competitive_discussion

[near crag]

do any of you know if is there any ability or item that boosts critical hit ratio? thanks

[grizzled bronze]

cts is wild

[grizzled bronze]

for item, there's razor claw and scope lens

[next stump]

lowkey not horrible in CTS because your opponent will always assume it has armor tail hahaha

[grizzled bronze]

yeah but i swept his team with paonite

idk why i lead them tbh

he was also a 1500 elo player which is kinda wild

[tribal garnet]

Is Lycanrock dusk form good for competitive? What would good teammates be for it?

[gloomy crescent]

Follow me ogerpon

Urshifu might try and counter it

But you use follow me and then it will use its water move on ogerpon

[grizzled bronze]

a lot of mons can easily kill it rn sadly

[gloomy crescent]

Nice heal up btw

[grizzled bronze]

weird spot

[tribal garnet]

Any good paste bins that utilize dusk Lycanrock?

[tribal garnet]

Aw really? That's a shame 😦

[gloomy crescent]

But i will say its not the greatest for competitive lycanroc dusk

If you read what i said thats a weakness delt with

[dapper crag]

Pokémon No. 745: Lycanroc-Dusk

Type

Rock

Abilities

Tough Claws

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

75/117/65/55/65/110

Total

487

Base Species

Lycanroc

SableyeBot version 4.24.4

[grizzled bronze]

a lot of urshifu, rillaboom, and landorus running around

[gloomy crescent]

Urshifu i said thats covered

Im like invisable in this chat right now

[grizzled bronze]

follow me oger doesn't solve everything

[mellow barn]

I keep loosing

[nocturne holly]

Take a break
Tilt ain’t helping you

[gloomy crescent]

I was just called a big walmart bag because im an adults medium 😂

[bold geode]

I ain't see you at my job....

[gloomy crescent]

💀

[dull ibex]

Instead of paonite

It's paonine

[keen karma]

Paoquaza soon

[molten oasis]

Paonine pog

Paonite lame

[mellow barn]

So many Milotics on the ladder...

[solid ravine]

perhaps my shiny milo will be used now

[molten oasis]

Why?

Milotic is good but it’s not THAT good

[mellow barn]

It's a SpDef Tank

[molten oasis]

It’s a physical heavy format

It matters but not that much

[mellow barn]

I hate Trick Room...

[charred saddle]

AV rilla can deal with milotic pretty easy

[dapper crag]

Pokémon No. 350: Milotic

Type

Water

Abilities

Marvel Scale, Competitive, Cute Charm (Hidden)

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

95/60/79/100/125/81

Total

540

SableyeBot version 4.24.4

[charred saddle]

no STAB ice beam to AV

[mellow barn]

Oh can it? Because I have tried deal with Wood Hammer and no dice.

[charred saddle]

i specifically made it 252 hp 252 def modest, and checked ice beam dmg

Rillaboom @ Assault Vest
Ability: Grassy Surge
Level: 50
Tera Type: Water
EVs: 252 HP / 156 Atk / 44 Def / 52 SpD / 4 Spe
Adamant Nature

• Fake Out
• Wood Hammer
• Grassy Glide
• High Horsepower

[mellow barn]

I don't know anymore... I am banging my head against the table...

[nocturne holly]

take a break lmao

you’re like me
Don’t know when to take a break

[mellow barn]

My current Season games 100. 51 Wins 49 Loses

[nocturne holly]

Damn

I’ve only played 7 games 😭

[mellow barn]

Opponent gave up after I brough Landorus and they had Zapdos on field

[untold urchin]

Hi, what’s a good ursaluna build

[mellow barn]

The regular or the Moon one?

[untold urchin]

Regular

I assume it’s supposed to be paired with trick room

[mellow barn]

Yes it is. Here is at least one way to build it.

Ursaluna @ Flame Orb
Ability: Guts
Level: 50
Tera Type: Ghost
EVs: 116 HP / 252 Atk / 140 SpD
Brave Nature
IVs: 0 Spe

• Facade
• Headlong Rush
• Rock Slide
• Protect

So this one is much bulkier than most common builds.
(The ones that do max HP and max ATK.)
It's main move is Facade (Extra damage from Guts ability and Facade damage is increased while having status effect. Also STAB damage)
Headlong Rush for good Ground STAB (Does reduce defense unfortunately)
Rock Slide hits both foes.
And Protect to well... protect.

But main thing is to lower its speed as Trick Room makes it faster.

There are also other moves like Drain Punch, Ice Punch and Earthquake (But would use this with pokemon that cannot be hurt by it.)

Some even add Swords Dance to make sure it gets more power.

[bold geode]

Ew Raika is in my area

But yeah that build looks valid
Another one I did max max but instead of Rock Slide, I did Swords Dance to heavily punish passive turns on the opposing side

[untold urchin]

Alright thanks, I assume belly drum is horrible due to the halving of the hp lol

[gentle crag]

bizraika has given 1 Gen Rep to theipex

[untold urchin]

max max?

[bold geode]

Max HP max Attack

EV wise

But yeah I used SD cuz like if you protect both
Ha now you gotta worry about a Guts bear that's ALSO +2 in attack

[mellow barn]

Yeah, specially since you will be also burned. Although Sinicha could recover health back to it or having Clefairy with Heal Pulse or Creselia heal with Lunar Blessing.

But it's too risky

[bold geode]

Yeah
But if you don't tera, you're also susceptible to like priority unless Psychic Terrain
Plus if you get hit down to certain health (which a bunch of people do) Belly Drum might not activate

[mellow barn]

Can someone tell me, since I notice this special thing. Does Ice Spinner (which destroys the terrain) also disable Tailwind?

[bold geode]

No

[mellow barn]

Huh, guess I was just faster then

[nocturne holly]

Fully paralyzed and burned by scald

Kill me

And paralyzed by wild bolt storm

This is gonna be my first loss

fucking great

[solid ravine]

😔

[dapper crag]

Scizor [Bug/Steel]

Immune

Poison

Resists (0.25x)

Grass

Resists (0.5x)

Bug, Dragon, Fairy, Ice, Normal, Psychic, Steel

Neutral damage

Dark, Electric, Fighting, Flying, Ghost, Ground, Rock, Water

Weak (4x)

Fire

Type Notes

Steel-types cannot be Poisoned.
Steel-types take no damage from Sandstorm.

SableyeBot version 4.24.4

[nocturne holly]

YES

DENGO FUCKING PULLED THEOUGH AND GOT THE W

[solid ravine]

:D

[fallen rivet]

Ok whoever suggested farigiraf over iron bundle for me is a genius

[empty haven]

What EVs do iron hands run rn I keep forgetting to build one

[nocturne holly]

Brian Hands (Iron Hands) @ Assault Vest
Ability: Quark Drive
Level: 50
Shiny: Yes
Tera Type: Grass
EVs: 156 HP / 100 Atk / 252 SpD
Adamant Nature

• Fake Out
• Heavy Slam
• Wild Charge
• Drain Punch

That’s a really good set

[empty haven]

Thanks

Just what I was looking for

[deep sparrow]

Finally got my first W in the draft. Match up definitely favored me. Lol.

https://play.pokemonshowdown.com/game-bestof3-gen9vgc2023regulatione-1998593770

[nocturne holly]

How many matches do y’all normally do in a day? Cart ladder

Welp

My 9 win streak is done
Lost to a good player
They played great

Made a crazy prediction
Shadow ball into moon
Predicting I would switch into dengo

[fluid wind]

https://pokepast.es/9e6df87a12b53760

[fallen rivet]

What questions did you have with this team?

[ember linden]

Working on a Gapdos HO team bc I don’t like it without speed control🥱

https://pokepast.es/baf48cc74286e817

[fallen rivet]

Here’s what I’d change:

-make torn bulky rather than a sweeper and change tera type
-give flutter a life orb
-swap out thunderous kick with a different move
-max out iron bundle’s spa and speed or perhaps replace it entirely

Or something idk im not very good at this lel

[marble coral]

oh boy

[golden sentinel]

Question
When will the current regulation end?

[next stump]

Jan 1st

[nocturne holly]

answer the question

[nocturne holly]

I think sash is best on max max torn

[dapper crag]

did 20 since yesterday

[next stump]

if I’m just playing for practice and fun, I’ll play like 15-20

if I’m playing to climb, usually 5-10

[golden sentinel]

Thanks

[gentle crag]

countpeperon has given 1 Gen Rep to mlbd

[golden sentinel]

Ok I have 1 month and a couple of days to get good at pokemon and reach master ball

[next stump]

why by then?

[dapper crag]

They want the master ball ribbon I think

[golden sentinel]

Ur correct

[next stump]

the season will reset on december 1st so unless you hit master ball before then, you might be wasting your time

[golden sentinel]

Oh that was what I was supposed to ask first then

Ok gonna still do some ladder but more for practice and get good

[next stump]

yeah there’s a monthly ladder reset and then every 3 months the regulation changes

(the ruleset we play with)

[golden sentinel]

Ok I got both mixed

tnx

[dapper crag]

Yeah it is very confusing at first ha h

[bold geode]

Half of that is right and the other half not so lmao

Thunderous and Life Orb Flutter no

I hate LO Flutter
Give it specs

Thunderous can stay
Still nice assessment though Waffle I'll give you points for that

[dapper crag]

Sash Flutter is fine

no need for Specs with Protect, makes no sense tbh

Calling something not so right to give another not so right suggestion pls

[marble coral]

alot but on showdown not cart ladder

[dapper crag]

If you want Specs Flutter, swap out Protect for a useful move on choice locked item

[next stump]

i’ll easily play 30-40 games on showdown during the work day lol

[dapper crag]

can someone help me log thundurus in my dex so I can trade my pogo thundurus over? I can let u hold a legend or smthn 🙂

[fallen rivet]

Meant to say specs to my b

[fallen rivet]

Thanks!

[bold geode]

No problem

[bold geode]

You can replace Protect?

And Sash imo isn't as efficient now as it was
Sure it placed 2nd in LAIC, but Specs/Booster is still better imo

[dapper crag]

If you go Specs, you don't want Protect imo

[bold geode]

Yeah
What I said lol

[dapper crag]

Sash is getting good results also, I wouldn't straight suggest replacing it on max/max flutter since it's there to make you live one hit that isn't multi-hit

[bold geode]

I honestly just suggest adding bulk and doing Specs even with HO

Just better imo
But that's just me

[low yarrow]

hai, i need some help please

[dapper crag]

With Sash you get Protect for more consistency, you can't just use Specs to switch in and tank 1 hit

[bold geode]

How help

[dapper crag]

Specs leaves you wide open to positioning mistakes

[bold geode]

HO you don't really switch a lot

You're kinda just going brr a lot of the time

[low yarrow]

i've beeen trying to find a pokemon server with scarlet and violet players to help me trade along the way and test items and do competitive testing but i have no one to do that with

[bold geode]

This is the server for you my friend lmao
Problem solved

[dull ibex]

I return

[bold geode]

Is there more specific

[dapper crag]

What ? HO mirror is all about who gets initiative

Getting tempo switch in is key

[low yarrow]

well thanks im also scared of the users because i joined other servers of scarlet and violet and people where just being rude for no reason at all

[gentle crag]

ajkaju_19 has given 1 Gen Rep to dollarmonke

[dull ibex]

ho doesnt switch a whole lot

[bold geode]

Red I'm talking to Jay about your specialty

Chime in bud

[dull ibex]

monke is right, Monke didnt say ho never switches

but with Hyper Offense you want to keep mons because you don't have the bulk to switch in

also a switch gives up offensive tempo

im sure youll tell me im wrong though

[bold geode]

Right
Usually we aren't as rude hopefully
And if they are, well we have lovely people who will take up for you or report shit lmao

[low yarrow]

alrighty ^^

[dull ibex]

I will say monke

hyper offense balance mixes are a thing now

But your ho mode is usually the same game plan

[low yarrow]

i also just got back from a wwe match i got tickets for chicago match

[dull ibex]

sweep with speed

[low yarrow]

^^

[dull ibex]

survivor series?

[bold geode]

Oh they have been lol
Tornadus has made that viable as shit

[low yarrow]

yes ^^

[dull ibex]

DUDE DID YOU SEE CM PUNK RETURN?

[low yarrow]

i cried when randy showed up

[dapper crag]

just sayin' sash flutter gives you an edge in HO mirror

[bold geode]

CM PUNK IS BACK WTF

[low yarrow]

and Cm punk as well

[dull ibex]

I screamed for punk

[bold geode]

Wait Randy as in Orton?

[low yarrow]

i couldn't scream no more after that

lol

[dull ibex]

DUDE ORTON RETURNED AFTER 18 MONTHS THEN CM PUNK RETURNED

[bold geode]

Oh shit

[low yarrow]

also can anyone trade and give an opinion for my team in pokemon

[dull ibex]

that's why i've been gone for hours lmao
I was watching the ppv on peacock

[bold geode]

I never really watch WWE but for some reason when I did, I was a big Jeff Hardy fan

[low yarrow]

i had to fly to chicago lol

[dull ibex]

are you playing singles or doubles?\

also nice to see another wwe fan

[low yarrow]

im going for aingle matches first

[bold geode]

For trading, #trading_sv will be your best bet, make sure to read rules first though
Now as for team rating, we got you covered usually

[dapper crag]

nice singles is great

[dull ibex]

then I can not help sorry bud

that came off passive aggressive, it was not

[bold geode]

I will say though, this chat can be a bit VGC skewed

[low yarrow]

is it okay if i type my team here or no?

[bold geode]

Yeah go for it

[dull ibex]

use a pokepaste please

[dapper crag]

yeah type it here

[bold geode]

Yeah preferably if you know how

[dapper crag]

it's the right section

[dull ibex]

this is the right section yeah

me specifically can't help lmao

[low yarrow]

level 60 and above team i got tinkaton, dragapult, clover aka cat pokemon, kaju is gorchamp, quagsire, kingambit

[bold geode]

Ok caveman

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

[dull ibex]

anyways why were talking about HO monke?

[dapper crag]

level doesn't mtter

this looks like your story mode team

[low yarrow]

i can't spell pokemon good sorry 0-0''

yeah basically for the elite 4

that's how i build it

[dull ibex]

your story team won't work in comp unless you ev trained

[dapper crag]

some of them can work for BSS

[dull ibex]

and hyper trained

[low yarrow]

i never understood how to train ev

[dapper crag]

Garchomp is fine

[low yarrow]

never in my life

[dapper crag]

Dragapult also fine

[dull ibex]

im not sure garchomp is fine in bss rn

[dapper crag]

Clodsire is decent

[low yarrow]

oh my dragapult is from the champion alex he won in one of the last tournements

[dapper crag]

low ladder yeah, they're fine if you have no Home options

[dull ibex]

oh look at that top 20

dnite is still number 1?

weird

[low yarrow]

i have a shelgon level 42

[dapper crag]

Garchomp is rank 13 on Home rn

[dull ibex]

hot take ivs are a stupid system

[dapper crag]

That's perfectly fine

[dull ibex]

Ivs should be auto hyper trained in ranked

I know that kills 0 speed mons

[low yarrow]

what about swalot is he goot for competitive

poison type

[dapper crag]

Nah

[low yarrow]

why not?

[dapper crag]

You can build around Garchomp

[dapper crag]

it sucks

[dull ibex]

because comp pokemon is super power crept and alot of mons suck

[low yarrow]

the only move set i got on kaju is Dragon claw, Dragon Breat, dig and crunch

kaju is my Garchomp

[dapper crag]

You'd need a Scale Shot Loaded Dice set

That's how Garchomp is used

[low yarrow]

what does that mean?

[dapper crag]

Scale Shot move + Loaded Dice item

[low yarrow]

i dont play mutch competitive sorry

[dapper crag]

You want to do Battle Stadium Singles, it's a pick 3 out of 6 format

[low yarrow]

oh i looked it up and it said that it's like some pokemon moves that attack twice right ?

[dapper crag]

multi hit move, 2 to 5 hits

Loaded Dice makes hit 4 to 5 hits

[low yarrow]

like furry swipes

[dapper crag]

Basically strongest Dragon move that isn't Outrage

The core around Garchomp is to pair it with Gholdengo + Flutter Mane

[low yarrow]

i have the first evolution of Gholdengo

[dapper crag]

you can do Chien-Pao Dragonite Chi-Yu for your secondary line of sweepers

[low yarrow]

okie

im trying this all down on my notes

[dapper crag]

Basically do Garchomp Gholdengo Flutter Mane Chien-Pao Dragonite Chi-Yu, you've got a very offensive line up that is pretty hard to wall

[low yarrow]

alrighty

and what about held items?

[dapper crag]

Loaded Dice Garchomp
Booster Energy Flutter
Choice Scarf Gholdengo
Focus Sash Chien-Pao
Choice Specs Chi-Yu
Choice Band Dragonite

you can swap dragonite/garchomp items and just teach scale shot to the right one

but I prefer Garchomp since Dragonite can spam Extremespeed tera normal on band

[low yarrow]

the choice band annoyes me tho

it only lets u use the same move over and over

[dapper crag]

yes but you want don't use anything else

you want to kill

gholdengo needs to outspeed what it must checks (Chien-Pao/Booster Sp.A Flutter)

Chi-Yu is surprise fuck you I kill you no matter what

[low yarrow]

oop 0-0

[dapper crag]

Chien-Pao can soak a hit and scout deeper into their back Pokemons

[low yarrow]

so this is basically like a defense team for single battles

[dapper crag]

Flutter tanks Dragonite

This is not defense

You bring 3 out of 6

You need to pick the right Mons to cover what they can possibly bring

You have different options and you simply play your card

Safe lead with Pao, aggressive lead with Chi-Yu, defensive scout with Gholdengo, Dragonite prediction with Flutter

[low yarrow]

im here just reading this

dw

[dapper crag]

since you want garchomp this is a pretty foolproof lineup

[low yarrow]

thanks a lot for the advice i wrote it down

on my notes

[dapper crag]

best advice I can give you is to hide your best Pokemon in the back

And lead something that can do well into most matchups they could lead

[keen karma]

Brisbane regionals already ended???

[cyan smelt]

yeah

[keen karma]

How did it go

[cyan smelt]

no idea

but i heard that top cut was was 1 loss instead of 2 like it usually is

[keen karma]

Someone top cut with chandelure

Which is extremely interesting to me

[cyan smelt]

well there's no info about it yet that i can see

[keen karma]

Well top 32

Im not sure if its top cut because i have no idea how many ppl played

[cyan smelt]

tpci hates oceania confirmed

[keen karma]

What brought you to that

[rotund finch]

Broad as heck question but what makes a good team. like I wanna try and stay with what I love but I'm certain I'll get clobbered. Fighting just feels like you'd be leaving yourself exposed. Roundabout way of asking how should I build a team.

[cyan smelt]

they scrapped OCIC then they didn't stream brisbane

[dapper crag]

use good Pokemon (like what is being used by most players). then it's all about playing the format. You don't start being the greatest, playing games is the only true way to learn the format.

If you don't wanna build your own team, you can always use a rental. CybertronVGC youtube channel feature a lot of strong rental teams on a weekly/daily basis (great player, often casting official events so you know they're really one of the best player out there)

Great way to learn the basics with CybertronVGC, great teacher that speaks their thoughts and explains what's going on as well as making educated guesses/predictions. Great stuff, 10/10 recommend that guy for beginners.

[low yarrow]

@dapper crag can i friend you?

[dapper crag]

always 💪

[low yarrow]

already send

[rotund finch]

So let me ask this follow up. Broadly, how is fighting as a competitive type to center around one.

[dapper crag]

wdym ?

you want to use fighting types Pokemon ?

[low yarrow]

im about to capture chi-yu

afk

[rotund finch]

Yes. It's my preference my first s/s run was mostly fighting.

[dapper crag]

then hit showdown and play monotypes

otherwise you can run Iron Hands + Urshifu in VGC

Really only these two being used in VGC with the fighting type (they're also top 5 best Pokemon right now)

[rotund finch]

That's sad, But also not.

[dapper crag]

teams tend to favor diverse typings in competitive formats that aren't monotypes

[low yarrow]

Why is chi-yu so hard to find

[rotund finch]

I mean doesn't fighting have a few other good dual types? What about ohh what's it's name, toxicroak or the new water starter?

Looks like I gotta get over my spiteful design first mind.

Funny thing I don't have the game yet
I like doing prep research and asking questions

[low yarrow]

Oh 0-0

Nvm then lol

[rotund finch]

Yeah. Ask again Wednesday

[dull ibex]

I don't enjoy losing to dondozo

[crude oasis]

Hi chat

[keen karma]

no one does

[dull ibex]

fair

[keen karma]

especially with the lingering thoughts of i should have clear smog or haze or something

it gives you ptsd for like any team you are building

[ember linden]

Thunderous kick is fine, I want to try sash flutter, not a fan of lorb on it, I have no idea why my bundle spread was that, I don’t need torn to be bulky I just want it to do maximum damage and be fast

This is HO I’m not tryna live that much just tryna blow them up

[ember linden]

I don’t wanna get fake out’d

[dull ibex]

protect

[ember linden]

Oh I optimized the team before seeing this it had protect

https://pokepast.es/fdbdcefe6a6d49d8

Probably not the final thing ofc but changed things

[dull ibex]

trying another THATSA team

[ember linden]

His new HO one?

With indeedee?

[dull ibex]

yeah

[ember linden]

Nice

[dull ibex]

its a little wacky and clickbaity but its not wacky enough to not work

[ember linden]

It’s not wacky and clickbaity

Psy surge rids of HO’s weakness to prio spam

Within good reasoning I could accept wacky but not clickbaity

[fluid wind]

ngl your the first person ever that i seen someone use focus sash fluttermane 😂 but that cool tho

[charred saddle]

sash fluttermane is not that uncommon

[ember linden]

I’ve faced a lot bro

Yeah

[charred saddle]

its to face heavy slam thing

[dull ibex]

the mon choices are not super standard

[charred saddle]

and its usually with icy wind, or like TR

[dull ibex]

not clickbait is fair

I used my own spreads

[ember linden]

That definitely means wacky bro

[charred saddle]

depends on why it uses the sash tho

[dull ibex]

I dont like THATSA spreads

[fluid wind]

well i never seen it before but it kinda funny tho

[ember linden]

It makes sense😭

[ember linden]

What did he calc for that you didn’t like?

[dull ibex]

I just prefer my own tbh

[ember linden]

I played that vid in the background while on showdown so missed the calcs

[fluid wind]

yea imagine using a posion move on it and u just see focus sash lol

[dull ibex]

My spreads are generalist and I know what they do so if it doesnt kill the team I would prefer them

[ember linden]

I’m playing it in ots

[fluid wind]

cool

[ember linden]

There shouldn’t be any surprise factor is my point

[dull ibex]

im gonna try to talk to THATSA about it tbh

[fluid wind]

i know but it kinda funny tho to me cuz i never see it before 😂

[ember linden]

He has a discord server right?

[dull ibex]

yeah im in it

[ember linden]

Idk why that is hysterical but alr lol

I feel like he probably elaborated those spreads tho

I don’t feel like rewatching it but he explains himself

Also, hot take or not idc but we need earth type in the game

To replace rock and ground

[dull ibex]

https://pokepast.es/640127029b3dfc0d this is my version

[ember linden]

Bug tera is crazy

[dull ibex]

oh ignore that

[ember linden]

You’re wild for that

[dull ibex]

that's fairy

[ember linden]

Oh okay lol

[vivid fern]

What would be the best Tera Type for Empoleon

Defense wise

[ember linden]

Fairy

[silk stream]

Is it a bad idea to run Tailwind on drsgonite. In a paonite set up. So run life orb instead of band

[ember linden]

It is a bad idea

[silk stream]

Fair

[grizzled bronze]

you already outspeed most mons with pao and for nite you just spam extremespeed to move first

[mellow barn]

Morning

[dull ibex]

hey man

[mellow barn]

Since my team that I was planning on ladder climbing didn't work, I made a new one

[cyan smelt]

I need to stop getting myself locked on showdown

[mellow barn]

Yeah I have been loosing all this time.
I don't know, guess I am really bad at VGC

[cyan smelt]

I get my ass kicked in bo3 by people 200 or 100 elo higher than me

[lofty tartan]

Morning, folks.

[mellow barn]

[deep sparrow]

Good morning!

Does anyone have a rental that consists of Harc, Urshifu, ogerpon(H), Dengo, Torn and iron hands? Can’t find one online. I’ve been using it on SD, wanna bring it to ladder. Figured I’d ask before I made it 😂

[lofty tartan]

I found a few teams very close (wellspring over hearthflame etc) but nothing to the exact 6

I know what team you're talking about though

It's James Baek's Peoria winning team with Hearthflame Ogerpon instead of Wellspring

Still looking but haven't found a rental for that exact 6

[deep sparrow]

I appreciate it @lofty tartan . I’ll just use Baeks with wellspring and see how it goes. If I like it on cart I’ll just make it and add hearthflame Lol. So thank you for trying 😂

[gentle crag]

kicksgg has given 1 Gen Rep to dazedmika

[lofty tartan]

Anytime

Did you need the rental code?

[deep sparrow]

If you have it available I’ll more than gladly take it, but if not I can search it

[lofty tartan]

VV7N05

[deep sparrow]

Thank you!

[gentle crag]

You gave Gen Rep too recently. You can give Gen Rep again <t:1701000912:R>.

[lofty tartan]

https://pokepast.es/df1c403e1cde6df6

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=chDhVV0HfjI

Paste and video coverage

[vapid hedge]

Hey im playing a tournament in 2 weeks and i feel like i get stomped by trick room on ladder - any good trick room players who wants to play a few games with me?

[next stump]

what’s your team?

we can try to figure out some game plans into TR for you

[vapid hedge]

Oh that would be awesome, any fast way to create a team sheet?

[next stump]

pokémon showdown

and then click export to pokepaste

[vapid hedge]

Ive made the team, i cant export to pokepaste for some reason?

Aah now i have it

https://pokepast.es/adffe5c9e62481f4

I have been playing around with swapping in an urshifu rapid but cant really find a spot for it

Am i crazy for having 2 mons with tailwind?

[lofty tartan]

Probably.

Tornadus is immediate speed control and Moon's isn't. I thin the redundancy is a bit unnecessary.

Especially with both being Tera flying and offensively flying, so-to-speak

[vapid hedge]

Oh my bad, torna is tera ghost

But i like your point

[lofty tartan]

If you don't mind the defensive type overlap with Urshifu/Milotic (which, two types is fine but Moon and Ursh do different things here), then I think it's an easy swap

[vapid hedge]

Ah okay, gotta say i really feel like i get good value on moon, would swap milo for urshi maybe?

[lofty tartan]

Like a lot of people worry about multiples of the same type on the same team and realistically you're not bringing them to every match.

But I don't see a world where you bring Moon and Torn to the same match or where Moon has better speed control than Torn from the same team.

[vapid hedge]

Yeah your right about that, i always pick moon OR torn

[lofty tartan]

You can just go with a DDance set on Moon instead of TW

Yeah I just think on a general TW team, that Torn is far superior

If like Clefairy core or Weezing, then Moon all the way

[vapid hedge]

Hhmmm i like that

[lofty tartan]

Some other teams are getting benefit from Moon but not really alongside Torn.

As far as Ursh over Milo it can work easy. You lose that Intimidate deterrent but most times you're clicking Surging Strikes with Urshifu anyway so it's sort of similar

[vapid hedge]

I really like the milo for the landorus everyone seems to be running atm

[lofty tartan]

Yeah Milo is really good into Lando/Harc, I think.

Urshifu can pressure Lando as well with Surging Strikes - the Intimidate doesn't cut the damage because crits

So it's more of a preference thing. If you prefer Milo then rock it

(Scarf Urshifu is also faster than Scarf Landorus if both are max speed, so just keep that in mind. Milo is more the bulky support option that builds up for damage)

[vapid hedge]

I do, but that still kinda ruins my TW into TR, what opening would you go vs indeedee & armarouge or some other classic Tr start?

[lofty tartan]

What ruins TW into TR?

You definitely don't want to be clicking TW into a TR team

[vapid hedge]

If i tw and they tr?

So just 100% avoid tw?

[lofty tartan]

Yeah don't go for it. They're going to aim to flip your speed control because you telegraph clearly as a TW team on team preview

Moon is good into Psyspam because immunue and can Knock Off into Indeedee/Arma

[vapid hedge]

What im essentially trying to say is, im good at being the aggressor - not being on the defensive, which i often end up as vs tr

Aaaah that makes so much sense

[lofty tartan]

Hands is good as Fake Out pressure if Psychic Terrain isn't up, and he's slow so he's more versatile inside of TR

[vapid hedge]

But aside from hands, which mons should i try to bring if its clearly tr?

[lofty tartan]

I'd probably stray from both Sunny Day and Rain Dance on Tornadus. You don't really have anything benefitting from Rain here.

[vapid hedge]

Oger and flutter are max speed ev

[lofty tartan]

Milotic is a water type with Scald and that's about it

[vapid hedge]

Oh yeah thats true

[lofty tartan]

Bleakwind 100% but that's not necessary

Taunt is good there for general TR matches - it's not good into Indeedee

[vapid hedge]

Rain dance was nice when i was running urshifu

[lofty tartan]

Oh for sure

[next stump]

this team is really tough to play into trick room

[lofty tartan]

^

I was just looking over the paste for additional tools into TR

[vapid hedge]

Thank god, i was beginning to think i was shit lmao

[next stump]

knock off moon is nice for indeedee if they don’t tera

[vapid hedge]

Yeah knock off has been getting good value for me

[lofty tartan]

Knock Off Moon has been incredible.

[next stump]

you have no way to change terrain, nothing is really that slow on your team, nothing can set up to take advantage of the passive turn they have setting up trick room

hmmm

[vapid hedge]

Any thoughts on the new breaking swipe moon?

Hmm so maybe swap torn for a slow mon?

[lofty tartan]

I have both a Breeaking Swipe and Acrobatics Moon setup - both carry Knock Off

[next stump]

I don’t think you want tornadus and roaring moon, so choose one of them to swap out

[vapid hedge]

Im swapping out torn 100%

[lofty tartan]

You can always slot in an anti-TR mon

[vapid hedge]

Could armarouge be 6th?

Hmm anti-tr? Any suggestions?

[lofty tartan]

I wouldn't put Armarouge in. But Farigiraf is always a solid pickup

[vapid hedge]

Oh yeah thats not a bad pick tbh

[next stump]

is your tournament open teamsheet CSL?

[vapid hedge]

No its closed

[next stump]

you could consider something like imprison/TR on fluttermane or like Mika said, Farigarif

you already have sash so you can guaranteed live a hit

[vapid hedge]

Oh wow that could work

Ok so kinda offtopic, if i wanna bring arcanine, what would you swap?

[lofty tartan]

I've actually seen open team TR flutter work but they were hard TR

[vapid hedge]

Btw im really sorry for all these questions, im very new to this

[lofty tartan]

We were all new once! 😄

And VGC is hard, so no worries

[vapid hedge]

I made a bet that if i hit top 500 on ladder i would try some tournaments and i did so now im fucked hahahaha

[lofty tartan]

Gotta put that money where your mouth is now

[vapid hedge]

Ok so tr swapped out for moonblast on flutter?

Or swap torn for fari with tr?

[lofty tartan]

I mean personally I do love the giraffe. I have a bias.

[next stump]

i’d personally start with swapping farigarif in for tornauds

[lofty tartan]

Lmao

[vapid hedge]

Ok will try that first, i hate playing vs the giraffe so might enjoy having one

[next stump]

run like imprison/TR/dazzling gleam/Psychic

[lofty tartan]

^^^

[vapid hedge]

And evs should be what? Spd and hp?

[lofty tartan]

I like a slower bulky giraffe. Honestly I do like Dillon's current spread a lot.

[next stump]

this meta is very physically oriented so some giraffes are even 252HP/252+ DEF

it just depends what you want out of it

[vapid hedge]

Oh i like that

And just sitrus for item?

[lofty tartan]

Sitrus or Helmet

[next stump]

yeah helmet can be really nice in breaking sashes or doing 50% to urshfiu

[vapid hedge]

Helmet would help with a lot of mons imo

[lofty tartan]

I see it as "Do you want to enable Farigiraf to guarantee the KO on Urshifu after Surging, or do you want to survive Surging with cushion"

If the former, Helmet. Latter, Sitrus

Both have value and aren't limited to Urshifu

[vapid hedge]

Well i think i like the helmet more tbh

Rapid strikes and breaking swipes are in like 70% of my games on ladder

Btw u guys are amazing for this, i cant even express how grateful i am

[lofty tartan]

Just trying to help before I get a nap in

[vapid hedge]

Should giraffes tera be fairy?

[lofty tartan]

I like Fairy.

[vapid hedge]

Best defense type it seems in this meta

[next stump]

yeah fairy is nice

[vapid hedge]

Only real steel is heavy slam and zap cannon

[lofty tartan]

Well he's weak to Dark and Fairy resists

So it's a great pick because Farigiraf is bulky bulky

[next stump]

sometimes bites you when they lead something like roaring moon/gholdengo but that’s a separate issue that you have other pokemon for

[lofty tartan]

Oh yeah that's definitely tough.

[vapid hedge]

Can i ask a really stupid question?

[lofty tartan]

Man, Dillon, I'm trying that Clef/Moon/Gholdengo team

[vapid hedge]

Am i an idiot for always leading moon and hands?

Like 99% of games

[lofty tartan]

Not an idiot. May be some personal bias thrown in there, but Hands has Fake Out and that's almost never a dud

[next stump]

I don’t think you’re an idiot but there definitely are games where you should shake it up, but that just comes with getting better at the game and being more comfortable with your team

[vapid hedge]

Happy to hear that, thx for the confidence boost

[lofty tartan]

Dillon and I are actually conjoined twins.

[vapid hedge]

Tw and fake out just feels like such a strong opener

Who is the evil twin then?

And who is the better looking one?

[lofty tartan]

You're disrupting your opponent's opening and setting up speed control, so it definitely has merit, but I 100% agree with Dillon

[vapid hedge]

Yeah seems like a good point he is making

[lofty tartan]

There's a lot of value in TW followed by a big hit to gain forward momentum. While TW sets up your speed control there, at the end of Turn 1 it doesn't feel like you've gained a ton of ground and your opponent potentially called you and got a super free hit

[vapid hedge]

Thats true, a drain punch from hands will almost always ohko moon

[lofty tartan]

Definitely.

[vapid hedge]

Last question i promise

Any good swaps for swords dance on oger?

I didnt get any value from follow me, tried sd and got even less value

Stomping tantrum?

[next stump]

stomping tantrum for heatran

yeah

[vapid hedge]

Yeah ok nice one

[next stump]

if you had rillaboom I’d suggest grassy glide but that wouldn’t be a consistent choice without

[vapid hedge]

I could get a rilla tho?

But what would i swap out?

[next stump]

yeah but this team doesn’t need it, although it does help with indeedee/arma

I’d just test the farigarif and go from there without rillaboom

[vapid hedge]

Yeah good call tbh

[next stump]

if the team still needs work, then we can continue tweaking

[vapid hedge]

Im getting ahead of myself - i would appreciate that a lot, twins, u are very kind

[next stump]

that’s why we are here 🙂

[chrome knot]

https://tenor.com/view/jinx-cat-jinx-stretch-stretching-ambatukam-gif-25740190

[bold geode]

Is Emmie

Wakey wakey?

[vapid hedge]

https://tenor.com/view/thank-you-gif-25358104

[chrome knot]

yes

i wakey wakey watching regional

[bold geode]

Me no watching regional
I'm watching Wolfe then imma clean some before work

[mellow barn]

Oliver is in finals!
Finland reprisent!

[chrome knot]

oaaahhh

worky on a sundaaaay

[bold geode]

Yeah
My off days be Wednesday Thursdays

[chrome knot]

what theeee

[solid ravine]

wha

[crude oasis]

Does anyone have a ice stone I need one I trying build a team and need to vulpix to evolve

[charred saddle]

you might have better luck at #trading_sv or make your #1112832566261731328

[chrome knot]

i do ^-^

[crude oasis]

YAYYY thank u what do u want for it

[mellow barn]

I don't think I manage to get top 1000 on in game ladder

[crude oasis]

Why not

[bold geode]

He kitty
He name Raymond

[crude oasis]

Hi kitty

[chrome knot]

awwweee

[mellow barn]

I am bad

[crude oasis]

What do u need help with is it team build or how u play

We here to help this why this channel is here

[mellow barn]

No I am just bad, making bad calls and overthinking things.

[chrome knot]

its okay you and me both :3

[crude oasis]

What calls are you making that are “bad” calls

[mellow barn]

Just generally

Will they protect or not. Do they go for kill or switch. Etc-

[crude oasis]

I think those calls just get better over time to be honest

[mellow barn]

I doubt it, but thanks

[chrome knot]

they will thats just

natural progression and pattern recognition cx

[grizzled bronze]

harc will win another regionals again

[chrome knot]

yessirrrrr

[grizzled bronze]

gotta get that wins before reg f arrives lmao

[feral ledge]

Thank you everyone again for your advice yesterday! I finished my team this morning and I just went 6-1 in my last round of the ladder in Masterball! It’s amazing what changing the IV spreads, movepool, knowing when to rotate, and picking the right pokemon will do! The only problem is Gholdengo… He’s out of place and I think I will need to replace him… I’m saddened since I literally had to scour for the 999 coins but I need a new 6th…

[crude oasis]

What is your team I was not here late night sorry

[feral ledge]

https://pokepast.es/9877def1d6b74e03

I was thinking ES Dragonite or HH Tera Ground Baxcalibur

[grizzled bronze]

damn dc in stream

[dapper crag]

nice, the real challenge begins in Master Ball ha ha, I learned that today

[dapper crag]

try Flutter Mane, it's on almost every team

[fallen garden]

what does harc have that arc doesn't

[grizzled bronze]

rock slide stab

[chrome knot]

brings pain

[grizzled bronze]

and better defensive type

[charred saddle]

and more resistances

and also shit typing

aqua jet pressure is annoying. non STAB ground move can ohko

[feral ledge]

Thanks it was after a 10 game losing streak over 2 days after rebuilding my team then trying a more conventional meta team and went on another 5 game losing streak

[charred saddle]

but its still a good mon

[gentle crag]

wascos1 has given 1 Gen Rep to raymeta

[grizzled bronze]

cant stop him from getting back to back regional wins tho

[dapper crag]

not really, harc is pressured to tera often outside of 4x weaknesses

[grizzled bronze]

yeah fair

but the rock type can help sometimes

[fallen garden]

4x against ground and water feels bad, and fighting weakness is not exactly good in this format

[dapper crag]

they're manageable

a good player can make a prediction pretty straight forward

[crude oasis]

True a lot fairy Pokémon

[charred saddle]

yeah, thats why i said its a shit typing, but still a very good mon

[dapper crag]

it's not shit typing

[feral ledge]

That’s why I Tera Harc into water to eliminate those pesky weaknesses

[dapper crag]

rock/fire is great typing

[charred saddle]

okay

[fallen garden]

what does rock even resist? i can only think of normal but i'm surely forgetting somethin

[feral ledge]

Harc is one of my favorite Pokemon additions to my team

[crude oasis]

Normal and ghost are good too

[dapper crag]

???

[crude oasis]

Typing wise

Normal and ghost are good too

[dapper crag]

what

[crude oasis]

Normal and ghost types are really good that’s all I’m saying

[dapper crag]

this is going in a weird spot, form harc typing to normal ghost

[grizzled bronze]

3 immunity is great yeah, but the user of it is very mid imo

[crude oasis]

Great point

[dapper crag]

normal typing is nothing great from competitive perspective anyway

outside of espeed spam, nothing wants tera normal

[grizzled bronze]

and facade ursaluna in reg d

[vapid hedge]

Bloodmoon in reg e sometimes go tera normal

[crude oasis]

True

[dapper crag]

what

[vapid hedge]

Sometimes grass too tho

[grizzled bronze]

topic going left and right lmao

[dapper crag]

jeez the bs takes sometimes

[fallen garden]

maybe it's not good, but i've seen people use tera normal on both ursaluns

[vapid hedge]

Lol how is that a bs take? Its just a statement of a fact lol

[dapper crag]

https://tenor.com/view/exasperated-michael-scott-gif-13179415001013058912

[crude oasis]

It’s a fact

[vapid hedge]

Neither said anything about it being good or bad, just saying that people play it lol calm down

[grizzled bronze]

from arcanine to ursaluna 😭

[vapid hedge]

“Nothing wants tera normal” statement not true

[dapper crag]

pls drop it before making another bs take mate

[deep sparrow]

I think everyone forgets that everyone has an opinion. Doesn’t matter if you view it as right or wrong. It’s THEIR opinion Lol.

[crude oasis]

Why are upset right now ? Lol

[vapid hedge]

This is not AN OPINION. Its a FACT. Some people used to tera normal ursaluna. FACT.

Why are you acting out? Ego issues much? Jesus christ

[dapper crag]

told you to drop it

[deep sparrow]

Everyone is so aggro in this chat

[dapper crag]

now this is going places

[vapid hedge]

Told you to check ur ego

[fallen garden]

tera normal fake out lopunny?

[deep sparrow]

The last 3 days I’ve checked it, and there’s always arguing 😂

[vapid hedge]

I had an hour long convo with 2 people today, absolutely lovely, no arguements, just chatter

[crude oasis]

Right me too

[tired sage]

uh....
could work but ambipom does it better cause of technician
also is lopunny in s/v?

[nocturne holly]

I was too greedy yesterday 😔

[dapper crag]

i go get coffee and everybody is fighting lol

[fallen garden]

i forgot which one was in the game, thanks

[vapid hedge]

Let get back to where it all started

Tera on arcanine; Go!

[grizzled bronze]

it's not

[next stump]

if your goal is to climb high, I think just 5-10 games is a sweet spot

[dapper crag]

why not play more games ?

[feral ledge]

5-10 ladder matches a day?

[bold geode]

Yeah something like that
Although me, if I lose 3 in a row, then I at least take a break

[next stump]

It’s really hard to focus playing more than 10 games for me

[bold geode]

Because then tilt might build up

[charred saddle]

yeah i usually just play 3-4 games a day lol

[bold geode]

I can play at least 20 a day if I'm just zoned in lmao

[charred saddle]

too much makes brain doodoo

my brain monke brain, bad brain

[bold geode]

Good
Become Monke

[dapper crag]

don't confuse an opinion with a fact next time mate. not meshing well when you can check data with a couple of clicks in this day and age

[charred saddle]

🐒

[bold geode]

Sigh

[dapper crag]

turns out espeed spam + tera normal is the only one getting results

[bold geode]

Let's see here

@lofty axle got some people throwing insults beforehand and arguing not in a good way

And me dipping
BYE

[charred saddle]

HAHAHA

[lofty axle]

Hallo

[charred saddle]

hi zeph. i think its the first time i saw u outside tera raids

[bold geode]

Hello cutie
You see what's up

[lofty axle]

Do I have to go up and read?

[charred saddle]

hmm, its something. and been happening for a few days i would say

[bold geode]

Yeah a little bit unless someone can summarize it better

[deep sparrow]

I’ll be real. I only listen and take into consideration what the competitive helpers say. Lol. They have the role for a reason. And from what I’ve seen most are very knowledgeable.

[dapper crag]

not all good players will be competitive players/helpers this being said, far from it

a lot of players like to drop their opinion in here, which is fine, but you get a lot of wrong stuff being thrown around imo

[bold geode]

[deep sparrow]

[feral wraith]

[dapper crag]

like i received help from a non role helper, things turned out great

[vapid hedge]

Your “opinion” was that there was 0 use for tera normal - what i said was that some people play it, which is not my opinion, its a fact that you can find proof of??

[deep sparrow]

I didn’t say that all the good players are competitive helpers Lol.

[mellow barn]

OLIVER WON!

[grizzled bronze]

specs gholdengo won gg

[dapper crag]

you missed the bit where I said Espeed spam just before that. This is why you should drop it. You couldn't read everything so you had to attack me.

[feral ledge]

Specs Gholdengo with Make It Rain and Steel Beam set?

What tournament was this?

[patent marsh]

poland regionals

currently being streamed

the finals just ended

[vapid hedge]

I didnt fucking attack you wtf, go read what i said

[grizzled bronze]

[charred saddle]

specs gholdie usually just run burst + steel tera

leftovers with dragon tera usually likes to set up

[vapid hedge]

“Sometimes bloodmoon ursaluna goes normal tera” and this is ur reply

[patent marsh]

he went all out to the point he used 3 consecutive make it rains in a row

the absolute mad lad

[grizzled bronze]

tera steel specs make it rain does a lot of damage lmao

[deep sparrow]

Gotta do what you gotta do 😂

[feral ledge]

I was deciding if I wanted to go with the Gholdengo set I went with or with Gholdengo with Specs, 252 SpAtk 56 HP and 200 speed

[bold geode]

Eh some go defensive
Water,flying, I wouldn't put it past Dragon for that either

Holy fuck the messages busting in

[next stump]

4th move on specs gholdengo is always interesting

[bold geode]

Ok I saw Steel Beam last night

[feral ledge]

Yeah cause if the opponent uses protect then it takes that 50% away from you still…

[tired sage]

[charred saddle]

yeah, that too. i just usually see steel for the fast burst option thing

[bold geode]

Honestly Specs Gholdengo is wild now
It almost feels like people are only preparing for setup one now

[patent marsh]

yea but iirc so far on cam he only ever used it like once he mostly just spammed tera steel make it rain with the gholdengo

[charred saddle]

ye NP gholdie LO haha. nice dmg

[tired sage]

:0 steel beam
never would have thought about that

[mellow barn]

That crazy mad lad fin

[patent marsh]

it's pretty gud to get a cheeky KO when you see one

[feral ledge]

A player in the Latin American tournament placed in the top 4 with that Gholdengo build too

[next stump]

steel beam probably for stuff like Cresselia and Dusclops to prevent TR

[charred saddle]

whats the usual dusclops spread?

[dapper crag]

so doubling on a stronger move on choice item seems fine

[charred saddle]

for calcing the damage

[bold geode]

I mean
Harc Head Smash

[next stump]

Sassy with 252HP and a mix of DEF/Sp Def

Relaxed also common too

[mellow barn]

[charred saddle]

252+ SpA Choice Specs Gholdengo Steel Beam vs. 252 HP / 156+ SpD Eviolite Dusclops: 85-102 (57.8 - 69.3%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

damn dusclops so bulky

[mellow barn]

I have run 20 different variations for teams... and none of them work for me.

[next stump]

yeah lol it’s gross

[charred saddle]

252+ SpA Choice Specs Gholdengo Shadow Ball vs. 252 HP / 156+ SpD Eviolite Dusclops: 102-120 (69.3 - 81.6%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

shadow ball does more tho

is it to cover tera?

[next stump]

might be

there could also be a completely different reason

[charred saddle]

yeah

[next stump]

does specs make it rain OHKO assault vest rillaboom

[charred saddle]

but still STAB shadowball + SE still doesnt even close to OHKO

lemme see

how much investment are usually for AV boom?

252+ SpA Choice Specs Gholdengo Make It Rain vs. 252 HP / 52 SpD Assault Vest Rillaboom: 142-168 (68.5 - 81.1%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Grassy Terrain recovery

thats my rilla spread

[next stump]

252HP with like 100 or less SpD usually

hmmm

does steel beam OHKO that spread

[charred saddle]

252+ SpA Choice Specs Gholdengo Steel Beam vs. 252 HP / 52 SpD Assault Vest Rillaboom: 166-196 (80.1 - 94.6%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Grassy Terrain recovery
nope

[next stump]

damn bulky boy

[dapper crag]

yeah the grass guy is surprisingly resilient

[nocturne holly]

Yea
I just wanted to get to 10 games

but yea ima keep it low

[deep sparrow]

Welp. Wife is driving, gonna play some SD ladder and kill some time Lol.

[nocturne holly]

W

[mellow barn]

I am still loosing... I really don't know anymore.

[next stump]

i’m so spoiled living in the chicagoland area with all the locals we have

[dapper crag]

Change your team, take a break or simply try stuff on showdown.

[deep sparrow]

I try and not go over 10 matches on cart ladder. It’s my happy place 😂

[dapper crag]

You just arrived in Doubles, it's not easy once you get to Master Ball.

[mellow barn]

I am in Master Ball

I am just place around 20000 rating and aiming for that 1000

[deep sparrow]

@next stump you playing in the draft this season?

[next stump]

I wish that it was easier to have a second account to ladder on for cart

yes I am

I really don’t like my team compared to last season lol

[deep sparrow]

I agree.

[dapper crag]

drop the static rating goal, not realistic

[deep sparrow]

My team this year is better than mine from last

Or ya know. So far

[next stump]

someone stole my Gholdengo RIP

[deep sparrow]

https://pokepast.es/77827cbc2a3e32b9

That’s my draft team so far

Don’t pay too much attention to the Tera’s. Lol

[next stump]

ayyy we both have Amoonguss Farigarif

I have Urshifu as my other tier 1

[deep sparrow]

Crawdaunt has been putting in the most work so far. Usually try and get TR/TW up, rage powder with amoongus, set up swords dance with crawdaunt.

[next stump]

that’s a great plan

my team lacks a trick room sweeper, I need to see what’s still left and maybe make a trade

bro Incineroar has some insane all time stats LOL

45 fucking wins hahaha

[deep sparrow]

That’s crazy 😂

[next stump]

sooooo nuts hahaha

Arcanine keeping this man’s seat warm

[mellow barn]

I probably need to plan new EV spreads for my in game team.

[next stump]

I’d be happy to help

[mellow barn]

Oliver Eskelin team. Currently running it

[vapid hedge]

Crawdaunt?! Please tell me more, sounds fucking awesome

[chrome knot]

i just neeeed basic ev spreads to shoot for on this one

[deep sparrow]

It’s for a draft team Lol. Haven’t tried it on ladder, which all of the other solid choices there is for water

[next stump]

Pikalytics should have good spreads for all of those. I’m curious about the 4 move Arcanine with sitrus berry. Is this your team or an open paste of someone else?

[chrome knot]

mine bc i was in a shuffle of

[nocturne holly]

paonite ew

[chrome knot]

what items go where between harc nite and hands

[nocturne holly]

What harc set do you wanna run

Hands basically needs av
Well it’s the best item for it

That’s a banded harc set

But band is on d nite

[vapid hedge]

Still sounds fun man, share if u want to, its all about trial and error

[mellow barn]

https://pokepast.es/57daf6dfaf79ff07
So something like this

I might need better spreads though and anything that can make it better helps

[keen karma]

Chandelure

Did you see the team that got top 32 at brisbane

[next stump]

Urshifu wants more bulk, but honestly 252/252 not a horrible spot to start.

Gholdengo needs less HP and more SpA, you can also probably go with less SPE and distribute that into HP or SpA. I’m not at my PC at the moment so I can’t run the calcs to help find a more defined spread

Rillaboom is usually 252ATK/156+ATK with the rest in SPE/DEF/SpD

Flutter Mane spread not bad, but usually people invest in bulk. Its up to you

Tornadus spread is good, you are weak to opposing prankster taunt but it’s not that common that they click it

Arcanine wants less ATK and more into SPE and potentially defensive stats

[mellow barn]

Alright, thanks

[gentle crag]

theipex has given 1 Gen Rep to mlbd

[mellow barn]

https://pokepast.es/88d8ac9c3d518c68 I went through analytics and damage calculator.
What do you think of these speads? Also, did you notice slight change I did with Tornadus

[nocturne holly]

why hurricane on torn

[mellow barn]

On rain it does have 100% accuracy. But that is just idea. No reason to really run it.

[bold geode]

So does Bleakwind

Bleakwind basically be better Hurricane

[mellow barn]

Wait... does it gain 100% accuracy?

[bold geode]

In rain yes

All the genie storm moves except for Springtide become sure hit in rain

They don't check accuracy

In rain, Hurricane doesn't check accuracy either

[nocturne holly]

yea bleakwind is a better hurricane

[mellow barn]

Finally... I am on a roll

I am in zone

[nocturne holly]

Moon is so fucking bulky

[mellow barn]

And... my streak is over

[nocturne holly]

RIP

[mellow barn]

Can't help it. Opponent was better

[dapper crag]

Don't think too much about streak

Game is hard, better to learn and be happy

[mellow barn]

Yeah but the reason I am pissed off at myself as I was around 7000 rank and now I am at 20000

[dapper crag]

the game seeds you higher if you ladder from beginner tier up to master ball with a meta team (since you win a lot)

then it's up to you to maintain yourself when at the last rank

I am very adamant on not setting a static goal, reaching top 1000 at this stage of the month is not an easy task

Really good players up there

[mellow barn]

My head is empty. I can't think anymore

[deep sparrow]

Do I continue to play SD, or farm more cash for IV items

[nocturne holly]

SD? showdown?

just do ogre oustin

it’s so good

[mellow barn]

I just jumped in Showdown and went 2-0 on my first match. Dafuq?
Showdown, I doing fine while on ladder I suck

[deep sparrow]

Yeah Showdown. Lol.

[dapper crag]

what mmr ? I tried my team there and it was smooth sailing but I'm only 1250

[mellow barn]

I am talking about in game ladder

[dapper crag]

oh

I'm getting my ass whooped in Master Ball

From 15-2 to 22-11

[mellow barn]

I think I am done for today. My head is killing me.
Honestly might be best if I didn't try to hard.

[karmic temple]

We love a turn 2 ff 🤭🤭 fake out into Tera fairy flutter then turn 2 wide guard against rock slide and dazzling gleam

[hasty yarrow]

What Pokémon would be a good last team member and what are other ways i can improve the team https://pokepast.es/36535cbdd11746ed

[next stump]

is this meant to be a VGC team

[hasty yarrow]

Yes

[nocturne holly]

Clefairy looks good

[next stump]

without even mentioning a final member:

• Annihilape, Kommo-O, and Sinistcha are all wasting EVs with their spread. You need to invest in only 3 stats (like your Moltres and Grimm) or 5 stats. 4 stats will always result in wasted EVs

• Moltres EV spread and move choice are really weird. Max HP or near max HP is fine, but you need some SPE and some SpA to actually accomplish what you want. Check Pikalytics for common EV spreads

• No attack Grimmsnarl is super super risky, but it has been used to success before.

• I don't love the Kommo-O set. I think Flash Cannon with tera steel is better, because then you completely wall Flutter Mane. I do see some value in tera fire though.

• There's currently no way to self boost Rage Fist (like Maushold beat up or anything) for Annihilape. I don't think the pokemon is that great unless you can get Rage Fist up to 200-250 base power yourself

[nocturne holly]

didn’t check the evs 😭

[hasty yarrow]

What would be a good replacement for annilape

I will probably be bringing grimsnarl and sinischa every game

[fallen rivet]

Harc and iron hands are good blanket checks for most of the meta. Landoot also is viable, it just depends on what you would want out of a physical attacker

Also rillaboom and urshi-r are good as well

[hasty yarrow]

How does this look https://pokepast.es/51076325c4d8d6ae

Ignore the evs

[nocturne holly]

Shifu wants scarf or mystic water

[karmic temple]

I’d swap the tailwind for protect on the goltres but it looks fine and like Cigar said scarf or mystic water on shifu

[onyx charm]

this past local league challenge

[hasty yarrow]

Would grimsnarl moltres and grimsnarl kommo o be the best leads

[bold geode]

Oh

[molten oasis]

Gapdos in second pog

[bold geode]

It's rigged
No Goltres

[nocturne holly]

FUCK
I ACCIDENTALLY SENT MY MESSAGE IN RENTAL TEAMS BEFORE I WAS DONE WRITING THE WRITE UP

[bold geode]

Also it was Aimee pog

[gentle crag]

aimeeme (ID 334540638567530497)

[Message](#competitive_discussion message) in #competitive_discussion
IS YOUR TEAM EVEN COMPLETE WITHOUT A 700 HP MAX QUAKING MAX AIRSTREAMING LAND GENIE BREAKING THE META THE WAY POKEMON WAS MEANT TO BE PLAYED

Command triggered by dollarmonke. Message from · Sep 3, 2023, 9:58 PM

[bold geode]

Haha dumbass

Jk it happens

[fallen rivet]

Do we have a winner in Europe yet

[bold geode]

Maybe? Idk I didn't watch lol

[nocturne holly]

ok the write up is done
just gotta wait to be able to send a message in rentals
only 5 1/2 more hours 😭

[near crag]

is zapdos viable in the current meta?

I'm thinking on replacing regieleki with zapdos, in order to get some flying type damage, without tera blast landorous

[dapper crag]

I'm sure you can make it work, good stats and the typing is really good.

Gets Tailwind, synergize with Rain team through Thunder/Hurricane

[kindred cypress]

Do y’all think walking wake will be broken or balanced when it’s legal?

[hasty yarrow]

What are the odds of being frozen for ten turns in a row

I got frozen by a cresselia with ice beam on turn two my moltress was frozen for ten turns and trickroom played out twice in-till he died

[dapper crag]

Great stats from what I see, rare to see a Pokemon with such great typing. Definitely a spot on weather team but if its becomes available in restricted format not gonna be that op.

maybe they allow it with the next regulation

[nocturne holly]

5 more hours until I can send my rental 😔

[vapid hedge]

@next stump @lofty tartan adding the giraffe made it so good, thanks so much guys

[gentle crag]

cslovebubbles has given 1 Gen Rep to mlbd, dazedmika

[dapper crag]

It's weird they left out Iron Leave and Walking Wake out of this regulation

I'd be curious to know the reasons as to not including them

Anyone know why ?

[karmic temple]

Probably because they aren’t part of base game or dlc 1 besides from the raids

[chrome knot]

1 time event raid mon

i physically cannot access those 2 mons without cheating

[dapper crag]

but Home Mons are legal

[dapper crag]

couldn't you trade for a legit one ?

[chrome knot]

without trading

and theyre rare for what i mentioned

[karmic temple]

Right but those have been around for many generations, these are brand new and were only available through event raids for a future dlc

[dapper crag]

but you would get a physical one through trading that is legal no ? I own 8 of them that I've all caught on my own

[chrome knot]

.

not everyone nerdnecks random raid eventd

[dapper crag]

lol I just speedrun an alt every month or so

[chrome knot]

see

[dapper crag]

so I can get legit dupes for my collection

[chrome knot]

its fine i have the most important asset of them all

[near crag]

is it bad to have repeating tera types in a team? I got three tera water mons in my team (zapdos, amoonguss, and urshifu). Should I change them?

thanks

[next stump]

no that’s okay, that’s just those pokémon’s best tera type

urshifu can maybe go poison

[dapper crag]

I don't think it's bad personnally if you value that typing defensively/offensively on each Mon

Since you won't get to tera multiple times in the same battle

[near crag]

thanks

[dapper crag]

I have Tera Water on my Urshifu, my Iron Hands and my Amoonguss right now

I don't regret it one bit

Though I did burn all my Water shards he he

[chrome knot]

i got water on shifu and hands

[dapper crag]

I want to experiment with a team of my own right now

Tornadus Landorus Iron Hands Urshifu Amoonguss Flutter Mane is great but I miss not having a Fire type

Just so hard to cut one member that I think I'm better off building from scratch

[next stump]

that exact team has won multiple regionals with Hisuian Arcanine over Landorus

and it will probably win regionals with Incineroar over Arcanine

[dapper crag]

oh that sounds interesting

but Choice Band Landorus just wins games T1

[deep sparrow]

If ya want I’ll post it. And make sure you get credit lmao.

[dapper crag]

Oh Hisiuan-Arcanine would fit right in with the Choice Band actually

Seems like the replacement I was looking for lol

[keen karma]

What team

[next stump]

urshifu/torn/flutter/h-arc stuff

[dapper crag]

Tornadus Hisiuan-Arcanine Iron Hands Urshifu-Single-Strike Amoonguss Flutter Mane

Question about Hisiuan-Arcanine it runs Tera Blast + Tera Fairy according to the data I am watching rn. Is there a reasoning behind this or should I got with another Tera that fits my team ?

[next stump]

mostly for iron hands

[chrome knot]

ppfart hands

[next stump]

but you can run tera normal for extreme speed STAB or a defensive tera like water, but tera water is not common with band

[chrome knot]

fairy blast

[dapper crag]

What about Tera Ground ?

If it replaces Lando, Ground was useful into Heatran/Iron Hands

[next stump]

i’ve personally never seen it but you can try it

[dapper crag]

well Fairy is for Hands right

[orchid falcon]

What EV spread is good for iron bundle?

Is a Max speed and SpA 4 HP good with booster energy?

[next stump]

yeah that’s the classic bundle spread

[next stump]

fairy is primarily for resisting Hands and for STAB attacks into dragons and fighting types

[dull ibex]

Hyper offense is more dynamic then it used to be 🤔

[dapper crag]

ok ty

[gentle crag]

raymeta has given 1 Gen Rep to mlbd

[dapper crag]

I'll give Tera Fairy a shot

Sad to let go off Lando but Fire typing is missing out in some games

I like that team though, going through the pairings and you have a lot of great switch ins

[lofty tartan]

They were prerelease events for DLC like a marketing campaign. It was promoting the presale of Indigo Disk.

The remainder of their trios are releasing in the DLC, and they aren't going to be held until Restricted format as they're Paradoxes, entirely.

I'm certain that all 6 new Paradoxes will be catchable in DLC, and as they won't nearly qualify as box legendaries, they're pretty likely to be made legal. 🤷

[dapper crag]

That makes sense

Still wild but we abide by the rules anyway, no point trying to force them in the team box lol

[vivid fern]

What is Ogrepon’s water/grass form weak to?

[dapper crag]

Flying Poison Bug

[crude pollen]

Freeze-dry

[dapper crag]

If my typing chart is correct

[chrome knot]

and specifically 4x weak to freeze dry

[ember linden]

We need earth type🗣️🔥🔥🔥

[fallen rivet]

Huh not a lot of resists

[vivid fern]

Perfect lmao

Thank you!

[dapper crag]

it's very neutral

which is alright I guess

[lofty tartan]

You mean ground?

[dapper crag]

Don't we have like Grass Ground Rock all related to Earth ? Even Water to an extent

[fallen rivet]

Flying if you consider it an extension of air and atmosphere too

[lofty tartan]

Earth as an element commonly refers to stone/dirt/etc rather than a second common element of also including water.

BUT for intent of pokemon the most likely similar one would be Ground

Earth, Air, Fire, Water

So Flying would be Air

[fallen rivet]

The fifth element is a 1997 sci fi movie

[lofty tartan]

https://tenor.com/view/poe-dameron-heavy-sigh-star-wars-sigh-sighing-gif-26030273

[fallen rivet]

In reality it’s something called aether according to Google so either ghost or fairy for that /shrug

[lofty tartan]

It's incredibly difficult to ascribe the 18 pokemon types to the four cardinal elements.

[fallen rivet]

Indeed

[lofty tartan]

Really just not even worth it.

[fallen rivet]

Indeed

[nocturne holly]

we have ground

you dum dum bubble gum

[lofty tartan]

Yeah I said that and then it sparked a discussion about elements, apparently lol

[ember linden]

Rock and Ground need to be combined into Earth

Lol

[lofty tartan]

Why lose two types for that?

[ember linden]

It gives the shit rock types a buff

The quad weaknesses