105 is only slightly above average
#competitive_discussion
ember linden
tired sage
run rilla and sceptile together with grassy seed unburden sceptile...?
ember linden
Potentially yeah
tired sage
oh this is singles isnt it-
dense warren
run rilla and sceptile together with grassy seed unburden sceptile...?
That would be nice
dense warren
Actually changing zamazenta to 4a jolly is prolly better
Zamazenta be stronk fr
bold geode
Ah
ember linden
It could be a shed tail mon but that feels like something only on a bad gimmick team
dense warren
So fast and body press and iron head gets the job done
ember linden
If you want to stop priority just go quick guard
bold geode
💀
dense warren
It could be a shed tail mon but that feels like something only on a bad gimmick ...
I say shed tail is good on sceptile because its pretty fast
bold geode
Next we gonna have a Defiant Kingambit with Clear Amulet
ember linden
I say shed tail is good on sceptile because its pretty fast
In a doubles sense shed tail is bad
dense warren
In a doubles sense shed tail is bad
How so?
summer shore
We're returning the team to the lab
ember linden
A better shed tail user is Cyclizar
dense warren
Jolteon getting alluring voice is a nice buff
summer shore
Please tell me i hallucinated reading that sentence
dense warren
Jolteon getting alluring voice is a nice buff
Great tusk is not safe from that fairy coverage
dense warren
It isn’t stab💀
May not be stab but will probably still get 1 tap since jolteon can run calm mind
Just don't revenge kill with jolteon
summer shore
Im sorry bro I dissociated when I read Jolteon
ember linden
Shit
summer shore
For some reason people love jolteon
dense warren
Quick feet and calm mind is the reason why jolteon is quite loved by some
ember linden
Raging Bolt just outclasses
fallen rivet
Raging bolt <3
keen karma
does 2-2-2 prefer dnite or entei
dense warren
Raging Bolt just outclasses
Depends since its slower than most and still doesn't do well against great tusk
Raging bolt is a beast tho with thunder clap
ember linden
does 2-2-2 prefer dnite or entei
What chi-yu duo + pao duo + something else in one team?
keen karma
What chi-yu duo + pao duo + something else in one team?
dozogiri
dapper crag
SableyeBot version 4.25.0
ember linden
Quick feet gives a 50% speed boost if status’d
And Jolteon is immune to thunderwave already💀
dense warren
Quick feet gives a 50% speed boost if status’d
Yep, flame orb
Flame orb has no real negative effects on jolteon since its a special attacker which is why it benefits from it
ember linden
Still bad
Regieleki is a better solo electric type
That does more damage
It is also faster
dense warren
Regieleki is a better solo electric type
Yes but thats Uber and not OU
dapper crag
SableyeBot version 4.25.0
summer shore
Electivire Raikou for your pure electrics
dense warren
Its only nice for the pokemon that are weak to fairy
summer shore
Raging Bolt Zapdos also exist
dense warren
Like great tusk being a common threat
ember linden
Electric types should definitely be used to check ground types
polar canyon
Does the stellar tera one move of each type boost limitation reset on switch out?
dense warren
Electric types should definitely be used to check ground types
I mean, if you got +1 calm mind then most great tusk sets should most likely die but for other ground types, not really good
dense warren
I mean, if you got +1 calm mind then most great tusk sets should most likely die...
I say most because some people actually run max sp defense and health on great tusk
polar canyon
Weather ball is nice if you do rain for thunder strats
ember linden
You gonna set up in front of great tusk?
dense warren
Weather ball is nice if you do rain for thunder strats
That too is good
nocturne holly
https://pokepast.es/09e023d47b334bfc for the last slot was thinking about either tw speed control or another tr abuser? Thoughts?
polar canyon
Weather ball is not new on eeveelutions but it's returning
ember linden
https://pokepast.es/09e023d47b334bfc for the last slot was thinking about either...
I went whim
dense warren
You gonna set up in front of great tusk?
If im facing great tusk in doubles, I have a detect or follow me mon to defend jolteon while set up. in singles. I set up before they send out great tusk
smoky hawk
Lead with incin against kingambit and attack it with alluring voice?
Risky strat. Would be interesting
dense warren
Quite interesting indeed
feral ledge
polar canyon
Confusion is still a 1/3 chance to trigger right?
feral ledge
If Raging Bolt is VGC legal then this will be the team I try out in Reg F
dense warren
Confusion is still a 1/3 chance to trigger right?
100% if they set up in the same turn
fallen rivet
Can’t use protect on assault vest metagross
polar canyon
100% if they set up in the same turn
I mean hitting yourself
As effective as just using twave
feral ledge
Ahh I made the last minute switch to AV on Metagross
nocturne holly
I went whim
rain dance?
dense warren
I mean hitting yourself
Oh, it should be 1/3 chance
polar canyon
If Raging Bolt is VGC legal then this will be the team I try out in Reg F
If it's not then it's probably reg g
You could swap out thunderbolt for something
Unless it's for something specific that thunderclap doesn't kill
dense warren
curious about VCG reg F, might try it out
polar canyon
Looks nicer than e so far
dense warren
Looks nicer than e so far
Is it doubles or singles
feral ledge
I put in Thunderbolt for early game against the likes of Tornadus
Tornadus will be setting up Tailwind so Thunderclap will fail
polar canyon
After tailwind it doesn't seem like a big threat to most of your team
ember linden
rain dance?
I decided otherwise and did this https://pokepast.es/210ffb2495fb1c5d
polar canyon
Stellar rilla looks funny
Not in the good funny type of way
Wouldnt you be better off with defensive
polar canyon
Well you know stellar only boosts each move the first time you use it right
Then you're not spamming big damage
ember linden
Stellar tera fake-out into horsepower for bolt
I still do good damage
I want to see how fake-out plus second boosted move feels that’s all
polar canyon
Fair enough
ember linden
I might change it I might not
polar canyon
Just sounds like tornadus food
ember linden
Torn can enjoy feasting on thunderbolt
polar canyon
I want to find ways for stellar tera blast to be cool
I wonder if it could work as a 4th move for torn
Just to punish any defensive Tera's
252 SpA Tera Ghost Tornadus Tera Blast vs. 252 HP / 52 SpD Tera Ghost Ursaluna-Bloodmoon: 218-258 (99 - 117.2%) -- 87.5% chance to OHKO
(100 bp tera blast)
smoky hawk
The best users of stellar tera (and there aren't many) have got to be Porygon-Z and Enamorus-I
polar canyon
Maybe farigiraf?
Same reason as pz
I might try stellar tb torn someday
But not now
I like the ghost bloodmoon calc
smoky hawk
Porygon-Z @ Life Orb
Ability: Adaptability
Level: 50
Tera Type: Stellar
EVs: 4 HP / 252 SpA / 252 Spe
Modest Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Tri Attack
- Ice Beam
- Thunderbolt
- Protect
Enamorus (F) @ Life Orb
Ability: Contrary
Level: 50
Tera Type: Stellar
EVs: 4 HP / 252 SpA / 252 Spe
Modest Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Tera Blast
- Moonblast
- Earth Power
- Protect
Best stellar users far as I can figure. Sets may not be optimal. I'm tempted to use hyper beam on Porygon-Z. That's a nuke with stellar tera
fallen rivet
Serperior too
nocturne holly
I decided otherwise and did this https://pokepast.es/210ffb2495fb1c5d
Swagger is bold on torn
I want another tr sweeper tbh
ember linden
Swagger is bold on torn
I don’t want rain dance so I’m testing things
fallen rivet
Ok wait is pelliper or torn better for rain setting/speed control
dapper crag
How are we setting up Iron Crown?
fallen rivet
I ran a fast booster energy one and promptly threw it in the garbage because incineroar
It was great for whimsy though
dapper crag
I am confused about the items...
I made it hold a wide lense just coz of focus blast and metal sound... not sure if that's a good decision
fallen rivet
I’d run different moves and item personally but I’m not that experienced so idk if that’s ok advice
nocturne holly
I don’t want rain dance so I’m testing things
Protect and icy wind are still options
nah but the core of archaludon, incin, rilla, shifu, and fari works so fucking well
I played a couple of matches with those 5 and I didn’t have any problems tbh
fallen rivet
I should add rilla to my core of arch urshi and incin
But I’ve been using amongus instead so
chrome knot
0SPE SHINY POPPLIO FOUND!!
nocturne holly
0SPE SHINY POPPLIO FOUND!!
what the fuck
you literally woke up to a litten spawn
and now this?
polar canyon
How's iron boulder looking?
nocturne holly
what the fuck
nocturne holly
How's iron boulder looking?
I played a few games
it’s kind of dog
chrome knot
it was on my second popplio <3
nocturne holly
like it’s really fucking frail
polar canyon
It's not a dog it's more of a deer thing
nocturne holly
It's not a dog it's more of a deer thing
0/10 not funny
polar canyon
Antelope?
karmic temple
Gazelle
dapper crag
I was disappointed with Iron boulder... I don't know why I thought it would be a special ground/psychic
both of those things came wrong
polar canyon
It's not special tho
nocturne holly
horrendous typing doesn’t help it all
polar canyon
Have you been just using it wrong
It looks fairly bulky but has an unfortunate defensive type
dapper crag
I'm still finalizing on my Iron Crown built:
@metronome
- max attack, Hp, 4 speed.
: Focus blast
: Tachyon Cutter
: Psyshock > Psychic
: Electric Terrain
vague whale
What do yall think about upper hand as a move? It seems so hard to use but rewarding if you can
polar canyon
Does metronome work twice for tachyon cutter?
dapper crag
Does metronome work twice for tachyon cutter?
I don't think so
Would be so broken if it did
polar canyon
Population bomb metronome
dapper crag
I'm thinking if I should switch the metronome for a wide lense
coz focus blast is kinda blind
polar canyon
Does it not get aura sphere
dapper crag
Does it not get aura sphere
Nope
polar canyon
Going from 70 to 77 acc is not that huge of a boost
dapper crag
I don't think it does
dapper crag
Going from 70 to 77 acc is not that huge of a boost
I mean true
polar canyon
If it was a move you use very often then yes
dense warren
What do yall think about upper hand as a move? It seems so hard to use but rewar...
Keeps the kingambits away
dull ibex
until they tera 🤭
next stump
araquanid’s ability is crazy
polar canyon
Yep
dense warren
until they tera 🤭
Maybe but doubt tera blast on kingambit is a thing
polar canyon
It gets entrainment btw
dull ibex
Maybe but doubt tera blast on kingambit is a thing
the tera blast is irrelevant
the fact fighting moves now tickle is the relevant part
polar canyon
Tera fairy or ghost on kingambit is pretty relevant ngl
dense warren
Tried doubles with the new team and realized I'm not a doubles type of guy
dull ibex
after two games I imagine
polar canyon
Tried doubles with the new team and realized I'm not a doubles type of guy
I think you realized doubles teams and singles team are very different
dense warren
oh you tried to bring a singles team into doubles
Actually, I tried to run something that support other pokemon but didn't last against a rain team
Those rain teams are quite common
polar canyon
If you're using a shoddy team you made in 5 minutes you'll probably lose
dull ibex
send me the team?
polar canyon
Most of doubles does not in fact play like singles with more pokemon
dense warren
Already deleted it but it was sceptile, incineroar, hairyama, and hydrapple
dull ibex
yep that explains that
polar canyon
Yeeeah not getting far with that
dense warren
I guess those are better off singles
polar canyon
At least you had an incineroar
dull ibex
all of them are mid in both formats
oops not incin
incin is goated in vgc, I dont know about hydrapple
dull ibex
https://pokepast.es/0c0a1e6b92b08aa8 here is what im starting to cook with
polar canyon
incin is goated in vgc, I dont know about hydrapple
It has regen so it's nice I think
dull ibex
hariyama doesnt do anything against
dense warren
Hydrapple set
Hydrapple @ Life Orb
Ability: Regenerator
Shiny: Yes
Tera Type: Poison
EVs: 252 HP / 244 SpA / 12 SpD
Quiet Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Fickle Beam
- Infestation
- Giga Drain
- Recover
polar canyon
Yeah that's gonna suck in doubles
dull ibex
random 12 dpef
oh you did bring a singles team into doubles
teams for doubles dont transfer into singles at all and vice versa
dense warren
oh you did bring a singles team into doubles
Infection was to trap pokemon in but didn't work in my favor
*infestation
dense warren
Fickle beam is good atleast, 80 base power move which 30% chance of doubling
polar canyon
It's a nice pokemon there apparently
dense warren
Fickle beam is good atleast, 80 base power move which 30% chance of doubling
120 special atk stat with 160 base power special move is destructive
polar canyon
Do you want it to be a bulky staller or a killer I don't get it
With the infestation recover thing
dull ibex
yeah I would try doubles again with a proper team and some practice
dense warren
Do you want it to be a bulky staller or a killer I don't get it
Its pretty much both since it hits like a truck and have nice bulk
dull ibex
you can't do both
you have to choose one to be good at imo
some bulky mons have pretty okay offense
polar canyon
Also it's not like you can choose when it doubles power
You could try a rental team that's made for doubles to get a feel for it
After at least a guide on how to play it too
dull ibex
Change the whole team
I am sure someone here can make you a much better hydrapple incin team
dense warren
Not lots of people know about hydrapple yet and plus, Imma go rest.
Covid got me feeling horrible today
polar canyon
I think everyone knows about hydrapple
Get well soon tho
We're just not really using hydrapple because it's not a very doubles mon
smoky hawk
Fickle beam seems fine. Better than d pulse
polar canyon
d pulse with a chance to ohko
dull ibex
Get well soon
molten oasis
Yes ice been lol
nocturne holly
0/10
Didn’t chuckle
autumn vault
that rental team though
mighty stump
@young fable Your team has been removed for the following reasons:
- Pokemon unsuitable for Regulation E
- Did not follow the required format detailed in the channel.
polar canyon
kingambit, anihillape
Does gambit really work
Does incin not run flare blitz or something?
nocturne holly
Annihilape is like the perfect counter to incin it’s funny
fallen rivet
Dang I love Archaludon. Just won me a game even without an optimal set
ember linden
Protect and icy wind are still options
Still want to try it out
nocturne holly
Still want to try it out
Understandable
Haven’t seen it at all other than the occasional mirror herb sneasler shit
https://pokepast.es/09e023d47b334bfc would annihilape work as the last slot? I’m stuck on what I should add
These 5 work so fucking well together
ember linden
I slapped torn on
silk lily
I love archaludon ability
nocturne holly
I slapped torn on
I feel like I want another tr sweeper tho
molten oasis
incin is goated in vgc, I dont know about hydrapple
Hydrapple is pretty good
nocturne holly
I feel like I want another tr sweeper tho
My first thoughts were primarina or hydrapple but that’s a ton of overlap
nocturne holly
Hydrapple is pretty good
I think it’ll get to a similar place as sinistcha in reg E
nocturne holly
cigar im back at 1361
W
I haven’t been laddering at all really
Tryna get the last slot in
tired sage
Hydrapple is pretty good
it’s interesting 
tired sage
cigar im back at 1361
that’s still pretty high….
i’m only at 1201 
nocturne holly
it’s interesting <:arkeknine:669500432741040129>
fickle beam is great on it
It’s tanky enough to use it effectively
keen karma
that’s still pretty high….
i’m only at 1201 <:PikaLmao:678990785500413962>
not really
near crag
Is dragon claw important on dnite? I thought of replacing it by stomping tantrum, so it could get some extra coverage, if I wanted to tera other mon. The current set is: dragon claw, extreme speed, ice spinner, iron head. Thanks
nocturne holly
Is dragon claw important on dnite? I thought of replacing it by stomping tantrum...
What item
near crag
Band
tired sage
Is dragon claw important on dnite? I thought of replacing it by stomping tantrum...
you can try dd LO
near crag
Why aerial ace?
tired sage
not really
it’s high for my standards
next stump
Why aerial ace?
solid way to hit amoonguss/rillaboom without relying on outrage
near crag
solid way to hit amoonguss/rillaboom without relying on outrage
Yes, but wouldn’t ice spinner be a good choice to deal with them? Bc it counters grassy surge, so rillaboom would either switch out or lose priority grassy glide
wooden igloo
I hope anyone reads this can someone tell me if this is a good team build:
☆ SKELEDIRGE (Special Attacker)
Nature: Modest (+Sp.Atk, -Atk)
EV Spread: 248 HP / 252 Sp.Atk / 8 Sp.D
Ability: Unaware
Tera Type: Electric
Held Item: Assault Vest
Moveset:
• Torch Song
• Shadow Ball
• Tera Blast
• Earth Power
☆GARCHOMP (Physical Attacker)
Nature: Jolly (+Spe, -Sp.Atk)
EV Spread: 4 Sp.D / 252 Atk / 252 Spe
Ability: Rough Skin
Tera Type: Steel
Held Item: Lum Berry
Moveset:
・ Earthquake
・ Dragon Claw
・ Swords Dance
・ Iron Head
☆AMPHAROS (Special Attacker)
Nature: Modest (+Sp.Atk, -Atk)
EV Spread: 252 HP / 252 Sp.Atk / 4 Spe
Ability: Static
Tera Type: Water
Held Item: Leftovers
Moveset:
• Thunderbolt
• Focus Blast
• Tera Blast
• Thunder Wave
☆TINKATON (Physical Attacker)
Nature: Jolly (+Spe, -Sp.Atk)
EV Spread: 252 Atk / 4 Sp.Atk / 252 Spe
Ability: Mold Breaker
Tera Type: Ground
Held Item: Occa Berry
Moveset:
• Gigaton Hammer
• Swords Dance
• Play Rough
• Tera Blast
☆GARGANACL (Physical Attacker)
Nature: Jolly (+Spe, -Sp.Atk)
EV Spread: 252 Atk / 4 Sp.D / 252 Spe
Ability: Sturdy
Tera Type: Steel
Held Item: Weakness Policy
Moveset:
• Stealth Rock
• Stone Edge
• Earthquake
• Iron head
☆MEOWSCARADA (Special Attacker)
Nature: Timid (+ Spe, -Atk)
EV Spread: 252 Sp.Atk / 4 Sp.D / 252 Spe
Ability: Protean
Tera Type: Water
Held Item: Expert Belt
Moveset:
• Nasty Plot
• Dark Pulse
• Energy Ball
• Tera Blast
nocturne holly
Yes, but wouldn’t ice spinner be a good choice to deal with them? Bc it counters...
aerial ace does more because of the stab
next stump
definitely an option, but you’d be dealing slightly less damage overall. You also don’t want to screw your own Rilla if your team has one
ember linden
I feel like I want another tr sweeper tho
This team isn’t a trick room team
Redirection is something to consider
near crag
definitely an option, but you’d be dealing slightly less damage overall. You als...
I see the damage is greater, but wouldn’t the possibility to counter any terrain be more valuable than the extra damage? (My team doesn’t rely on terrain, btw)
nocturne holly
This team isn’t a trick room team
my HO options are still only shifu and rilla
tired sage
This team isn’t a trick room team
tailroom…?
nocturne holly
redirection feels like too little damage output
nocturne holly
tailroom…?
yea that’s what I’m going for
nocturne holly
well ok nvm
ember linden
Lmao
next stump
I see the damage is greater, but wouldn’t the possibility to counter any terrain...
good point, test out spinner and see how you feel with it
nocturne holly
not tailroom I was in brain rot
I don’t wanna do tw
I’m making it really confusing
ember linden
Why do you want a tr sweeper
nocturne holly
good for fari
tired sage
bring a whimsy with tw taunt encore
ignore this
nocturne holly
and archaludon
ember linden
I think amoonguss would be fine
tired sage
archaludon is… interesting :3
ember linden
Get the room up safely etc
nocturne holly
amoonguss is an option
nocturne holly
Yea rain dance works on the team
fallen rivet
I’m wondering if I replace pelliper with torn
nocturne holly
I’m wondering if I replace pelliper with torn
Send paste
tired sage
I’m wondering if I replace pelliper with torn
toed
near crag
good point, test out spinner and see how you feel with it
I did, my set was ice spinner, extreme speed, dragon claw (which I will replace with either outrage or stomping tantrum), and iron head (it’s uncommon, but it OKHOes mane, and alolan ninetales)
fallen rivet
Send paste
nocturne holly
https://pokepast.es/4b93ea8b0452e879
pelipper looks fine on this tbh
ember linden
It’s this now Cigar https://pokepast.es/239a9db26528d039
nocturne holly
I had a similar reg D team
tired sage
sitrus incin is better imo…
it lives ss
fallen rivet
I had a similar reg D team
Oh I see. I’ll give it a few more tries then. Any other changes?
nocturne holly
It’s this now Cigar https://pokepast.es/239a9db26528d039
the first 5 work so fucking well lmao
those core 5 are insane
like I played games with just those 5 and I didn’t have a ton of problems
ember linden
You’ve said that
nocturne holly
https://pokepast.es/4b93ea8b0452e879
Aqua jet is still really valuable on scarfshifu
ember linden
I might as well throw electroshot
nocturne holly
https://pokepast.es/4b93ea8b0452e879
Archaludon @ Assault Vest
Ability: Stamina
Level: 50
Shiny: Yes
Tera Type: Grass
EVs: 252 HP / 4 Def / 220 SpA / 28 SpD / 4 Spe
Modest Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Draco Meteor
- Thunderbolt
- Flash Cannon
- Body Press
you can replace tbolt with electro shot ig
fallen rivet
Aqua jet is still really valuable on scarfshifu
Ok sounds good. Thanks for the tips!
gentle cragBOT
Ok sounds good. Thanks for the tips!
wafflefries.787b has given 1 Gen Rep to .begulajr.
ember linden
Don’t go electroshot unless you have rain
nocturne holly
He does
ember linden
I went back to peli just to try it lol
Funny how many edits I make with still zero games with the team
nocturne holly
rain is really just for electro shot tbh
nocturne holly
Funny how many edits I make with still zero games with the team
Lmao I do the same thing
ember linden
I FINALLY GOT THE TOTODILE OUTBREAK
Imma get this shiny then I can finally grind vgc
fallen rivet
I need to shiny hunt popplio tbh
ember linden
Once I get this totodile I’ll have all the shiny starters besides ones from this gen which I don’t give af about
chrome knot
I need to shiny hunt popplio tbh
its an ez af hunt
ember linden
Yeah it was easy
chrome knot
in 10mins i found 2 in which one of them were 0spe
next stump
crazy nice RNG congrats
chrome knot
thank yas 
keen karma
im suffering...
im almost back at 1400
i keep playing against someone with a kingdra team
tired sage
in 10mins i found 2 in which one of them were 0spe
:0
keen karma
finally
keen karma
SHINY TOTODILE
GG
smoky hawk
I went back to peli just to try it lol
I'm considering pelipper for rain because of torns and whims having taunt
What do you think?
ember linden
Well I have several amoonguss answers I don’t feel the need for taunt
So I go peli, it also has wideguard to prevent psyspam and spread moves that hurt archaludon or some other members
smoky hawk
I might do the same
Rain has some good pokemon now- archa, metagross, sinistcha, urshifu
safe sonnet
Yo I'm building a team and I'm stuck on wether to give my hisuian samurott dark or bug tera what would y'all choose?
ember linden
Is this singles?
safe sonnet
Yeah
ember linden
I’d go dark
ember linden
Shiro might say different but the concept of boosted ceaseless sounds good
keen karma
when is it happening though
tired sage
i think i’m going insane… why are there 2 psychic seeds?
molten trout
I need some help, I'm trying to make a vgc team and I want to use h. Samurot and Archaludon but I'm struggling to think up sets and a team to go with them (this is for reg f)
molten trout
I mean, I kinda just want to use it because I like it, for me it's something I don't want to drop yet
unkempt flax
I mean, I kinda just want to use it because I like it, for me it's something I d...
Are you wanting to win, have fun, or are you experienced?
ember linden
Experience does not help Hamurott I promise
unkempt flax
Brother. If the man wants to use it, experience with vgc will more or less be better then none
molten trout
Are you wanting to win, have fun, or are you experienced?
Im decently experienced with basic comp but not super and definitely not in vgc
I'm in the firm belief class of anything can be viable with enough thought put behind it, I want to use Samurot as my tech piece
unkempt flax
Im decently experienced with basic comp but not super and definitely not in vgc
Build a basic water fire grass core. Samurott incin and amoonguss is a fine base line
molten trout
Ok I'll hop on that, what am I doing for sets and spreads?
unkempt flax
Which one exactly?
molten trout
Hisui samurot
ember linden
Get six mons before anything else in the teambuilding process
tired sage
Team I’m bringing
nice team :0
molten trout
Personally I'll probably just grab raging bolt and a rain setter
unkempt flax
Hisui samurot
Do like clear amulet with Sam and basic goggles Tera fairy incin
You’ll go far enough with that
You want to use arch? Well amoonguss is good with it
ember linden
Tera water is better for safety goggles incin
molten trout
I was thinking of using tornadus as my rain setter
unkempt flax
Boom. Pick the last two Pokémon. I’d say lean into trickroom but that’s me
Trick room is amazing rn
I’m my mind
unkempt flax
HO is fine. I just feel like trick room will be better. But that’s not up to me
ember linden
Than HO?
unkempt flax
If you want trick room tho. I’m currently loving porygon-2 with raging bolt
ember linden
Like overall or for this team?
unkempt flax
Like overall or for this team?
For the team
ember linden
Okay, then maybe
molten trout
TR with amoongus, samurot, incin, Archaludon, tornadus, and raging bolt?
unkempt flax
People tend to play more defensive into trick room, which is nice because of ceaseless edge. They’re bound to make switch’s and crap
Which is positive for ceaseless edge
ember linden
Your fast mode doesn’t seem like much of a fast mode idk about torn
unkempt flax
Yeah even then. Woth the 4 Pokémon I mentioned, I don’t think torn is good for it
dapper crag
SableyeBot version 4.25.0
molten oasis
What’s the team in question
unkempt flax
Like what bucket said
molten trout
Well, I need to hunt down a new arch but the others shouldn't be to bad
ember linden
Bucket😂
ember linden
💀
orchid bay
SPATK training. Psychic sandwich in savannah work, yes? Two eggs and Girafarigs all give 1-2 yield?
Rather than leaving for area zero
ember linden
No idea I use the money method
orchid bay
Money method?
molten trout
Trick room is amazing rn
So I just realized, I don't think any of my team can set up TR
orchid bay
Ooooh no. Too cheap for that
Espesh if I have a load of willing victims standing around doing nada
ember linden
Fari if you want a prio answer
unkempt flax
Oh and nasty plot Fari is super fun
molten trout
So I picked out my tech set for my samurot, Ceaseless, Razor Shell, SD, and upper hand with clear amulet
smoky hawk
This is after enamorus gets +1 from contrary boost from tera blast
+1 252+ SpA Life Orb Enamorus Earth Power vs. 252 HP / 100+ SpD Incineroar: 203-239 (100.4 - 118.3%) -- guaranteed OHKO
bold geode
Yes ice been lol
Now who's Ice and where he been?
molten trout
You either have protect or go scarf
I can't do scarf this is TR
ember linden
I can't do scarf this is TR
What’s the other option I said?
You could also go AV if you wanted to
molten trout
I could, but im also using AV on my arch
ember linden
One more option… I can’t quite remember what it is called
bold geode
I could, but im also using AV on my arch
Might I take a look at your team
molten trout
I don't have sets for everything yet
bold geode
What is there so far
ember linden
Still
molten trout
But its
Amoongus
H. Samurot
Archaludon
Pory 2
Incin
Raging Bolt
It's a TR rain set with Pory 2 as my support engine
ember linden
I did warn them about hamurott monke don’t bother bc I already said so, they js want to try it
tired sage
hamurott is uh…
an interesting choice
molten trout
It's my pick for the day and I'm gonna see it through
tired sage
i…
it’s interesting. prop uh…
useable in specific situations.
dapper crag
SableyeBot version 4.25.0
ember linden
Yeah cool design but mediocre stat spread
tired sage
85 is an interesting base speed for a tr mon
molten trout
Same as indeedee F soooo
smoky hawk
Contrary Enamorus gets +1 from using stellar tera blast:
+1 252+ SpA Life Orb Tera-Stellar Enamorus Earth Power vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Incineroar: 208-247 (102.9 - 122.2%) -- guaranteed OHKO
ember linden
Same as indeedee F soooo
That’s a setter and a redirect mon, that’s why it is used
It is not a sweeper, on top of that it is the only psychic surge mon
tired sage
Same as indeedee F soooo
but dee is just for support…
and it’s usually gonna be spamming the prio follow me anyways
bold geode
Ok so I can say movesets easily
Porygon 2 just wants TR here as a reset or as a mode with Amoongus/Incin/Bolt maybe
Hisuian Samurott you want Scarf honestly with Uturn/Cutter/Ceaseless/Jet
Incin you want Fake Out/Blitz/Parting Shot and something else, I like Knock Off
Raging Bolt has been running a Calm Mind set with Tclap and Draco Meteor
Amoongus is standard Spore Rage Powder Puff Protect
Archaludon would like AV
Flash Cannon/Draco/Tbolt
Body Press and Stamina go hard but Stalwart is also a good option too
molten trout
Ok so I'm doing rain setup with pory so I'm using vest arch with electro shot
bold geode
Ok so I'm doing rain setup with pory so I'm using vest arch with electro shot
?
Sweetie no
ember linden
Are you saying rain dance pory?
bold geode
Electro shot stuff honestly kinda dogshit
And if you're setting rain, Pelipper or Rain Dance Torn
ember linden
Electro shot stuff honestly kinda dogshit
And if you're setting rain, Pelipper o...
In rain it’s fine
molten trout
Kinda have to, I wasn't originally doing TR and I did have rain dance torn
bold geode
In rain it’s fine
Yeah
But you have to commit to rain for that or go Power Herb, which makes you specially weak
ember linden
I’m not running electro shot on my rain team I’m just saying it is still fine
molten trout
I like electro shot because I specifically want to run a rain team so the commitment comes from that
ember linden
If it has to charge electro shot bc rain isn’t up amoonguss can redirect more times than not.
bold geode
I like electro shot because I specifically want to run a rain team so the commit...
Well either Pelipper or Rain Dance Torn
You don't need TR then, you can fight in it but you don't need to set it
ember linden
If it has to charge electro shot bc rain isn’t up amoonguss can redirect more ti...
It probably wanted to redirect anyway but still iffy
bold geode
The rain helps things like your Amoongus defensively via not getting hit as hard by Fire moves
But keep in mind it also hinders Incin a tiny bit by making Water moves stronger
Not to say you can't have Incineroar in rain, people ran Harc with rain so
molten trout
So should I build with low speed stats and more bulk?
ember linden
Low speed stats at least for tr
bold geode
You wanna have some bulk with your team anyways tbh
The only one you don't gotta worry about bulk with as much is Samurott
ember linden
60>x is what you want for tr
bold geode
Raging Bolt idk much
Amoongus and Incin can run lower speed, I'd just go max IV speed and that's it
But you wanna like for others give them a tiny bit of speed
Samurott you can just go max attack max speed though
molten trout
This is for VGC are you sure I go max?
ember linden
You should have scarf Samurott + torn for your fast mode
bold geode
Yes absolutely
atomic mural
is doubling down on two fire types with gouging fire and incineroar good?
ember linden
Max max is super common in vgc if you don’t know
ember linden
is doubling down on two fire types with gouging fire and incineroar good?
If you have resists
bold geode
Samurott ain't living much anyways so just max attack max speed to quickly hit something hard
bold geode
is doubling down on two fire types with gouging fire and incineroar good?
It's not too horrible cuz Incineroar gives insane role compression, allowing you to do more with your team
molten trout
Alr I'll start setting up my sets
next stump
I think Bundle is shaping up to be really good this format
every team I see on BO3 ladder has like 3 bundle weak pokemon
fallen rivet
Semi relevant but how does Primarina stack up against bundle?
ember linden
Yeah it’ll be good
dapper crag
SableyeBot version 4.25.0
tired sage
water type heal block op
faint nest
Aegislash is so good omg
fallen rivet
212+ SpA Life Orb Primarina Moonblast vs. 44 HP / 204 SpD Iron Bundle: 125-148 (91.2 - 108%) -- 43.8% chance to OHKO
guess so
faint nest
Single-handedly controlled this game with him
next stump
primarina will be a good pokemon
fallen rivet
You mean as a water type or when bundle freeze drys it?
Facing bundle itself sorry.
fallen rivet
Especially because no tapu fini
faint nest
They was trying to play around king shield with lobunny they end up forfeiting
keen karma
I think Bundle is shaping up to be really good this format
Yep
I found a super cool kingdra team laddering
Peli + kingdra and some other mons
dapper crag
SableyeBot version 4.25.0
keen karma
Peli + kingdra and some other mons
both muddy water on lead
and i dont remember the rest of the mons
nocturne holly
https://pokepast.es/09e023d47b334bfc how does chien look on this?
would hydrapple/primarina work on this too? I’m reluctant because of the overlap
They’d look like they’d be overlapping roles too
fallen rivet
I’d do prima over hydra personally
tired sage
great for tail room style teams
yeah
nocturne holly
water type heal block op
what
atomic mural
does knock off always do the damage bonus if you have sticky hold?
nocturne holly
oh
nocturne holly
does knock off always do the damage bonus if you have sticky hold?
I think it would, not sure
versed linden
Does Archaludon only use AV or are there other held items it uses?
nocturne holly
I’m guessing based off of how knock off interacts with the ogerpon masks
atomic mural
https://pokepast.es/4453ac76fbb00595 is this a good hydrapple set
nocturne holly
Does Archaludon only use AV or are there other held items it uses?
uhhh I’ve seen LORB
av is the best on it tho IMO
tired sage
https://pokepast.es/4453ac76fbb00595 is this a good hydrapple set
i usually run AV hydrapple…
it’s low spd is something to consider… and ice type moves are usually special
nocturne holly
https://pokepast.es/4453ac76fbb00595 is this a good hydrapple set
@molten oasis is the hydrapple guy, ask him lol
ik that AV is really good on it tho
tired sage
mines a weird support atk hybrid xD
atomic mural
Caramel (Hydrapple) (F) @ Assault Vest
Ability: Regenerator
Level: 50
Shiny: Yes
Tera Type: Steel
EVs: 132 HP / 44 Def / 76 SpA / 116 SpD
Calm Nature
IVs: 0 Atk / 17 Spe
- Fickle Beam
- Syrup Bomb
- Giga Drain
- Tera Blast
so something like that?
17 speed iv is only there because thats the iv of my shiny one (i have to get a different one for 0 iv)
nocturne holly
Caramel (Hydrapple) (F) @ Assault Vest
Ability: Regenerator
Level: 50
Shin...
Hydrapple @ Assault Vest
Ability: Regenerator
Level: 50
Shiny: Yes
Tera Type: Poison
EVs: 236 HP / 220 SpA / 52 SpD
Quiet Nature
- Fickle Beam
- Giga Drain
- Earth Power
- Heavy Slam
This is dragos spread
he’s been using it a lot
you can ask him what it’s calced for
tired sage
Hydrapple @ Assault Vest
Ability: Regenerator
Level: 50
Shiny: Yes
Tera ...
pspspsps pollen puff for support xD
Hydrapple @ Leftovers
Ability: Regenerator
Level: 50
Tera Type: Steel
EVs: 196 HP / 68 Def / 244 SpD
Sassy Nature
IVs: 0 Atk / 0 Spe
- Earth Power
- Fickle Beam
- Pollen Puff
- Energy Ball
atomic mural
Hydrapple @ Assault Vest
Ability: Regenerator
Level: 50
Shiny: Yes
Tera ...
id use that with tera fire instead
i might be missing something but i dont know what tera poison would be for
nocturne holly
id use that with tera fire instead
Tera poison got high ranked on a tournament tournament recently
I’m sure there’s a reason
steel is also really good for hydrapple
dapper crag
SableyeBot version 4.25.0
atomic mural
i just dont know the reason any pokemon uses it
smoky hawk
Anybody know how to evolve kubfu in scarlet violet?
tired sage
i just dont know the reason any pokemon uses it
to resist fairy and fighting-?
nocturne holly
steel looks really good
tired sage
Anybody know how to evolve kubfu in scarlet violet?
there’s an item at the auction house. think you use that…?
smoky hawk
Auction house would probably be the place
nocturne holly
Anybody know how to evolve kubfu in scarlet violet?
Item at auction house
“Scroll of water/dark” or smth like that
smoky hawk
That makes sense. Items like that tend to appear there
atomic mural
id run tera fire to make the incin matchup a bit better
and you still resist fluttermane fairy moves and every ice move in existance
tired sage
fire isn’t doing much for you anyways.. you’re weak to watershifu now congrats ig…?
and steel does the same thing. it resists flutter’s attacks and ice moves…
poison might be better cause resist to fighting…
smoky hawk
+1 spatk stellar enamorus happens to OHKO any incin with earth power. Unless it has AV
It gets +1 from contrary due to tera blast
tired sage
people ran air balloon incin-?
:0
nocturne holly
id run tera fire to make the incin matchup a bit better
I mean
Just don’t Tera in front of incin?
and like what mumu said you dont wanna become weak to watershifu
fallen rivet
and like what mumu said you dont wanna become weak to watershifu
*waturshifu
tired sage
wurshifu and durshifu
fallen rivet
Yeah I agree with cigar
nocturne holly
watershifu
Darkshifu
Scarfshifu
fallen rivet
Urshiluna lol
tired sage
wogerpon, fogerpon, rogerpon, and ogerpon
atomic mural
whats a good partner for hydrapple
atomic mural
i could add a trick room user but im not really wanting to use one
tired sage
well uh…
gl tryna use hydra… it’s slow af…
dapper crag
SableyeBot version 4.25.0
atomic mural
yeah trick room makes sense
tired sage
ig you could invest a crap ton of speed and try tailwind…
atomic mural
i just dont like using trick room (even though the one team i made that was decent was a trick room team)
tired sage
TR supremacy-
willow vault
You know what’s cool, Landorus-I. I really enjoy the crazy damage output, and also the typing works out really well with many other mons I like. What a cool Pokémon.
keen karma
haze/clear smog might be really good this forma
tired sage
sheer force yeah
willow vault
Yeah, it’s really fun to play
willow vault
haze/clear smog might be really good this forma
Yeah maybe tbh
tired sage
psyspam says hello
willow vault
Incineroar + Rillaboom says hi
fallen garden
with psyspammers getting more options, what's the usual counterplay to it
bringing more dark types? prankster terrain setting?
tired sage
wide guard
willow vault
bringing more dark types? prankster terrain setting?
Kinda both tbh
tired sage
Incineroar + Rillaboom says hi
heat wave and earth power also greet you from the grave xD
incin doesn’t do much if you bring a defiant along with psyspam cause psyspam is self sufficient
willow vault
Indeed, that’s what Landorus-I is useful for
tired sage
ice beam competitive tera grass empoleon
willow vault
incin doesn’t do much if you bring a defiant along with psyspam cause psyspam is...
I just have to play better I guess
fallen garden
stellar brambleghast about to take the meta by storm
willow vault
*ice beam competitive tera grass empoleon*
Man no matter what I say, there is a counter, you just build a team to fit your style which also wins into many playstyles. For losing matchups which always exist, you just have to better player diff your opponent.
onyx charm
a local dude got into top 15 in the san antonio regionals with this squad
willow vault
Good job, for them
onyx charm
its funny seeing their name in a list full of people of usa 
onyx charm
yeah prob reference the mons name, but like the list name of participants
its where it gets like everyone from usa, and the one random from mx
willow vault
Oh ok
I don’t think I ever noticed that in my experience but I may have just not noticed
tired sage
Man no matter what I say, there is a counter, you just build a team to fit your ...
i mean tbf…
there’s a counter for everything…
it’s just how you make a team to cover up the counters.
so with the example of empoleon, you can run a partner of an electric type or such
willow vault
Granted my experiences with tournaments are heavily limited
tired sage
or if it tera’s then maybe a flying type move or stuff
willow vault
That’s why I said you need to better player diff sometimes
willow vault
Yeah but does happen sometimes
tired sage
it’s happened plenty of times on my end, where they have nothing to counter psyspam or stuff like that
or they don’t bring a counter like rilla
for some reason… ¯_(ツ)_/¯
willow vault
Oh well
Anyway I should probably head of it’s like 1am, so maybe should sleep lmao.
tired sage
:0
take care~
and uh. i’ll be looking forwards to lando-I updates cause it looks interesting
tired sage
Ok fr how do I beat psyroom spam?
noot noot…
fallen rivet
I don’t understand sorry
tired sage
neutralizing gas
fallen rivet
Oh yeah
tired sage
prevents psy surge…
but can be a double edged sword if you need intim or something to go off
tired sage
yeah-
willow vault
:0
take care~
and uh. i’ll be looking forwards to lando-I updates cause it looks...
I will share when I play way more games with Landorus-I. Who knows how it will go but it seems good rn, granted I’m probably not the best player to ask.
tired sage
idk. it looks interesting to run
willow vault
The main problem is that Landorus-T is so good, Landorus-I gets overshadowed
tired sage
oh would it be better to run alluring voice or energy ball on prim-?
fallen rivet
What’s the rest of the set
tired sage
The main problem is that Landorus-T is so good, Landorus-I gets overshadowed
ewwwww
lando T
fallen rivet
Landoot <3
willow vault
ewwwww
lando T <:PikaLmao:678990785500413962>
Exactly
tired sage
What’s the rest of the set
hyper voice ice beam moonblast
willow vault
Lando-I supremacy lmao
tired sage
running AV cause why not ig…
tired sage
it’s between coverage and uh… confusion on defiant ig
fallen rivet
I’d say coverage but I’m not the best player so idk
tired sage
oh i could run heal block instead :0
worn slate
https://pokepast.es/35503953ef9db802 I’m trying to use my favs and mix in some good guys, should I change any moves? Cause I’m trying to cover all the bases
tired sage
is this for vgc-?
or just a play through…?
willow vault
Or Smogon singles?
dapper crag
SableyeBot version 4.25.0
tired sage
yeah uh…
honey gather on ribombee just isn’t it-
willow vault
I don’t know much about ribombee
tired sage
ribombee can uh…
dapper crag
SableyeBot version 4.25.0
willow vault
Pollen puff
tired sage
that’s really frail…
dapper crag
SableyeBot version 4.25.0
tired sage
i guess covert cloak for ability-?
willow vault
Sweet veil, is probably best
worn slate
yeah uh…
honey gather on ribombee just isn’t it- <:PikaLmao:678990785500413962>
I forgot to change some stuff woops
tired sage
tw webs setting without needing sash would be good-
worn slate
One sec lemme fix it
tired sage
One sec lemme fix it
uh so is this for vgc or for a playthrough of the disk-?
worn slate
uh so is this for vgc or for a playthrough of the disk-?
online battles so vgc ig? That wasn’t supposed to be honey gather it was supposed to be shield dust
willow vault
Protect
Protect is key, you can use what what you like but for most Pokémon protect is key
tired sage
it might be better to run choice band skill link rather then loaded dice…
i’m not too much of an expert when it comes to going fast
willow vault
I like having atleast 3 Pokémon with protect personally but each person has a different preference
tired sage
protect is nice
worn slate
So should I swap out bug buzz for protect?
I’m not sure who I should use it on rlly besides bee
tired sage
Regieleki @ Choice Band
Ability: Transistor
Level: 50
Tera Type: Normal
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Adamant Nature
IVs: 0 SpA
- Wild Charge
- Supercell Slam
- Extreme Speed
- Explosion
uhhhhhhhh…….
yeah i’ll settle on this for now…
willow vault
I’m not sure who I should use it on rlly besides bee
Just test the team on showdown until you find something that you like.
willow vault
Regieleki @ Choice Band
Ability: Transistor
Level: 50
Tera Type: Normal
EV...
Supercell slam, is a bit of a risk tbh
tired sage
Supercell slam, is a bit of a risk tbh
it gets nothing better 
willow vault
Oh
tired sage
it’s only electric physical moves that do damage are wild charge and supercell slam
willow vault
Why do have both though?
tired sage
but uh this is supposed to just be uh…
tera normal explosion
tired sage
Why do have both though?
cause eleki doesn’t get any good physical moves
willow vault
Honestly run one of electroweb or volt switch, because you damage output won’t be great but it can set up the rest of your team
fallen rivet
I would swap double edge for extreme speed on harc
Salamance needs a different item
You don’t need both tailwind and sticky web, drop one for protect, as has been mentioned
Drop supercell slam, it’s not good
And then do what everyone else says over my advice bcuz I’m only ultra ball ranked
tired sage
I would swap double edge for extreme speed on harc
Salamance needs a different i...
i’m pokeball rank rn
willow vault
Im unranked rn
fallen rivet
I’ve been doing ranked for like less than a month lmao
tired sage
i haven’t played much s/v vgc cause i’m too busy testing new ideas xD
i never actually execute them in s/v
fallen rivet
i haven’t played much s/v vgc cause i’m too busy testing new ideas xD
That’s important!
molten oasis
Who pinged me and why
willow vault
Alright I’m actually heading off now
tired sage
the entirety of reg E, i uh…
only got 2 games in
willow vault
Who pinged me and why
What?
molten oasis
I have 2 pings here
willow vault
I have 2 pings here
Oh, I didn’t see anything
molten oasis
Mk
fallen rivet
<@465881273454559252> is the hydrapple guy, ask him lol
An hydrapple question here
gentle cragBOT
.begulajr. (ID 868858001866510336)
tired sage
yeah…
fallen rivet
Shut up rotom
molten oasis
https://pokepast.es/4453ac76fbb00595 is this a good hydrapple set
Hi
willow vault
Hola
tired sage
oh drago, uh…
is tera poison better then tera steel for hydrapple-?
molten oasis
Can you tell me what this is calced for?
molten oasis
oh drago, uh…
is tera poison better then tera steel for hydrapple-?
I’m not sure rn
tired sage
mm that’s fair. it’s still pretty new
molten oasis
mm that’s fair. it’s still pretty new
Thing is
In concept steel is perfect for Hydrapple
atomic mural
https://pokepast.es/f2afe578dacf1175 I only thought of the first 3 pokemon and a little bit into the 4th pokemon but so far i think its decent
molten oasis
But then I think getting weak to fighting backfires way too much
Especially without a good fighting resist or immunity
tired sage
yeah that’s what i was thinking of…
tired sage
poison resists fairy and fighting but ig ice will be neutral…
tired sage
i’ll keep running steel to see what happens for now
molten oasis
https://pokepast.es/f2afe578dacf1175 I only thought of the first 3 pokemon and a...
Damn already gave up on drapple
Anyway
252 252 sash flutter is fine but you’d get more out of a bulky specs set
silk widget
Hmm what's a good way to find vgc places close by so we don't have to buy a plane ticket
molten oasis
Flutter Mane @ Choice Specs
Ability: Protosynthesis
Level: 50
Shiny: Yes
Tera Type: Fairy
EVs: 212 HP / 132 Def / 36 SpA / 4 SpD / 124 Spe
Timid Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Shadow Ball
- Moonblast
- Dazzling Gleam
- Thunderbolt
So use this
If you don’t want specs booster spA is also fine
atomic mural
ok
next stump
Hmm what's a good way to find vgc places close by so we don't have to buy a plan...
There is a Pokemon Event locator on their official website
It’s not great but it works
molten oasis
Incineroar @ Sitrus Berry
Ability: Intimidate
Tera Type: Poison
EVs: 236 HP / 4 Atk / 188 Def / 76 SpD / 4 Spe
Impish Nature
- Flare Blitz
- Parting Shot
- Knock Off
- Fake Out
Id also suggest this
I think living surging strikes is great rn
next stump
If you give me a rough idea of where you live (country, state) I can let you know if there are any locals by you
molten oasis
Tera grass is also good
silk widget
There is a Pokemon Event locator on their official website
All the ones I found on there r for the card game
Denver Colorado
next stump
I know there is one guy who hosts Colorado area VGC stuff
let me see if I can find it
next stump
All the ones I found on there r for the card game
This store hosted an event as recently as 3 weeks ago
I know that NinoPokeBros also lives in the area and has hosted locals in Golden, Colorado
silk widget
Hmm I'll see if I can find that location and give them a call as for golden Colorado any contact information?
atomic mural
Incineroar @ Sitrus Berry
Ability: Intimidate
Tera Type: Poison
EVs: 236 H...
whats a good ev spread for tornadus? (i havent seen one in my life)
next stump
NinoPokeBros on twitter, not sure what store it was hosted at
molten oasis
Tornadus @ Covert Cloak
Ability: Prankster
Level: 50
Tera Type: Steel
EVs: 252 HP / 220 Def / 36 SpA
Modest Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Bleakwind Storm
- Tailwind
- Taunt
- Sunny Day
Rain dance over sunny day
tired sage
sunny day over rain dance
keen karma
What do you guys think is a good first regional placement
silk widget
NinoPokeBros on twitter, not sure what store it was hosted at
Ill look tyvm
gentle cragBOT
Ill look tyvm
silverlands has given 1 Gen Rep to mlbd
nocturne holly
Incineroar @ Sitrus Berry
Ability: Intimidate
Tera Type: Poison
EVs: 236 H...
You changed the set?
tired sage
What do you guys think is a good first regional placement
honestly first regional i wouldn’t push that much since you’re mostly there to have fun and feel out an official tourney
tf am i saying i haven’t been to a regional yet
atomic mural
at this point im just gonna ask for an urshifu and rillaboom set (im very bad at teambuilding)
chrome knot
What do you guys think is a good first regional placement
finishing the day
keen karma
finishing the day
So making day 2
lime fractal
could I talk about the new paradox legendaries here?
keen karma
Oh ok
atomic mural
could I talk about the new paradox legendaries here?
i dont see why not
keen karma
could I talk about the new paradox legendaries here?
Yes
lime fractal
okay cool
next stump
I think first regional you should be content with a positive overall record
keen karma
Im pretty sure its not a spoiler at this point
next stump
I think you can easily do that with your skill level
dull ibex
Hello
lime fractal
also I'll be talking in the context of singles because for VGC this shit is then becomes very obvious (and/or I could figure that out if play the meta game and tailor make my sets to counter specific PKMN)
bold geode
What do you guys think is a good first regional placement
If you ain't first you're last 
lime fractal
specifically looking for what general EVs to run on raging bolt and iron crown.
Iron boulder is an obvious "max that Attack and Speed", Gourging fire I also decided to to that with considering DD + stupid good offensive movepool, possibly swapping in morning sun and/or it's signature move if needed
Bolt does seem kind of easy. Max HP and Sp.attack with V-switch, T-bolt, T-clap, and D-Pulse/Meteor, but I'm not certain
but Crown over here with it's hydreigon speed stat, good bulk, and good offenses, but none of which is stupid amazing.... like what do I do
bold geode
But fr
First regional
Aim for 5-4 minimum hopefully
You don't go day 2 but like
At least you get points
You wanna go farther of course but 5-4 is a good thing
I haven't been to a regional either but yeah
Other than that, make sure to have fun more than anything
chrome knot
for first regional its better to not have a goal
otherwise youre chasing an ego you shouldnt have and will be frustrated if you do bad
dull ibex
It's centralizing
nocturne holly
I enjoy using it
atomic mural
still annoying
dull ibex
I do now that I'm not garbage
nocturne holly
unlike flutter or torn
bold geode
otherwise youre chasing an ego you shouldnt have and will be frustrated if you d...
Or that too yeah
dull ibex
Flutter is great
lime fractal
specifically looking for what general EVs to run on raging bolt and iron crown.
...
with crown I did see a good "max HP, max speed" with Iron defense, calm mind, stored power, and signature move, but IRDK how much of that is a gimmick vs "nah this shit is fire"
bold geode
I do now that I'm not garbage
chrome knot
incineroar is a good noob filter tbh
nocturne holly
Flutter is great
I find incin more “healthy”
dull ibex
<:poliwhirlkek:932149535311015988>
🤔
bold geode
incineroar is a good noob filter tbh
I love Incin
The role compression is such a nice thing
keen karma
I do now that I'm not garbage
Whos gonna tell him /j
nocturne holly
I fucking love the thing
lime fractal
with crown I did see a good "max HP, max speed" with Iron defense, calm mind, st...
I also tried seeing if running so quark drive to active speed was worth it and uh.... I don't really think so, outside of this previously mentioend set
tired sage
playing all 9 rounds and not dropping regardless of match record
yeah-
it’s important to have fun tho 
nocturne holly
yeah-
it’s important to have fun tho <:GengHeart:674147120634396672>
no it’s fucking not
dull ibex
Whos gonna tell him /j
Nobody asked you
bold geode
I haven't gotten the true hang of it yet though
But when I do get good with it, y'all are fucked
nocturne holly
I haven't gotten the true hang of it yet though
But when I do get good with it, ...
uh huh
lime fractal
yeah-
it’s important to have fun tho <:GengHeart:674147120634396672>
me with my kyogre regieleki team in SWSH
keen karma
I haven't gotten the true hang of it yet though
But when I do get good with it, ...
With what
nocturne holly
when’ll that be? Reg z?
dull ibex
I'm competent with vgc tbh
tired sage
no it’s fucking not
i-
i mean…
if it’s your first then just have fun-
chrome knot
yeah-
it’s important to have fun tho <:GengHeart:674147120634396672>
i went 3-6 @ toronto buttttt the atmosphere and being with friends was so fun
dull ibex
Gonna try encore whim
keen karma
I'm competent with vgc tbh
Id like to say I am
nocturne holly
i-
i mean…
if it’s your first then just have fun-
fun is for the weak and feeble minded
keen karma
Gonna try encore whim
Encore whims is too good
tired sage
fun is for the weak and feeble minded
fun is for the people who want help in the future
chrome knot
that and at toronto i wasnt nearly as good as i am nowsies so im hopin knoxville is the breakthrough for a positive record
dull ibex
Encore whims is too good
I should get a second opinion
fallen rivet
Fun is important imo
tired sage
Encore whims is too good
i second this…
but whimsy might die in the process
keen karma
I should get a second opinion
?
chrome knot
whims should be encore ft tw moonblast
nocturne holly
fun is for losers imo (joke)
tired sage
whimsy is too frail ;-;
dapper crag
SableyeBot version 4.25.0
fallen rivet
but whimsy might die in the process
This is what happens to whimsicott anyways /shrug
nocturne holly
whimsy is too frail ;-;
that’s why sash exists
tired sage
in the end, this is a kids game after all
keen karma
Tbh im playing pokemon competitively so i can play against good players
Thats ultimately my endgame
dull ibex
Did your noob ass ever consider I AM having fun (nobody talking rn)
tired sage
that’s why sash exists
yeah but if it uses sash xD
it can’t pull off encore if there’s a prio user like fake out
keen karma
I might also go to a regional during summer
nocturne holly
yeah but if it uses sash xD
it can’t pull off encore if there’s a prio user like...
protect? Ghost Tera?
next stump
there's only like one or two over summer 😦 that's usually when they take a break from regionals
keen karma
Really?
next stump
yeah
keen karma
Whcih ones
chrome knot
NAIC
bold geode
Did your noob ass ever consider I AM having fun (nobody talking rn)
What's fun
next stump
yeah true NAIC is late june
chrome knot
im goin to Indianapolis
fallen rivet
You ever wonder why it’s called indycar
chrome knot
who else comin
dull ibex
I just find vgc fun Meta team aside
tired sage
protect? Ghost Tera?
well uh…
tw taunt encore moonblast… what do i replace xD
tired sage
im goin to Indianapolis
i would go if i could
bold geode
I was struggling to get balls earlier
chrome knot
ill be @ knoxville orlando & indianapolis this szn
keen karma
yeah true NAIC is late june
Wheee
next stump
new orleans
keen karma
Kingdra is top 4 on lb rn
next stump
expensive AF hahaha
nocturne holly
well uh…
tw taunt encore moonblast… what do i replace xD
imo whims should have protect because of how frail it is and sash
you could replace taunt or encore
or if you don’t ghost Tera is still an option
nocturne holly
ill be @ knoxville orlando & indianapolis this szn
all regionals are 6+ hours away from me
or smth like that
tired sage
i’m about to say fk you to exams and just go to regionals…
it’s tempting but i need my grades for uni ;-;
nocturne holly
i’m about to say fk you to exams and just go to regionals…
*it’s tempting but i ...
exams W
what are #2 pencils
tired sage
huh-?
keen karma
new orleans
Man wtf
molten oasis
My set would also work
next stump
they took away the closest regional to me this year, RIP
keen karma
Wait i can go to orlando
keen karma
Charlotte is 2 hrs away from me
next stump
orlando is a solid regional, usually pretty big
tired sage
the closest regional to me is like…
15 min away
next stump
florida is cheap to fly to
keen karma
And im potentially going to college in charlotte
keen karma
florida is cheap to fly to
Usually my family drives there to see my grandparents
next stump
15 minutes away is crazy hahaha
tired sage
what can i say…
the city is small
next stump
my closest local is 1 hour away
tired sage
anyways-
fallen rivet
I think I missed the closest regional to me
next stump
knoxville is a super cool city
i was considering going again this year but i couldn’t swing it
keen karma
too close to charlotte in dates
i plan on grasping the feeling of a regional then grinding after I fail miserably
speaking of grinding i need to do oger oustin
didnt they like change it this update
fallen rivet
Nvm it was in Sacramento anyway
tired sage
my closest *local* is 1 hour away
for some reason locals are farther away than the regional for me
i mean sure a 30 min difference isn’t much but still…
it is pretty big if you don’t have a car…
tired sage
didnt they like change it this update
yeah they did
keen karma
yeah they did
what did they do
next stump
i plan on grasping the feeling of a regional then grinding after I fail miserabl...
that’s pretty much what I did
tired sage
what did they do
uh… nerfed the difficulty of hard mode
chrome knot
my closest *local* is 1 hour away
10mins away for mee
next stump
went to 2 regionals my first year competing, didn’t do great at either, and spent like 8 months grinding and I’m going for a worlds invite this year hopefully
keen karma
good luck
next stump
you gotta break your regional cherry
chrome knot
i just want 100cp for my first season :3
nocturne holly
It’s a set a comp player sent
oh bet
keen karma
tbh i need to do more limitless tourneys
tired sage
i just want 100cp for my first season :3
you got thissssss
tired sage
next stump
tbh i need to do more limitless tourneys
they are good practice I’m sure but I’ve never actually done one besides at the very beginning of SV
fallen rivet
Oh there’s actually an event on the 30th for me. Idk if I go tho
next stump
but if you’re a grinder, they are solid
tired sage
i mean getting to know the local pokemon community isn’t a bad idea
chrome knot
^^^
keen karma
but it doesnt fall in line with my schedule
fallen rivet
What’s the difference between premier and mid season prime time
tired sage
i should prop do some locals before i head to regionals next season…
chrome knot
mid season showdown ?
fallen rivet
Yeah that
keen karma
does cp carry over?
chrome knot
more cp
fallen rivet
Idk the official lexicon sorry
keen karma
or it leaves with the format
tired sage
Idk the official lexicon sorry
neither do i xD
i only started to take vgc seriously the summer of 2023
fallen rivet
I started last month
keen karma
alright well imma either grind oger tommorow or showdown on an alt
tired sage
having a bit of swsh online battles was uh… something but…
s/v is a new scene
next stump
MSS gives more CP, usually has a higher turnout, and usually gives better prizes
at the cost of more money to sign up
keen karma
at the cost of more money to sign up
100 bucks?
fallen rivet
Oh how much does each thing cost to sign up?
next stump
and if you make top cut you usually get your money back in either store credit, prize card packs, or a different prize
keen karma
but i forgot to sign up 😂
chrome knot
$5 for pcs here idk about elsewhere
we havent had an mss bc im the reason vgc even started here
molten oasis
252+ Atk Choice Band Entei Sacred Fire vs. 196 HP / 164+ Def Farigiraf in Sun: 190-225 (86.3 - 102.2%) -- 18.8% chance to OHKO
Fari is just better lmao
nocturne holly
https://pokepast.es/09e023d47b334bfc how does chien look on this? Also would hydrapple/primarina work on this too? I’m reluctant because of the overlap
They’d look like they’d be overlapping roles too
mighty stump
I don’t see what any of those provide really
Im just kinda eh about Farigiraf being there lol
You really want some form of healing
keen karma
i wonder if cb entei or av entei will be more popular
atomic mural
https://pokepast.es/09e023d47b334bfc how does chien look on this? Also would hyd...
why aqua jet on a choice scarf
mighty stump
Because Priority is always good
keen karma
Because Priority is always good
do you have a good entei spread? or its just 252 252 atm