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https://pokepast.es/f827831f74aa461a who would be best to add
List of mons I feel stellar type would be good on that are vgc viable:
Enamorous
Terapagos
i def want a strong physical attacker but idk who
Urshifu is a good choice as is rilla
Urshifu works
I’d opt for water with Torns Rain
ok
should i go mystic water or choice scarf set?
that would work right
I dont see why you cant run Hands/Bolt on the team
Over fari or as the last slot?
Eugh Electro Shot
tofbu
Might as well try as a last slot
Yes?
hay
hai
why do you say it’s mega clickbait? The fact that it’s only worth in rain? Btw t bolts been great
hru this morninggg
It’s not STAB and needs rain to use without wasting an item slot on herb
that’s what I thought
Yeah lol
Only against certain matchups do you have a guarantee
I.e no weather/no sun
specifying cause sun/torn are two different things
and that as a generalist id prefer running tbolt so im not forced to run something else
that sets Rain for me
is this good
mhm
i just need to make an ev spread
Probably want priority in Aqua Jet over U-turn, U-Turn is better on scarf variants so you pull it off without getting hit
252atk/252spe
finally
Can dump 4 into HP or SpD whatever your pref
https://pokepast.es/e62d347fb6f5c101 i just really need either another support or another physical attacker but i dont want it to rely on rain
Amoongus
Speaking of Electro Shot
I’m gonna probably try some HO version of Archaludon to fully form an opinion
I’m still not convinced about it but we’ll see
bp?
BP?
body press
No
they got the mini sprites for the new mons in
Thank god
Oh the Archa sprite is so nice
this is good correct
Archaludon @ Life Orb
Ability: Stalwart
Level: 50
Tera Type: Stellar
EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Modest Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Electro Shot
- Draco Meteor
- Flash Cannon
- Protect
How would I start about eving raging bolt?
Electric/Dragon
Protosynthesis
125/73/91/137/89/75
590
i went 252 hp 252 spa
it’s bulk is not ideal
it has plenty of bulk
It’s bulk is amazing wym
especially for the damage it can dish out
i want to use the paradox mons but i dont want to find out on the 25th they arent legal
But im currently trying to translate some JPN builds
Unfortunately I don’t read the language
comfey… works in a weird way
https://x.com/pokeguli/status/1736569323710452145?s=20 dyk what this is?
its top 3 but idk wth its top 3 in
It’s probably one of Cobalt’s tours
are those on limitless
what amoongus tera would be the best for my team? https://pokepast.es/f2c118c31c690bcc i dont really want to run fire due to rain
water moongus maybe…?
wait actually tofu what are your sources to get jpn teams
i wanna watch their tourneys
but i have no idea where to find them
mb read it wrong lmao
how would I ev it? Max max?
and Liberty Note
I said I read it wrong
leave me alone lmao
thinking of teams
About to shiny hunt Duraludon
Throw you really called aipom lover
drago gimme a random mon to use
aye bruh anime aipom
You already know what I’m about to say
Don’t hate lol
no i dont
Hydrapple
wait that is predictable
Called it lol
hydrapple + comfey ig
https://pokepast.es/3545220b87cf8e4f If I had to run Electro Shot
Tryna ev bolt
It’s has great bulk, just max max
I feel that’s the only time you do electro shot
With rain from torn or pelipper
different mon man
Probably
They’re that better? Lmao
ThrowDatLoverMonke
Bulwark is cool but you can still get spored so idk if I really like it over protect
Ok good I was confused for a sec
You better
they already have spreads for raging
Drago you went to Japan for a week
You should know Japanese
Damn it not again Dad
i just used duolingo Im a pro 💪
Pfp change up time
eww

Ok
Recite a whole Harry Potter book to me in Japanese
Stfu its the best I could get for the time being

New pfp goes hard
Going to Japan for a week doesn’t suddenly make me fluent
Body Press, Body Slam, Breaking Swipe, Crunch, Double-Edge, Dragon Hammer, Dragon Tail, Earthquake, Facade, Giga Impact, Heavy Slam, Outrage, Stomp, Stomping Tantrum, Supercell Slam, Take Down, Thunder Fang, Wild Charge
Ancient Power, Charge Beam, Discharge, Draco Meteor, Dragon Breath, Dragon Pulse, Electro Ball, Electroweb, Hyper Beam, Hyper Voice, Rising Voltage, Shock Wave, Snarl, Solar Beam, Tera Blast, Thunder, Thunderbolt, Thunderclap, Twister, Volt Switch, Weather Ball, Zap Cannon
Calm Mind, Charge, Dragon Cheer, Eerie Impulse, Electric Terrain, Endure, Protect, Rest, Roar, Scary Face, Sleep Talk, Substitute, Sunny Day, Taunt, Thunder Wave
A move displayed with Bold text benefits from Same-Type Attack Bonus when used by Raging Bolt.
But osmosis
sounds like a skill issue
Yeah Tofu isn't that how it works?

Like honestly once you get there, you just get put in a different dub
what moveset and item for raging bolt
I refuse to watch any dubbed movies
Tbolt thunderclap Draco/pulse and protect
99% of the time dub is just done badly
I’ve liked lefties and calm mind/tclap/dpulse/prot
sadge
Has a 100% chance to make the target flinch. Fails unless it is the user's first turn on the field.
Normal
Physical
40
100
10 (16)
3
Copied by Mirror Move.
Makes contact.
Sadge
Sadge indeed
wait
Waiting
itd be less bad if there was better meshing between the emotion and the voice of the lines
You're one of those gatekeepers huh
"If you're not watching it in Japanese sub, then you're not getting the true experience"
draining kiss on comfey outspeeds fake out
Morning chat tahc gninroM
Both voice lines are cringe, the dub just does it janky
Lol
dubs are shit tho
Honestly for the gatekeeper reason, I love those moments where the English dub does it better/puts more emotion
Just a big ol fuck you to them
But its not about “more emotion”
They actually drive me to a point of like
“Fuck this I’m not watching it”
its the delivery
Cool ways to proc weakness policy 
Depends on the dub, because FMAB’s dub is 👌👌👌
The Boy and The Heron’s dub is pretty alright
Tbh it’s true
Cyberpunk Edgerunners is dub and sub done right
I can’t believe Batman voices one of the characters
Still need tonwatch that
Sukuna v Mahoraga also was done well in sub and dub
Yeah but also at the same time
Like stfu bro we're both still watching an anime about a mfer eating fingers
It’s a different experience though
One piece has a decent dub
Yall down to grind BP?
Edgerunners was so fucking good
I'm sad Arcane beat it that year
Luffy is, luffy prevents me from touching the dub whatsoever
Touch finger? I can't i ate all

I will say that Luffy dub kinda sucks
do you read manga
Wtf how did you get such good fansrt
for jjk
I’ve only watched AoT ds and fmab. And I guess some of the pokemon and bakugan anime 
Im mainly manga only
I dont have the patience for animations sometimes and I read fast
I also like how like a good chunk of the voice cast for DBZ dub was introduced at the start lmao
Eren VA is pretty good
In OP
how do you feel about the recent chapters in terms of quality
The manga ended?
Tho?
Zoro and franky English va go hard
Eren VA very good and also inosuke in the dub which confuses me
Ch235?
no it didnt
Like Vegeta and Piccolo is Zoro
Trunks is Sanji
Krillin is Usopo
it ends in a year
It ended at 235?
What item for raging bolt? Booster energy?
Lefties imo
Although I can’t ever deny SUUUUPERRRRR in the Japanese dub
Christopher Sabat ain't horrible
i think you mean 236
They’re better than most
All i know is the past couple chapters have been some fanmade spinoff
I think Ichigo and Bakugo are voiced by the same guy
it feels like jjk fell off

it just dont feel the same 😔
Good
Yeah I love the ice picks
I see (I’ve never seen bleach or mha they confuse and frighten me)
Personally JJK is just one of my favourites cause also I get to talk about it with my friends
You’ve never seen Bleach? damn
i talk about it with my friend all the time
and i talk abt blue lock too
Bleach is good
MHA is not the greatest but ain't bad
Lot of people get turned off by the fanbase
Yeahhh. My dad watched it I think. Maybe I’ll ask him about it sometime
blue lock jjk and kaiju no 8 are what i read mostly
Fair
but for some reason the schedule for kaiju no 8 makes it hard for me to keep up
Kaiju No 8 is scheduling trouble
i never know when chapters are dropping
I tried code geass but I didn’t jive with it imo
You know what’s based af
My girlfriend knows Air Gear and Yu Yu Hakusho
and I was like god damn
thats a W
I hit the jackpot
Yay I got a better one scrolling google for a second
That one is pretty fire
Ah Fruits Basket
I agree
i binged it in a week
“100 Ghost Stories to Tell Before My Death”
went in unsatisfied cried when it ended
You know what made me cry
86
Peak anime
I watched that one set of Star Wars based anime. Two of them were very cool
Hmm
i actually never saw 86
never heard anything about it either
but like i was going to watch it
I kinda teared up last when Luffy finally defeated Kaido, like happy tears
That’s why I can happily say its underrated as fuck
I’ve heard about initial d and evangelion
Evangelion frightens me
Real gust of emotion happened with that insane track in the background
Music hits me if done right
Evangelion is good for what it was at the time but its not a “ill rewatch it” type anime
Like its cerebral
lmao
i love evangelion
Another server I’m in loves it, even though it has nothing to do with it
Gurren Laggan >
I will not watch evangelion anytime soon
i love the webtoon
Have a list of things I need to watch
Gundam >
Gundam goes so hard
No

You just need pretty colours to stay stimulated ADHDBoy
Honestly death note goes hard
I so want to watch a mecha anime that isn’t hyperviolent/sus/sad
Dearh Note is so overrated
Like big robot go brrr
Your taste is wrong
I feel the same way with my hero
You eat chicken nuggets from a microwave
I think my hero is insanely overrated
Don’t talk to me about taste
i still have yet to finish
My hero is popular that's it
i was binging then frieren dropped
You’ve seen the average mha fan right red?
I need to watch Frieren
Mha just weirds me out. Idk why
they’re something else to say the least
DanDaDan fell off
ok being totally unbiased (death note is like the only anime I’ve ever watched) best anime I’ve ever seen
I eat trash and still have better taste than you
me
Gachiakuta is super underrated
No wonder it’s your favorite
one anime that is underrated is blue period

Sorry what?
This is the most cap thing I’ve ever seen
The average my hero fan is a boring anime normie
what?
SAYS THE DEATH NOTE ENJOYER
There's nothing special about the my hero Fandom
its so good
I don't watch anime
Aot is one of the anime ever
No just the title is weird
ALL U DO IS WRITE BOOK, THIRST OVER A BLONDE AND DIE
I am not even anime normie
its just about art
Tbf the blonde was simping for him
Did you ever watch Nagi No Asukara?
they're special in the wrong ways
That shit hurded

thats on my list
The dbz Fandom is just as annoying, the jojo's Fandom is just as bad
Naruto, etc. They're equally as cringe
Idk but there’s this one anime about weird monsters you catch in balls. I think you could make a video game or trading card game based on it
Nah, it’d never take off
As a jojo's fan They're just as bad
You can’t just equalise literally every fandom for being individually cringe though
DBZ scales at the top
They're all cringe because they're super popular
MHA scales cringe in a different manner
Popularity attracts cringe imo
Me staring at unproblematic Gundam fans be like
They all have stupid degenerate morons
"But can they beat goku?" 🤓
Gundam fans are also fucking annoying
hey.. its not that bad
it could've been better though
Popular not = cringe
Popular does equal cringe
But big robot 🥺🥺🥺 (I’ve never seen a gundam anime)
I'm not going to listen to counter arguments
I’ll keep cherishing my Banana Fish
The what
Oof
I've had mostly kind interactions with zelda fans, they have cringe idiots too

Isn’t Zelda like 3 timelines
do you like sports anime/manga
Oh yeah I watched part of the volleyball anime. That was fun
If I ever actually feel like learning about Zelda (never played the games) I’ll be sure to track you down then
haikyuu???
Anyways my hero is a fine show, over hyped.
Ya
i meant to ask tofu
Dbz is the one I have beef with
Because you like literally any anime and those idiots go BUT DBZ DID IT FIRST!!!! CAN THEY BEAT GOKU
at least their show is good though
That's the thing
Blue Lock is undeniably great
Dragon ball is great
After so many years itd be interesting if one piece was shit
Idk I don’t actively seek out anime to watch. I usually just see what’s recommended/already on
Did you hear
im caught up still to this day even after that bullshit arc
But I never want to watch it because people shove it down my throat
They’re remaking OP already
And still one piece has stinkers
Yeah
Yeah like how fucking long has it been
Its gone on for so long
also anime tends to be way too long for to watch
The jokes write themselves
They gotta be doing something right
ADD headass
It’s our chance to finally get the “the real one piece was the friends we made along the way” ending
AoT had like, 4 final seasons lul
They have a fanbase Stockholm’d into something mid
studio wit boutta cook so hard
I'm a big youtube series guy
actually what was their last project
Paldean winds lul
It truly was a Jujutsu Kaisen
Paldean Winds was fire though
Honestly speaking of Fandom nintendo fans general ones tend to be annoying
I just think it's interesting for the fact cuz I didn't think pirates and anime would mix
Hard agree
I gotta run, nice seeing you again Tofu 
What is paldean winds?
S/V prequel anime
Oh that sounds cool
Pokemon generations was fire
Yessssss
bai eni
If it's a youtube anime and it's short I probably watched it
Anything and anime can fit
Anythjng can be a show if its done right lol
Emphasis on done right
are you guys watching solo leveling
My life in an anime
the animation looks underwhelming compared to the webtoon's art
and im kinda over it
plays the isekai meme continuously
Honestly I prefer manga cause I get to save potential tattoo frames
animation wise
Records of Ragnarok be like
Slideshow time
i was hyped for that too
i doubt another studio would've picked it up probably because of a situation like vagabond and berserk
wait actually no nvm
Umm this is comp chat /j

https://x.com/WolfeyGlick/status/1736957113581154802?s=20 is it bad that I think this is a valid take
oh do magmar and electabuzz finally get eviolite
They’ve always been able to hold eviolite
yes
They got follow me, and their abilities are static/flame body can utilize it actually pretty well
is that the main buff?
Electric
Motor Drive, Vital Spirit (Hidden)
75/123/67/95/85/95
540
Fire
Flame Body, Vital Spirit (Hidden)
75/95/67/125/95/83
540
I say it makes them better than they’re evos
ah, so eviolite magmar with follow me might have a niche
you could just make the prevos follow me bots
and like thats all they are there for
surely magmar also gets will-o?
Fire
Flame Body, Vital Spirit (Hidden)
65/95/57/100/85/93
495
Magmar gets helping hand and taunt
Electric
Static, Vital Spirit (Hidden)
65/83/57/95/85/105
490
Prob don’t need will o, since you have flame body
its only gonna work on electabuzz
nah they suck
the only thing i imagine electabuzz being important for is shifu
Just run Zapdos
if only zapdos got follow me
or rage powder
rage powder wouldnt make sense
i really like sinistcha
i wanna try making it work this format
it probably works really well on rain teams
well think about it
birds are pollenators
so they carry pollen
zapdos is a big bird, so it would carry a lot of the stuff
and the static would make the pollen angry
so rage powder
Battlecats food lol
so rain
No?
I’ve like shown my team with 0 rain and archaludon and sinistcha like more times than I’ve ever showed a team
one thing i havent seen much of is terakion + whims
@mighty stump low ladder is so scary bro
Please let me know if I should stop making these
fr
Dw
You will
Its the ultimate Bo1 team lol
I want to say it’s an egg move, is that right Tofu??
Ah
oh okok
Have Incineroar with a free moveslot + holding a mirror herb, then picnic with sometbing that knows Fake Out
It doesnt have to be the same egg group or anything
That naturally learns it
just make sure its just Incin and Fake Out Mon
Nope
Depends on the weather
i was trying out drought +zard
Bo3 tho?
That’s fine if you wish to have fun, but in terms of viability and wanting to win I wouldn’t do that.
yeah I was spamming that on sword
kinda stuck rn on greatball tier with that team
prolly gonna pivot to urshifu I guess 
or wait till venosaur can be used
.....i think it gets perish song
Yeah dewgong gets fakeout + perish ^^
Wait is this cooking…
Welp, I’m about to embark on quite the undertaking. Trying to make a team for Rampardos.
surely redirection + good defensive typing will carry you
I don’t have the dlc yet, unfortunately, but I was thinking of trying my hand with a mixed Stellar Tera set with him, but some redirection will definitely be necessary XD
I know the game has gotten very damn hostile for it, but he’s my favorite fossil mon, so I figured it was time to hunker down and treat him as such.
Would weezing balance with gouging flame work?
Worth a shot
I'm thinking to take a rain team to Portland with pelipper, archaludon, sinistcha, urshifu
Have to think about the other two mon
Throw tornadus on it lmao. Rain dance setter, you could run bleakwind/hurricane and have 100% accuracy in rain.
The problem is taunt on torn and whims
https://pokepast.es/b0249ef234dabb42 ok so i made an adjustment
Maybe oblivious Illumise? Or Tera Dark. Lol. Just throwing things out there, I’m sure you already know 😂
Is the stellar Pokémon type good on anyone?
Not really
Offensively it can work
Defensively not at all
Two experimental ones RN are maybe Rilla and Porygon 2
How does it work anyways?
Lemon cake and bread
Am I in a fuckin bakery rn?
Anyways
Stellar works like this
So lemme
So it's once per move type you get boost from tera
So it would best help a Pokémon with multiple move types?
So say
Metagross @ Metal Coat
Ability: Clear Body
Level: 50
Shiny: Yes
Tera Type: Water
EVs: 252 HP / 100 Atk / 68 Def / 68 SpD / 20 Spe
Adamant Nature
- Bullet Punch
- Meteor Mash
- Stomping Tantrum
- Protect
Here is a set, 2 steel and a ground right
If I use Stellar to boost Bullet Punch, it'll boost that but then next turn I won't be able to boost Meteor Mash with it cuz it's been used for that type
But it'll boost Tantrum
In a way yes
But a good amount of mons that do that already want another tera anyways so
You get to boost each type of move once @queen monolith
Ohhh. Got it
So if I were to use it, someone like urshifu or Koraidon would benefit it well?
From what I've heard it only seems to be viable on rillaboom and porygon-2
Huh I wonder why
Not sure. I watched a good video on it that I can link you to
Wait. Only porygon 2? Not porygon z?
🤷 Idk what I'm talking about I'm just repeating what I've heard
I haven't started playing competitively yet
Same ngl
Normal
Tera Shell
95/95/110/105/110/85
600
Terapagos
Normal
Tera Shift
90/65/85/65/85/60
450
Terapagos-Terastal, Terapagos-Stellar
Normal
Tera Shell
95/95/110/105/110/85
600
Terapagos
Normal
Teraform Zero
160/105/110/130/110/85
700
Terapagos
What weaknesses does grass/water really have?
I want to make a good team with Gholdengo, what should I pair it up with?
Tornadus, Hands, Whimsicott, Incineroar
These are just examples
Basically things that can help enable it to set up and sweep or just sweep depending on the set you wanna use
Bundle says hello
Yeah
That's 4x weak then
But that’s really it right?
What moves should I have on whimsiscott?
So like Wellspring for example just gets fucking deleted
And tera starstorm seems to delete it too.
What do you wanna use with it?
Tailwind is a must, but the rest
Terapagos isn't legal rn so it's alright
That’s fair.
Maybe something to stall if that makes sense
can smeargle use tera starstorm lol
Or do statues conditions
?
Why stall
Is there a good Pokémon to team up with water Tera Cetitan?
Cetitan kinda got power crept
Honestly if you don't know competitive, I'd do some research before getting in
Sounds like a hassle, but knowing some basic knowledge can help A LOT
I have a somewhat team
Here is a list of all of the resources I find most helpful when playing/learning VGC:
https://www.vgcguide.com/ (Helpful website for basics and also to get your feet wet)
https://www.pikalytics.com/ (Shows you usage data and helps you build Pokémon)
https://nerd-of-now.github.io/NCP-VGC-Damage-Calculator/ (Damage calculator that is very helpful when building teams or reflecting on games)
https://youtube.com/c/CybertronVGC (Best channel for daily VGC content, guiding you through the thought process you need for success)
https://victoryroadvgc.com/ (Tournament results, team reports and breakdowns, and rental codes can be found here)
https://twitter.com/VGCPastes - Tournament and high ranked teams
https://twitter.com/vgccorner - Helpful Twitter account that posts in-depth EV spreads and ideas about competitive pokemon
There are dozens of other resources, some of which are in the pinned messages of this channel. But these IMO are the best places to start absorbing knowledge and getting to a place where you're comfortable with VGC
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After these credits I’ll find them and run them by you. I just need a 6th team member.
I want like a support whismiscott
So Whimsicott
Whimsicott is support Mon
Prankster stuff
I remember scizor, magnezone. ceruledge, corviknight, and I’m missing one more I can’t remember
Yeah pretty much, it's been while since I've been in comp so I need to remember things lol
What format is it before I go further
Oh! Coalossal

Idk yet. Would singles or doubles be better?
You can do either or
I will say there's a bigger demographic in here for doubles but
It's whatever floats your boat
I’ll probably aim more for doubles then
So Whimsicott is support
Did you ever see the Whimsicott Justified strat from early SwSh?
Nah
Ok so I get a general idea
How long has it been since you touched comp
Is it good to replace tornadus with whimsicot or just keep tornadus as prankster support ?
About 6 months ngl
Either or
Both viable
Also depends on team
So I'd say Reg B?
Ye
Is there big difference between whimsicot and tornadus as prankster support ?
Ok so when paradoxes were the strongest in the format
Damn got some catching up
Is eviolite duraludon smart at all?
Coalossal?
Tornadus runs Rain Dance a lot and has Bleakwind so can do big damage
Whimsicott kinda supports more than damages but you can do some stuff with it that I'll bring up in a sec so stay tuned
What about coalossal?
Not a horrible idea
Archaludon ain't bad
Coalossal sucks
Coalossal ain't it
What about weakness policy with steam engine and endure to guarantee survive?
Also welcome back Drago thx I kinda need some help lol
It’s very gimmicky
So Drago if you don't mind, you take lemon cake, I take Lucky, sound good
Weakness policy on mons that isn’t armarouge are not good or consistent
It’s fine on arma because of weak armor
But if he’s hit with water it’ll trigger both and give him a speed, atk, and sp atk buff
@fleet spindle so iirc you thought of Goldie?
And then still not ohko snythjng
Rock/Fire
Steam Engine, Flame Body, Flash Fire (Hidden)
110/80/120/80/90/30
510
Or no it was Whimsicott
YEAAA what is it killing with that even at +2
couldn't you side proc steam engine with aqua jet
At +2 it’s just a normal damaging Mon lol
Aqua jet is still a water move
So the team so far is scizor, magnezone, corviknight, ceruledge.
So here's the deal @fleet spindle there's a few ways we can go
- Just TW team
- Have balance with TW (Incin can be used on both
Or 3. Do you remember MausApe?
What format is this for?
I’m thinking of going doubles
I have no clue- I’m new to comp
Ok
@bold geode I remember mauseape
Do you plan to play in scarlet and violet?
Yes
So funnily enough
To recap
In early SwSh
There was a Justified strat
Justified is an ability that Lucario had that boosts your attack when getting hit by Dark moves
So Whimsicott had Beat Up to proc Lucario
Do you see where I'm getting at
Do you want to play the upcoming format on showdown (a site to play Pokémon) or play the current format which only has 2ish more weeks to go
Id suggest the upcoming but up to you
Isn’t showdown a computer Pokémon Battle game?
Yep. It is also playable on phone through a browser
If you don't Lucky, then Annihilape and Whimsicott
Gives Ape TW support, which is liked, and Beat Up to stack Rage Fist just like MausApe would do
Ah. I’ve never touched showdown
To test and learn yiu should
And Annihilape likes to face off against our good ol kitty named Incineroar which is huge
You don’t waste nearly a much time building something in game just for it to go south
Ooooh I get it
I got most of a team set up though for scarlet and violet
um
I had help with it though
Is flutter mane good in vgc
here’s the thing, your current 4 don’t synergize with eachother very well
So with Whimsicott, you can start with that duo
I'd go with your own Incin too cuz well why not in this economy, and then the other 3 are for you to look up and figure it out
Do bears shit in the woods
Yes
And are pretty ok to just not good in the current forms
There you go
Oh ok
Dang.
What held item should I give whim?
So who would go well with ceruledge?
Lol
Sorry if came off like a smartass but asking that kinda falls in that line for the regulars in here
Are you sure you want ceru? I dont think ceru is very good atm
Yeah Flutter Mane does insane damage it's too good
It’s a grass Tera ceruledge with flash fire
You will struggle with it
Sash or Cloak
Depends if you wanna go Ghost tera or not to avoid Fake Out or if you wanna do Cloak for that
It is pretty bad into the most common archetype being Tornadus urshifu
If Cloak, Steel tera or hell even Poison looks nice
Which urshifu?
Like I saw a Poison Whimsicott somewhere and the sense it made
I have one
Let’s, let’s start with shifu, sound good?
Ok. As stated before, urshifu is very good with torn
Me whenever I have any trouble at all
You’ll want to change that to fire
WATER
Bitch what
idk where fire came from fuck
I was starting to say lmao
Water Tera for surging strikes stab?
Yessir
Then would you like to do mystic water which amplifies the damage of surging but makes you slower or do scarf which makes you faster but only lets you click 1 move
He’s a hardy urhsifu. That matter?
Your nature matters a lot
I think mystic water sounds better.
Urshifu runs jolly or adamant rn
But mine has +spd right now. Wouldn’t I want that?
Man at some point I gotta build with Ape now
Knowing the actual value of it
Like before even with sound theory, I thought it'd be shotty
But wow
Urshifu is not a Mon yiu build defensively
I'm honestly amazed with myself that I called it
You build it to maybe some hit but usually you just want to build it fast and offensive
I called ape being good as well
But wouldn’t hardly be good then? +spd but -sp atk
Just like I started the hydrspple Prima stuff and now we’re seeing it pretty common
Hardy *
#monkediditfirst
It’s special defense is too low to get value out of it
Actually rn everyone did it first lol
I feel like half the ladder is Ape
It needs A LOT of investment
But his sp def isn’t being effected at all
I called it like 2 weeks before reg f started on showdown lol
It was lowering his special attack
Mine was 3-4
At least
Once again, it needs to be offensive and fast
Remember I spread the propaganda
Now to spread misinformation
Spidops y'all
How’s that look? About to change it to water Tera
Don't do that lol
Lemon shifu doesn’t invest a ton into bulk as it misses out of important speed tiers and kos
If you’re doing mystic water you use Surging Aqua jet close combat and detect
I want to have a fast physical attacker, what should I use?
Who would I put with urshifu?
Is urshifu allowed in comp yet?
Tornadus
Let me see if I got him
It has been legal for about 6 months now. Since June
I believe
Ah
If not I’d suggest getting your hands on one as it’s very strong
Would galarian zapdos do any good?
can’t believe I just said that I despise Tornadus
Gapdos is good
I wouldn’t add it to your team atm
Has been for a while
Courtesy of Reg D
Which form tornadus?
Incarnate
Do NOT do Therian lmao
Prankster adds priority to all status moves
Yes Therian is not good
You do prankster, then run bleakwind storm, tailwind, taunt, and rain dance
Mean 🥺
Honestly if you wanna be like informed on what is legal, just go to teambuilder, select Reg F as format, and have a look
Once we do moves and mons I’ll send you some ev spreads to follow
Got it. Transferring him over now
Fuck the chicken
Do you know what evs are?
Woah
I would like to use Serperior sometime soon if it’s legal what moves would it run other than leaf storm
Ayo?
Gotta season it
???
tera blast with stellar tera
Aerial Ace, Aqua Tail, Bind, Body Slam, Breaking Swipe, Brutal Swing, Bullet Seed, Cut, Double-Edge, Dragon Tail, Facade, Frustration, Giga Impact, Grassy Glide, Hold Back, Iron Tail, Knock Off, Leaf Blade, Natural Gift, Outrage, Petal Blizzard, Pursuit, Return, Rock Smash, Scale Shot, Secret Power, Seed Bomb, Slam, Strength, Tackle, Take Down, Trailblaze, Vine Whip, Wrap
Dragon Pulse, Energy Ball, Frenzy Plant, Giga Drain, Grass Knot, Grass Pledge, Hidden Power, Hyper Beam, Leaf Storm, Leaf Tornado, Magical Leaf, Mega Drain, Mirror Coat, Round, Snore, Solar Beam, Swift, Tera Blast, Twister, Wring Out
Aromatherapy, Attract, Calm Mind, Captivate, Coil, Confide, Defog, Double Team, Endure, Flash, Gastro Acid, Glare, Grassy Terrain, Growth, Helping Hand, Leech Seed, Leer, Light Screen, Mean Look, Nature Power, Protect, Reflect, Rest, Safeguard, Scary Face, Sleep Talk, Snatch, Substitute, Sunny Day, Swagger, Sweet Scent, Swords Dance, Synthesis, Taunt, Torment, Toxic, Work Up, Worry Seed
A move displayed with Bold text benefits from Same-Type Attack Bonus when used by Serperior.
Oh yes
Kinda. I know beating some Pokémon gives ev training for certain stats and boosts them.
No not like that lmao
Honestly hold up how do I
Yes stellar Tera would be, fine with serperior
Yeah I got that
Ok
What about 3rd and 4th move slot tho
protect and a 3rd attacking move
Giga drain
@molten oasis how did I describe it?
Would glare be any useful
Yes that’s basically it
For Serperior? Hold up lemme
No don’t do flare
Maril gives hp ev’s. I know that.
Should I go tera fairy with gholdengo? Or something else?
👍
Aerial Ace, Aqua Tail, Bind, Body Slam, Breaking Swipe, Brutal Swing, Bullet Seed, Cut, Double-Edge, Dragon Tail, Facade, Frustration, Giga Impact, Grassy Glide, Hold Back, Iron Tail, Knock Off, Leaf Blade, Natural Gift, Outrage, Petal Blizzard, Pursuit, Return, Rock Smash, Scale Shot, Secret Power, Seed Bomb, Slam, Strength, Tackle, Take Down, Trailblaze, Vine Whip, Wrap
Dragon Pulse, Energy Ball, Frenzy Plant, Giga Drain, Grass Knot, Grass Pledge, Hidden Power, Hyper Beam, Leaf Storm, Leaf Tornado, Magical Leaf, Mega Drain, Mirror Coat, Round, Snore, Solar Beam, Swift, Tera Blast, Twister, Wring Out
Aromatherapy, Attract, Calm Mind, Captivate, Coil, Confide, Defog, Double Team, Endure, Flash, Gastro Acid, Glare, Grassy Terrain, Growth, Helping Hand, Leech Seed, Leer, Light Screen, Mean Look, Nature Power, Protect, Reflect, Rest, Safeguard, Scary Face, Sleep Talk, Snatch, Substitute, Sunny Day, Swagger, Sweet Scent, Swords Dance, Synthesis, Taunt, Torment, Toxic, Work Up, Worry Seed
A move displayed with Bold text benefits from Same-Type Attack Bonus when used by Serperior.
I’ll send you a site that shows what to ev train off of
And Serperior would be a Special by my guess
It’s best coverage is like dragon pulse
Yes it’s special
That’s why I think serp kinda blows
Dragon grass coversge goes to the goat
Unfortunately but I like it
What Tera for tornadus?
Ghost
I can’t have him remember bleakwind storm
What level is he?
70
Tf
@empty haven probably Storm/Pulse/Protect and possibly Tera Water Blast?
He doesn’t know it already and it’s not in the remember moves thing
I might be here for a small minute. Do a raid to get candies
Well
Hold on let’s get the team built first
So you can just get it all done in one go
I got water urshifu. Tornadus.
Next, hmm
That’s it
For now do you have access to a hisuian arcanine?
I should
let’s go there next then
I’ll check rq
I have one. Level 42.
Bold nature though.
You know what mints do right?
Yes
Aight Drago imma hop off
I need to get some sleep
Yea plz recover from, that, today
Which mint should I give him?
That was cringe asf
Did you hear a loud pop during that or snap?
Adamant
NO WHAT HAPPENED???
did you break your keyboard?
Nothing
Just me attempting to air out my laptop with a hole

Urshifu. Tornadus. And hisui arcanine. What’s next?
Is your pc fine???
Id be mad that guy is insanely cringe
Hmm
I have an iron first conkuldurr. Any good for the team?
But yeah I gotta get some sleep
I might fuck around and find out something tomorrow idk
Possibly figure out Annihilape shit
We can either go iron hands, which is an insanely bulky Mon, or rillaboom which is a fairly bulky Mon with grassy terrain and very hard hitting moves
Ight, go sleep now, gn
Nini
I don’t have rillaboom. So iron hands it is
Do you have the dlc?
Yep. But not enough bp yet
Gotta grind that out
Incineroar is a must have
For competitive
Hands is fine btw both are good options
Do I want iron hands with a relaxed nature or mint?
Adamant again? I thought relaxed for def
No hands has high enough def
https://pokepast.es/73ddb25522a31519 here’s some evs and sets for the mons id suggest following
So we can do a few things for the last 2 mons
We can do chien pao, which blowers defense of all surrounding it which is great for urshifu and harc
Lowers*
We can do fluttermane, which is a Mon basically known for being a nuke
We can do amoonguss, which is a fantastic support Mon
Spore rage powder and pollen puff is great support for your team in most situations
We can do gholdengo, a Mon that sets up with nasty plot and then can sweep teams, great defensive typing too
What about chien-pao and amoonguss and leave fluttermane alone?
Well imo you need some kind of special attacker here
That is fair.
You could do either gholdengo fluttermane or Regidrago
I think I’ll keep amoonguss here. He has effect spore too
ignoring the shellos, whats a good moveset for each of these
Seems I lost my fluttermane- one second.
(doubles)
You can do gholdengo too if you’d like
You can get it set up fairly easily with fake out pressure and redirection from amoonguss
Ngl I don’t really like gholdengo
let’s do flutter then
K just need to go grab a new one
You’ll prob be suggested dengo in the future for whatever reasons so be open to to new mons like that, even if you’re not fond of designs
What feels off about it?
Idk. The typing, how a scrappy Pokémon or something with trick and ring target can easily make it get hit hard
The holder's type immunities granted solely by its typing are negated.
the only mon with scrappy is hisuian decidueye and it's not good
Yeaaaa I don’t think that’s in scarlet and violet
it is
And yea you don’t need to worry about scrappy at all
What, well it’s niche asf then
Literally have NEVER seen that item in my life
Fairy counters dragon, fighting, and dark. And urshifu is a fighting type
You can add flutter it’s fine
I just need to catch one
You’re reasonings for dengo being off just don’t apply to vgc much
As scrappy is a bad ability and nothing is running ring target
Eh I’ll use dengo
Well scrappy isn’t a bad ability it’s just on bad mons lol
The only one you can use good as gold
I meant nature. Mb
Oh yes modest
It’s past midnight and I was up early for work
But okay. Modest it is
What about amoonguss?
Alr, here’s a paste to follow to build the team
Everything in here is tested by me and a bunch of others
If you have questions feel free to ask
Grass
Electric, Fairy, Fighting, Water
Bug, Dark, Dragon, Ghost, Ground, Normal, Poison, Rock, Steel, Stellar
Fire, Flying, Ice, Psychic
Grass-types are immune to Powder-based Moves.
Poison-types cannot be Poisoned.
Electric, Grass, Water
Ground
Dark, Fighting, Fire, Ghost, Normal, Psychic, Rock, Steel, Stellar
Bug, Dragon, Fairy, Flying, Poison
Ice
Grass-types are immune to Powder-based Moves.
K I’ll look at that tomorrow after I wake up
It feels poorly if you don';t bring a rain mode
And even with Stellar tera you kinda miss out on some KOs at +1
Hello
Damn its you
Caught a flutter mane yesterday, should I just train it like the smogon website recommends?
If you’re playing singles yes
Depends, what format do you plan on playing
I'm not sure yet
If its VGC, reference Pikalytics.com
If its Singles Ubers, then you go to Smogon.
If its BSS or In-game Singles, also use Pikalytics.com
In game singles for now thanks
Man idk what stats those are
Use the Regulation D build, it should work out.
K ty
in order: HP/Atk/SpA/Def/SpDef/Spe
Wait woops
I mistyped the SpA and Def
HP/ATK/DEF/SPA/SPEF/SPE
https://x.com/maxwellflinch/status/1736501465626350077?s=46&t=MNRLY0fyCI16nxLOhTMDHw imagine if you encountered walking wake this way 🤦♂️
Oh my god it's so cold outside my hair froze in 3 minutes
@mighty stump so it seems like the teammates should be cresselia, tornadus, among us, and chien pao
What should I use for the 6th?
It’s certainly fun and quirky
Never 100% about evs. Will have to do some calculations later. But surely this'll be a good team if paradoxs are allowed. Speed control, weather control, terrain control, and some hard hitting tanks. And fire water grass core. https://pokepast.es/8e0a8cd95b53e205
Besides cresselia, tornadus, among us and chien pao what's a good 6th mon to go with flutter mane? Using it for the game itself not online yet
I assume urshifu would be decent?
does parting shot have priority?
So me and my friends are creating our own gyms with signature typing and mind happens to be ground typing.
Rules are no legendaries or Mythicals and tera ground doesn't count, can I ge5 opinions on this since it's singles format.
- Wrong Channel
- I dont think any of the ursaluna's should really be here since they are like rare at this current time game wise
hi! quick question, does the number of maushold (3 or 4) affect the effect of the beat up move?
any1 have a cc hands set
no
ty !
actaully what does non av hands run
clear amulet
imo non AV hands loses a lot of its value
havent run it before but my team calls for it
if it works it works
can you send paste
not yet
booster
or i’ve seen more booster than clear amulet
booster is mostly on sd hands which isn’t too hot rn
I’ve actually seen lefties hands
well CA is also on sd hands
CA is more common than booster tho I think
nvm pikalytics says booster is
Sitrus is also an option
If you're going SD, you got options
CA (Clear Amulet), Leftovers, I'd even consider Safety Goggles
Tera Fire is good for that though so you don't get burned
Hell I'm half tempted to do Lum for that reason sometimes
does anyone have a good gouging fire spread?
Do u prefer mystic water or scarf urshifu?
personally a splash plate kinda gal
black belt urshifu personally
Isnt the effect the same as mw?
yeah :3
