competitive_discussion

[keen karma]

Prolly not

Wait it will probably drop off

But not like in a sense that makes harc unviable

[heady onyx]

gotta wait and see, harc deals signifiant damage + espeed

[marble coral]

That’s what I’ve heard plus you can shiny hunt

Build my winning San Antonio team thennnn

[surreal echo]

To be fair, Harc has the same atk stat as Incin, but lacks the fake out and parting shot support

[bold geode]

I got you 👀

[smoky hawk]

So you're saying that harc will be outclassed soon

Isn't incin coming back?

[charred saddle]

i just feel that Harc rockslide stab cant be imitated by incin

but incin does learn Close combat tho

[near crag]

Hi! I am searching for a Pokémon who could solidly spam surf, in order to activate vaporeon’s water absorb. Basically a bulky water special attacker

[charred saddle]

idk if going double water is nice. but you can go milotic. its bulky.

or other non water like goodra/clodsire

[near crag]

Is beartic a good call?

[charred saddle]

idk haha, beartic sp atk isnt good compared to its attack

and im not familiar with the idea u are planning to do

im just giving opinions

[gloomy crescent]

Ok sorry I just confused

[dull haven]

It's okay. I understand confusion, but it doesn't hurt to phrase things a little nicer lol

[gloomy crescent]

Ok

[bold geode]

[bold geode]

Slowbro?

Don't recommend that strategy but

[willow vault]

Thoughts? https://pokepast.es/03c2729573d12350

The spreads aren't perfect but I thought I would send a baseline, to check.

[charred saddle]

i just met an endure weak armour weakness policy armarouge + surging strikes scarf urshifu

t1 it surging strikes to endure arm get 4 speed + 2 Sp a and indeedee comes in

i have no rilla to change terrain for prio

[near crag]

My plan is to go urshifu and anger point krookodile, paired with water absorb vaporeon and surf spam. I also would use dragonite and regieleki as sweepers, if any of those strats fail

[willow vault]

What variation of Urshifu are you using because it’s it’s Rapid Strike, your Krokodile is forced to Tera to survive surging Strikes

[nocturne holly]

if youre doing that gimmick meow is better

but that gimmick kinda sux

anyways time for some sd laddering

[bold geode]

Although the gimmick sucks ass, if you're intent on doing it, I'd go Meowscarada or Frost Breath Froslass

[nocturne holly]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2023regulatione-1994817100

[pearl wind]

[nocturne holly]

rip

i hate that strat
armadeedee sux

fuck hoodra

i hate that fucking thing

my fucking god

how tf does grass not resist rock

[mighty stump]

Are you gonna overreact about something again

[nocturne holly]

absolutely

why doesnt grass resist rock

[mighty stump]

Why should it?

[nocturne holly]

because like

plants grow on rock

[silk stream]

Rocks squish plants

[silk lily]

We love a good ogerpon sweep

[silk stream]

It's a 50 / 50 relationship

[nocturne holly]

absolutely not

plants are like cushiony

[silk stream]

U telling me, rhat if I put a daisy on the ground. And dropped a rock on it. The daisy wouldn't be squished?

[nocturne holly]

that makes no sense
i tera grassed my hands on the assumption that grass resists rock

[mighty stump]

I feel like the more productive thing is just accepting things how it is lol

YOU ALREADY RESISTED ROCK

WHY WOULD YOU TERA GRASS

[nocturne holly]

flutter was also there

[mighty stump]

THEN YOURE A FOOL

[nocturne holly]

it moonblasted me

wait lemme think

[silk stream]

I've been here 5 mins. And I already know that you and thinking ain't a good combo

[nocturne holly]

bruh lmao

ok so
i think hands wouldve survived moonblast and then ohkoed flutter in return
shifu survived hornleech and aquajet

but i think hands wouldve been low enough for ivy cudgel to still ko

ok well maybe i shoudlve ss into rockpon
but i think jet was the right play cuz flutter couldve d gleamed

[silk stream]

Flutter could've mystical fire'd

[nocturne holly]

no

thats an insane prediction

as it was specs

oh yea + pon couldve still wood hammered/horn leeched

wildbolt crit mightve just lost me the game bruh

[mellow barn]

So any predictions what possible pokemon might be staples on the next DLC in competitive?
Though we don't know for sure what pokemon will return, what you all hope for?
My pokemon that I think will become staples:
Metagross, Blaziken, Hitmontop, Inceneror, Whimsicot, Swampert, Lapras and Rhydon

[mighty stump]

Metagross, Incin, Whims

Blaziken is eh, Hitmontop is outclassed and as a pure FIghting type thats gonna be shitty, Swampert mega meh, Lapras was hella carried by Dmax, RHydon not even

And I think you more meant Rhyperior, could be alright in TR with Solid Rock

[mellow barn]

No I meant Rhydon with Eviolite

[mighty stump]

Nah

[mellow barn]

[mighty stump]

Archaludon/Raging Bolt/Walking Wake assuming the latter 2 are legal

[mellow barn]

From insanity comes innovation

[bold geode]

Or more insanity

[mellow barn]

True

[silk lily]

Tofu whos ur fav of the trio

In dlc

[gloomy crescent]

I'm stuck on rank 4 begginging

[mellow barn]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tWfZhHm7HDw
Oh this is gonna be fun 👀

[smoky hawk]

I'm loving regieleki lately. Destroys scarf urshifu and flying tera'd lando

[gloomy crescent]

Regileki is going to be on my next team or atleast something that can stop switches

[smoky hawk]

It also takes out tornadus

I just made a team with regieleki and booster bundle. 2 very fast pokemon with speed control moves

[gloomy crescent]

Do you guys wanna know my idea on using regileki

[smoky hawk]

Sure

[gloomy crescent]

So I'm going to put lapras on my team Also I'm also gonna put grip claw or what ever it is to stop the mons from returning then it's going to be perish song

Does that work?

[smoky hawk]

Are we not talking about gen 9?

[dapper crag]

Item: Grip Claw

Holder's partial-trapping moves always last 7 turns.

SableyeBot version 4.24.4

[gloomy crescent]

We are

My team is for next reg

Season 14

[smoky hawk]

Is lapras returning in the dlc?

Not currently in game

[gloomy crescent]

Ye

I have a list of returning

[smoky hawk]

Then that is worth testing

Would the trapping move be whirlpool?

[gloomy crescent]

Whirlpool isn't in gen 9 💀

[smoky hawk]

Maybe it will be, who knows

What is the trapping move then?

[dapper crag]

Move: Thunder Cage

Prevents the target from switching for four or five turns (seven turns if the user is holding Grip Claw). Causes damage to the target equal to 1/8 of its maximum HP (1/6 if the user is holding Binding Band), rounded down, at the end of each turn during effect. The target can still switch out if it is holding Shed Shell or uses Baton Pass, Flip Turn, Parting Shot, Shed Tail, Teleport, U-turn, or Volt Switch. The effect ends if either the user or the target leaves the field, or if the target uses Mortal Spin, Rapid Spin, or Substitute successfully. This effect is not stackable or reset by using this or another binding move.

Type

Electric

Category

Special

Power

80

Accuracy

90

PP (max)

15 (24)

Move Flags

​

Mirror

Copied by Mirror Move.

Contact

Does not make contact.

SableyeBot version 4.24.4

[smoky hawk]

Oh regieleki, gotcha.

[gloomy crescent]

Well we have switching moves so that's a bumer

[smoky hawk]

Would have to test to see if gothitelle isn't superior for this

[gloomy crescent]

Whats gothitelle good for

[smoky hawk]

Shadow tag ability

[dapper crag]

Ability: Shadow Tag

Prevents opposing Pokemon from choosing to switch out, unless they are holding a Shed Shell, are a Ghost type, or also have this Ability.

SableyeBot version 4.24.4

[gloomy crescent]

Ooooh that might be better

As they can switch out before I set all the thunder cages up

[bold geode]

Be careful with that
Speculation like that can come back to bite ya

[amber ibex]

how is flutter mane not banned from everything?

[bold geode]

Don't ban stuff in VGC

And OU iirc it's banned there, although I really only do VGC so someone can correct me

[coral agate]

it's balanced in vgc imo

it feels like the most fair most used mon we've ever had to me

[bold geode]

I wouldn't say fair
But you can handle it for sure

[dull ibex]

How is it not fair?

[bold geode]

It's been a crazy dominant Mon since it's very use
I'm not saying it's THE MOST broken
But it is really fuckin powerful

[dull ibex]

Yeah its dominant in usage

But it's not oppressive imo

You know mon is oppressive? Shifu

[mellow barn]

The fact that, if unable to deal Mane, it will destroy teams.
But I wouldn't say it is unbeatable
Chin Pao Sucker Punch
Iron Hands Heavy Slam
????? (I got nothing else for counters )

[dull ibex]

But alot of mons dismantle teams if you don't have answers to it

[mellow barn]

And no team is perfect

[dull ibex]

Wood hammer from rillaboom ohkos

Flash cannon from heatran

[coral agate]

flutter is easy to use and easy to beat, doesn't take ohkos it shouldn't and just deals some good fast damage

[dull ibex]

Surging strikes

[coral agate]

can be bulky, even supportive

[dull ibex]

I would not say it doesn't take KOs

I've KOd plenty with mane

[coral agate]

it does take them but not like unfair kos like ursh critting through protect

[dull ibex]

Mane isn't balanced btw

None of the top tiers are balanced

They're all atleast a bit bonkers

[coral agate]

it's not designed as balanced but due to how easy it is to beat it's not like annoying or feels unstoppable

[dull ibex]

That isn't what balanced means

[coral agate]

like incin or zacian did a lot of the time

[bold geode]

I opened a can of worms huh

[dull ibex]

Incin never felt unstoppable

It just checks the unstoppable stuff so it was annoying for meta teams

Maybe that's why I hated incin

It checked my bullshit

[coral agate]

i think i'm just using the wrong words here but mane as the most used mon is the least problematic one imo that's what i'm trying to say

[dull ibex]

Oh yeah maybe

We've had worse for sure

[nocturne holly]

What do you guys do when you take a break from vgc

[dull ibex]

I play other games

[coral agate]

incin, zacian, eleki with dynamax, gen 6 xerneas

[mellow barn]

Yeah and most powerful pokemons are just generally difficult to deal with. That's why the meta

[coral agate]

i don't even play games nowadays and only play vgc like once a week if i can remember to do so

been too busy lately

[coral agate]

hands is the most annoying and hardest to deal with atm out of the top ones imo

[dull ibex]

Hands is the perfect vgc mon imo

[mellow barn]

Ground moves are good counters though 🤔

[coral agate]

it aint getting ohkod most of the time

[charred saddle]

not really, IH is so bulky that it can take 2 moves

[dull ibex]

Yeah no

[charred saddle]

drain punch, heals back then u need another 2 hit

[coral agate]

and it's healing it all back with drain punch

[dull ibex]

Nothing besides like specs super invested moonblast kills

OR HARC APPARENTLY

[mellow barn]

Ok, then how everyone deal with Hands?

[vague whale]

I think it's the fact you have to dedicate the power to actively removing iron hands that you could place elsewhere that makes him so powerful

[dull ibex]

My clops team just burns it

[charred saddle]

the best counter Harc banded tera blast fairy

lot of investments but it almost ohkoes. so u can tera blast + spread or prio

oh yeah WoW also cuts down Ih effectiveness

[mellow barn]

Also Flying Tera Landorus T

[charred saddle]

no. flying tera lando does 60-70 ish iirc

[mellow barn]

Ah

[charred saddle]

since its not SE with the electric typing

[dull ibex]

It's still a good counter

You don't need to ohko hands

It's not strong enough to ohko most mons

[charred saddle]

252+ Atk Tera Flying Landorus-Therian Tera Blast vs. 0 HP / 4 Def Iron Hands: 194-230 (43.2 - 51.2%) -- 4.7% chance to 2HKO

nvm it doesnt even come close to 60

[dull ibex]

If you do want to ohko or 2hko harc does it easily

Plus you swap in chien 👀

[mellow barn]

I kinda wanna run Defensive Arcenine 🤔

[dull ibex]

Regular go for it

It's worse then what we have rn

[charred saddle]

Harc still can do some support, WoW, rock slide flare blitz protect

but the typing makes it a bit worse

[dull ibex]

I would not bother with defensive harcanine

A bit?

[charred saddle]

ye, its not that bad since rock slide stab still is nice and still walls flutter chiyu

[dull ibex]

If you build it as a support it's pretty bad imo

[bold geode]

Oh yeah

[dull ibex]

It's typing kinds pigeonholed it into offensive

It's been done before I would not try though

[charred saddle]

sitrus Harc with the moveset is kinda common tho

[mellow barn]

I just see Intimidate + WoW as good physical counter 🤔

[dull ibex]

No it's not, not really

I only really see band

[bold geode]

Sitrus do be out there
Some do the Shield with Weezing if spicy
But mostly Band

[dull ibex]

It's has a 4x weakness to two common Meta types

I would not count on that being a support

[mellow barn]

That's why Regular

[dull ibex]

Oh you didn't specify

[gloomy crescent]

Oh ye

[dull ibex]

^

[mellow barn]

I mean Harc as support I never see it

[dull ibex]

Kanto arc is a great support

If Lando doesn't exist

[mellow barn]

And I would have mention Hisuain Arceninen would I have used it

[bold geode]

Sacramento

Also Kantonian Arc sadly kinda blows rn

[dull ibex]

Yeah one team did it support

I still think it's a bad idea

[charred saddle]

ik, it has shit typing compared to the other. but leading it to some counters is just bad play, not even the mon.

but yes i do get your point. Arcnanine is still better at support.

but still sitrus berry Harc with rockslide is still nice with STAB

[mellow barn]

I should rewatch the Latin American games 🤔

[dull ibex]

Kek

[charred saddle]

the kantonian support i think runs flare blitz, snarl, WoW and protect?

[bold geode]

But it's not the worst
Can still put out pressure while supporting
Actually a budget Incin

[charred saddle]

didnt see much of it

[dull ibex]

incin doesnt have two 4xs

[bold geode]

Heatran has a big 4x weakness and so does Kingambit
Yet look at them now

[charred saddle]

is parting a prio move? its not right?

[bold geode]

Plus the 5/5 regionals don't lie

[dull ibex]

still not two

[bold geode]

No
Just Grimm

[mellow barn]

Did LAIC had disqualified top 8 players?
There is a youtuber saying there was 🤔

[dull ibex]

also gambit and heatran are different

[charred saddle]

okok

[dull ibex]

their typing IS defensive

[bold geode]

Yeah but when you lose to a single Ground move or a single Fighting move without tera

Not really all that different

[dull ibex]

yes it is

harc autoloses to water or ground without tera

plus fighting I think and a few others

[charred saddle]

teraing gambit and heatran is common since they are usually the one to do tera.

doing tera on Harc support feels a bit bad

[bold geode]

So does Heat and Gambit with their respectives

[dull ibex]

heat and gambit don't support dollar

[bold geode]

Well you say neither does Harc

[dull ibex]

yes it doesnt

[bold geode]

Think the problem is you're thinking of labels

[dull ibex]

a few support sets don't make it a support mon

[bold geode]

Yeah
I'm not saying it IS a support Mon

[charred saddle]

i usually justify my banded tera just because it usually gets the value quick and i can retreat for end game sweep with e speed or rock slide

[dull ibex]

also go away with the label talk

you guys are labeling too

[bold geode]

I'm not?

[dull ibex]

im talking about why harc doing a support set is a bad idea

"well these other common mons have a 4x weakness as well"

im just not sure why its relevant

[charred saddle]

i didnt even say that

[bold geode]

That's just a fact to a statement you said

[dull ibex]

but what does it matter monke

im not calling harc a bad mon

im saying its MUCH better off offensive because of its weaknesses

[mellow barn]

Harc is a good boy

[dull ibex]

that's why the support set is so rare

[mellow barn]

[gloomy crescent]

Well that atales bax things failing

Because of flutter mane and iron hands

[bold geode]

Yeah but one of your reasoning being the 4x weakness lol

[dull ibex]

yes because those matter alot

[bold geode]

And yeah Atales has 4x steel weakness

[dull ibex]

yeah and the 4x weaknesses hold those mons back too

[mellow barn]

So is Gyrados, yet people sometimes run it

[bold geode]

But what does it usually do?

[gloomy crescent]

I know I use ice types all the time especially those 2

[dull ibex]

its not like harc is the only one suffering from a 4x weakness but those mons dont have a bad defensive typing and 2 common 4x

[charred saddle]

ur saying that bad?

[dull ibex]

yeah I think its a bad set for harc

[charred saddle]

guess what

[dull ibex]

Ik its the winning set

yeah im aware it won a tournament

[mellow barn]

[dull ibex]

that doesnt debunk my opinion

[bold geode]

Look
It can also work depending on the team

[dull ibex]

I dont care

im sorry but this isnt what this is about

[gloomy crescent]

My mons get knocked out by that too 😢

[dull ibex]

some people can make it work, it doesnt mean I reccomend people do it

[gloomy crescent]

Rock slide hurts

[bold geode]

It's something that can be tried though lol

[dull ibex]

its too passive for a mon too easy to be removed

[gloomy crescent]

Isn't rock slide sp atk?

[mellow barn]

If I have a chance of team filled with dogs... 👀

[bold geode]

Whatever I'm stopping

[dull ibex]

also really quick bubu

[charred saddle]

oh btw

u need fairy still?

[dull ibex]

you know eleki just got second right?

[charred saddle]

before i go sleep

[dull ibex]

I do yeah

[charred saddle]

i remember u guys talking about it

tera blast ice right? with amgnet

[dull ibex]

I think tournament results as a gotcha is flawed

im sure you were messing around but I figured id explain

anyways if you can trade dm me

[bold geode]

Idk
Tournament results rn aren't too far off

[charred saddle]

no i do get your point. i am also supporting reg arc to be support better than Harc

[dull ibex]

monke isnt wrong

you COULD Run it

but you would need to build with that in mind

if you are just splashing harc go offensive

also there is alot more nuance to what im saying

[bold geode]

Tbh
Kinda and kinda not as that team was more around IDBP Kon

[dull ibex]

ah so harc was a response to that

[mellow barn]

Snarl or Extreme Speed? 🤔

[dull ibex]

it depends on your team genuinely

[bold geode]

Well it helped that Mon
Wisp + IDBP
Can actually stall out in moments

[charred saddle]

kantonian?

snarl WoW flare blitz protect / E speed

[dull ibex]

yeah in that case I see why its good

[charred saddle]

flare blitz is a needed move for STAB

[dull ibex]

but! this is a specific case with a FANTASTIC player

"hey I want to use harc" isnt a case like that ya know?

[mellow barn]

IDBP?

[charred saddle]

so either u use protect or swap it for E speed

[dull ibex]

iron defense body press

[mellow barn]

Ah

[gloomy crescent]

How do you guys get to master rank so fast

[mellow barn]

Used last Regional best team with slight changes

[dull ibex]

don't take this the wrong way please but, Im kinda just probably good at the game

[gloomy crescent]

I know you are

[mellow barn]

Practice, practice, learning, learning

[dull ibex]

tbh this last few regs have been hell

[gloomy crescent]

Also you make my team and you say its good but I'm just bad at reading

[dull ibex]

its taken me like 50 games to go masterball

[bold geode]

Return of the Quag

[charred saddle]

cough cough
but i havent played again haha

[mellow barn]

Mine took 69

[molten oasis]

https://pokepast.es/5cf24c23d0223ad6 anyway thoughts on this? Team is primarily built around sylveon (flutter will NOT be added).

[mellow barn]

Bruh... what you played?

[gloomy crescent]

Bruh I'm at 19 battles and I'm at rank 4

[dull ibex]

are you new?

[bold geode]

Flutter

[charred saddle]

i have my rentals in the rental teams

[gloomy crescent]

Iam leafy so I'm new

[dull ibex]

it took me five years to get where I am

[mellow barn]

[gentle crag]

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[dull ibex]

it was worth it because I get masterball every single reset I play now

it used to be hell for me

[gloomy crescent]

Do you know I'm leafy red

[dull ibex]

no i had no idea

[charred saddle]

red, its fairy right?

[dull ibex]

i dont check profiles and i cant see pfps

[charred saddle]

just wanna make sure

[dull ibex]

yeah im doing tera fairy blast

[mellow barn]

Poland games were this week?

[gloomy crescent]

Well my pfp is now V from murder drones and seriously I act like leafy still

[dull ibex]

i am sorry?

[gloomy crescent]

Just saying alight

[dull ibex]

ight

[charred saddle]

me go sleep now

[dull ibex]

tera blast time 🥳

[gloomy crescent]

Ok gn

[mellow barn]

[gloomy crescent]

I have tried changing my attitude alittle as people find it frustrating

[dull ibex]

SAME

[gloomy crescent]

Aparantly I swear too much

Why is drago lurking

Also alyz

[mellow barn]

How would you all build Hisuian Samurott if you had to include it in the team?
Think of it as a challenge

[dull ibex]

slap it on a standard balance team

[charred saddle]

ass typing. fairy fighting grass electric

[dull ibex]

POV reg F

[charred saddle]

the three typings are very common

[pearl wind]

no sleep?

[molten oasis]

Bububaba go sleep

[charred saddle]

in bed now

[molten oasis]

Ah, I see

[pearl wind]

go sleep

[dull ibex]

new wolfe vid 🥳

[charred saddle]

[molten oasis]

[dull ibex]

fire type vid 👀

[molten oasis]

Oh that one

That’s been out for a couple days I believe

[dull ibex]

still new

[molten oasis]

True

[dull ibex]

wolfe calling me poor with this watch ad

these look out of my tax bracket

[molten oasis]

Lol

[dull ibex]

"despite being a support pokemon its can deal damage" about karcanine

[mellow barn]

I should concider Wolfe's patreon 🤔

[dull ibex]

TRUE

torkoal love 👀

[gloomy crescent]

Bubu i thought you where going to sleep

[dull ibex]

he is in bed now

[molten oasis]

Are you new?

Like to the discord

I don’t remember seeing you around much until a couple days ago

[dull ibex]

BIG SIX WOOOO

[gloomy crescent]

Lol I'm leafy 💀

[next stump]

it’s a pretty good deal

i have a friend who pays so i just look at the info

[mellow barn]

Samurott-Hisui @ Assault Vest
Ability: Sharpness
Level: 50
Tera Type: Poison
EVs: 236 Atk / 76 Def / 196 SpD
Careful Nature

• Aqua Cutter
• Aqua Jet
• Sacred Sword
• Knock Off

Well I tried, My mind is saying make it bulky. Similar to hands.

[karmic temple]

I paid for one month of wolfeys patreon and canceled

[gloomy crescent]

Is it the bulk of the hisuian starts

[dull ibex]

"that's boomer tera blast for you new kids" LMAO

[gloomy crescent]

There is always an attacker and bulk

Also a speed

[mellow barn]

Just how I see I would run it, Since most things are gonna be faster than Samurott even with Speed evs I prefer it to survive

[gloomy crescent]

Take gen 8 for an example cinderace attacker inteleon speed and rillaboom for the bulk

[dapper crag]

Pokémon No. 503: Samurott-Hisui

Types

Water/Dark

Abilities

Torrent, Sharpness (Hidden)

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

90/108/80/100/65/85

Total

528

Base Species

Samurott

SableyeBot version 4.24.4

[dull ibex]

Trifecta ⭐

[mellow barn]

[gloomy crescent]

So the attacker

[dull ibex]

gmax zard being on of the big 3 is deserved

[dapper crag]

Pokémon No. 724: Decidueye-Hisui

Types

Grass/Fighting

Abilities

Overgrow, Scrappy (Hidden)

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

88/112/80/95/95/60

Total

530

Base Species

Decidueye

SableyeBot version 4.24.4

[dull ibex]

it was so insane that it was meta from introduction TO THE END

[gloomy crescent]

Another attacker wth

[dapper crag]

Pokémon No. 157: Typhlosion-Hisui

Types

Fire/Ghost

Abilities

Blaze, Frisk (Hidden)

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

73/84/78/119/85/95

Total

534

Base Species

Typhlosion

SableyeBot version 4.24.4

[gloomy crescent]

Ok bulk

But wheres the speed?

[dull ibex]

decid looks bulkier

88 80 95 decid
73 78 85 typholision

[gloomy crescent]

Oh

[dull ibex]

typh is the sweeper in this case

[mellow barn]

Joined Wolfey Patreon. I'm in 😎

[dull ibex]

we don't have a speedy mon in that trio

they're all mid speed

this dude's editor is goated

[molten oasis]

https://tenor.com/view/skeleton-gif-26826812

My bad I didn’t know

[nocturne holly]

Fr

[dull ibex]

just be able to tell

[molten oasis]

Fr, you’re so right

Look at that red right again

[gloomy crescent]

Drago don't worry red didn't know either

[dull ibex]

as usual

[molten oasis]

AS SUSUAL LOL

[dull ibex]

sus?

https://tenor.com/view/among-us-rotating-funny-gif-16158352623345703756

[molten oasis]

https://tenor.com/view/pokemon-amoonguss-among-us-sus-whos-that-gif-20298355

[gloomy crescent]

https://tenor.com/view/uzi-kills-j-murder-drones-j-uzi-md-gif-12993690641621761241

I've got to decontaminate this place

[dull ibex]

dude drago this video is so good

[molten oasis]

I watched it

[dull ibex]

the memes please my brain

[molten oasis]

It was pretty good

Better than the average Wolfe video

[dull ibex]

xerneas and primal groudon shaking hands eqwhjkl;eqwjkle

[molten oasis]

(They are all high quality)

[dull ibex]

the primals are ridiculous

[molten oasis]

Mhmm

It’s kinda why I don’t ever want to see the megas come back

[gloomy crescent]

Where xerneas an yveltal to op for mega evolution

[dull ibex]

no

groudon and kyogre were already stupid strong and got megas

[molten oasis]

Yep

Megas catered to what mons the people liked

[dull ibex]

besides a few

[molten oasis]

So weaker mons didn’t really get much access to it

A few yea

[dull ibex]

WHAT NO WAY

WOLFE SAID INCIN IS THE BEST MON EVER

[mellow barn]

[dull ibex]

WHO COULD HAVE GUESSED

[molten oasis]

I mean

[mellow barn]

How would all counter Incineror should you face it in the future?

[molten oasis]

It kinda is

[molten oasis]

We literally start facing it in a month

[dull ibex]

clamulet

use my own incineroar

[mellow barn]

[molten oasis]

I’m prob using incin on my snow teams

[dull ibex]

because you are a fool if you think meta slave redington isnt running incin

I have the shiny READY

[molten oasis]

Aww what

I might hunt for shiny incin

[keen karma]

No shit

[dull ibex]

an ex friend gave it to me before we stop talking

[mellow barn]

I don't like shinies... except Umbreon

[dull ibex]

miss the point challenge GO

[molten oasis]

Wait aren’t the starters in the dlc 2 just wild encounters?

[dull ibex]

ofc its bossman missing the point

[molten oasis]

If so I might just be able to sandwich hunt them

[keen karma]

Immediately it was given intimidate it literally got top 7 in all 7 spots

Shit is busted

[molten oasis]

Incin

Is not broken, it has insane utility

[keen karma]

It is definitely broken

[molten oasis]

No it isn’t

[dull ibex]

incin is broken

[gloomy crescent]

Use never owned an incin

[molten oasis]

ok nvfm

[dull ibex]

all of the top tier mons are broken drago

[molten oasis]

I can’t argue shit

Whatever, back to ladder

[dull ibex]

drago stop doing thios

like fr, just take an L and discuss

im wrong constantly its fine

[molten oasis]

So by that logic hands and lando are broken

[dull ibex]

yes

hands and lando are busted

[molten oasis]

Great so things I was told by better players are just wrong cool

[dull ibex]

yes

[molten oasis]

Anyway back to ladder

[dull ibex]

they are wrong

[keen karma]

Just because ppl disagree doesnt mean you have to just start crying about it everytime

[gloomy crescent]

Is drago complaining that he lost?!

[keen karma]

No its just annoying to me sometimes

[dull ibex]

the thing with being broken in pokemon is so many pokemon are broken that some stop looking broken

[molten oasis]

Holy shit I WAS WRONG MOVE ON

[dull ibex]

LETS GO TOP 5k IM NOT WASHED ANYMORE

[keen karma]

Gg

[dull ibex]

Brian hands is probably the best mon in the format

[gloomy crescent]

What could I do about me team

[dull ibex]

until incin

[mellow barn]

Lando and Tornadus have strengths and weaknesses. Them being restricted shows that.
Though not unbeatable, they have enough general bulk because that's what they are....
Legendaries.
Still, typing does make it easier to deal with them and counter strats are always there.

[dull ibex]

they are not restricted

[mellow barn]

Dafug?

[dull ibex]

restricted mons are the box arts

[mellow barn]

Oh my bad, was wrong

[keen karma]

Im ngl

[dull ibex]

the thing with torn is when it comes around almost every tailwind user disappears

[gloomy crescent]

Someone used both of them and I one shot them both with my blizzard I don't think they ev trained their defence

[keen karma]

Torn aint doin shit in restricted

Thats when the big fall off happens

[dull ibex]

and when lando shows up almost every intim users disappears

[mellow barn]

Nice

[dull ibex]

imagine being this wrong

[keen karma]

I meant to my team

[dull ibex]

Tornogre.

I see

[mellow barn]

Could Venasaur be a potential Trick Room mon?

[keen karma]

Yea

[dull ibex]

nah its a cholorphyll mon

[keen karma]

Nah its gonna be good on a tr team

Not a tr mon itself tho

[dull ibex]

not unless sunroom comes back

[keen karma]

For sure it is

Torkoal venu gothi is what im planning on

Its gonna be hell to play against

[dull ibex]

its not going to be that good tbh

Venu was good because of max

[keen karma]

And bcuz of sleep powder

[dull ibex]

no it was just max tbh

[mellow barn]

80/82/83/100/100/80 Venusaur Base stats.
I can see it as supportive pokemon

[keen karma]

In fact i think it will be even better

[dull ibex]

that is just flat out wrong

[bold geode]

I think you're wrong lol

[dull ibex]

no I dont think so

[bold geode]

Hands and Landot are good
But they can be countered quite fairly

[dull ibex]

there is not really a way venu can be better without max

[dull ibex]

Monke counterplay isnt what decides busted or not

[keen karma]

Lando t is ok

I dont enjoy using it that much

[mellow barn]

I see why you don't think it's good Red and I kinda agree, but potential is there just like Weezing and other mons we have seen.

[bold geode]

It has a good part in it

[dull ibex]

every single top tier is busted

there is not a single top tier mon rn without counterplay

[keen karma]

Fari:

[dull ibex]

so then nothing is broken

[bold geode]

Also I have theory that Annihilape can deter Incineroar

[dull ibex]

farig isnt a top tier

[mellow barn]

It's ability right?

[gloomy crescent]

Farig is hard for me to take out

[keen karma]

Debatable i think

[dull ibex]

again hands is probably the best mon we have

its not balance its busted

[gloomy crescent]

Maybe it's because I don't have a type match up against it

[keen karma]

Fari is an anti meta pick solely due to how unpopular it is

[dull ibex]

lando invalidates 90% of imtimidate pokemon

[keen karma]

But it has shown time and time again that it is insanely good

[dull ibex]

I think people say they are not broken relative to the other way more busted mons

[bold geode]

Yup plus Ghost typing and favorable to Fire tera

[dull ibex]

like shifu, mane, pon

[gloomy crescent]

I'm seeing corviknight more often now

[mellow barn]

But what about Throat Chop?

[gloomy crescent]

Same eith t tar

[bold geode]

I think Hands is actually balanced

[dull ibex]

how?

[bold geode]

Neutral since Fighting type

[mellow barn]

Ah

[dull ibex]

its good great offense, and an insane ammount of bulk, ontop of a good typing and fake out

[gloomy crescent]

It isnt ballanced

[dull ibex]

that isnt balanced

[gloomy crescent]

It's like the opposite of ballanced

[keen karma]

Rilla imo isnt busted

Neither is harc

[dull ibex]

rilla has bulk fake out and prior

[bold geode]

It can be walled by certain things at times, has to EV Special Defense wise for big threats, etc

[dull ibex]

but that doesnt make it balanced

it just makes it not the worst thing to happen to pokemon ever

[gloomy crescent]

Earth power gets it down fast but its still isn't ballanced

[bold geode]

Red what is your definition of balanced then

[dull ibex]

we are throwing out the word balanced for pokemon that are top tier in some of the most power crept vgc ever

[bold geode]

Yeah
Hands lmao

[dull ibex]

because hands isnt balanced

[bold geode]

Oh right
It's top 10 so it's busted

[dull ibex]

for starters something that invalidates other choices isnt balanced

[dull ibex]

yeah kind of.

[gloomy crescent]

Are there evs in pla just asking

[dull ibex]

we have 900 pokemon and only so many are viable

[bold geode]

No lol
Kingambit was top 12 in day 2 usage at Peoria
Cuz of meta call

[dull ibex]

that should tell you something

kingambit isnt balanced either

[knotty mirage]

I don't think so

[bold geode]

Yeah
Why use fucking Toedscruel rn when shit that ain't even top 10 can clap it

[gloomy crescent]

900 we have over 1000

[bold geode]

Kingambit is not really busted

[dull ibex]

makes my point stronger

[gloomy crescent]

1017 to be exact

[dull ibex]

pokemon is in no way shape or form a properly balanced game

there is a meta game of stupid mons that are way better then everything else

and we judge them based on eachother

its not a bad game for being unbalanced with a stupid high power ceiling but its the truth

[bold geode]

Then we get restricted and the same mons rn you say are busted you'd probably be like "ain't busted"

[dull ibex]

yeah because its relative

restricted are even more busted then what we have now

also alot of what we have now are still going to be good in restricted meta

[gloomy crescent]

I don't even know what you 2 are talking about but I'm taking reds side on this

[dull ibex]

there is only two restricted slots

[bold geode]

Yeah
So you're talking in a relative sense
I'm talking out of all general lmao

[dull ibex]

in general for all of pokemon

everything in the meta is broken

[molten oasis]

No

That’s just not true

[dull ibex]

yes man that is how power creep works

[molten oasis]

No

[bold geode]

Man I gotta go back to work fuck this
Talking to a brick wall rn

[dull ibex]

no no no no

[molten oasis]

Urshifu is a great example of something broken

[gloomy crescent]

So sprigatito is broken yes I faced someone using one the other night

[dull ibex]

meowscarada is balanced

and its mid af in the current format

[molten oasis]

Not being able to protect infront of urshifu is unhealthy for the game

[mellow barn]

No team is perfect and depends also on the player, experience and small difference.
Also luck.

[molten oasis]

And surging strikes does way too much damage

[dull ibex]

urshifu is one of the most broken mons we've ever had tbh

[molten oasis]

Meanwhile hands feels healthy for the meta

[gloomy crescent]

Someone went gooo sprigatito and then I went blizzard dead

[molten oasis]

For example

[dull ibex]

hands feels healthy?

[gloomy crescent]

Free kill

[molten oasis]

Yea it’s just tanky

[bold geode]

https://tenor.com/view/wall-gif-26450094

[molten oasis]

Good utility Mon

[molten oasis]

Who is that directed to

[chrome knot]

honestly good shout

[gloomy crescent]

https://tenor.com/view/murderdrones-gif-23726570

[dull ibex]

monke knock that off im allowed to disagree you arent the main character

[molten oasis]

If I’m being dumb plz plz me

[dull ibex]

its me

[bold geode]

WHEN TF DID I SAY THAT

[molten oasis]

Lol

[dull ibex]

you sure act like it when you call me a brick wall because i disagree

[bold geode]

Honestly when did I ever even imply that

[molten oasis]

Anyway, hands has high utility but it isn’t doing anything obsurd like shifu does

[chrome knot]

@bold geode do you wanna be the main character for this story?

[dull ibex]

ah ok I can answer this

[bold geode]

Guess I already am, got a mile high ego

[dull ibex]

I dont think busted just means offensively oppressive drago

[molten oasis]

Mane, I think mane is broken

[chrome knot]

harharhar

[dull ibex]

defensive mons can be broken too

[molten oasis]

https://tenor.com/view/fnaf-fredbear-gif-24588981

[dull ibex]

that is another issue not with people in here necessarily

[chrome knot]

yeah thay but gangnam style

[molten oasis]

Ok who thinks hands is a broken Pokémon

[dull ibex]

but alot of people I talk to think broken is ONLY offensive

[mellow barn]

https://tenor.com/view/psy-gangnam-style-oppa-gangnam-style-gif-9227998

[bold geode]

Honestly Red you saying that is a bit dickish
Implying my fuckin ego is inflated

[dull ibex]

dude you insult me in every fucking discussion we have im being a dick?

what is the need to call me a brick wall honestly

[bold geode]

Bro I try to explain myself and my reasoning and you just shut it down

[dull ibex]

what is the point of telling me something is my fucking probelm

[molten oasis]

Hands is fo pressure and puts out a lot of staying power

[dull ibex]

because i disagree

[molten oasis]

But it’s not like it feels unbeatable

[dull ibex]

tbh drago nothing rn feels unbeatable imo

[bold geode]

Yeah but no reason to imply that I think the world revolves around me

[dull ibex]

Then stop insulting me

and I wont sling them back

[molten oasis]

That’s fair

Anyway, with incin

[dull ibex]

incin is just nuts

[molten oasis]

Incin having intimidate and fake out is definetly nuts

[bold geode]

Also when I'm doing it , I'M fuckin around with you
That was literally just blatant insult

[molten oasis]

And its annoying

[mellow barn]

Don't forget Parting shot

[dull ibex]

I dont care if you're fucking around monke

[bold geode]

You think I ACTUALLY think you're dogshit at everything

You think I ACTUALLY think you're stupid

[molten oasis]

However, I don’t think incin is broken, it just has very high utility

[dull ibex]

its not funny if the other person isnt laughing

[gloomy crescent]

Guys let's calm the f#*k down

[dull ibex]

this is debatable

[bold geode]

Well say something sooner bitch

[dull ibex]

I DO MONKE I DO CONSTANTLY

I tell you stop messing around with me when im being serious

stop saying this shit I dont like but you double down every single time

[bold geode]

No tf you don't
I have not even recently seen you say it ONCE

[dull ibex]

monke its not a that day thing

[bold geode]

Never said it was a that day thing

[dull ibex]

i've left groups because you don't listen when I tell you something is bothering me

[bold geode]

I fixed shit when you said it

It's not like I COMPLETELY ignore you

[dull ibex]

but you do in the moment

I ask hey don't make that joke you do it again then i repeat hey i dont like that

you do it a third time

[bold geode]

Yeah
And I apologize afterwards or at some point if I know I go too far
But making a joke

[mellow barn]

I can't see myself running The Samurai Emperor 🤔
(The one with large blade on their head and long hair, forgot pokemon's name)

[dull ibex]

why the hell would I want to come here and try to discuss something only to me told im a brick wall

[bold geode]

Man fuck this I'm just going

[dull ibex]

im focusing too much on labels, my opinions are too rigid

[dull ibex]

it also has good natural offense btw

and a phenomenal typing

incin just gets everything

[mellow barn]

Kingambit that it was

The name I forgot

[dull ibex]

gambit is stupid

[gloomy crescent]

Guys lefts calm down

[dull ibex]

defiant is crazy

[mellow barn]

I can see it's potential specially with Sucker Punch

[gloomy crescent]

I don't like it

[mellow barn]

Empolion actually would be great for Incineror

[dull ibex]

why?

[mellow barn]

Hidden ability

[dull ibex]

Tbh I think anihilliape is better

same purpose better mon

[mellow barn]

Yeah it is, unless someone wants to run SpAtk

[dull ibex]

tbh I dont think empoleon is all that good rn

rilla threatens it back time

[mellow barn]

True, perhaps there are ways to counter it 🤔

[dull ibex]

incin?

or rilla?

[mellow barn]

Rilla, let me cook something

[next stump]

LOL

[dull ibex]

rilla is pretty reliably dealt with by lando flying

[molten oasis]

Rilla has counters

So will incin

[dull ibex]

based

[gloomy crescent]

Lol

[dull ibex]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5LlUTGn7Zn0

[gloomy crescent]

Is that an end to my elki already

[dull ibex]

I dont understnad

[mellow barn]

So just an idea of a mad scientist, would build Empolion like this.

Empoleon @ Rocky Helmet
Ability: Competitive
Level: 50
Tera Type: Steel
EVs: 156 HP / 252 Def / 100 SpD
Bold Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

• Yawn
• Protect
• Flash Cannon
• Chilling Water

Checked the Showdown Damage Calculator
Able to survive OHKO from Rilla and Mane
In no means it's viable

[gloomy crescent]

My elki or the vid

[dull ibex]

idk anymore tbh

im gonna take a break some chat

[gloomy crescent]

Wdym some chat

[silk stream]

Anyone got any example Kommo-o sets?

[gloomy crescent]

Yes

I have and @molten oasis has one too

[sand edge]

so when in scarlet and violet im looksing at a mons stats what does and white and yellow shapes mean

[silk stream]

Could I have a looksie?

[sand edge]

how do i see ev

[next stump]

you cannot see the exact number

[gloomy crescent]

@silk stream

[next stump]

you have to use an EV calculator and do the math yourself

[gloomy crescent]

@distant burrow

[sand edge]

anyways then what does the yellow and white shapes mean on the stat graph

[silk stream]

Cheers. Seems I was on the right sorta path with mine. Seen some people using a Iron defence body press one too

[gentle crag]

mas.n has given 1 Gen Rep to leafyglace123

[distant burrow]

hi

[sand edge]

This is the thing I font get. I assume blue is full when ev iv and every thing counted up but don't get yellow n white

[silk stream]

Would it be bad to run Mirror herb on an intim H Arc. Just as there seem to be a fair few defiant mons atm

[gloomy crescent]

Ones evs and ones ivs

I belive

[pearl wind]

the second picture shows your general stat distribution (you see it goes more towards attack and speed than defense for example), the first picture shows your EVs (the light blue on top of the yellow)

its light blue because you have maxed out your EVs, meaning you cant gain any more by defeating other pokémon

[sand edge]

whats the yellow then?

[molten oasis]

If you want I have this one too

Kommando (Kommo-o) @ Throat Spray
Ability: Bulletproof
Level: 50
Shiny: Yes
Tera Type: Steel
EVs: 100 HP / 4 Def / 236 SpA / 4 SpD / 164 Spe
Modest Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

• Clanging Scales
• Clangorous Soul
• Flash Cannon
• Protect

Should outspeed everything at +1

[pearl wind]

i think the yellow in the background shows your base stats, or at least gives you an idea of what your base stats are, the second picture shows you your actual stats (IVs and EVs included)

[dull ibex]

what the bulk do

[pearl wind]

at least thats how i always thought about it

[molten oasis]

It was general bulk I believe

As it only needed that much speed to do its job

[sand edge]

ok so when i reset ivs then i can see it on top of thne ywllow to see curent progress?

[next stump]

you can’t reset IVs

[pearl wind]

i guess you are talking about EVs and yeah, you can then see the distribution of your EVs on top of the yellow

[sand edge]

yeah m,eant ev

[sand edge]

thx a ton

[gentle crag]

AlexSW has given 1 Gen Rep to .alyz.

[sand edge]

just getting in to minmaxing stuff

[silk stream]

any reason for the unique ev's?

[molten oasis]

Speed creeps I believe scarf lando

The bulk was just general bulk

It’s paired with a9 so I wasn’t too worried about it’s bulk

And Sinistcha

[gloomy crescent]

Yall name a kanto gigantamax this person can't think about one

Like half of the gmax's are kanto 💀

[molten oasis]

Nope

[dapper crag]

https://play.pokemonshowdown.com/sprites/ani/kingler-gmax.gif

[pearl wind]

what a cool design

[molten oasis]

Ohk so it hits 189

Which outspeed or speed ties I think roaring moon

Outspeeds moon by 1 point

[dapper crag]

https://play.pokemonshowdown.com/sprites/gen5/blastoise-gmax.png

[molten oasis]

Yea kanto got good treatment in gen 8

For the most part

[gloomy crescent]

Yeah

[dull ibex]

new name dropped

[gloomy crescent]

You able to get 3 starters in gen 8 too

Gen 8 gen 1 only squitle and bulbasaur and the gen 7 ones

[molten oasis]

[gloomy crescent]

These are playthrough ones not the gen 3 or charmander

[silk stream]

ah fair

[silk stream]

cheers

[gentle crag]

mas.n has given 1 Gen Rep to drayagedrago

[gloomy crescent]

Why is celesteela steel flying I know it flies but just have the steel fire type

[molten oasis]

Idk

[mellow barn]

Because it's going to the space

[gloomy crescent]

I'm watching a guy that's playing pokedoku and It asked him to guess a mega evolved mythical hmmmm who may that be

[mellow barn]

https://tenor.com/view/celesteela-pokemon-ub-04-blaster-ultra-beasts-gif-9225460209936921652

[mellow barn]

Diance

[dapper crag]

Pokémon No. 797: Celesteela

Types

Steel/Flying

Abilities

Beast Boost

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

97/101/103/107/101/61

Total

570

SableyeBot version 4.24.4

[molten oasis]

Huh

Just, averaging all stats

[gloomy crescent]

Are there any others

[molten oasis]

Good bulk all around

[dull ibex]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fwTGE3qoo-8 potentially useful video

I like that'sa

[mellow barn]

I don't remember 🤔

[molten oasis]

He uses niche things a lot right?

[gloomy crescent]

That's the point that's the only one

[dull ibex]

I dont think so

[mellow barn]

OK, I do one for you. Which two pokemon are known to get mad from color red in the anime and are rivals?

[gloomy crescent]

I'm colour blind to red 💀

Try another pls

Better not be green

[mellow barn]

What pokemon is known to eat black holes?

[gloomy crescent]

Mega gardevoir right

[mellow barn]

The answer that I was looking for was Dusclops

[gloomy crescent]

Shoot

I'll go next

How many paradox pokemon are there for each game including the ones in dlc part 2

[mellow barn]

9?

[gloomy crescent]

10

[mellow barn]

Shoot, missed by 1

[gloomy crescent]

You missed the new 2

[safe prawn]

how long does swiss on day 2 of regionals usually go? Is it reasonable to book a train back that leaves at 5pm?

[gloomy crescent]

@dull ibex or @molten oasis

[dull ibex]

not sure dont play tourney

[mellow barn]

I would suggest reserving time or ask the event holder about the schedule.
(No personal experience either)

[gloomy crescent]

I don't even know what they talking about 💀

[safe prawn]

sorry, might've been the wrong channel. Thanks anyways. For now, I'll check out the VODs of previous ones

[mellow barn]

No problem, and free to ask

[nocturne holly]

hyper offensive red 😭

i kinda wanna switch teams

i stick with a team on showdown way too long and i get hella bored of it

[next stump]

you’ll be fine doing that

in my experience the whole tournament is usually concluded by that time on Sunday

and of course you only have to be there that long if you win the entire event

[safe prawn]

cheers! For mtg tournaments we always booked early and if someone top8ed, they could just re-book

[silk stream]

What are some good tailwind mons atm, other than torn

[nocturne holly]

roaring mooin is pretty decent

[next stump]

torn outclasses most options but if you want to look elsewhere:

• Pelipper
• Roaring Moon
• Salamence
• Illumise
• Zapdos

Murkrow/Talonflame exist as well for priority tailwind

[nocturne holly]

dillon what do you think of willowisp on band harc
like the scarf tw salamence tech

[silk stream]

perfect, i'll have a look thru them, cheers

[gentle crag]

mas.n has given 1 Gen Rep to mlbd

[next stump]

not worth the slot hahaha

[gloomy crescent]

What would be a pokemon that you would have irl

[next stump]

banded arc you’re not running the kind of bulk needed to get wisps off really

[nocturne holly]

ic

[next stump]

you’re better off just going sitrus with water tera

[nocturne holly]

what band harc spread do you use? max max?

[dull ibex]

thatsa is wild

[molten oasis]

I’m not sure

[dull ibex]

he is not running fake out on this team I might try it

[mellow barn]

Victini

[nocturne holly]

what?

[gloomy crescent]

For me it's garchomp

[dull ibex]

I wrote why

[nocturne holly]

whos not running FO

[dull ibex]

Iron Hands @ Assault Vest
Ability: Quark Drive
Level: 50
Tera Type: Grass
EVs: 156 HP / 100 Atk / 252 SpD
Adamant Nature

• Thunder Punch
• Drain Punch
• Ice Punch
• Heavy Slam
  🤔

[mellow barn]

Mostly because what Victini is, victory pokemon

[dull ibex]

this is not the evs from the video

[nocturne holly]

wild indeed

[next stump]

i think the common spread is 252+ ATK, 188SPE, rest in HP with 4 DEF/SpDef

[dull ibex]

tbh is it wild 🤔

the goal is being easy to play

[nocturne holly]

thx

[gloomy crescent]

I wanna fly and seeing gible evolve would be amazing

[dull ibex]

fake out is a bit of a mind game

[autumn vault]

people that use alolan ninetales should get a life

[gloomy crescent]

https://tenor.com/view/murder-drones-gif-23823892

[autumn vault]

what does that mean?

[gloomy crescent]

Don't say that

[mellow barn]

V uses one

[autumn vault]

ok got it

[mellow barn]

And Ninetails is indeed powerful

I am quite suprised

[autumn vault]

i call it alolan-ice-fairy satan

mediocre typing, barely any support outside of aurora veil and just ugly

https://tenor.com/view/stealth-rocks-stealth-rock-pokemon-pokemon-memes-pokemon-competitive-gif-13567735627639936536

[mellow barn]

Typing: True
Support: Aurora Veil works well, perhaps some snow support or follow me?
Ugly: Nah, it's beautiful as original

[autumn vault]

weak to rocks

[mellow barn]

https://tenor.com/view/furret-pokemon-cute-gif-17963577

Now this is a beast

[autumn vault]

tidy up furret and extreme speed after smacking its belly

hope you eat 30 cookies

like me

[mellow barn]

https://tenor.com/view/furret-pokemon-aaaaa-attack-gift-friendship-gif-25357747

[gloomy crescent]

I've been offended alot for using atales

[mellow barn]

But you also have been winning right?

[dapper crag]

[Latest Gen] Ninetales-Alola

Follow Me:

• Ninetales-Alola does not learn Follow Me in Generation 9

SableyeBot version 4.24.4

[gloomy crescent]

No

[mellow barn]

If only Furret had more viable ability

[dull ibex]

https://pokepast.es/8bbbf2d7b7387643

going to add my spreads and stuff to this team

[gloomy crescent]

Not using pon no more

[dull ibex]

no

[gloomy crescent]

Chien pao is good

It's one of the mons I'm adding on my next

[mellow barn]

Pon seemed to be mostly good as counter but I see why people aren't gonna use it much anymore. It had it's spot in the spotlight. Viable yes, but not as effective.

[dull ibex]

https://pokepast.es/f91f9de4514ee1fd full team

[gloomy crescent]

Well me next team is going to be:
Atales
Lapras
Chien pao
Darkshifu
Waterpon
Regileki

[nocturne holly]

amoonguss w

[molten oasis]

Can’t believe you’re an amoonguss stan smh

[nocturne holly]

timer stallers are so fucking annoying

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2023regulatione-1995037432-u7319oyld5u0hcc4z3tptn01q51kletpw double fucking flinch on hands

[lofty tartan]

What did I just read

[nocturne holly]

what

[silk stream]

So I'm still trying to put together my own team. Sorta using what I see on other teams, and what works for me in game.https://pokepast.es/11dd39a557720ef2

Probably going to use Torn, even tho I ain't a fan of the Mon haha. Its just too good. But what should the 6th be. Maybe flutter makes sense, for some good fairy moves? Or a gholdengo for a special steel/ghost

[summer geyser]

I'm catching the treasures of ruin atm and i'm wondering what nature of the two is best for wo-chien, sassy or calm?

[dawn crown]

is roaring moon ok as a tailwind setter instead of tornadous

[summer geyser]

tornadus has prankster so no imo

[dull ibex]

this is not inherrently true

moon is favorable over torn on balance imo

[dawn crown]

i kinda want the offensive of the roaring moon but still have tailwind as an option

[mellow barn]

Then that is a good option, Tailwind is viable to run with Moon. With booster energy, tera flying and acrobatics you deal great damage. Also consider Breaking Swipe and Knock Off as well for viable moves.

[dawn crown]

👍

[nocturne holly]

Yea it’s pretty solid

Im having success with it on moon balance

[lofty tartan]

Yeah I play Weezing with Moon and Tornadus is impossible to fit in that slot.

There's value in certain things without Prankster, with Tailwind

I've seen like Clefairy/Moon too

Not 100% sure if that's on Tailwind though

[lofty tartan]

Why Mirror Herb? It copies your opponents' stat bonuses, not your own

[near crag]

I am trying to build something around dragonite, what archetype should I tackle?

[lofty tartan]

Dragonite fits comfortably with Chien-Pao, which does sorta push you toward a hyper offensive team

[near crag]

Is there any other viable possibility?

[lofty tartan]

Dragonite by itself is not particularly threatening in the current meta.

But it gains a lot next to Chien-Pao

[near crag]

Another Pokémon who seems to fit with dragonite and chien-pao is regieleki

[lofty tartan]

What gives you that impression?

[near crag]

It could help with ogrepon wellspring, urshifu rapid strike, and it fits well with that “fast sweeper” type of team

If I lead with regieleki and dragonite, I could pretty solidly break lots of gimmicks, or just break the other team’s lead

[lofty tartan]

Regieleki has struggled a lot into the format, especially with Landorus-Therian being all over the place, as well as the existence of a few other big threats.

Transistor getting nerfed didn't do it any favors, either.

I recently tried Regieleki on a team and while fun, it was difficult to position with the prevalence of Lando, and it has paper thin defenses. But if you like it then do it up

[near crag]

I agree with you on this, but wouldn’t chien pao be able to neutralize landorous?

[lofty tartan]

The existence of a pokemon alone doesn't neutralize another. Just like having a type offensively or defensively doesn't immediately check threats.

[bold geode]

Not as necessarily?

Lando can use Rock Slide
Also you do bring 3 other Pokemon for a reason

Chien Pao to me is honestly a physical Flutter Mane
While it is threatening, you can handle it nicely

You thinking hard Mika?

[cyan smelt]

Why does it seem so frail when it has 80 def

[dapper crag]

Pokémon No. 894: Regieleki

Type

Electric

Abilities

Transistor

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

80/100/50/100/50/200

Total

580

SableyeBot version 4.24.4

[lofty tartan]

Having a Chien-Pao/Eleki lead into Landorus/Something seems really rough too. Yeah, Pao has ice attacks but Scarf Lando is faster, can tera, and applies -1 attack, can spread move to deal a ton to both, and you still have a second mon.

[bold geode]

Honestly
Paonite/Eleki/Urshifu RS/Harc/Rillaboom

Don't hit Lando at all

But fr Eleki was kind of a wild card

[lofty tartan]

Monke

[cyan smelt]

Eleki can ice tera

[bold geode]

[bold geode]

Boom Rock Slide

[cyan smelt]

It still outspeeds scarf lando

[bold geode]

Boom Harc

[lofty tartan]

I don't recommend it. I've had an Eleki Ice Tera in front of my Lando, who went Water Tera and clicked Rock Slide anyway

[bold geode]

Boom Heatran

[near crag]

I thought of maybe: dragonite, chien-pao, regieleki, palafin, amoonguss, urshifu rapid strike. It seems solid

[bold geode]

Palafin is booboo

It fell off in middle of Reg C and just kept going downwards

Since Urshifu came in and did it's job better without having to switch out and in

[lofty tartan]

Urshifu and Palafin are trying to fill the same role, but Urshifu does it better

[molten oasis]

Imagine if it had 80 defenses lol

[bold geode]

In that core, you're better off running a fire type for FWG core
Would recommend Heatran or Harc

[molten oasis]

Palafin is fine

Shifu is just simply better

[bold geode]

[molten oasis]

I don’t think palafin is bad

But it’s outclassed by shifu

[lofty tartan]

Fine is a bit of a blanket term, though. Lots of things are fine.

[bold geode]

Rn it'd be EXTREMELY niche

[molten oasis]

Ok it’s decent, does that work better?

[bold geode]

We'll take that
You're still in the council

Council of Winton

[near crag]

Would chi yu work in that team?

[dull ibex]

hello everyone I return after my break

[bold geode]

Red finally has a fitting name

[bold geode]

Not a bad idea either

[dull ibex]

is it because im offensive or using hyper offense 🤨

[nocturne holly]

what’s happening brothers

[bold geode]

You know the meme of the guy tryna choose a button to push

You're pushing both

[dull ibex]

Ha monke gets it

[bold geode]

[near crag]

dragonite, chien pao, chi yu, urshifu rapid strike, amoonguss, regieleki seems to be missing something, dunno what