Fr and I love him for it
#competitive_discussion
molten oasis
nocturne holly
Wbt torn
molten oasis
Gholdengo is the goat
molten oasis
Wbt torn
There’s very very few situations I’ll use torn
(If there is no other option that’s good)
fallen rivet
Clearly the episode just ended there and you’ll have to wait until next week to figure out what happens
charred saddle
yeah thats the thing 
nocturne holly
My team has w mons
Harc dengo hands moon shifu moonguss
next stump
sometimes your win/loss takes a while to update after a DC win or loss so I guess just wait for that
charred saddle
im in a very good winning position too
fallen rivet
I actively avoided using ghold in ou and then used it and started winning 💀
molten oasis
charred saddle
molten oasis
So like, now that moon feels good again
charred saddle
sometimes your win/loss takes a while to update after a DC win or loss so I gues...
maybe. ill check on it later
nocturne holly
fr
fallen rivet
Moon is nice. Checks scarf mons
nocturne holly
Moon is so goated
setting tw after the a few turns after opponents tw is w
I’m blanking on what it’s called
Off setting?
next stump
staggering
fallen rivet
I keep thinking tw means trick woom
dapper crag
for real that's what staggering means ?
nocturne holly
No way I just said “off setting” 😭
next stump
yeah basically just using tailwind 1 or 2 turns after your opponent
dapper crag
sorry for being slow but how is that staggering ?
nocturne holly
staggering
dapper crag
wouldn't it be like delaying or something like this ?
nocturne holly
wouldn't it be like delaying or something like this ?
Look at definition 3
Ig delayinng would work
fallen rivet
hesitate
That’s the key
dapper crag
for real it has a lot of different meanins lmao
lofty tartan
It's definition 3 - so that they don't end at the same time. And yes, staggering has a ton of different meanings xD
English is silly
molten oasis
Hesitating to use tw against torn is great
fallen rivet
It's definition 3 - so that they don't end at the same time. And yes, staggering...
Oop you’re right
vivid fern
What’s a good pokemon to be paired with Alolan Ninetails?
dapper crag
pokemon that can take advantage of aurora veil
nocturne holly
fr English dumb af
lofty tartan
Heatran, Galarian Moltres, Okidogi, Baxcalibur, there's a long list
vivid fern
That’s usually every Pokemon lol…
dapper crag
or an offensive set with blizzard
nocturne holly
What’s a good pokemon to be paired with Alolan Ninetails?
Okidogi, goltres, bax etc
dapper crag
well generally tankier mons
nocturne holly
Something that can set up thrives under screens
lofty tartan
Pick your flavor
dapper crag
galar moltres is good, iron hands, heatran, baxcalibur
molten oasis
What’s a good pokemon to be paired with Alolan Ninetails?
Bulkier Pokémon like Baxcalibur heatran goltres or Okidogi
Bundle is ok
vivid fern
I was thinking Bax might go with that
fallen rivet
Bax loves a veil
nocturne holly
I don’t like bundle in veil
vivid fern
Bundle too
molten oasis
Fr
lofty tartan
Looks like we all agree
dapper crag
only issue is generally those bulkier mons do well under TR so a faster offensive wet with ninetails
nocturne holly
Looks like we all agree
Fr lol
nocturne holly
iron bundle is annoying af
fallen rivet
I tried to use it in showdown and never did
dapper crag
yea veil doesnt save IB its defenses are poop
nocturne holly
Booster spe icy wind sucks
I wish moon was faster
fallen rivet
Switching it with farigiraf
lofty tartan
I mean I've had Flutter survive Heavy Slam raw in Veil so you can basically go with anything
molten oasis
Booster spe icy wind sucks
I wish moon was faster
So you wish moon has 207 speed lol
dapper crag
a tankier bax set is great, just build around their weaknesses
vivid fern
So far I’m running Empoleon, Raichu, Dragapult, Ninetails, Corv and Peppiler
fallen rivet
Tera fairy or ground
nocturne holly
So you wish moon has 207 speed lol
yea basically
vivid fern
I’m doing okay for lower ranked matches
dapper crag
like a SD bax set with protect and ice shard glaive rush
molten oasis
207 as in 137 base
vivid fern
But I’m looking for a slow to mid speed if I’m trickroomed
nocturne holly
207 as in 137 base
Yes
vivid fern
Hence Alolan Ninetails
molten oasis
Ok
dapper crag
alolan ninetails is p fast
lofty tartan
Not the mon for what?
molten oasis
Tr
lofty tartan
Oh god no
vivid fern
Ehh might swap it out then
molten oasis
A9 is kinda shit in tr
lofty tartan
You want slow snow you go abomasnow
molten oasis
and like, abomasnow fucking sucks
vivid fern
In general or in TR?
vivid fern
Oof big rip
lofty tartan
So ATales has a base 109 speed
molten oasis
If a9 is legal you just do a9
dapper crag
yea i mean you can run your 4 core
have them be kinda weak to TR and then slot in amoongus iron hands in the back
vivid fern
I’m running support A9
molten oasis
That’s like, it’s main role anyway
vivid fern
Just to stay in the fight and help whoever
fallen rivet
Abamasnow needs a regional variant really bad
lofty tartan
So ATales has a base 109 speed
For context Urshifu has base 97 and is a very fast pick.
If you're going TR you want natively slow things
lofty tartan
The reality is that neither ATales or Abomasnow really help enable trick room and they're not like amazingly strong sweepers inside of trick room, to take advantage of the 5 turns of speed control that you have
molten oasis
And veil ofc
lofty tartan
You wanna maximize TR turns
vivid fern
But once I’m TRed I’m fucked cause most of my mons are fast
lofty tartan
Yup
vivid fern
My only worry
heady onyx
The reality is that neither ATales or Abomasnow really help enable trick room an...
4 since TR goes up last but counts towards turn count
molten oasis
See
It depends if your mons are bulky
Against non sunroom teams you can lead a9 and veil
lofty tartan
4 since TR goes up last but counts towards turn count
Goodness semantics. Why are we gonna focus on turn count when the discussion is about Atales and Abomasnow
vivid fern
Mons that I’ve made bulky are Empoleon, Corv and A9
molten oasis
Uhh
heady onyx
sorry had a lot of semantics going around trick room not too long ago lol
winged forum
What moves should I replace for protect? I’m preparing a team for Indigo Disk - it’s going to be doubles
winged forum
lofty tartan
Pastes are far better because they show actual info like EVs
And isn't a mess of screenshots
winged forum
Ok
Alolan Decidueye ★♂ (nickname: Peppermint) @Choice Band
Ability: Long Reach
Tera Type: Dark
Adamant Nature
EVS: 252 HP/ 252 ATK/ 4 SPD
-Shadow Sneak
-U-Turn
-Brave Bird
-Leaf Blade
Talonflame ♀ (nickname: Agni) @Charcoal
Ability: Gale Winds
Tera Type: Fire
Jolly Nature
EVS: 252 HP/ 252 ATK/ 4 SPD
-Roost
-Will o Wisp
-Flare Blitz
-Tailwind
Sylveon ★♂ (nickname: Blueberry) @Throat Spray
Ability: Pixilate
Tera Type: Fairy
Modest Nature
EVS: 252 HP/ 252 SPA/ 4 SPD
-Hyper Voice
-Reflect
-Psyshock
-Helping Hand
Revavroom ♀ (nickname: Tesla) @Air Balloon
Ability: Filter
Tera Type: Flying
Adamant Nature
EVS: 252 HP/ 252 ATK/ 4 SPD
-Shift Gears
-Iron Head
-Poison Jab
-Toxic
Milotic ♂ (nickname: Kaito) @Flame Orb
Ability: Marvel Scale
Tera Type: Fairy
Bold Nature
EVS: 252 DEF/ 252 HP/ 4 SPA
-Recover
-Scald
-Ice Beam
-Life Dew
Krookodile ♀ (nickname: Hesperia) @Life Orb
Ability: Intimidate
Tera Type: Fighting
Adamant Nature
EVS: 252 ATK/ 252 HP/ 4 DEF
-Stomping Tantrum
-Crunch
-Brick Break
-Rock Slide
lofty tartan
Alolan Decidueye ★♂ (nickname: Peppermint) @Choice Band
Ability: Long Reach
Tera...
Please just send the link
Like this
molten oasis
dapper crag
Mons that I’ve made bulky are Empoleon, Corv and A9
i mean if you wanna run A9 then go fast and build a 4 core around veil/typing. then slot in a mon or 2 to either stop tr from coming up aka taunt/fakeout support or something thatll underspeed most tr mons like amoongus who is still a good support outside of tr.
heady onyx
Alolan Decidueye ★♂ (nickname: Peppermint) @Choice Band
Ability: Long Reach
Tera...
cool nicknames I like it, you've got some great underdogs
lofty tartan
That's the link to the main pokepaste website
molten oasis
That didn’t do anything lol
winged forum
Not sure how to do it
molten oasis
I got u
heady onyx
take your time, no stress
lofty tartan
You've got this up on showdown right?
winged forum
Ok
molten oasis
I should have circled it
winged forum
Lemme make it very quick
molten oasis
Ight, no rush
winged forum
Ok, no rush 😊
karmic temple
Any rilla spreadz 🤭
vivid fern
Does Raichu still know Fake Out in SV??
cyan smelt
Yes
fallen rivet
Any rilla spreadz 🤭
What kind are ya looking for?
molten oasis
Rillaboom @ Meadow Plate
Ability: Grassy Surge
Tera Type: Fire
EVs: 196 HP / 172 Atk / 4 Def / 60 SpD / 76 Spe
Adamant Nature
- Wood Hammer
- Grassy Glide
- Fake Out
- High Horsepower
heady onyx
Does Raichu still know Fake Out in SV??
heck yeah
vivid fern
TM or thru Level Up
molten oasis
Yiu can replace the item for sitrus or av
cyan smelt
Egg move
heady onyx
TM or thru Level Up
breeding
vivid fern
Rip
molten oasis
Yep
lofty tartan
Egg moves are transferred via Mirror Herb now
molten oasis
Mirror herb with a empty move spot in a picnic
heady onyx
you basically set up picnic + mirror herb on Raichu with another Mon that knows the move + free moveslot on Raichu
winged forum
How do I see my Pokémon’s ivs?
molten oasis
Have the Mon that knows fo for example in the party with mirror herb Raichu
lofty tartan
It has to be only the two pokemon in your party - the one who knows the move and Raichu with an empty move slot
molten oasis
I’ve had it work with a team of 6
heady onyx
You can have multiple Mons learning same egg move
vivid fern
Been too long away from playing Pokemon I’m slowly getting back into so thanks yalll
lofty tartan
What moves should I replace for protect? I’m preparing a team for Indigo Disk - ...
On this screen hit L
molten oasis
I don’t suggest it tho
heady onyx
doesn't need to be just two
lofty tartan
Oh wait no just go to boxes and hit + til you see the IV reads @winged forum
Thought you meant EVs for a second 
It'll show Best/Pretty Good/Decent/etc
If any are below best, then hyper train them in Montenevera with Bottle Caps
fallen rivet
Or your special attack on a physical attacker
Or speed on a trick room mom but I don’t think that applies here
dapper crag
shout out to pokemon for giving us mochi
fuck nintendo for not fixing urshifu sprite
cyan smelt
I prefer lady clear tbh
dapper crag
lol
cyan smelt
And dojo vitamins
molten oasis
Mochi is goated
fallen rivet
Power items giving 8 ev’s is nice too
molten oasis
Maybe we’ll get the rusty bottle cap in the dlc (probably not)
dapper crag
i need nintendos email, everytime i lose to urshifu i wanna send them a complaint
fallen rivet
Lul
fallen rivet
i need nintendos email, everytime i lose to urshifu i wanna send them a complain...
Me whenever rillaboom looks at me funny
dapper crag
rillaboom isnt sharing his sprite with fluttermane
molten oasis
Fr
dapper crag
so you know its a rillaboom youre going vs
cyan smelt
I still can't believe I saw an urshifu outspeed eleki
molten oasis
Which shifu am I fighting lol
molten oasis
I still can't believe I saw an urshifu outspeed eleki
I’m sorry what?
How tf did that happen
cyan smelt
Must've been choice scarfed jolly vs modest eleki
lofty tartan
Jolly Scarf
fallen rivet
Scarf + TW probs
cyan smelt
No tw
fallen rivet
O dang
molten oasis
dapper crag
no tw wowza
molten oasis
I feel like no tw was obvious tbh
nocturne holly
-calc 163*1.5
gentle cragBOT
Result: 244.500000
molten oasis
That eleki must not have had much speed investment then
lofty tartan
Always possible
molten oasis
It was 243 speed
molten oasis
At MAX speed with eleki
It would have had to be 180 speed modest
That’s the only way
Or like
4 speed timid
lofty tartan
It's true - without TW you need like 253 to outspeed modest max speed Eleki and Jolly Scarf hits 244
cyan smelt
What EVs do people even invest in with eleki
molten oasis
Usually max
Ik there’s that new eleki team around
I’m not sure what speed it’s hitting
lofty tartan
Always possible it wasn't max speed 🤷
molten oasis
I don’t think it was
lofty tartan
People have done crazier
heady onyx
What EVs do people even invest in with eleki
near max hp did great at LAIC
molten oasis
Welp, I’m gonna go play more portal 2
Maybe finish it today
I’ll be around but not as much
heady onyx
it's smart, you are deceptively tanky
dapper crag
SableyeBot version 4.24.4
next stump
it was probably EV’d to hit a certain speed first, then to deal certain damage calcs with Helping Hand or Beads of Ruin, and then rest dumped into bulk
fallen rivet
Huh. I thought it had more hp
next stump
the most common hits I just checked and none seem specifically calc’d for
leave it up to Ryota Otsubo to cook with AV Urshifu-S
and Specs H-Typhlosion
molten oasis
Ok specs hyplosion sounds fun
next stump
definitely seems like a fun team
charred saddle
ohh icy wind flutter sash
can that AV ursh live some common moves from flutter? like gleam?
or it still needs to tera?
molten oasis
Id assume so
dapper crag
no way its 4x
charred saddle
since its 4x
charred saddle
id assume moonblast still ohkoes it, question is gleam / shadow ball
since people can predict it going poison tera poison jab it. i dont think shadow kills
next stump
If flutter has any damage boosting item or tera, you faint
otherwise if it’s speed booster no tera, you can live gleam
charred saddle
bleakwind yeahyeah
winged forum
https://pokepast.es/7445db287930cb66
What moves should I replace for Protect? - team is for Indigo Disk (ingame)
charred saddle
so heatwave chiyu + beads prob no ko?
next stump
https://pokepast.es/7445db287930cb66
What moves should I replace for Protect? -...
Singles team? or for the story line?
charred saddle
will overheat still get the ko tho
dapper crag
https://pokepast.es/f09fb56e22390051 just finished my paste, thoughts and constructive criticism pls
winged forum
Singles team? or for the story line?
Doubles team - for the dlc
dapper crag
lmfao dillon
winged forum
According to the preview, the DLC will focus on double battles
charred saddle
https://pokepast.es/f09fb56e22390051 just finished my paste, thoughts and constr...
i just dont really like ursh sword dance, even if you want it there i would want some fake out support to help with setting up
next stump
if you’re looking at teams to play for the campaign, try #sv_discussion once the DLC drops
this chat is for PVP battles
dapper crag
yea idk i was wanting AV but i also wanted to try SD
and i didnt wanna give up protect and uturn didnt seem to valuable
winged forum
this chat is for PVP battles
Another user directed me here, for the team to get suggestions
charred saddle
ur setting up with a very frail specially defence mon
charred saddle
and no speed investment = u will prob get outspeed
molten oasis
I tried it myself, everyone told me not to do it
charred saddle
and no sucker to help
next stump
I don’t think many people here are too invested in creating teams for the story, I bet most people here are just blasting through it with level 100s as fast as possible
dapper crag
i mean for speed i had scary face and TW
next stump
but if you want to stick around, you may find someone
winged forum
I don’t think many people here are too invested in creating teams for the story,...
Ok
dapper crag
yea hes not bulky at all tho so he probs just dies in bad spots
charred saddle
eh ig, you can try if you want. i just dont feel the need of sword dance
dapper crag
but i figured if i tera him and get an sd off he could deal w/ flutter P well
charred saddle
last time i saw sword dance ursh it was paired with IH and hard pressure t1 to set it
dapper crag
okay so lets say you were to try SD how would you change the evs? considering scary face TW and two icy winds on the team
charred saddle
and its a very gimmicky thing. since flutter lead and you are forced to tera
dapper crag
yea
winged forum
but if you want to stick around, you may find someone
I posted in the DLC discussion as well
charred saddle
okay so lets say you were to try SD how would you change the evs? considering sc...
im not EV expert so i cant help haha
im just pointing out gameplay wise
pretty new to it anyway, so take it with a grain of salt
dapper crag
which i dont like and i dont have much healing on the team
i mean i like av more i just dont know what value uturn gives me over protect really, and if im not running av do i just go full offense? choice band maybe?
charred saddle
sucker punch in Dark urshifu is VERY important for me
dapper crag
i dont like scarf cause i have so much speed contro alr
charred saddle
the prio hits nice. especially with Band
dapper crag
okay i like band a lil more than av here but i still lose protect 😦
and if i take band ill still wanna tera a lot of the times i feel
charred saddle
and idk if u want fluttermane with icy wind when u are specs
since like you have it on iron bundle and torn
dapper crag
i couldnt decide on flutters last move and the spread entirely, figured the spread was okay but yea
takes away from potential coverage
charred saddle
you can do other coverage moves, power gem is annoying
lemme see some calcs for gem a bit
132+ SpA Choice Specs Flutter Mane Power Gem vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Arcanine-Hisui: 170-202 (100 - 118.8%) -- guaranteed OHKO
Harc walls flutter and chiyu, you can run power gem to cover for Harc
with beads, i dont think bulk investment helps Harc
even if it lives, chiyu is faster anyway
dapper crag
i like power gem here more than icy wind, im just stuck on urshifu
if i go band and put ev investment in bulk is it worth it since i have speed control in torn?
ima just try it out
charred saddle
never played with rapid or single Urhs. so i cant really help you here.
i dont have kubfus for it lmao
charred saddle
if i go band and put ev investment in bulk is it worth it since i have speed con...
i hate Band Dark urshifu so much
or scarf water urshifu
dapper crag
i gotta see how useful it is, its basically just how much speed do i want
charred saddle
that 2 is so annoying to deal with
dapper crag
yea if im taking band then why not scarf cause hes not super fast and that helps w/ flutter but also why not AV semi tanky
charred saddle
prob do like dillon said, calc speed EV to outspeed certain mons you want. )keep in mind with ur speed controls)
then put some into your atk investment then dump rest on bulk if u really want it
but even then dumping that rest will only be like 100-200 at best EVs spread. so you better just do some common matchups
rather than going for general bulk
winged forum
https://pokepast.es/7445db287930cb66
What moves should I replace for Protect? - team is for Indigo Disk (ingame)
I know this isn't an ingame channel
winged forum
The other channels are not active at the moment
dapper crag
if you level to 100 in game story willl be cheese any moves so gl hf
maybe main SV discussion channel?
or indigodiskussion channel
winged forum
maybe main SV discussion channel?
That channel isn't active at the moment unfortunatly. I rather complete the DLC with a challenge
dapper crag
goodluck <:CryThumbsUp:964437784632897536>
thx v much for your advice fam, hope you have a gn gonna go test the team now ❤️
gentle cragBOT
thx v much for your advice fam, hope you have a gn gonna go test the team now ❤️
Clubbin_It has given 1 Gen Rep to abused1
charred saddle
its morning tho in my place haha
dapper crag
its p late and its thanksgiving so thats probably why, gl with teambuilding @winged forum
gentle cragBOT
its p late and its thanksgiving so thats probably why, gl with teambuilding <@87...
You gave Gen Rep too recently. You can give Gen Rep again <t:1700799620:R>.
mellow barn
Morning
dapper crag
shut up, bot
mellow barn
dapper crag
i was talkin to the bot
winged forum
its p late and its thanksgiving so thats probably why, gl with teambuilding <@87...
Ok, I'll try again tomorrow. My country doesn't celebrate Thanksgiving,
gentle cragBOT
Ok, I'll try again tomorrow. My country doesn't celebrate Thanksgiving,
poppliojas has given 1 Gen Rep to Clubbin_It
dapper crag
goodmorning @mellow barn
mellow barn
goodmorning <@393869173593210887>
Morning and I was pulling a leg, no worries 
Time for me to get that Samurot
mellow barn
dapper crag
24ish hours until another regional stream 🙂
which one good sir ?
next stump
Poland I believe
mellow barn
There is also the other one that is in Australia but that isn't show 
fallen rivet
When’s the next twitch stream for vgc
next stump
RIPP australia never streams anything
next stump
When’s the next twitch stream for vgc
around 30 hours from now
mellow barn
Holy crap Samurott is evil
dapper crag
Holy crap Samurott is evil <:beeggasp:938175961306894336>
???
dapper crag
The new raid
miraidon solos it pretty reliably
cyan smelt
Wait why are they not streaming Brisbane
mellow barn
Ok, while Samurott is cool. It will have trouble with Rillaboom and Iron Hands
charred saddle
H samurott or just samurott?
mellow barn
H Samurott
charred saddle
flutter
mellow barn
Rillaboom can OHKO it with Grassy Glide
dapper crag
SableyeBot version 4.24.4
mellow barn
And Wood Hammer has 62,5% on OHKO
charred saddle
65 sp def against flutter who naturally outspeeding it.
how does grassy glide ohko and wood hammer isnt? it has lower BP
u mightve calced it wrong
mellow barn
how does grassy glide ohko and wood hammer isnt? it has lower BP
Oh it can, I just checked a different Tera
charred saddle
then you better specify it since people can take it differently
mellow barn
Wood hammer 185,4 - 219,%
If you allow me to finish I will
Ghost Tera Samurott against Wood Hammer will have 62,5% OHKO
But yeah, no cool starter for competitive
mighty stump
Eh
The starters aren’t winning regionals anytime soon but generally they still fall under the “viable”
prt
mighty stump
Im running Emboar no one can stop@me
charred saddle
who will do serperior is the question 
mellow barn
Venusaur anyone? 
mighty stump
Venusaur anyone? <a:shy_kitty:859309893646942238>
Miss Powder
mighty stump
who will do serperior is the question <:kek:859404638960746516>
More than likely
molten oasis
Isn’t serperior kinda decent tho?
dapper crag
SableyeBot version 4.24.4
dapper crag
SableyeBot version 4.24.4
molten oasis
Wtf does this thing do
minor fossil
Contrary Leaf Storm
cyan smelt
malamar's coming back too
chrome knot
Contrary Leaf Storm
allow me to introduce
dapper crag
SableyeBot version 4.24.4
chrome knot
wooo!!!
dapper crag
SableyeBot version 4.24.4
gloomy crescent
Heya yall
gloomy crescent
So a9 sets up snow
And since bax is an ice type it’s defense gets raised in it
Then a9 sets up veil
Making bax even bulkier
And since bax is so bulky it can start setting up with dd and sd
@vivid fern
Idk what dd and sd is
vivid fern
Ok so pretty much what I’ve been reading and finding
Fosure ok time to start breeding!
gloomy crescent
You can always get the evs of my pokepaste
It's in rentals for both of those mons
@rain cedar quick check up this chats dead right now
rain cedar
Alright
gloomy crescent
@mellow barn please help him
rain cedar
Not now
gloomy crescent
Oh
rain cedar
I'm busy with classes on the Academy
gloomy crescent
mellow barn
What is it?
rain cedar
Oh sorry for disturbance my fellow friend
mellow barn
None taken, what is the issue?
rain cedar
Nothing I will just go back to class
gloomy crescent
What is it?
Aaron needs help soon
rain cedar
Not now though
mellow barn
Ok, let me know when needed. I continue learning about Azure
rain cedar
Yes you helped thanks again Leafy it's not the time for doing a competitive stuff I'm still busy with completing all classes at Uva
@gloomy crescent
I need to take a bath see you later guys
gloomy crescent
@rain cedar Aaron you can take some of my ev sets on my rentals paste
dull ibex
Hello
vivid fern
Max speed or max attack for Bax
empty haven
My garganacl just got flinched 3 times in a row by icicle crash 
The guy didn’t miss once ether
I pray for this guys downfall
mighty stump
<@852906319065382942> Aaron you can take some of my ev sets on my rentals paste
Your Iron Hands set is wasting EVs
Just an FYI
Also
minor fossil
allow me to introduce
I prefer Lurantis too but Serperior was introduced first
fallen rivet
Horrifying thought: Bulu gets grassy glide
Or lele gets expanding force
Or koko gets rising voltage
cyan smelt
wonder if fini keeps scald
balmy glen
What mons are u guys looking forward to using in post DLC2
minor fossil
Metagross
strange sorrel
If I'm running covert cloak on Tornadus, what should my tera type be? I've seen steel be used but I'm not sure what specifically it's meant to resist
Or is steel just meant to give broad resistances?
charred saddle
dark tera for taunt
so usually its mental herb + ghost tera
or covert + dark tera
both covers for taunt and fake outs
fake out is more prevalent than taunt, hence i liked covert more
but covert cloak and steel tera is also a good choice if you are doing some spAtk investment since you can spam it later on
strange sorrel
Yeah I used to run ghost tera and feel like i had to burn it somewhat frequently if i absolutely needed to get tailwind up, but with cloak i never tera anymore
charred saddle
yep
or the other choice you can do is protect and sitrus
and run steel tera
protect for FO potential
the one and only tofu
dapper crag
or the other choice you can do is protect and sitrus
oh no go rocky helmet
gives you better matchup into balance
dapper crag
Horrifying thought: Bulu gets grassy glide
They are not in the game, why do you think something not in the game will get a move can you explain that to me pls
fallen rivet
This was more for dlc speculation
next stump
Or is steel just meant to give broad resistances?
steel can help with extreme speed and ice moves, that’s normally why it is used
fluid tinsel
hi im new here, anyone tryna battle?
idk if im in the right place but i got a ton of teams and no one to play against
next stump
#1046572041421197352 might be a better place unless you specify here what format you want to play
if it's VGC, there will be some people who'd be down to play
fluid tinsel
im new to vgc but i prefer smogon
fluid tinsel
in game ideally
next stump
im not sure there are any regulars in this chat that would want to do that, so I'd try #1046572041421197352
fluid tinsel
thank you @next stump i'll post in there. appreciate the help 🙂
gentle cragBOT
thank you <@197813560997314562> i'll post in there. appreciate the help 🙂
smitty9381 has given 1 Gen Rep to mlbd
next stump
you're welcome 🙂
near crag
I played lots of games with this team, Crescelia, Sinestcha, Iron-hands, and alolan ninetales are obliterating me. What should I do? https://pokepast.es/210786f8628de439
thanks
next stump
is it specifically Iron Hands under trick room or just iron hands in general
near crag
in general
next stump
252+ Atk Choice Band Landorus-Therian Stomping Tantrum vs. 76 HP / 4 Def Iron Hands: 212-252 (88.7 - 105.4%) -- 31.3% chance to OHKO
Obviously it's dependent on what their partner is, but banded landorus is about as hard of a counter you can get to iron hands 1 on 1
wait also... protect on a choice item set doesn't really work
drop that for u-turn
near crag
my lead usually is dragonite chien-pao, those mons are destroyed by the ones I listed before
next stump
you have to change your lead depending on the opposing team
near crag
even though the types are sometimes super effective
next stump
dragonite/chien-pao is not super great into hands if they have a partner that can threaten dragonite
near crag
How about the other ones
I don't like to even think of how many times I lost in the turn 20 with amoonguss versus sinescha
next stump
sinistcha is handled pre-tera tera by Chien-Pao:
252+ Atk Sword of Ruin Chien-Pao Icicle Crash vs. 252 HP / 84 Def Sinistcha: 176-210 (98.8 - 117.9%) -- 93.8% chance to OHKO
If they tera defensively to set up trick room, the most common tera types are water/fire so it's kind of variable determining what else to use into it
next stump
I'd personally lead like Chien-Pao Amoonguss if you know they're going to lead Sinistcha, and use Icicle Crash + Spore into it
Or you can lead Chien-Pao + Landorus, Icicle Crash + U-Turn and get your Amoonguss out under TR against them
near crag
what should I do about alolan ninetales?
gloomy crescent
@near crag whats your full team?
near crag
next stump
252+ SpA Life Orb Transistor Regieleki Electroweb vs. 220 HP / 60 SpD Ninetales-Alola: 52-62 (29.5 - 35.2%) -- 14.3% chance to 3HKO
252 Atk Mystic Water Tera-Water Urshifu-Rapid Strike Surging Strikes (3 hits) vs. 220 HP / 20 Def Ninetales-Alola in Snow on a critical hit: 132-162 (75 - 92%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
webs + strikes will slow their speed and them you KO them before screens
gloomy crescent
Wait I have 4 more evs on that?
gloomy crescent
4 stats?
mighty stump
There are 6 stats, HP/Atk/Def/SpAtk/SpDef/Speed
If you only invest in 2/4/6 stats at level 50
You're wasting EVs
mighty stump
24 Wastes 4 EVs because 4 of those EVs don't get used
The only valid numbers are ones that foplow 4+8x
The natural progression of that EV increase would be 4-12-20-28
You put 24 EVs
Which gives the same final stat of 20 anyways
gloomy crescent
4 of what evs?
mighty stump
mighty stump
4 of what evs?
Its your own spread what do you mean
You put 24 EVs in Def
Which is the same as putting 20 EVs
gloomy crescent
Ohhhhh
mighty stump
-comp EV
gloomy crescent
I'm new to this so idk much
bold geode
gloomy crescent
Ok ima learn more on Sunday or monday
smoky hawk
Ok ima learn more on Sunday or monday
Here's a good tool for figuring out your EVs and calculating damage
mighty stump
The only thing is that the calculator doesn't auto correct your EVs
So you can still waste them
So go for the final stat numbers
Rather than the EV
When using the sliders on Showdown
smoky hawk
Yes, showdown auto corrects EVs
If using the damage calc, I always make sure that the EVs used are the lowest amount needed to hit a certain stat number
Rather than 4 over or something like that
gloomy crescent
@smoky hawk thanks
gentle cragBOT
<@626061136093249591> thanks
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wet wedge
I swear if the UBs ever come back ever
Mirai Xurkitree cores are gonna go CRAZY with rising voltage tail glow
+3 252+ SpA Tera Electric Xurkitree Rising Voltage (140 BP) vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Eviolite Dipplin in Electric Terrain: 187-220 (51.3 - 60.4%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
Just for reference, this is a quad resist btw
mellow barn
My notes are on point
mighty stump
You know you could just use PASRS
mellow barn
I didn't know and now I know. (Mostly wanted to do excel to have personal notes 
)
gloomy crescent
Holy arceus
mellow barn
Found it
gloomy crescent
I'm not allowed me consoles this weekend so no grinding battle tower and competitive
mellow barn
https://x.com/bauerdadvgc/status/1721641267388367056?s=46&t=NSIK9f9OViHUJnm37QZc...
Thank you
karmic temple
9 game lose streak AMA
wet wedge
What do you guys think will happen to watershifu after korai and mirai are legal
Because mirai ohkos it like its butter and korai takes zero
next stump
urshifu was not super strong last gen during restricted meta
gloomy crescent
9 game lose streak AMA
20 game lose streak I'm at
next stump
so it would not shock me if it's out of the format again, or a lot less prevelant
gloomy crescent
urshifu was not super strong last gen during restricted meta
I'm seeing it and I'm taking it out
wet wedge
so it would not shock me if it's out of the format again, or a lot less prevelan...
Most likely yea
mellow barn
Where? 👀
nocturne holly
in my game lol
mellow barn
Ah
nocturne holly
against shifu, firepon, and amoonguss
So basically a 2v1 cuz moonguss ain’t doing SHIT
mellow barn
amoonguss doesn't have to do much Spore and Rage Powder. Not even that, just Protect and Poof
nocturne holly
amoonguss doesn't have to do much <:Kek:937219778450456626> Spore and Rage Powde...
dengo is immune to spore
mellow barn
Ah
nocturne holly
it has good as gold
mellow barn
Yeah it has
nocturne holly
Haven’t played cart since season 9
Starting off as poke ball 6 lmao
mellow barn
If only I had energy to think about comp etc. Been feelin sick lately 
nocturne holly
If only I had energy to think about comp etc. Been feelin sick lately <:playdead...
Ah that sucks
Hope you get better soon tho
gloomy crescent
nocturne holly
I’ve been having a ton of bloody noses recently
mellow barn
I’ve been having a ton of bloody noses recently
Like Sanji?
gloomy crescent
I hate losing in comp
nocturne holly
it’s always in the same nostril
I think I’m gonna have to get it cauterized
nocturne holly
Like Sanji?
who
nocturne holly
oh yeah I haven’t watched one piece lmao
I’m gonna start
hopefully
Tera fighting shifu?
what the fuck
Tera fighting only to u turn?
mellow barn
nocturne holly
interesting ass play
mellow barn
Guess they tried to mitigate damage
nocturne holly
nope
Its scarfed
mellow barn
nocturne holly
And hands wasn’t outspeeding
mellow barn
I can see Brick Brake being used by Hands or Urshifu
nocturne holly
why not just use cc?
mellow barn
Close Combat is good and powerful. But since people are running screens and Aurora Veils.
Brick Break will... brick them.
nocturne holly
oh you’re right it is brick break
mellow barn
Also doesn't lower def
nocturne holly
that’s goofy
Haven’t seen that at ALL
mellow barn
Most likely have Detect too
nocturne holly
it had u turn
So thought it was scarfed/banded
mellow barn
Most likely Pivot Urshifu
mellow barn
It isn't regulary, maybe someone decided to change the norm
nocturne holly
that Tera fighting was very useless
the norm works good tho
That set honestly isn’t good
I can see a case for brick break
but not having protect?
mellow barn
Oh they don't run Detect`?
nocturne holly
I think the set was surging, brick break, u turn, detect
Or smth of those lines
mellow barn
Detect = Protect
nocturne holly
If you want u turn I think you would give up aqua jet
silk lily
Whats a good set for ogerpon
mellow barn
Whats a good set for ogerpon
Which one? Fire Water Grass or Rock?
silk lily
I wanna try fire
nocturne holly
What do I name this team https://pokepast.es/56674c73442bf30d
that’s gonna be the rental
mellow barn
I wanna try fire
Ogerpon-Hearthflame (F) @ Hearthflame Mask
Ability: Mold Breaker
Level: 50
Tera Type: Fire
EVs: 244 HP / 116 Atk / 68 Def / 4 SpD / 76 Spe
Adamant Nature
- Ivy Cudgel
- Swords Dance
- Horn Leech
- Spiky Shield
Here is a bulkier version of it.
Able to increase damage with Swords Dance and Horn Leech for life gain.
Shield working as protect.
If you are running Rillaboom would suggest switching Sword Dance to Grassy Glide and tweek EV's to more offensive and speed.
Ogerpon-Hearthflame (F) @ Hearthflame Mask
Ability: Mold Breaker
Level: 50
Tera Type: Fire
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature
- Ivy Cudgel
- Grassy Glide
- Horn Leech
- Spiky Shield
This one is more faster set with Priority Grassy Glide if Grass terrain is on.
I currently have 200 shards per type on me
nocturne holly
tf
bitch I haven’t even beaten the story yet
I’m still at the part where you have to go around the map and fight the loyal 3
mellow barn
I’m still at the part where you have to go around the map and fight the loyal 3
Good luck on that
nocturne holly
it’s not hard
I’m just lazy
dapper crag
but the glimmering charm from completing pokedex is op
nocturne holly
Yea I’m planning on working on that shit this weekend
I’m going out of town with no internet
Can’t play cart so might as well beat story and get dex
mellow barn
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eBmgvrao_TM
EYY YO!!! Stall team!
gloomy crescent
They didn't?
molten oasis
I’m going out of town with no internet
Can’t play cart so might as well beat sto...
You didn’t beat the 6 hour story
mellow barn
That reminds me, I need to play my DLC through on my Violet game 🤔
molten oasis
Tf were you doing
nocturne holly
Tf were you doing
it’s kinda boring
molten oasis
So that literally means you don’t have ogerpon
gloomy crescent
That reminds me, I need to play my DLC through on my Violet game 🤔
Aren't you the guy with 4 lines of kita legendarys or is that someone else
molten oasis
Or the loyal 3
gloomy crescent
Or blood ursa
mellow barn
Aren't you the guy with 4 lines of kita legendarys or is that someone else
Someone else, I just have both games 😛
molten oasis
You can get blood Ursa without finishing the story
I think I did that first before finishing the story
gloomy crescent
Someone else, I just have both games 😛
Water of money
nocturne holly
Aren't you the guy with 4 lines of kita legendarys or is that someone else
I do not
molten oasis
Also cigar, boo hoo finish the dlc
gloomy crescent
I think I did that first before finishing the story
Yeah j did that too
molten oasis
You should have access to ogerpon
minor fossil
I have both games as well but haven't got the DLC for Violet
mellow barn
I wish I had water of money
gloomy crescent
I wish I had water of money <:Kek:937219778450456626>
Auto correct ok auto correct I'm Turing it off now
nocturne holly
Talking to ipex but okay
Wrong message mb
nocturne holly
So that literally means you don’t have ogerpon
I do not
molten oasis
It legit does not take that long
gloomy crescent
I thought scarf was OP
OP would have changed to OT if it wasnt for no auto correct
gloomy crescent
What are all of the choice items and what do they all do
mellow barn
So many viable comp pokemons on raids 👀
nocturne holly
fuck Gholdengos slower
gloomy crescent
@nocturne holly have you boosted the speed on goldengo
gloomy crescent
Yeah
I havent done it yet tho
Gonna do it weekend 2
https://pokepast.es/33a13512be9b1aaa heres the strats my bf sent in his server
Wait isnt there pinned strats in the channel
Oh well
molten oasis
banded EQ goes so hard
Eq in a format with rillaboom?
The main reason lando does scarf and no eq is because of how popular rilla is, and lando wants the speed
dapper crag
Eq in a format with rillaboom?
Run both Stomping and EQ
Pick the right move, I'm using Rilla on the team
molten oasis
That’s an even worse reason to have eq
dapper crag
no
molten oasis
Yea
dapper crag
I'm using the rank 1 team from bo3 ladder
molten oasis
Ok, idc
molten oasis
I still think eq and rilla do not mix
dapper crag
The main reason lando does scarf and no eq is because of how popular rilla is, a...
bando lando was op in recent tourneys
why are you so rude xD
molten oasis
At all
dapper crag
and ppl taking eq on it at times too
you not caring doesn't make something not great drago
molten oasis
Ok
dapper crag
145 atk stat + band is massive dmg
molten oasis
My point still stands, you have to play pretty heavily around clicking eq
As rillaboom is so popular as it is
molten oasis
Eq is rarely doing big damage
dapper crag
if u run rilla just dont run eq
you just don't click eq with grassy terrain up
not that complex
molten oasis
I’m aware but you can run rock slide or Tera blast instead
Rock slide helps with opposing flying types
dapper crag
no tera blast on this, defensive tera
u-turn rock slide stomping eq
i think take eq off if ur running stomping
no you want both
stomping is better but idk about running both
molten oasis
Not normally
dapper crag
so you can get Ground damage into grassy and spam EQ + torn
molten oasis
Ok, rilla doesn’t care much
Rilla runs av a lot
And bleakwind is a very inconsistent move
dapper crag
^
still has to consider it
very inconsistent but present on most tornadus
you're funny drago
cause it can 2 ohko
molten oasis
Because that’s the best option
molten oasis
I haven’t been banned from any discord what are you talking about?
dapper crag
not what comp moderator said when you disappear
molten oasis
K first of all
That was not related to Pokémon that was related to a blow out I had over a build up of stress
I left for my own reasons to cool off
dapper crag
not interested in discussing with you any longer
molten oasis
I came back when I was in a better mindstate
molten oasis
I’m not even mad
dapper crag
this team is rank#1 bo3, your opinion vs pros,
jay can u post the paste i wanna see what ur running to make eq viable
molten oasis
You don’t deserve to have this high ego because you train with Tang
dapper crag
its not a bad move especially with band
I made EVs, but the team is just crushing it
it's so good
oh i watched yea i was alr considering band lando because neils been talking about it for a bit
dapper crag
keep thinking
molten oasis
No, I’m not wrong
There’s a reason lando doesn’t run eq, and it’s rillaboom
And opposing Tornadus
Which are both extremely common mons
And even opposing lando
dapper crag
black and white boring analysis
always meta this and meta that, no place for actual experimentation
molten oasis
Boring analysis doesn’t mean by any means I’m wrong
dapper crag
i mean howre you piloting it around rilla atm?
like in general what 4 are you taking and what are the leads
dapper crag
i mean howre you piloting it around rilla atm?
stomping or eq, it's not complex
molten oasis
Also yea, the meta is what im going to reference
dapper crag
as in the pokes vs what teams lol
molten oasis
That’s what you should be building around
I don’t think eq is great because of the meta
Does it have potential sure
dapper crag
like when you go into matchmaking and see the enemy 6 what general leads do you run? like when does lando feel really good?
molten oasis
But there’s a lot of ways to just shut down the damage output rn
dapper crag
like when you go into matchmaking and see the enemy 6 what general leads do you ...
you adjust, it's not a straight answer
molten oasis
You’re not answering the question man
dapper crag
if a team always lead same stuff, cut what you never bring xD
partly asking for future reference cause i was gonna run the team after i got over with the team i just made
molten oasis
Also another issue with the slower lando, you’re now underspeeding things you’d want to be outspeeding
Like now you’re under Tera pressure from chi yu and urshifu
Even with torn
dapper crag
keep thinking instead of playing games
molten oasis
Im stating the flaws with banded lando I’ve run banded lando
molten oasis
Scarf helps your matchup into things like fluttermane urshifu and chi yu
molten oasis
you're the god of Pokemon with no results
And you think you are too?
dapper crag
just take this to showdown lol
molten oasis
Taking anything to showdown doesn’t prove anything
mellow barn
☝️
molten oasis
If someone goes “bo1 me” you’ve already lost
The argument
Jay what discord I want a name
Which discord did I get banned from
Give me a name
mellow barn
Jay would you please answer the question Drago answered and end this pointless squable
molten oasis
You’re dodging everything
dapper crag
https://pokepast.es/a0c816bf17806e4f thoughts on my team? wondering if I should run sash on torn
forest arrow
dapper crag
yeah I blocked them a while back, had to manually unveil their stupid messages
molten oasis
Tornadus @ Covert Cloak
Ability: Prankster
Level: 50
Tera Type: Steel
EVs: 252 HP / 36 Def / 220 SpA
Modest Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Bleakwind Storm
- Tailwind
- Taunt
- Sunny Day
molten oasis
Torn has bulk so it can get off a rain dance and a tw
dapper crag
also im running scary face specifically for speed control with my calcs I love it here
molten oasis
Living urshifu is a big benchmark it tends to want to hit
mellow barn
why bulk w/ cloak?
Generally it's good to have Tornadus around too as special attacker
dapper crag
but like if hes in an okay spot, on my team most things next to him will be exerting a lot of offensive pressure. unless ive lead terribly
molten oasis
My set is outdated as I think some torns invest heavily in defense to live chien pao
dapper crag
so like if torn is getting swung into im getting free hits off and his prankster usually lets him get 1-2 moves off anyways
yea i was thinking if i go vs chein pao i gotta see how i play it, but i do have dark urshifu
molten oasis
Torn also does like getting some chip damage off
dapper crag
which hits non tera and ghost tera for super
mellow barn
Generally you always wanna keep your pokemons alive than sacrifice them
molten oasis
Mhmm
dapper crag
but i think it gets ohkod by chein pao anyways tho ima go calc it 0.0
mellow barn
If Tornadus is there to only set up Tailwind then it's GG.
mellow barn
but i think it gets ohkod by chein pao anyways tho ima go calc it 0.0
But with defensive tera you can save it. Like Ghost or Steel
molten oasis
Oh I remember the bulk
dapper crag
yea you get ohkod unless you tera
you need max hp max def and an intimidate to live chein pao icicle crash
molten oasis
Check Tera water shifu
dapper crag
or just play around it
molten oasis
I’m like 90% sure that’s what that bulk is meant for
dapper crag
oh
well i do see some torn run rocky helmet bulk and thats annoying for them but
im running shroom
mellow barn
Then if I were in the play situation, I wouldn't lead with Tornadus if I know Chen Pao is also in the lead.
dapper crag
and bundle booster
yea i did that a bit ago but they didnt run pao anyways
team still works fine just a little harder without guarenteed speed
molten oasis
Against pao you can bring torn in the back
mellow barn
If you are able to pivot that can give you chance to tail.
dapper crag
it was tr with pao and harc i think
or something it was a few battles ago but i didnt wanna run TW
mellow barn
There is also Iron Bundle with speed control.
dapper crag
yea but thats not great vw TW and scary face
heady onyx
i click trick room
dapper crag
*prankster scary face
molten oasis
Oh if you’re doing scary face
dapper crag
which why im running it is i have my urshifu calc'd
dapper crag
under TW he outspeeds 132 speed ev timid speed booster flutter when they both have TW and flutters at -2 speed
mellow barn
This is why we also run slow mons on tailwind teams
heady onyx
I thought about that, made my Mons super slow
mellow barn
For Barbossa comment on TR
heady onyx
i made great team I like it vgc is fun
dapper crag
This is why we also run slow mons on tailwind teams <:Kek:937219778450456626>
i could impliment this..
molten oasis
So
It just depends on the Mon
Heatran and hands are good on torn teams
Not every slow Mon is good in tw
dapper crag
mid speed pokes but then I wouldnt be able to guarenteed outspeeding the booster mons
yea idk my team doesnt feel great vs TR thats why i added a few protects and shrooms
dapper crag
not unless you run TW and the booster mons
molten oasis
Moon and bundle are really strong with booster rn
It’s just hard to outspeed the booster mons in general
dapper crag
thats why with TW and scary face
molten oasis
If you’re tw gets matched it’s kinda just, not as big of a turn
dapper crag
i can actually set up urshifu to outspeed flutter
kinda easily, thats why i LOVE it
but also you have the apes running 252 timid speed booster and you cant top that
molten oasis
Is av shifu doing well for you?
dapper crag
its either AV or band
molten oasis
I think band would be better personally
dapper crag
idk it feels like with my team
i cant really swap around too much, id need more defensive flexibility to run band comfortably
next stump
dapper crag
like if i lock into a bad move im forced to switch out and yea I was thinking ab hands but also
molten oasis
https://pokepast.es/a0c816bf17806e4f thoughts on my team? wondering if I should ...
I’m moving this down
mellow barn
My general game plan with my current team against TR.
Do they have it? Yes. Bring Tornadus and Gholdengo
Now... opponent have two choices. Either commit to TR and I attack with both mons at them. Or they plan to take one of them out and I set Tailwind and Protect.
Do they have potential Wide Guard? Yes. I focus on one of them. Mostly the one that is damage dealer.
Trick Room is good since most of it's mons are bulky but also Special Attacks (exeptions are there like Ursaluna, Iron Hands etc.)
But they lack speed because they don't really invest on it, so fast and powerful attacker like Urshifu deals nice damage.
molten oasis
<:sobpog:1029467411788873738>
mellow barn
<:sobpog:1029467411788873738>
Congratulations! 
mellow barn
<:sobpog:1029467411788873738>
Do you mind sharing the team?
molten oasis
like if i lock into a bad move im forced to switch out and yea I was thinking ab...
With band and scarf and specs you gotta think ahead a little
dapper crag
yea i mean
heady onyx
nice
molten oasis
Although I’m pretty sure just about nothing wants to take banded wicked blow
dapper crag
thats why i was thinking av better
if i run av drain punch instead of CC i get staying power
pearl wind
<:sobpog:1029467411788873738>
oh wow nice! 
heady onyx
god rank right there
molten oasis
Well at that point you just do sash as shifu doesn’t have great staying power
dapper crag
and invest into more spdef instead of atk
heady onyx
truly good player wwow
dapper crag
i mean if im vs flutter i just tera
molten oasis
Shifus role tends to be just, doing dsmage
heady onyx
Shifus role tends to be just, doing dsmage
not it can pin and force pivot
dapper crag
and the spdef helps me take aboud 30%ish from it while i can heal off its partner or 2 ohko it
molten oasis
oh boy another one
mellow barn
LET'S GO!!! DILLON THE MASTER! 
fallen rivet
GGs
heady onyx
Dillon is great player
dapper crag
yea thats why i liked band
heady onyx
Doesn't have the helper tag for nothing
molten oasis
and the spdef helps me take aboud 30%ish from it while i can heal off its partne...
I mean sure
dapper crag
but it doesnt ohko every mon
mellow barn
I wanna fight them and lose. And fight again and lose. Until I beat them
dapper crag
and if im doing that i wanna force a defensive tera
dapper crag
yea like into most matchups if im running band max atk thats what id be aiming for i feel
heady onyx
forcing tera early is not always great
dapper crag
cause if they dont i win, and in most cases they do its an actual battle still
heady onyx
take what drago says with grain of salt
dapper crag
but in general getting a tera forced outta you can feel p shitty
molten oasis
Yea
dapper crag
just to not get attacked into and have them setup or protect
molten oasis
That’s the pressure with using Tera
They could go for a different play and then you waste it early
The benefits of an early Tera is that tool is gone later
dapper crag
take what drago says with grain of salt
yeah they like big talk, behave like know-it-all
i mean on my end if i were running band id be wanting to froce it
molten oasis
Shifu is good at doing that
nocturne holly
forcing tera early is not always great
Why? On opponent or your own Tera?
molten oasis
On opponent is great on you it’s bad
heady onyx
nah more nuances to VGC
nocturne holly
yea lmao
It was clear you were referring to opponent
dapper crag
wassup sour
nocturne holly
hi
dapper crag
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