competitive_discussion

[dapper crag]

isn't it clear it lives if bulk ?

[mighty stump]

Look dude Monke is shit with words and explanations sometimes but all I see if mentions of 68/116 and any mention of outdated bulk I thought id clarify that specific calc

Whatever benchmark you consider is minimal, I do not care

All im saying is 68/116 is not the minimum anymore

[dapper crag]

If you don't care why many words ?

[mighty stump]

Because I sincerely believe you have literacy problems

[dapper crag]

all I say is flutter lived this, they asked for calc

[mighty stump]

and some issues with inference

[dapper crag]

no I'm fine ty for your caring

[gentle crag]

raymeta has given 1 Gen Rep to woodtofu

[bold geode]

Rep farming lmao

[molten oasis]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2023regulatione-2004866404-x5tg8b2k4y8dkf5aonoliq7grtrrtb0pw how to beat endure armarouge, ignore it lol

[mighty stump]

Yeah 1, I don’t care, 2, you’re probably too fucking stupid to look in the mirror and agree

[dapper crag]

why so aggressive

take a breather and it's gonna be allright

[mighty stump]

Im wholeheartedly sick of your shit

[bold geode]

Cuz you're aggressively a dumbass

[mighty stump]

Cause youre a fuckwit who incessantly has a history of arguing when you know fuckall about this hobby with the undeserved gusto of someone far more experienced

[bold geode]

You remind me of the 7th graders in the back of my bus who'd snort Goldfish you're so dumb

[mighty stump]

And you need to be significantly mroe clear if you want to even begin to explain things

[bold geode]

Or old bus I'd say

[dapper crag]

calm down why start insulting others

[mighty stump]

Cause as you can see

[bold geode]

Tbf I was not really that hazy

[mighty stump]

No matter how clear you are

People can still misunderstand the point

[mighty stump]

Because

[bold geode]

Oh yeah even if I'm clear, some people can't read either

[mighty stump]

When people can’t read

It makes me mad

[dapper crag]

I can read

[mighty stump]

Sure you can

[dapper crag]

you sure are a funny toxic helper

[mighty stump]

You have trouble digesting clear information being put out

[bold geode]

You honestly choose what to read
And tbh
Why complain about us insulting when you've insulted others

[mighty stump]

And you have some fucking balls thinking your opinions are worth anything in my channel

[dapper crag]

they are opinions

[mighty stump]

Especially when you only try and lord it over other people when im not around

and especially when I’ve had complaints about you

[mighty stump]

and opinions can be wrong

suprisingly

[bold geode]

Like when you said me and Drago were toddlers
Don't dish out what you can't take

[dapper crag]

this is going nowhere

[bold geode]

Just like you

[mighty stump]

“This is going nowhere I will let you talk to yourself”

Do us a favour, remove yourself permanently

Don’t come back

[mighty stump]

Its only a discussion if one party can actually welcome

a thought

Unfortunately you have a history of not being able to even understand the clearest of points

[chrome knot]

this aint it

[mighty stump]

Fine

Ill reword it

Do ME a favour

remove yourself permanently FROM THIS CHANNEL because there has been 0 productive conversations stemming from your own attempts at contributing

And whatever the hell you else want to interpret it as Ill leave it up as that

[nocturne holly]

🫠

[dapper crag]

RESPECT
Remember everyone here is human and deserves basic decency and respect. We respect all forms of opinions and discussion, and you should respect that as well. We do not tolerate any hate speech, means to provoke ill intentions, slurs against anything, excessive venting, trolling or flaming others or any abusiveness towards others on the discord. This also includes Direct Messages towards others in this Discord as well, as no one deserves to feel threatened or unsafe.

[nocturne holly]

…

[mighty stump]

Yeah you lost my respect

[mighty stump]

You lost my respect from this point onward

[keen karma]

https://tenor.com/view/bat-signal-batman-raining-rainy-night-gif-16388826

[gentle delta]

@mighty stump may I chime in

[mighty stump]

If you feel threatened by silly little internet words boy do I have a reality check for you

[mighty stump]

Chime in anyways cause I have genuinely stopped caring from this point onwards

Whatever the result i’ve said my piece

[keen karma]

block him tbh

[bold geode]

Can't

[mighty stump]

And do what? let him spew garbage to everyone else where I can’t keep an eye on it?

You think I have that luxury?

[bold geode]

Tofu has to watch for misinformation that Ray CONSTANTLY gives cuz he's a dumb fuckwit

[mighty stump]

That EVERYONE gives

[bold geode]

Well here recently

[mighty stump]

No matter who it is

[molten oasis]

Everyone gives out good and bad advice

[dapper crag]

not in a good spot to talk mate

[mighty stump]

And surprisingly I take my hobbies seriously because I care about it

[bold geode]

Stfu you ain't better

[mighty stump]

Man

What’s your business here

[gentle delta]

@dapper crag consider this to be from a neutral party. I’ve heard OF you but I don’t think we interacted before yesterday.

But its worth noting you have a reputation for being sand papery, I hear it from a few people in this chat in my dms. People pinging me or dming to ask if the stuff you’re shitting on them for is true or not.

What I gotta say was one of the weirdest interactions on the internet I have ever had was when I got pinged because someone was genuinely trying to offer advice in my name that I had given them (1/?)

[bold geode]

All of my business
I've dealt with their stupidity constantly as well
Literally had an argument over a point I ALREADY MADE

Idgaf either
I'm letting it out too

Keep in mind this is all also rage from YESTERDAY

[mighty stump]

You have the luxury of blocking them

Move on

[bold geode]

Nope

You know my goals
Sooner or later, if it ever happens, I'll be in the same boat

[gentle delta]

And it was wild that instead of just agreeing or disagreeing on principles of the idea, you needed to drag me in here to defend whether my ideas were worth something because of my achievements.

As if to say, if I’m not a pro, my ideas aren’t worth jack.

You don’t gotta listen to me, but don’t be shitting on the people who are trying to learn just because I’m trying to teach them. If you don’t like my ideas for whatever reason. Just ignore them.

That whole convo was super uncomfortable. (2/2)

[bold geode]

Better to knock that horse out while I can

[chrome knot]

@bold geode quiet down, there are times to chime in and times to not

now is not a time for us

[bold geode]

Eh who cares

[molten oasis]

Let them handle this plz

[bold geode]

Ray don't give a fuck anyways so I'll just watch and hope we find some braincells tonight

[gentle delta]

I used to be super active in here but left because the brain rot and arguments like these got tiresome.

But have been asked by Tofu to hang around a bit more because im a semi-accomplished player with things worth sharing.

So many people get hostile when they don’t like my takes. Just move the fuck on.

So many literal children in here. On reddit, and in other large vgc spaces make it very hard for new players to come in and learn

When everyone bickers about how to help someone nobody gets any help.

[dapper crag]

gets messy with bunch of opinions this is very true

[mighty stump]

Opinions can be wrong, is that a hard concept or something

[gentle delta]

If Player A asks Player B for help we dont need Players C to Z telling player A not to listen to B

Let player B help A and leave it

If B’a advice is shit, A will learn not to ask again

Fucking easy

Y’all should be grateful to have the spare room in your brain to bother being heated about VGC arguments

Go smoke a joint and chill

[mighty stump]

I don’t smoke

[molten oasis]

Real

[mighty stump]

And also you know I can’t let bad advice slide

[gentle delta]

Its okay Tofu I still love you anyway

[mighty stump]

I know

[karmic temple]

Can we do dabs instead

[mighty stump]

Ill mentally smoke for you

[gentle delta]

I dont mean BAD advice. In the scenario in question I am Player B

Because its very frequent that I get pinged for advice and others tel that person to not ask me before I’m even here

As if I care

[keen karma]

best way of calming down is playing fortnite

[charred saddle]

🤝 chindo ga blh ngerokok

[gentle delta]

I just wanna help

[gentle delta]

And the best way to put out a fire is gasoline

[mighty stump]

Nih org brengsek banget tau gk nyebelin tai

[bold geode]

Also I hate to be bearer of bad news, but watch the weed talk in here lol

[molten oasis]

Best way of calming down is sitting and listening to music

[mighty stump]

sudah bacod terus bego

[charred saddle]

gmn ya akwowakow

[mighty stump]

MAU GIMANA JUGA GW HRS NGAWASIN LAGIAN

[molten oasis]

What is happening lol

[chrome knot]

this makes me understand why when i first started out and asked for resources, many players said most groups are often closed off

[gentle delta]

If a mod is actually watching? Sorry I guess.

If someone actually cries about it? Get a life. Its legal and acceptable in my country

[bold geode]

They're speaking propaganda

[heady onyx]

for good reasons, here you won't get much help

[molten oasis]

Ah I see

[mighty stump]

Ive had many situations where people outright deny analysis

[chrome knot]

i know where the real help lies

[heady onyx]

I soon learned to not ask anything here

[mighty stump]

and fsct

[keen karma]

where

[bold geode]

Right
I don't think it's necessarily 13+, so that's why I was warning lol

[chrome knot]

secret

[charred saddle]

not really, i still get lots of advices and helps. just needed to choose which one is nice haha and beneficial

[mighty stump]

and there is a reason a lot of VGC communities are gated and not publically open

[keen karma]

bcuz of me 😔

[heady onyx]

i see arguing every day I come lol

I learned more from showdown chat tbh

[keen karma]

yep

[mighty stump]

Cause either you meet a shitter who doesn’t know how either not get offended that theyre doing something suboptimal, a shitter that denies proper meta-analysis and advice, or shitters that try to act like they know shit and bestow garbage upon new players

and shoehorn themselves into discussions out of their depth

[gentle delta]

I said a few weeks ago how there are two kinds of bad players

[mighty stump]

or choose irrelevant points to discuss

[gentle delta]

Players who play badly and players who wont learn

The former? They’ll win worlds one day with effort

The latter? Good luck top cutting a 5 man pc

[mighty stump]

Don’t act as if you didn’t deny outright analysis either

[tired atlas]

And then you have me

[molten oasis]

Crest you’re fine

[heady onyx]

not denying anything, i stopped asking because it's always arguing

[gentle delta]

@heady onyx hate to be an asshole but in the past you’ve been one of the people saying not listen to me when I’ve been asked to come speak.

You’re mostly chill though

[mighty stump]

Some of you just won’t ever be good players, because no amount of help will save you with the amount of coddling that is required

[heady onyx]

showdown chat answers my questions to the point

[tired atlas]

Let me self-deprecate

[gentle delta]

Asterisk here, players who want to learn can need coddling that’s different

[molten oasis]

No self depreciating is bad for your mental health

[gentle delta]

If I can make our “hey mate” friend good Tofu I can teach fucking anyone

[tired sage]

tell meee
i need to stop making really creative teams

[mighty stump]

Yeah I stopped having that business years ago when people took it for granted

See the actual fuckface being discussed isn’t even here

[molten oasis]

He does that every time

[chrome knot]

they run off when they’re wrong

[molten oasis]

He leaves when we’re winning the argument

[mighty stump]

Which makes me super suspicious since there is a fucking pattern of alts

[karmic temple]

Oh oh OH

I know what you’re thinking tofu

[mighty stump]

Its happened so often that this can be referenced so easily apparently

[bold geode]

They bitched out like usual

It's REALLY suspicious

[keen karma]

because they're trying to get a rise out of tofu

[mighty stump]

@dapper crag come on you stupid bitch i’m basically done with any semblance of respect I have for people so I will entertain silly little internet arguments

[keen karma]

chill man

[mighty stump]

I will not, thank you

I think at this point people need to bloody learn that this one section of Pokemon works very fucking differently

[gentle delta]

Tofu and I are quite close, trust me when I say if he’s this pissed we’re past a point of people being polite

[bold geode]

Yeah politeness is not needed now

[mighty stump]

I am not here to be a fucking google bot for people to try and build shitty teams with shitty pokemon

im here to actually find players that want to get good and care about the hobby

and I am definitely not here to entertain any sort of crappy minute irrelevant arguments over clarified facts

Im not here to give fucking EVs for Pokemon to be used in PvE content

So yeah, I am mad, maybe I am elitist and gatekeepy and I have definitely earned that fucking right cause you all should be so fucking grateful there even is people to directly ask your dumbass very googleable questions to

[bold geode]

Tofu I am grateful

[mighty stump]

@dapper crag You can go pay people to answer your questions while ive done the same to hundreds for free

[bold geode]

Without you, I'd be a dumbfuck like our resident idiots

[dapper crag]

more like you're referring showdown in my mind

[mighty stump]

Then go to showdown, what are you doing here

[dapper crag]

you can be on both

[bold geode]

[gentle delta]

Your continued insistence that “ranked ladder” in game is good competitive practice and feedback is also hindering you and others.

Since we’re airing opinions in out

[molten oasis]

CTS is kinda not a great way to learn the game tbh.

[bold geode]

Also Jay I'm sorry but
Sometimes for some of your arguments, "I made it to master ball" is not a valid argument
For pro players, they can do it in their sleep (no offense to anyone here struggling to get there newbies or vets, it's ok I'm referring to like Wolfe or the likes)

[molten oasis]

If you can help it Bo3 is better for seeing what your teams struggle with, I think

[dapper crag]

Thing is, I only care for CTS right now

And I think that's fine

[mighty stump]

That does not remove the necessity to recognise that CTS Bo1 ladder is still an inconsistent tool of measuring quality

Especially for higher levels of play

But for a LOT of people their anecdotes and bias skews into thinking that their opinion changes the gold standard

Oh good

You’re back

Oh come on you shitter where the fuck are you

Don’t stop typing

If you actually had legs and knew what you were talking about

Go on lets see which irrelevant minuscule point you’ve decided to cherry pick

[bold geode]

@dull ibex don't lol

[dull ibex]

Don't what?

[bold geode]

I saw you typing

[mighty stump]

@dapper crag

Hellooooo

[dull ibex]

To monke and drago I'm not going to not type that's absurd

[mighty stump]

If this is my last rodeo at least make it a good one

[dull ibex]

Secondly I was just reading lmao

[bold geode]

Giddy up motherfucker
Where's the bull

[mighty stump]

Too much of a fucking coward to engage yet AGAIN despite being the root cause of being an idiot

[chrome knot]

griddy up

[bold geode]

Can I call him

[chrome knot]

LOL

[bright spire]

( Insert fortnite griddy)

[bold geode]

@dapper crag here bud dinner time

[mighty stump]

Fuck it

[bold geode]

Oh I just saw that
Fuck off lmao

[mighty stump]

Its fine

Leave it for now

As if I don’t have fucking eyes on this channel almost always

[bold geode]

It's ok Tofu
They bitch made

[mighty stump]

First its about a preferential opinion about tera normal HArc

[dull haven]

Gone

[mighty stump]

Now its about legitimate fact

[bold geode]

Oh my

[molten oasis]

Who ray?

[bold geode]

Khuja did you do it

[dull ibex]

If bans happened that is good

Very known causation of issues here

[dull haven]

Yes which is why they're gone now. I handled it

[dull ibex]

Thank you khuja!

[chrome knot]

woopee

[molten oasis]

Thank you Khuja

[dull ibex]

Would you like chat to return to normal? Because I have normal topics

[bright spire]

[cyan smelt]

I think I should build a team rather than use rentals but idk where to start

[bold geode]

KHUJA I COULD HUG YOU RN

[gentle delta]

Fuck normal topics we’re cooking Inteleon Trick Room to tilt @mighty stump

[dull ibex]

What do yall think will be more potent mane/koraidon, mane/groudon?

[mighty stump]

Prog someone read my beginners guide in gen 8 and said “should I run Sunny Day Ferrothorn”

[dull ibex]

That's gonna be my first sun combo when restricted come back

[mighty stump]

Koraidon

[dull ibex]

I think so too

[gentle delta]

5$ says I could top a tour

[dull ibex]

I think it's going to be mane Lili koraidon/groudon

[cyan smelt]

Won't miraidon like nuke both flutter and koraidon

[mighty stump]

With Ferrothorn? like rn

Just code it in first

[dull ibex]

That's the new rinya sun to me

[mighty stump]

Flutter can tank LO Electro drift

[dull ibex]

Speed in sun too

For mane

Does sun have Merrit rn?

Or is just rain and snow that are great

[cyan smelt]

Miraidon gets flash cannon for mane though

[dull ibex]

Mirai would have to Tera

Which at that point korai eats

[solid ravine]

only thing i can think of that sun would be useful for is lilikoal

[cyan smelt]

People were running fairy tera miraidon in paldea prologue

[dull ibex]

I'm kinda theory crafting scarf korai

[dapper crag]

whats that ?

[nocturne holly]

anyone have a specs flutter or booster spe tw acro moon spread??

[dapper crag]

oh just a mini competition early release nice

[charred saddle]

specs flutter i think have timid and lots of speed investment, some bulk and bit of sp atk iirc

i dont remember the spread

[mighty stump]

The most recent one is the bulky one on github calc

[dull ibex]

What is dlc 2 again?

[mighty stump]

14th

Indigo Disk

[dull ibex]

Pog

[dapper crag]

hype

[dull ibex]

Too many days away

[cyan smelt]

Damn only 9 days til the return of incin

[dull ibex]

10

[cyan smelt]

9 for me

[dapper crag]

the format isn't kicking until next month though

[dull ibex]

Showdown

[dapper crag]

oh ya ofc

[dull ibex]

Also I want my mons off home

[cyan smelt]

I want to breed shiny alolan starters in apriballs

[harsh depot]

You can with Rowlet, but not the other 2

I will say though, I completely forgot H-Decidueye has Scrappy as its HA and almost lost a doubles ranked cause of it

[cyan smelt]

I have never seen h-decidueye

[dapper crag]

not the only one to forget this Mon

[gentle delta]

You can with all lol

[dapper crag]

the whole meta has lol

[gentle delta]

One day 2’d in Pittsburgh, my friend lost to it. Never witnessed it myself

[chrome knot]

13th for Americas

[harsh depot]

I'm super new to competitive. So I saw it in either Beginner's Tier or Pokeball Tier

[nocturne holly]

this?? Flutter Mane @ Choice Specs
Ability: Protosynthesis
Level: 50
Tera Type: Ghost
EVs: 212 HP / 132 Def / 36 SpA / 4 SpD / 124 Spe
Timid Nature

[cyan smelt]

It's just too slow for tailwind and too fast for tr

[gentle delta]

Latter is often misunderstood here

For example, Palkia and Dialga are prime tr mons

[harsh depot]

No they're not....?

[gentle delta]

Getting alolan starters in apriballs? Absolutely possible

[harsh depot]

Not that, no

[mighty stump]

That one

[cyan smelt]

Palkia and Dialga tr was a big thing in swsh

[gentle delta]

You’d need a breedject first though

[gentle delta]

Basically in restricted formats what is fast goes higher in scale, so mid speed things are “slow”

Palkia fills the speed tier shoes of like Arma and Gallade

[harsh depot]

And this is why I don't hang in competitive.

[gentle delta]

Wait was this in response to me saying the DP legends are tr staples?

[harsh depot]

Yes. Cause I don't know jack

[gentle delta]

Listen, im not gonna boast about my experience with the archetype.

But just about anyone here listens to me blindly about Tr for a reason lol

Trust me Palkia is S tier for tr

[dapper crag]

Pokémon No. 483: Dialga

Types

Steel/Dragon

Abilities

Pressure, Telepathy (Hidden)

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

100/120/120/150/100/90

Total

680

Other Formes

Dialga-Origin

SableyeBot version 4.24.4

[gentle delta]

Dialga is like B+

[keen karma]

ill trust

[dapper crag]

Pokémon No. 484: Palkia

Types

Water/Dragon

Abilities

Pressure, Telepathy (Hidden)

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

90/120/100/150/120/100

Total

680

Other Formes

Palkia-Origin

SableyeBot version 4.24.4

[harsh depot]

I don't trust anyone blindly tbh

You're no exception. Sorry, not sorry.

[gentle delta]

Fair but if you’ll say im wrong. Say why

[cyan smelt]

Dialga is so bulky

[gentle delta]

I offered an explanation of why they’re good

[bright spire]

[gentle delta]

Happy to hear a rebuttal

[cyan smelt]

Lunala is also good for tr

[charred saddle]

sry to cut off but i wanna see arm speed

[dapper crag]

Pokémon No. 936: Armarouge

Types

Fire/Psychic

Abilities

Flash Fire, Weak Armor (Hidden)

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

85/60/100/125/80/75

Total

525

SableyeBot version 4.24.4

[gentle delta]

I was mostly kidding, I encourage all of my own students to not take my advice at face value

[charred saddle]

dude arm is faster than h decid

[keen karma]

too bad we need to wait until restricted

[gentle delta]

Less so

[dapper crag]

Pokémon No. 724: Decidueye-Hisui

Types

Grass/Fighting

Abilities

Overgrow, Scrappy (Hidden)

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

88/112/80/95/95/60

Total

530

Base Species

Decidueye

SableyeBot version 4.24.4

[mighty stump]

Im just more excited to play a non Dmax restricted meta

[gentle delta]

Extremely awks typing

[harsh depot]

Dude, you're not a teacher. Also, Palkia literally isn't good for Trick Room itself. It's a good TR setter by Smogon and other teams, but it's too fast with base 100 speed

[mighty stump]

Necrozma Dusk Mane is going to be fun

[chrome knot]

he IS a teacher though

[harsh depot]

Is he?

[nocturne holly]

ZAMN
36 SpA Flutter Mane Moonblast vs. 0 HP / 20 SpD Assault Vest Slaking: 66-78 (29.3 - 34.6%) -- 4.1% chance to 3HKO

[chrome knot]

yes

[mighty stump]

Soecs

[harsh depot]

Sorry, I was getting flashbacks to high school.

[mighty stump]

Spexs

Specs*

[harsh depot]

I'll see myself out now

[cyan smelt]

I trust what progatog says

[gentle delta]

I coach for money lol

And that started because people sought me out

[bright spire]

What's a good item for gambit

[cyan smelt]

Black glasses

[gentle delta]

Glasses

[nocturne holly]

36 SpA Choice Specs Flutter Mane Moonblast vs. 0 HP / 20 SpD Assault Vest Slaking: 99-117 (44 - 52%) -- 12.1% chance to 2HKO
still decent
you think its worth putting more into sp def?

[bright spire]

[gentle delta]

Nah

Higher natural spdef

[mighty stump]

Nah

12.1

[mighty stump]

As mentioned, Glasses. AV/Safety Goggles also works

[cyan smelt]

You're gonna want to put a lot in def because you'll get hands targeting slaking

[nocturne holly]

Slaking only has 65 sp def

[dapper crag]

wow

[cyan smelt]

AV

[bright spire]

[gentle delta]

Myb im outside and read wrong

Thought it was flutter taking a hit

[dapper crag]

slaking is truly a monster stat wise wtf

[gentle delta]

In my recording sessions for the slaking vid he was quite tanky tho

[gentle delta]

Truant is THAT bad lol

Its only barely more workable than Slow Start

[mighty stump]

At least with Truant you can cycle Weezing

T1 start doesnt have to be with Weezing

Or something

[solid ravine]

slaking/wheezing is the new gigas/wheezing(?)

[nocturne holly]

Btw when’s your weezing vid coming out?

[harsh depot]

@gentle delta Sorry for the ping, but just wanna say sorry for a couple minutes ago. I'm really tired and not feeling great, but shouldn't have taken that out on you.

[nocturne holly]

Say I switch weezing out
does truant reset and it’s like t1 where truant doesn’t take place

[keen karma]

isnt slaking really limited move wise?

[cyan smelt]

Weezing slaking lead is good if they lead lando or harc

[gentle delta]

I have a new editing assistant whos been helping me step up the pizzazz

Was aiming for today tomorrow feels likely

[dapper crag]

it gets some nice options look up on showdown

[dull ibex]

Wlaking feels a little gimmicky compared to gigas weezing

[nocturne holly]

W

[gentle delta]

Its okay, and to be fair You also missed my whole speech about idc if people actually listen to my advice

Cant make a horse drink and what not

[harsh depot]

Yeah, true lol

[dull ibex]

Prog what happened to glast btw?

[gentle delta]

Weezing actually has better coverage

[dull ibex]

Me and you were so high on it initially

It kinda just fell off and I forgot I was hunting a 0 speed

[gentle delta]

I mean, metas change

[dull ibex]

That's fair

[cyan smelt]

I've got a 0 speed glastrier, I should use it

[gentle delta]

I brought HO to my last PC and people were super weirded out by the total lack of TR

[dull ibex]

I might continue that hunt eventually

[gentle delta]

Took me 216

[dull ibex]

I'm getting better about hunting mons

[mighty stump]

Honestly, in that department, no clue. Last I used it was a very while back so I only remember bringing it on Turn 2 and the like

[gentle delta]

Truant checks if you attacked last turn

[dull ibex]

Still stick to using generalized spreads though

[keen karma]

im building the team in game

[nocturne holly]

Even with n gas?

[chrome knot]

i bet theyre so hot

[gentle delta]

Flinches/Switches/Sleep etc dont reset it but it does pause it

[keen karma]

@mighty stump dyt weezings are interchangable

[dull ibex]

No

[mighty stump]

Both yes and no

[gentle delta]

Definitely not

Kantonian is mostly better

[dull ibex]

Kanto is just better from what I heard

[mighty stump]

Im sure people have their justification for specific teams

[gentle delta]

I explain in my video why I use Gweezing for it, but in vacuum Kanto wins

[mighty stump]

But overall I prefer kantonian

[keen karma]

i do too which is why i was asking

[mighty stump]

The post also explains why they use Gweezjng

[keen karma]

im not a fan of gweezing

[cyan smelt]

I like g weezing

[dull ibex]

Now I want to play more tr tbh

Maybe I'll hop back on the dusclops team

[ember linden]

The main difference factor is less weaknesses

[solid ravine]

i remember back in swsh i ran a very silly tr team with wp giratina-o

[cyan smelt]

The problem I had when I tried dusclops was everyone would taunt it

[bold geode]

Sounds very silly

[dull ibex]

Reuni was my setter of choice until restricted

[solid ravine]

had mimikyu shadow sneak as well

[gentle delta]

Gweezing is better if you’re more concerned about it taking dark attacks and dragon attacks than steel

[mighty stump]

@keen karma as a quick read

The readon they chose GWeezinf

[charred saddle]

wrong channel

[mighty stump]

Was because for the number of resistances you get

Its a bonus

[gentle delta]

Yeah pretty much, kinda pouty though

[mighty stump]

and the steel weakness was mainly aimed at Gholdengo and Heatran

and they said

[solid ravine]

i remember explosion eleki from format 14 of swsh

[mighty stump]

Due to the fact KWeezing is specially frail

They dont believe it really makes that much of a difference

[keen karma]

alright

[mighty stump]

And the Dragon Immunity is in fact

a big bonus

The Fairy coverage is also more appreciated apparently

[chrome knot]

all princess power however

[bold geode]

Yeah
Though I heard this editor had an itch problem

And constantly falls out their bed

[chrome knot]

more like pushed

[nocturne holly]

Thoughts on this? https://pokepast.es/4432c5c98c6533fb

[bold geode]

No way

Who would do such a thing

[keen karma]

anyone know what these moves are

[nocturne holly]

I’m guessing raster cannon is flash cannon

[molten oasis]

Hello

[dull ibex]

Earth power and flash canon

[molten oasis]

How are we doing

[dull ibex]

So I imagine heatwave and protect

[keen karma]

no tera blast?

[dapper crag]

Heat Wave Earth Power Flash Cannon Protect

is it a sound to letter japanese translation

this feels odd

[fallen rivet]

Ngl uu is kinda fun

[tired sage]

translating does feel weird…
that last slot is “to protect” xD so it’s protect but the word is…
anyways-

[dull ibex]

I didn't translate anything tbh

Except canon and power

If they're running flash and earth it's guaranteed heatwave protect imo

[chrome knot]

go on

[dapper crag]

i know last word is guard

neppu is hot wind

[worldly mauve]

Is infernape any good in vgc?

[next stump]

not really

[worldly mauve]

😔

[charred saddle]

haha monke

infernape go oonga boonga

[bold geode]

Sadly not my friend
I appreciate your curiosity
However when I get home, I have a rental for you if you wanna bullshit around with it

[charred saddle]

bullshitt around

[bold geode]

Basically what I do

[worldly mauve]

Yea I’ll look at it

[bold geode]

Actually hold up

It's like very meh Hyper Offense so it's really just a fuck around team
If you want a more serious team, there's obviously better options

[tired sage]

i forgor what i was gonna say

[bold geode]

I basically play with it when I just wanna pass time on the ladder cuz boredom

Hell guess I could dump my last team in here since I'm giving it up too

[shrewd scarab]

Double monkey team

[bold geode]

https://pokepast.es/f86515fc6194fa0c
Here's a team I was trying to make that showcases Galarian Moltres
If anyone can figure out how to fix it/make it better, then it's yours
Enjoy

[shrewd scarab]

I just hatched a chimchar kinda wanna try this lol

[charred saddle]

monk in comps

[bold geode]

Stonks frfr

[charred saddle]

monk met monke.
then kit met kitsumi

noice

[bold geode]

The real question is
Who is King of Monke

[solid ravine]

i remember seeing a goatress team featured on cybertron's channel a bit ago

[shrewd scarab]

That’s the king of monkeys

[bold geode]

TRUE

Imma cook with it next Reg

[charred saddle]

ew. i still hate annihilape till this day

[bold geode]

MARK MY WORDS
ANNIHILAPE WILL BE GOOD IN REG F

[shrewd scarab]

rep -1 point

[tired sage]

band 252+ eleki player

[charred saddle]

if you try to hit him and kill, it final gambits on your face

if you dont hit him, it bulks up

like dude, fucking monke

[solid ravine]

annihilape sweep 🔥 🔥 🗣️ 🗣️

[shrewd scarab]

[charred saddle]

oh and if you hit and it tera, rage fist buff fuck

[charred saddle]

mod abooz

[charred saddle]

[solid ravine]

monke literally too angy to die

[bright spire]

Angy monke

[tired sage]

tera normal explosion

[bright spire]

[charred saddle]

i think i should try and pair it with shifu

[bold geode]

You will do no such thing

[charred saddle]

since flutter is the problem to explosion, so you cant protect or dodge it hehehehhehe

[charred saddle]

oh i will

[bold geode]

Ma'am this is 13+

Or sir or whatever

[charred saddle]

oh wait you meant that HAHAHA

[solid ravine]

i remember scarf explosion eleki + plasma fists zeraora from swsh lmao

[bold geode]

Idk why I said ma'am

[bright spire]

[charred saddle]

[bold geode]

WHAT ARE YOUR PRONOUNS

[charred saddle]

dude idgaf

[bold geode]

No I actually don't know

[charred saddle]

same as tofu haha

chinese indonesian strong

[bright spire]

[bold geode]

Oh
Well I did say Tofu had a big chest one time

[charred saddle]

what

[bright spire]

[molten oasis]

[charred saddle]

how long have you been dry aging drago?

[molten oasis]

About uh, 2 days now

[charred saddle]

i see

dont do it too long or itll be too pungent

[ripe ember]

anyone wanna play double battles

[gentle delta]

Since when do you respect pronouns mr Misgender

[tired sage]

might wanna check #1046572041421197352

[gentle delta]

(Jk dw)

[charred saddle]

HAHA

[gentle delta]

I need to remind him regularly im not a man its mostly a joke

[ripe ember]

what is this for ? someone told me to ask here

[charred saddle]

shit why did i laugh at that

[charred saddle]

iirc, #1046572041421197352 is for people to invite others to on to the play, since this chat is mostly for comp discussions

[bold geode]

HEY YOU'RE CONFUSING BITCH

[charred saddle]

might have better luck there i think

[tired sage]

asking questions about team building and stuff like that. as well as talking about regional/worlds teams and stuff

[charred saddle]

i see

[bold geode]

JK love ya Prog

[charred saddle]

idk if youre allowed to ask people play here, since ive seen people do it before

like doyle asked red to play him here, so i dont think theres a problem asking here tbh, but prob better luck at #1046572041421197352

[ripe ember]

oh so I can ask about teams for the competitive doubles battles

[gentle delta]

I mean not really.

Im not offended by man as a pronoun, like “whats up man”

But I dont like “prog is the man”

[charred saddle]

yeah, people can like ask for inputs

[ripe ember]

sweet

[charred saddle]

ill keep that in mind

[nocturne holly]

Prog is the woman 😎

[ripe ember]

i have a team with kingambit chi-yu roaring moon chien-pao ogerpon and goodra

[gentle delta]

Also wrong. But again im not a whiner about it.

[nocturne holly]

lmao

[gentle delta]

Use any pronouns/descriptive words you want I just dont like being literally called a man or a woman

[charred saddle]

i think its better for you to paste the pokepaste to your team for better overview on it

[dull ibex]

Is my guy or dude okay?

[ripe ember]

how ?

[dull ibex]

Or is it literally the word man or woman because I can do that

[gentle delta]

One of my coworkers the other day actually ask me.

“How do I insult you without being the bigoted kind of insult”

“If I call you a bitch ass is that rude because its gendered”

Bless my heart he’s trying

[charred saddle]

go to pokepaste in google, then import and export the whole word from showdown (if you dont have one in showdown, recreate them first in showdown). then you save the pokepaste. and copy the link

[silk lily]

I want a gliscor stall team

[dull ibex]

Its nice to read others struggling but trying

[gentle delta]

Yeah just literally dont like being called a gender

[nocturne holly]

Thoughts on this? https://pokepast.es/4432c5c98c6533fb

[bold geode]

Ah I see
So I can say wassup dude

[dull ibex]

Fair enough

[charred saddle]

too much fairy tera, steel kinda walls it no?

[nocturne holly]

Harc and slaking dp

[tired sage]

harcanine and drain punch slaking might be able to handle it

[gentle delta]

Like I use male/female emojis and self description interchangeably depending on the day because alternatives dont exist or suck

Like when I wanna say “uncle prog” im not gonna say “gender noncomforming sibling of your parent”

[charred saddle]

gholdengo is my main thinking route

but yeah Harc is still there tho

[nocturne holly]

Dengo I also have sucker on slaking

slaking looks really good on paper
I gotta test it

[charred saddle]

i mean ability cloak thingy is pretty cool for Harc, but you will lose the band haha

idk ill try cooking one with it later

[nocturne holly]

I kinda like the interaction between intim and n gas
I can choose when intim goes off w/o switching harc by switch weezing out

[molten oasis]

https://pokepast.es/0ee349a2e1af32d5 so so far with this team, torn feels eh

[nocturne holly]

Also would gweezing work better? I think Kanto is better on this but just wanna hear some thoughts

[molten oasis]

I’m not bringing it and when I do it doesn’t feel like it’s impacting

[nocturne holly]

torn looks good on that tho

[molten oasis]

I went for matching tw a few times

[nocturne holly]

w/o replays I can’t say much though

[molten oasis]

Legit did nothing

[tired sage]

it can backfire with the opposing intim or prankster but it’ll.. be interesting to say the least

[molten oasis]

I have a couple hold on

Not that are torn games

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2023regulatione-2004830224-nwjxitgtyrmxtwjtfa8n891vwc2brfmpw but it’s games where I’m piloting gambit

[ripe ember]

ok I'll put my team in the pokepaste

[molten oasis]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2023regulatione-2004860803-64ygiym6bgzwghbai6z9p8llnz99xthpw

Genuinely I feel like I can pilot gambit through a lot of torn teams

Without torn

Setting it up just works well as long as I position correctly

[nocturne holly]

I don’t have to switch in that situation tho then

[charred saddle]

https://pokepast.es/8d72ac53551d3eef

look at this abomination HHAHAHA

[ripe ember]

https://pokepast.es/8d1ae3742e1332ca

[charred saddle]

can do like eleki and torn, torn protects explosion put in ursh and sweep.

or like ursh and arm +4 speed +2 spatk
or just normal ursh torn combo

[solid ravine]

eleki + horoark 🤯

[charred saddle]

[solid ravine]

what is leo trying to cook with horoark

[charred saddle]

the idea of them being scared of torn and ursh(horoark)

then i NP tailwind

or indeedee arm? but it was indeedee horoark

AHAHHA its so dumb

[karmic temple]

The torn and arma are wasting evs, you either need to split them into 3 or 5

[charred saddle]

arm needs to hit 100 to outspeed most stuff at +4

[silver ravine]

Obviously dependent on what moves Incineroar gets and how good Duraludon's evolution is, but how do guys feel about this bulky offense team?https://pokepast.es/b55d034705c6e7a9

[charred saddle]

and torn was a bulky torn, and im lazy to find the bulk spread. for now at least

[karmic temple]

If you’re using it with trick room do you even really need the speed/weak armor?

[silver ravine]

Either going to run specs or leftovers for Dura's evolution. Still working on who I want as my 6th

[charred saddle]

no, it was there just to see if theres a chance enemy wants the tailwind battle.

and good for swapping tr

[karmic temple]

Grim isn’t a great offensive threat, it’d be better as a screen setter with prankster or parting shot

Especially if you want a bulkier team

[silver ravine]

Even under trick room?

[karmic temple]

Prankster +1 priority even in tr

[solid ravine]

^^

[silver ravine]

🤔

[solid ravine]

grim prankster cooks with screens

[molten oasis]

So, most of your team loses to hands and shifu rn

You’re very fighting weak atm

[solid ravine]

flutter peak moment

[molten oasis]

Real

[karmic temple]

Well if you can call the tail wind and use trick room then the speed battle doesn’t matter

[ripe ember]

ok

what do I do ?

[molten oasis]

Id suggest right away to drop hoodra and chi yu

[charred saddle]

its more of a gimmicky play anyway

[molten oasis]

Hoodra is, not good without screens

[solid ravine]

sadly

[molten oasis]

And I feel like chien pao is helping yiu more here

Then I think we either drop moon or pao, ik I just said it’s helping more but, this team just doesn’t like fighting atm

Up to you to start with gambit pon moon or gambit pao pon

[charred saddle]

i mean you can do chi flutter haha

to deal with fighting, flutter smacks

[solid ravine]

drop moon for flutter?

and pao for something else

[charred saddle]

id say hoodra, RM is annoying to deal with

[ripe ember]

ok that is lot of changes

[bold geode]

Ew wtf

[tired sage]

252+ orb eleki xD

i can’t believe you actually gave it extreme speed

[charred saddle]

so much gimmicks in that team that i dont think itll work

its an abomination anyway haha

[bold geode]

If that team works properly, I'm signing up for the army

[charred saddle]

how did you like say its working properly

in 1400 showdowns?

[bold geode]

I had one emote that was that but it had the American flag behind it
Guess it got deleted

[tired sage]

it’s quite the mental game with this one team

[charred saddle]

i mean like what interpretations in working properly haha

my english is so bad

ill prob be able to win some in 1400s

[molten oasis]

That too

[bold geode]

Is that why you speak Chindo with Tofu (idk what language it is)

[molten oasis]

Sorry I had to go do sushi orders

[molten oasis]

Indonesian

[tired sage]

but armadee explosion eleki

[bold geode]

Oh
I did a racism

[charred saddle]

yeah, sometimes its hard for me to like say what i mean in english

[bold geode]

I'm sorry

[molten oasis]

Would you mind if I made a team for you or start from scratch with you?

[tired sage]

your english is better than mine

[ripe ember]

I'm good ty

[gentle crag]

mordretha has given 1 Gen Rep to drayagedrago

[bold geode]

It's ok
I only speak English and mine is broken

[charred saddle]

chindo is just chinese indonesia, me and tofu prob came from chinese family but lives and born in indonesia

we still speak indonesia haha

[ripe ember]

I see rentals and found some tools in the pins

[charred saddle]

thats because im typing

my speaking skills are shite

[tired sage]

they are not wym-
you’re better than me when being logical

[bold geode]

I did know a bit of Spanish but like
Living in East Texas where it's basically either "speak English or go back to where you came from", it's like hard to keep said knowledge

[solid ravine]

i know a bit of spanish too

i can read most of it but i suck at talking in spanish

[tired sage]

i can speak fluent korean but cannot read or write it

[molten oasis]

The rentals are a good place to get ideas for teams and understand team building better

[bold geode]

Sir (or ma'am), I love you
You found the resources
I hope the resources help you out tremendously and if you have any questions, feel free to ask here. Me or anyone else, especially the competitive helpers (orange names) will do our best to give good advice

[molten oasis]

Dude I feel like with a language

[bold geode]

I need Duolingo
That way if I don't learn Spanish, my mother can be kidnapped

[molten oasis]

You’re either good at writing and reading or you’re good at speaking when you start

There is like no in between

[ripe ember]

ya I see them

[charred saddle]

cough cough might i present you my team #rental_teams message

[gentle crag]

abused1 (ID 1060975738678947880)

[Message](#rental_teams message) in #rental_teams
Name : Meta
Format : Reg E
Paste : https://pokepast.es/9dddceb0cd8165ba
Code : JV591P
Notes : https://docs.google.com/document/d/1zdYJuiKiogcL5NydlU4Vka8-B-fXUXlJoqzHLiehwfg/edit?usp=sharing

Command triggered by abused1. Message from · Nov 10, 2023, 6:08 AM

[molten oasis]

Good, hopefully one works out for ya

[charred saddle]

its pretty outdated tho, but its not that hard to pilot around

[bold geode]

I was good at all of it
Like I would make dumbass sayings to help me remember
Like peas were los guisantes, and I'm like "los shaquifa Santas"

[molten oasis]

Lol

[bold geode]

DAMN MY MOM IS RUNNING THROUGH JJK

[charred saddle]

btw drago, i tried your turbogambit

[bold geode]

It sucks right

[molten oasis]

👀

[molten oasis]

Stfu thanks lol

[gentle crag]

drayagedrago has given 1 Gen Rep to dollarmonke

[tired sage]

tera water rilla :0

[molten oasis]

BRUH I MESSED UP

[charred saddle]

i tweaked on it tho, used scarf on lando

[molten oasis]

That is completely fair

[charred saddle]

look, i cant go online in main account okay

[bold geode]

Lmao
Love you

[molten oasis]

Do you think scarf works better?

[charred saddle]

i cant fix the team if i cant go online

[tired sage]

what does that have to with-
oh….

[charred saddle]

it feels more relevant since you can still tera flying blast and get some momentum

[bold geode]

Why can't go there
Did you say a slur on NSO?

[molten oasis]

Literally only did av cuz i was kinda insanely bored of scarf

[charred saddle]

idk, i never tried AV lando before so i might be playingn it wrong

[bold geode]

AV Lando ain't a horrible concept

[charred saddle]

nono, im keeping my eevee event outbreaks. im still shiny hunting

[bold geode]

Oh lmao

[molten oasis]

Av lando is more prepped for the teams that snow can go up

[charred saddle]

yeah, i tried it there but i just cant seem to work it out

[molten oasis]

And it’s a lot bulkier

[bold geode]

"Yeah I was being toxic in Nintendo"

[tired sage]

he wants the personality shiny eevee outbreaks

[charred saddle]

i got mini and jumbo mark tho so heheheh

[molten oasis]

However I think everyone is so adjusted to fast lando it feels super weird d

[charred saddle]

yeah yeah

[bold geode]

But yeah I prefer Scarf on my Lando
Fuck it I'll try the team babe

[molten oasis]

Btw av and I think sitrus were standard reg d

[charred saddle]

its like i have AV lando in back and it gets one shot by an icy wind

[molten oasis]

[bold geode]

Drago you're getting graded tonight

[charred saddle]

well not one shot, but -1 speed and gets hit

[molten oasis]

Like av was like top used item in reg d

[molten oasis]

Why are you switching into icy wind

[charred saddle]

but man, assurance icy wind is very fun haha

[smoky quail]

Hi. Any idea for Flying-type Sweeper? Because Glisor is too broken for being tank and heavy sweeper after correctly Swords Dance and Facade

[bold geode]

Meanwhile me always using scarf cuz Landos speed tier is mid

[molten oasis]

Shit hurts everything lmao

[charred saddle]

i thought its AV

[bold geode]

Format?

[charred saddle]

so at least live a bit yk

[molten oasis]

Lol

I mean you still shouldn’t switch it into icy wind anyway

[bold geode]

Drago you wanna get in a VC later when I do play?

[tired sage]

tera flying lambo or tera flying rm…
but…
uhh…

[molten oasis]

If I’m not asleep

[bold geode]

Flying Lambo?

[molten oasis]

Yo Lambo goes crazy

[bold geode]

I love using Lamborus Therian

[tired sage]

lando-

[molten oasis]

Monke you didn’t hear about the new meta threat Lamborous?

(We joke)

[bold geode]

But here lately Lamborus I has been picking up

[charred saddle]

yeah learned it the hard way

[molten oasis]

Lol

[bold geode]

I'm sorry Mumu we joke here

And I couldn't pass that one up

[smoky quail]

Single Format. However, I don't use any Legendary or Minor Legendary, based on Gym Leader.

[tired sage]

no no i know

[bold geode]

Then I can't help sorry

[molten oasis]

But yes the AV for my lando is because of your access to screens

Lando can safely switch into MOST things without taking too much damage

[bold geode]

Just a Lamborghini with Lando legs in the air

[charred saddle]

except icy wind

[molten oasis]

I think it takes specs Tera fsiry moonblast pretty well

[charred saddle]

that -1 speed lando haunts me to this day

[molten oasis]

No shit Sherlock lol

[charred saddle]

dude av lando is very slow and feels weird to me haha

gets outsped by so many mons that i thought i can just get away with

[molten oasis]

Well that’s what we get for running scarf and ONLY scarf in reg e

[charred saddle]

yeah yeha haha

[tired sage]

singles huh…
hawlucha does okay with its signature…
jugulis is another option cause it’s pretty fast…

[charred saddle]

i came in reg E so..

[molten oasis]

I was like, lando can run other items

[tired sage]

reg d don’t lie

[molten oasis]

So like, av lando sounds good

Also not being locked into shit feels great

[charred saddle]

yeah yeah

[molten oasis]

I might take kingbundle into Tommy’s tomorrow but I kinda want a stress free day tomorrow

Tommy Tuesdays is a tournament held every Tuesday for those who don’t know

[bold geode]

I need to edit Lamborus Therian

[chrome knot]

i wish my team didnt taek 2504939resets to produce

i need to practice it before pc next weekend

[molten oasis]

What needs so many resets?

Oh you’re doing tr right?

[chrome knot]

0spe shiny indeedee

[marble coral]

Pouty in tourny tomorrow!!

[molten oasis]

[chrome knot]

look where ping @molten oasis

[bold geode]

It's ok Emmie
You're cute
Kinda stinky though

[charred saddle]

my bane of existence 0a0s shiny indeedeeF breed

[molten oasis]

That sounds like agony

[charred saddle]

ive went 1.2k eggs no shiny

[molten oasis]

[next stump]

RIP 91% of people would have the shiny by now

[tired sage]

at least you didn’t suffer like nova did tho…

[molten oasis]

Real

What happened to Nova?

[charred saddle]

even if i do get the shiny, is it female tho
and is it 0a0s

thats the hell

[next stump]

you can guarantee 0a0s right?

with the power items

[molten oasis]

I believe so?

That sounds right at least

[charred saddle]

no, best you can do is destiny knot on one, and power item.

you cant do 2 power item

[nocturne holly]

0a0? Please inform my unculturedness

[charred saddle]

im choosing 0s as the power item isnce 0a isnt as relevant as speed haha

[next stump]

if both parents have 0a0s, and you have a power item for attack or speed, wouldn't that guarantee 0a/0s?

[charred saddle]

0 attack, 0 speed

[next stump]

or am i missing something

[tired sage]

uh…
10K eggs for shiny hisui zorua

[dull haven]

A corresponding power item will hold a 0 stat when breeding

[charred saddle]

cant have both parents hold 2 power item

[molten oasis]

BRUH

[dull haven]

But only one

[molten oasis]

THATS AWFUL LUCK

[tired sage]

ikr

[charred saddle]

so yeah, speed power item in 1 parent, and destiny knot in one

[molten oasis]

I went through like 2k alolan vulpix eggs and got nothing

So I just gave up and traded for one

[tired sage]

i mean he got shiny snowpix 32 eggs in right after

[molten oasis]

Wtf

[dull haven]

To get 0 a and 0 speed you'd want to have two parents with the 0a and 0s and breed with a Destiny Knot and a Power item lol

[molten oasis]

Well that makes up for it

Now I will always have Ruby the Alolan Ninetales

And will feature a team with it every reg, I think

[charred saddle]

yeah

so its a roll on shiny, gender and then 0a0s

[dull haven]

I know

[charred saddle]

it sucks, but the day is near. i can feel it

[molten oasis]

Real

[dull haven]

DCH as well as Mod, lol

[charred saddle]

yep

[dull haven]

Breeding is just, a lot of RNG lol

[charred saddle]

imagine me hitting the shiny, female, 0a0s and 4 best

the dream

[dull haven]

Female vulpix is easier to get

Gender 25% male, 75% female

Gender ratio's for them, so it's not too hard to get a female

[charred saddle]

oh nono, not vulpix. indeedee, its 5050 so its not that bad

[dull haven]

Oh

[bold geode]

Damn Khuja visits again

[dull haven]

Yeah Indeedee is rough depending on the RNG but 50/50 isn't that bad either to be honest

[bold geode]

Did someone make the fuck up

[charred saddle]

yep yep

[molten oasis]

No she’s teaching things about breeding

[dull haven]

The shiny I want has a 12.5% to be female

[charred saddle]

its you, ur fucked up

[bold geode]

Oh ok
I was starting to say "I was only gone a minute fuck"

[charred saddle]

eevee?

[dull haven]

Nah, everyone is being good so far

[dull haven]

Yep

[charred saddle]

[molten oasis]

[charred saddle]

goodluck on that

[dull haven]

The starters have that same percentage though

[charred saddle]

i did somehow get 2 female personality marks tho haha

the event outbreaks are nice

[dull haven]

Wild hunting is easier

I breed for mine

[charred saddle]

oh yeah yeah, since hunting is easier to reset

[dull haven]

But mine has the added will take forever because on top of wanting female, I want it to have perfect 6 IVs lol

[charred saddle]

holy hell

thats…

[dull haven]

Yep

[charred saddle]

goodluck

[dull haven]

Been working on it since Febuary, she still hasn't come home and any of the 5 IV shinies I've hatched I've given away lol

[next stump]

what are the odds of that?

[charred saddle]

@thorny beacon see this? this is

passion

[next stump]

512 x 32 x 2?

[dull haven]

512 x 32 x 8

[tired sage]

how many eggs have you hatched?
:0

[charred saddle]

12k

[tired sage]

[dull haven]

A lot, it's not something I count

Counting is an easy way to discourage yourself

And Eevee also has the egg steps right under dragon

So dragon steps are 40 cycles to hatch, Eevee sits at 35

[nocturne holly]

what does that mean

i just bottle cap shit and call it a day

they should add an auto shiny maker thing

[dull haven]

8,739–8,995 steps means it takes this many steps to hatch

[nocturne holly]

like so you don’t have to breed at all
and a gender changer

[worn hill]

eevee hatch cycle sucks fr

[next stump]

such a comp player take hahaha

[dull haven]

I'm a breeder, so I don't bottle cap what I can breed because I control the IVs already

At least to a point, with two 6 IV parents and a Destiny Knot you're guarenteed a 5 IV hatch every time

[charred saddle]

and hypertrain is weird looking. i like best

[dull haven]

Also my feelings

[worn hill]

HyperTraining is to long and ugly

[charred saddle]

and then theres shorty. no good haha

[charred saddle]

🤝

[worn hill]

6 no good looks cool af

[charred saddle]

thats true

[dull haven]

That are fun to breed but head-achy since you're going in reverse so to speak lol

[charred saddle]

“oh man, its 5 no goods.”

[worn hill]

i already have both 6 no good opp gender parents so not to bad

[dull haven]

I do have my memevee which is just a non-shiny 6 NG Eevee lol

[worn hill]

just have to wait for 1/32 chance for no good and 1/512 for shiny

[charred saddle]

only 1.5k
only

[dull haven]

But 0 (NG) is functional on some mons depending where it falls lol

Like if a Modest Eevee is Best in all IVs but a 0 in ATK for instance, it's a functional 6 IV in that case

[solid ravine]

usually for foul play or tr mons yea

[dull haven]

Mhm

[worn hill]

yea no good is basically a best

[charred saddle]

and you can always hypertrain the 0 haha

no good > best

[dull haven]

'cause the 5 IV 0 atk you can evolve to Sylveon and it's functional

[worn hill]

foul play would not do much cause fairy type already but yea

[dull haven]

Mhm

[worn hill]

esp be better but meh syv works

[dull haven]

Also if you got the 0 in atk, you take less damage from smacking yourself when confused

[tired sage]

yep…
but it confuses me as to why flatter exists
flatter boosts SpA but it doesn’t make you hit yourself harder-

[charred saddle]

but yeah, foul play and confusion isnt prevalent anyway, so its not worth going for it, if you dont have the resources of ditto anyway

[dull haven]

Maybe so, but still good to know reguardless

[karmic temple]

That’s what you think until you run into my swagger illumise and mirror herb sneasler!!

[tired sage]

i’ve seen worse-
swagger prankster and mirror herb lando…
that confused and scared the hecc out of me

[bold geode]

I didn't know this
Thankfully in comp, confusion doesn't matter basically at all

[gentle crag]

dollarmonke has given 1 Gen Rep to khuja_aliapoh

[bold geode]

Like if you're fishing for confusion damage, you already lost

[tired sage]

it does if you get really unlucky and lose 2 games in a row due to para and confusion

[dull haven]

It's something we explain over in breeding when people asks the purposes of Zero stats, so it's just one of the things we go over lol

[charred saddle]

yeah, i thought 0sp atk is useless till rubi explained WP trigger with special attacks

its niche tho, but its there

[dull haven]

Mhm

[tired sage]

wait what triggers with 0SpA-?

[charred saddle]

i mean triggering weakness policy with 0 special attack IVs

[tired sage]

oh

[charred saddle]

ie. watergun

[tired sage]

:0

[charred saddle]

so thus far, the useful 0 IVs are 0a, 0spa, 0s

i dont see any reason for others at least

maybe just like zygarde 50% hp trigger

[strange fjord]

Last gen, saw someone use Vacuum Wave Hitmonchan for WP set up.

On Dialga that is

The other VERY niche 0 IVs on Def and Sp. Def is Shedinja to avoid Ditto/Mew into transforming into it without too much bulk.

[ripe ember]

tough choices to make my team

[charred saddle]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2023regulatione-2004988522

[molten oasis]

What’s tough about it so far?

[ripe ember]

can only fit so many of them

[molten oasis]

Ah fair

[fluid wind]

https://pokepast.es/aecc72a0fd9d44e0

[radiant ferry]

Anyone good with teambuilding willing to help me build my first competitive team?

[deep sparrow]

https://pokepast.es/10117fbe8dc1898e (don’t pay attention to stats). Considering dropping Ogerpon for amoongus. Thoughts?

[charred saddle]

i like amoonguss there, more annoying to deal with. and having spores is very nice

amoonguss IH is very annoying duo haha

[cyan smelt]

how come single target e-force didn't knock out sylveon?

ladder is bullshit

[dapper crag]

Pokémon No. 700: Sylveon

Type

Fairy

Abilities

Cute Charm, Pixilate (Hidden)

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

95/65/65/110/130/60

Total

525

SableyeBot version 4.24.4

[charred saddle]

130 sp def + 95 hp

[dapper crag]

Pokémon No. 936: Armarouge

Types

Fire/Psychic

Abilities

Flash Fire, Weak Armor (Hidden)

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

85/60/100/125/80/75

Total

525

SableyeBot version 4.24.4

[cyan smelt]

yeah but 125 sp atk and psychic terrain and single target

i lost to a dice roll

[charred saddle]

nono i meant like, damn sylveon is tanky as hell

didnt expect it to be that tanky

[cyan smelt]

so many tryhard losers on the ladder

i'm fucking sick of imprison flutter mane

so many losers are running imprison flutter mane and wide guard armarouge

[mellow barn]

How are my comp friends doing?

[dull ibex]

Hi

I would prefer we don't use tryhard loser when talking about ranked players please

[dull ibex]

Tired

[mellow barn]

[dull ibex]

Thanks

[mellow barn]

Soon... the chaos will ensue when DLC drops... people will go running new builds in casual games... all for building a meta viable team for ladder...

[pseudo wigeon]

Would someone here be able to help me teambuild a team from scratch? I have a MSS coming up near me I want to attend to.

Preferably voice chat building

[next stump]

are you newer to VGC?

[crude oasis]

I need help making a Trick room Team

Anyone?

[bright spire]

Time to breed pawniard

[pseudo wigeon]

Somewhat!

[pseudo wigeon]

Would you like to help?

[mighty stump]

What are you thinking

[keen karma]

Did yall know apparently toadscruel gets tr

[next stump]

i don’t voice call but if you want to chat in here, i’d be happy to give some teambuilding ideas. I really recommend starting with some rental teams if you haven’t already though to get a feel for what play style clicks with you

[pseudo wigeon]

Eh not looking for ideas, someone to build properly with

[next stump]

that’s all teambuilding is though… testing ideas

and seeing if they work

unless you mean the physical process of building a team in game (breeding, EV training, etc.)

[bright spire]

[keen karma]

Man im not gonna be able to make this team in time

Oh well

Ig ill just use a rental

[nocturne holly]

For what?

[keen karma]

The tournament today

Tommy tuesday

[nocturne holly]

There’s a tourney today? lol

[keen karma]

Yes

[nocturne holly]

I gotta do some tourneys

[keen karma]

This is probably gonna be my first decent sized tourney

[mighty stump]

I think they might be looking for a group/partner or something

If I had to guess the wording

[dull haven]

I wish you luck

[dull ibex]

hello I return

[mighty stump]

Damn

Why

[dull ibex]

why what?

why did I return? to make a vc

[mighty stump]

damn

why

[keen karma]

Im raiding your vc

[dull ibex]

nobody likes you JK

[keen karma]

😔