I usually fake out the torkoal so my other mon doesn't die t1 with it
#competitive_discussion
bright spire
molten oasis
Rillaboom is good into psyspam
Tera grass heatran and rilla would be really good for that
knotty mirage
What item should heatran hold tho
The problem is after the torkoal fainted i need too worry about the armarouge psyspam
molten oasis
What item should heatran hold tho
Leftovers
molten oasis
The problem is after the torkoal fainted i need too worry about the armarouge ps...
Heatran rilla is good there too
lofty tartan
Dark mons are also good into psyspam, usually
molten oasis
Roaring moon, Ttar ig
bright spire
Cien pao
mighty stump
Chien Pao doesnt like eating Heat Wave
mighty stump
What item should heatran hold tho
Lefties, AV, Life Orb are all valid items
Goggles if you dont want to commit Tera for Lillikoal MUs
next stump
50 minutes until trailer 
short nebula
where is the trailer gonna be streamed?
mellow barn
Good question, I am just searching the trailer 
short nebula
its up
knotty mirage
Lefties, AV, Life Orb are all valid items
Lefties and AV already been used by the other mon on the team i guess i will go for life orb then
short nebula
free shiny!
keen karma
tell me why i keep seeing ogerpon in the trailer
if it doesnt have lore during the dlc then idk what they're on
keen karma
free shiny!
what is the ot
keen karma
What is that moveset
ik its broken
dull ibex
Did yall see the trailer
molten oasis
What a trailer
dull ibex
Yea?
short nebula
they didnt show any new mons đŚ
molten oasis
Weâre still in the dark
keen karma
you need pangoro to even get bullet punch on there
keen karma
0 information good for comp
uhh i dont think they will focus on comp in the trailer
like under any scenario
molten oasis
We, k
keen karma
bro
dull ibex
Indigo disk might just not have come changes
molten oasis
I was hoping for something about the new Tera type
keen karma
they gotta make those double battles like the stockfish of pokemon
i would love practice like that
molten oasis
And seeing the paradox entei and terakkion
keen karma
i mean its not confirmed
molten oasis
Why wouldnât they do that?
dull ibex
So the legendaries are just static encounters?
molten oasis
So the legendaries are just static encounters?
Yes
short nebula
what is the ot
your OT
keen karma
So the legendaries are just static encounters?
they dont seem to be shiny huntable
short nebula
cherish ball lucario
dull ibex
That is a nice change
short nebula
LFGGG
dull ibex
The shinies and stuff is cool
short nebula
keen karma
So we can get shiny spec
im more focused on shiny shifu
dull ibex
Dlc 2 looks not worth it
keen karma
lets go smeargle is back
molten oasis
That shiny sucks
molten oasis
Dlc 2 looks not worth it
Theyâre also keeping everything in the dark for the most part
Related to comp players
keen karma
That shiny sucks
you've lost it
short nebula
lets go smeargle is back
why smeargle?
molten oasis
you've lost it
Wow his hands are red
keen karma
and his mouth
molten oasis
Thatâs such a big difference
molten oasis
This is way better
short nebula
https://play.pokemonshowdown.com/sprites/ani-shiny/spectrier.gif
woah
dull ibex
Yeah I'm not buying it until I knew what comp changed tbh
short nebula
hope that is available in dlc
keen karma
https://play.pokemonshowdown.com/sprites/ani-shiny/glastrier.gif
this is so much better
and we get zacian/zamazenta shinies now
dull ibex
Also not gonna feature comp in a trailer is such copiun
molten oasis
this is so much better
How is that better?
dull ibex
Tpci had a comp trailer SV
molten oasis
Heâs the same colors except for the hands and mouth
dull ibex
That's where we learned about hyper training and cloak iirc
It's like pokemon doesn't care about comp at all
dull ibex
There main profit is from merchandise
keen karma
thats what most companies do
dull ibex
If we use that line of thinking I can say they don't care about the games at all
keen karma
comp scene and games are completely different things
most games dont care about comp but rather care about the mass population in this case it is the actual game itself
dull ibex
mighty stump
Red
dull ibex
You were saying?
molten oasis
I was hoping for something about the Tera and the paradox entei and terakkion, and the Dipplin evo maybe
keen karma
https://youtu.be/O6zFq5nd0tU?si=gJBQa698j-hQENQ3 đľ
cool they threw us a bone
mighty stump
Its only cause we have had a boom in SV
dull ibex
I think they could have shown a bit more tofu
mighty stump
Plus weâre a week away anyways
dull ibex
But it's whatever I'll get it when I have the funds
placid thorn
I just hope we get the rusty caps
dull ibex
A doubles focused dlc is great for vgc regardless
keen karma
my only problem is that they showed ogerpon which i doubt is gonna have a heavy impact on the lore
dull ibex
Indigo mask can be a gateway
keen karma
I just hope we get the rusty caps
saMe
dull ibex
They showed ogerpon because it's a general dlc trailer
keen karma
but probably not happening
molten oasis
Yeaaa, I doubt thatâs happening
keen karma
wait milcery outbreak
placid thorn
but probably not happening
Yea i know but i just don't know why
mighty stump
Indigo mask can be a gateway
Oh god
dull ibex
Oh?
keen karma
They showed ogerpon because it's a general dlc trailer
Get Ready for Your Trip to Blueberry Academy!
mighty stump
Praying Blueberry Academy kicks the ass of casual players so they have to actually listen to me
kekw
molten oasis
Fr
dull ibex
Praying Blueberry Academy kicks the ass of casual players so they have to actual...
Good luck 
mighty stump
Nice favourites eat dirt
keen karma
Praying Blueberry Academy kicks the ass of casual players so they have to actual...
im hoping the battles have like super crazy ai's or something that like have ev trained teams n stuff
mighty stump
im hoping the battles have like super crazy ai's or something that like have ev ...
Same
keen karma
like stockfish for chess
molten oasis
That be fun
mighty stump
I would be very happy
keen karma
but i doubt that
dull ibex
I just hope new players will get into the game so comp gets big and bigger
keen karma
because it would be too hard for the average player
mighty stump
because it would be too hard for the average player
Good
Gaslight Gatekeep Girlboss
molten oasis
They have to get some things for comp done in the next dlc for people to want to play comp
dull ibex
because it would be too hard for the average player
Good
molten oasis
And accept the sacrifices of it
dull ibex
Give me a challenge damnit!
molten oasis
(As in not using your favorites)
keen karma
They have to get some things for comp done in the next dlc for people to want to...
they have no obligation to do that unfortunately
molten oasis
Yep
knotty mirage
I think just use psyspam should work for the DLC
dull ibex
I kinda hope they don't
keen karma
i really wish they would just use dlc's to bring all mons back
like all mons from previous games
dull ibex
Makes it easier to ignore the dlc
knotty mirage
It work really well on ranked so why not on main games
molten oasis
Makes it easier to ignore the dlc
Youâre just mad you canât buy it
dull ibex
I mean I could
keen karma
then do it
dull ibex
I'm actively choosing something else
keen karma
you're missing out on a great story
dull ibex
No đ
mellow barn
I do hope since they are introducing BP in the DLC we can have a change to gather that other ways like the Battle Tower đ¤
molten oasis
Ehhhh i wouldnât say the story is worth paying $30 atm
karmic temple
Yo darkrai code and palkia and dialga raids letâs gooooo
The trailer was cute im hyped as hell
dull ibex
I'm going to be getting online expansion pack over dlc tbh
molten oasis
So they had one of the z move poses in a part of the trailer, I hope that doesnât mean anything 
dull ibex
Drago bruh come on
mellow barn
molten oasis
Hey you never know
keen karma
So they had one of the z move poses in a part of the trailer, I hope that doesnâ...
i hope that does
molten oasis
They brought megas back
keen karma
z moves coming back would be amazing
molten oasis
Itâs not unheard of for them to bring a gimmick back
dull ibex
No they didnt?
keen karma
No they didnt?
last gen???
dull ibex
Megas have been gone since Gen 7
molten oasis
Gen 7 had megas, mostly cuz of ORAS
mellow barn
Sure bring Mega's, Dynamax/Gigantamax, Z-moves etc.
karmic temple
Oras and usum I think ?
molten oasis
:/
dull ibex
They didn't randomly bring back Megas mid gen
molten oasis
How tf was I supposed to know that
dull ibex
No its not happening.
Hop reused all hau animations I wonder if that means anything đ¤
keen karma
They didn't randomly bring back Megas mid gen
i mean its a possibility
dull ibex
No its not
molten oasis
ok well I donât know anything that wasnât even supposed to be legit
keen karma
im getting my fairy sandwich ready for shiny milcery
dull ibex
Maybe MAYBE a single player focused remake with no comp relevance could get megas then comp gets them back in generation 10
There is a 0% chance sv is getting a new gimmick
keen karma
Maybe MAYBE a single player focused remake with no comp relevance could get mega...
you have too high hopes of them returning man
dull ibex
What?
mellow barn
I mean... let's go games had megas đ¤
dull ibex
Are you talking about
dull ibex
I mean... let's go games had megas đ¤
Did they have megas?
mellow barn
Yeah
dull ibex
Like a said single player no comp relevance
If swsh or sv was going to have them they would have
Ya know
mighty stump
(As in not using your favorites)
I genuinely sont mind if people are going to accept all facets and information
fallen rivet
mellow barn
I know, probably limitation for coding etc. 
That's why we never get National Dex
keen karma
Like a said single player no comp relevance
well i mean you get a broken eevee to transfer to sv
dull ibex
????
keen karma
/j
keen karma
I know, probably limitation for coding etc. <:MonikaShrug:935592717688381471>
T...
BS
they just dont want to bring all the mons back
dull ibex
I like dexit
keen karma
there is no way pokemon couldn't bypass something like that due to a limitation of coding
molten oasis
Iâm good not dealing with shedinja this gen thanks
keen karma
Iâm good not dealing with shedinja this gen thanks
what's wrong with it though
its such a balanced mon
dull ibex
No weaknesses if tera
molten oasis
With fucking Tera no
mellow barn
they just dont want to bring all the mons back
Perhaps, we don't know. Perhaps that change in the future.
For now, just enjoy what we got for now
molten oasis
Tera electric air balloon
fallen rivet
The toxic in my back pocket:
molten oasis
You canât touch it without a status move or sand
dull ibex
Tera electric goggles
molten oasis
Tera electric goggles
Then itâs weak to ground
keen karma
Tera electric air balloon
that doesnt even sound that bad
molten oasis
Sure, anyway
keen karma
thats nothing more than a gimmick
mighty stump
Hot Take: Dexit is good and healthy for new gens competitive
molten oasis
Still would be annoying
dull ibex
Early formats shedinja would be a menace
keen karma
dexit???
dull ibex
Hot Take: Dexit is good and healthy for new gens competitive
Plus makes the dex in general more accessible
Completing it
mellow barn
Hot Take: Dexit is good and healthy for new gens competitive
This âď¸
keen karma
what shedninja needs is sturdy as a hidden ability
dull ibex
How to make shedinja even worse:
keen karma
safety goggles
molten oasis
what shedninja needs is sturdy as a hidden ability
No
dull ibex
Buff FEAR
mighty stump
safety goggles
Lemme just goggles Wisp dw
keen karma
Lemme just goggles Wisp dw
flash fire
mellow barn
How...?
mighty stump
đ
molten oasis
Thatâs not how that works
mellow barn
keen karma
Ok so no sturdy
no a flash fire mon
dull ibex
.....
mighty stump
đ
dull ibex
It still hits shedinja.
molten oasis
That doesnât prevent it from being wisped
molten oasis
None of them do that
dull ibex
â˘Wispâ˘
Ha jokes you, primordial sea bitch
(Kyogre doesn't effect fire status yeah?)
keen karma
as one shedninja magic guard + sturdy
molten oasis
Stop cooking
dull ibex
sand
wisp
keen karma
magic guard
molten oasis
sand
dapper crag
SableyeBot version 4.24.4
molten oasis
Oh bruh
mellow barn
How can it hold two abilities then? đ¤
keen karma
something like as one
molten oasis
Letâs not giga buff shedinja thanks
mellow barn
Yeah not gonna work
dull ibex
OK yall it's a shitpost
mellow barn
I wonder if Gyarados would be viable in trick room team? đ¤
It has broad moveset, yet suffers for lack of stab moves other than Waterfall
keen karma
why would they give lucario a higher spa stat than atk stat
smoky hawk
Thinking to try salamence as a tw setter
next stump
cool trailer
a bit bummed that you canât catch stuff like lando/torn/etc. seemingly, but always room to do future events and stuff
keen karma
a bit bummed that you canât catch stuff like lando/torn/etc. seemingly, but alwa...
wait wdym
next stump
they didnât show landorus in the legendary pokemon to catch right?
pretty sure itâs a limited list
smoky hawk
Was there a new trailer?
next stump
yes,
smoky hawk
I may be out of the loop
keen karma
they didnât show landorus in the legendary pokemon to catch right?
i imagine there is a different way because just finding them in the wild would be weird ig
mighty stump
5*
karmic temple
Ggez
mighty stump
Bout to click Tera Fairy Flutter Mane its fine
keen karma
iron bundle i imagine would be super good on pakkia
mighty stump
đ
mighty stump
iron bundle i imagine would be super good on pakkia
Just slap AV and you live freeze dry ez
Same with Wake
Bundle is simultaneously strong and weak is so sadge
mighty stump
âŚright let me know how that goes
keen karma
âŚright let me know how that goes
https://pokepast.es/1ea8f9eebf36cd79 this is the team i thought up but ultimately i wasted my time since dlc is like 7 days away
mighty stump
If I am being particularly honest iâd encourage everyone to just wait for DLC to drop
I donât want to review teams that are up in the air
mighty stump
I cannot in good faith advise what I donât know about lol
mighty stump
Oh
keen karma
its a roaring weezing team
mighty stump
I mean the format is still until December so
I already prefer regular Weezing
Like ik its that team
ehh
Idk how I feel about offensive Moon mixed with defensive tera on a Weezing team
keen karma
oh what is it normally run on then?
mighty stump
Breaking Swipe/Knock Off/Tailwind
willow vault
mighty stump
Cause you want to try and Taunt Tornadusâ
willow vault
Thoughts?
mighty stump
I donât want to review teams that are up in the air
.
willow vault
oh my bad
willow vault
I did not see the message
mighty stump
I just donât want to give wrong advice
keen karma
i just need this dlc to come out
autumn vault
Why is ogerpon wellspring super common? Hearthflame is better but the only valid reason is wellspring counters urshitfu rapid but thats it
willow vault
Itâs just a little better defensively, it has a better defensive ability and when it teras the spd gain is really nice with water being a great defensive typing. Either wellspring or hearthflame can work really well it just depends what you need them to do
next stump
Why is ogerpon wellspring super common? Hearthflame is better but the only valid...
good intro Heatran, great redirection user, good pivot for teams
also yes, Urshifu-R answer is the biggest reason
when you pretty hard counter the best pokemon in the format, youâre going to be used a lot
willow vault
Urshifu-R is crazy strong so having a good counter is needed
fierce scarab
I bought both versions of the game so i get access to all version exclusives, but at the same time i havent played violet at all lmao
I should really start playing violet to be able to get thru the game
lofty tartan
Probably a good idea
fierce scarab
Oh my god i didnt know that emoji existed, that is great
autumn vault
I use tornadus with sunny day to ruin urhsifu R players
lofty tartan
So they click Rain Dance đ
autumn vault
Prankster sunny day guarantees the bear wont outspeed torn
lofty tartan
And you get a weather back and forth while they sneak hits with Urshifu
fierce scarab
Yall know the huge power belly drum azuremarill?
lofty tartan
Prankster sunny day guarantees the bear wont outspeed torn
They use Rain Dance on Torn lol
fierce scarab
I feel like it would be good for the palkia raid but not the dialga raid
autumn vault
They use Rain Dance on Torn lol
Guess i am anti meta guy
next stump
theyâre both 5 star only so youâll one shot them both with +6 azu
lofty tartan
Torn + Urshifu is a really strong really common core, and often comes with Rain Dance. Sunny Day alone won't stop the bear
autumn vault
Azu for palkia and shiny lucario for dialga
fierce scarab
Funnily enough i can use the same azuremarill for both raids
autumn vault
Torn + Urshifu is a really strong really common core, and often comes with Rain ...
Sunny day does hurt urshifu rapid strike
lofty tartan
I didn't say it doesn't hurt it, I said it alone doesn't stop it
fierce scarab
Yeah rapid strike urshifu's sig move is a water type move
autumn vault
Torn with towel and fire mask cutesipie
lofty tartan
And it doesn't, because those common teams literally turn off Sunny Day, with Prankster.. so you need to call when they're using Rain Dance and outspeed them with Prankster
mighty stump
Yeah its a bit of a non-guaranteed way to make things work
lofty tartan
^^^^
autumn vault
It helps ok
mighty stump
cause its up in the air of which torn goes
Yeah it helps but its not a guarantees/high consistency method
whoch is like
the business weâre in
im not disagreeing here
autumn vault
Half my team is tera water for that bear
Might need one to switch to becoming the grass
Or something that resists water
mighty stump
Yeah its best to have like
either one strong way to remove
or two natural resists
recommend at least
mellow barn
Tomorrow I get my Hori turbo controller. I can focus on exams while game plays itself 
mighty stump
All the best for your exams
autumn vault
Tomorrow I get my Hori turbo controller. I can focus on exams while game plays i...
This chat is for comp, not for life
mellow barn
All the best for your exams
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gentle cragBOT
Thanks, AD DS, DNS, DHCP, Group Policy etc <:PikaLmao:678990785500413962>
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mighty stump
Thanks, AD DS, DNS, DHCP, Group Policy etc <:PikaLmao:678990785500413962>
I will pretend I know what that means
âYes, I seeâ
mighty stump
âŚWhatâs a computer
mellow barn
lofty tartan
I'm a computer
bold geode
âŚWhatâs a computer
Things you go to Google on and find a bot
Basically you're a computer cuz you're a Google bot
mighty stump
Things you go to Google on and find a bot
Basically you're a computer cuz you're...
Whats a Google
bold geode
You
keen karma
<@817628066020065280> look i have a snazzy new role
same
keen karma
Whats a Google
i think he meant bing
mighty stump
Whats a Bing
bold geode
Whats a Bing
You
mighty stump
Whats a You
bold geode
Soulja Boy
bright spire
<@817628066020065280> look i have a snazzy new role
mighty stump
Lets not start
chrome knot
i not i just laughing
bold geode
Foot 
keen karma
i not i just laughing
What do you use for raids tho
Because i remember you talking abt soloing
chrome knot
whatever matches an ohko calc
karmic temple
Belly drum hands and azu go brr
dull ibex
hello everyone
bold geode
Goodbye
mighty stump
hello everyone
weegeecee boy
bold geode
mighty stump
chop chop
bold geode
Gimme min
next stump
mighty stump
Neat
nocturne holly
https://pokepast.es/2046b45c8f14852b scarf landot would work over harc right
if i did that would band be worth putting on slaking
nocturne holly
In a sense
wdym mean by in a sense?
mighty stump
wdym mean by in a sense?
The dynamic would definitely alter
But I see no issue with it
mellow barn
So basically in ranked they are usable right?
keen karma
So basically in ranked they are usable right?
Yes
mellow barn
Neat
orchid falcon
would steel tera Necrozma Dusk Mane be good?
since its weaknesses to fire and ground are going to be 1.5x instead of 2x?
chrome knot
@bold geode this girl bad af
bright spire
What are some mons that go well with kingambit ?
charred saddle
turbogambit 
assurance + icy wind from speed bundle
bright spire
Iron borb 
charred saddle
ig also depends on how you wanna play with gambit,
Blackglasses gambit with SD + kowtow sucker protect might want some support of Fakeouts or redirection to set up
AV set dont really care about it i think
bright spire
charred saddle
turbogambit uses LO
thats the 3 set i know, but im most familiar with SD, just remember the 4x weakness and gambit is slow
so yeah, redirection will be very nice
bright spire
What does lo stand for
charred saddle
lifeorb
bright spire
mighty stump
turbogambit uses LO
thats the 3 set i know, but im most familiar with SD, just r...
It can also run AV
charred saddle
ye, ive pointed it out above, but not really familiar with it so i cant say much about it
mighty stump
Low Kick/Iron Head/2 Dark moves
charred saddle
lowkick? 
mighty stump
Low Kick cause its one of your better moves into Hands and the mirror
charred saddle
huh thats funny
mighty stump
Brick Break is an alternative
Low Kick is a prety good move cause the things you're clicking it into is 100+ BP
So
charred saddle
Low Kick/Iron Head/2 Dark moves
so i assume kowtow and sucker last slot?
gentle cragBOT
pertanyaan yang sama untuk anda
abused1 has given 1 Gen Rep to woodtofu
mighty stump
pertanyaan yang sama untuk anda
Bangun, klapar, makan
dull ibex
Heavy Slam
Mane: đĽ
@bold geode
mighty stump
Baru mau tidur lagi nih
charred saddle
sama, td kebangun diajak main mhw wkwk
onyx charm
next stump
didnât even realize that there is a regional this weekend
karmic temple
What regional is this weekend??
next stump
Stuggart over in Europe
mighty stump
Stuttgart gonna be interesting maybe
Wonder if Lando-I will pop up soe more/if Mence will retain relevance
abstract gyro
if a pokemon knows 2 type of protect moves. could you just switch between them? as long as you dont face ursifu?
dull ibex
Wait a new Stuttgart tourney đ
strange fjord
if a pokemon knows 2 type of protect moves. could you just switch between them? ...
Nope, all Protect and similar moves count towards all the usage for failing.
dull ibex
Can't wait for harcanine, samurott to win
abstract gyro
Nope, all Protect and similar moves count towards all the usage for failing.
ah oke so you cant just go banefull bunker and the protect and repeat and get it 100% of the time
abstract gyro
yeah makes sense
strange fjord
Endure is also counted in the protect failing group too
So you can't Toxic and cycle Endure and Protect.
abstract gyro
banefull bunker works the exact same as protect right? plus poison
strange fjord
Yeah.
abstract gyro
So you can't Toxic and cycle Endure and Protect.
yeah saw that and thought it was op. not fun but very op
you cant break banefull bunker with a steel move right?
ripe ember
games in ultra ball are tougher
cyan smelt
Disappointed they didn't show the ultra beasts in the trailer
dapper crag
Disappointed they didn't show the ultra beasts in the trailer
they're not in the game code
you said the same stuff with tapus not too long ago
every Pokemon was coded, everything they showed was known from the OG game code cracked day 1
charred saddle
does discharge hit allies?
bold geode
SĂ
charred saddle
crap
bold geode
What was you thinking
cyan smelt
Just have a telepathy mon or a ground type next to it
charred saddle
https://pokepast.es/c45671db1dee5329
no judging please
its a shit team, and i wanna change the pinc set i think
karmic temple
Youâre wasting evs on raichu
near crag
Hey, is Tera poison Tera blast a good call for urshifu RS?
karmic temple
Nah youâd want surging strikes aqua jet detect and close combat
near crag
The current set is aqua jet, surging strikes, close combat, protect, and mystic water. I could take out protect, and give it a assault vest
karmic temple
No
Urshifu is there to do damage
Save vest for something like iron hands
Or rillaboom
chrome knot
there are varying shifu sets
personally a big fan of choice scarf ss cc uturn aqua jet
charred saddle
30%
dapper crag
SableyeBot version 4.24.4
charred saddle
plates boosts 1.2x according to its typing
dapper crag
SableyeBot version 4.24.4
orchid falcon
k thx
nocturne holly
https://pokepast.es/4033953d0f8b1136 this is what Iâm cooking with
nocturne holly
personally a big fan of choice scarf ss cc uturn aqua jet
scarfshifu best shifu đ
chrome knot
its so fun to play lmao
smoky hawk
Reg F starts Jan 4 and the Portland regional is on Jan 5
Portland won't use Reg F, will it?
Would be very short notice
Because I'll be going there
chrome knot
you have like half a month to prep
smoky hawk
you have like half a month to prep
Uhh Reg F uses the pokemon from the new DLC
Well sure, there would be some time to prep. But to prep, we need an answer to that question
smoky hawk
https://victoryroadvgc.com/2024-portland/
Thanks buddy
gentle cragBOT
Thanks buddy
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chrome knot
Uhh Reg F uses the pokemon from the new DLC
yes
quartz monolith
So I was getting silly and got mixed half way through. Went from making Hatterene Trick Room to Snow Trick Room
https://pokepast.es/fb0ec9e903a3ac3f
quartz monolith
chrome knot
team will perish to silly dog
cyan smelt
Team will perish to chi yu flutter
quartz monolith
team will perish to silly dog
I mean I just went up against said dog and counters to Snow, and didn't do anything
chrome knot
ripe ember
So I was getting silly and got mixed half way through. Went from making Hatteren...
nice
getting to master ball is so tough
keen karma
Do teras normally change dramatically between formats?
smoky hawk
https://victoryroadvgc.com/2024-portland/
Yup they are using Reg F...
That'll be rough
chrome knot
showdown will have reg f ladder open
so do your homework when its out
i see no issue
bold geode
<:KG_Giggles:876583016372269056>
chrome knot
what you loon
marble coral
so do your homework when its out
i trust you will start cooking a fire reg f team for us to use in knoxville while im on break after san antonio?
marble coral
goatttt
chrome knot
so we up
cyan smelt
Can't wait to use sheer force feraligatr
cyan smelt
man i suck
mighty stump
What happened?
cyan smelt
nothing, just lost to a flutter mane using tr
mighty stump
Oh yeah, that's happened
cyan smelt
not even imprison
mighty stump
Hard to call as well, it was a korean tech last I remember that's still around
cyan smelt
i should've led lillikoal
every time i see flutter i need to lead lillikoal
but i'm not gonna complain about how people are tryhards anymore
mighty stump
Happens,
Could be worse
I did just run into Endure Armarouge, Minimise Baton Pass Drifblim Dondozo + Scarf Final Gambit Staraptor
In one team
cyan smelt
jesus christ
cyan smelt
is that all the gimmicks in one team
cyan smelt
you can't top explosion eleki next to gholdengo
visual loom
I did just run into Endure Armarouge, Minimise Baton Pass Drifblim Dondozo + Sca...
Baton pass drifblim you say what now 
Endure armarouge is amazing bro was probably laughing at me surging striking my armarouge just for it to one shot everything đŤĄ
mighty stump
Endure armarouge is amazing bro was probably laughing at me surging striking my ...
Meh, I donât really like inconsistent teams
cyan smelt
You can shut down weak armour armarouge with redirection or a dark type
fallen rivet
Is the funni ghost monkey going to be meta in future formats or should I save my vitamins?
cyan smelt
i hate dondozo
silk stream
How much longer would I have to get masterball?
cyan smelt
until the 1st
silk stream
Does the regulation end when the dlc drops
silk stream
until the 1st
Ok cheers.
gentle cragBOT
Ok cheers.
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cyan smelt
reg f starts on jan 4th
silk stream
reg f starts on jan 4th
Neato
cyan smelt
bravado sun definitely struggles against any team with weezing in it
dire vessel
Just hit 2195 đ only 2194 more to go
short nebula
wassup boisss
next stump
good morning
short nebula
oof its 8pm here for me HAHHAH
mighty stump
Is the funni ghost monkey going to be meta in future formats or should I save my...
It could probably be good, has a place
mellow barn
Morning 
mellow barn
I know it will be a week before the DLC comes out, but I was wondering if anyone is interested on checking my ladder team I have thought of?
https://pokepast.es/750049a6b8aac8c5
Any constructive critique and tips are appreciated.
General gameplan, get tailwind up and use beat up to buff Terrakion for Rock Slide
dull ibex
morning
mellow barn
dull ibex
suh
mellow barn
Chilling, before continuing chores
dull ibex
fair
mighty stump
Imma just put it out there that I'm not gonna give out DLC related advice until like, perhaps a week or two after release.
Theres not much I can say
dull ibex
truee
mellow barn
Gotcha, thank you regardless Tofu đ
mighty stump
I can probably at most mention basic sets that I can't speak for
dull ibex
i imagine it will work
mighty stump
Oh, beat up justified
dull ibex
what is the 12 spdef on whim
mighty stump
Mmm, unsure about the Tera Ground on Whimsicott, Terrakion doesn't really need all that much bulk if youre expecting to be boosting much,
mellow barn
Whimsicott has 12 Def not SpDef
Yeah perhaps Whismicott would work better with more defensive Tera
mellow barn
Could shift Terrakion's Atk with HP and bulk đ¤
mighty stump
Most of the time I don't see the sense in doing anything beyond max max if youre going sash
dull ibex
while im awake
whim should probably be cloak if you want investment alongside dark tera like torn
what is hands outspeeding
mellow barn
To be fair I looked EV spreads that were most usual ones
Terrakion @ Life Orb
Ability: Justified
Level: 50
Tera Type: Steel
EVs: 252 HP / 4 Atk / 68 Def / 68 SpD / 116 Spe
Jolly Nature
- Rock Slide
- Close Combat
- Protect
- Poison Jab
Perhaps shift it to bulkier set, gaining power from STAB + Life Orb and potential Justified
cyan smelt
I hope hatterene gets E force back
dull ibex
it will
cyan smelt
Then I'm definitely using it
dull ibex
acnh time POG
short nebula
mighty stump
?
short nebula
https://pokepast.es/7a77af5dbbb0323a
^
dull ibex
pokepaste
nocturne holly
https://pokepast.es/7a77af5dbbb0323a
Bax looks fine on this team
The only thing I would really question would be mienshao
dull ibex
Bax looks fine on this team
The only thing I would really question would be mien...
agreed
short nebula
Bax looks fine on this team
The only thing I would really question would be mien...
really like it tho with the wide guard and fake out
wanna change bax coz i dont seem to use him
dull ibex
its not good enough to justify that slot over hands or rilla boom tbh
keen karma
Do the tera types that mons use change drastically between formats usually?
dull ibex
depends
mighty stump
@short nebula The team looks
Like it has very odd positioning
Like I get it
but the Bax set is throwing me off
short nebula
yea i wanna remove it
not sure with what tho
preferably an ice type that can take advantage of the snow
mighty stump
Yeah but Bax is your best option
I think your utility is like
really spread out
And also that Bax set cant hit Heatran
Id rather get rid of Scale Shot entirely and just run High Horsepower
So you can hit Gholdengo and Heatran
Moltres Galar really wants proper dedicated recovery and Life Dew just feels like a very egh move
keen karma
What is the team
short nebula
Moltres Galar really wants proper dedicated recovery and Life Dew just feels lik...
what other recover options are there?
mighty stump
Or like
Better Speed Control
I mean overall whats the gameplan here
Like Balance may not have any hardline ideas but you always have an idea of what youre going to do into certain matchups like
TornShifu
keen karma
Better Speed Control
Cant bundle work on the team with a bulky spread
Nothing is taking booster anyways
short nebula
Better Speed Control
i normally just let them get the tailwind up
then stall it out while doing chip dmg
mighty stump
On paper I can kinda get the gist of it I just don't think you output immediate pressure cause chip damage means theres a lot of room for the opp to out-tempo you
short nebula
On paper I can kinda get the gist of it I just don't think you output immediate ...
yea thats true
i can send u a replay of my last match
mighty stump
https://t.co/JfnSIXYvkm use this
Don't change the team around, play around 10 matches and hahve a look see of what you bring/click
mighty stump
Mkae a copy
mellow barn
âď¸
mellow barn
Turbo Controller get! Now to put my game on autopilot
short nebula
how do i get the game links?
mellow barn
After the match you can click on "upload match" which gives the link to the replay
short nebula
oh this is cool thanks!
mellow barn
No problem, that's why we are here!
autumn vault
Salamence is probably the best urshitfu rapid strike counter, intimidate, resists its signature move and cc, looks cool
short nebula
oh shit i forfeit a match by closing the tab
is there anyway to get back that match data?
next stump
Salamence is probably the best urshitfu rapid strike counter, intimidate, resist...
most urshifu teams have chien-pao so you just gotta be careful with positioning
mighty stump
most urshifu teams have chien-pao so you just gotta be careful with positioning
Just dodge Icicle Crash
keen karma
Just dodge Icicle Crash
ice spinner:
honestly i think ice spinner is just better
removing terrains is soo clutch đ¤¤
autumn vault
most urshifu teams have chien-pao so you just gotta be careful with positioning
i never see chien-pao but thanks for the heads up
gentle cragBOT
i never see chien-pao but thanks for the heads up
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next stump
i never see chien-pao but thanks for the heads up
do you play doubles
because thatâs one of the most common pokemon
mighty stump
@next stump Have you seen
This new team going around
Did I miss something
Wrong Tofu
Access denied btw.
short nebula
oh woops
@mighty stump https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1_eZmpOs53H9pIXePl_lDQU-2KAwQb5DDn9VMqojJSjs/edit#gid=1624378735
mighty stump
Life Dew seeing very little use, and Baxcalibur has never even clicked Scale Shot
keen karma
this is the team???
mighty stump
this is the team???
lofty tartan
https://pokepast.es/a32b7d4d4b8fcedc
You're a Final Gambit Staraptor
lofty tartan
đ
mighty stump
Ez
But yeah I have no clue where this popped up
But this exact team has popped up twice now
keen karma
funny thing is i was thinking just yesterday rilla would be a good partner to drifblim
lofty tartan
It's weird that it's come up twice. Maybe some YouTube cheese
mighty stump
No clue, exact sets and everything
lofty tartan
So sayeth Hamburger Jones
short nebula
so tofu what do u think i can change?
lofty tartan
(my kid made this and named it and I can't get over how awesome it is)
mighty stump
<@250386799363489808> https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1_eZmpOs53H9pIXePl_...
Im not seeing your issue with Flutter though
But you probably need to retain your teras for Heatran if youre gonna have a proper Flutter answer
ALthough I wager thats because Moon carried EQ
mighty stump
Just gotta be aware of your Teras
I dont know
Has Milotic really added that much value for you
mighty stump
Because Life Dew isn't really clicked, and it doesnt improve your matchups significantly considering most of yuor team are SpAtkers
So you dont even really care about Intimidate
Especially if you have Swords Dance Baxcal
Which you can then even mitigate with running Clear Amulet + Dragon Dance anyways
So you get to remove Scale Shot for something say High Horsepower
Or a big button in Glaive Rush
mighty stump
No, I don't know where it's from
It's not my team
I've faced it twice now and its too gimmicky to be a one off
So it has to come from somewhere public
keen karma
ah ic
keen karma
im pretty sure i faced it
wait actually ik how to use this already from looking đ
drifblim lead with indeedee set up minimize baton pass into armarouge
or baton pass into dozo giri
mighty stump
any recommendations for the milotic swap?
Judging from the first replay im inclined to suggest Ogerpon Wellspring
keen karma
at least that's what i get from seeing the sets
short nebula
wp?
mighty stump
Its just Indeedee-Blim/Dozo/Tatsu or Arma/Staraptor/Indeedee+1
short nebula
which game are u referring to?
mighty stump
Game 1 was messy
keen karma
How you proccing WP
then dozo ig
mighty stump
MienShao taking up the Fighting + Iron hands slot feels really poor
Which would add actual sustian and longevity to benefit off screens and would be another member to acctually allow Milotic to have some proper use
Since Lando is one of the main checks to Hands
Rillaboom/Intimidate would also go a long way
Scarf Lando/H-Arc can give you an answer into Mane
if not Hands that can deal with Bundle
short nebula
hmmm really enjoy using wide guard on mien
mighty stump
I mean, its entirely up to you, Wide Guard can be useful but I don't see it being worth not improving your other matchups over
keen karma
dyk if it was slow dozo or not?
short nebula
I mean, its entirely up to you, Wide Guard can be useful but I don't see it bein...
ok to summarize milotic and mien are the 2 areas for improvement for the team right
autumn vault
do you play doubles
yes, also smogon singles
mighty stump
ok to summarize milotic and mien are the 2 areas for improvement for the team ri...
I think they both can work on separate teams rahter than together
Cause together I feel its rather constricting enough
short nebula
I think they both can work on separate teams rahter than together
roger doger thanks alot man :)))
gentle cragBOT
roger doger thanks alot man :)))
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misty helm
https://pokepast.es/a13a31a721d3cc65 Is this a bad build for galarian articuno
It was meant to be timid
mighty stump
That is not a good build
The Air Slash/Freezing Glare is fine since that is your STAB
I don't know what those defensive EVs are for, and Ancient Power is meh
Tailwind would be nice to run
misty helm
Tailwind would be nice to run
actually I play singles so I'm doubtful that tailwind is going to be that good
mighty stump
Right
Well disregard everything except for Ancient Power
Probably still not great
misty helm
would you go with recover instead
smoky hawk
Portland will be the first Reg F regional, and I'll be there
I'll need to play the hell out of this DLC and prepare my team. I have holiday plans like a week after it comes out
mighty stump
Probably going to have to take advantage of Showdown's release ladder
misty helm
also is it that bad to spec into defense in a hyper offense meta
smoky hawk
Yeah when could we expect showdown to update for Reg F?
keen karma
so like the 12th?
mighty stump
Whats 14+2
chrome knot
LMAO
gentle cragBOT
Result: 16.000000
smoky hawk
Metagross is one of my fav pokemon. I wonder if I can make it work now without megas
keen karma
Whats 14+2
16
mighty stump
Good job
keen karma
dlc doesnt come out on sunday??
smoky hawk
Will whimsicott more or less replace tornadus?
keen karma
instead they chose thursday???
smoky hawk
Yes, next Thursday
smoky hawk
Yes tornadus is not very cute
smoky hawk
Whims has taunt and prankster and is faster than tornadus
So, torn users will have to adapt
next stump
tornadus technically had a higher 2022 worlds placement for gen 8 than whims
so i donât think heâs gone
but youâll need mental herb or dark tera
and then comes the mind game of will whimsicott waste a turn clicking taunt or just set its own tailwind
smoky hawk
Dark tera is an option but then torn will be a tera hog and no one truly wants to spend tera on torn
So yeah, mental herb
next stump
because if you taunt it and they tera or have herb, you now lose the game likely
or at least have to fight an uphill battle
chrome knot
do we know if whims can even take a bleakwind ?
keen karma
do we know if whims can even take a bleakwind ?
it probably can
smoky hawk
With sash, sure
chrome knot
not the question
keen karma
it has more raw spd than rilla and less hp
chrome knot
0 SpA Tornadus Bleakwind Storm vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Whimsicott: 132-156 (97.7 - 115.5%) -- 75% chance to OHKO
at blank sets
keen karma
0 SpA Tornadus Bleakwind Storm vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Whimsicott: 132-156 (97.7 - 115....
its honestly spread dependent because im personally calcing my whimsicott to live it
next stump
i could see cloak whimsicott calcing to live like 4SpA bleakwind
keen karma
yeah nvm its frail look at hp
chrome knot
tera steel time lmfao
next stump
140HP means youâre living 4SpA bleakwind almost every time
but idk, I feel like sash whims is probably gonna be the standard
just max max with tera ghost
smoky hawk
just max max with tera ghost
Then we will see max speed torn rise
Whims would need to have max speed I imagine
keen karma
252+ SpA Tornadus Bleakwind Storm vs. 4 HP / 252+ SpD Whimsicott: 116-140 (85.2 - 102.9%) -- 18.8% chance to OHKO
i feel like this is as good as it gets tbh
for living bleak
nvm im dumb
keen karma
0 SpA Tornadus Bleakwind Storm vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Whimsicott: 132-156 (97.7 - 115....
yeah you can calc it
im not sure if most torns run 252 spa either which is cool
smoky hawk
im not sure if most torns run 252 spa either which is cool
Max bulk is common now
Or near it
willow vault
Why not 6 Eevelutions by question?
misty helm
Why not 6 Eevelutions by question?
I haven't shiny hunted leafeon for my cat Lily
keen karma
Max bulk is common now
Not according to pika its not
smoky hawk
True but I'm not quite sure how accurate pikalytics is about spreads sometimes
misty helm
what are you trying to achieve with them?
I just want to find a way that works with these to some degree
keen karma
But like elo wise im not sure its helpful
willow vault
If playing doubles, I would suggest protect and maybe make umbreon into a more supportive pokemon by changing its moveset but outside that it looks fine.
misty helm
If playing doubles, I would suggest protect and maybe make umbreon into a more s...
I'm planning on using them in singles
do you suggest stall umbreon then
willow vault
yes however I know less about singles then vgc tbh so I'm not fully tuned into the singles metagame
karmic temple
Special flareon is interesting
smoky hawk
They go off of statistics
Yes but from showdown right?
keen karma
yes
smoky hawk
Tournament statistics are likely to be different.
But showdown stats at high elo is probably similar
keen karma
i think im gonna use garganacl next format
tribal garnet
Is Magearna good for competitive?
mellow barn
I don't believe Mythical Pokemons are allowed đ¤
tribal garnet
Well at least for battling against friends?
visual loom
What are some other choices for snow a9 teams other than something like baxcalibur
tired sage
Well at least for battling against friends?
well uhâŚ
mythical are banned but if youâre battling against friends, it can be a double edged sword since itâs pretty slow but can hit hard
so fairy steel typing just too good
tired sage
What are some other choices for snow a9 teams other than something like baxcalib...
iâve run slush rush alolan sandslash but the 4x weakness to fire and fighting kinda drags it down.
visual loom
iâve run slush rush alolan sandslash but the 4x weakness to fire and fighting ki...
I mean it just dies
What about something off meta like beartic
mighty stump
Theres not really much choice.
Its either Bundle or Baxcalibur.
Things are "off-meta" for a reason. You can win a few games with it, but the consistency is going to be low.
visual loom
Alright, thank you!
What kind of sets do baxcaliburs run and I've seen a decent amount of teams having poison Tera what does it do exactly?
Is it just for fairy
tired sage
fairy as well as fighting types.
visual loom
Is it viable to run icy wind instead of Blizzard on a9?
visual loom
fairy as well as fighting types.
Makes sense ty
gentle cragBOT
Makes sense ty
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mighty stump
Is it viable to run icy wind instead of Blizzard on a9?
That's generally the case.
Some people opt to run both, some opt to just run Icy Wind.
Some don't even run Fairy moves
tired sage
Is it viable to run icy wind instead of Blizzard on a9?
i think both are pretty goodâŚ
icy wind offers speed control while blizzard just does damage 
mighty stump
Damage is important.
visual loom
Cool, thanks for the information
visual loom
Damage is important.
True
keen karma
What about something off meta like beartic
Maybe if it was in the same boat as ursaring and got an evo but no
misty helm
would mythical Pokemon ever be aloud on the ranked battle stadium meta
tired sage
i hope not-
mighty stump
would mythical Pokemon ever be aloud on the ranked battle stadium meta
Not til the end.
visual loom
Maybe if it was in the same boat as ursaring and got an evo but no
Eviolite slush rush in rain is a bit overkill no
Snow*
Not until the last series which is end of service of competitive on that game like swsh had it
Im not tryna see 30 shiny zeraoras running around like gremlins
misty helm
what's currently the SWSH zacian of the ranked battle stadium for SV right now
next stump
no one here really plays battle stadium singles
misty helm
Can you give me a rundown on what the SV Singles meta looks like
next stump
Dragonite/Flutter/Ogerpon/Ursaluna/Gholdengo are top 5 usage rates
molten oasis
https://pokepast.es/297d3c1b522d3e57 what do I add here?
abstract gyro
for doubles would a plus ampharos and a minus manetric togehter work well. if i setup tailwind and lightscreen + reflect first with other mons?
bold geode
Ground types say hello
chrome knot
lucyđĽş
abstract gyro
fairy and fire moves for those
bold geode
fairy and fire moves for those
You realize fairy and fire don't hit Ground for SE
abstract gyro
i know but i was wondering if the x 1.5 boost would be enough
chrome knot
if you want to use an electric type tho
chrome knot
look how happy he is
abstract gyro
if you would use magnetic flux with the ampharos could they live some ground moves?
tired sage
look how happy he is
tera normal 252+ atk choice band explosion extreme speed
chrome knot
LMAO
tired sage
dapper crag
SableyeBot version 4.24.4
SableyeBot version 4.24.4
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SableyeBot version 4.24.4
bold geode
See two things
One I'd rather go Lightning Rod on Manectric if it was even viable
Plus your plan would have to go off the fact that Landorus isn't staring you down
abstract gyro
See two things
One I'd rather go Lightning Rod on Manectric if it was even viabl...
yeah saw the plus and minus abiltiy and was wondering if it could work but prob wont work
bold geode
Yeah I wouldn't necessarily do it personally
abstract gyro
yeah with lightning rod you have the same effect if you use discarge with your ally
cursive zealot
Would anyone be willing to give me any advice on a team that Iâm thinking of using for a tourney, Iâm fairly new to tourneys but know a bit of general knowledge
bold geode
What format
cursive zealot
Doubles reg E
bold geode
Ok can you send team
karmic temple
Send it as a poke paste
smoky hawk
The stats aren't bad. I could see an argument to use in TR
cursive zealot
just my idea of a rain team tester, mainly looking for advice on type coverage and where i might struggle if i run into certain mons
i know i need to change chein paos tera just not sure what to
also toying with the idea of iron head instead of ice punch on urshi
gentle cragBOT
woodtofu (ID 250386799363489808)
bold geode
If you can show team as paste, that'd help a lot
bold geode
oh okay thank you, also i havent done me evs just yet
Chien Pao wants Sucker instead of Night Slash and Ghost Tera
Eleki would want Ice tera for Ice Blast for Landot
Amoongus wants Rage Powder instead of redirect
Iron Head ain't bad on Shifu, but it kinda wants Aqua Jet more
Palafin ain't good rn, for rain you could actually use Gholdengo in that slot
Tornadus doesn't need Protect really with Cloak and Ghost tera
Water Tera Amoongus is better rn
For that Protect slot on Torn, I'd go Taunt or Icy Wind
dapper crag
SableyeBot version 4.24.4
cursive zealot
Chien Pao wants Sucker instead of Night Slash and Ghost Tera
Eleki would want Ic...
thanks for the advice, if pala is no good at the moment should i run another mon that could take advantage of it?
gentle cragBOT
thanks for the advice, if pala is no good at the moment should i run another mon...
komugihozuki has given 1 Gen Rep to dollarmonke
molten oasis
Dengo would fit well here
bold geode
thanks for the advice, if pala is no good at the moment should i run another mon...
Gholdengo or Hands
Hands is a good thing to run against Bundle to not lose 100% to TR without Amoongus
And Gholdengo takes advantage of rain defensively as the rain weakens fire moves
cursive zealot
i would love to run dengo but as ive only just got into tourneys ive only been battling using codes so i havent collected enough coins for dengo đ
smoky hawk
I have 4, almost 5 gholdengos
bold geode
Lol you could probably trade for one easily now
dull haven
<:bed_R4_EverStray_Bintubear_Stahp:1066481377891070064>
Random but I love this emote lol
smoky hawk
Maybe I should give some away. I just thought almost everyone had one
cursive zealot
ive completed the game and dlc just never got round to collecting enough coins for one haha