus i love regigigas

dull ibex Dec 22, 2023, 2:23 PM

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use whatever

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Im refining my ho team

autumn vault Dec 22, 2023, 2:23 PM

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i just use what i like that is viable, like the salamence team i built and an annihilape maushold in reg C with no treasures of ruin

dull ibex Dec 22, 2023, 2:24 PM

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no ruin mons wck

keen karma Dec 22, 2023, 2:24 PM

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Who tryna grind raids

dull ibex Dec 22, 2023, 2:24 PM

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Hyper offense is finally getting alot more interesting to me tbh

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like reg b level interesting

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dont minimod

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not a good idea

autumn vault Dec 22, 2023, 2:25 PM

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just deleted it

dull ibex Dec 22, 2023, 2:25 PM

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helpers will take of it if it ends up being a probelm

autumn vault Dec 22, 2023, 2:25 PM

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apologize if i did something bad

dull ibex Dec 22, 2023, 2:26 PM

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you did not

autumn vault Dec 22, 2023, 2:26 PM

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there is channels for that

keen karma Dec 22, 2023, 2:26 PM

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dull ibex Hyper offense is finally getting alot more interesting to me tbh

Fr

dull ibex Dec 22, 2023, 2:26 PM

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I despise torn

keen karma Dec 22, 2023, 2:26 PM

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dull ibex I despise torn

Fr

dull ibex Dec 22, 2023, 2:26 PM

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its very boring to use, whim is great

keen karma Dec 22, 2023, 2:26 PM

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Fr

dull ibex Dec 22, 2023, 2:26 PM

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im using encore rn

autumn vault Dec 22, 2023, 2:26 PM

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whim now has beat up from its preevolution so annihilape about to meet its best partner

keen karma Dec 22, 2023, 2:27 PM

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dull ibex im using encore rn

You would be throwing to not use it

dull ibex Dec 22, 2023, 2:27 PM

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thats a lie

keen karma Dec 22, 2023, 2:27 PM

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Whims annihilape + walking should be pretty good

dull ibex Dec 22, 2023, 2:27 PM

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taunt, fake tears, a few other things are good

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shutting down set up sweepers that protect t1 is hilarious though

autumn vault Dec 22, 2023, 2:27 PM

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keen karma You would be throwing to not use it

what if the opponent uses a set up move or protect then?

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its not a waste then

dull ibex Dec 22, 2023, 2:28 PM

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autumn vault what if the opponent uses a set up move or protect then?

3 dead turns

keen karma Dec 22, 2023, 2:28 PM

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autumn vault what if the opponent uses a set up move or protect then?

???

autumn vault Dec 22, 2023, 2:28 PM

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dull ibex 3 dead turns

exactly

keen karma Dec 22, 2023, 2:28 PM

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You are defending my point

dull ibex Dec 22, 2023, 2:28 PM

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you are agreeing with him

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both of us actually I think encore is great

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but its not a throw if you choose something else

autumn vault Dec 22, 2023, 2:29 PM

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a waste is something that is bad and replacable, encore is situatonal but worth it sometimes

keen karma Dec 22, 2023, 2:29 PM

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Encore is too good to justify something like fake tears imo

dull ibex Dec 22, 2023, 2:29 PM

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sure fake tears maybe

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that is my spicy pick but taunt is just as viable if not better overall

autumn vault Dec 22, 2023, 2:29 PM

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encore is a great move, just that whim has so many options

keen karma Dec 22, 2023, 2:29 PM

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And if they are running taunt you can just tw

dull ibex Dec 22, 2023, 2:29 PM

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get taunted

keen karma Dec 22, 2023, 2:29 PM

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I like ghost + mental

autumn vault Dec 22, 2023, 2:30 PM

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or dark if a prankster opponent uses it

dull ibex Dec 22, 2023, 2:30 PM

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dude I just encored the swords dance gambit

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now I can click specs arkeknine

autumn vault Dec 22, 2023, 2:30 PM

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dull ibex dude I just encored the swords dance gambit

that is an example of its usefullness

dull ibex Dec 22, 2023, 2:30 PM

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trick into specs

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dude doyle was saying its too good not to use

autumn vault Dec 22, 2023, 2:30 PM

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dull ibex trick into specs

danm you are evil, i love it

tired sage Dec 22, 2023, 2:31 PM

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keen karma Encore is too good to justify something like fake tears imo

it’s good if it’s partnered with a hard hitting mon like regidrago

dull ibex Dec 22, 2023, 2:31 PM

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autumn vault danm you are evil, i love it

like I said its getting interesting

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https://pokepast.es/e851cd072b5e4c53

autumn vault Dec 22, 2023, 2:31 PM

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dull ibex like I said its getting interesting

why i stopped complaining of reg E, its more inovative than i thought

dull ibex Dec 22, 2023, 2:31 PM

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plugging my team one again

autumn vault Dec 22, 2023, 2:31 PM

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every meta has issues anyways

dull ibex Dec 22, 2023, 2:31 PM

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autumn vault why i stopped complaining of reg E, its more inovative than i thought

oh im building for F not E

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im tired of E rn

autumn vault Dec 22, 2023, 2:32 PM

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dull ibex oh im building for F not E

its still true, but reg F is more

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diversity is what i love

dull ibex Dec 22, 2023, 2:33 PM

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I think you stopped complaining because mods told you to knock it off

autumn vault Dec 22, 2023, 2:33 PM

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i complained before because it was not diverse like previous meta's just wait a bit and the innovativeness will come

dull ibex Dec 22, 2023, 2:33 PM

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which is a good thing because reg e is rather diverse always was

autumn vault Dec 22, 2023, 2:33 PM

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dull ibex I think you stopped complaining because mods told you to knock it off

true

keen karma Dec 22, 2023, 2:33 PM

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dull ibex which is a good thing because reg e is rather diverse always was

Reg f is probably gonna be the same

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Just a teeny tiny bit more options

dull ibex Dec 22, 2023, 2:34 PM

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And then restricteds will be fun

autumn vault Dec 22, 2023, 2:34 PM

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did the same in reg B except it lasted like 2 days and then i destroyed flutter manes that are meta slaves. I use a lot of meta but i like using one non-meta pokemon sometimes

dull ibex Dec 22, 2023, 2:34 PM

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because ALOT of strategies open up

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I feel stupid for calling late swsh boring

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I should have given it more of a chance

autumn vault Dec 22, 2023, 2:35 PM

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i only started comp in gen 9, but i saw gen 8's comp scene and 2 restricted legends was a great idea

dull ibex Dec 22, 2023, 2:35 PM

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oh thats even more reason you should not complain tbh lmao

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you are new

autumn vault Dec 22, 2023, 2:36 PM

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i was master rank in reg B, C and one season in D, came back for the dlc, stayed for ogerpon spam.

dull ibex Dec 22, 2023, 2:36 PM

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I havent reached in masterball in a few resets

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I think I just dont care anymore

wheat ember Dec 22, 2023, 2:36 PM

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So I recently wanted to get Into competitive ladder in game. But stuff like whimsicott isn't allowed in ranked? Why is this. Did I do something wrong? And if not. When will they be legal?

autumn vault Dec 22, 2023, 2:37 PM

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i am back on the grind for master rank, just hard to matchmake with other players

next stump Dec 22, 2023, 2:37 PM

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Jan 4th they’ll be legal

keen karma Dec 22, 2023, 2:37 PM

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Sea of fire team sounds so interesting

dull ibex Dec 22, 2023, 2:38 PM

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https://pokepast.es/329117f94f976342 the reg e magnum opus

next stump Dec 22, 2023, 2:41 PM

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I got rolled by that team at a regional

ember linden Dec 22, 2023, 2:43 PM

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next stump Jan 4th they’ll be legal

January 2nd I believe

cyan smelt Dec 22, 2023, 2:43 PM

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reg f starts on jan 4th

ember linden Dec 22, 2023, 2:44 PM

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Nah you’re right I checked

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I swear I saw second on in game ladder

keen karma Dec 22, 2023, 2:44 PM

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next stump I got rolled by that team at a regional

What mons do you think prima works well with

next stump Dec 22, 2023, 2:44 PM

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I think Reg F is set to last a long time too

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like until May 1st or something

ember linden Dec 22, 2023, 2:44 PM

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Yeah till April 30th

cyan smelt Dec 22, 2023, 2:44 PM

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is that because of EUIC

ember linden Dec 22, 2023, 2:44 PM

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I think so

next stump Dec 22, 2023, 2:46 PM

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keen karma What mons do you think prima works well with

as boring as it sounds, I think just stuff like Incin/Rilla cover its weaknesses well

keen karma Dec 22, 2023, 2:47 PM

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That was gonna be my core anyways

next stump Dec 22, 2023, 2:47 PM

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Prima is weak into Rilla and Raging Bolt mainly, Incin and Rilla can help cover for opposing Rillaboom

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and then you just need a way to deal with opposing raging bolt

keen karma Dec 22, 2023, 2:47 PM

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Incin rilla flutter + solo dozo

next stump Dec 22, 2023, 2:47 PM

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Lando-I can work, Flutter can work, etc.

keen karma Dec 22, 2023, 2:48 PM

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Does it take place of flutter or double fairy is good

next stump Dec 22, 2023, 2:48 PM

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Farigarif also helps it because you’re protected from Glide/Thunderclap and can defensively tera if you need to

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mmm idk, that’s a good point. I think double fairy is probably excessive but IDK

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I had some nice games with tera grass Primarina under TR next to stuff like Incin or Rilla

keen karma Dec 22, 2023, 2:49 PM

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Interesting

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I guess it makes my tr matchups more solid

dull ibex Dec 22, 2023, 2:51 PM

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next stump I got rolled by that team at a regional

do you have any thoughts on my F team pre-format?

next stump Dec 22, 2023, 2:53 PM

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I think it will still work pretty much the same, Incineroar is a little annoying for some parts of the team but Ursaluna-BM beats it

keen karma Dec 22, 2023, 2:54 PM

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Dillon are you gonna build around paradoxes if they’re legal

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Or stick to your team

dull ibex Dec 22, 2023, 2:58 PM

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next stump I think it will still work pretty much the same, Incineroar is a little annoying...

oh no my seperate team for reg f

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I can repost if needed

next stump Dec 22, 2023, 3:03 PM

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keen karma Dillon are you gonna build around paradoxes if they’re legal

https://pokepast.es/2387d5b208313718

this is what I’ve been using lately

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double water with primarina and urshifu was tough, I thought about making it Urshifu-S but idk

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water is so nice to pick up KOs onto Chien-Pao and stuff

cyan smelt Dec 22, 2023, 3:06 PM

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i'd be interested in trying araquanid in rain i think

keen karma Dec 22, 2023, 3:08 PM

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next stump https://pokepast.es/2387d5b208313718 this is what I’ve been using lately

https://pokepast.es/4f03ee13276adf9e very similar teams

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this is what i just thought up after the talk

dawn crown Dec 22, 2023, 3:47 PM

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if you set up psychic terrain will it block your own priority

next stump Dec 22, 2023, 3:49 PM

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yes it will

keen karma Dec 22, 2023, 3:50 PM

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apparently it doesnt block triage

willow vault Dec 22, 2023, 3:50 PM

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What’s a good Tera for Primarina

next stump Dec 22, 2023, 4:03 PM

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willow vault What’s a good Tera for Primarina

grass covers for electric, grass, and amoonguss

steel is just overall a good defensive type that I've seen a bit

fairy is nice for more STAB damage and because poison isn't that common besides Lando-I

willow vault Dec 22, 2023, 4:04 PM

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next stump grass covers for electric, grass, and amoonguss steel is just overall a good de...

Thanks

gentle cragBOT Dec 22, 2023, 4:04 PM

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willow vault Thanks

crephace has given 1 Gen Rep to mlbd

willow vault Dec 22, 2023, 4:04 PM

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By the way what is the rep used for?

analog swift Dec 22, 2023, 4:06 PM

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could i get some building advice for my team for story? im only ever battling one friend online, so im not really looking for anything top tier. the only pokémon that are must haves are meowscarada, annihlape, and noivern atm

keen karma Dec 22, 2023, 4:09 PM

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analog swift could i get some building advice for my team for story? im only ever battling on...

Uhh idk abt noivern

autumn vault Dec 22, 2023, 4:09 PM

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Ngl whimsicott might make annihilape a hyper offense pokemon like maushold did in reg A B and C

keen karma Dec 22, 2023, 4:09 PM

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But meowscarada could work on a pledge team

autumn vault Dec 22, 2023, 4:09 PM

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analog swift could i get some building advice for my team for story? im only ever battling on...

All are outclasses and i hate to say it because i LOVE annihilape

analog swift Dec 22, 2023, 4:09 PM

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keen karma Uhh idk abt noivern

it’s shiny i gotta keep it for aesthetics

analog swift Dec 22, 2023, 4:10 PM

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keen karma But meowscarada could work on a pledge team

yeah i was thinking of getting a blastoise and giving it water pledge

autumn vault Dec 22, 2023, 4:10 PM

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analog swift it’s shiny i gotta keep it for aesthetics

You are hindering yourself with noivern but if you REALLY want to use it throat spray boomburst with dragon pulse air slash protect is the best i can say with tera steel

keen karma Dec 22, 2023, 4:11 PM

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Cant help you with that

analog swift Dec 22, 2023, 4:11 PM

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autumn vault You are hindering yourself with noivern but if you REALLY want to use it throat ...

hm what do you think would be a good replacement for it

autumn vault Dec 22, 2023, 4:12 PM

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analog swift hm what do you think would be a good replacement for it

Dragonite with chien pao, or salamence without partner to trigger it

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I used salamence before so ik how good it is

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Or lando-T, they share the same 4x weakness

solar breach Dec 22, 2023, 4:12 PM

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analog swift could i get some building advice for my team for story? im only ever battling on...

Legendary spam beats all : )

autumn vault Dec 22, 2023, 4:13 PM

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With strategy

analog swift Dec 22, 2023, 4:14 PM

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solar breach Legendary spam beats all : )

neither of us are using legendaries on our teams tbh, once he gets miraidon he’ll use that but thats it

solar breach Dec 22, 2023, 4:14 PM

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Fair enough

analog swift Dec 22, 2023, 4:14 PM

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autumn vault Dragonite with chien pao, or salamence without partner to trigger it

salamance might be clean ngl

autumn vault Dec 22, 2023, 4:15 PM

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analog swift salamance might be clean ngl

It is, just remember it has tailwind and can use both attacking stats,

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Just focus on one of them

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And go intimidate

summer shore Dec 22, 2023, 4:16 PM

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analog swift could i get some building advice for my team for story? im only ever battling on...

Are you playing vs ur friend in singles or doubles

autumn vault Dec 22, 2023, 4:18 PM

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analog swift hm what do you think would be a good replacement for it

Oh and btw i was talking about comp, for story use whatever you want

analog swift Dec 22, 2023, 4:20 PM

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summer shore Are you playing vs ur friend in singles or doubles

singles

summer shore Dec 22, 2023, 4:20 PM

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analog swift singles

Any specific restrictions you're playing under?

analog swift Dec 22, 2023, 4:21 PM

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nope, just set to lvl 50 for some fairness

summer shore Dec 22, 2023, 4:22 PM

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I'm guessing 6v6?

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Since your friend is gonna use miraidon

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Grab yourself koraidon walking wake and hatterene

analog swift Dec 22, 2023, 4:36 PM

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summer shore Grab yourself koraidon walking wake and hatterene

i was thinking about walking wake, but im kinda against using koraidon bc of type overlap

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and my friend already has hatterene, so itd be odd to use it as well

summer shore Dec 22, 2023, 4:39 PM

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analog swift and my friend already has hatterene, so itd be odd to use it as well

I don't see how this is an issue

summer shore Dec 22, 2023, 4:40 PM

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analog swift i was thinking about walking wake, but im kinda against using koraidon bc of typ...

Having multiple dragons is fine

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I would scrap noivern but you said that was non-negotiable so

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You need a fairy to cover up for the dragon weakness

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Especially vs a miraidon

analog swift Dec 22, 2023, 4:54 PM

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summer shore I don't see how this is an issue

it just feels wrong to copy the same mon

analog swift Dec 22, 2023, 4:55 PM

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summer shore You need a fairy to cover up for the dragon weakness

i have a gardevoir atm on the party, it’s just not a must have for me

summer shore Dec 22, 2023, 4:58 PM

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analog swift it just feels wrong to copy the same mon

to each their own 🤷‍♂️

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Its just a friendly anyway

tired sage Dec 22, 2023, 5:06 PM

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so uh…
i’m hosting a small friendly where it’s a gym leader style you get assigned one type and a tera mon that’ll be your ace… this is all the mons i’ve come up with so far…
im extremely unfamiliar with singles and was wondering if i could get some help…?

https://pokepast.es/384a295540425577

summer shore Dec 22, 2023, 5:19 PM

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tired sage so uh… i’m hosting a small friendly where it’s a gym leader style you get assign...

Can I get a quick rundown of the rules you're playing under

tired sage Dec 22, 2023, 5:20 PM

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one type “gym leader style”
singles format
you can bring one other mon (that’s not your gym type) but you’d have to tera it into your gym type.
no mythicals and legends
No dupe items

summer shore Dec 22, 2023, 5:23 PM

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Gliscor Blood Moon Sandy Shocks Chomp are decent

mighty stump Dec 22, 2023, 5:23 PM

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Tera Flutter Ground

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Easyu

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Beats Heatran for free

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💀

summer shore Dec 22, 2023, 5:24 PM

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I gotta head to bed rn but if you chuck me the message through a dm i can come back to it

tired sage Dec 22, 2023, 5:24 PM

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i could do that for my ace PikaLmao

summer shore Dec 22, 2023, 5:24 PM

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Not worth it

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I'd rather have flexibility in defensive tera options rather than bring a separate mon

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Ground is a strong typing anyway

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Blood Moon is such a ridiculous mon

polar canyon Dec 22, 2023, 5:35 PM

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https://pokepast.es/020a7fb54daec331 thoughts?

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Didnt do evs yet

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Anything I should change

dapper crag Dec 22, 2023, 5:38 PM

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Move: Electro Ball

The power of this move depends on (user's current Speed / target's current Speed), rounded down. Power is equal to 150 if the result is 4 or more, 120 if 3, 80 if 2, 60 if 1, 40 if less than 1. If the target's current Speed is 0, this move's power is 40.

Type

Electric