competitive_discussion

[ember linden]

Ah, agreed.

[bold geode]

It's kinda not
The arguing is just bullshit

[gentle delta]

Like the Clops team is fine, just not my taste

Always feels like its a few gaps short when I try it

[dull ibex]

ill look around for other teams

[livid leaf]

Quick question anyone know the lowest rank number you can get in masterball? I thought I saw someone either like 40k but it's possible I'm blind

[dull ibex]

I think clops luna is a good thing to keep

[dull ibex]

im not sure tbh I would imagine it goes as low as 100k

there is alot of people in ranked tbh

[ember linden]

You can’t drop from it I don’t think

[livid leaf]

okay thank you

[gentle delta]

The lowest rank is how many players are in masterball lol

[dull ibex]

maybe r/vgc has something I like

[gentle delta]

So on average 65xxx

[bold geode]

Talking from experience bud?

[dull ibex]

yes

[bold geode]

[ember linden]

😭

[dull ibex]

im the worst masterball player

[bold geode]

Hey if you ain't first, you're last

[dull ibex]

oh duh, they moved team rating to a seperate reddit

[bold geode]

My phone battery be a bit low

[dull ibex]

no im 65230 to be exact

(im probably actually around 7k? im doing pretty poorly lately)

[bold geode]

Not 69420? Shame

[dull ibex]

I thought about doing that joke

honestly 7k isnt even that bad

[bold geode]

Imma need you to try harder

And get to 42069 for me

[dull ibex]

I just hold myself to a ridiculous standard

[bold geode]

ITS ALL ABOUT QUALITY
GOTTA HIT FUNNY MEME NUMBER

[dull ibex]

eh

[bold geode]

Fuck you mean eh

[dull ibex]

it means im not sharp enough to do banter atm

[bold geode]

You're dull?

[dull ibex]

some people would say so yes

[bold geode]

[dull ibex]

🫡

[bold geode]

I see it so now y'all gotta

[dull ibex]

https://play.pokemonshowdown.com/battle-gen9vgc2023regulationebo3-1993697699 this is why imprison bad

0+ SpA Choice Specs Beads of Ruin Chi-Yu Dark Pulse vs. 252 HP / 4 SpD Farigiraf: 338-402 (148.8 - 177%) -- guaranteed OHKO farig who?

[bold geode]

Great
Wolfe made a video on what the best Fire types were and basically just reiterated Incineroar is good

[gentle delta]

This just in, water is wet

[bold geode]

This just in, eating makes you not hungry

[vapid hedge]

Yo, i just made a new team but im having trouble picking my 6th mon - if i told you the 5, could you share some opinions/options?

[bold geode]

Though forgot to say
Tbf I'm not complaining too much cuz now I have a little more light on Incineroar whereas my knowledge was bar none

[bold geode]

Have paste?

[nocturne holly]

Can you said the paste?

*send

[nocturne holly]

Same 😊😊

[dawn crown]

where do i train speed ev's

[gentle delta]

Just use vitamins and feathers its easier to get them than ever

[surreal echo]

Guys how much speed should i be running on Gholdengo

this is a leftovers nasty plot set btw

[gentle delta]

Depends on the rest of your team and other speed control

[bold geode]

Yeah depends on speed control options
I like doing 127 final speed, which outspeeds Adamant Pao and Modest Mane after an Icy Wind drop, but the speed tier can depend on what speed control you have

[surreal echo]

This is the team I'm running: https://pokepast.es/994d14ece6ffca85

It's a rain team that I've been using to some pretty good success, but right now I'm tweaking the EV spreads a little.

[gentle delta]

My reply wasn’t asking you what your team was, because the whole team isn’t actually relevant

[surreal echo]

I had Tailwind on Pelipper before, but I find that it usually dies before I can set it up and it's too slow for the speed control to take immediate effect on that turn

[gentle delta]

Check the image I sent, consider what your speed control is, and benchmark accordingly

Like decide what you want to outspeed

[surreal echo]

Oh. Well I'd still appreciate any feedback if possible

[bold geode]

You always want Tailwind on Pelipper as well

[gentle delta]

Its not actually common anymore I’ve seen

[bold geode]

Why? That's odd

[gentle delta]

Dont ask me does my name say Rain team god

Lol

[bold geode]

Lmao

[surreal echo]

i mean I'm not using it for the reasons stated above

and i already have TR

[gentle delta]

Nobody clicks tailwind against me so I dont know why people do or dont run it

[bold geode]

Yeah I mean if you had another TW setter, that'd be different
But imo, if you only have Pelipper, TW should be there

[surreal echo]

i know some rain teams have mence

[gentle delta]

Oh its that team

[surreal echo]

that run tw

[gentle delta]

I cant offer feedback I hate those rain tr teams

[surreal echo]

bruh

[dull ibex]

rain tr?

[bold geode]

[surreal echo]

semi-room

[gentle delta]

Like I genuinely dont have any opinions I can offer besides dont play it

[bold geode]

Rain room pog

[surreal echo]

why it's goated

[gentle delta]

Its been doing well but its easier to hate out

[surreal echo]

spread move + priority move denying go brrrrr

• status moving denying

[gentle delta]

Its the kinda team that, now that people are winning with it, it will stop winning

[dull ibex]

is farig good as a setter?

[surreal echo]

pretty good

[dull ibex]

its kit is very intriguing to me

[gentle delta]

Only if the team leans on it

[surreal echo]

prankster taunt and fake out cant touch you

[bold geode]

Farigiraf kinda more soft TR though ain't it?

[dull ibex]

🤔 interesting

[surreal echo]

psychic one shots urshifu unless it's really bulky

[surreal echo]

yeah

dgleam is for pao

[dull ibex]

unfortunately I can't find much that interests me so it turns I will stick to my clops team for now

[surreal echo]

and helping hand just in case tera water surging strikes in rain still isnt enough carnage

[dull ibex]

unless another clops team does well

[bold geode]

Idk I straight up used Farigiraf for Imprison set

[surreal echo]

my team doesn't really HATE if TR goes up, so i dont bother

[gentle delta]

I have to make dinner but lemme find the literally only Farig calc in my notes and why I dont care for it

[surreal echo]

im using the one from the 2nd place worlds team

[dull ibex]

chi-yu is pretty funny into farig

farig just dies to dark pulse

good luck imprisoning me you nerd

[surreal echo]

kid named scarf urshifu

[dull ibex]

ah fair I wouldn't lead chi yu into that tbh

oh wait yes I would

[gentle delta]

252+ SpA Life Orb Armarouge Helping Hand Armor Cannon vs. 236 HP / 36 SpD Farigiraf: 269-317 (119.5 - 140.8%) -- guaranteed OHKO

[cyan smelt]

idk i've seen tera grass chi-yu

[surreal echo]

the main problem with this is that every speed value outspeeds smth only after tw is set up

[dull ibex]

wellspring and chi-yu would deal that well

[gentle delta]

thats kinda the point

you're benchmarking for tailwind/trick room/icy wind etc

[surreal echo]

and i dont have tw

i might as well bring it back if i already have wide guard on peli

cause i cant use wide guard and protect consecutively

[gentle delta]

Team is a mess imo, it is deceptively linear and folds to anyone who has seen it enough to know your game plan

[dull ibex]

is sunroom around? without lilikoal

[gentle delta]

Drizzle is also the worst of the weather abilities atm

[surreal echo]

wrong

[dull ibex]

nah I agree with prog tbh

[bold geode]

I'd kinda say no but eh

[gentle delta]

It actually is lol

[surreal echo]

(i'm not biased because i have a politoed pfp)

[bold geode]

Like it's not the worst

[gentle delta]

Rain is the least flexible weather option and offers the smallest reward

[bold geode]

I'd say Sand Stream is still down there

[surreal echo]

def

[gentle delta]

and the fact that drizzle is attached to awkwardly bad mons doesnt help it

Sand is worse weather than rain but rain is better set by a prankster than by drizzle

[dull ibex]

I disagree with sand stream because of ttar

[dull ibex]

for sure

[surreal echo]

id rather not waste a turn when i can set up rain just by a mon existing

[gentle delta]

Rain abilities are very soft to opponent using their own weather

[bold geode]

Yeah but my point was sand stream worse than drizzle

[gentle delta]

moreso than Sun/Snow/Sand

[dull ibex]

sand stream is better then drizzle

but rain teams are better then sand teams

[gentle delta]

in a vacuum you are correct, but in a practical sense on which mons carry them sand stream is better in current meta

[bold geode]

Explain how

[dull ibex]

see prog's explainations

[gentle delta]

TTar is a better mon than either Pelipper or Politoed and it gets a more immediate benefit from its own weather than those two do

Rain is better than sand but Peli and Toed are quite bad

[surreal echo]

eh, i'll continue to disgaree until i get thrashed enough times to change my mind. pelippers matchup into oger and wide guard are pretty valuable tools tbh

[bold geode]

Can't even explain yourself

[gentle delta]

Also with much higher impact weather setters running around like Torkoal and Ninetales, Pelipper tends to be a liability

[dull ibex]

why fumble over my word when someone with more expirence puts it better

[gentle delta]

its not wasting a turn its actively better to use a turn than an ability, specifically for rain

[bold geode]

Now with Progs argument
Prog as my counter argument
Your mom

[surreal echo]

if im building my team around rain though i'd rather have it as an ability

[gentle delta]

You lead Pelipper + whatever, you have rain, woohoo

Your opponent switches to their weather setter, or better yet leads TTar/Torkoal/Hippow then you lose your rain

You lead Tornadus + whatever, and click Rain Dance, them switching cant stop your rain plans

[surreal echo]

i have seen zero ttar or hippow

[bold geode]

Not the Hippowdon

[surreal echo]

and torkoal gets owned by wide guard

[dull ibex]

tbh I think ttar is still good

[surreal echo]

lilligant cannot touch gholdengo

[gentle delta]

nobody said anything about liligant

[dull ibex]

im not entirely sure why ttar isnt used is it mane?

[gentle delta]

or even attacking with Torkoal

[surreal echo]

i mention it since some torkoal teams use it

[gentle delta]

this team needs rain, switching to or leading torkoal turns off your rain

[bold geode]

Then that Torkoal runs Flamethrower and the Goldie shits bricks

[surreal echo]

i dont find myself overly reliant on it tbh

[gentle delta]

You then have to switch twice to get rain back, wasting more turns than clicking rain dance with torn

[gentle delta]

then that makes pelipper even worse for your team

[bold geode]

[surreal echo]

that's in the theoretical case that im even matched up into a team that uses weather

[gentle delta]

you asked for feedback and you're getting some

I don't know a whole lot about rain but most people in here who know me will vouch for my Torkoal expertise

[surreal echo]

which i haven't seen much of

[bold geode]

Which is a lot

[dull ibex]

rain is uber common

[gentle delta]

This kind of rain team gets eaten for breakfast by any other weather team

[bold geode]

You're Uber stupid

[surreal echo]

i know, but im not just going to overhaul my entire strategy so readily

[gentle delta]

its not an overhaul

[surreal echo]

it's worked for me, so until i have experienced otherwise i will keep using drizzle

[gentle delta]

literally all im saying is switch pelipper for rain dance + tailwind on Torn

you cover more ground that way

[bold geode]

I gotta go
I'll be back later

[surreal echo]

personally i prefer to have drizzle

[gentle delta]

Then why ask for feedback

[surreal echo]

that way i can lead pelipper and then immediately switch out while still having the rain up

[cyan smelt]

why do people ask for advice on their team then proceed to ignore said advice when it's given to them

[gentle delta]

If you're just going to argue and then say the person trying to help you is wrong.

[dull ibex]

Ego in most cases

[surreal echo]

i was hoping for things regarding movesets, items, tera types, etc.

[gentle delta]

Thats not how asking for feedback works

[surreal echo]

i simply disagree is all

[gentle delta]

Yeah then dont ask for help

[dull ibex]

I don't think you have to agree with the advice necessarily

[gentle delta]

You asked for help, I offered some with lots of detail explanations

[surreal echo]

its not that deep if i dont use tornadus

[gentle delta]

and you're just like "wrong"

[molten oasis]

What’s up, how we doing?

[surreal echo]

i've had success with weather abilities in the past, so this approach feels most comfortable to me

[cyan smelt]

i barely ever see pelipper

[gentle delta]

Its doodoo

[dull ibex]

Im pretty okay I fixed my mental a bit from earlier

[gentle delta]

yotam tried to convince me to try the same team and I hate it lol

[molten oasis]

That’s good

[surreal echo]

i guess we have different methods of playing then

[molten oasis]

The 2-2-2 stuff?

[surreal echo]

https://pokepast.es/994d14ece6ffca85 this team

[bold geode]

Nvm I tried to leave to do my job and I see this

[gentle delta]

no no the "new" rain team thats going to be meta relevant for a week then die

[bold geode]

Shits slowly escalating

[molten oasis]

Oh that team lol

Generally just feel like you do torn here but whatsver

[dull ibex]

why is it putting back up?

[gentle delta]

its not putting back up its new

but its not good, its just got surprise factor

Its very fragile for the most part

[dull ibex]

I swear ive seen it before

maybe not 🤔

[surreal echo]

it got first at a recent limitless tour

[nocturne holly]

Seen what

[gentle delta]

And this is my point @surreal echo

You could have any point politely said "makes sense but I'll stick with this" and I would have dropped the topic. But for you to literally reply to me when I'm trying to help you with "wrong" is a shitty way to ask for help.

You don't have to take feedback, but its beyond rude to say the people trying to help you are wrong.

[gentle delta]

excellent player playing a bad team

I know him personally

[surreal echo]

i said it as a joke followed up with "(I'm totally not biased because i have a politoed pfp)"

[dull ibex]

I do also think the whole "its played a good player" is a bit of a shallow defense

You could say that about leafeon in gen 8

[cyan smelt]

basculegion is a threat in rain though

[dull ibex]

wolfe got rank 1 it has to be good

[surreal echo]

and i literally said "personally I'll continue to disagree until i get thrashed enough times to change my mind"

[weary steeple]

Actually did or carried it with meta mons?

[dull ibex]

oh he carried it

that's kinda my point

[weary steeple]

Yee

[gentle delta]

Leafeon has niche value but its the kind of niche value that with the right team it can get some things done

Like Dragalge in my video

[heady onyx]

Can we stop with the hot takes and show some more love pls

This is a game for fun after all

[weary steeple]

Personally I’m going to use a milotic because I got a shiny one and even if it’s not meta, it’s a decent one

[dull ibex]

or Regieleki (copium)

[gentle delta]

what hot takes?

[surreal echo]

i dont see any hot takes

[cyan smelt]

milotic is good imo

[molten oasis]

Well back to work, peace

[dull ibex]

idk im genuinely trying to help

[weary steeple]

I legit do not know

[surreal echo]

i mean the torn advice makes sense, i personally just don't want to use it because i prefer auto weather and have gotten results with auto weather in the past

[heady onyx]

All the hot takes going around for the past 30 minutes

[weary steeple]

I’ve got one built, just no team yet

[surreal echo]

i saw no hot takes dude

[gentle delta]

I think you misunderstand the use of the term hot take

[dull ibex]

do you mean hostility?

[heady onyx]

Nah I'm fine on the understanding

[gentle delta]

froggy asked for feedback, I provided feedback and my opinion on the team

no hot takes there even if the convo got heated

[dull ibex]

I don't think so nothing said is a hot take

[heady onyx]

feedback, opinions, hot takes

[surreal echo]

and i disagreed. boom. end of story

[dull ibex]

also tbh this chat doesnt need to be positive constantly

[heady onyx]

label it all you want

[surreal echo]

so we can't state our opinions now?

[weary steeple]

Do I need to call the mods for y’all to drop this topic?

[karmic temple]

lol ?

[heady onyx]

I come here and I see pointless arguing going in circles

[dull ibex]

this is not a proper time to call mods that would be very silly

[gentle delta]

There;s nothing a mod needs to get involved for?

[weary steeple]

Idk I can’t read the room well. It just seems like there’s hostility

[surreal echo]

i dont understand what problem a mod is supposed to solve

[weary steeple]

My bad!

[gentle delta]

"now kith"

[dull ibex]

I think this is a little heated ill be honest

[heady onyx]

not the only one to see this

[dull ibex]

but nothing extreme

[weary steeple]

Like two people arguing abojt a topic with neither dropping. I haven’t seen the context

[cyan smelt]

yeah idk what teammates milotic likes but i know it likes dragon tera

[gentle delta]

if you wanna be funny do something with gravity for max hypnosis bm

[dull ibex]

its about verbage and being respectful

[cyan smelt]

that's cheese

[gentle delta]

so is Milotic

[bold geode]

Settle down Mike Tyson

[dull ibex]

Monke Tyson

[cyan smelt]

same thing can be accomplished with sableye and iron valiant

[surreal echo]

i didnt see any arguing on either side tbh, and we have used the word "rain" for at least fifty messages

[dull ibex]

Discussion and argument are different things 🙂

[cyan smelt]

or espathra and sandy shocks

[surreal echo]

but iron valiant gets violated by flutter mane and milotic doesnt

[dull ibex]

regieleki is gonna be meta JUST YOU WAIT! /j

[cyan smelt]

milotic gets shredded by iron hands

[surreal echo]

well iron hands is also slower

[bold geode]

Ok I might be changing server name

[dull ibex]

you are welcome

[surreal echo]

so if you get the gravity off you could probs hypnosis it before it wild charges

[nocturne holly]

that’s a weird argument tbh
A lot of things get shredded by each other, doesn’t make them less viable

Ex. Landot eats up iron hands

doesn’t make hands shit

[surreal echo]

to be fair i made the argument too

but iron val gets shredded by more things

[heady onyx]

Milo could put Hands to sleep or set up Coil

[cyan smelt]

what's it doing to hands in terms of damage

[surreal echo]

"its not always about the damage, spiderman"

what's a sableye doing to anything in terms of damage

[heady onyx]

Though it often solves the game

[gentle delta]

Not really?

[heady onyx]

Sableye lol, talk about something nobody's using

[surreal echo]

im giving it as an example because it was more usable in gen 8

[cyan smelt]

i love that creepy little gremlin

[heady onyx]

Why not Grimmsnrl

or something that is relevant rn

[nocturne holly]

bro

[surreal echo]

idk

and grimmsnarl is not very relevant either

[heady onyx]

Grimm is fine not doing damage most games right

Grimm is more relevant than Sableye

[surreal echo]

i mean 120 base atk spriti break does some damage

difference is sableye generally runs no attacking moves

aside from the occasional foul play

[heady onyx]

You'd run Foul Play from usage I see from gen 8

[cyan smelt]

foul play is not relevant atm

[heady onyx]

so it's comparable to Grimm in that regard

[surreal echo]

okay sure

anyways

[heady onyx]

Still, damage solves most games

So Hands punching Milo is true

[surreal echo]

the point is that milotic doesnt necessarily need damage to help its matchup against iron hands

[heady onyx]

but Hands punches about anything 1 v 1 xD

[surreal echo]

kid named amoonguss

[heady onyx]

I don't think it's fair game to say something loses to Hands 1 v 1

[cyan smelt]

i find it funny how charizard was everywhere in gen 8 but now it's nowhere

[surreal echo]

i mean its not even legal

[cyan smelt]

yes it is

[dull ibex]

yes it is

[surreal echo]

oh wait

[cyan smelt]

it's just not good

[surreal echo]

i forgot rillaboom is legal so of course it is

[dull ibex]

its terrible in gen 9 because dmax is gone

[surreal echo]

gamefreak's golden child didn't get another super mega ultra new form

[cyan smelt]

wasn't it popular before dmax though

[surreal echo]

surprising

[dull ibex]

no not really

maybe mega charizard with droughT?

thats a strong maybe

[surreal echo]

yeah char y with drought was good

and then primal groudon got added

[dull ibex]

groudon my beloved

im excited to play with koraidon so sun can reign supreme agian

[nocturne holly]

Yea charizard y was really popular

[surreal echo]

bro literally has better drought

[nocturne holly]

Im interested in miraidon

[dapper crag]

Move: Electro Drift

Damage is multiplied by 1.3333 if this move is super effective against the target.

Type

Electric

Category

Special

Power

100

Accuracy

100

PP (max)

5 (8)

Move Flags

​

Mirror

Copied by Mirror Move.

Contact

Makes contact.

SableyeBot version 4.24.3

[dull ibex]

I want to play with restricteds in general now that I dont suck ass

[nocturne holly]

Fr

[surreal echo]

that's a contact move!?

it's not even physical

[bold geode]

It runs into the Pokemon

[surreal echo]

thats fair ig

[weary steeple]

Yeah I know milotic gets wrecked by iron hands lol

I would need to team build around that when I stop being lazy

[weary steeple]

Yee Yee. I didn’t read the room

Y’all do y’all

I just see bulky water type and I want to use it

[surreal echo]

it's fine! didn't appreciate being called rude but it was a misunderstanding and we all dropped it.

[cyan smelt]

well my teambuilding skills aren't good yet so i'm gonna abandon the current team i've built because it just doesn't work

[gentle delta]

send it, lets see what we can do

[cyan smelt]

no it's really bad, i wanted to see if i could make wp hisuian avalugg work but it really is a bad pokemon

[bold geode]

Oh

I come back to Hisuian Avalugg wtf

[gentle delta]

oh yeah

lugg is awful if tera couldnt save it nothing can

[bold geode]

Yeah it's typing is shit

[cyan smelt]

idk why i have a thing for trying to make shit pokemon work, spiritomb, hisuian avalugg, kleavor

[bold geode]

Kleavor not too bad

[gentle delta]

two of those can be made to work, the other one is avalugg

[bold geode]

At the beginning of Reg D, Kleavor didn't look too shabby

[gentle delta]

Its just the hazards arent as valuable in vgc

Glimm gets an excetion because status is usually good, and its passive hazards from her ability

[molten oasis]

I have the same urges

I wanted to play with meow a bit but the figured out pretty quick it sucked

[cyan smelt]

i still want to use skeledirge but it'll get owned by flutter, chi-yu, chien-pao, lando, urshifu

[molten oasis]

Yea dirge kinda sucks

[weary steeple]

I want to use Gardevoir, Lopunny, Tsreena, and Slaking

/joke

[molten oasis]

Slaking is actually somewhat usable with weezing

The rest aren’t really good

[gentle delta]

Tsareena and Gardevoir are both good mons

[weary steeple]

Yeah I know lol

[molten oasis]

They are???

[gentle delta]

Tsareena was literally tier 1 in Gen 8

[molten oasis]

Oh ig tsareena has anti prio

[weary steeple]

Gardevoir just idk. What can she do that fluttermane can’t?

[gentle delta]

Used in GS Cup a ton

Yeah Gard is good just now right now

[molten oasis]

I’m mostly referring to like, this reg

[gentle delta]

Then say that

[molten oasis]

Ik tsareena and garde were good in reg a

[weary steeple]

Like like too fast for trick toon, too slow for sweeping

[gentle delta]

Tsareena will be good again come Kyogre

[weary steeple]

And outspeeding most scarf moms

[molten oasis]

Why is that?

[weary steeple]

Wasn’t that the base game dex and no leggies and paradox?

[gentle delta]

Its a good kyogre partner

[molten oasis]

Yep

Oh I see

[weary steeple]

Yeah, but now that the sandbox has expanded, Gardie is just outclassed

[molten oasis]

Anti prio would be nice for kyogre

[dapper crag]

Tsareena's moveset:

Physical Moves

Acrobatics, Bounce, Bullet Seed, Covet, Double Slap, Endeavor, Facade, Feint, Flail, Fling, Frustration, Giga Impact, Grassy Glide, High Jump Kick, Knock Off, Low Kick, Low Sweep, Mega Kick, Payback, Play Rough, Power Whip, Punishment, Rapid Spin, Razor Leaf, Return, Seed Bomb, Solar Blade, Stomp, Take Down, Trailblaze, Triple Axel, Trop Kick, U-turn, Zen Headbutt

Special Moves

Dazzling Gleam, Draining Kiss, Energy Ball, Giga Drain, Grass Knot, Hidden Power, Hyper Beam, Leaf Storm, Magical Leaf, Round, Snore, Solar Beam, Swift, Tera Blast

Status Moves

Acupressure, Aromatherapy, Aromatic Mist, Attract, Captivate, Charm, Confide, Double Team, Endure, Grass Whistle, Grassy Terrain, Helping Hand, Laser Focus, Light Screen, Nature Power, Play Nice, Protect, Reflect, Rest, Safeguard, Sleep Talk, Splash, Substitute, Sunny Day, Swagger, Sweet Scent, Synthesis, Taunt, Teeter Dance, Toxic, Worry Seed

Notes

A move displayed with Bold text benefits from Same-Type Attack Bonus when used by Tsareena.

SableyeBot version 4.24.3

[weary steeple]

Like I can’t think of a role that would work for gard. If you want dummy thicc physic fairy, hatterene is right there with that delicious 103 SpD

And 95 Def

[molten oasis]

Yea it’s just outclassed

In a lower power it be better for sure

[weary steeple]

Bring back Mega Gardevoir

Or give it another ability.

[molten oasis]

No, let’s not bring megas back

I’ll pass on fighting primal kyogre

[dull ibex]

I wouldn't mind megas back

I would prefer Tera being the permanent gimmick though

[weary steeple]

I would like it if the mega Pokémon who needed it got something

Like poor Beedrill

[dull ibex]

Most of the megas were good pokemon tbh

[weary steeple]

Idk, never used it

I just like black dress Gardevoir and it’s pretty

[dull ibex]

The problem with mega is it wasn't a give bad mons use

It was alot of fan favorites and some odd ones

Tera has alot of skill expression I love it alot

[molten oasis]

But the mega hoenn legend trio is fucking nuts

[dawn crown]

Can I use as many vitamins on any stat That I wnat?

[dull ibex]

Mega xerneas when

[dull ibex]

Up to 26

[dawn crown]

its 10 per right?

[nocturne holly]

Why

[molten oasis]

It’s just nice

[nocturne holly]

the only good ones iirc were Mawile, charizard y, and kangiskan

[nocturne holly]

isn’t it nice for everything then

[molten oasis]

Well yea, it also resists electric which kyogre doesn’t

Also helps kill opposing water mons

[weary steeple]

If we get a proper gen 6 remake I stg

But yeah, we NEED mega Ledian

Literally just give it an extra 200 base stats lol

but only add it to its special defense stat

[dull ibex]

and the hoenn boxarts

And garchomp and mew two

[nocturne holly]

oh yeah

[bold geode]

Guess what

[dull ibex]

What

[bold geode]

Winton

[dull ibex]

Monke....

[bold geode]

Winton

[dull ibex]

Please stop pinging me for jokes

[bold geode]

breeeeath

Winton

Winton is holy

[dull ibex]

I don't want to have to mute notifications

[bold geode]

We praise Winton in this house

Winton

Oh I leveled up lmao

[nocturne holly]

Why are you called wonton

What the fuck

[thick grail]

is toxicroak viable in rain teams

[chrome knot]

Greetings !!

[bold geode]

Winton

[bold geode]

Winton

[nocturne holly]

no monke please don’t do this

I’m fucking losing my sanity

[bold geode]

deep breath

Winton

[nocturne holly]

😭

[bold geode]

Don't question my God ok

[bold geode]

It's ok, that's not Winton

[bold geode]

Why would you shoot Monkey anyways though

[orchid falcon]

cuz fun

[bold geode]

Cruel bastard

[orchid falcon]

we need no more monke in the discord

[bold geode]

We honestly do

Praise Winton

[orchid falcon]

never

i killed winton

[heady onyx]

Don't forget Salamence/Gengar !

[marble coral]

Hello everyone

[bold geode]

You can never kill Winton

[orchid falcon]

oh ye?

[bold geode]

Winton

[orchid falcon]

explain this

[bold geode]

He rose from the dead

Winton is holy

[orchid falcon]

please get your Winton out of chat

we have enough monke in competetive

[bold geode]

You question my God?

I love Winton

[mighty stump]

I like how you just completely ignored some guy asking a question Monke

[deep sparrow]

Finally starting to play cart ladder heavier. Currently 12-3. Happy with it considering it’s my first actual attempt Lmao

[dapper crag]

Keep it up !

What team are ya using ?

[deep sparrow]

https://pokepast.es/71fa5d4a2f64c261

[marble coral]

nooooo

[deep sparrow]

@dapper crag

[dapper crag]

That's a nice team, you made it all on your own ?

[fluid wind]

https://pokepast.es/dae806b751a9cccd indigo disk vgc team

[gentle delta]

wtf is with all the gorillas what did I miss

[fluid wind]

lol

[gentle delta]

Raging Bolt may fit the Raikou slot way better

[deep sparrow]

No no no. Lol. I don’t have that much experience. It’s one I found online, I’ve been using and trying to make small tweaks. Edit: Didn’t find it online, it’s the rental @dull ibex posted. My bad

[gentle delta]

its getting an electric sucker punch

[fluid wind]

im just waiting to see what it has before i might change it lol

[gentle delta]

Extremespeed also doesnt really do a lot for it since you'd want to be on a modest nature

[fluid wind]

yea imagibe tera fairy for it or smth

[mighty stump]

Electric Dragon is gonna be great

[gentle delta]

insane defensive typing

[mighty stump]

Urshifu stonks down

as if, itll never go down silly

Unseen Fist is omegabusted

[gentle delta]

yeah but Thunder Clap is a sick move to rough up shifu

[mighty stump]

Excited

[gentle delta]

It ohkos most wet shifus

[mighty stump]

Im ready to pull up with my fatshifu

[gentle delta]

Fish

[fluid wind]

also how yall think about exta and tyran

[gentle delta]

hot

[mighty stump]

Fish

[gentle delta]

Drill is bae

[mighty stump]

Exca is back?

Neat

[gentle delta]

Almost everything is, way more than SwSh

[mighty stump]

Can’t wait for

80% of it

to not be used

[bold geode]

Winton

[gentle delta]

most of the stuff thats missing is not irrelevant so its kinda interesting at the same time

Like we're not getting Togekiss for example

[mighty stump]

Good

[fluid wind]

nice dog pfp

[bold geode]

Also hi Tofu

[mighty stump]

My number 1 most hated pokemon

[bold geode]

That's my Lord Winton

[mighty stump]

Monke if you ever ping me to say Winton im instantly blocking you do not test me

[bold geode]

Wi-

What other words start with Wi lmao

[marble coral]

i need the monke mute button fr

[mighty stump]

1-3

Pick

[rustic mountain]

power creep moment

[gentle delta]

Report user profile do it

You wont

[mighty stump]

Bet

[bold geode]

Prog I stg

[rustic mountain]

[bold geode]

Don't report me over Winton

[gentle delta]

Wtf is winton

[bold geode]

Winton

[lofty tartan]

👀

[charred saddle]

their name

[dapper crag]

Well that's good, using rentals is how I got started in Doubles too

[bold geode]

I'm reporting you too bitch

[mighty stump]

Oh no

Anyways

[charred saddle]

[bold geode]

Lmao

Anyways Prog that's Winton

[gentle delta]

But what is it really

[rustic mountain]

winton

[mighty stump]

Bepsi

[deep sparrow]

I just need more experience before I go slapping teams together. Still trying to figure out what works and what doesn’t. Lol

[rustic mountain]

based

[dapper crag]

good mindset

different stuff works for different players too

[bold geode]

Winton drinking Bepsi
WRITE THAT DOWN WRITE THAT DOWN

[dapper crag]

like Trick Room is not easy for new players vs balance/agressive teams

[bold geode]

Tofu I want an emote/pfp that's Rillaboom as Winton

[charred saddle]

[bold geode]

Hey I've been enlightened
By Winton

[deep sparrow]

I’ve been watching some videos on it. I’ve been going against a lot of TR teams. I’ve played in a couple of limitless tourneys (mostly for fun, and to see how it is lmao)

[dapper crag]

nice

[rustic mountain]

ur doin the main thing that helps which is experience

[dapper crag]

I'm considering joining some tourneys too outside of those in showdown chat

[rustic mountain]

can gauge lines/gameplans once u know wat they are likely to lead and wat those mons do

[cyan smelt]

i think urshifu is gonna become toast once miraidon is legal

[rustic mountain]

[deep sparrow]

I mean I played in a small one with only 12 people, and managed to get 2nd. But I’m just a competitive person, so I like getting better at things I’m bad at 😂

[rustic mountain]

vgc isnt a vacuum. urshifu is too good to be phased out. ppl thought the same w/ ogerpon

[charred saddle]

imagining choice scarfed miraidon outspeeding ursh will be fun

[rustic mountain]

building blocks dude, u got a good mindset ull keep improving

[heady onyx]

urshifu becoming obsolete is why not everyone works on the balance team lol

they made sure it would punch holes in the meta disregarding the format he he

[vague whale]

@dapper crag that taunt tech you suggested helps to deal with the indeedee armorouge combo a bit better

[rustic mountain]

not nerfing unseen fist after gen 8 was a mistake

[charred saddle]

at least reduce the damage if it protects

[rustic mountain]

nah exactly thats wat i mean

[vague whale]

The prankster taunt gets snuffed out

[dapper crag]

Taunt is criminally underrated

[rustic mountain]

fully breaking through protect is insane

[dapper crag]

But it's such a good move to have

[charred saddle]

outspeeding in rain with scarf, and fixed crit and no protect to help

[rustic mountain]

yea it makes certain board states very difficult to reposition

[dapper crag]

There's always Amoonguss to make sure if doesn't get too out of bounds

[vague whale]

I'm ironically thinking about using the grookey evo

[dapper crag]

I can't play VGC without Amoonguss/Brute Bonnet right now

[rustic mountain]

rillas great

[charred saddle]

im not talking about how it cant be countered. its just dumb pressure

like urshifu puts up so much pressure and its annoying

[rustic mountain]

yep

[dapper crag]

Yeah it is, Amoonguss feels good for this reason lol

[vague whale]

Rillaboom seems like he'd fill grimmsnarls slot well considering his move pool

[dapper crag]

I hate the shroom but it's just checking Urshifu so nice

[rustic mountain]

amoongus is broken for different reasons haha

[charred saddle]

waterpon for urshifu also nice haha

[rustic mountain]

love waterpon

been using it on the last cppl teams ive played

[charred saddle]

especially if its scarfed, once its locked its so funny to spam follow me

[rustic mountain]

i pinned my opponent by jus koing around it the other day. like u wanna have an end game of locked ss vs me? sure

[dapper crag]

ha ha

[cyan smelt]

that's why you u-turn outta there

[charred saddle]

yeah u turn still does a shit ton of damage

[heady onyx]

easier said then done xD

[rustic mountain]

better players wouldve. they were fooled by the pressure they exerted onto the other slot and i jus used it against them

[cyan smelt]

i think some people just like spamming powerful funny moves like surging strikes and make it rain

[rustic mountain]

yea

[heady onyx]

powerful funny moves

that's a way to put it lol

[rustic mountain]

jus click buttons

[cyan smelt]

i'm one of them, it's so much fun just clicking dragon energy

[rustic mountain]

i mean hey if it works

[charred saddle]

regidrago HH dragon energy doodoo

[cyan smelt]

it works if they don't have prio or aren't faster

[rustic mountain]

plenty of good players using ho style like that

[charred saddle]

itll be cool like to see if you predict the prio move and just do dragon energy, switch in farigiraf

but then flutter is still annoying

[rustic mountain]

yea generally why those teams have gholdengo

[cyan smelt]

flutter is super annoying but it's still fun to kill its teammates

[rustic mountain]

bait the fairy tera and go gholdengo or ko the flutter and then let drago go crazy

[cyan smelt]

if they see gholdengo they don't usually lead with flutter

[charred saddle]

or have ur own flutter mirror and imprison fairy moves /j

its just dumb

dont mind that joke

[rustic mountain]

yea not saying its easy to execute but those kinds of teams have been around since reg d. a player can figure out the nuances if they have experience w/ the team

[cyan smelt]

ogerpon can usually ko flutter too so you can bring that if they're gonna bring flutter

[rustic mountain]

yep, gholdengo is jus a hard check in tw to most flutter. the teams usually have more options to deal w/ it too like harc

and like u mentioned ogerpon if they have it

[cyan smelt]

harc is more annoying than lando imo

[rustic mountain]

it can be for sure

def didnt see it as having as much success as it has

[cyan smelt]

neither, but it's like the only hisui mon that's viable atm

[charred saddle]

and the mon to win every regionals

[rustic mountain]

yea

ursaluna to a degree but not even close to the same level of viability/consistency

[cyan smelt]

ursaluna needs tr

[charred saddle]

yea i think its because its set for TR.

and normal ground weaknesses to a lot of common typings feel bad

nvm rock fire is also kinda shit typing

[cyan smelt]

at least intim + rock/fire is good for shutting down ogerpon

[charred saddle]

good stab on flare blitz and rock slides tho

[rustic mountain]

i think its moreso its inability to consistently capitalize on tr turns. ghost types for facade, rillas terrain and general grass type defensive pivots for hh and eq

[charred saddle]

oh and intim right

[cyan smelt]

and it's good into armadeedee and torn too

[rustic mountain]

which is why bloodmoon has been wat ppl opt for

takes the immunity issue out the window

[charred saddle]

bloodmoon is insane tho

[rustic mountain]

its very strong

[charred saddle]

why opting for electric tera?

[rustic mountain]

this gta b singles right

[cyan smelt]

yeah, hdb is non-existent in vgc

[rustic mountain]

im aware

[charred saddle]

grass tera i think better?

for rock and water cover

[rustic mountain]

idk singles so i cant help w/ that

[charred saddle]

idk about it too just curious on the electric tera pick

[rustic mountain]

only 1 weakness

otherwise idk lol

[charred saddle]

might be then

[heady onyx]

it's also not that bad, it picked up really well last month on Harc

Is it for Singles or Doubles ?

[mighty stump]

Its definitely not a good defensive typing overall, just in the current metagame it resists exactly what it needs to well enough

Lol

[dull ibex]

are we talking about harc?

[mighty stump]

Go tera normal and Imprison/Protect/Two Fairy Move and wall all other flutters

[dull ibex]

okay

[deep sparrow]

So question, how do you go about making changes to a team once your comfortable with it? Like what are you looking for to change? Is it mostly evs, actual mons, or to throw off your opp?

[mighty stump]

Depends

Its a bunch of things

Such as

• Have you accounted for the matchups within the metagame and have comfortable answers to said matchups?
• If not, what are your considerations? Are there possible alterations in your moveset/EVs that you can consider to better smooth out those matchups?
• If you’re going from generalist EVs, you can also try and observe what KOs your trying to take/avoid and check in the calculator if that is a realistic situation.
• “Throwing off your opponents” is a noobtrap in the sense 99% of people don’t know how to do it right and start revolving their team around a gimmick which sacrifices other key matchups.

And you can then see how far you can climb within the ladder/rank as there are different performance levels the higher up you go.

You’ll realise whether or not your gameplans are actually consistent into better players or it was only functional against people who don’t know what they’re doing

The iterations can also be switching out Pokemon from your original team step-wise, while keeping track of your changes otherwise it can be confusing to figure out which changes were relevant

[dawn crown]

what tera should I use on a landorous without tera blast

[mighty stump]

I’ve only ever seen Water.

[dawn crown]

ok

and what should i use for tornadous

[mighty stump]

Ghost/Resist if youre Covert Cloak like Steel

[deep sparrow]

Thank you @mighty stump that makes sense.

[gentle crag]

kicksgg has given 1 Gen Rep to woodtofu

[mighty stump]

Rare occassion of offensive ones running Tera Fly

[mighty stump]

You can also start using PASRS but you have to make a new document everytime you make any sort of change to the team

Or trying to write down your thoughts like some people do in #rental_teams to test your own understanding of the team

I blog my teams as a personal record and so people can also view my process

and perhaps find it helpful

Which is why I encourage everyone to write notes in #rental_teams

[dull ibex]

harc has won every regionals so far?

[deep sparrow]

I’ve read several of your blogs. Def good insight and info. I’ve been using @dull ibex ‘s rental. And I’m enjoying it and seeing decent success with it. Trying to learn how to best play against TR. It’s getting pretty popular in my match ups

[dull ibex]

Roaring 20s?

[deep sparrow]

Yes.

[dull ibex]

based

[mighty stump]

At a non-regional level Psyspam players tend to be linear so you can actually pre-theorise a gameplan to a high degree of efficacy

Well, non-tournament level

Soon enough in most scenarios you can autopilot it

Just assume standard sets like LO Armarouge, and pretend to play a match on paper

[dull ibex]

https://play.pokemonshowdown.com/battle-gen9vgc2023regulationebo3-1993918131 anyone wanna watch and give opinions on my playing?

oh.

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2023regulationebo3-1993916611

[charred saddle]

ends in one round

[dull ibex]

lmao

https://play.pokemonshowdown.com/battle-gen9vgc2023regulationebo3-1993918670-x0rigxjv4m13r36m3dbdl7k33gk771rpw

[charred saddle]

btw i wanna ask question, why not lead chienpao Harc/ rilla

hits a lot of SE

and pretty much outspeeding everyone

[dull ibex]

rain

[charred saddle]

whats wrong with rain? like u wanna utilize it more with ursh?

[dull ibex]

it weakens flare blitz

[deep sparrow]

I gotcha. Thanks again. The insight really helps us 1150elos 😂

[gentle crag]

kicksgg has given 1 Gen Rep to woodtofu

[charred saddle]

u turn bypasses shadow tag?

[dull ibex]

yep

[charred saddle]

ooh interesting

[dull ibex]

today is a red is bad at vgc day

[charred saddle]

why

[deep sparrow]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2023regulatione-1993949616

Feel free to critique anything I missed. I take criticism well.

[cyan smelt]

not much you could've done about those heat wave misses

[mellow barn]

[cyan smelt]

does your rilla have high horsepower?

could've maybe used that on gholdengo

did you use your tera at all? some rillas have fire tera

that could've helped against make it rain

oh flutter

nvm

[mellow barn]

Time to plan a singles team, suggestions on mons?

[cyan smelt]

heard garganacl is good for that i think

[mellow barn]

True

[dull ibex]

Arcanine-Hisui @ Choice Band
Ability: Intimidate
Level: 50
Tera Type: Normal
EVs: 68 HP / 252 Atk / 4 Def / 4 SpD / 180 Spe
Adamant Nature

• Flare Blitz
• Head Smash
• Rock Slide
• Extreme Speed

new spread

[deep sparrow]

I’ll post some losses to. Learn more that way

[mighty stump]

in case anyone is wondering its to outspeed Max Spe Adamant Dragonite

[dull ibex]

tbh I didn't know

I was about to look into it

btw I know its super vanilla but

im doing shifu, harc, rilla, chien, torn

I decided to go with ghold over flutter though

ghold is super good rn and it gives a super hyper offensive orianted team a semi slower mode with set up

[mighty stump]

vanilla indeed

might as well be plain milk

kekeke

[dull ibex]

hey ghold with that 5 is less common

[mighty stump]

…shifu harc rillaboom

._.

ur joking

[dull ibex]

its normally mane no?

I meant less common then mane

I still don't like torn but so far im pretty okay with this team

bleakwind might be the worst buff in history

i despise this move

[elder bridge]

Tornadus with bleak wind does way too much damage for a support Mon

[mellow barn]

https://pokepast.es/bfd1139c85cd01b1
So was planning on singles team and though of a sun team.
Gliscor, get that toxic heal and fling that orb to poison someone. Swords Dance for damage Acrobatics to deal damage
Flutter Mane just fast Special sweeper. Grabbing those that are still alive
Torkoal is sun set upper and support. Yawn and Rocks to disrupt opponent
Brute Bonnet a bulky second sun setter and attacker.
Urshifu is scout and physical sweeper
Iron Hands is just good

[dull ibex]

Tbf pokemon isn't like most rpgs

Support mons can pack a punch

Don't rilla and hands count as support?

[mighty stump]

Theyre just things that do a lot of things

Tornadus has a supportive set, doesnt mean it cant do damage

Rilla and Hands has Fake Out pressure

Bundle has speed control

[mighty stump]

You’re unlikely to find any singles support for BSS here

Since Doubles (VGC) tends to be the main focus for in-game competitive

I can’t help you, sorry

[mellow barn]

Probably, and no worries. Just wanted to show my cooking

[dull ibex]

Gholdengo has been super fun

[heady onyx]

Having support moves doesn't lock into you being a pure support I think

[dull ibex]

Nothing really locks anything into pure support

[heady onyx]

something with only support moves wouldn't be putting much offensive pressure don't you think ?

like a niche sableye lol

[crimson cargo]

yo is this only scarle & violet trading

[dull ibex]

Huh? Then what is the point of the other message?

[crimson cargo]

no sword and shield?

[dull ibex]

Wrong channel

[crimson cargo]

my bad

[dull ibex]

Good luck 🫡

[heady onyx]

was reading the messages and I saw the support stuff being talked about

[cyan smelt]

#trading_swsh

[dull ibex]

Ty kalos

[heady onyx]

just dropping my 2 cents, I don't think having support moves makes you a support, I hate labels in Pokemon

[dull ibex]

I find the labels in pokemon to be pretty intuitive

[cyan smelt]

Amoonguss is support though, it offers very little offensive pressure by itself

[dull ibex]

Support doesn't have to mean passive either tbf

Some mons want to be for sure

[heady onyx]

Until you get deleted by a Leaf Storm out of nowhere smh

[cyan smelt]

Clefairy and indeedee are support

[dull ibex]

So are torn and incin

[heady onyx]

that is why I hate labels

they don't fit the bill for many Mons, they can so much more than just that imo

[dull ibex]

Why?

[heady onyx]

X is this and Y is that

no middle ground, no nuances

[dull ibex]

First of all no that isn't true

Labels give a general idea of what something wants to do

It's not hard and fast rule

[heady onyx]

thats why i hate them

counter intuitive, Mons can do many things, moveset is customizable

[dull ibex]

I just explained labels are nuanced

Incin normally is support, It wants to pivot in and out and support the team with damage mitigation

But it doesn't need to be as passive as clefairy

Its a support mon that can run offensive sets

Offensive support is a term too

[heady onyx]

yeah see the label is not nuanced if you have to specify these right

[dull ibex]

No?

[heady onyx]

thats why I hate them

[dull ibex]

So offensive mon isn't a nuanced label

Because I specify what my kit does?

[heady onyx]

I read the vgcguide and once I played some games, things just made more sense without labels/archetypes

did me no good

[dull ibex]

I think people in here miss the importance of labels in understanding a team

[heady onyx]

I don't miss it rn

I'm better off playing games without that in mind

[dull ibex]

But you likely didn't disregard labels all together

[heady onyx]

just stopped caring and I'm making more progress

[dull ibex]

If I show someone especially a new player a team

That label or archetype will help them understand my goal with the team

Instead of typing out, it sets tailwind and sweeps

I can tell someone this is hyper offense

Also this whole debate started with me explaining nuanced support mons lmao

And that unlike other games support mons are allowed to be damage dealers too

Like torn

[heady onyx]

that is why I hate the label, supports can do damage in other games I play

torn has swept some Mons I face

[dull ibex]

But if the mon primarily runs supportive moves what do you call it?

[heady onyx]

cause they ignore it and it just go brrrr

I don't call it anything

I just use it and pick best move every turn

[dull ibex]

So how do you convey that when talking to others about a team

[heady onyx]

the way CybertronVGC does

he goes into nuances instead of just giving roles/archetype

[dull ibex]

Cybertron uses labels and archetype

[heady onyx]

more nuances imo

[dull ibex]

But he still uses them

[heady onyx]

meh

[dull ibex]

It's not the labels fault its the person explaining using no nuance

I can kinda get for example tofu not liking specific labels like, 5-1 and 4-2, but to throw out the concept of using archetype labels is a little wild

[heady onyx]

tofu ?

[gloomy crescent]

Wai is comp so hard right now

[heady onyx]

wdym

[gloomy crescent]

My pokemon always faint

[heady onyx]

try another team maybe

[gloomy crescent]

My heatran got oh ko

[heady onyx]

things go fast in doubles that's true

[gloomy crescent]

There is a flarwon with psychic thing

I just killed it

Yet My dragapult died from intel

Mot gonna lie they like their galarian starters

I lost

[heady onyx]

Are you playing Singles ?

[gloomy crescent]

Doubles

[heady onyx]

what's your team ?

[gloomy crescent]

I'm going to use a rental

[heady onyx]

careful which one you pick here, a lot are not that good lol

[heady onyx]

There's some potential on that team

You should give an item to Sinitcha and Urshifu just sayin'

that might help

[gloomy crescent]

I'm just gonna use reds

[heady onyx]

Your team looks fine tbh, just put items on Mons without one

That would help you a ton I'm sure

[gloomy crescent]

Shoot they are using armadeedee

[heady onyx]

you have Heatran, Heatran is good into these two

[gloomy crescent]

Luckly I have fluttermane

[gloomy crescent]

I'm using a rental

They're urshifu has taken some damage

I almost oh ko their arma

[visual loom]

Can't wait to get nso so I can stay pokeball for the rest of my life with my armarouge team

[heady onyx]

nso ?

[gloomy crescent]

I'm in pokeball 😢

[heady onyx]

You'll make it Master Ball one day

It's not too too hard, I did it with my team

[gloomy crescent]

The arma is down

It's a 2v2

Sneaker?

Sneasler?

Whats sneasler gonna do

Well flutter is dead

[visual loom]

Nintendo switch online

[charred saddle]

u need nso to play online?

[gloomy crescent]

My pons almost ded

[charred saddle]

or need NSO to get rentals

[visual loom]

Yeah @charred saddle lmao

[gloomy crescent]

@charred saddle yes bubu

[visual loom]

No you need nso to play battle stadium

[gloomy crescent]

This fucking ogerpon thing you say to me sucks

[charred saddle]

since u can go online in pokeportals without NSO just to get the events

[gloomy crescent]

Against armadeedee

And I fucking deranked

[visual loom]

Yeah but stuff like trading online Tera raids and battle stadium needs nso

[charred saddle]

hmm interesting. kinda bad haha

[gloomy crescent]

Why is pokeball rank so hard

[charred saddle]

before u improve. know ur mistakes

learn from it, dont play mindlessly

[gloomy crescent]

This snorlax is chunky

I've had enough with pokeball tier

[heady onyx]

Try Amoonguss

It won me so many games

[gloomy crescent]

I need a new team

Right I'm hopping on violet with my bf now

[heady onyx]

I climbed from beginner to master ball with Amoonguss - Heatran - Urshifu (Water) - Flutter Mane - Iron Hands - Landorus (Therian)

[cyan smelt]

man i love watching 1000 ranked games, it's chaos

[deep sparrow]

Try Roarin 20’s it’s @dull ibex ‘s. It’s pretty simple but it’s also effective. It’s been doing well for me.

[gloomy crescent]

That's the one I've been using 💀

[deep sparrow]

Ahhhh. Sorry to hear that. It’s been doing pretty good for me tbh. 12w-3l with it so far. Does well on showdown too.

Just gotta keep pushing through it. Pokeball is weird like that, you’ll see random throw together teams that just work sometimes. But you’ll also have the same issue of a plateau in each rank. Just gotta find what works for you, and in game.

[heady onyx]

Telling you Amoonguss does miracles vs anything

It keeps the bullshit humble

[gloomy crescent]

Well I'm fucking poor now

Can someone help me make a new team

With evs and all I don't know what pokemon I should use

[heady onyx]

Keep Urshifu Heatran Iron Hands

[gloomy crescent]

Heatran is sucky

[heady onyx]

how ? it's been farming so many players for me

[gloomy crescent]

Um for you 💀

[deep sparrow]

Heatran is solid. How are you using it?

[gloomy crescent]

I've got leftys

[heady onyx]

If they don't resist Steel/Fire much, I just bring in the back and remove whatever it doesn't like

Then it sits on the field forever and picks up whatever

[heady onyx]

This is a perfect Heatran

[gentle delta]

Meh

I like the 252hp/236spatt/20spdef builds myself

Chunky fire toad

[heady onyx]

that one is about similar to this

max hp, good sp.a with some bulk

[deep sparrow]

@gloomy crescent but what is heatran dying to most? Like what situation?

[gloomy crescent]

Flareon psychic

@rain cedar as you can see

@deep sparrow what should I do

[heady onyx]

Your Heatran is fine

Keep Urshifu-Water + Iron Hands

[rain cedar]

I already told you that Iron Hands is mostly for Raids not for compe

[heady onyx]

get a Flutter Mane and a Landorus if you can

[gloomy crescent]

Fuck

[heady onyx]

no Iron Hands is really good for competitive

[gloomy crescent]

I'm fuckjng stupid

[rain cedar]

Sorry I'm not on competitive for now guys

[gloomy crescent]

@heady onyx would bax be good

[heady onyx]

You could Bax + Alolan-Ninetales too

It's a great combination

[gloomy crescent]

Wait teach me

[rain cedar]

I already now I'm planning to build one I already have raid build I'm planning to do a competitive build on Shiny Iron Hands I found

[gloomy crescent]

Also is inteleon good by any chance

[gentle delta]

Iron Hands is literally the best comp mon in the game what a massive L take

[gloomy crescent]

No I will use ogerpon

[heady onyx]

Ogerpon is great too

[gentle delta]

Not remotely

[rain cedar]

I mean that Iron Hands her building is for mostly raids

I'm not talking about competitive

[gloomy crescent]

@charred saddle whats that water build you taught me again

[charred saddle]

what water? ogerpon?

[rain cedar]

Now I am I'm building iron hands competitive build

[heady onyx]

Iron Hands Urshifu Heatran Baxcalibur Alolan-Ninetales Ogerpon would be a great team

[gloomy crescent]

Yes

[gentle delta]

Theres a really good splashable one going around lemme grab it for you

[gentle crag]

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[charred saddle]

just look into that if you want.

since my waterpon is built chonky as a follow me support

[gloomy crescent]

Oh ok thank you

[gentle delta]

Ogerpon-Wellspring (F) @ Wellspring Mask
Ability: Water Absorb
Level: 50
Tera Type: Water
EVs: 252 HP / 132 Atk / 84 Def / 36 SpD / 4 Spe
Adamant Nature

• Spiky Shield
• Ivy Cudgel
• Grassy Glide
• Follow Me

Glide can be Leech or Hammer

[gloomy crescent]

Oh

[charred saddle]

oh thats also a chonky one

[gentle delta]

Its good nutty chonk factor

[heady onyx]

Glide sucks if you don't have Rillaboom on your side imo

[gentle delta]

Eats a lot

[charred saddle]

Ogerpon-Wellspring (F) @ Wellspring Mask
Ability: Water Absorb
Level: 50
Tera Type: Water
EVs: 252 HP / 156 Atk / 84 Def / 12 SpD / 4 Spe
Impish Nature

• Follow Me
• Spiky Shield
• Ivy Cudgel
• Horn Leech

oh pretty similar

[heady onyx]

Really not consistent move without Grassy terrain

[gentle delta]

Hence me literally saying its replacable

[charred saddle]

thats mine

[gloomy crescent]

Bax an atales are done

I just need to do ogerpon

[gentle delta]

I had Rilla so mine has Glide

[heady onyx]

feels like a must to not run it imo

It's really Grassy terrain relian

otherwise lacks power and no priority

[gentle delta]

Well yeah

[charred saddle]

i also had rilla but i just like having the hornleech to have more sustain

[gentle delta]

The one I posted is from a team with rilla

Thats why I said the alternative moves in the same message

[gentle delta]

If you have Gorilla its a bad call to not bring glide

[heady onyx]

depends if you go support waterpon

[rain cedar]

I need to go now

[stray prism]

https://pokepast.es/9d61ee6fe7e2d004
what should be my last pokemon here? joing regional next week. Really need some help

[charred saddle]

hmm, while i do love the prio, i dont like having to rely on the grassy terrain.

since i can usually lead kingambit waterpon

[gloomy crescent]

Right now it's the evs left

[charred saddle]

but its also kinda in the back of my head

[gloomy crescent]

And I'm done

[charred saddle]

and my team i think has enough prio to play with, E speed Harc, FO, grassy glide from rilla, and sucker from kingambit

[gloomy crescent]

Omg Aaron made me broke

[heady onyx]

Roaring Moon with Booster Energy ?