I use it so much
#competitive_discussion
molten oasis
bold geode
It was in some Unite server and Drago has applied it to like 3 servers lmao
karmic temple
The bright side is you can time skip to collect the coins faster
bold geode
Be sure to follow the format plz
chrome knot
It was in some Unite server and Drago has applied it to like 3 servers lmao
id assume unites subreddit server x)
karmic temple
uploading my rental team real soon 👀
Hi friend, I don’t believe your rental team follows the format so it may be deleted and asked to redo it
autumn vault
well its from reg E
molten oasis
id assume unites subreddit server x)
chrome knot
LOL
bold geode
well its from reg E
Yeah, there is a format to follow for posting the team in the rental team channel pins
molten oasis
Bro Jordan Peele is working with Kojima and it’s such an interesting concept
chrome knot
what on earth is that rental
bold geode
Emmie let's not shame the rentals plz
chrome knot
imsorry
molten oasis
Sorry that wasn’t anyone’s intention
molten oasis
It’s really just the moves, and I don’t think Bloodmoon fits
autumn vault
It’s really just the moves, and I don’t think Bloodmoon fits
that is why i said revamping time
molten oasis
That team is good otherwise just needs a couple tweaks
autumn vault
i will do it tomorrow
its nightime
I still needed a special attacker though, and no type repeats
autumn vault
I cant, i dont have the paste
molten oasis
Do you know how to get the paste?
bold geode
Do you know the spreads either?
autumn vault
Yes but the pc is taken so i cant acces it
molten oasis
You’re on your phone rn I assume?
autumn vault
You’re on your phone rn I assume?
Yes
molten oasis
You can do it on your phone too
bold geode
You can do it on mobile too as long as you know what the spreads are
autumn vault
Ik the spreads, but not the exact spreads
bold geode
Ah well I guess we can help fix those anyways if you want so
You know the moves/teras/mons?
autumn vault
Yes i do
bold geode
Items
autumn vault
Ik as well
molten oasis
The mons were pon mane mence Bloodmoon shifu and, uhhhh
autumn vault
The mons were pon mane mence Bloodmoon shifu and, uhhhh
Iron hands
molten oasis
Hands ok
autumn vault
One type repeat is enough
molten oasis
We can just start with those
bold geode
Ok so you have the mons, the moves, teras, and items? If so
molten oasis
Do you remember if mence was special or physical
autumn vault
Its special with tailwind
gentle cragBOT
woodtofu (ID 250386799363489808)
molten oasis
Ok
bold geode
Here's a way you can do it on mobile and send a paste
molten oasis
We should replace Bloodmoon imo
autumn vault
Its late here, feeling tired rn, i will do it tomorrow
bold geode
Right
molten oasis
Oh ok, if you don’t want to do this rn we can do it later
molten oasis
K
autumn vault
Its 10 o' clock pm here
What is a good special attacker for the team
All i am asking
autumn vault
Chi yu probably
I do have chi yu
autumn vault
Or bundle
I have rapid urshifu so not bundle
Well, now its just back to the drawing board
molten oasis
Let’s do chi Yu then, chi flutter is a really strong combo
autumn vault
I have to go, thx for helping @molten oasis
gentle cragBOT
I have to go, thx for helping <@465881273454559252>
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finite vine
I wonder if a Gravity team would work
finite vine
I hate Gravity gimmicks
Why
bold geode
Because it's annoying getting hypnotized 5 times in a row
Gravity Hypnosis is a hellish combo
finite vine
Because it's annoying getting hypnotized 5 times in a row
I can feel the power now 
bold geode
finite vine
Gravity Hypnosis is a hellish combo
Thanks for letting me know!
gentle cragBOT
Thanks for letting me know!
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bold geode
Sí señor
bold geode
Idt Smeargle is gonna get it/be viable enough to even
ionic shell
Should I just wait for the new dlc before I make a new team
willow vault
Idt Smeargle is gonna get it/be viable enough to even
I think it will be good, but I don’t think it will be everywhere, I reckon probably about 5% play, but I haven’t played a format with Smeargle legal so I have no idea how popular it will be
willow vault
Should I just wait for the new dlc before I make a new team
Probably, it gives a better idea on what to expect and deal with
near crag
Hey, I'm trying to make a team based on rain + electric terrain, I know its bad, but I think the concept could work. I'd (ideally) lead with pelliper and pinchurchin, set up tailwind, and get dnite and another mon at the field. Or, just go Hyper offensive, (without pinchurchin, basically). Thanks! https://pokepast.es/e6c9b178df26f94d
lofty tartan
Snow Cloak Beartic without any snow
Electric Terrain without anything really benefitting from it
Yeah seems pretty rough
Special attacking Dragonite with Inner Focus, so it only uses half of the benefit of the ability
near crag
Forgot to change the abilities, my bad
The plan was to use tailwind + rain + electric terrain with Tera electric dnite + thunder
lofty tartan
Sounds extremely complicated for what is effectively a stab boost worth of damage for electric on Dragonite (which has base 100 sp attack and 134 attack so definitely better physical focused)
And also requires you to run Pincurchin, which is pretty bad in its own rights
near crag
I have done some changes, now the ideal lead would be sandy shocks and pelliper, and then switch to zapdos and another of the pokemon. https://pokepast.es/9afe9aabe506e3ab
keen karma
Idt Smeargle is gonna get it/be viable enough to even
It def will imo
The reason i see people saying it will be bad is because of shifu and cts
But imo if they see the moves smeargle has sure it lets them better prepare but sometimes you can have moves they didnt plan for
karmic temple
It’s so frail and not even that fast I doubt it will see very much play
molten oasis
It def will imo
It’ll be at most decent
If it gets dark void, yippee
If not it’s just something that dies in 2 hits
dapper crag
SableyeBot version 4.24.4
molten oasis
It’ll prob run sash
Anything that’s faster and can fake it out or has a multi hit move beats it
So like, I don’t think we should expect much from smeargle except it’s gonna be annoying in cts
keen karma
It’ll be at most decent
False
It definitely has potential to be good + the format isnt even out
molten oasis
I don’t have any faith in it
(Mostly cuz I don’t want to deal with it in the first place)
karmic temple
I think once it comes out people will probably try and use it for a couple weeks then it’ll fall off
cyan smelt
Depends what other mons are in the DLC and what moves it can learn, it definitely won't be allowed to learn dark void
Also I didn't see xerneas and yveltal in the trailer so no dark void+ geomancy
digital fractal
https://pokepast.es/111a678452fa7de8
How would I improve this team? Trick room is becoming a huge problem
next stump
how willing are you to change up most of the team lol
because there are a lot of things stopping this from being a strong team
shrewd scarab
https://pokepast.es/111a678452fa7de8
How would I improve this team? Trick room i...
You could replace Iron Valiant with a pokemon that can learn trick room and imprison. Then use imprison if they send out a TR setter
cyan smelt
Pretty sure chandeleure can do that
shrewd scarab
Mimikyu, and Gallade also
cyan smelt
And flutter
shrewd scarab
Yee
I had a team that I was struggling against TR teams and I put a gallade with imprison wide guard and TR and it was what I needed to help me finish climbing
digital fractal
I'm trying to use shiny pokemon I currently have. I know I have a shiny fairgriaf that I think can learn both Imprison and TR
keen karma
how willing are you to change up most of the team lol
Im pretty sure its a singles team
Nvm
keen karma
https://pokepast.es/111a678452fa7de8
How would I improve this team? Trick room i...
What is the goal of your team
smoky hawk
For some reason the dmg calc doesn't change dmg output for ruin abilities and neutralizing gas
bold geode
I had a team that I was struggling against TR teams and I put a gallade with imp...
Monk in comp oh
shrewd scarab
I pop in from time to time
bold geode
I AM THE COMP MONK 
Lol
People call me Monke if they don't know me cuz like
I guess apparently taking away the y in monkey doesn't make it monkey anymore
nocturne holly
People call me Monke if they don't know me cuz like
I guess apparently taking a...
no i think it may be because your username says monke
just a guess
bold geode
No you're just dumb
cyan smelt
monk vs monke
nocturne holly
No you're just dumb
stop talking
go home
loserbabyface
bold geode
monk vs monke
Finally a worthy opponent
lime dew
is 5IV0atk or 4IV0atk0spe better for palkia? idk which one to catch in #hydreigon_raids so thought i'd ask here. proton told me palkia is too speedy for trick room so maybe 5IV0atk is better...?
cyan smelt
people definitely used palkia tr in swsh
it's slow compared to other legendaries like calyrex-s and zacian
and ofc koraidon/miraidon
mighty stump
is 5IV0atk or 4IV0atk0spe better for palkia? idk which one to catch in <#1045451...
Its seen use in TR
It can work with or without though
so 5IV0Atk is fine for all intents and purposes
fallen garden
cartridge ladder is very discouraging today
won like 8 games in a row, then lost three in a row to TR, Iron Thorn Rock Slide (???), and poison stall
cyan smelt
i've found it good, i beat someone ranked 800-ish and someone ranked 300ish
inside the top 1000 now
fallen garden
The blessing in disguise is that this toxic stall fight is reminding me why I play VGC and not singles
cyan smelt
is that the toxapex team
fallen garden
maybe, it's the first I've seen it
cyan smelt
cybertron featured a toxapex stall team
fallen garden
pex, glimmora, garganacle,
lime dew
so 5IV0Atk is fine for all intents and purposes
thank you and @cyan smelt i think i'll catch a 5IV0atk on my violet save and then 4IV0atk0spe on my scarlet save
gentle cragBOT
thank you and <@489940982217965570> i think i'll catch a 5IV0atk on my violet sa...
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orchid falcon
is G moltres good?
cyan smelt
pex, glimmora, garganacle,
that sounds like the cybertron featured team
mighty stump
is G moltres good?
It can work alright within the right team setup
It’s not splashable
fallen garden
that sounds like the cybertron featured team
i will never forgive cybertron
mighty stump
i will never forgive cybertron
I mean cybertron doesnt display singles teams
cyan smelt
nvm it wasn't the cybertron team
fallen garden
I mean cybertron doesnt display singles teams
It was on the VGC ladder
cyan smelt
you can shut down toxapex and garganacl with taunt
glimmora just hit it with special moves, that way it doesn't trigger its ability
fallen garden
yeah, I know it probably wasn't an unwinnable matchup
I was just caught so off-guard and wasn't sure what they were going to lead
cyan smelt
what was the rest of the team
fallen garden
There was a dragonite on team preview that he never brought
I think there was an espathra somehow? but I might be getting the ladder battles mixed up
mighty stump
Eh, Bo3 ladder also still has wack sets and cheese
You just get the opportunity to recover
cyan smelt
surprise factor is reduced
bold geode
NEW RENTAL OUT
Also for any newbies or others struggling with teams, I got a message in there I want y'all to read
cyan smelt
so this was a misclick or a misplay right, i had armarouge against ogerpon-water and roaring moon and the roaring moon used acrobatics on armarouge which allowed it to live and set up tr when knock off would've secured the ko
mighty stump
so this was a misclick or a misplay right, i had armarouge against ogerpon-water...
I think they tried to call or cover the tera
cyan smelt
but i'd already teraed indeedee into fire
mighty stump
Misplay then
cyan smelt
yeah i got lucky there
cyan smelt
surprised they didn't protect weezing at all though
oh god it's horrific
i struggle enough with dondozo without minimise lmao
how do you beat it when unburden drifblim outspeeds scarf drago
i suppose lillikoal would be even faster
but they lead indeedee drifblim and use follow me to redirect after you
dapper crag
SableyeBot version 4.24.4
smoky hawk
Icy wind is missing once every 3 times against one pokemon
So that's like a 5/6 accuracy
I guess thats not too far off
cyan smelt
surprised i haven't seen more brambleghast on ladder tbh, immune to bleakwind and sandsear
smoky hawk
I was thinking about brambleghast
cyan smelt
heat wave and icy wind immune too
smoky hawk
Was just playtesting a team with weezing
Attack boosted shadow sneak OHKOs most flutters
cyan smelt
tailwind + poltergeist
smoky hawk
Yeah I would run both moves
cyan smelt
gets strength sap for iron hands
actually strength sap probably isn't worth running because it's so frail
mighty stump
actually strength sap probably isn't worth running because it's so frail
I mean what other move are you really running
cyan smelt
power whip
mighty stump
Sap can be utility though, like a free intimidate slot
cyan smelt
true
cyan smelt
Poggers
molten oasis
Was having some piloting issues, and was also raging lol
cyan smelt
Damn, brambleghast can learn hex but no will o wisp
molten oasis
Losing to rain surf dozo does things to you
I plan to train it in game and grind the ladder with it
And bring it to a tournament
I think it’s a really cool tech
Thx Prog
cyan smelt
Nice E terrain can replace psychic terrain
mighty stump
First time ever hitting 1600 <a:SphealBounce:684500499478741032>
Grats
molten oasis
Nice E terrain can replace psychic terrain
That’s the reason for it actually
E terrain was placed because amoonguss and psyspam suck for this team
molten oasis
Fr
cyan smelt
Thundy is underrated
short nebula
wassup bois
cyan smelt
Think I might want to build around brambleghast, I like it
cyan smelt
What are some of the existing teams
molten oasis
btw whats the full team anyways
Thundy I and mane were suggestions since i wanted a soft tr team
With banded shifu
dapper crag
i had build a team but im not that expirenced in making them i was wondering if its good or not idk if i could make it better or not
Grimmsnarl @ Covert Cloak
Ability: Prankster
Level: 100
Tera Type: Steel
EVs: 252 HP / 104 Def / 152 Spe
Bold Nature
- Sucker Punch
- Light Screen
- Protect
- Reflect
Volcarona @ Life Orb
Ability: Flame Body
Level: 100
Tera Type: Flying
EVs: 152 HP / 152 Atk / 84 Def / 120 Spe
Modest Nature
- Fly
- Protect
- Tera Blast
- U-turn
Okidogi @ Clear Amulet
Ability: Toxic Chain
Level: 100
Tera Type: Ghost
EVs: 252 HP / 152 Atk / 104 Spe
Lonely Nature
- Crunch
- Gunk Shot
- Ice Punch
- Protect
Azumarill @ Focus Sash
Ability: Huge Power
Level: 100
Tera Type: Fairy
EVs: 132 HP / 252 Atk / 56 Def / 68 Spe
Adamant Nature
- Helping Hand
- Play Rough
- Draining Kiss
- Substitute
Ogerpon @ Cornerstone Mask
Ability: Embody Aspect
Level: 100
Tera Type: Rock
EVs: 152 HP / 100 Atk / 100 SpA / 156 Spe
Naughty Nature
- Leech Seed
- Follow Me
- Energy Ball
- Seed Bomb
Gholdengo @ Choice Specs
Ability: Good As Gold
Level: 50
Tera Type: Ground
EVs: 152 HP / 252 SpA / 104 Spe
Modest Nature
- Make It Rain
- Nasty Plot
- Shadow Ball
- Tera Blast
cyan smelt
singles or doubles
charred saddle
why ground gholdengo?
cyan smelt
also rock ogerpon without ivy cudgel seems kinda weird
charred saddle
fly volc too?
cyan smelt
grimm without fairy moves also seems kinda weird
charred saddle
rather than clear amulet dogi, i think getting guard dog for intim is better no?
ps. im not giving advice, im asking based on my experience
cyan smelt
also drain punch and bulk up for sustain
charred saddle
i dont think grimm have to have fairy move, its a support oriented one
parting shot
double screens is what i would have, the last is flexible maybe
cyan smelt
isn't it usually screens, spirit break and parting shot/taunt
charred saddle
i mean usually its spirit break
dapper crag
why ground gholdengo?
it was for electric coverage
charred saddle
specs dengo usually uses steel tera and get the free damage from tera and Make it rain
charred saddle
it was for electric coverage
why tho? its never weak to electric
dapper crag
fly volc too?
im not sure about this tbh i just dident know what to put on him
cyan smelt
specs gholdengo can also run dragon tera to reduce fire damage
molten oasis
https://pokepast.es/1f1287aba3018513
With this team, mane just exists again. If there was a better Mon to slot in I would I just don’t know what would work so mane will be here for the time being
charred saddle
volc usually uses set up for offensive sets
for support it can run rage powder,
but fly is never the option for offensive sets as its taking 2 turn
cyan smelt
grass or water is better for volc
charred saddle
specs gholdengo can also run dragon tera to reduce fire damage
ye, but i just feel like dragon tera benefits more into nasty plot variants
cyan smelt
or dragon again
charred saddle
i mean it can run it, but steel tera make it rain specs dengo does so much its so dumb
like just immediate damage
cyan smelt
there's also no speed control on the team
dapper crag
hmm
cyan smelt
and with rilla around i don't think azu is viable
dapper crag
ok let me change some stuff around
charred saddle
i usually just take a look at the normal sets and see why its used, and change from there to my likings
haha, i just thought of something dumb
dengo got kinda outsped by some mon, then why not just scarf ahha
no damage tho, but its funny
cyan smelt
isn't it still slower than flutter, moon and scarf lando
charred saddle
yep
149 max speed timid + scarf hits 223 ish
and it wont even get some important ko's
dont do it lol
charred saddle
if youre going specs, no nasty plot
dapper crag
oh yeah i dident think about that
charred saddle
for nasty plot variants i think it needs some bulk (idk the spreads tho)
and then leftovers/ life orb for more damage
leftovers help you set up more freely
idk about ogerpon not having spiky shield, its good to have
and why does your pon have sp atk investment?
okidogi might want drain punch STAB and for sustaining
azu idk, haha
never used it or played against it
and why subs when youre using sash, it doesnt work
dapper crag
i had energy ball on pon and i forgot to change ivs
charred saddle
light clay may be better for grimm for longer screens, but idk
dapper crag
quick question if i have a covert cloak on does it stop recoil damage ?
charred saddle
no
dapper crag
dang
dapper crag
i was gonna go flare blitzs on volc instead on protect and i was gonna use covert but idk if it works like that
knotty mirage
Yeah covert will not negate recoil damage the only thing i can think off to do that is ability rock head and sheer force
charred saddle
https://pokepast.es/f0a099c07b048c7e
thats my take on your team, i just didnt see any reason to go for azu. especially when theres water urshifu which is better
gholdie might want some speed control since its quite slow and can die to some one hits
oh i forgot to change the EV on dogi, might want some more Sp def since its running AV
dapper crag
gholdie might want some speed control since its quite slow and can die to some o...
yeah thats why i was thinking tailwind
charred saddle
idk about running tailwind and screens setup in the same team, feels to greedy
tailwind for quick hyper offensive pressure.
screens for slow setup teams like volc
whild gholdengo can do as the other setup, azu took it.
you can make gholdengo nasty plot if its not azu i think,
else idk what to do with azu haha
cyan smelt
two fairy types on the same team seems kinda ehh
charred saddle
grimm doesnt really care about it tho, so i dont see any problem.
and its only 2 so not really a problem i think
dapper crag
alr ima run afew games in showdown and get used to the team
charred saddle
and if they do have a strong steel answer, theres volc and dogie
dapper crag
thanks for the help
charred saddle
gl,
do note that i have not done any EV spreads calc
so, its better if you asked for more opinions on it.
especially from a more experienced player
cyan smelt
cough like tofu cough
cyan smelt
man it's gonna be chaos when the legendaries come back
charred saddle
i feel like they did quite similar, like the bulk and staying on field clicking heatwave
cyan smelt
volc needs more setup to be effective imo
cyan smelt
reg f will be hype
molten oasis
koraidon + groudon + flutter + venusaur
Idk if groudon and korai will be paired together
cyan smelt
koraidon when you don't have to worry about ogre, groudon to win the weather war with ogre
knotty mirage
miraidon + hands
I will expect soo many fairy terra dazzling gleam miraidon
molten oasis
koraidon when you don't have to worry about ogre, groudon to win the weather war...
Ig that’s fair
cyan smelt
although i guess two sun setters is kinda redundant
autumn vault
hello, so some people here remember my rental that i deleted, i remade the team and need personal opinions, will share pokepaste real soon, i need to decode the ev's
https://pokepast.es/c3b783e16988cab1 here it is
pls i need to know opinions
mighty stump
For future reference you don’t need to display all the IVs
mighty stump
You’re wasting EVs for Ogerpon, Salamence, Iron Hands
Since they were done looking like level 100 EVs
Level 50 EVs work at 4+8x
autumn vault
i will update it all at lvl 50
also for ogerpon i wanted it to be atleast be a bit bulky
mighty stump
What are the thresholds youre trying to hit?
mighty stump
i will update it all at lvl 50
yeah you can just wiggle the sliders on Showdown
autumn vault
ik
i put them in their in game level
wait a bit, i will send them in their lvl 50's
what are pokemon that should be replaced?
probably hands
mighty stump
Id probably replace ogerpon/chi yu with an Amoonguss and you’d have pretty standard balance
autumn vault
ok, looks like hands and chi yu are going to be replaced by ¿? and amoonguss
thats all
autumn vault
tera blast maybe?
autumn vault
my salamence threatens lando-t with pump so i will go with heavy slam
mighty stump
Wait wheres Air Slash
autumn vault
not there
mighty stump
Why
autumn vault
danm i am a lot worse than i thought
mighty stump
Its STAB
mighty stump
and id add protect, Hydro is really meh on Mence
autumn vault
Done, slash is now in my salamence's moves
mighty stump
cause Coverage is nice and all, but I wouldnt rlly wanna be using mence to try and hit Lando like that
Since you have tailwind ig you have more potent answers anyways
autumn vault
looks like i have to commit genocide with scatterbugs
mighty stump
and this gives you a nice way to hit Urshifu with something safe
autumn vault
and this gives you a nice way to hit Urshifu with something safe
i did what you recommended me, now its testing time
mighty stump
Well, good luck
autumn vault
its the morning for me and i am not supposed to play the switch
but later
thx for the help @mighty stump
gentle cragBOT
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autumn vault
What is my boi skeledirge doing in ubers as 10th
Blud thinks he is on the team
dull ibex
vc? 👀
polar vigil
Dialga/palkia aint banned right? Whats a good spread? 0 spe +252 spa +252 SpD trick room?
next stump
they're banned for in-game battles
for at least another few months, if not a year or so
bold geode
Got people talking in rental teams
next stump
ty
bold geode
Yup
autumn vault
is heatran good because its bulky, hits hard, has decent coverage, will-o-wisp, immunity to poison and fire (if it has flash fire) and good typing?
next stump
will-o-wisp not really a factor but everything else you said is definitely why its used in VGC
autumn vault
any reasons i havent said?
mighty stump
so much salamence balance at stuggart regional
This was their team, funnily enough
dull ibex
its happening right now right?
mighty stump
Yeah
mighty stump
im gonna start a vc and check it out
cant join for a while
dull ibex
fair
I think when I buy expansion pack i'll do some stadium streasm
that sounds pretty fun to stream and optimize with yall
keen karma
im gonna start a vc and check it out
Wanna do raids?
abstract gyro
what do the pledge moves combined do?
dull ibex
Wanna do raids?
no
the only issue is im pretty stadium 1 and 2 don't have doubles
mostly because doubles didnt exist yet
karmic temple
what do the pledge moves combined do?
Besides pretty animation? Grass/water slows fire/water is a 1/8th damage at end of turn and grass/fire increases additional effects
Might have the combos mixed up you can google it tho
karmic temple
In the end, we all won by watching a great match 😌 (I’m at work I didn’t watch)
summer shore
Huh
keen karma
THEY SAID E-SPEED GOES BEFORE FAKE OUT
I mean how else do you explain dragonites using espeed when faked out
Surely its not an ability
polar vigil
Is +252 spe palkia/dialga feasible or is that just no point
keen karma
Is +252 spe palkia/dialga feasible or is that just no point
Im pretty sure they are tr mons + its not restricted
So dont use ev items on them yet
polar vigil
Im pretty sure they are tr mons + its not restricted
As in they can be used for reg F?
I'm just wondering if +252 spe would be feasible
lofty tartan
Palkia and Dialga are restricted
So they won't be added until restricted pokemon are added
Box legendaries.
This will not be Reg F
polar vigil
I see
keen karma
As in they can be used for reg F?
Probably like reg g or something
autumn vault
so much salamence balance at stuggart regional
Dude i have put salamence in my team, now everyone is using it, holy moly
keen karma
Dude i have put salamence in my team, now everyone is using it, holy moly
Its been a thing for a while
Especially at tourneys
autumn vault
I will re-share my updated team soon, someone has to get off of the pc so i can share the rental code and pokepaste
charred saddle
ye salamence is starting to get pickup now
bright spire
I used the wrong ditto now I have a 0 atk shiny pawniard 
charred saddle
I used the wrong ditto now I have a 0 atk shiny pawniard <:whyy:8205444487983923...
HAHAHAH
ur so dumb ham
go make it special attacker
new meta
polar vigil
Its been a thing for a while
Whats the build like?
summer shore
<@177012687111323649>
Winton
bold geode
Winton
autumn vault
my rental will appear in an hour and a half because the slowmode is so danm slow
i cand send the pokepaste here rn
what are your personal opinions
brb in 5 minutes after bathroom break
polar vigil
ogerpon
mighty stump
Whats the build like?
Mence runs TW/Draco Meteor/AIr Slash/Protect with Intimidate
charred saddle
wild charge > thunder punch
feels off about band in watershifu
no fly stab on mence?
dapper crag
https://pokepast.es/05c621b09090c427 a gen 4 comp team i made lf suggestions
autumn vault
i am back
charred saddle
tofu, is watershifu band a thing?
since i dont feel it benefits a lot, no sucker like its dark counterpart
mystic for detect(?)
polar vigil
Ow
autumn vault
and it still doesnt kill iron hands
polar vigil
And whats the diff between detect and protect
solid ravine
type
charred saddle
no difference in usage, pp difference
dapper crag
SableyeBot version 4.24.4
solid ravine
most run detect if they can in case of imprision iirc
dapper crag
https://pokepast.es/05c621b09090c427 can i get some suggestions for this team ?
autumn vault
i dont play gen 4 comp
mighty stump
tofu, is watershifu band a thing?
since i dont feel it benefits a lot, no sucke...
Not really
Like, its a valid choice imo
But I feel its also awkward to play around with
autumn vault
there are some pokemon that survive urshifu surging strikes and can tera to resist it, i wanted it to do GOOD damage regardless
plus scarf was taken by a more deserving pokemon
mighty stump
Mystic Water + Rain + Tera already does enough
autumn vault
seems like its revamping time for the 3rd time
i gave my shifu splash plate
too lazy to change it to mystic water
weary steeple
Unfortunate does not even begin to describe my last two games
Good ol RNG lol. I got two crits that knocked out my main attack mons
I mean I also didn’t play good so that’s a thing but still
autumn vault
Comp pokemon in a nutshell
polar vigil
there are some pokemon that survive urshifu surging strikes and can tera to resi...
Raindance tornadus + mystic water
autumn vault
I am not a complete meta slave
mighty stump
Meta slaving isn't even a bad thing lol
That's like saying trying to win is a bad thing
polar vigil
I still run ursaluna with earthquake lmao
autumn vault
I run lando-T with earthquake
autumn vault
Raindance tornadus + mystic water
Also i use salamence as THE STAR, tornadus and salamence in the same team is so bad
supple ether
Outside of scarf or Focus Sash, is there a viable way to run Chandelure?
Some secret sauce I'm not seeing?
supple ether
Oh TR 
80 is lower than most the relevant mons
Plus options for Torkoal maybe?
Or would torkoal = team dies to usrhifu/landorus off rip
Oh but freeze dry
food for thought ty
Fun fact: chandelure has enough bulk to live surging strikes in the sun
rancid hound
molten oasis
molten oasis
I run lando-T with earthquake
Lando with eq is bad rn imo
Rillaboom being meta is a big reason why (terrain half’s the damage of eq)
warm slate
hey guys! I am looking for a pikachu team to have some fun with on cart.
here is a team that i pulled from labmaus:
https://pokepast.es/93d559c62225e874
(Creator: AshMX)
do you guys have any advice for piloting this team, or some changes? the tera dark knock-off pikachu is so spicy, im excited to try it.
autumn vault
i am soon sharing the final rental team version
danm photo is giving me more trouble than i thought
finite vine
What status does the least damage to yourself?
autumn vault
What status does the least damage to yourself?
burn
paralysis and freeze dont do damage
autumn vault
idk, i dont use jolteon
uploaded my team
anyways back to watching nathaniel bandy
finite vine
Anyway anybody here what ability do ya recommend me for Jolteon?
autumn vault
volt absorb is better, quick feet is unnecesary when jolteon is super fast, plus volt absorb add an imunnity
tired atlas
Anyway anybody here what ability do ya recommend me for Jolteon?
Jolteon is my favorite Pokémon, I have tons of Jolts merch and love the Mon to death
But if you're using him in VGC, I'm sorry, you're just limiting yourself. Don't do it.
That being said, if you really want to use Jolteon, Volt Absorb is just better.
smoky hawk
Max hp or max spdef for AV iron hands?
finite vine
Jolteon is my favorite Pokémon, I have tons of Jolts merch and love the Mon to d...
I’m planning something really good for it. A certain move and its speed is just perfect for my strategy
finite vine
volt absorb is better, quick feet is unnecesary when jolteon is super fast, plus...
Got it! Thanks mate!
gentle cragBOT
Got it! Thanks mate!
kumotzu has given 1 Gen Rep to lycopoky
grizzled bronze
Max hp or max spdef for AV iron hands?
I think most hands run 252 spd cause it already has high hp stat
mighty stump
Max SpDef.
smoky hawk
Gotcha ty
finite vine
I’m planning something really good for it. A certain move and its speed is just ...
Nvm Jolteon doesn’t learn sing in this region. I don’t need this thing anymore 
weary steeple
Nvm Jolteon doesn’t learn sing in this region. I don’t need this thing anymore <...
F in chat
If you want a fast sleeper, get you a chlorophyll lilligant
Or Venosaur when the dlc drops next week
finite vine
I was planning fastest sing with gravity
tired atlas
Nvm Jolteon doesn’t learn sing in this region. I don’t need this thing anymore <...
Okay I'm not saying this strategy is good, but if you want stupid funny fast Sleep, Gravity Sandy Shocks with Speed Bost Hypnosis Espathra
mighty stump
Iron Valiant, Sandy Shocks, Espathra.
weary steeple
Fire has worked well for me. Protects against fairy types and Torkoal shenanigans
smoky hawk
K my concern is still ground moves but no tera will solve everything
mighty stump
K my concern is still ground moves but no tera will solve everything
You're still weak to ground moves, just run Water
Or Grass
FWG works for Hands
@autumn vault Your submission has been deleted due to the following reasons:
- Did not follow the proper submission format
weary steeple
I will be fair here, the best Tera also depends on your team and how you use it
weary steeple
Like it also depends on what pokemon you want to Tera?
Like if I am trying to Tera iron hands vs something else
mighty stump
Ig as a general rule of thumb you want something that either:
- Strong offensive Tera
- Strong defensive Tera to win a matchup
- A tera that can do both by shedding a secondary typing
mighty stump
Like if I am trying to Tera iron hands vs something else
That's just win-con identification and is contextual to per game
weary steeple
strange fjord
Late game tera goes crazy
autumn vault
<@1104069302946103348> Your submission has been deleted due to the following rea...
danm why did i forget it twice
mighty stump
Just follow the format, and write up simple notes like everyone else.
autumn vault
ok got it
mighty stump
At least your screenshot is good, cause that's where everyone usualyl has problems with
autumn vault
i used usb type-c with pc, a lot of stuff i did
looks like i have to do it all over again
dull haven
pseudo wigeon
someone wanna build together? is everyone building teams solo or do people already have groups
autumn vault
danm now i have to wait 6 hours to post it which is past my bedtime
slowmode really screwing me over
kindred cypress
What does breaking swipe do again, and why do I see it on salamances?
charred saddle
hit both enemies and -1 atk on both
dapper crag
SableyeBot version 4.24.4
autumn vault
flutter mane is unhealthy meta
craggy swan
can anyone help me make a competitve team that includes the new durladon evolution and serprior?
autumn vault
can anyone help me make a competitve team that includes the new durladon evoluti...
they havent came out yet
craggy swan
they havent came out yet
I know, just wanna make a team beforehand
autumn vault
I know, just wanna make a team beforehand
serperior is a grass type, not that good in doubles
craggy swan
serperior is a grass type, not that good in doubles
true just wanted to know if its good now its contray and tera
weary steeple
can anyone help me make a competitve team that includes the new durladon evoluti...
Probably won’t be able to make a team until we know the stats
autumn vault
true just wanted to know if its good now its contray and tera
yeah most likely it will get better with tera,
grizzled bronze
serperior is a grass type, not that good in doubles
how does grass typing not make it good in doubles
autumn vault
how does grass typing not make it good in doubles
there is ogerpon, rillaboom, amongus, grass not that good of a type and it relies on leaf storm contrary
grizzled bronze
huh? so grass typing is good then no?
weary steeple
You basically have to justify using a team slot on set period rather than use a tried and true non
weary steeple
huh? so grass typing is good then no?
Offensively, not really
It’s resisted by a lot of things. It’s far more useful for its powder immunities
bold geode
<a:umbreonwave:900495646669303929>
Get out of here Khuja
Rebellion against mods (joke)
weary steeple
It’s by no means awful in the current meta, but the opportunity cost to have a serperior sweep vs a grass Pokémon like Ogerpon or even Urshifu who can play a similar role is not to be ignored
bold geode
Tf context I miss
ember linden
flutter mane is unhealthy meta
Urshifu is unhealthy meta, not flutter
fathom geyser
Erm what kills trick room real good?
ember linden
Erm what kills trick room real good?
Which variant?
fathom geyser
Yes
ember linden
Stop trolling 
fathom geyser
I'm serious lmao
ember linden
Give me a tr team then😭
fathom geyser
I'm trying to build a team around sneasler, I just need something that mauls trick room.
ember linden
Gimme the paste
fathom geyser
There is none rn I can slap one together with the stuff I had in mind so far
ember linden
Alright
Having a mon with tr able to reverse opposing tr is good into most it not all tr teams
ember linden
What do you want your Rillaboom to accomplish?
fathom geyser
Grassy terrain + fake out
ember linden
Anything else? Damage, bulk?
ember linden
I wouldn’t go tera water rilla
fathom geyser
What do you recommend instead?
ember linden
Fire or Poison
ember linden
Wood Hammer over u-turn on rilla
Wood hammer, grassy glide, and fake-out are must haves
Fourth is up in the air
molten oasis
Agreed
ember linden
The better options for fourth slot are high-horsepower, and u-turn
ember linden
Sure
fathom geyser
Hisuian arcanine?
ember linden
Yes
fathom geyser
Never played that thing before what's the moveset you recommend?
ember linden
What do you want harc to do?
ember linden
Then you’d go tera fairy, choice band, flare blitz, rock slide, extreme speed, and tera blast 252 adamant 252 speed 4 def
fathom geyser
I can't come up with much more yeah lmao
Is it good against the prankster tailwind machine?
molten oasis
Then you’d go tera fairy, choice band, flare blitz, rock slide, extreme speed, a...
I would actually do 68 hp, 252 att, 180 spE
ember linden
Is it good against the prankster tailwind machine?
Torn?
fathom geyser
Yes
molten oasis
Nah speed
ember linden
What does that live
molten oasis
It’s general bulk
fathom geyser
I am not too comfortable using choice items.
ember linden
Go flare blitz, rock slide, willow wisp, and protect then with sitrus tera fairy
molten oasis
It only needs that speed
ember linden
Either that or you just deal with it and learn
molten oasis
Harc really only needs to out-speed max speed adamant dnite usually
Outspeeding shifu isn’t like, a must
ember linden
I just like mine to go 252 to outspeed everything else under harc’s 252 speed
fathom geyser
Go flare blitz, rock slide, willow wisp, and protect then with sitrus tera fairy
Imma just try this for now
ember linden
I don’t think putting bulk into harc is that good bc of how much recoil you take
A lot of the time you just wanna throw fb at them, and harc isn’t taking too much anyway
ember linden
Ghost tera is also a must have on bundle
I wouldn’t run 252 252 4 on any flutter set that isn’t sash
fallen garden
Will Trick Room Dialga be any good? Has it been good historically? (like is it worth catching looking for a slow dialga now)
ember linden
Will Trick Room Dialga be any good? Has it been good historically? (like is it w...
I wouldn’t worry about that till restricted format
fallen garden
but they prolly won't be running Dialga events at that point
ember linden
Still don’t worry about it, idk what that has to do with anything
autumn vault
bear that strikes fast, towel x5, fire fish all are toxic meta
fallen garden
when they finally do run a restricted format, I don't want to have to grind to find a 0speed dialga again
ember linden
bear that strikes fast, towel x5, fire fish all are toxic meta
What is towel x5 lol
fallen garden
but only if 0speed dialga is good
autumn vault
What is towel x5 lol
flutter mane
ember linden
flutter mane
Interesting
ember linden
So is non toxic meta just series 1 to you Zekrom?
ember linden
Yw
It lives 252 adamant crash from pao
That’s all I personally want to live on flutter
fathom geyser
Alright
autumn vault
So is non toxic meta just series 1 to you Zekrom?
i just want to ddance sweep
ember linden
If ddance sweep becomes meta and it is all ddance sweeper teams would that be unhealthy meta?
autumn vault
yes, buts its zekrom, i'll allow it
ember linden
Then your point needs to be revised
autumn vault
So you were joking about toxic meta?
With the three i mentioned, urshifu fluyter and chi yu no, with ddance yes i was joking, i stan zekrom, but not that much
Him being meta is a dream, being toxic meta is not my dream
ember linden
I’d still like to hear your point towards flutter and chi-yu being toxic meta
autumn vault
I’d still like to hear your point towards flutter and chi-yu being toxic meta
Flutter made like half of the pokemon in regulation A unviable, chi yu just dragged along with it
ember linden
Power creep will always exist
autumn vault
Power creep is insane
ember linden
You can never buff all pokemon and have them all be equal you know
autumn vault
You can never buff all pokemon and have them all be equal you know
True, but you dont need to make the newer ones so unbelievably busted
ember linden
TPC does that to refresh ppl from the older pokemon
autumn vault
But the power crepted ones are too bad for comp
Plus they are ugly, a lot of them
Annihilape is amazing
ember linden
Still.
autumn vault
I see your point, i respect it but i have my own opinion
ember linden
Likewise
autumn vault
I think as an idea make all regulations available at the same time so people can play them again wih their competitively trained pokemon to not go to waste, most would probably be dead but atleast we have access to healthier metas with not bear and flutter
Or just ban them
ember linden
They would never do that lol
autumn vault
I wish they did
ember linden
They might ban them tho
autumn vault
If they get out of hand, maybe but i doubt it with no action taken at zacian, eleki, shadow rider calyrex in gen 8
ember linden
They were nerfed in thr next generation tho
autumn vault
What i always wanted to say, ban the super ultra toxic pokemon, not take action after the damage had been done
And sv is not THAT good, its a great game but far from PLA, b2w2, platinum, hgss
Even in balancing terms
ember linden
I agree with banning Urshi and Zac fs
fathom geyser
Is heatran still usable?
autumn vault
I have to go anyways, pretty late where i live, its 23 pm
autumn vault
Is heatran still usable?
Yes, it still is
fathom geyser
I never really understood the niche heatran fills despite using it before lmao
autumn vault
I never really understood the niche heatran fills despite using it before lmao
Its very bulky, hits hard, has decent coverage, will o wisp, great typing and decent ability, it still is a great
Pokemon
fallen rivet
The physical attackers of gen 9 vgc c. 12/14/2023
fathom geyser
They'll just buff it again
fallen rivet
It would be pretty funny
fathom geyser
I already know that they will buff it again
I wonder if the bikes will actually see some usage, I don't know their stats but doesn't sword dog just make both unusable?
Especially koraidon, ignoring the fact that groudon just does it better.
bold geode
<:khujabop:1169349388892655656>
pings Seal "ZEUS! FACE ME YOU COWARD!!"
bold geode
The physical attackers of gen 9 vgc c. 12/14/2023
Hehe monkey
fallen rivet
Alternatively:
fallen rivet
I wonder if the bikes will actually see some usage, I don't know their stats but...
Miraidon serves as a counter to Kyogre at the bare minimum so it’ll for sure have a niche
fathom geyser
Alternatively:
Sad to know that fluttermane will become unusable, I like the silly thing.
fallen rivet
Eh we’ll see
fathom geyser
Miraidon serves as a counter to Kyogre at the bare minimum so it’ll for sure hav...
Probably yeah
With gf's track history they'll buff the sword dog too
fallen rivet
Nah they’ve already nerfed it
Also: 252 SpA Hadron Engine Miraidon Overheat vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Zacian-Crowned: 180-214 (107.7 - 128.1%) -- guaranteed OHKO
molten oasis
Also: 252 SpA Hadron Engine Miraidon Overheat vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Zacian-Crowned: 1...
I forgot Mirai gets overheat
molten oasis
Sad to know that fluttermane will become unusable, I like the silly thing.
Nah
Mane will still be very good
It just, blows up easily, but it also blows things up easily
Korai flutter sounds like it’ll be good
fathom geyser
Does koraidon overwrite drizzle?
charred saddle
miraidon alolan raichu
molten oasis
No
charred saddle
Does koraidon overwrite drizzle?
depends on speed tiering
fathom geyser
Then why give it's ability a special name?
fallen rivet
Because it also acts like protosynthesis
fathom geyser
Actually why do reshiram and zekrom get a special name to their ability
fathom geyser
Because it also acts like protosynthesis
I didn't know that
fallen rivet
Actually why do reshiram and zekrom get a special name to their ability
Mold breaker doesn’t override them
I think idk
fathom geyser
It's just mold breaker with spice
molten oasis
I think korai will be the better sun setter personally between groudon and korai
It’s not gonna miss important kos when it matters
And resisting kyogre is very nice
raw thistle
molten oasis
Miraidon is gonna be VERY good into kyogre
raw thistle
LMAOOOOOOOOOO
fathom geyser
Thinking about it it does game sense
fathom geyser
Bruh lmao
fallen rivet
I think korai will be the better sun setter personally between groudon and korai
I’m curious if it can do lunaladon things but idk since Groudon was slower
molten oasis
Man tf is happening lol
molten oasis
I’m curious if it can do lunaladon things but idk since Groudon was slower
Prob not since Korai is 135
fallen rivet
Yeah
molten oasis
Can’t wait for THAT speed tie war
fallen rivet
🎉
molten oasis
Pao Mirai Korai and Mane are all 135
raw thistle
Fr
molten oasis
Like tf were they thinking
raw thistle
Koraidon and Miraidon effectively having 196 attack/spatk under sun/terrain is funny tho
fallen rivet
Like tf were they thinking
“Hehe fast meta mons go brrr”
molten oasis
Frfr
nocturne holly
Can’t wait for THAT speed tie war
wbt mirai
that speed ties gonna be fucking scary
molten oasis
I said Mirai read the chat lmao
fathom geyser
Let's just wait and see if the tera turtle will be broken
nocturne holly
go home now that you’ve corrected me
fallen rivet
Well at least we won’t have to worry about it at first
molten oasis
Let's just wait and see if the tera turtle will be broken
Ogerpon was very good, odds are terapagos is broken
raw thistle
Let's just wait and see if the tera turtle will be broken
I hope it's mad strong
molten oasis
I’m just counting on it at this point
nocturne holly
drago what are you cooking
raw thistle
Like mray level for no reason
nocturne holly
I’m done for this reg
raw thistle
I hope xerneas doesn’t come back
Xerneas unironically AG worthy in SV
fathom geyser
I think it looks silly so they're going to make it the goat for sure
molten oasis
The meta literally revolves around xern if it exists
molten oasis
Xerneas unironically AG worthy in SV
Sorry AG?
raw thistle
Mray tier, ig im the only showdown player here lmao
fathom geyser
I pushed away the fact that xerneas existed 
molten oasis
Oh I’m talking about vgc mostly
molten oasis
Well if xern comes back the meta is fucked
nocturne holly
vgc meta best meta
fathom geyser
As long as xern isn't real it can't hurt me
molten oasis
I’m pretty sure av heatran gets 2hko’d by it
nocturne holly
I’m pretty sure av heatran gets 2hko’d by it
With what?
raw thistle
Doubt
molten oasis
A QUAD RESIST
molten oasis
With what?
Moonblast after Geomancy
nocturne holly
no way it gets 2hkoed with quad resist with av
raw thistle
+2 moonblast definitely does not 2hko av heatran
nocturne holly
highly doubtful
raw thistle
+2 252+ SpA Xerneas Thunder vs. 252 HP / 4 SpD Assault Vest Heatran: 168-198 (43.5 - 51.2%) -- 8.2% chance to 2HKO
AYO WHAT LMAO
THATS INVESTED TOO
fallen rivet
Tera ground xerneas
fathom geyser
I really don't like the sword dog but the fact that it mauls xerneas is it's only redeeming quality about it for me.
molten oasis
YEA I FUCKING TOLD YOU
raw thistle
Wait this is thunder
fathom geyser
+2 252+ SpA Xerneas Thunder vs. 252 HP / 4 SpD Assault Vest Heatran: 168-198 (43...
Yikes
molten oasis
I really don't like the sword dog but the fact that it mauls xerneas is it's onl...
Tera…
raw thistle
Ok makes more sense
nocturne holly
+2 252+ SpA Xerneas Thunder vs. 252 HP / 4 SpD Assault Vest Heatran: 168-198 (43...
that’s thunder tho
molten oasis
Oh it is thunder lol
raw thistle
Yeah i just realized
nocturne holly
YOU FUCKING IDIOTS
raw thistle
Lmao
fallen rivet
Y’know maybe it’s a good thing the kalos legendaries haven’t been confirmed yet
nocturne holly
MAKE ME YOUR FUCKING KING
molten oasis
Maybe not, someone told me that ig I was wrong
fallen rivet
Wut
molten oasis
Anyway
ember linden
What did I miss💀💀
don't be silly, the average xern spammer doesn't think of that
molten oasis
Zac is not gonna be NEARLY as busted as it was in swsh
It’s stats are nutty don’t get me wrong but it’s not always +1
fallen rivet
What did I miss💀💀
Incineroar returning spiraled a fearful speculation into what else could be meta threats
nocturne holly
Zac won’t be that meta defining
nocturne holly
yea
fathom geyser
Zac won’t be that meta defining
Alright but what about cody?
ember linden
Y’all don’t think Zac will be meta🤦♂️
molten oasis
Y’all don’t think Zac will be meta🤦♂️
It won’t, if xern comes back
If it doesn’t we will see if it becomes meta
nocturne holly
+2 252+ SpA Xerneas Thunder vs. 252 HP / 4 SpD Assault Vest Heatran: 168-198 (43...
if Thunder does that much doubt quad resist is a 2kho
raw thistle
Its not
ember linden
Oh shit xern
nocturne holly
Alright but what about cody?
Cody?
raw thistle
Its a 4hko against invested
molten oasis
I think swords dance Zac has potential
I don’t think it ran it in the past much because of it just always being +1
fathom geyser
I am still perplexed as to why they gave that thing sd
fallen rivet
I’m personally hoping the less meta defining legends coming back get buffs
Shake things up a bit
fathom geyser
The sword move is gonna do double damage against tera instead of Dyna
molten oasis
Btw
fathom geyser
It's so done for
nocturne holly
I am still perplexed as to why they gave that thing sd
I think because it’s a sword dog
molten oasis
Lando has swords dance
nocturne holly
yea
fallen rivet
It sure does
nocturne holly
what was it in swsh
molten oasis
Oh wait flutter DESPISES zacian that’s hilarious
raw thistle
170
fathom geyser
I forgor lando for a sec
nocturne holly
tf were they thinking with 170 atk and intrepid sword
fathom geyser
Oh wait flutter DESPISES zacian that’s hilarious
That's what I've been thinking earlier
molten oasis
However Zac doesn’t like chi yu
raw thistle
Btw zacian's bulk is disgusting
nocturne holly
it basically can’t get intimidated
raw thistle
It lives eq from neuroforce unec
raw thistle
If its unboosted
molten oasis
Oh yea 115 in both defense stats is fucking wild
fathom geyser
Chinyu gets mauled hard by kyogre
dapper crag
SableyeBot version 4.24.4
molten oasis
Oh yea zacogre will probably be fairly strong
Like, miraidon doesn’t want to take play rough from Zac
fathom geyser
Yes
molten oasis
And Zac is naturally faster than it
(And literally most of the meta except for caly)
fathom geyser
But what about the overdrive boost thing?
fallen rivet
Basically this meta boils down to: is it faster????
fathom geyser
Basically this meta boils down to: is it faster????
Always has
molten oasis
But what about the overdrive boost thing?
If Mirai does speed, it still doesn’t want to take play rough
fathom geyser
Very true
raw thistle
Miraidon does not outspeed zacian
molten oasis
If it does special attach bye miraidon
molten oasis
Miraidon does not outspeed zacian
We’re talking about quark drive procced
raw thistle
Wdym
fathom geyser
I'm gonna ignore the fear mongering for a bit
fathom geyser
https://pokepast.es/14738de55624861e
Chien pao yes?
raw thistle
You cant get a speed boost from hadron engine
dapper crag
SableyeBot version 4.24.4
molten oasis
Oh it’s not quark drive
fathom geyser
Whyyyy
molten oasis
Nvm Mirai is fucked by zacian LMAO
fathom geyser
They did my boy dirty bruh
raw thistle
252 SpA Hadron Engine Miraidon Electro Drift vs. 0 HP / 4 SpD Zacian-Crowned in Electric Terrain: 258-304 (79.3 - 93.5%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
This may be a problem...
molten oasis
Electro drift is gonna feel like mane specs moonblast
Just murders fucking everything
raw thistle
Electro drift is stronger than specs mane moonblast
molten oasis
Ik ik
raw thistle
130 BP with 1.333x spatk boost is superior to 95 BP with 1.5x spatk boost
molten oasis
It’s just an example I’m making
raw thistle
Oh yeah
nocturne holly
W/o the SE boost?
raw thistle
Mirai can also run specs btw
molten oasis
Mhmm
raw thistle
W/o the SE boost?
100 * 1.3 from terrain
molten oasis
I think specs sets are likely to happen
nocturne holly
100 * 1.3 from terrain
Damn you also get the SE boost
dapper crag
SableyeBot version 4.24.4
nocturne holly
It has decent bulk too
raw thistle
Might as well just be 1 million
molten oasis
Yea Mirai is broken but also, we’ll have to see what we do against it
Id rather fight miraidon than fight xerneas
raw thistle
252 SpA Choice Specs Hadron Engine Miraidon Electro Drift (133.3251953125 BP) vs. 4 HP / 252+ SpD Tera Water Blissey in Electric Terrain: 678-798 (103.9 - 122.3%) -- guaranteed OHKO
NOTHING lives a supereffective specs electro drift.
molten oasis
That makes sense
nocturne holly
252 SpA Choice Specs Hadron Engine Miraidon Electro Drift (133.3251953125 BP) vs...
literally armadeedee on steroids
keen karma
vc anyone?
keen karma
Id rather fight miraidon than fight xerneas
you dont know yet bro...
raw thistle
Id rather fight miraidon than fight xerneas
One time someone called me a hacker in showdown chat for ohkoing with a resisted hit
I had +2 xerneas moonblast and their resist was KARTANA
Lmao!
fathom geyser
Is lash out on chien pao a good idea or nah?
raw thistle
Prob not because crunch exists
nocturne holly
Is lash out on chien pao a good idea or nah?
It’s been used to success before
it’s a niche pick imo
molten oasis
I had +2 xerneas moonblast and their resist was KARTANA
No wonder it ohkoed lmao
fathom geyser
Prob not because crunch exists
Intimidate runs rampant
raw thistle
No wonder it ohkoed lmao
It does 200%+ lmao
raw thistle
Sucker those flutter manes?
molten oasis
Yea, or bundle, or if you get stuck fighting opposing tw
raw thistle
Fair lol
fathom geyser
I'll try lash out for a bit
Nvm I can just run ability shield since sash is on bundle
molten oasis
@nocturne holly https://pokepast.es/e84eea72572af103 this is what im playing with rn. I hit 1600 on bo1 ladder with it
keen karma
I’m burnt out
welcome to the party
im filling out kita dex rn to prepare for next format
keen karma
do it in call
molten oasis
I’m playing unite
molten oasis
I’m kinda burnt out too I just wanted to get something to play ladder in
So I’m gonna build this, play ladder, and then break
nocturne holly
do it in call
can’t
nocturne holly
you can like transfer in mons from home and it makes it go by alot faster
shit you’re right
the dex gets updated automatically right
looking through boxes is gonna be hell tho
nocturne holly
but I won’t know what I need
keen karma
serebii