Yet another one more or nah?
#competitive_discussion
fathom geyser
charred saddle
jaman jaman anak sekolahan itu
charred saddle
HAHAHAHA
nocturne holly
what
fathom geyser
Nvm I just read what was on my screen lmao
fathom geyser
Also I have no clue what hisuian arcenine does, is it just still arcenine?
nocturne holly
Also I have no clue what hisuian arcenine does, is it just still arcenine?
it cool
fathom geyser
Ye but what it do?
charred saddle
no, rock fire type
intimidate
rockslide flare blitz stab
nocturne holly
rock coverage good for ho torn
wisp and snarl
choice band sets do insane damahe
mighty stump
but fr tho, blueberry as in? <:KEKWCRY:1166242454505259059>
The academy
charred saddle
basically arcanine but more offensive
mighty stump
Its all gonna be double battles
fathom geyser
Ah
mighty stump
PvE wise
Higher level and competitive sets apparently
Battle Tower as a whole ass DLC
So im hoping I can get some fun PvE this time around
nocturne holly
oh thats cool
fathom geyser
basically arcanine but more offensive
Are the more balanced teams like yours the meta rn?
Epico
nocturne holly
Are the more balanced teams like yours the meta rn?
what was his team
charred saddle
Are the more balanced teams like yours the meta rn?
eehhhh not really haha. but my mon are basically 6 mon from top 12 with the most usage during regionals
i just yoinked them and make it
mighty stump
I should probably make this Shiftry team for the tour on Saturday
charred saddle
its my rental team just check it in #rental_teams
fathom geyser
What counters urshifu specifically?
charred saddle
i havent change teams
still trying to fix EVs
fathom geyser
The woter one
charred saddle
water ursh, is waterpon and rilla
fathom geyser
Epico
I think chandelure would be fun to build a team around
Does it just get mauled by fluttermane?
nocturne holly
-calc 40/25
gentle cragBOT
Result: 1.600000
fathom geyser
Are you guys playing?
nocturne holly
playing what
nocturne holly
what
how does the calc have anything to do with tic tac toe
gloomy crescent
😂 🤣
gloomy crescent
What does dengo do in comp
@fathom geyser how does it have anything to do with tic tac toe
viral abyss
hi
fathom geyser
Nothing
karmic temple
I should probably make this Shiftry team for the tour on Saturday
We love a shiftry team
gloomy crescent
Is cunkeldurr a good idea?
It's a good support mon
charred saddle
??
pearl wind
defog?? 
😭
fathom geyser
Is it emotional support?
You just press detect with flame orb and spam drain punch/rock slide with it.
charred saddle
the only one time i saw it, guts flame orb drain punch
fathom geyser
The classic since gen 5
gloomy crescent
Oh I never got hit
Maybe it was because it was setting up something
Like bulk up
fathom geyser
Water oger mauls heatran? Correct?
charred saddle
never got hit or never move and do a thing =/= support
gloomy crescent
I only understood that till you said =/= support
nocturne holly
the only one time i saw it, guts flame orb drain punch
That’s what it does
It’s not support
Guys flame orb
Mach punch
Drain punch
nocturne holly
Non stab facade
fathom geyser
Tera normal facade
dapper crag
SableyeBot version 4.24.4
fathom geyser
Wowie
charred saddle
at that point just use ursaluna
fathom geyser
Yea but i don't like the bear
The one time I used it it always got bullied lmao
My current idea is just to throw together a trick room team and adjust the EV spreads after
gloomy crescent
Water oger mauls heatran? Correct?
Wdym by maul
charred saddle
i mean u can just go like cress. like cress ursaluna
fathom geyser
Wdym by maul
Murder, kill, game end, beat to death.
fathom geyser
i mean u can just go like cress. like cress ursaluna
I don't feel like reset hunting a 0 atk cresselia
gloomy crescent
Murder, kill, game end, beat to death.
Oh yeah
Wasn't waterpon ment for stopping rapidshifu
fathom geyser
I know but my ape brain tells me to be optimal with IV's
Yeah but a single Pokemon that's good against more than one Pokémon is good
charred saddle
yesn't
watershifu can still u turn Super effective to waterppon
fathom geyser
Spiky shield or swords dance?
charred saddle
but if its locked to surging with choice scarf and you know its scarfed you basically won the match up
fathom geyser
I got multiple redirectors so far
charred saddle
spiky shield is needed
usually people go follow me for support, swords dance if not
surreal echo
I know but my ape brain tells me to be optimal with IV's
The bright side is that when home compatibility comes for the next game you’ll already have a 0 Atk IV Cress
orchid falcon
was necrozma good in restricted?
fathom geyser
The bright side is that when home compatibility comes for the next game you’ll a...
I might as well make it "appear" at that point, my only access to cress is white 2 rn lmao
fathom geyser
was necrozma good in restricted?
Ultra necrozma yes
fathom geyser
It got outshined by other restricteds
gloomy crescent
yesn't
watershifu can still u turn Super effective to waterppon
I usually tera pon before fighting a rapishifu
fathom geyser
What do you guys think? (Ignore the ev's)
I got no clue what tera to put on chandellur
dapper crag
SableyeBot version 4.24.4
charred saddle
you might want to have other options rather than going hard trick room
chandelure is in awkward speed position
gloomy crescent
Have grass tera with flash fire ive researched
Don't blame me if it's bad blame reddit
It's the only place I could find on this phone
charred saddle
we havent even said anythig?
and heatran usually does that too.
gloomy crescent
So is it good?
charred saddle
not necessarily but it helps with certain match up
gloomy crescent
1 to 10 how good is it
gloomy crescent
Noooooooooooooo I was researching more and I encountered the photo are you a robot nooooooooo
I suck at these
fathom geyser
I don't know what else to build tho lmao
gloomy crescent
I didn't pass :l
Maybe it's because I'am a dronw
Drone they are technically robots
nocturne holly
1 to 10 how good is it
That’s completely dependent on the team
Like some mons are “better” than others
But they have their niches and uses dependent on the team
gloomy crescent
So only use the lure if the match ups are good
@fathom geyser you playing VGC or singles
nocturne holly
no if the team needs it
fathom geyser
vgc
charred saddle
at that point better to run flutter / heatran
gloomy crescent
With the lure I'm on about its 4v4 right
So you can use it depending on the match ups
If they are bad don't use it for that match
dull ibex
hello
charred saddle
flutter is just better ghost typing, and it doesnt rely on TR.
heatran is bulky, can do the same grass tera and nice move pool
dull ibex
what is this about?
charred saddle
its not that chandelure is bad, they just have better use
charred saddle
https://pokepast.es/525e03b0b02f7917
this
gloomy crescent
what is this about?
We are helping someone depend on what to do with their lure
dull ibex
oh yeah I have a second shiny flutter 🙂
charred saddle
noice
dull ibex
chandy does imprison iirc
gloomy crescent
oh yeah I have a second shiny flutter 🙂
Nice
dull ibex
flutter is just better ghost typing, and it doesnt rely on TR.
heatran is bulky,...
chandelure doesnt either
gloomy crescent
I cant wait till my friends get scarlet so I can shiny hunt with them and also get shiny scarlet paradoxes
dull ibex
tbh chandelure is kind of way too fast for tr
fathom geyser
This team sucks lmao
charred saddle
80 speed is awkward
and the bulk... 65 hp
dull ibex
yeah 80 is awkward but its not slow enough for tr
fathom geyser
Chandelur has that big big special attack tho ( was my reasoning)
charred saddle
ik, i didnt say chandy is for TR
dull ibex
there is plenty of things with a huge special attack
fathom geyser
But dusc is super bulky that surprised me
gloomy crescent
Right I need to go into the shower now everyone so I can't help anymore
dapper crag
SableyeBot version 4.24.4
fathom geyser
I lost to two relatively gimmicky teams in a row
dull ibex
flutter mane has slightly less special attack
charred saddle
130 times 1.5 lol
dull ibex
but is way way better then chandelure
gloomy crescent
@fathom geyser these people can help I cant tho as I'm stupid
fathom geyser
dw
dull ibex
monarch send the team?
charred saddle
https://pokepast.es/525e03b0b02f7917
this one red
dull ibex
is this vgc?
fathom geyser
yes
charred saddle
ye
dull ibex
because there is a few probelms here
gloomy crescent
@fathom geyser before you build the team Try it out in showdown
fathom geyser
That's what I am doing
fathom geyser
because there is a few probelms here
Yes :)
fathom geyser
The team is a tr mode
dull ibex
are you okay with just using a different tr team?
fathom geyser
But I am already tossing the team lmao
dull ibex
https://pokepast.es/c85e24bb228eb163 I reccomend this team
fathom geyser
It might be better if I just play something sane for a change
dull ibex
Clops Bloodmoon is insanely powerful under tr and this team doesnt have to use tr if it doesnt want too
fathom geyser
I can't play with other people's teams because it doesn't compute with me
dull ibex
I can't play with other people's teams because it doesn't compute with me
tbh I would ditch this thinking
Especially if I send a team which is usually incredibly basic
fathom geyser
I do outrageous misplays, more than usually when using teams I didn't make (because I am clueless with what the intention behind certain decisions were)
It's not a mindset it's an active skill issue lmao
dull ibex
which is a mindset issue
charred saddle
i have notes on my own team if u wanna look at it
dull ibex
what is your team?
charred saddle
its there with docs note in the rentals
charred saddle
what is your team?
have not change a single thing from meta haha
fathom geyser
I am just gonna do the stupid thing and not take that advice, I am sorry.
dull ibex
how are you going to stop making misplays if you don't practice with a team and take notes?
silver ravine
For Rillaboom is it worth running stomping tantrum/high horsepower? Debateing if I want to make it a bulky attacker or offensive pivot. All the bulky attacker sets run wood hammer and one also runs grassy glide.
dull ibex
so you'd rather play stuff like chandelure instead of learning meta? alright fair enough
charred saddle
High horsepower all the way
dull ibex
For Rillaboom is it worth running stomping tantrum/high horsepower? Debateing if...
horsepower is really good
if anyone else needs help with a team feel free too ping me
fathom geyser
so you'd rather play stuff like chandelure instead of learning meta? alright fai...
I already dropped the idea of chandelure, but yes I do tend to play with subpar pokemans
charred saddle
i usually run AV Fake out grassy glide wood hammer and high horsepower
dull ibex
I already dropped the idea of chandelure, but yes I do tend to play with subpar ...
tbh that's why they don't work
if you're alright with that, respect
silver ravine
i usually run AV Fake out grassy glide wood hammer and high horsepower
Stealing this ty. 😛
gentle cragBOT
Stealing this ty. 😛
striferealists has given 1 Gen Rep to abused1
charred saddle
Stealing this ty. 😛
theres also other choice, changing high horsepower with U turn
that is if you have others to cover the lack of high horsepower
fathom geyser
I am more than alright with that. Sometimes it did work out for me tho, like eject button amogus or Tera flying hurricane Iron Moth. (During the seasons those teams were built for)
What pairs with heatran I am kinda drawing blank lmao
Besides the flutter of mane
Is Iron bundle a good idea? I'm thinking against ogerpon, landerous, chi yu
silver ravine
that is if you have others to cover the lack of high horsepower
Yeah I might just keep high horsepower then. Right now I have a bulky offense fwg core with Incineroar (SoonTM), Rillaboom, and Rotom-Wash. Atm all three have a pivot move, but I'm thinking of getting rid of volt switch, tho it is a stab for Rotom. Just working on the remaining three, but I'm thinking of including Kingambit.
dull ibex
anyone wanna battle
dull ibex
cool challenge me, redstonejesus
karmic temple
anyone wanna battle
Only if it’s a rap battle (I’m working and can’t play cart or sd)
pearl wind
Is Iron bundle a good idea? I'm thinking against ogerpon, landerous, chi yu
i like rilla + tran + bundle, forms a sweet FWG core with terrain support for tran, bundle is great for offensive pressure and speed control, at least thats what i used a few months ago in reg d i think
fathom geyser
wdym by tran?
pearl wind
heatran
nocturne holly
cool challenge me, redstonejesus
Lemme spectate
mellow barn
May I also have some EV spreads @charred saddle
gloomy crescent
Are we all taking evs spreads from bubu now 😂
charred saddle
i mean go ahead and take it
fathom geyser
Where are they?
dull ibex
gg
charred saddle
gg my bad i cant focus haha
charred saddle
idk why i tera the waterpon haha
dull ibex
that lost you the game
charred saddle
that lost you the game
go for one more?
before i go sleep
fathom geyser
ty
mellow barn
Thank you!
dull ibex
sure challenge
mellow barn
charred saddle
is bo3 fine?
pearl wind
https://pokepast.es/9dddceb0cd8165ba
why is rilla tera water?
charred saddle
hmm
gloomy crescent
why is rilla tera water?
Maybe to stop fire and flying attacks
charred saddle
i forgot why i choose water haha
pearl wind
ah ok
charred saddle
ill think about it after this game
gloomy crescent
Bubu am I close
charred saddle
fire tera does the same and prevents WoW
pearl wind
ye thats what my rilla runs, thats why im asking 
gloomy crescent
Oh yeah red uses that
pearl wind
if theres something im missing
gloomy crescent
Atleast in his old team
charred saddle
im hoping to wake up
gloomy crescent
Yall does anyone have any swsh rentals as I can't use the rental @dull ibex showed me anymore
charred saddle
oh u left
dull ibex
<:KEKWCRY:1166242454505259059> im hoping to wake up
I won the bo3 technically
I won two games so im taking a break
dull ibex
this is alot of pivoting for what is hyper offense LMAO
dude that amoongus hands lead is so bad for you
dull ibex
just be glad it wasnt rocky helmet
charred saddle
90 acc please
dull ibex
at least nerf spore
spore is nerfed
charred saddle
wha
charred saddle
why is rilla tera water?
oh i remember. its for water shifu match up
gloomy crescent
@dull ibex that swsh rental ain't working
charred saddle
my team is pretty weak to watershifu
mellow barn
YES!!! MASTER RANK ON SINGLES AND DOUBLES!!!
dull ibex
<@372191031044866051> that swsh rental ain't working
wdym
charred saddle
so i kinda opted to water tera to deny it more
charred saddle
the only counter is waterpon with rilla
next stump
YES!!! MASTER RANK ON SINGLES AND DOUBLES!!!
congrats 🙂
charred saddle
waterpon can even still be u turned
dull ibex
The swsh rental you showed me before
yeah you enter the code once and keep it forever
pearl wind
oh i remember. its for water shifu match up
what does grass not resist water already? why would you tera water in front of shifu
mellow barn
congrats 🙂
Thank you, I just ranked single for the rewards. Now I can focus on doubles
gentle cragBOT
Thank you, I just ranked single for the rewards. Now I can focus on doubles
theipex has given 1 Gen Rep to mlbd
pearl wind
or whats going on
gloomy crescent
yeah you enter the code once and keep it forever
I'll tell ya it never worked
dull ibex
https://victoryroadvgc.com/pokemon-sword-shield-rental-vgc-teams/
there you go more rentals
gloomy crescent
Thanks
charred saddle
ofc not tera infront of shifu, its against other matchups like firepon
dull ibex
🫡
charred saddle
last time i build this team theres a lot of firepon
gloomy crescent
there you go more rentals
Ty
pearl wind
even vs firepon fire is better because they run double stab no? water still gets hit hard then
dull ibex
alright ggs bubu good luck V im going back to portal 2 🫡
charred saddle
but not now tho. im still keeping the eevee outbreaks
nocturne holly
what Tera for amoonguss
dull ibex
ill be around but paying less attention
nocturne holly
water or fire
charred saddle
water commonly
mellow barn
Master ranks achived, pokedex finished... now what?
pearl wind
but not now tho. im still keeping the eevee outbreaks
ye but gib luck first, its still not working
charred saddle
i saw only once with fire tera
nocturne holly
I mean I counter waterpon pre Tera
next stump
Master ranks achived, pokedex finished... now what?
set a rank goal in master ball
top 1000, 3000, 5000, etc.
nocturne holly
waterpon redirecting spore is annoying af
is anything other than steadfast immune to follow me
pearl wind
<:KEKWCRY:1166242454505259059>
im at 11 
with 2x 1/50 marks, thats all 
dapper crag
SableyeBot version 4.24.4
charred saddle
wait. no 1/100?
mellow barn
top 1000, 3000, 5000, etc.
Top 1000 maybe, don't know about 100 
Need to modify team etc. For some reason I don't know if I wanna run Gholdengo
nocturne holly
no it’s stalwart
pearl wind
wait. no 1/100?
only lunch and sleepy 😭
orchid falcon
i wonder how restricted is gonna be with all the legends running around
charred saddle
its 5% boosted each mark. so isnt it 20%
orchid falcon
like tera types on legends and that stuff
pearl wind
<:KEKWCRY:1166242454505259059> its 5% boosted each mark. so isnt it 20%
nope, its only one mark per outbreak i think, but thats still 5%
orchid falcon
especially groudon and kyogre
pearl wind
so every outbreak has one mark thats boosted
charred saddle
i wonder how restricted is gonna be with all the legends running around
cough cough water tera water spout kyogre
orchid falcon
*cough cough* water tera water spout kyogre
Waterpon: tis but a scratch
charred saddle
so every outbreak has one mark thats boosted
ill move to dms since it could clog chat
dull ibex
*cough cough* water tera water spout kyogre
kek
gloomy crescent
@dull ibex this is the team i chose if you care
dull ibex
great I hope it works well
gloomy crescent
I hope too
mellow barn
<@372191031044866051> this is the team i chose if you care
Looks solid
gloomy crescent
I'm going to post a rental for s v in a bit
If someone can teach me how to make it a rental
Yes iam a stupid drone
charred saddle
choice scarf Max airstream regieleki. enabling calyrex shadow
i hate watching that team
gloomy crescent
fathom geyser
Does anyone wanna play?
dull ibex
choice scarf Max airstream regieleki. enabling calyrex shadow
that sounds fantastic
gloomy crescent
Lol
fathom geyser
https://pokepast.es/1786e04fff34032b I got mauled by Thunderous
I still have no clue what to calc the spreads for so I just did max max or silly garbo with iron hands
forgor the tera's for bundle and mane woops
gloomy crescent
All good man
Also man?!
gloomy crescent
We all are hu*MAN*
I'm sorry but your talking to a drone
fathom geyser
ok?
gloomy crescent
If you don't know what that is a robot
fathom geyser
I know what it means
gloomy crescent
If you don't know what a robot means well then I don't know what to say
fathom geyser
U an ai or something?
gloomy crescent
Kinda
I walk and talk
And kill other drones maybe that's too far
Yall how do I post rental teams
karmic temple
In cart you’ll need to go to battle stadium>rental teams>share your battle team
karmic temple
Once you get the code in game you can post the rental team and paste + any other info
Should be the same for both
karmic temple
Nice to see spreads and if you have any weird ivs
fathom geyser
Iron hands tera grass Yae or Nae?
karmic temple
Think Tera grass has fallen off a bit for water/fire since amoongus fell off a bit
fathom geyser
epico
gloomy crescent
What should I name the team
bold geode
gloomy crescent
V I think just V I can't think
charred saddle
oh i just thought of a nice lead against the iron hand amoonguss lead,
Harc and waterpon. follow me and flareblitz to amoonguss.
if you fake out on Harc, u cant spore it either way.
so its prob see if it protect amoonguss t1, if it doesnt ill flare blitz to IH. not tera fairy to cover IH grass tera
even if waterpon dies to pollen puff that turn, i can put in rilla and rinse and repeat
bold geode
Drain Punched the Harc 
charred saddle
follow me
bold geode
Water tera
charred saddle
reds is grass tera tho
gloomy crescent
#rental_teams I have posted it
charred saddle
tofu did tell you to follow format. pokepaste is so that people can see ur team more clearly
bold geode
It switches out
gloomy crescent
tofu did tell you to follow format. pokepaste is so that people can see ur team ...
Bruh I'll post it another time I haven't got time
charred saddle
and theres no item on urshifu 
gloomy crescent
I forgot so stupid iam
charred saddle
light clay > icy rock
gloomy crescent
Lemme fix it
charred saddle
since veil benefits the whole team, icy rock only benefits bax
dapper crag
Hey im New
gloomy crescent
I'm giving it mystic water
charred saddle
hi New /j
mellow barn
Welcome 
charred saddle
anyway me go sleep
dapper crag
Is this server for Trading?
gloomy crescent
Is this server for Trading?
Yes but not only that
bold geode
Is this server for Trading?
charred saddle
The Amoongus
i mean water tera amoonguss loses to a horn leech duke out with waterpon i think
bold geode
Make sure to read the trading rules
charred saddle
read the reading rules
gloomy crescent
Reading rules? Trading rules 😂
bold geode
Idk why it even
charred saddle
ur very welcome to tera raids if u failed at reading the reading rules
gloomy crescent
I'm being haunted by a misdreavus
fathom geyser
why are people runnning minimize muk?
gloomy crescent
Um muks a good mon
bold geode
why are people runnning minimize muk?
Cuz gimmicks are a bitch
bold geode
Sounds about right
fathom geyser
I am somewhat surprised this team works
charred saddle
u havent saw the complete gimmick
minimize muk, moody scovillain, costar flamigo
and on top of that, donbozo
ive played with it once. and its not fun.
fathom geyser
That sounds fire
karmic temple
@gloomy crescent your shifu doesn’t have an item equipped might wanna redo the rental and maybe give some details on what typical leads are
gloomy crescent
<@1143159593145475112> your shifu doesn’t have an item equipped might wanna redo...
Bubu said
And I can't change it for 6 hours
gloomy crescent
If yall can read I said can no one comment on it 💀
fathom geyser
The Nicknames are intelligent and nuanced.
bold geode
@gloomy crescent here's a list of things to fix for it once you can
First off although it sounds dumb, need better quality picture. On the Switch if you screenshot that screen and go to photos, it should give an option to send it to smartphone (need a QR reader to do so)
Need a paste that way people know what EVs, items, moves and teras you're running. Make sure it's accurate to the rental
Some details about the team would be nice, such as leads or weaknesses
gloomy crescent
<@1143159593145475112> here's a list of things to fix for it once you can
First ...
Ok
karmic temple
If yall can read I said can no one comment on it 💀
Why post it if you don’t want people to comment on it? Sorry just trying to understand
gloomy crescent
Why post it if you don’t want people to comment on it? Sorry just trying to unde...
I don't like it when people judge other peoples decisions if you read my about me you'd learn
fathom geyser
judgement and criticism aren't the same thing though
gloomy crescent
Ya know what I mean right
keen karma
fathom geyser
based
karmic temple
Everyone in the server wants to help you be better. It’s no judgement, they just want to help you improve your gameplay
fathom geyser
You aren't th
gloomy crescent
You don't know me
fathom geyser
True
gloomy crescent
We where doing math problems
fathom geyser
I just realized that I need to get heatran from gen5 breh
gloomy crescent
And I just proved my stupidness I just used dual suppressed pistols on a drum shotgun user 💀
fathom geyser
ok
fathom geyser
The very first heatran I caught has Zero attack IV 💀
nocturne holly
lucky ass mf
fathom geyser
I hope that luck carries on with the fluttermane I am hunting for
weak dune
Has anyone in here tried using wind rider shiftry with Palafin/pelliper?
dapper crag
Has anyone in here tried using wind rider shiftry with Palafin/pelliper?
sounds like a good core, ive seen similar stuff. you could take inspiration from Jeudy azurelli's team - https://pokepast.es/cebbee3b6435cc2a
nocturne holly
sounds like a good core, ive seen similar stuff. you could take inspiration from...
what tourney was this
dapper crag
2023 san diego, kinda old. thought it could be decent reference because of the recent salamance choice scarf team they made. P.S. it says 2023 on the site but the tournament was held on Nov 10 2022
anyways, I came here to ask for thoughts ~ https://pokepast.es/f4b0bac10f394595
ember linden
I personally think sinistcha is not very good.
dapper crag
gp, i love hospitality tho
nocturne holly
i think sinistcha is alr, might benefit more from rocky helm
also i dont see a lot of output damage imo
youre only real damage is mabostiff and heat
dapper crag
yes
ember linden
Screens typically have setup mons on it, feel like there is a lot of potential not being used
dapper crag
im so glad you added mabostiff
fathom geyser
I like the team though I am not a good source of advice for team building
ember linden
Idk about tr on this team
dapper crag
okay what would be suggested then cause I dont use grimm/screens too much
nocturne holly
you could probably switch gyarados for sd waterpon and cress out for something
i think sinistcha is great on screens
dapper crag
i was thikning gyarados specifically for amoongus
intimidate form gyara mabostiff works well with hospitality and grimm
nocturne holly
waterpon handles amoonguss well
dapper crag
and mabostiff mostly for gholdengo
ember linden
Landorus is just such a better amoonguss answer
dapper crag
yea but then im using ogerpon
fathom geyser
If you need more damage, I recommend kommo-o, heal the damage from clangerous soul with the tea
nocturne holly
so
dapper crag
SD ogerpon is very viable lol I consider it
ember linden
If you need more damage, I recommend kommo-o, heal the damage from clangerous so...
Yeah I personally think Sinistcha is only really good when paired with setup strats, like Kommo-o stuff
silver ravine
Won 2 battles in a row. Sign me up for VGC. Shame that doubles with all six mons isn't the VGC format
ember linden
SD ogerpon is very viable lol I consider it
I beg to differ
nocturne holly
you think its not?
ember linden
I played it for a while, and ended up opting for grassy glide instead
nocturne holly
swords dance pon can work
ember linden
Half the time you’d rather not click it
dapper crag
i think it hurts the TR aspect but if i play to sweep after TR its not terrible
nocturne holly
its by no means bad
i can see it working on that team
fathom geyser
Pon gets grassy glide?
nocturne holly
with screens
ember linden
Yup
dapper crag
I can just sd and threaten follow me with another sweeper nextt to him
fathom geyser
Man I'm blind
nocturne holly
i think it hurts the TR aspect but if i play to sweep after TR its not terrible
tbh youre team doesnt really need tr
ember linden
With screens sure, but I’m talking in general
dapper crag
ugh
fathom geyser
Do you recommend it over horn leech?
ember linden
Like it’s not a slaponable move imo
nocturne holly
With screens sure, but I’m talking in general
its still viable
nocturne holly
yes you dd\id
nocturne holly
anyways @dapper crag so i think waterpon would work over gyara
landot would be fine on this team
also dont know how much you need tr
fathom geyser
Does anyone wanna play a few games over showdown?
nocturne holly
mabostiff isnt doing too much
dapper crag
ty for the feedback :)))
ember linden
Yeah waterpon over gyara, rilla over mabostiff
fathom geyser
CoolMothGuy
dapper crag
ima go test the team a bit and probably throw away gyra and mabo but
ember linden
K
dapper crag
i wanna try em before i do
nocturne holly
and landot over cress imo
ember linden
Fs
dapper crag
TR < torn ursh change my mind
nocturne holly
CoolMothGuy
sent
rustic mountain
mabostiff isnt doing too much
its trying its best 
ember linden
If you want tr go regular ursa with sd
dapper crag
okay but the meta game is also P fast i just gotta play to my counters i feel
fathom geyser
One sec lemme paste my team
ember linden
Ots is already there
rustic mountain
TR < torn ursh change my mind
tour results would say this is tru
and i also agree haha
ember linden
You either hate armadeedee or love it
ember linden
No in between
dapper crag
I been thinkin bout this team for a min
undone tree
is there a place i can search for teams that use a specific pokemon i want to use
ember linden
hopefully most ppl hate it
Right
undone tree
im new to competitive and i got no clue how to build a team myself
rustic mountain
is there a place i can search for teams that use a specific pokemon i want to us...
in terms of like moveset and tera? victory road posts the pastes from the teams that did well
dapper crag
i took that one a lil more seriously by not adding mabo and whats bad with ursa spread? take away some atk since im running SD?
rustic mountain
usually dont have ev spreads tho, have to dig a bit deeper for those if they are even shared
ember linden
im new to competitive and i got no clue how to build a team myself
Open a word doc, and put three specific things you want your team to do
That helps me team build a lot
rustic mountain
id recommend using other peoples teams first so u familiarize urself w/ wat works and why it does
experience is the best teacher
ember linden
Real
undone tree
yeah that was my plan
dapper crag
id recommend using other peoples teams first so u familiarize urself w/ wat work...
best thing to do
steal teams from VGCvictory road or YT from smart people
and try not to steal meme teams
rustic mountain
also people like cybertron have really good vids on their channel, explaining their thought process
ember linden
i took that one a lil more seriously by not adding mabo and whats bad with ursa ...
248 doesn’t work at level 50, neither does 8 in sp,def
dapper crag
also people like cybertron have really good vids on their channel, explaining th...
was gonna mention him, neilvgc and james baek although they sometimes post meme teams
ember linden
It’s extra points for no value
rustic mountain
any number thats divisible by 8 is wasting evs, def remember that
fathom geyser
Gg
dapper crag
248 doesn’t work at level 50, neither does 8 in sp,def
i thought i had 244 and 12 lol
ember linden
i thought i had 244 and 12 lol
Oh alr
fathom geyser
Wait I didn't realize it was Bo3 how does this work lmao
nocturne holly
just press ready
dapper crag
its 8 + 4
nocturne holly
@fathom geyser agree to open team sheets
rustic mountain
was gonna mention him, neilvgc and james baek although they sometimes post meme ...
baek and aaron feature a decent mix of more ladder teams and also teams that placed well at irl tours. the meme teams are like what thatsaplusone posts
undone tree
is walking wake in this set?
ember linden
No
undone tree
😦
ember linden
Probably won’t come till restricted format
dapper crag
okay but have you guys heard of --->> Beast Coast Pokemon YT <<---
ember linden
Yeah, never cared to watch them
dapper crag
i feel like walking wake is a mythic no?
bold geode
baek and aaron feature a decent mix of more ladder teams and also teams that pla...
Competitive Tree moments
dapper crag
lol
bold geode
<:worrypink:1028354572957265950>
rustic mountain
jus dont come here as much
bold geode
But DCH
rustic mountain
yea cuz breeding chat is chill
ember linden
They can be combined into one category of proto/drive mons but they don’t feel like legendaries and mythicals, but also don’t feel like regular mons
bold geode
yea cuz breeding chat is chill
Lmao yeah here it's just pandemonium sometimes
bold geode
You changed your shit<:fight:1066421049891246150>
Yes
Praise Winton
nocturne holly
gg
fathom geyser
Gg
nocturne holly
last round
fathom geyser
I'm still confused how the bo3 works lmao
ember linden
Best of three is in the name
bold geode
I like at least looking at breeding chat every now and then
Sort of a detoxification of sorts
bold geode
Yeah
You ever play Rock Paper Scissors
ember linden
rustic mountain
🪨 🗞️ ✂️
bold geode
Best of 3 Rock Paper Scissors
Same idea
ember linden
Soon imma make an rockpon sand team
bold geode
Step 1: Don't
ember linden
Ttar is so bad lmao
rustic mountain
rockpon tr hybrid teams have done well and there was that 1 sand harc ttar team that won but combined seems a bit tough
bold geode
It dying for setup is pog
mellow barn
I am trying to make Empolion work in showdown
bold geode
rockpon tr hybrid teams have done well and there was that 1 sand harc ttar team ...
Progatog did it
It's actually crazy
ember linden
Absolutely horrible typing into this format
rustic mountain
i used empoleon on an a9 team that cybertron featured
gentle cragBOT
dollarmonke (ID 817628066020065280)
rustic mountain
its useable, jus hard to bring a decent amount
bold geode
Put the plug in lmao
nocturne holly
gg im fucking throwing
fathom geyser
Gg
nocturne holly
@fathom geyser lets go again
rustic mountain
Progatog did it
It's actually crazy
sand ogerpon team?
ember linden
Empoleon gets hydro cannon
rustic mountain
and what did they do
fathom geyser
One sec let me switch to laptop
ember linden
bold geode
sand ogerpon team?
No the TR hybrid
rustic mountain
ohhhhh
bold geode
Basically Follow Me and die lmao
rustic mountain
the top 8 team?
bold geode
Huh
fathom geyser
User name is coolermoth
bold geode
If it was Psyspam,then probably
nocturne holly
User name is coolermoth
once sec
fathom geyser
ok
bold geode
Prog did with Psyspam
Oger can follow me and die, taking two attacks unless Surging Strikes cuz Rockpon got built in sash
And Armarouge sets TR, Rockpon die, Indeedee come in
rustic mountain
Huh
look at the 7th team
jus was confused which one ur talkin bout but this is wat i meant for successful rockpon team
fallen rivet
Hey what are some good non-legendary tailwind setters?
bold geode
jus was confused which one ur talkin bout but this is wat i meant for successful...
No no
He did with Psyspam
mellow barn
Hey what are some good non-legendary tailwind setters?
Roaring Moon is good
rustic mountain
Hey what are some good non-legendary tailwind setters?
none, murkrow got power crept and doesnt have good typing rn, and illumise is memey
oh i consider rm legendary equivalent but yea its a good one
fallen rivet
I see. I have violet so I'd have to trade for one but I think I'll try and go for that
bold geode
Yeah Roaring Moon with speed boost ain't too bad
rustic mountain
No no
He did with Psyspam
yea i jus dont know who ur talkin about and the context. they placed well w/ it irl?
bold geode
yea i jus dont know who ur talkin about and the context. they placed well w/ it ...
Oh no here in the server
Hasn't placed well with it but he's basically whenever someone asks Tofu about TR, Tofu just pings him lol
dapper crag
pelliper for rain teams
rustic mountain
ahhh ok haha
dapper crag
salamence for more niche tailwind
bold geode
Basically he comp chat TR man
rustic mountain
i like rm w/ speed boost. using it rn on the weezing team wolfey used. jus made it shiny 
fallen rivet
I'm trying to get my doubles team ready for the dlc lol. Right now I only have a flutter mane, ogerpon, and iron hands ready
fathom geyser
gg
nocturne holly
gg
rustic mountain
id get the rest ready soon its gna b a new format in like a month
less for the sd gamers
dapper crag
yea i cant wait for incen
fallen rivet
I'm so poor in game lol
dapper crag
gonna put him on every tr team i make
rustic mountain
~~I'm so poor in game lol~~
u can manually ev train w/ power items, or jus grind ogre oustin for mochi
fathom geyser
@nocturne holly are we still playing or no?
fallen rivet
Oh true
rustic mountain
rip pokejobs
nocturne holly
<@868858001866510336> are we still playing or no?
i gtg
you played great
booster spe flutter is the bane of my existence
bold geode
i like rm w/ speed boost. using it rn on the weezing team wolfey used. jus made ...
Lmao that team is a bit wild
It's actually crazy how people are also able to make Weezing and Rillaboom work
dapper crag
Lmao that team is a bit wild
It's actually crazy how people are also able to mak...
i was thinking ab rilla weezing too, real cool combo
rustic mountain
Lmao that team is a bit wild
It's actually crazy how people are also able to mak...
kinda, 3 of the mons arent affected by neutralizing gas. and also its not like ur supposed to be bringing weezing to every game anyway. but in the ones i have its very good usually
havent played much recently but i almost got top 500 w/ it on an alt in like a day
bold geode
Yeah
But it's like when the pivoting is so good that it's like Surge isn't affected it's like damn
But you wanna know who the REAL goat is
rustic mountain
Yeah
But it's like when the pivoting is so good that it's like Surge isn't affec...
yea i think it has a high skill cap cause u have to know wen u want to turn off abilities and such when evaluating ur board position. but generally weezing has good staying power and w/ such a physical leaning meta, will o wisp is really oppressive a lot of times. also being able to protect infront of urshi is pog
mellow barn
You know... Tornadus and Farigaraf pairs well together. Who knew
rustic mountain
underhill and a few others have shown success w/ it pretty recently
fallen rivet
Ok I've made a post in the home trades section for a roaring moon. Hopefully I find one before the dlc comes out lmao
bold geode
Wisp is good too
Like Wisp also being able to be the only way to dampen Urshifu SS is also pog
rustic mountain
yea
nocturne holly
weezing is fun
it has insane staying power
dull ibex
I forgot to readd fake out to my hands
nocturne holly
RIP
silver ravine
What would be a good Incineroar fill in to use until the dlc drops? While intimidate is nice, I want something bulky, has fake out, and can pivot out
bold geode
I forgot to readd fake out to my hands
Lmao
Funny
rustic mountain
b/w hands and waterpon urshifu usually isnt an issue either
dull ibex
eh might leave it off for a bit
bold geode
What would be a good Incineroar fill in to use until the dlc drops? While intimi...
Hands rn
rustic mountain
literally hands
mellow barn
My testing with Empolion
https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2023regulatione-1995774461
rustic mountain
triple fake out core gna go crazy
dull ibex
no it wont
bold geode
Rillaboom can also be the same
But Hands go fuckin HARD
fallen rivet
What would be a good Incineroar fill in to use until the dlc drops? While intimi...
rilla as well maybe?
bold geode
no it wont
Idk Waltuh it could
dull ibex
I think doule fakeout is the most you'll get away with
dull ibex
wut?
bold geode
But I mean triple fake out could possibly work
Idk maybe maybe not
Also gotta consider Upper Hand also coming
silver ravine
Thanks guys. I'd give you all rep if I could and or if it was feasible. What would be a good av replacement for hands? Atm I got it on Rilla
rustic mountain
while i do think triple is overkill i cant imagine rilla, incin and iron hands being bad on a team either. its jus good pokemon. rilla/urshi/incin fwg was already super good. iron hands being on that cant make it worse
bold geode
Thanks guys. I'd give you all rep if I could and or if it was feasible. What wou...
Honestly
Put AV on Hands and go Miracle Seed/Meadow Plate Rilla
Offensive Boom is valid AF
rustic mountain
also no proof upper hand is gna b good. i think its gna b mid personally but we gta wait nd see how prominent itll be before assessing it like that
silver ravine
Honestly
Put AV on Hands and go Miracle Seed/Meadow Plate Rilla
Offensive Boom i...
That'll work as Rilla is already a bulky attacker on my team. Thank you
rustic mountain
Thanks guys. I'd give you all rep if I could and or if it was feasible. What wou...
av hands is the best hands
gentle cragBOT
That'll work as Rilla is already a bulky attacker on my team. Thank you
striferealists has given 1 Gen Rep to dollarmonke
dull ibex
while i do think triple is overkill i cant imagine rilla, incin and iron hands b...
you can do way better
bold geode
That'll work as Rilla is already a bulky attacker on my team. Thank you
Sure thing
rustic mountain
ofc u can, i never said u couldnt
bold geode
Lmao random dude
Also Tree I'm gonna put Annihilape up against Incineroar see what happens
fallen rivet
Ok so I have bulky mane, av hands, and fire ogerpon ready for the dlc. I'm thinking of adding rm for speed control, but what else should I add?
dull ibex
imagine being me and falling to 7k
bold geode
Can't go wrong with a water type honestly in my book
bold geode
imagine being me and falling to 7k
Bro that night I streamed cart
I actually missed so many Hydro Pumps that I replaced it with Water Pulse for a sec
dull ibex
im better then this
fallen rivet
Can't go wrong with a water type honestly in my book
which ones would you recommend?
dull ibex
this is unacceptable
bold geode
which ones would you recommend?
The main one is legendary lmao
fallen rivet
lul
dull ibex
tbh I reccomend wellspring over hearthflame
fallen rivet
may be a good idea, and then I could use the harc I have ready
what item for the arc?
dull ibex
im going back to my original team
rustic mountain
Also Tree I'm gonna put Annihilape up against Incineroar see what happens
i think b/w intimidate increasing w/ incins return and whimsicott, ape can make a comeback, tho not sure how much
dull ibex
also run banded harc
rustic mountain
tw beat up def benefits it
bold geode
i think b/w intimidate increasing w/ incins return and whimsicott, ape can make ...
Yeah
Also Fake Out can't hit it
Can't do Parting Shot into it
Intimidate
Fire tera is favorable on Ape anyways so you can tera for like suspecting Incin/Mane leads
OH YEAH I FORGOT WHIMSICOTT
fallen rivet
Ok that's 5/6. Probably need some special oomph. Any ideas
rustic mountain
OH YEAH I FORGOT WHIMSICOTT
bold geode
Bruh
Although I feel like now it might be fuckin paper
dull ibex
if I go shifu, mystic water or scarf?
rustic mountain
and u can invest in bulk
bold geode
But dmax also was a whole different ballpark
dull ibex
But dmax also was a whole different ballpark
whim is uneffected by tera
bold geode
https://pokepast.es/9bcd349b73e10e49
With Chien Pao you can experiment on both items, although either way, you want Adamant Shifu
rustic mountain
whims was good b4 dmax too
bold geode
Ah
Well then
Guess I'm using Afro Plant possibly
rustic mountain
im not sure itll overtake torn useage but it def has a place
dull ibex
torn is probably better
fallen rivet
depends on the moveset it gets ig
dull ibex
it keeps its moveset from swsh it will be fine
rustic mountain
torn is probably better
yea likely but resisting stuff like urshi and iron hands w/o tera is nice
dull ibex
im definitely taking whim over torn though
rustic mountain
dull ibex
hatt is getting eforce back!
waxen remnant
i’ve never tried getting into competitive but i’m just curious as to what the time commitment to comp is vs smth like shiny hunting. i’ve put smth crazy like 1400 hours into shiny hunting this past year so i’d like to try to get into it as long as it’s less or equally as time consuming🫡
bold geode
I'd say yeah it'd probably be less or equal time consuming unless you specifically hunt down shinies for your team
rustic mountain
i feel called out
bold geode
Lmao
weary steeple
Come on indigo disk, give me my loaded dice triple axel weaville, I beg of you
bold geode
But like most of the time is spent on Showdown tryna build a team that works for you
The building it on cart part takes for me like
A week max?
rustic mountain
give pao triple axel
bold geode
That's if you don't have the resources already
bold geode
give pao triple axel
DO NOT GIVE PAO TRIPLE AXEL
smoky hawk
Come on indigo disk, give me my loaded dice triple axel weaville, I beg of you
I would use that. Give the weavile fake out and fling with kings rock
weary steeple
I was grinding the battle tower ribbon for Weavile, and it was so fun to use it. It’s so powerful!
karmic temple
give pao triple axel
What is he cooking
bold geode
Tree if that happens, I'm hunting you down
weary steeple
I was grinding the battle tower ribbon for Weavile, and it was so fun to use it....
In sword and shield
rustic mountain
weary steeple
I would use that. Give the weavile fake out and fling with kings rock
Stg that would be hilarious
Is it a good play? No, probably not. Is it fun? Yes
rustic mountain
fallen rivet
Here's my cooking:
Give delphox psychic terrain instead of magician
smoky hawk
Is it a good play? No, probably not. Is it fun? Yes
Could work!
weary steeple
DO NOT GIVE PAO TRIPLE AXEL
to hackmons we go
bold geode
Tree you're cooking like Walter White rn
rustic mountain
Here's my cooking:
Give delphox psychic terrain instead of magician
it needs something
rustic mountain
Tree you're cooking like Walter White rn
so perfection
bold geode
Yes and no
rustic mountain
haha
fallen rivet
or shield dust to meganium
weary steeple
Could work!
Yee it could! Just remember that Weavile dies with a sneeze so you might not get that double flinch
fallen rivet
*snease
rustic mountain
theyll jus give zard a new form instead
bold geode
Best idea: give Infernape bulk
weary steeple
Yes and no
rustic mountain
Best idea: give Infernape bulk
itd have to lose that in another stat tho
bold geode
Give Infernape bulk so it has a fucking chance plz I'm begging
rustic mountain
lmao
bold geode
itd have to lose that in another stat tho
No
We just ignore that
rustic mountain
its ok in regional dex
nocturne holly
what
rustic mountain
i remember wen bdsp meta was a thing for like 2 weeks it was decent
rustic mountain
now it falls like most to power creep
bold geode
bdsp meta got old really fast ngl
Sash Overheat monkey
rustic mountain
no battle gimmicks
karmic temple
It was really nostalgic for me, I played like 2k hours in pearl
Coming back and doing it in 3d 😩😩 to bad swsh kept all the active players
bold geode
<a:vegetaPain:782103032535056404>
Never hunted for that 
rustic mountain
overall im not a big fan of gen 4 either
bold geode
Tbf I didn't know how
rustic mountain
except im not
bold geode
Stfu Rotom
rustic mountain
Tbf I didn't know how
for the mythicals?
bold geode
Yeah I was dumb
bold geode
Oh I knew that
I didn't think "oh I could reset for shiny"
bold geode
I have
bold geode
Now I'm resetting feeding my Miraidon 1000 sandwiches for a shiny
rustic mountain
i mean thats jus file based u can always replay both to get it again depending how much u care. the others unfortunately thatd b it if u didnt claim it on an alt
bold geode
My shiny luck is so shit when it comes to shit I'm hunting
rustic mountain
u hav charm?
bold geode
Yeah
rustic mountain
ye rng can b a bitch
bold geode
But like
I'll be hunting for one thing
And instead I get a shiny for another
rustic mountain
bold geode
Any shiny monkey Pokemon I can grab
rustic mountain
how many r available
bold geode
Think I've done maybe 300+ Grookey eggs
rustic mountain
thats not too bad tbh, still under odds. breeding takes longer in sv tho cuz u gta wait to hatch the eggs after collecting
which imo sucks
id recommend swsh
bold geode
Grookey line, Chimchar line, Aipom line, Grafaiai, Mankey line, Passimian, Oranguru, Medicham line, coukd be forgetting more
rustic mountain
oh ok
bold geode
Oh Vigoroth if you wanna get technical
rustic mountain
u hav none of the monkey dex so far?
bold geode
Though sadly last night I did pass up a Riolu outbreak
No piss jackal
bold geode
u hav none of the monkey dex so far?
Out of my OT
Annihilape and Passimian
rustic mountain
oh ok nice
bold geode
I got others from other OTs but I gotta assert my dominance as the alpha monkey so I gotta do my own OTs
nocturne holly
Real
rustic mountain
most of em shouldnt b too bad since u can outbreak hunt it, id wait for ||chimchar cuz starters likely r gna b outbreak huntable in indigo disk w/ the teranium or w/e|| also can hunt it in pla
bold geode
most of em shouldnt b too bad since u can outbreak hunt it, id wait for ||chimch...
Honestly yeah
I can get both the egg monkeys then
I don't have shiny charm in PLA though and I do not plan on getting it
rustic mountain
actually ||grookey prolly will be too||
oh ok yea its a bit more to get it in pla but i enjoyed pla a lot so i went for it
did a lot of shiny hunting in that game
bold geode
I loved PLA but I could never
rustic mountain
yea its a grind
bold geode
Thankfully shiny hunting wasn't as bad in that game anyways
So it's not too bad even without charm
rustic mountain
nah u didnt need it but it helps
i wish we got a format w/ jus the hisuan mons added
bold geode
Yes
I honestly wish that was Reg D
rustic mountain
bold geode
Would've highlighted them all SO MUCH better
rustic mountain
kleavor had like 2 seconds of shine vs dnite/pao cores nd that was it
bold geode
But then like
Only a few got fame
rustic mountain
only 2 have really been prevalent w/ the rest either being niche ladder choices or unuseable
ig hisuan lilligant was solid for a second too
had some tour results iirc
rustic mountain
nails and sempra did well w/ it pre reg d but h lilligant and regular lilligant kinda died off w/ more checks/stronger mons
heatran jus walled it completely cuz it was tera grass for the most part wen it came back
rustic mountain
yea jus a generally good defensive typing
funny to see it get hit se by a poison move
rustic mountain
yea i jus mean w/ the immunity but for sure quad resist becoming se too
i used hearthflame a lot at the beginning of reg e
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It was on my first rental
rustic mountain
i really am likin wellspring more now tho
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Although I gotta say Wellspring better
Rockpon is a bit niche and Teal well it's just Teal
rustic mountain
i used to think it was 1a 1b heartflame first now i think its jus 1. waterpon
nocturne holly
I hate spe booster flutter
rustic mountain
i dont see it much anymore
nocturne holly
Scarfshifu can’t fuck it over
Also outspeeds spe booster moon
rustic mountain
Rockpon is a bit niche and Teal well it's just Teal
i think teal is still underexplored
fallen rivet
what tera should I do for harc
rustic mountain
even after boyts success
smoky hawk
Scarfshifu also can't do much to regieleki. It's been working for me
rustic mountain
what tera should I do for harc
usually tera fairy or tera normal
fallen rivet
thank
nocturne holly
what tera should I do for harc
Fairy/normal/grass
booster mane is insanely annoying
fallen rivet
I use rocky mane
nocturne holly
my line into it is mostly just amoonguss
fallen rivet
probs shouldn't use that
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i think teal is still underexplored
Yeah
You got Rilla and Kingambit around so not much value sometimes
Also Dragon Hisuian Arcanine can slap
rustic mountain
probs shouldn't use that
much better items for flutter
nocturne holly
I use rocky mane
Rocky helmet??
rustic mountain
Also Dragon Hisuian Arcanine can slap
who tf runs dragon harc
fallen rivet
Gotcha. I've got it defensively boosted and tera water to resist urshifu
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who tf runs dragon harc
rustic mountain
Yeah
You got Rilla and Kingambit around so not much value sometimes
yea but u have partners
fallen rivet
but what would be a better item for it?
rustic mountain
specs or booster energy
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Trust me
Unironically Dragon Harc hits
rustic mountain
depends on the team comp
fallen rivet
depends on the team comp
right now it's harc, ih, ogerpon water
rustic mountain
ahaha i mean ig, dragon is a better defensive typing atm i jus havent seen it myself
nocturne holly
Imo dragon is one of the best types rn
rustic mountain
right now it's harc, ih, ogerpon water
if u hav no speed control option id say booster energy speed. if theres tw then specs
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Although I will say rn though tera fairy blast does have a bit more value cuz Harcs moveset is actually kinda shit for CB sets when looking at 4th moves
rustic mountain
e speed?
nocturne holly
Although I will say rn though tera fairy blast does have a bit more value cuz Ha...
Tera blast fairy is really good
Head smash is also kinda clutch
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On CB sets, you already run Slide/Blitz/Espeed
fallen rivet
if u hav no speed control option id say booster energy speed. if theres tw then ...
I'm planning on adding be rm at some point if I can trade for it, so probably specs (or maybe fairy feather?). I have my ev's in the wrong spots, should I just use a different Flutter mane?
rustic mountain
On CB sets, you already run Slide/Blitz/Espeed
if u dont hav head smash on cb set ur throwing
and yea those 3
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if u dont hav head smash on cb set ur throwing
Head Smash is so fuckin niche
rustic mountain
head smash can be so insane in certain situations
fallen rivet
so fairy or dragon for harc then got it
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Like Rock Slide is so free that you're only clicking Head Smash in very specific situations
nocturne holly
fr
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u know it jus won internats right?
It did?
nocturne holly
u know it jus won internats right?
LAIC?
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Ok
How many times did they click it?
rustic mountain
yes
nocturne holly
Ok
How many times did they click it?
About to ask this
rustic mountain
go ask marco
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Lol
rustic mountain
torviv also had head smash in top 8
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I'm not saying it's shit
It's just so niche, but the other moves other than tera blast are even more niche so
fallen rivet
Is iron bundle still ok or is it washed
rustic mountain
but niche implies its not used in a moveslot wen it has been and people have gotten results w/ that and spoken about it as an option. chuppa spoke on how strong it can be where u otherwise wouldnt be getting kos
nocturne holly
I click Tera blast more than I click head smash