competitive_discussion

[dull ibex]

thats wack use 2 like a normal human being

[keen karma]

do you guys use spotify

[mighty stump]

I just got my spotify wrapped

[tired sage]

umbre supports are… basic

[keen karma]

show

[mighty stump]

90k minutes

[keen karma]

this is mine

[bold geode]

You basic white boy

[keen karma]

i only have 5k i dont use spotify

[bold geode]

Listening to all that Imagine Dragons

[keen karma]

i use youtube website

[mighty stump]

ok Monke

[dull ibex]

im not a loser I dont use spotify 😎

[dull ibex]

COMING FROM YOU???????

[mighty stump]

Unlike sheep I like what I like

[bold geode]

Tbf mines probably like Eminem or some shit

[mighty stump]

jshdjsh

[keen karma]

im pretty sure apple music dropped something too

[dull ibex]

"basic white boy"
eminem

[bold geode]

I bet you listen to absolute trash

[dull ibex]

I listen to covers mostly

[mighty stump]

Video Game BGMs

[keen karma]

fuji kaze valid

[dull ibex]

I dont funny enough

[bold geode]

I bet Red's Spotify Wrapped is fucking cursed

[mighty stump]

Send yours Monke

[dull ibex]

last time i had one it was poppy and linkin park because im basic

[bold geode]

Send link again lmao

[dull ibex]

but ill be damned if I let that embarass me lmao

[keen karma]

ehh nowadays its just drake and taylor swift is all i hear

[bold geode]

I forgot where I go for that shit

[mighty stump]

? Open it from ur own Spotify

[bold geode]

Oh I'm a dumbass

[mighty stump]

Speaking of

[dull ibex]

anti hero is pretty good tbh

[bold geode]

Burn it with fire

[mighty stump]

Good Kid and Khai Dreams, nice

[chrome knot]

what were you speaking of

[mighty stump]

Mimi’s Delivery Service is a banger

[chrome knot]

o yes it is

[dull ibex]

currently im listening to a cover of toxic by britney spears

good cover its a rock version

[mighty stump]

Its Pop Goes Punk isnt it

[dull ibex]

Not anymore

im not 16 anymore sadly

[mighty stump]

Sadge

[dull ibex]

its by rain paris

[keen karma]

midddd besides khai

[dull ibex]

ive been binging covers by first to eleven of katy pery songs

[chrome knot]

who?

[keen karma]

asked

[chrome knot]

yeah stfu you have a jjk pfp

[dull ibex]

Djkqwell;qwkejqw

god damn

[chrome knot]

quit talkin to me ur lower on the list😭😭😭

[bold geode]

Ew nvm wtf is mine
(Slackjaw is an eh metal band I listen to ignore that)

[chrome knot]

ily lets kiss

[dull ibex]

honestly based

oh also 8bit covers are fire

[bold geode]

Yeah but like
I didn't think the basic white bitch I got some music from affected my Spotify that much

[dull ibex]

I am not really a music person tbh

I am into finnster vods rn because him and girlfriend are adorable

[bold geode]

Like I haven't listened to Pierce the Veil in probably months
Also I have listened to "I don't care if you're contagious" by them more than Dive In

[bold geode]

[keen karma]

jjk is anime of the year

[bold geode]

Also @mighty stump I'm surprised Cupid ain't on mine lmao

[dull ibex]

OH dude I finally heard my ordinary life by living tombstone

[keen karma]

...

[dull ibex]

that shit slaps

[bold geode]

You haven't before?

[dull ibex]

Not in full no

[chrome knot]

lie of the year maybe

[bold geode]

Idk the opening for that past Gojo arc I believe
Damn

[dull ibex]

I knew it as the vs. edit song lmao

[bold geode]

Bro watches YouTube Shorts and it shows

[dull ibex]

I do yeah

[keen karma]

wally west theme

[bold geode]

That is used for like ALL OF THEM lmao

[dull ibex]

I don't need a seperate app for my shorts

I need to get off X again

[bold geode]

They all use like the same 5-6 songs lmao

[dull ibex]

X is brainrot and discourse for the sake of it

[summer shore]

Winton

[bold geode]

Shiro

Mmmmm Winton

[dull ibex]

im considering playing OW again

[bold geode]

Why

[dull ibex]

wtf else am i gonna do

[polar canyon]

Real

[bold geode]

Touch grass maybe

[dull ibex]

and do what

[bold geode]

Actually touch grass for once

[dull ibex]

go talk to people?

I can't cook an egg without getting too much anxiety to touch a pan

[bold geode]

Yeah
Or maybe clean the roaches out of your Roblox gaming room

[smoky hawk]

I just froze an iron bundle with my iron bundle

[polar canyon]

I thought the ow2 is literally ow1 joke was poking fun at how similar they are but then I saw that my physical copy of overwatch was playing ow2 on the ps4

[dull ibex]

what roblox room?

[bold geode]

You know which one

[chrome knot]

more of a tokyo revengers girl sorry

[keen karma]

😂

[dull ibex]

no please tell me loser

[bold geode]

Tokyo Girlboss

[dull ibex]

L bozo go be funnier

[chrome knot]

yes ma’am

[dull ibex]

alright its time chat

another cringe redington Take

im a jojo's fan

[keen karma]

its cool ig

[bold geode]

Cringe

[dull ibex]

ig thats not worse then being a fnaf lore nerd so

[bold geode]

Tbf I've never watched JoJo's solely for the reason it's popular

Like I feel like it's probably overhyped and I'm gonna be disappointed

[dull ibex]

Horror has been cool this year

[keen karma]

Jjk is just too good rn

[dull ibex]

alot of decent analog horror, the fnaf movie slapped, saw X was really good

[keen karma]

Season 2 is literally peak fiction

[dull ibex]

I dont watch anime so

[chrome knot]

its fun

[bold geode]

What's JoJo's

[chrome knot]

my favourite shows are girls kissing

[bold geode]

What is that

[dull ibex]

I dont follow

[bold geode]

🙏

[dull ibex]

oh monke you numbskull I can like an anime and not actively watch anime

[bold geode]

Sure bud
You watch anime don't you Squidward

[dull ibex]

its one of 10 at most anime's i've ever seen

death note is also pretty pog

[bold geode]

Never watched Death Note

[chrome knot]

#1 show gotta go to Spongebob

[dull ibex]

nothing was as good of a investment of time as brooklyn 99

[solid ravine]

Mmmmm Winton

[dull ibex]

that show was fantastic

[bold geode]

Honestly yeah
Best anime is Spongebob

[bold geode]

[gentle crag]

dollarmonke has given 1 Gen Rep to pajamasock

[solid ravine]

nya

[gentle crag]

pajamasock has given 1 Gen Rep to dollarmonke

[dull ibex]

also wrestling

wrestling is fun

[smoky hawk]

Another armadee falls:
https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2023regulatione-2001152687

[chrome knot]

a lot of questions raised

[polar canyon]

Maushold kinda awesome

[mighty stump]

@bold geode Its Where Our Blue Is by Tatsuya Kitani

[bold geode]

Yeah that one

[dull ibex]

@bold geode this is from summer

This is the only music recap I have

[bold geode]

Nah lmao

[dull ibex]

nah what?

@keen karma its off meta btw

thats the term you mean, off meta

The opposite metagame of playing a relatively unknown strategy for surprisal

the stuff people use isnt anti meta, its off-meta

[keen karma]

what is

[dull ibex]

Already said

[keen karma]

there is both anti meta and off meta

[dull ibex]

Alright

[keen karma]

off meta is just any random mon

anti meta are mons like mence and stuff like that

i think at least

[mighty stump]

Most anti-meta mons are off-meta, but not all off-meta mons are anti-meta

[keen karma]

yeah he said it better

[keen karma]

mence is anti-meta right

its not off meta because its not really a gimmick?

[mighty stump]

Eh

Anti-Meta to me is also like, its hard counter to the metagame

Brambleghast feels like a real anti-meta pick

Mence just feels like it had a niche

So

[keen karma]

is it even good rn

oh like fari too right?

[mighty stump]

Like most of these mons just have a niche so

Anti Prio for Fari

Mence is an intimidator that can Tailwind and resist Urshifu

[keen karma]

actually what is your opinion on tsareena

[mighty stump]

A worse Farigiraf that folds in front of Tornadus

[keen karma]

it top 11ed the tommy tuesday yesterday

[mighty stump]

But at least it resists Urshifu

[keen karma]

it also beats most booster speed flutters

[mighty stump]

? How?

[keen karma]

3hko from moonblast unless they tera

[mighty stump]

Oh that's what you mean

[keen karma]

and 2hkos flutter with seed

unless you dont consider that beating

[mighty stump]

I mean

Eh

That just feels like a very neutral interaction

With Booster Spe I thought you implied it was outspeeding or something

With TW

and I got mildly confused

[keen karma]

ohh

no

[smoky hawk]

I can't stand when the opponent is clearly playing the game worse but wins due to luck

[keen karma]

this is what i mea

but it also is slow so 🥶

[mighty stump]

Unfortunate

[chrome knot]

omg is that a cuter vgc fork of showdown calc

[neon sparrow]

Hey I just wanted to ask, what pokemon do you guys think I should start looking for, I want a well rounded pokemon aka fast, bulky, & strong yet I'm not sure which pokemon I should look for that fits that description.

[keen karma]

are leaks allowed in the chat

[mellow barn]

How's it going with comp side?

[neon sparrow]

Can someone please answer my question? I seriously need good recommendations for strong & bulky yet still fast pokemon.

I'm kinda like stupid & don't know which pokemon to look for.

[keen karma]

first make your team

[neon sparrow]

I have, I need a good recommendation for my final pokemon who I intend to be my ace.

If you want I can show you the team I've been using so far.

[tired sage]

well we need to see what your team is gonna be made up of first…
that way we can help out with what might be better, etc

[neon sparrow]

Alright hold on.

So far it's pretty well rounded, but I see a few flaws.

Give me a second my violet is starting up.

[mighty stump]

Yep

[mighty stump]

Is this for competitive?

[neon sparrow]

Yes & for regular play aswell technically, since I find it easier to have competitively viable pokemon to sweep the campaign with.

[mighty stump]

What format

[neon sparrow]

1v1

[mighty stump]

Singles

Do you hvae a Pokepaste

[neon sparrow]

The hell is a pokepaste?

[mighty stump]

and by 1v1 do you mean one pokemon on the field or 1 player.

[neon sparrow]

I have never heard that term before.

[neon sparrow]

1 pokemon on the field.

[karmic temple]

Special glue made out of Pokémon

[mighty stump]

The main way of rating competitive teams

well, to share them

[neon sparrow]

Oh, yeah no I don't have one.

[mighty stump]

https://play.pokemonshowdown.com/teambuilder use this

make one

[neon sparrow]

I am brand new to the competitive scene really.

[keen karma]

https://vxtwitter.com/hsinhsung9487/status/1729709625853739082?s=20

[chrome knot]

A this is spoilers B this is false

[mighty stump]

This chat is a spoiler city

well, non-spoiler safe

[keen karma]

i dont think this is false

[mighty stump]

non-spoiler non-safe?

[mighty stump]

Anubis mentioned it was false

Which is more reputable as a source

[neon sparrow]

How do I find out my fucking EVs?

[keen karma]

ohk

[mighty stump]

You'd have trained them yourself, or you compare your base stats and increase the slider incrementally

[keen karma]

what is their twt

[mighty stump]

Until it matches your stats

[neon sparrow]

It doesn't show the exact stats though on the website.

[keen karma]

wait actually how tf are they gonna distribute kubfu/urshifu

[mighty stump]

Levels are set tio 50/100

And your IVs are probably non-best

[placid thorn]

C'mon lads successfully registered for liverpool

[keen karma]

kubfu requires the scrolls and ig they could make it so that they are obtainable in different games

[mighty stump]

the scrolls are in game via the auction house

the first time you transfer a kubfu/urshifu

[keen karma]

you can change shifu's form?

[mighty stump]

You cant change forms but you get the evolution item as key items.

[keen karma]

oh alr

so i wasted my time climbing a tower yesterday

[neon sparrow]

Dude, it doesn't show me the exact IVs just if it's good, no good, etc.

Doesn't show me exacts.

[charred saddle]

calc it in showdown

[keen karma]

look at the stat values

[mighty stump]

All you care about is Best or No Good

So thats what it has to be.

[mellow barn]

Nice!

[charred saddle]

and since you are capping it just do all 31 / best

[neon sparrow]

Also sorry for being extremely stupid, I have never tried to make an actual competitively viable team before, so I'm kinda new to this.

[mighty stump]

Its fine

[neon sparrow]

Welp none of it is best.

[mighty stump]

Bottle cap it

[neon sparrow]

What does bottle capping do again?

[mighty stump]

Turn your IV into Best i.e. 31

[charred saddle]

go to montenevera, then go to the guy beside the tree to bottle cap

[neon sparrow]

Ah, K.

[charred saddle]

the one with abomasnow iirc

[neon sparrow]

Does it need to be holding the bottle cap or do I actually like use it on him?

[mighty stump]

No

Just talk to the guy in Montonevera

[neon sparrow]

Alright.

[mighty stump]

https://www.vgcguide.com/intro I recommend reading this. Despite the focus on doubles, the basis is the same

[neon sparrow]

Alrighty.

Thanks for the help btw. I really do appreciate it.

[mighty stump]

No worries

[neon sparrow]

Where do i get more bottle caps?

[charred saddle]

raids and shop

[mighty stump]

^

[charred saddle]

you can buy them in shops for 25k iirc

[neon sparrow]

Oh, that's actually pretty cheap.

[mighty stump]

Sometimes the auction house also gets Gold Bottle Caps but those are a lot more expensive

[charred saddle]

gold caps are not worth the price

so wouldnt recommend it personally

[neon sparrow]

Wait are you saying it's sold in the poke mart or some other shop I don't know about?

[charred saddle]

gold caps basically are caps, but auto on all stats.

Cap, you only make 1 of each stat

[neon sparrow]

Wait nope I'm stupid.

It's in the poke mart.

I am so blind.

Wait a sec no it isn't, I was looking at sell 🤡

[neon sparrow]

Oh, thanks.

I am sorry for being such a pain.

[mighty stump]

Not necessary to apologise

[neon sparrow]

Hey what's the most competitively viable nature for a Ceruledge?

[mighty stump]

Adamant.

[neon sparrow]

I kinda feel like it is. I am kinda wasting your time almost with stupid questions.

[mighty stump]

Not really a waste of time, its what the area is for

[neon sparrow]

Frick, mine's Brave.

[fallen rivet]

Nah dw

[mighty stump]

You can just use Mints to alter the nature.

[neon sparrow]

Oh wait true.

[mighty stump]

The wording won't change, but the stats will reflect the minted nature.

[fallen rivet]

Idk why they didn’t call it adamint

[neon sparrow]

I forgot I have like 30 different mints.

Along with an ability patch.

[fallen rivet]

Gen 8 was such a blessing for competitive

[neon sparrow]

Agressively looks at Urshifu, Zacian, Eternatus, Feathers, & Mints.

Weren't feathers introduced in gen 8?

Alright my Ceruledge is now entirely Hyper Trained.

Now time for my raichu

[mighty stump]

I do want you to temper your expectations around what is competitively viable and not

Ceruledge and Raichu are outwith the metagame

[neon sparrow]

I know, but my Raichu & Ceruledge have proven themselves to be god tier for no good reason, my Raichu nearly beat a Tera Miraidon boosted while said Raichu was one hit away from death.

& Ceruledge has just basically swept every single person I've encountered so far.

I don't know why but they're like good for no good reason.\

[placid thorn]

It might work sometimes on cart

But neither is good to be honest

[mighty stump]

I mean

Casual battles aren’t representative

[placid thorn]

If you're new to this it's best to use a proper rental and practice a lot with it

[mighty stump]

It might be the case due to your limited exposure that it seems like these choices can work

and I do not deny that they can

But once youre faced with current meta teams

Success will be few and far in between

[placid thorn]

Yea that sums it up

[neon sparrow]

I know, but I have a secret trick up my sleeve called RANDOM BULLSHIT!

[mighty stump]

Yeah that doesn’t work either cause of power creep

and mild awareness of potential sets

[neon sparrow]

No-one with half a brain cell would expect what I have in store for them now, I've decided what my final pokemon is going to be.

Iron Valiant.

Though in retrospect it might be good to have a ground type, but you know, fuck it we ball.

I quite literally do not care at this point, this stuff confusing as shite

I know I'll likely get swept but I'll never learn if I don't make some mistakes right?

[placid thorn]

You do you bro

[neon sparrow]

It's best to start off with a bad team instead of a really good one so that way I can learn more from my mistakes and stuff, atleast that's how my severely sleep deprived and mentally ill brain perceives it.

[placid thorn]

It's better to start with a good team mate

Most games you will just get powercrept

[neon sparrow]

I'm sorry if it seems like I have just completely thrown your advice to the wayside, I haven't. I just can't be bothered to make something good for ranked just yet, I have headache so I'd end up making the worst team in history probably.

[placid thorn]

Can't really learn much if you're using a bad team to start off

If you wanna play cts bo1 cart ladder and have fun go for it

If you wanna play at a good/high level you have no chance

To each their own fam

[neon sparrow]

Yeah I guess so, I just kinda want to think things through a little bit, for now I think I'll settle on something that'll be good in casuals, since I know for a fact that the people who play ranked have way more time & have studied pokemon way more than I have.

[mighty stump]

The reason why rentals are recommended is that you can take away the inherent problems of a poorly built team and focus on gameplay fundamentals

You can’t learn off of mistakes since you won’t be able to pinpoint exactly where or what went wrong

and again, surprise factor being inherently inconsistent is not a tenet to stick to when learning the hobby

as sucky or monotonous as this all sounds

Its how competitive Pokemon is unfortunately designed

Casuals are also a low-quality metric to use

[neon sparrow]

Tofu, I didn't say that I wasn't going to try and make one that's actually good, I said that at this current moment in time I'm too sleep deprived to really be in the correct headspace to make a good team.

[mighty stump]

Best way to learn is to just hop into Ranked

[mighty stump]

I did not say you weren’t going to try, but teambuilding is a separate skill in itself as well.

[neon sparrow]

I legit stayed up all night at the ER since we though I might have pancreatitis, luckily it wasn't pancreatitis.

[mighty stump]

Proper teams built with reasonable gameplans in mind that can account for the common meta game matchups require just that, analysis

[mellow barn]

Hmm... should I jump the ladder again when the next session comes in? Or wait for the DLC`?

[chrome knot]

next regulation is january

youll be sitting out for awhile

[molten oasis]

What are y’all up to

[mellow barn]

I mean the ladder reset. Sorry

[chrome knot]

oh!

[mellow barn]

Farming money for when DLC comes in.

[molten oasis]

Very nice

[mellow barn]

Problem is do I wanna do Ace or Tera raids 🤔

Been playing PTCGL for awhile but now my PC account is being fuzzy

[molten oasis]

Im not aware of the money grinding strategies so

[mellow barn]

Tera give more stuff and potential money. Ace just gives money and Golden Bottle caps

[chrome knot]

i have 375k in 1 raid as of right now

[karmic temple]

I farm academy with turbo controller while I’m asleep or at work

[mellow barn]

Wish I had turbo controller

[molten oasis]

Imagine having a turbo controller

[mellow barn]

I kinda wanna build Roaring Moon team after playing for while in TCGL

[chrome knot]

omg wanna try my team

[karmic temple]

Honestly the turbo controller was the best money I’ve spent. It makes building Pokémon take so much less time

[molten oasis]

What kind?

If you do acro you could do weezing balance

If you do support you can pair it with dengo

[mighty stump]

Or the secret third option

stay tuned

[molten oasis]

Clear amu ddance?

[mighty stump]

no thats option 1B

[molten oasis]

Lol

Excited to see what you’re cooking per usual

[mighty stump]

This time the sauce is extra spicy, extra special

[molten oasis]

I need to cook something

Some final thing as a rental

[mellow barn]

Honestly I was thinking something the likes of...

Roaring Moon @ Booster Energy
Ability: Protosynthesis
Level: 50
Tera Type: Poison
EVs: 76 HP / 252 Def / 180 Spe
Adamant Nature

• Breaking Swipe
• Tailwind
• Protect
• Knock Off

Bulky Roaring Moon that can decrease physical attackers damage while also getting buffed by booster energy.

[molten oasis]

It ain’t kingbundle after LAST NIGHTS DISSAPOINTMENT

[mighty stump]

Lol

[molten oasis]

(If you didn’t know, bundle missed a VERY important hydro pump)

[mellow barn]

Tofu senpai can you tell me if the idea is even viable?

[molten oasis]

Everything tofu cooks is viable

[mellow barn]

I meant my idea of Roaring Moon

[molten oasis]

Support moon

This is literally support moon

[mellow barn]

Ah

[molten oasis]

I have a rental of this

[gentle crag]

drayagedrago (ID 465881273454559252)

[Message](#rental_teams message) in #rental_teams
Name: DengoMoon Balance
Format: VGC Regulation E
Paste: https://pokepast.es/a602b0a0d06b9b5c
Code: P6P3RV
Hello again! Here is my third rental, this time featuring a returning favorite Thundy T and new favorite of mine being Gholdengo. This team is a focus on balance built around gholdy, and has a little inspiration from Boyt.
Notes: Leads are very flexible, but I like to lead Gholdengo, Rilla, and Moon the most, while keeping Thundy Shifu and Arcanine in the back for defensive plays. This team struggles the most with trick room, which we can play around.
Quick Summaries for mons:
Dengo: Main set up Mon, good into pretty much every archetype but best against balance.
Shifu: Main Mon to close games, good into mane lando, uturn for pivots with rilla and harc, bad into tr, good everywhere else.
Moon: Main support, great Mon to lead with dengo and Thundy. Notably good for torn matchup and armadeedee.
HRK9: Intimidate Mon, Wisp for additional damage reduction+chip damage, notably good into torn and chi flutter.
Rilla: Fake out pressure, meadow plate for extra damage. Good into chi flutter (with Tera), opposing balance.
Thundy T: Surprise Mon of the team, good into torn, shifus, fluttermane. Pretty much just the other offensive pressure Mon.
I hope you enjoy! DM or ping in comp chat if you have questions.

Command triggered by drayagedrago. Message from · Nov 12, 2023, 9:24 AM

[mighty stump]

I mean

the defensive EVs are similar to what I had

But I ran CA DD Moon

Cause otherwise its just

Really fat and not doing much

[molten oasis]

I think a lot of the support mons do max defense

[mighty stump]

Like with Intim around

[molten oasis]

Or just VERY high investment

[mellow barn]

CA`?

[mighty stump]

Support Moon feels like it can be ignored

[molten oasis]

Clear amulet

[mellow barn]

AH

Actually that makes more sense

[molten oasis]

True, knock off still does good damage

[mighty stump]

so imo Moon always needs some degree of offensive investment

[fallen rivet]

Yeah I agree

[mellow barn]

Even as Adamant?

[molten oasis]

Fair

[mellow barn]

So something like this?

[molten oasis]

I think the team I have doesn’t really need attack invest

[mighty stump]

Lemme go see if i can find mine

[fallen rivet]

I think mine is an offensive one wearing support’s clothing

[molten oasis]

Support moon wants be

[molten oasis]

Acro knock off tw?

[mighty stump]

Roaring Moon @ Clear Amulet
Ability: Protosynthesis
Level: 50
Tera Type: Poison
EVs: 164 HP / 4 Atk / 252 Def / 4 SpD / 84 Spe
Adamant Nature

• Dragon Dance
• Knock Off
• Breaking Swipe
• Protect

[fallen rivet]

Nah; Bs, knock, tw, taunt

[molten oasis]

yoink

[mellow barn]

Yoink

[molten oasis]

That’s just support moon lol

[mighty stump]

Only reason its minimal is because you have Ddance

[fallen rivet]

lol

It’s ev’d in max speed, atk, and def

Prob not optimal but those knock offs hit hard

[molten oasis]

Stab Knock off just does a lot from moon in general

[fallen rivet]

Tbh I really made this team for the dlc so I guess I don’t need to be completely optimal

[mellow barn]

I guess other pokemons that can support it are Amonguss Sinicha etc.?

[mighty stump]

I might as well pass you my paste i guess

[molten oasis]

[keen karma]

Is iron bundle shifu torn and brambleghast good

[mellow barn]

Thank you

[gentle crag]

theipex has given 1 Gen Rep to woodtofu

[keen karma]

Or is that not a bramble team

[mighty stump]

https://pokepast.es/896ab5f1d81aa2b7

Have fun

[molten oasis]

Iron bundle bad

Inconsistent dumb dumb

[fallen rivet]

As an iron bundle user, yes

[mellow barn]

Yeah that makes sens

[keen karma]

Not for me

My moves always hit

[fallen rivet]

Good point (I have skill issues)

[mellow barn]

I caved in and ordered the turbo controller

[fallen rivet]

I should probably get a Bluetooth controller cuz my switch lite’s joycons are going out

[molten oasis]

🤝

Lost potential to top cut a tournament yesterday because of a hydro miss

[fallen rivet]

Dern

[keen karma]

Dw

Next time im competing and ill give you the free win (i suck)

[molten oasis]

Lmao

I want to replace bundle

But NOTHING fills the role that bundle is for gambit so

Stuck with dumb dumb dumble

[fallen rivet]

I just replaced mine with farigiraf then gholdengo

But it had a different role probably

[neon sparrow]

Hey, just wanted to ask what's the best move set for iron valiant?

[fallen rivet]

Depends on what role you want it for. I typically run a mixed set of Destiny bond, cc, moonblast, and psyshock in singles

[neon sparrow]

It's probs gonna be a sweeper, I'd prefer to make it a mixed attacker though.

[fallen rivet]

Yeah something similar to what I have then

[neon sparrow]

Fuck, I just realized I need to level her up...

I don't have access to really any of her good moves.

[molten oasis]

Dumble is threatening ground and fire types to protect gambit

And is clicking icy wind to proc assurance

[keen karma]

I was thinking wouldnt armadd + talon be good

[smoky hawk]

I have come to the conclusion that everyone should have trick room + imprison on their team

No other way to deal with mental herb TR users, especially in the case of anti-prio pokemon like farigarif and indeedee

[mellow barn]

Flutter Mane support?

[keen karma]

Yeah there is

[smoky hawk]

That's what I use. It has sash

[smoky hawk]

No more reliable way tho

[mellow barn]

With Protect and Moonblast?

[mighty stump]

If youre running Imprison TR you dont get to run protect

[mellow barn]

Then what would you run with them?

[bold geode]

Yeah
Idk I just also try to play inside TR vs preventing it
If you're not doing TW HO and your team can't play a little inside TR, then that's kinda shaky

[keen karma]

There are many reliable ways

[keen karma]

Opin on mimikyu

[bold geode]

Also Topaz I'm sorry but Tera Dragon Mane makes me wanna do unspeakable things

Like that's probably one of the worse mons to put it on
And I'd know, I'm a Tera Dragon guy

[smoky hawk]

Yet you still haven't told me any

[smoky hawk]

It's the best defensive tera right now

[keen karma]

On specific mons

[bold geode]

Not for Flutter

[smoky hawk]

That has been my experience

[keen karma]

Flutter doesnt even need the defensive anyways

[dull ibex]

🍵

[keen karma]

Just run fairy or water

[bold geode]

Like oh hey I Shadow Balled it with my Flutter
They lived cuz Dragon Tera
Lemme Moonblast it

[keen karma]

And it also enables enemy dragon mons

[dull ibex]

Monke thats a bad example

[smoky hawk]

Enemy dragon mons like.... oh wait, that type is almost non-existent right now

[dull ibex]

Oh look the opposing mane gleamed I should live it but I don't because dragon tera

[smoky hawk]

Chien pao might be a good argument though

[keen karma]

Ill leave it to you to figure that out

[smoky hawk]

K. I'll ignore your opinion then

[dull ibex]

Hey no offense but this is a great way to get ignored.

[strange fjord]

Been tweeking this team for a bit now. Any thoughts on moves/tera/items changes? https://pokepast.es/d1e7f81737171ff9

[keen karma]

Thats fine by me

[dull ibex]

Why contribute to a conversation if you can not help someone

[smoky hawk]

Then I wouldn't tera

[keen karma]

Imprison is by no means at all the best way to counter trick room

[smoky hawk]

Or I could if I suspect a shadow ball

[dull ibex]

It's genuinely just not a very good idea

[keen karma]

Mental herb

1. My playstyle is likely different
2. My teams are usually never problematic into those matchups

[dull ibex]

Dragon is good on things that want to resist the things dragon does which is not mane

[smoky hawk]

You guys don't know how many times I survived because of dragon tera

[dull ibex]

Survived what

[smoky hawk]

Especially with urshifu everywhere. Don't knock it till you try it

[keen karma]

Mainly to resist fwg i think

[dull ibex]

Shadow ball is lived by fairy Tera regardless

[smoky hawk]

Now that I switched from specs to sash I am considering fairy tera

But before dragon worked nicely

[keen karma]

If anything fire tera would likely be better

[dull ibex]

Specs mane especially wants fairy

Anyways topaz

[keen karma]

With dragon you are making matchups you are bad into worse

[dull ibex]

What are you trying to counter that you weren't giving ways too?

[keen karma]

Like chien pao

[keen karma]

Trick room and he says imprison is the only good way

[dull ibex]

That's just objectively false

[smoky hawk]

You mean the prevalent scarf water urshifus and rilla grassy glides?

[keen karma]

I dont even use imprison so i cant even refute it

[smoky hawk]

I do just fine there

[dull ibex]

You could stall out trick room, resetting it is more reliable, playing inside isn't hard for non hyper offense.

[keen karma]

Well i mean are you running speed booster

Or spA

[dull ibex]

If you're hyper offense I recommend amoongus or hands to improve your tr match up

[keen karma]

And more protects

Tr matchups with ho you wanna go for double protects to stall the tr out

[smoky hawk]

I was running specs

[keen karma]

Yeah im not a fan of specs

[smoky hawk]

I wasn't either in half my games

[dull ibex]

Specs is the best on mane

[keen karma]

I personally think booster is better

[keen karma]

That may be true but its personal preference for me

I think that booster speed is best for me often

[smoky hawk]

Specs mane can OHKO torn and hearth oger but the latter has dropped in usage

[dull ibex]

My team resets tr 😎

[mellow barn]

There are many ways to run Mane. There isn't specifc build that rules them all. Just take a look at Hisuain Arcanine

[keen karma]

Flutter already does more than enough with bulk and speed boost

[dull ibex]

Harc has a dominant build though

The vast majority are banded

[mellow barn]

That is true, but depending on team, meta and player it can be build differently.

[dull ibex]

That's true of all meta mons

[mellow barn]

[dull ibex]

But specs mane tend to be better overall imo

[mellow barn]

Perhaps, but that's up to the players that use them

[keen karma]

Its team dependent

[dull ibex]

Yes. Doyle. I. Said. That.

[keen karma]

Oops

Wait no u didnt

[dull ibex]

Read more then one of my sentences please

[keen karma]

Oops

[dull ibex]

Yeah i don't control peoples team

[molten oasis]

No one does

That pfp lmao

[dull ibex]

I do like imprison flutter

[dapper crag]

Just being able to EV for your needs makes about any Mon non-specific outside of very straight forward glass cannon from what I see so far

[dull ibex]

As a gimmick

[keen karma]

We should make a pult team

[molten oasis]

REAL

[strange fjord]

except for the person who made the team

[keen karma]

I always wanted to use it but missed the chance in d

[molten oasis]

in d?

[dapper crag]

dee

[dull ibex]

It was C it was good iirc

[molten oasis]

Like deez nuts 🫵

[keen karma]

It won a national in d

[molten oasis]

It did

[keen karma]

I think

[dull ibex]

Because of player skill 🌟

[molten oasis]

It had plenty of play in reg d

[dull ibex]

Eleki just got second in reg e

[molten oasis]

Then it died in reg e lol

[dull ibex]

It's not good in regulation e

[molten oasis]

I don’t think it’s bad

[keen karma]

It has a chance

[molten oasis]

I think pult is good but really you just want dnite rn

[smoky hawk]

That's somewhere else we will disagree

[molten oasis]

I think pult is fine

[smoky hawk]

I think it's underused

[dull ibex]

About eleki?

[molten oasis]

🤝

[dull ibex]

Eleki sucks rn

[robust dust]

Can anyone answer a question re: population bomb? Is there some sort of gimmick to getting max rolls? I just lost online to a man’s hold because he hit literally 3 ten rolls in a row. I actually had frisk and saw wide lens, no loaded dice. Am I just insanely unlucky or is there a gimmick to this move that I am missing? Abilities don’t seem to answer it either’

[molten oasis]

Eleki is pretty decent

[dull ibex]

Eh disagree

[molten oasis]

Torn eleki hard threatens shifu torn

[strange fjord]

wide lens

[keen karma]

But lando walls that

[robust dust]

Does wide lens guarantee 10 rolls or something?

[strange fjord]

more accurate, more chances to hit all 10 times

[molten oasis]

Certified lando moment right there

[dull ibex]

👆

[strange fjord]

if it misses once, it stops the following hits

[molten oasis]

Eleki does Tera ice blast for that reason

[keen karma]

Wasnt best example

[dull ibex]

Then I waste Tera

[keen karma]

Something on paper that i think is cool is eleki bundle

[molten oasis]

That sounds decent on paper yea

[dull ibex]

Bundle mane still slaps

[molten oasis]

Bundle threatens the grass and ground eleki can’t hit

[keen karma]

There is nothing you cant attack into with that combo

[molten oasis]

Eww mane

[dull ibex]

🍵

[dull ibex]

Ew. Drago is here

[fallen rivet]

Mane <3

[keen karma]

Eleki’s electric attacks do a shit ton for no reason and bundle also does a ton of damage

• they both have speed control

[fallen rivet]

Incineroar <3

[molten oasis]

Incineroar is the goat

[smoky hawk]

Ghost eleki with specs and tera blast OHKOs flutter and avoids fake out

Just an interesting point

[fallen rivet]

I’m trying to figure out how to put incin and hard both on a team

[molten oasis]

That’s gonna be hard

[fallen rivet]

Yos

[molten oasis]

Incin and harc do similar things so it’s really one or the other

[dull ibex]

Inb4 yall complain about incin and drago refuses to use it just like mane

[fallen rivet]

Yep

[molten oasis]

I have full intentions to use incin

[dull ibex]

🍵

[fallen rivet]

Imma shiny hunt it

[molten oasis]

Incin isn’t stupid like mane is, it’s a support Mon that fills roles I tend to need for my teams

All mane is is damage

[dull ibex]

You're right it's more stupid

[molten oasis]

WHEN it’s suggested to me

Like “add mane” why? “Damage”

[dull ibex]

Yes that's what I sweeper is?

Why add shifu "damage"

[molten oasis]

Yea, incin is a cool support mon, with lots of role compression

And is generally very diverse

[dull ibex]

Until you realize you have to fit it on everything

[molten oasis]

Mane just specs Tera fairy moonblast

[molten oasis]

Fine with me unlike mane I like incin design

And I like it in comp more (I’ve used it)

[dull ibex]

🍵

[molten oasis]

Wtf does that even mean

[dull ibex]

Wait until restricted meta baby hyper offense on top@

[molten oasis]

Real

[dull ibex]

Its a tea emote

[molten oasis]

Yea what does it mean in this context

[dull ibex]

🍵

[keen karma]

Incin will be alr

[dull ibex]

I'll never tell

[molten oasis]

https://tenor.com/view/huh-dog-huh-dog-gif-9454444978823724629

[keen karma]

More excited for hitmontop and suicune tho

Suicune is gonna be so fun

[molten oasis]

Yk incin has been on top of meta ever since it got access to intimidate right?

[dull ibex]

Just remember if you ever forget how stupid incin is. It fought Kyogre in rain pre Tera

[fallen rivet]

Hitmontop is gonna be a sleeper pick

[fallen rivet]

Tera rain Kyogre is gonna be stupid powerful

[molten oasis]

I want to use Suicune don’t get me wrong

[dull ibex]

It always is and was

[molten oasis]

But if it doesn’t get scald back it’s just not gonna be good

[dull ibex]

Groudon 👀

[keen karma]

It def will

[molten oasis]

Koraidon overtakes for restricted I think

[dull ibex]

Not necessarily

[keen karma]

Actually

[dapper crag]

Speculations are funny

[dull ibex]

Different typing

[keen karma]

You’re possibly right

[molten oasis]

Yea but also

[next stump]

suicune gonna be mad ass

[fallen rivet]

Real

[next stump]

it was mad ass last generation

[molten oasis]

In theory koraidon has a better matchup into kyogre than groudon does

[dull ibex]

🍵 we will see when the king returns

[keen karma]

Entei gonna be fun too

[molten oasis]

It was?

[dull ibex]

Yes

[keen karma]

See i said it was gonna be fun not good

[molten oasis]

I thought it was at least decent

[next stump]

yeah I don’t think it had any notable results at all

[dull ibex]

Most restricteds suck

[dapper crag]

If Entei carries Sacred Fire it's going to be the 1st thing I try

[fallen rivet]

I wonder how zacian will end up

[keen karma]

It likely will

[dull ibex]

Very good

[molten oasis]

What

[keen karma]

Entei has been pretty balanced

[keen karma]

Its kinda tru

[dull ibex]

I said most restricteds suck.

[molten oasis]

???

[dapper crag]

speculations speculations speculations

[dull ibex]

Name the good ones. Go ahead

[fallen rivet]

Cosmog

[keen karma]

I dont see why it wouldn’t

Its had it for the longest time

[dapper crag]

Nah, it only got it in gen 8 mate

For the longest time it didn't get access to Sacred Fire in fact

I vastly encourage you to check such information on bulbapedia 🙂

[keen karma]

You’re yapping

https://youtu.be/xxNnU9SYhB0?si=Qo8hauzpWnOcX5mN

Wanna keep talking???

[molten oasis]

Groudon Kyogre Zacian Rayquaza Miraidon Koraidon Dusk Mane (Solgaleo) Lunala Xerneas Yveltal Ho-oh (I think is decent) White Kyurem (I think is also decent) Dialga and Palkia (tr setters)

Both Caly forms

[dull ibex]

This is less then half of the restricted lmao

[molten oasis]

Restricteds are box arts

[fallen rivet]

Kyogre
Groudon
Yveltal
Light trio
Zacian
Paradox duo
Calyrex forms

[molten oasis]

That’s OVER HALF

[fallen rivet]

Yeah that’s not a lot lul

[dull ibex]

And some others

[molten oasis]

Yea like caly

[fallen rivet]

O yeah

[dull ibex]

Rayquazza isn't that great

[molten oasis]

I don’t think the legendary dogs are considered restricteds

[strange fjord]

My fav restricted is cosmog. that boi aint doing anything lol

[molten oasis]

It’s got potential this reg with pao

[dull ibex]

If they get unbanned by restricted format they're a restricted

[strange fjord]

they arent

[molten oasis]

Or even chi yu

Since it can run either or attack stat

[dull ibex]

It's not exclusively box art legends

[molten oasis]

It’s pretty much is tho

There’s not a lot of exceptions

[dapper crag]

4 gens vs 3 gens =/= longest time

[molten oasis]

There’s like, mewtwo and the calys

[strange fjord]

Tera Normal E-Speed Rayquaza with Chien Pao bout to hit hard

[keen karma]

You said gen 8 👀

[dapper crag]

It gets it in gen 8 yes

[keen karma]

4 gens is like 8 years dude

[molten oasis]

Yea, Dnite will probably be better because of dnite having inner focus

[molten oasis]

12*

[keen karma]

Proving my point even more

[molten oasis]

Ik

[strange fjord]

air lock stops weather shenanigans tho

[keen karma]

12 is like kinda long

[next stump]

that’s basically the entirety of VGC’s existence lol

[dapper crag]

So it didn't get access to it for the longest time right now since 4 gens vs 3 gens isn't the longest amount of time when you weight both periods

[next stump]

what are you saying

[molten oasis]

I think it’ll have it’s niches

[next stump]

if it’s had a move since gen 6, that’s a long ass time ago

[molten oasis]

Yea

[dapper crag]

replyig to their ''longest time'' call

when entei didn't had it when ho-oh introduced it

[next stump]

that’s just a phrase in english

[keen karma]

Yeah they’ve had it for so long

Why remove it now

[next stump]

I think it’s literally just an english comprehension diff

he doesn’t mean “Entei has had it the longest out of any pokemon”

he means “it has had it for a long time”

[dapper crag]

ya probably

[dapper crag]

I want to build a new team around Heatran. I have Flutter Mane Iron Hands and Landorus so far. What should I add ? I want the team to be versatile and flexible.

Thinking about Ogerpon-Wellspring, the typing looks good

[near crag]

Which tera type should water urshifu run? I am running water, but It doesn't seem to work.

[molten oasis]

Water or Poison

[near crag]

thanks

[bold geode]

Wellspring and Cresselia would literally make it one of Wolfes teams

[dapper crag]

oh cresselia for speed control would be interesting

[bold geode]

Yeah as Drago said
Water if you want more oomph, Poison if you wanna live Mane attack better

[dapper crag]

it gets trick room and is super hard to kill nice

[molten oasis]

Cool

[dapper crag]

What was Wolfe team full stats if someone has them ? I might try to use a rental/make it for myself

[next stump]

his teams are kept behind a patreon usually

until he makes a video

[karmic temple]

I paid for a month of his patreon to see his spread on the sinis/snor/clef team

Was it worth it? Probably not.

Did I learn something new or insightful about vgc that month? Also probably not

[dapper crag]

not paying for ez teambuilding stuff

finished mine anyway

[charred saddle]

iirc theres a paste around the net

[dapper crag]

no need for ty

finished my team, now time to test it out

[next stump]

definitely not a bad deal if you’re a fan of his

it’s a win win

[karmic temple]

Honestly I don’t like him 7 times out of 10 lol, but I respect his vgc game a lot

[dapper crag]

been consistent at the top for a good while

[next stump]

i miss his old content

[keen karma]

What was his old content

[next stump]

unedited rants and a lot of laddering videos

[dapper crag]

You should watch BKC's

[next stump]

who is that

[dapper crag]

Knowledgeable smogon guy, he talks for long durations about really deep metagames for specific older formats (singles)

I just like the random rambling about competitive aspect of the games

Great deal of insight while I do corrections/light work around the house

[next stump]

i’m not sure what it is but i can’t get into singles at all, even conceptually

it is so boring to me which is a shame because there’s much more youtube content for it

[dapper crag]

Not just about singles, it really is about the competitive spirit that makes Pokemon a brain game

It does cover Singles this being said since VGC/Doubles is only a niche fraction of the total games played competitively

Great stuff I learned from this guy

That translate into VGC so far (making reads, going for optimal plays, playing to a win condition, double switches, etc...)

cheeky coverage for specific bad matchups

Only been dabbling in Doubles for a bit, this is great so far. It's such a refreshing way to play the game.

You don't play for the long game

[dull ibex]

To its credit vgc is very well documented too

I agree though singles is very meh to me

[dapper crag]

Playing Singles format where the metagame has been defined going around the same Pokemon forever is a very different mindset, there is something special about Singles you can't get in Doubles, but Doubles has stuff you can't get in Singles.

[dull ibex]

Doubles and OU might as well be different games tbh

They play almost entirely different outside of core mechanics

[nocturne holly]

Around how many people play vgc cart?

[dull ibex]

Unknown

[nocturne holly]

around

[next stump]

I think like 150-200k

[nocturne holly]

that’s cool

-calc 200/1

[gentle crag]

Result: 200.000000

[nocturne holly]

fuck am I doing

I’m in the the top 0.5 percent of players

[dapper crag]

nice

yo heatran is solid it's so good

[nocturne holly]

yea it’s been good for quite a while

[dapper crag]

It's so tanky lol

running the leftovers substitute set

It sits on the field forever

[cyan smelt]

Fairy or grass tera gives it a lot of staying power

[dapper crag]

haven't used tera on it yet

[cyan smelt]

Heavy slam does like nothing to fairy tera heatran

[dapper crag]

team is designed around positioning Heatran as a win condition

why would you heavy slam a heatran lol

[cyan smelt]

Idk

[charred saddle]

no, but usually people have IH to deal with heatran. forces it to tera.

and by going fairy tera you are most likely forced to wild charge

[dapper crag]

it's heavier than iron hands

[charred saddle]

drain punch resist, grass tera typing can still be drain punched

[nocturne holly]

Dude what the fuck

[charred saddle]

the common set on IH is FO, wild charge, drain punch and heavy slam anyway. that sums it up.

not saying people will heavy slam to it

[nocturne holly]

safe guard cress

I’m pissed as fuck

dondozo is annoying for my team to deal with

[dapper crag]

I'm tera Grass on Heatran, but Iron Hands feels very easy to play into

Earth Power chunks it nicely

[charred saddle]

when you account to the drain punch heals, no you didnt do much

[dapper crag]

??? That's a nice chunk into Iron Hands, have you tried knocking it in 1 go ? Doesn't work very well. Mon is tanky he he

I would also not expect every Hands to run that much sp.def and my Heatran is more invested in Special Attack

[charred saddle]

[nocturne holly]

Dropped down to fucking 1500s today
So fucking pissed
Fucking hariyama
Safeguard cresselia
And tomorrows the last day of the damn season
Great

[dapper crag]

yeah they calced that in a vacuum

expecting every Pokemon to be EVed the same way is very unrealistic imo

[next stump]

JUST BEAT RANK 6 LETS GOOOOOOOOOOO

[nocturne holly]

In what? Cart?

[next stump]

yes

he had flame body stealth rocks heatran

[charred saddle]

noicee and what

[nocturne holly]

Dillon I hate to say it but you’re a little late
There’s 1 more day left 😭

[next stump]

no like, rank 6 in master ball lol

[nocturne holly]

oh thought poke ball

[dapper crag]

good job

[nocturne holly]

Well shit that’s really fucking good

[dapper crag]

impressive

[next stump]

thank you 🙂 I want to end top 30 but we'll see how tomorrow goes, calling it there tonight

[nocturne holly]

my w/l ratio rn is 21/5

I’m only 1500s
Was 1100s at the start of the day

[dapper crag]

w/l ratio means nothing for rank you get

home shows the estimated value instead, like the showdown ladder

[nocturne holly]

I’m tryna be consistent

[next stump]

yeah LOL it was a wild team

he set up rocks turn one and I did a double take… then my Urshifu got burnt using Surging Strikes on it

[charred saddle]

wait flame body?

i thought i read flash fire somehow

support heatran

[next stump]

252+ Atk Tera-Water burned Urshifu-Rapid Strike Helping Hand Surging Strikes (3 hits) vs. 68 HP / 116 Def Flutter Mane on a critical hit: 144-171 (103.5 - 123%) -- guaranteed OHKO

This calc decided the game in my favor, he ignored my Urshifu because of the burn and went for Farigarif instead

[karmic temple]

That’s definitely a unique way to play heatran

[dapper crag]

must not be that bad since they were rank 6 lol

[next stump]

yeah in closed teamsheets i can see its value

[dapper crag]

I'm taking notes

[charred saddle]

damn HH farigirafe?

[dapper crag]

Ability: Flame Body

30% chance a Pokemon making contact with this Pokemon will be burned.

SableyeBot version 4.24.4

[next stump]

that’s a really solid burn chance onto Urshifu-R

[dapper crag]

turns out innovative players breaking the mold can perform great

that gives me hope for my brute bonnet team

[next stump]

yeah it’s honestly so good

[nocturne holly]

Even high rank cart has some weird shit 😭

[dapper crag]

I made it back to rank 2,000 yesterday

[next stump]

nasty plot/imprison/protect are other 4th move options but I’ve really liked HH

[dapper crag]

I decayed to 2100 but I'm about to queue some games

[charred saddle]

does armor tail cancels out prankster moves by any chance?

[next stump]

Japanese players always have the weirdest shit

[charred saddle]

yeah that what i would expect

[dapper crag]

not all of them, only those targeting enemies

[next stump]

I lost a game earlier to tera water flutter mane + ice shard life orb chien pao

he needed both of those techs to win the game

you basically need to out cheese the cheese to win the game

[charred saddle]

ice shard LO

very interesting indeed

[next stump]

yeah LOL destroyed my rillaboom before it could grassy glide

[charred saddle]

ive seen water flutter before, not iceshard

[next stump]

ranked ladder ends in 20 hours and I get off work tomorrow in 16 hours from now, so I’ll have like 3 hours to climb back into the top 30 if other people knock me down

🙏

[dapper crag]

wow that's great

good luck

[nocturne socket]

I was trying to get to master ball but I just can’t do it, I’m hardstuck 😭😭

[dapper crag]

It's hard don't be too hard on yourself

See the bright side, you're improving every game

[nocturne socket]

I’m just bad, I can’t quite get there. I’m like a good 4 wins away from it and I just can’t break through

[dapper crag]

You're not bad, you say you are bad very different

Instead call yourself a student eager to learn

[nocturne socket]

I feel like a lot of it is just understanding interactions differently

[karmic temple]

Me using prankster status moves on dark types constantly

[nocturne socket]

Yeah that’s me too .-. The amount of times I’ll just throw a game to not knowing how something interacts breaks my heart

[karmic temple]

All you can truly do is punch the air when it happens and forget about it, until you do the same thing again

[charred saddle]

just played with a tera blast rock rilla

[bold geode]

Got me actin up

[chrome knot]

find the golem team and ask spicy to play you

id literally cry

[charred saddle]

no need, ill just make the team

[chrome knot]

lmfao

[charred saddle]

i dont remember the whole ass team tho

[chrome knot]

rabsca golem

uhhh

[charred saddle]

yeah u jinxed it

[chrome knot]

LMFAOOOOO

[dapper crag]

Pokémon No. 895: Regidrago

Type

Dragon

Abilities

Dragon's Maw

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

200/100/50/100/50/80

Total

580

SableyeBot version 4.24.4

Pokémon No. 979: Annihilape

Types

Fighting/Ghost

Abilities

Vital Spirit, Inner Focus, Defiant (Hidden)

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

110/115/80/50/90/90

Total

535

SableyeBot version 4.24.4

[charred saddle]

oh god. i thought annihilape is slower

[chrome knot]

nuh uh

[dapper crag]

Heatran feels so good, it's so nice sitting behind a Substitute on Leftovers I like that

[latent cairn]

Yoooo

Anyone mind helping me build some teams?

For the scarlet and violet meta this season?

[dapper crag]

I can help.

[latent cairn]

Bet

[dapper crag]

https://www.munchstats.com/ best bet is to look at usage stats and see what good Mons you wanna build around

[latent cairn]

Cyclist power 🏍️

[dapper crag]

Can't go wrong using Flutter Mane Iron Hands Landorus-Therian core rn

[latent cairn]

For sure

[dapper crag]

Tornadus-Urshifu Water is also very strong

[latent cairn]

But what if we wanted to play with ogerpon?

[dapper crag]

You can it's great

[latent cairn]

Is the wellspring form the best one?

[dapper crag]

It's a toss between Fire and Water form

Water fits more on balanced team, Fire one fits more on all-out offensive one

[latent cairn]

Oh I like offensive ones lol

Perhaps I shall torch them

[dapper crag]

Flutter Mane Landorus-Therian Iron Hands Tornadus-Incarnate Urshifu-Rapid-Strike Ogerpon-Heartflame is a really offensive tem

[latent cairn]

Perfect

I still would need the stats, Items, Natures, and moves tho

And the Tera types

[dapper crag]

https://www.munchstats.com/ use this to select the most used stuff and go from there

[latent cairn]

Other than ogerpon

Alright

[dapper crag]

Use offensive spreads if you don't want to go into finesse ones

[latent cairn]

Ah

So do I go for speed over power?

Or power over speed?

[dapper crag]

up to you

speed is often key in aggressive mirrors since moving fast means getting tempo on your side

[keen karma]

bro dynamax adventures is so good for getting good mon

[dapper crag]

you can't really pick what you get though

[keen karma]

you dont need to

[dapper crag]

how do you specifically target something ? aren't they hidden in fog

yo https://pokepast.es/74cbfafa2c54159b
that team CybertronVGC featured is so good

got 150 free mmr in 6 games lmao

title is so true

[deep sparrow]

What time does the season end on the 30th?

[strange fjord]

Midnight UTC I think

[gentle delta]

Legitimately one of the most insane psyspam teams ive seen

Was super exciting as a career psyspam main

To see two cool teams top 4

[gentle delta]

You can see the difference with practice

[dapper crag]

that team is just build different

[dapper crag]

what ?

[gentle delta]

They have outlines you can see vaguely and over time you get a good feel for whats what by the outline + typing.

Ive done at least 2k of these things I know what every outline is by now

[dapper crag]

how can you target them before entering reliably

[gentle delta]

Before entering the whole adventure you cant

Besides the legendary itswlf

But once inside you can take a quick look up and down and plan your path for what you want most

[dapper crag]

I was specifically asking about targeting them

[gentle delta]

You mentioned the fog

So wanted to clear that part up

[dapper crag]

yeah but you gonna reset until you get right one form fog ?!?!

[gentle delta]

I mean sure?

[dapper crag]

what

[gentle delta]

depending on what you need its worth

[dapper crag]

don't see how that is reliable lol

[gentle delta]

Depends what you want, how many things you want, and how in a hurry you are

I used DAs mostly for shiny hunting, so id go in and just target anything in the fog I still needed

If you need one specific non legend its not worth unless theres no other reliable way to get it

[dapper crag]

the return on time is not worth unless you go for full shiny dex I guess

[gentle delta]

What exactly is your goal for DAs I can help more with that info

Because not all of your questions and statements point to the same idea

[dull ibex]

hello comp chat

[dapper crag]

Oh no I'm fine

[gentle delta]

Goodbye

[dapper crag]

I got all my Mons from DA from a while back

[dull ibex]

NOOOOOOO-

[gentle delta]

Red shows up I take my leave gn fellas

[dapper crag]

was just wondering how they were targeting good Mons they wanted

[dull ibex]

aight then gn

[dapper crag]

cause I've done so many and never seen patterns unless you used data mining

[dull ibex]

if that was a joke i didnt pick up on the tone

[gentle delta]

Trying to pick a single best scarf mon for hard TR has been a debate all year. With Shifu being king for a while.

But seeing what Drago does is filthy

[gentle delta]

Depends what you mean by target

But yeah its generally not worth

[dapper crag]

I don't debate the team, it got me mmr and it's fast

really too easy to lead with it's disgusting

[gentle delta]

Ik im saying for once we are in agreement lol

[dapper crag]

i might just use the rental to climb ez master ball