competitive_discussion

[tired sage]

hydro beam...?
thats a move?

oh is it like a term like boltbeam...?

[molten oasis]

Hydro pump

Oh are you saying fickle beam?

[nocturne holly]

https://pokepast.es/3a25d889930f13d9 what could i replace archaludon or metagross with? they literally have no synergy together

im gonna drop gross

[slender sentinel]

So I don’t really play this game competitively, so I need someone to educate me on this. I’m trying to build the best skeledirge, so I went with the 252 hp, 482 sp def and 8 sp attack. I tried this spread, and skeledirge didn’t seem to be doing that great with my battles. Is there a more balanced EV spread geared towards more casual play throughs?

[robust hinge]

Can someone help me test my team

If you can dm me

[chrome knot]

how on earth do you have 482SpDef

[slender sentinel]

I meant 248 or whatever the bulky attacker one is

[nocturne holly]

tf

i did 100+ resets and didnt get the fucking outbreak

[chrome knot]

lmao

[nocturne holly]

how many resets

[chrome knot]

I alr have a shiny one from an isolated encounter

0 bc I woke up to it LOL !

[nocturne holly]

fuck you

[chrome knot]

want the isolated encounter spot?

[nocturne holly]

nah i caught mine already

[chrome knot]

okay!

[nocturne holly]

i found the enocunter spot

where didyou do yours tho

https://pokepast.es/396750bc2dc6fae7 thoughts on this? thoughts on the last slot? how would iron boulder feel?

[torpid heron]

https://pokepast.es/f8816572f533968a
any critques on my core? Im open to anything, just please be nice abt it.

also the team is obviouslt not complete yet, thats just the core of it

[chrome knot]

stop using sparkling aria

[nocturne holly]

you also cant use parting shot with av

[torpid heron]

i just completly forgot that

[torpid heron]

then what do u suggest?

[nocturne holly]

and 252 atk isnt good on incin
you want a lot of bulk

[nocturne holly]

@molten oasis is using primarina

Incineroar (M) @ Sitrus Berry
Ability: Intimidate
Level: 50
Shiny: Yes
Tera Type: Fairy
EVs: 252 HP / 4 Atk / 156 Def / 68 SpD / 28 Spe
Impish Nature

• Flare Blitz
• Knock Off
• Fake Out
• Parting Shot

i like that incin set

[molten oasis]

Who’s asking about primarina?

[nocturne holly]

and for whims you want sash or covert cloak
and cotton guard isnt good on whims
its gonna be prankstering like 2 or 3 times

then dying

[torpid heron]

aight, then ill replace with protect?

[molten oasis]

Hmm

[torpid heron]

me apparently

[molten oasis]

You need protect over sparkling aria

Otherwise the team is fine with cigar’s suggestions

[torpid heron]

oki

[cyan smelt]

i beat someone ranked 10!

[torpid heron]

im assuming hyper voice with the ability liquid voice will work fine then?

[keen karma]

showdown?

[cyan smelt]

no, on in-game ladder

[nocturne holly]

thoughts?

[torpid heron]

it is isnt very clear I cant give any thoughts other then "looks cool", im sorry

[forest arrow]

I feel iron boulder can be really good

[torpid heron]

too bad its ugly as shit

[forest arrow]

Psycho Cut, Swords Dance, Protect and its new rock move

[nocturne holly]

aight thx throw for all your help

[gentle crag]

.begulajr. has given 1 Gen Rep to throwdatahh

[forest arrow]

For sure bud

[torpid heron]

btw the item printer can get u vitamins if you didnt know that, so like, yeah

[forest arrow]

try clear amulet as well

[nocturne holly]

oh bet

[forest arrow]

lmk how you like it, Im interested in boulder too

[dapper crag]

- [Rock/Psychic]

Resists (0.5x)

Fire, Flying, Normal, Poison, Psychic

Neutral damage

Dragon, Electric, Fairy, Fighting, Ice, Rock, Stellar

Weak (2x)

Bug, Dark, Ghost, Grass, Ground, Steel, Water

Type Notes

Rock-types take no damage from Sandstorm.
Rock-types have their Special Defense increased by 50% in a Sandstorm.

SableyeBot version 4.25.0

[nocturne holly]

yea for sure

[forest arrow]

shit typing

maybe tera fairy

[cyan smelt]

wouldn't it work with ttar

[forest arrow]

Yeah sand can be good again

excadrills back too

[keen karma]

ehhh

its ok i tried it for like 50 games

[forest arrow]

I imagine its good for late game flutters

[dapper crag]

Rock, Psychic

Hits for 0.5x

Steel

Hits for 1x

Dark, Dragon, Electric, Fairy, Ghost, Grass, Ground, Normal, Psychic, Rock, Stellar, Water

Hits for 2x

Bug, Fighting, Fire, Flying, Ice, Poison

SableyeBot version 4.25.0

[nocturne holly]

sd is interesting on it

i dont think its worth cuz of the bulk

its decent specially
thats about it

too lazy to ev it too

[smoky hawk]

I'll have to play the dlc in the other version just to get the other two paradoxes

[nocturne holly]

https://pokepast.es/d335f1cd7f29147e

[smoky hawk]

Because my Portland team probably depends on it

[nocturne holly]

whats it gonna be

[torpid heron]

ayo, another golden bottle cap, lets go

[cyan smelt]

yeah i'm gonna get a living dex together so i can speedrun violet

[forest arrow]

psycho cut can crit and doesnt have a chance to miss like zen headbutt

[smoky hawk]

Was thinking a sand team with iron boulder, metagross, exca, ttar, flutter, hands or something like that

Not really fleshed out yet

Maybe urshifu. That's 2 pokemon that can hit thru protect

[nocturne holly]

dude

boulder is so fucking frail lmaoo

[torpid heron]

thats ironic

[nocturne holly]

-2 atk grimmsnarl play rough did 75% to it

[torpid heron]

Im

Yeah thats pretty damn frail

oh yeah, does the fresh start mochi only apply to one catagory, or does it set evrything down to zero?

[nocturne holly]

wait that was wrong

[next stump]

holy shit this BBQ grind for legendaries takes forever

[nocturne holly]

it did 25%

still a ton

[torpid heron]

ohhhh

I mean yeah, but its way better then 75%

[keen karma]

fifth fucking game changing crit of the day from flutter

[nocturne holly]

damn

archaludon is good
until it isnt

i dont know what to fucking ev it for

more sp def atleast

[keen karma]

tera fairy specs moon blast

[nocturne holly]

252+ SpA Choice Specs Flutter Mane Moonblast vs. 252 HP / 4 SpD Assault Vest Archaludon: 127-151 (64.4 - 76.6%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

i wanna do some umbrella calcs

[karmic temple]

Have you been doing them solo or in a union?

[next stump]

union

[karmic temple]

Rip, it sucks they’re all shiny locked too 😭

[next stump]

suchhhh a bad decision

[bronze niche]

is hydro pump a good coverage move on ||hydrapple|| <- indigo disk spoiler for those wondering

[next stump]

that is not a real move

do you mean Fickle Beam, Hydro Pump, Hyper Beam, etc.

[bronze niche]

water beam/ hydro pump

since its grass type i was thinking its good against fire

[next stump]

it's not bad, it allows you to hit fire types

if it gets earth power, that's probably more consistent

[bronze niche]

alright ill get earth power then

also, is fickle beam worth having?

[fallen rivet]

I run 84 hp/172 spa/252 spdef and it works fine. Idk if it’s optimized though

[nocturne holly]

yea it does

[keen karma]

do heatran's run av

[next stump]

some do

[keen karma]

should i run av to open up a slot for flash cannon?

this is so i can drop kingambit for something that lets me fight rain easier

[nocturne holly]

What are you running right now?

also how does heatran let you fight rain?

send the paste

[keen karma]

i run flash cannon drop kingambit for raging

[keen karma]

magma storm tera blast earth power protect

[nocturne holly]

Yea you can drop t blast for flash cannon if you want

send the paste

[keen karma]

i still want to beat shifu

[nocturne holly]

Tbh you don’t need to run flash cannon

[keen karma]

i want it for flutter

[nocturne holly]

send the paste bro

also archaludon is hella bulky

it’s insane
+stamina makes it even better

[keen karma]

https://pokepast.es/cb8e8d564865b456

[nocturne holly]

tbh your flutter mu is fine imo

Av heat could def work

[keen karma]

its annoying though

[nocturne holly]

av heat would be great for your flutter MU

It would work

https://pokepast.es/74c9460490301599 thoughts? what could i replace iron boulder with?

[next stump]

walking wake/iron leaves coming back to raids

idk if it was posted earlier

[keen karma]

fr???

leak or announced?

[next stump]

yeah december 25th-jan 7th

serebii tweeted

[placid thorn]

Are they?

Brilliant

[next stump]

this makes me think they may be legal

[keen karma]

yeah thats a soft confirm if ive ever seen one

[placid thorn]

Hopefully we'll get the chance to get the other 2 paradoxes in the future

[nocturne holly]

Fr

[keen karma]

looks like i get to build around wake

[brazen tree]

Thinking prankster sunny day or Torkoal for the sun setter?

[fallen rivet]

HUZZAH I CAN GET A WAKE (maybe)

[versed linden]

Let me know if you discover anything. 👍

[near smelt]

Is Meowstic any good with beat up strat with prankster?

[nocturne holly]

Thoughts?

[polar canyon]

For ape?

Maus has passive damage reduction while meowstic needs turns to set screens

That can be enough to be a match defining difference

Yo

Is mighty cleave the first 100 accuracy physical rock move?

[lofty tartan]

Ivy Cudgel, technically.

[polar canyon]

Yeah I thought that as I sent the message

[lofty tartan]

Cornerstone Cudgel is 100/100

[polar canyon]

Technically there's also tera blast

But that's more of a stretch

[lofty tartan]

Yeah but tera blast is normal until tera then it can be anything you want

Cudgel is locked as Rock for Cornerstone so I think it counts?

[polar canyon]

By that logic ivy cudgel is grass until form change

[lofty tartan]

I mean by actual logic Ivy Cudgel is grass for no mask Ogerpon only

[polar canyon]

And tera blast is normal for non tera pokemon only

[lofty tartan]

It's normal all times unless tera, then it's variable, but tera happens inside of a mattch, and Ogerpon transition happens outside

[polar canyon]

Fair enough

[lofty tartan]

So going in to a match with Cornerstone, Cudgel will always be Rock only

But regardless yeah those are the only two, I think

Cleave and Cudgel

[tired sage]

rock slide + super sweet syrup…

[lofty tartan]

Rock Slide is 90 accuracy. That's pretty good.

You get regular double connects off it. I don't think Supersweet Syrup is entirely pivotal or game-changing for it

[tired sage]

i know…
i’m just putting that idea out there…

[polar canyon]

sandsear storm + supersweet syrup

[tired sage]

i’ve already made a team for me to use for reg f that isn’t gonna use maybe banned mons

[lofty tartan]

Or you could just do Rain and put Urshifu in Hydrapple's spot

[polar canyon]

That's like wildly different what

[lofty tartan]

Then you get 100% accuracy AND damage boost

[whole fog]

Atm all I've got is literally just the standard Sheer Force Life Orb set with DD, Liquidation, Ice Punch and.... dunno, Crunch?

[polar canyon]

Did it get flip turn?

[versed linden]

He gets flip turn and scale shot now too

[polar canyon]

Feraligatr shouldve had intimidate ha

Intimidate stab flip turn would be fun

[versed linden]

Would've been a fun pivot idea

[polar canyon]

Now what if it had fake out

[lofty tartan]

Why is it wildly different?

You're using Hydrapple to increase Sandsear Storm accuracy, when you could do the same thing with Rain and get a big damage boost out of Urshifu in the slot instead of Hydrapple, which may or may not work, and seems like a lot of additional effort to boost accuracy with no additional benefits unless you run more inaccurate moves, which are worse when you cannot bring Hydrapple, or it gets knocked out before it becomes useful

[polar canyon]

And was a fire dark type

Just remembered rain boosts sandsear accuracy

[lofty tartan]

Yuh

[polar canyon]

That sounds pretty counter intuitive

[lofty tartan]

What does?

[polar canyon]

Should have been sandstorm

[lofty tartan]

Oh you're talking flavor.

[tired sage]

yeah…

i understand bleakwind and wildbolt but sandsear…

[dapper crag]

Move: Springtide Storm

Has a 30% chance to lower the target's Attack by 1 stage.

Type

Fairy

Category

Special

Power

100

Accuracy

80

PP (max)

5 (8)

Move Flags

​

Mirror

Copied by Mirror Move.

Contact

Does not make contact.

Wind

Triggers Wind Power and Wind Rider.

SableyeBot version 4.25.0

[versed linden]

Most of its new moves don't do anything crazy. Dunno how much tera helps it. Most water types now are either bulkier or swing harder

[whole fog]

That's about the long and short of it. I'm rusty as all get out regardless so coming up with a modern team for it will take me a bit.

[versed linden]

Maybe bulky gatr...? Could be an interesting idea

[fallen garden]

any mons looking like good stellar tera abusers?

[lofty tartan]

Stellar provides a stab bonus on the first move of that type used - the bonus is pretty even across the board so I don't really think any one pokemon uses it better.

That being said, it seems like Assault Vest users, being that they usually take 4 move types and don't get locked like Choice items, may be better candidates for Stellar Tera during VGC matches

Choice item users and support mons seem like the worst

(you'll get a big damage bonus on the first move of that type used by the choice item user, but the boost then goes away and you're just stellar tera, unless you switch)

[whole fog]

Man, I haven't touched competitive since early gen 4, and it's showing.

[fallen garden]

I think many mons would actually really not like having it. Defensive tera types are super popular atm

urshifu probably prefers its tera water anyway, since it wants to use its aqua jets and surging strikes multiple times, even if not choice locked

assault vest users might like it, but then, those bulky guys seem to like switching out their weaknesses

really it seems like it's only good for attackers who don't fear their weaknesses at all

[smoky hawk]

Porygon Z with life orb can use stellar tera pretty well

[nocturne holly]

https://pokepast.es/74c9460490301599 thoughts? what could i replace iron boulder with?

[boreal mauve]

Error

The Move name you entered doesn't exist please try again

[dapper crag]

Move: Tachyon Cutter

Hits twice. If the first hit breaks the target's substitute, it will take damage for the second hit. This move does not check accuracy.

Type

Steel

Category

Special

Power

50

Accuracy

—

PP (max)

10 (16)

Move Flags

​

Mirror

Copied by Mirror Move.

Contact

Does not make contact.

Slicing

Boosted by Sharpness.

SableyeBot version 4.25.0

Is meloetta even viable in pvp scenario

Or no

[next stump]

not usable in competitive battles

[gentle notch]

I would like to ask for some suggestions in prep for Reg F: I personally want to keep the 1st 4 but open to changes. Yes it’s a weird & horrible team: https://pokepast.es/5d4678535b02145e

[tired sage]

are the paradox legends even gonna be able to be usable…
i feel like they’re not but…
who knows…

[bold geode]

Mumu

[eternal kiln]

Not sure if I like the porygon2 in this team

What are you looking for ideally for your last 2 slots?

[gentle notch]

I’m not sure. I want to at least have a fighting chance so maybe I should switch for something more tanky 🤔I’m still learning how to team build properly

[fallen rivet]

I would switch lariat for knock off and u turn for flare blitz on incineroar

Whimsy wants to run sash or covert cloak; Tera dark; swap light screen for moonblast

[gray shale]

hey so um I need some help building a competitive team. Long story short someone I know insulted my skill in pokemon. Im someone who has never cared to much for competitive and has only mainly loved the story. Anyways, things got heated and now im going to battle him with a competitive team. The thing is I know nothing about competitive and need help to make one...

we did also make some rules where we cant use any pseudo-legends, mythicals or legendaries. I can really use some help if someone is willing too!

[dapper crag]

What is the format ?

[gray shale]

singles 6v6

[dapper crag]

Run Hyper Offense standard with 2 pivots

[gray shale]

??? again i know almost nothing about competitve. I know kingambit, goldengo and fluttermane are good but thats it

[dapper crag]

Cheese with Palafin, Espathra, Annihilape, Flutter Mane, Gholdengo and Kingambit

[gray shale]

what would be good movesets you recommend?

[dapper crag]

Why did you feel insulted then ? You admit yourself you know almost nothing about it lol

[gray shale]

and evs + abilities

[dapper crag]

Check Munchstats for that

[gray shale]

its the way it was worded to me, i get defensive when im attacked on something i love and well, yah

[dapper crag]

So you love competitive but you know nothing about it so you challenge them without any knowledge about what you should use...

[gray shale]

he more attacked my love for pokemon and my skill

both at the same time

[dapper crag]

Have you tried not giving a f and just moving on

Why does their opinion matter

[gray shale]

i will admit i tend to have an ego at times that gets the better of me

and now i just want to beat him

[dapper crag]

Well search munchstats and build these Mons with the most popular singles set. They are either in Ubers or OU

That team should sweep through most shoddy teams with little to no counterplay

[gray shale]

gotcha, sounds good

and thanks! i appreciate this

[dapper crag]

Lead with Paladin and make sure Kingambit comes in last or near last

[gray shale]

ok

[dapper crag]

Pikalytics just never updates wtf

Website should not be recommended right now

Half month into new data and still showing october stats

[keen karma]

the website would be alot better if they actually added tournament stats

[dapper crag]

It is not even updating. Munchstats is just my go to tool rn. They should change that ressource in the pinned comments. Seems out of function or something.

[fervent pulsar]

Munchstats?

[dapper crag]

munchstats.com compiles smogon data into an easy to read website (what pikalytics is but actually updating)

[fervent pulsar]

I see.

[keen karma]

it doesnt have reg f?

[fervent pulsar]

In Comp-discussion, what’s primarily being discussed here? Smogon Singles? VGC? Or both?

[dapper crag]

Why would it have it ? Smogon data is published every month...

[orchid falcon]

what EV spread should i use for a TR support indeedee

[keen karma]

ohh

ok

imo smogon should publish biweekly

[dapper crag]

Thing is Pikalytics is stuck on october data

[keen karma]

does munchstats have tourney stats

[dapper crag]

Not enough game samples in most formats. You could address the request as a suggestion.

[dapper crag]

It is smogon data.

[bronze niche]

whats a better coverage move on ||hydrapple|| <- indigo disk spoiler | hydro pump or earth power?

[dapper crag]

Earth Power is pretty handy right now. Pump is nice if you lack Water typing too.

[bronze niche]

Thanks, I was wondering since fire types will be an annoyance against it.

[gentle crag]

mrook has given 1 Gen Rep to jaylsp

[next stump]

mostly VGC but a few players talk about smogon

[fervent pulsar]

I think I found my new favourite place, lesgooo

[next stump]

🎉 welcome

[fervent pulsar]

I’ve lowkey been looking for VGC Discussions since ever lmao

[keen karma]

what is your opinion on scream tails

[next stump]

mid as fuck

I think it was really solid when there was a lot of specs flutter running around on new balance teams and it could encore disable it

i think you’d need to be really smart with it to get value

[keen karma]

so high ceiling high reward?

or its just hard to get value out of

[next stump]

high ceiling, medium-high reward

if you like it and you have game plans built with it, it’s definitely usable

it just got a decent placement at San Antonio

[keen karma]

i saw it in another tourney and it interested me alot

how do i check tourney stats

[dapper crag]

Looks like a Mon you gotta build a whole team around

[next stump]

victoryroad has official tournament stats

[keen karma]

like usage

[next stump]

labmaus has some online tour stats

try that

[orchid falcon]

ok I made a team i think would be good for reg F https://pokepast.es/9461678137c46993 pls help improve

[keen karma]

8-10 at stuttgart

[next stump]

kyogre will be banned

same with necrozma

[dapper crag]

Yeah reg F is not involving restricteds (thank god)

[orchid falcon]

https://tenor.com/view/sad-gif-7523306793289960933

[keen karma]

top 32 laic wow

[orchid falcon]

been waiting for it my whole life

[dapper crag]

About 9 months or so

Maybe it'll be progressive like in SS

[keen karma]

i hope the same

[molten oasis]

https://pokepast.es/b86f8ed0c495312a thoughts on this/thoughts on a 6th?

[dapper crag]

Flutter Mane ez fit

or Gholdengo

Also Draco Meteor over Fickle Beam

[keen karma]

flutter

[molten oasis]

more steel weaknesses my favorite

[molten oasis]

No

Id rather take the chance of double power than sac my spA

[dapper crag]

So loss of power for gambling

[molten oasis]

And it’s not gonna miss on me in a crucial moment

[dapper crag]

Also you have no Steel weakness on the 5 you are running

[molten oasis]

Id argue Draco Meteor is more gambling than fickle beam. Fickle is consistent I’m not switching

oh I spaced Prima is a water type

[dapper crag]

So one being weak to Steel isn't end of the world imo

[molten oasis]

No that’s fine

Still not adding flutter as, we know how I feel about it so, I’ll find something else to put on there

[dapper crag]

Draco Meteor means when you click Dragon move you likely pick up KO

Flutter is a good fit in your team. I value consistency and it is a consistent Mon. If feelings interfere with playability... okay

But you have no Steel weakness

[molten oasis]

Flutter also overlaps roles with Primarina imo

[keen karma]

you dont have any or im just dumb rn

[molten oasis]

I was being dumb

[keen karma]

oh ok

[molten oasis]

Anyway, I’ll go “play with flutter”

[craggy swan]

https://pokepast.es/80dc68796932b6fb Anything i could add to this?, rate it

[molten oasis]

(As in have it and then never bring it as that’s what happens every single time)

I don’t need more special attackers anyway

[molten oasis]

Rillaboom would prefer fire or water Tera, chien pao wants ghost Tera and sash (you can’t have 2 life orbs assuming this is vgc)

Harc wants Tera fsiry

And Tera blast over head smash

[raw thistle]

0- SpA Adaptability Beedrill-Mega Bug Buzz vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Deoxys-Attack: 204-240 (84.6 - 99.5%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

i cannot tell if i expected less or more

(edited for 31 ivs)

[craggy swan]

Thanks

[gentle crag]

yukaroihonda has given 1 Gen Rep to drayagedrago

[unkempt flax]

Best Tera on Porygon 2?

Tera water, grass, dark, ghost?

[dapper crag]

Ghost makes sense for fighting Immunity + Fake Out avoidance to set up Trick Room, you can pick a defensive one with a nice profile if you prefer that

[twilit hedge]

Is there a way to make a competitive Forrestress

[unkempt flax]

See I thought that too. But then I question amoonguss balance and sun room. Tera grass is really good into amoonguss balance, but then I lose to sun room. But Tera water is good for sun room, but i lose to amoonguss balance.
As of right now, I’m using grass. It feels super nice. But figured I’d ask to get others views. And I shouldn’t say I “lose” to said archetype, just depending on the Tera, it makes said matchups easier

[finite vine]

I want to make a team for single battles and I wanted to know if this Pokémon are good for a team? Blaziken, Archaludon, Porygon-Z, Metagross, Gliscor and Hydrapple

[bold geode]

I honestly saw a Stellar one lmao

But honestly Grass probably cuz Amoongus is bad if you set TR

What is the team might I ask

[unkempt flax]

Here’s a horrible image

[bold geode]

Sir you know I can't judge off that

[unkempt flax]

Real. The paste is on a separate monitor and I’m on my phone. Anything specific

[bold geode]

But also why set TR with this 6?

[unkempt flax]

It’s just hyper offence with a back bone

[bold geode]

Oh so P2 is a reset factor

[unkempt flax]

Basically yeah. It depends. I go well into balance but not tailwind. So I trick room while versing tailwind

Plus incin + Porygon 2 just can put in work by themselves in or not in trick room

[bold geode]

Yeah but it's also like
Really if you click TR, the only thing that really benefits off of TR is P2 and Incin
The TR thing only really works when they TW
Outside of that hmmm

Idk maybe I'm judging it harshly

[summer shore]

Monkey

[unkempt flax]

Also raging bolt can too. Raging bolt works hella good in and out of trick room

[bold geode]

Also I see the Grass Ogerpon
I stg if you got Dragon Cheer shit with that

[bold geode]

Shiro

[unkempt flax]

also raging bolt incin and porygon 2 as a core has been going good. Went from 1000 to 1300 in a few games on showdown

[bold geode]

Hmm not bad

[unkempt flax]

Granted it’s early meta

But non the less

[bold geode]

True
Like I hit #262 at one point with like
1140 ELO lmao

[unkempt flax]

Real

I’m usually in on showdown ladder 1550+. So I’d argue I know what I’m doing roughly. Only issue is I’m like really new to HO. Since I’ve only been using Wo-chien this gen and for the last two I’d always use trick room / perish trap. So I’m trying something new. People keep telling me to try and use actual teams since I’m already good and play making and defensive switches so, figured I’d build this

Last two other gens*

Just been wanting to compete because I want to see if I can win tournaments

[ember linden]

1550 with perish trap?

[unkempt flax]

Yeah sword and shield

[ember linden]

That’s fucking sick dude

[bold geode]

HO is like
Easy but not easy

[unkempt flax]

It was perish trap, with rain and Calyrex ice

[ember linden]

W

[unkempt flax]

That’s why I don’t use it

My brain activated autism when I’ve tried in the past

But incin is back so I’d give it a shot

[bronze iron]

Is tornadus going to be around still in competitive reg F?

[bold geode]

Yes
Honestly Psyspam kinda slaps

[bold geode]

Oh absolutely
Whimsicott only gives it competition
Doesn't remove it entirely

[bronze iron]

looool

[unkempt flax]

I used to run it but it feels too easy to use you know. I feel nothing good about winning by clicking two buttons

[bronze iron]

Im literally working up a whimsicott build thats why i asked @bold geode

didn't wanna waste my time if he wasnt even gonna be there

[smoky hawk]

Contrary Enamorus-I stellar tera tera blast. Worth using?

[bold geode]

It's honestly gotten a bit more complicated now cuz like
Everyone knows about the lead so you can't just lead Armadee and spam Eforce 100% of the time

[bronze iron]

I don't play competitive ever...just theory craft dumb stuff that never works, was thinking about taking it a bit serious this reg

[bold geode]

Oh yeah Whimsicott and Torn are both viable as hell

You can build either or for that role

[bold geode]

You only get stab boost once per move type

[bronze iron]

😩 i can't wait to worry seed these tornadus

[smoky hawk]

Yeah, and? The tera blast will raise your sp atk

[bold geode]

?

[smoky hawk]

Worth looking into

[bold geode]

Does Stellar stuff raise spatk?

[summer shore]

Stellar Tera Blast drops offensive stats

[smoky hawk]

Isn't that what stellar tera does for tera blast?

[summer shore]

So contrary boosts

[bold geode]

HUH?

[ember linden]

No, lowers stats

[bold geode]

Ok so we're doing Contrary shit after all

It's ok I'll just Bullet Punch that fucker

[summer shore]

Serperior is a bit of a menace rn

In OU

[smoky hawk]

Contrary and adaptability are probably the best abilities for stellar. So I'd say enamorus and porygon-Z work

[real pewter]

Should I use smeargle

[ember linden]

I feel like it is mid this gen

[unkempt flax]

Smeargle goes hard rn

[bold geode]

I mean you can
CTS it's good cuz unpredictability
But in OTS, it loses a bit of its flair

[smoky hawk]

I haven't tested smeargle decorate yet

[bold geode]

Cuz the big thing why it was so big in past gens was the fact there wasn't OTS, meaning it was surprise

[unkempt flax]

I’ve been running, well testing, Burning Wall, fake out, ruination and something random. Really liking shed tail with sitrus. Although the standard spore set it probably the best

Also upper hand on it is also funny

Got to love early season

[bold geode]

Okidogi with Upper Hand is a bit interesting
Like the fact it gets it

But Farigiraf good as ever

[unkempt flax]

Actually so pissed that Wo-chien got no buffs

[real pewter]

Minior is underrated rn

[bold geode]

How even

[summer shore]

Wo chien does not need buffs

[unkempt flax]

As an average player of it. It needs at least one

[bold geode]

In VGC, Wo Chien be shit

[real pewter]

It goods a pretty decent move pool

[unkempt flax]

It deserves it

[bold geode]

Wo Chien had it rough

[smoky hawk]

I'm gonna test contrary enamorus stellar tera with tera blast. Sounds very strong. Also smeargle with decorate

[summer shore]

Yeah and it is what it is

[real pewter]

Standard shall smash set can sweep if left alone at it eats

[bold geode]

Shiiiit you got a point

[real pewter]

And it gets u turn for pivot

[unkempt flax]

Nuh uh

[bold geode]

"If left alone"
Key words

[bold geode]

Damn Shiro you're in a corner now

[noble hatch]

whats a really tanky pokemon you guys see often in competitive

[real pewter]

It still eats and will most likely live set up change forms and then at least get one Pokémon it’s decent rn

[bold geode]

Hands
Now Incineroar
Amoongus

List can go on and on

[real pewter]

Tapu lele could not even ko minior

[bold geode]

"At least get one Mon"
Honestly imo that's not too much worth it to put it in a slot

Like are you aiming to kill any specific mons that give your team trouble
Or is it just random bullshit go

[karmic temple]

As a fellow wo chien lover, the meta is too hyper offensive for it to really pop off and do what it wants

[molten oasis]

Id like stall mons to stay shit in vgc because stall is super annoying

And not fun to fight

[real pewter]

It’s decent it can pivot and sweep not saying it’s the best but it’s still decent enough to use

[karmic temple]

MAKE STALL GREAT AGAIN !!

[unkempt flax]

Wo-chien could of got, Spiky Shield, Strength Sap, Moonlight, a set up move like nasty plot, something, and it would of got an amazing buff

[bold geode]

I'm sorry but decent is kinda not good enough imo

[unkempt flax]

Cotten guard would of been funny

[bold geode]

Plus wait until Urshifu comes out
Or Landorus I
Or Flutter
Or a bunch of other stuff probably

[real pewter]

In your opinion maybe we have different opinions which is cool

[bold geode]

Like there's so many downsides it's not even funny

[real pewter]

I’m gonna enjoy my minior

[noble hatch]

am not planning on playing stall just wanted to do some damage calcs if i come across it

[bold geode]

Ok and I'm just setting down facts to support my opinion
You do you though, these are just things you need to consider

[noble hatch]

have something that can one shot those tanky guys with minimal setup

[bold geode]

Oh those ones I mentioned you'll DEFINITELY come across

You'll hardly one shot Hands or Amoongus unless you have HEAVY firepower though so

[noble hatch]

no i will

[bold geode]

Figure out what they do and figure out counters

[real pewter]

I did consider them when I chose to use it can win games it can be supportive it can be bulky overall it’s a decent Pokémon with shall smash

[summer shore]

Easy response; yuh huh

[noble hatch]

dont even need tera

but it may backfire and its a risky play

[bold geode]

Holy fuck this is wild

[noble hatch]

just wanted to see if it could be worth it

[bold geode]

What was the plan

[real pewter]

If your opponent doesn’t have an answer it can be trouble for them

[summer shore]

Same can be said about literally every mon in the game?

[unkempt flax]

Opinion rejected

[bold geode]

I honestly
Not to argue
But I said answers that are also just common shit

[karmic temple]

Wo chien has plenty of answers in the meta

[summer shore]

Like if I had a caterpie and my opponent had no answer it'd be an issue

[bold geode]

Fuck I never thought about that MU I'm doomed

[noble hatch]

caterpie used tackle- opposing trainer has no pokemon - opposing trainer used right hook

[bold geode]

Rillaboom use Wood Hammer

[karmic temple]

Caterpie went squish

[bold geode]

Obliterate bug

Oh he went more than squish

He don't exist anymore

[karmic temple]

Call that rilla thanos cause he turned him to dust

[bold geode]

Yeah

[unkempt flax]

Dude HO is low key fun if you have a good back bone lol

[summer shore]

Minior will be good when it can bench more than me

(It cant bench)

[unkempt flax]

Been shitting on HO players for 7 years

[karmic temple]

(Neither can shiro)

[bold geode]

Minior will be good when it can clap its hands

(He never will)

[summer shore]

Man you got me

I can only do incline smith 😦
(I just did bench)

[karmic temple]

(I don’t know what that means)

[unkempt flax]

Definitely googled gym terms

[summer shore]

Real

[bold geode]

Something something lift weight
There's your translation

[summer shore]

Anyways im feeling like going off topic

[unkempt flax]

You break a huge sweat doing it

It’s really fun. Give it a shot

[bold geode]

Anyways I'm going to bed
Goodnight

[molten oasis]

[whole ibex]

Just found out that Smeargle doesn’t get revival blessing

[queen monolith]

Cetitan with water Tera, liquidation, and life orb. Yes or no?

[mighty stump]

That is fine.

[dapper crag]

HO is great. Easy playstyle to get good results.

[unkempt flax]

Real I’ve just hated it because my ass is used to defensive play making or just pure stall. Been trying my take on HO with a defensive backbone. Climbed ladder yet again lol. But now it’s bed time

[mighty stump]

Jesus its been a while TechPug

[unkempt flax]

It has hi

[mighty stump]

Youve been gone since like

Reg C

[unkempt flax]

Dude I went through some fricken lore

Finished highschool. Started gaining weight by accident. Didn’t like it, started hitting the gym. Went from 235lbs to 195lbs. Was working 40+ hours.
But I heard incin is back, and I got Christmas, birthday, and my 2nd anniversary gift for my gf out of the way, so decided to start playing again. Been a bit. But now I have time on my hands. Yepiee

So much so. In the past 3 days I’ve made 2 amazing rental teams because I’ve just had ideas lol

[mighty stump]

Damn

Crazy

[unkempt flax]

Also I didn’t even like reg D and E. I couldn’t exactly execute Wo-chien properly anymore, didn’t do good in any reg c tournaments near the end of reg c, so I didn’t have motivation, etc.

[mighty stump]

Thats some lore

[queen monolith]

What’s a good Tera type for emboar?

[mighty stump]

While you were away I too got a partner and internship and shit

Wilding

[unkempt flax]

REAL

Let’s go Tofu

[mighty stump]

It's difficult to say, some of the tera types you want have mild overlap but at the moment im debating over Grass/Dragon/Water

[unkempt flax]

I personally like Tera dragon for all fire types rn

Ie just incin lol

[queen monolith]

Grass might be nice. I can put trailblaze on him for stab speed boost

[unkempt flax]

Cooking

Oh yeah @mighty stump
I used this team and nearly peaked 1400 with it like maybe 4 hours ago

https://pokepast.es/2bac5cf357736892

[mighty stump]

no hes not fast enough to warrant trailblaze

[unkempt flax]

The raging bolt spread bugged lol

[mighty stump]

https://pokepast.es/e9353a8d50630c7d This is what I did for top 10

[queen monolith]

But trailblaze boosts speed I thought

[unkempt flax]

It’s 252/0/4/156/92/4 modest I think

[mighty stump]

Yeah but you still need to be fairly fast enough at base to actually take advantage of the speed boosts

Otherwise you spend too long clicking trailblaze

[queen monolith]

That’s fair too.

[mighty stump]

P2 Incin. People have been like Raging Bolt, I haven't tried it yet

Good probably cause of anti shifu

[unkempt flax]

Deadass stellar Tera might be a play on porygon-2. Probably just for this early meta

[dapper crag]

Raging Bolt has been great to me

[unkempt flax]

P2 Incin Raging bolt is the core I’m telling you

[mighty stump]

I think Stellar Tera is good for random coverage things

[dapper crag]

And I have seen it a good amount too

[unkempt flax]

It’s so fucking good

[mighty stump]

Were you using Download

I didnt check

[unkempt flax]

Yes

[mighty stump]

I know, I just havent tried Bolt

You know what's disappointing? Gouging Flame

[unkempt flax]

Agreed

[dapper crag]

P2 eviolite looks quite strong

[queen monolith]

I could teach emboar Tera blast and make him Tera water

[dapper crag]

The bulk is insane

[mighty stump]

Just keep in mind you first need some space for 2 STABs. Coverage isn't always necessary.

[unkempt flax]

I’m allowed to post rentals here right?

[mighty stump]

Yeah

[queen monolith]

He doesn’t learn any water moves

[unkempt flax]

These two teams I’ve used the past 2 days. So much fun

[mighty stump]

Yeah but you don't need Water coverage

[queen monolith]

What about electric Tera with thunder punch and Tera blast or wild charge and give him leftovers?

[mighty stump]

His bulk is actually a lot more poorer than you think. Again, coverage isn't that important unless youre being hard walled by something

[dapper crag]

Where have you been using them ?

[mighty stump]

You generally want your Teras to just be defensive and its fine

[mighty stump]

Did you get a chance to play those Nino tours

[queen monolith]

I got an answer to ground and fire on my team. My Cetitan

[mighty stump]

or Cobalt tours

[unkempt flax]

Casual for cart

[dapper crag]

What are Nino/Cobalt tours ?

[unkempt flax]

Quite literally can’t. I’ve tried but when they do it, I’m busy

[mighty stump]

Nino and Cobalt tend to run new Reg tours

[unkempt flax]

Wait

[dapper crag]

How do you get in those ?

[mighty stump]

So on twitters a popular streamer and another goated japanese player tend to hose in-game ladder tours

[unkempt flax]

When’s the Cobalt?

[mighty stump]

Theres usually like

codes

that you use to enter through the friendly competition function

[dapper crag]

For real nice

[mighty stump]

let me see if I can find cobalt's page

[unkempt flax]

Thank you

[dapper crag]

You're great man

[queen monolith]

Part of me is debating giving oricorio fairy Tera.

Cause then revelation dance will be fairy when they’re terad

[dapper crag]

I want to get into tournaments and start competing in VGC in 2024

[unkempt flax]

I can’t do Nino or wide league but maybe cobalt

[unkempt flax]

How many years of experience do you have?

[mighty stump]

So this is Nino https://twitter.com/ninopokebros

Great guy

Super friendly

[dapper crag]

None never done VGC circuit. I have been dabbling in doubles for fun for like 4 years and Singles for 7 years on and off

[unkempt flax]

Oh you’ll do good then

[dapper crag]

Only started committing seriously to Doubles recently.

[unkempt flax]

I started playing vgc when I was 11, prior I was playing singles since I was 8. Now I’m 18 so. And I do very good lol

[dapper crag]

You competed in official events at 11 ? Wow

[unkempt flax]

Started taking it seriously in sword and shield

[unkempt flax]

Locals if you count those. My ass can’t afford a plane to any actual event. So I just do random online ones

[dapper crag]

I mean those earning CPs right

[queen monolith]

Sheer force conkuldurr. Yes or no?

[mighty stump]

No, Guts

[dapper crag]

Those on the VGC circuit are what I refer to as official stuff rn

[unkempt flax]

If they do then god Damn i probably have a lot 💀

[queen monolith]

Guts and give a flame orb and protect?

[mighty stump]

Indeed

[unkempt flax]

In sword and shield, I was in every tournament online that breathed

[dapper crag]

I want to see how well I do in official events in 2024 and see how well I can do

I just started limitless tournaments 2 weeks ago

[mighty stump]

THERE we go

https://twitter.com/cobalt_poke8128

[queen monolith]

Technician scizor with bullet punch and a steel tera. Too guessable?

[mighty stump]

So you'll see daily Reg F ladder tours on there

[unkempt flax]

I don’t recall the tournament name, but I’ve placed 12th in a 250 man tournament with a mantine

[mighty stump]

Atm

[dapper crag]

You da GOAT man

[unkempt flax]

It was in sword and shield

[dapper crag]

Ty a lot tofu

[mighty stump]

So knock yourselves out

[queen monolith]

@mighty stump that too guessable?

[mighty stump]

Its worth playing these cause you get to play into Japanese players

and Japan tyends to really lean into that whole Bo1 CTS thing + they're good players

[unkempt flax]

Tofu I’m like the whitest guy. I don’t understand anything infront of me. Where’s the subtitles?

[mighty stump]

So either its really cool tech/annoying cheese/experience overall

[dapper crag]

I do like me so good Bo1 CTS mindset

[mighty stump]

You need to update your brainOS to 1.17

[unkempt flax]

Still stuck in 1.13

[mighty stump]

Preferrably non-steel Tera cause you can shed your weakness

Bullet Punch + Technician does a decent amount already

Water/Fire works

[queen monolith]

Hmm. What Tera then?

[mighty stump]

The offensive tera is alright

Just keep in mind your weaknesses

[dapper crag]

Ima name Raging Bolt in your honor Tofu. You are really great ty a lot.

[mighty stump]

If you want to opt for that power

[queen monolith]

What about a ground tera?

[mighty stump]

I don't necessarily see what Ground Tera adds for Scizor

[unkempt flax]

Wait

[queen monolith]

Not a normal Tera, resists fire moves.

Immune to electric.

[unkempt flax]

What time is the cobalt one on Monday?

[mighty stump]

HAHAHA HE'S BALD

[knotty mirage]

From all the new 4 paradox pokemon is the best one for vgc raging bolt ?

[mighty stump]

Ground does not resist Fire. It is neutral

[mighty stump]

Atm, that is the consensus

[dapper crag]

Seems so right now

[queen monolith]

Or a psychic Tera maybe?

[mighty stump]

Bug/Steel only has a Fire Weakness

[knotty mirage]

How about gouging fire do you think it's good i mean it got protect that burn on contact ?

[mighty stump]

You want to try and avoid being Urshifu weak which is also helpful as a neutral. Water can be good cause it does both

[mighty stump]

Burning Bulwark is disappointing

[knotty mirage]

Why

[mighty stump]

It doesn't block status, and the things you actually want to contact like Urshifu bypass it anyways kek

It's alright in terms of fighting the other physical attackers

[queen monolith]

Analytic magnezone with a lagging tail?

[mighty stump]

and I could be wrong and it's better than it is

[knotty mirage]

Oh it's doesn't block status i thought it work like normal protect

[mighty stump]

You're slow enough as needed, might as well go Life Orb/Magnet

[unkempt flax]

Wait tofu

[mighty stump]

So did I

[unkempt flax]

Is the one for the 18th in just a few hours?

From cobalt

[mighty stump]

like

1.5 hours

If im understanding it correctly

[unkempt flax]

Bruh

[knotty mirage]

I guess the only way we can use it is on gimmicky weezing team then

[mighty stump]

If you input the code in game it sohuld convert time

[mighty stump]

Weezing would actually be a good partner for it

[unkempt flax]

It’s 2am for me. I have work in 8 hours

[queen monolith]

Reckless staraptor with a metronome and normal Tera plus double edge?

[mighty stump]

Unfortunately the only good Staraptor build is Intimidate Choice Scarf + Final Gambit

[queen monolith]

Damn

[knotty mirage]

Yeah try using it when you expect urshifu too attack the gouging fire and switch in weezing

[queen monolith]

Wait. Emboar is a bit slow. So what about a dark tera and assurance?

[mighty stump]

That would be unexpected but eh

[queen monolith]

Takes away the flying and psychic weaknesses.

[mighty stump]

If you want a set

Emboar @ Sitrus Berry
Ability: Reckless
Level: 50
Tera Type: Dragon
EVs: 60 HP / 36 Atk / 220 Def / 188 SpD / 4 Spe
Adamant Nature

• Protect
• Bulk Up
• Drain Punch
• Flare Blitz
  This is what im considering

[unkempt flax]

Man one day

There will be a tournament that isn’t when I work

[mighty stump]

Tera Dark Assurance might be good into Psyspam cause itll have an increase in usage

[unkempt flax]

I swear to god lol

[queen monolith]

My emboar has thick fat not reckless

[mighty stump]

But theres also going to be Fairies on that side

[mighty stump]

? It doesn';t get that?

[unkempt flax]

Im going to bed

[mighty stump]

Sleep well

[queen monolith]

Hidden ability I think

[mighty stump]

its HA is Reckless

[queen monolith]

I used an ability patch on him and it gave me thick fat

[mighty stump]

Excuse me, i'm going to go check something.

[queen monolith]

Nvm it is reckless

I’m dumb

[queen monolith]

Idk where I saw thick fat

[mighty stump]

If it got Thick Fat I was going to lose my shit

[queen monolith]

What about an assault vest on emboar?

He won’t have any status moves

[mighty stump]

Yeah that's also an alternative build

Drain Punch/Flare Blitz/Heavy Slam/Wild Charge

[queen monolith]

And what about chocie specs on magnezone?

[mighty stump]

Heavy Slam is for Mane and Wild Charge for Urshifu

[queen monolith]

Choice*

[mighty stump]

That's also fine, you'll need Volt Switch though

[queen monolith]

I also have access to hard press

[mighty stump]

Hard Press is a bad move

Sad to say

[queen monolith]

What about heat crash?

Idk who to use as my 6th team member.

I have Cetitan, scizor, emboar, conkuldurr, and magnezone.

[mighty stump]

This is for doubles?

[queen monolith]

I’m thinking possibly

[mighty stump]

Yeah that won't cut it

Like at all

[queen monolith]

And I had an idea for scizor. Air slash and flying Tera

[queen monolith]

Then probably singles

[mighty stump]

Are you new to competitive? Do you have any sort of competitive experience?

That won't cut it either

[queen monolith]

Not really

To the second part. Yes I’m new

[mighty stump]

If you go to the pins theres some resources I recommend you go visit first

[queen monolith]

My scizor is built for attack though.

269 attack at level 90

[mighty stump]

I recommend you visit the resources first.

The game is played at level 50.

[queen monolith]

I can’t find the pinned

[gentle crag]

Here is a list of all of the resources I find most helpful when playing/learning VGC:

https://www.vgcguide.com/ (Helpful website for basics and also to get your feet wet)

https://www.pikalytics.com/ (Shows you usage data and helps you build Pokémon)

https://nerd-of-now.github.io/NCP-VGC-Damage-Calculator/ (Damage calculator that is very helpful when building teams or reflecting on games)

https://youtube.com/c/CybertronVGC (Best channel for daily VGC content, guiding you through the thought process you need for success)

https://victoryroadvgc.com/ (Tournament results, team reports and breakdowns, and rental codes can be found here)

https://twitter.com/VGCPastes - Tournament and high ranked teams

https://twitter.com/vgccorner - Helpful Twitter account that posts in-depth EV spreads and ideas about competitive pokemon

There are dozens of other resources, some of which are in the pinned messages of this channel. But these IMO are the best places to start absorbing knowledge and getting to a place where you're comfortable with VGC

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Command triggered by woodtofu. Message from · Dec 17, 2023, 7:30 PM

[queen monolith]

Huh he’s also docile. So no major buffs anywhere

[mighty stump]

You need to understand the fundamental mechanics first and foremost

[queen monolith]

Would a grass Tera on a ceruledge bait out fire moves or would that be obvious?

For flash fire I mean

[mighty stump]

That is the usual defensive tera for Ceruledge.

Its good

But Ceruledge at the moment

is bad

You need to see the current state of the metagame. Be aware in competitive a lot of your favourite Pokemon possibly won't work/see much use.

[queen monolith]

Lax ceruledge worse then?

[mighty stump]

That's just how it is

[mighty stump]

I thnk you should visit the resources I linked to understand the baseline mechanics necessary to play competitive

Only certain natures are beneficial and that is dependant on the Pokemon

[queen monolith]

Can I run what I’m planning real quick though?

[mighty stump]

as a rule of thumb you never have a nature that is -Def/-Spdef

[mighty stump]

I highly recommend you just read through those first because you might just have to end up changing a majority of your plans

If the basis is built without common competitive knowledge

[queen monolith]

Grass ceruledge with a razor claw. Magnezone with an electric Tera and choice specs. Scizor with a metal coat and a water Tera. That’s what I’ve got so far after scrapping my old team.

[mighty stump]

Razor Claw is not a good item for Ceruledge and you've stated a wrong nature.
Magnezone wants Tera Fly
Scizor item and tera wise is alright. But you also need to EV them

and EVs need to be done at a level 50 standard, not a level 100 standard

-comp ev

[gentle crag]

Effort Values

Effort Values (EVs) are points that a Pokémon gains when earning EXP from a wild Pokémon battle.

The wild Pokémon defeated or caught will determine how many and in which stat those EVs are gained. An online Pokédex like Serebii.net is useful for finding this information.

Effect at Level 50

At Level 50, the first 4 EVs in a stat will grant +1 point to that stat, and every subsequent +1 stat point increase will require 8 EVs in that stat.

Effect at Level 100

At Level 100, every 4 EVs in a stat will grant +1 to that stat.

Maximum EVs

• Maximum total: 510
• Maximum in one stat: 252

Checking EVs

When looking at a Pokémon's summary, press X on the stats page to see EVs. Any EV that is maxed out will have sparkles around the stat name. When the Pokémon is fully trained, the previously orange shape will turn a light mint color.

Help Command: -comp help

[mighty stump]

So its a 4+8n

[queen monolith]

I think I got that.

What ev’a should I train them for them? Def and sp def/atk for magnezone?

I also have an avalugg with sturdy. Not hisuian avalugg, normal. With a +def, -sp atk nature

[mighty stump]

This can be answered if you read the resources

Avalugg is bad

[hollow hatch]

they can use em if they want

[mighty stump]

They can use them. I'm just saying it will be bad. I'm not going to sugarcoat it and pretend some mons are viable. That's just misleading.

[queen monolith]

Which is fair

[mighty stump]

At most you'll be using an Iron Defense Body Press set, and hopefully it gets Heavy Slam. But it gets deleted by any sort of Special Attacker and that set can be done by better mons

[queen monolith]

What about a corviknight with a fighting tera, def ev training, and body press?

With iron defense

[mighty stump]

Dragon Tera is preferrable, I had an old Reg D set, but it's also outdated

https://www.pikalytics.com/

[queen monolith]

Is a weakness policy, steam engine coalossal viable at all?

If I give him endure he could survive a blow from a water move and then get both buffs from his ability and the weakness policy and hopefully do something

[static ice]

Hey does anyone have any idea for a Porygon team? I just love Porygon so much XD

[dapper crag]

P2 trick room is a great starting point

[dapper crag]

Electric, Dragon

Hits for 1x

Bug, Dark, Electric, Fairy, Fighting, Fire, Ghost, Grass, Ground, Ice, Normal, Poison, Psychic, Rock, Steel, Stellar

Hits for 2x

Dragon, Flying, Water

SableyeBot version 4.25.0

[placid thorn]

Not at all mate

[vague whale]

Iron boulder is so fun I've been using decorate smeargle and coaching blaziken to boost him in doubles and he's just been tearing through everyone

[mighty stump]

:/

[cyan smelt]

gholdengo says hi

[orchid falcon]

when using TR support Dusclopps, should i used frisk or pressure?

[knotty mirage]

I don't think it's matter that much but probably frisk

[mighty stump]

Frisk

If its OTS might as well just put Pressure

but for ladder, Frisk.

[wispy spade]

does stamina increase defense once per hit? like pop bomb would give +10 defense to archaludon?

[mighty stump]

The cap is +6.

[harsh depot]

Tfw I somehow went on a 7 battle win streak in ranked VGC with a Flutter Mane that wasn't Bottle Capped

I'm questioning how I forgot to do that

[wispy spade]

but it can go from -4 to +6 in one attack?

[mighty stump]

It can. But I wouldn't want to actively use Pop Bomb lol

You don't have to self proc Stamina..

[bold geode]

I wakey wakey

[wispy spade]

just an example

[tepid saffron]

anyone know the meta builds for the new paradox legendaries or is it too soon? i wanna use them but i wanna train them before so they dont get random ev

[wispy spade]

we can't even use them yet

[mighty stump]

Too soon.

There isn't a meta yet.

[bold geode]

Yeah meta isn't there

[tepid saffron]

i meant use them for random stuff not online

[bold geode]

Also Tofu I saw your Incin spread had 12 attack and 20 speed now instead of 4 and 28. Why?

[mighty stump]

Just because

[bold geode]

Damn that's wild

[wispy spade]

is gouging fire the best protect on smeargle?

[mighty stump]

Gets Taunted

Oof

[bold geode]

Honestly
Spiky Shield

[wispy spade]

you can taunt anything with protect though

[mighty stump]

Oh let me explain: Burning Bulwark doesn't block status

[bold geode]

Yeah but Burning Bulwark did not block status moves

[wispy spade]

[bold geode]

Damn Tofu beat me to it cuz I couldn't type

[wispy spade]

i see

[bold geode]

Yeah so basically even if you use it, you can get Taunted THROUGH it
Also Urshifu passes through it too, which imo is like THE ONE Pokemon you want to get burned from it

[wispy spade]

does he not even get the burn even if he deals damage?

[karmic temple]

I wonder if bug or intentional

[dull ibex]

hello

[harsh depot]

Hiya all

[dull ibex]

suh

[harsh depot]

Not much. How goes?

[dull ibex]

considering doing more ladder

[harsh depot]

I haven't even started on the ladder iirc. Also just discovered my Flutter Mane was never Hyper Trained, so Idk how I was winning with it

[dull ibex]

cart players are trash /hj

[orchid falcon]

you just gave me an idea

[wispy spade]

beat up into body press?

[orchid falcon]

pop bomb into body press

[mighty stump]

I got Archaludon pretty up there

My advice is: unnecessary to self proc

Completely unnecessary

[orchid falcon]

wdym by self proc?

[wispy spade]

attacking self

[orchid falcon]

oh oke

[wispy spade]

swap into a pop bomb or surging strike

how much damage does archaludon take from an urshifu close combat?

[orchid falcon]

lemme check

[autumn vault]

Definetely survives but i cant confirm it

[orchid falcon]

calc doesn't have ID stuff

so ill have to check the old fashion way

[mighty stump]

252/4 survives.

well

252/28

nope, 252/4

[orchid falcon]

This is mine:
Archaludon @ Leftovers
Ability: Stamina
Shiny: Yes
Tera Type: Steel
EVs: 212 Def / 200 SpA / 96 SpD
Bold Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

• Body Press
• Thunderbolt
• Dragon Pulse
• Electro Shot

[dull ibex]

https://discord.com/channels/663661005514997770/1186301195770404884 if anyone wants a ladder stream

[mighty stump]

This is EV'd wrong

[keen karma]

i wonder how good alolan exegg is

[mighty stump]

Its inefficient to EV into Def and SpDef separately when HP will benefit both

[wispy spade]

best looking pokemon

[orchid falcon]

should i replace SpD with HP?

cuz the defense s for body press

[dapper crag]

https://play.pokemonshowdown.com/sprites/gen5/fluttermane.png

[mighty stump]

You dont need defensve investment for Body Press at all.

Archaludon @ Assault Vest
Ability: Stamina
Level: 50
Tera Type: Grass
EVs: 252 HP / 4 Def / 220 SpA / 28 SpD / 4 Spe
Modest Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

• Flash Cannon
• Draco Meteor
• Thunderbolt
• Body Press

[dull ibex]

I might just need scarf tbh

[orchid falcon]

wdym? isnt its calculation based off defense and not attack?

oh you mean i dont need the defense for it that much?

[mighty stump]

Completely unnecessary since you'll more likely already have Stamina boosts

[orchid falcon]

good point

[mighty stump]

Just use my spread

[orchid falcon]

k thx man

[mighty stump]

You dont die to Mane and you dont die to Jolly Shifu CC

[nocturne holly]

living Tera fairy specs moonblast is insane lol

I calced the same thing

[mighty stump]

https://pokepast.es/c689400a1475e4e3

It climbed so smoothly

[orchid falcon]

why didnt you give it electro shot tho? is it cuz its a 2 turn move?

[mighty stump]

Yeah, because Electro Shot even on Rain feels like such a bait move

[dull ibex]

https://pokepast.es/6ac35a64fca88872 im just not sold on this

maybe I need to wait until the format settles

[orchid falcon]

do you think archaludon would be good on TR teams?

[nocturne holly]

Tofu what do you think about sharp beak Tera flying torn?

I’m thinking bout using it

[mighty stump]

Its fine

[wispy spade]

@dull ibex interesting email address

[dull ibex]

huh?

[wispy spade]

twitter showed your gmails

[dull ibex]

interesting

a little weird you looked but ight

[wispy spade]

be careful with that

[nocturne holly]

Do you know of any high ranking teams that used it?

[mighty stump]

Not off the top of my head

[dull ibex]

meh

[keen karma]

my smeargle is so bulky holy shit

[wispy spade]

i never thought i'd see anyone say that

[dull ibex]

why?

bulky is common enough

[wispy spade]

doesn't it have like 35 in both defences?

[static ice]

Hey I know it is asking for a lot but could anyone give me some ideas for a Porygon team? I'm bad at team building 😔

[mighty stump]

P2? it works with any current TR core over Cresselia

[static ice]

Really? Awesome can you send me the team?

[mighty stump]

I don't have a Cresselia team, I'm just saying any existing team could probably be your basis

[wispy spade]

cute torchic

[static ice]

Oh ok misread your previous message

[mighty stump]

like P2/Hands/Torkoal or something of that sort

[static ice]

Thank you?

[gentle crag]

pixel_torchic has given 1 Gen Rep to smolsylveon

[wispy spade]

[bold geode]

[tired sage]

idk why archaludon just works…
it’s become the bane of my existence

[static ice]

What would the spread look like? Definitely no speed because trick room but what else? Do invest in special attack at all? Also what tera type?

[bold geode]

Yeah our current meta
An apple (it has 5 heads now), the San Francisco bridge, and a cat that loves WWE

[mighty stump]

Probably just try not to die to Tera-Water Urshifu

[wispy spade]

what cat?

[mighty stump]

then see if you can snipe back with a Tbolt on Modest

You dont have to be 0 speed

[bold geode]

Incineroar

[wispy spade]

oh

[tired sage]

yeah sounds about right

[wispy spade]

i still haven't caught my litten

[tired sage]

you’ve played the dlc-?
:0

[wispy spade]

yes, i think i'm close to 200 dex

[bold geode]

But keep in mind last Reg there was a teacup and a cosplayer (Ogerpon)

[tired sage]

well the teacup was kinda fun to use

[wispy spade]

I liked teacup

[nocturne holly]

I don’t think hydrapple will become meta tbh

archaludon will be great tho

[tired sage]

i learned that a +2 vacuum wave will ko an archaludon with no SpD investment…

[bold geode]

Then you're kinda dumb ngl
It's so good

[nocturne holly]

shut up monke

[bold geode]

You're just salty

[nocturne holly]

Salty from Linda

btw how is Linda

[bold geode]

She's good

[nocturne holly]

good

anyways
Gotta calc and see if sharp beak torn does more damage than pelipper

pelipper feels too thin
sash helps tho

https://pokepast.es/74c9460490301599 how would farigiraf feel on this over boulder?

[chrome knot]

im doing the exact same team for reg f

[autumn vault]

Isn't regigigas an unrestricted legend? Becasue with grafaiai and weezing this thing will dominate the whole meta except against urshifu and i want to use it

And with grafaiai that would mean that regigigas' slow start would not take efect anymore

[bold geode]

Emmie

[chrome knot]

what

it is the same i just changed 1 thing

[bold geode]

Hi

[nocturne holly]

send

vikx is also doing the same thing

different sets

[chrome knot]

i meant im not changing my reg e team much

[nocturne holly]

I see

[chrome knot]

walking wake kinda completes lillikoal

[tired sage]

wake likikoal :0

[nocturne holly]

wake is great into heat which most sun teams struggle with

[chrome knot]

i sent the paste in my channel c:

[autumn vault]

I am building rn my team with ONLY new pokemon, so far its archaludon hydrapple and politoed, i am planning zapdos incineroar and metagross

[smoky hawk]

Still banned in reg F

GF is giving the middle finger to those Paradoxes

[chrome knot]

people are saying itll be legal

[autumn vault]

I dont think it will be legal

[chrome knot]

and they’re bringing it back again

what the fuck is the point of releasing these pokémon

[tired sage]

here’s to praying that they’re legal but i highly doubt it…
;-;

[chrome knot]

do 1 thing right this dlc challenge

[autumn vault]

I dont think they will, but i wish so i can see urshifu rapid fall off, many fighting types deserve a chace and we just have to deal with urshifu and be patient, reg F is coming soon

[wooden igloo]

Do i have to decrease a pokemon's ev to increase the one ev i need?

[tired sage]

hands exists…

[chrome knot]

dont see a point rereleasing them but they have no problems with a transfer in format where if you cant spend $90 you lose

[wooden igloo]

Bc i can't max a pokemon's ev

[chrome knot]

hands would be sleepin

[dapper crag]

https://play.pokemonshowdown.com/sprites/ani-shiny/geodude-alola.gif

https://play.pokemonshowdown.com/sprites/ani-shiny/golem-alola.gif

[mighty stump]

Orange

Hm

[chrome knot]

boom team

[mighty stump]

I got triple shiny reuniclus

[chrome knot]

woah

[mighty stump]

jelly baby

[tired sage]

:0
magic guard psyspam user

it gets magic guard i think…?

[chrome knot]

regenerator

[mighty stump]

all three are technicaly viable

Magic Guard cause LO damage is removed

Overcoat cause Overcoat

[tired sage]

magic guard prevents LO damage yeah

[mighty stump]

Regenerator cause Regenerator

[dull ibex]

not on showdown its not

there is no real reason for wake to be banned again

why do people even think it will be banned

[tired sage]

well…
showdown is just speculation. we won’t get the list until christmas…

[dull ibex]

it wasnt legal in showdown all the other seasons

[tired sage]

cause it’s been banned for the other regulations-?

[dull ibex]

in the early "Speculation" formats it was still banned

it is legal now which leads me to believe they have reason to believe it will be legal

and we dont really have a reason to assume it wont

[chrome knot]

hooray for smart people

[dull ibex]

its never been legal on showdown only to get banned in official format

I just dont understand the doomposting about walking wake

if im wrong and its banned ingame that sucks

[tired sage]

wake is a good mon-
it works well with some teams so that’s nice but yeah…
if it does somehow get banned…
i will be sad…

[dull ibex]

I just dont think its reasonable to assert it will be bannned

or assume it wont be legal

it makes more sense they were waiting for all of the other paradox legendaries to be out to legalize wake and leaves

[smoky hawk]

Thats great news then. I thought I read it's banned on serebii

[dull ibex]

Also I dont believe showdown is speculation mumu

[smoky hawk]

That will change the kind of team I build. I want to use wake

[dull ibex]

I imagine showdown gets the list early from datamines

or evidence to back the list they have

[next stump]

I think the paradox legends will be legal, but showdown is still speculation. The head programmer is Leonard Craft and he has said many times that they just educated guess the formats