competitive_discussion

[molten oasis]

There’s uh, there’s a few thing I’d like to ask about

Why are you running Lucario?

Man I love auto correct

[dawn crown]

I just kinda wanted to make a unique team with justified and beat up

[molten oasis]

K, Annihilape already does that better

It’s not justified (the ability) but it powers up Rage fist

Alr, why bright powder on Maushold?

[dawn crown]

i couldnt think of an item

leftovers didnt really work well

[molten oasis]

Rocky helm goggles or recovery berry are all MUCH better

Sitrus berry to be specific

[dawn crown]

ok

[molten oasis]

Helping hand on life orb harc, why is that?

I just want to see the thought process of it

[unique gyro]

Hello competitive people. I think I’ve gotten a little comfortable in the end game to start battling online. I think I’m well versed in IVs, EVs, and natures. Does anyone wanna help me set up a team? My only knowledge comes from a few random battles from showdown.

[dawn crown]

i originally used normal arcainine with snarl and i wasnt usually clicking it a lot so i switch to offensive hisuian with helping hand to boost dragonite e speed further

[molten oasis]

Well right away id place chien pao, somewhere

[dawn crown]

instead of bundle right?

[molten oasis]

If you want a supportive harc you should switch to a wisp set

Yes and no

Add chien over bundle then we need to add a special attacker

[dawn crown]

its been hard to decide whether to replace bundle because freeze dry is kinda insane

and icy wind

[molten oasis]

Yea it’s hard to switch into freeze dry

[charred saddle]

definitely doesnt need HH to help. just run chienpao

[molten oasis]

That’s what we’re doing

[dawn crown]

so not intimidate?

[charred saddle]

bundle is nice, i mean change the Harc

[molten oasis]

Is there anyone on the team you’d want to keep no matter what

[dawn crown]

Lucario

i originally built the team around it so

[molten oasis]

Alr, I get that

[dawn crown]

I really want to make it work

[dapper crag]

Pokémon No. 448: Lucario

Types

Fighting/Steel

Abilities

Steadfast, Inner Focus, Justified (Hidden)

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

70/110/70/115/70/90

Total

525

Other Formes

Lucario-Mega

SableyeBot version 4.24.3

[molten oasis]

Hmm

We’ll work on some Lucario thing in a minute

Id drop maus for chien pao

If you want to keep bundle

[dawn crown]

ok

i have never really used chien so what moves would i use on it

[molten oasis]

I got a set gimme 1 sec

[charred saddle]

one thing i thought of is beatup fezandipiti

[molten oasis]

Chien-Pao @ Focus Sash
Ability: Sword of Ruin
Level: 50
Tera Type: Ghost
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature

• Ice Spinner
• Sacred Sword
• Sucker Punch
• Protect

[charred saddle]

but not much support. but it does get tailwind

[molten oasis]

Beat up gleam tw, icy wind ig doesn’t sound horrible

[charred saddle]

so like tailwind, beatup, sludge bomb, protect

[molten oasis]

I think you’d want gleam to try and get toxic chain off

You get that chien pao set Delta?

[dawn crown]

yes

[charred saddle]

i mean u can do that, but theres so much fairies, and grass. going sludge is nice

[molten oasis]

I wonder

[dawn crown]

can dipiti beat flutter on its own?

[charred saddle]

but yeah u do you, just giving some ideas lol

[dapper crag]

Fezandipiti's moveset:

Physical Moves

Acrobatics, Aerial Ace, Beat Up, Brave Bird, Cross Poison, Double Kick, Dual Wingbeat, Facade, Fly, Giga Impact, Gunk Shot, Lash Out, Peck, Play Rough, Poison Jab, Poison Tail, Quick Attack, Shadow Claw, Tail Slap, Take Down, Thief, U-turn, Wing Attack

Special Moves

Acid Spray, Air Cutter, Air Slash, Dark Pulse, Dazzling Gleam, Disarming Voice, Heat Wave, Hex, Hurricane, Hyper Beam, Icy Wind, Moonblast, Shadow Ball, Sludge Bomb, Swift, Tera Blast, Uproar, Venoshock

Status Moves

Agility, Attract, Calm Mind, Charm, Endure, Flatter, Light Screen, Nasty Plot, Poison Gas, Protect, Rest, Roost, Sleep Talk, Spite, Substitute, Swagger, Swords Dance, Tailwind, Taunt, Toxic

Notes

A move displayed with Bold text benefits from Same-Type Attack Bonus when used by Fezandipiti.

SableyeBot version 4.24.3

[molten oasis]

Damn

Sludge wave with Lucario could have been interesting

God that movepool sucks lol

[dawn crown]

i hate that lucario is mixed attacker

[charred saddle]

im running NP fezan
its funny

[molten oasis]

Is flutter an issue?

[dawn crown]

yes

actuallly not really

i meant sinischa

[molten oasis]

Oh

[dawn crown]

when i said that

[molten oasis]

Doesn’t bundle handle it fine?

oh well no matcha gatcha just murders it

[dawn crown]

yea

[molten oasis]

Chien pao also kinda fries it

And forces a Tera

[dawn crown]

hm ok that could help

[charred saddle]

drago, how do you check abilities using bot command?

[molten oasis]

/dt. Ability

[finite vine]

Is there a move that removes decreased stats?

[charred saddle]

/dt justified

[molten oasis]

Haze

Clear smog

[charred saddle]

eh?

[dawn crown]

do you think the iron hands and the arcainine are solid though?

[finite vine]

Just the ones that were decreased. I’m trying to keep the ones that were boosted

[molten oasis]

Wdym haze clears all stat changes

[charred saddle]

/dt justified

[molten oasis]

That’s not real

[finite vine]

Ah ok

[charred saddle]

no i meant my command doesnt work

[molten oasis]

You gotta press on dt once it pops up in the menu

[dapper crag]

What moves are good with milotic in sv

Ability: Justified

This Pokemon's Attack is raised by 1 stage after it is damaged by a Dark-type move.

SableyeBot version 4.24.3

And what Tera type

Ability: Justified

This Pokemon's Attack is raised by 1 stage after it is damaged by a Dark-type move.

SableyeBot version 4.24.3

[dawn crown]

beat up hits it 4 times

[molten oasis]

I think icy wind scald recover protect is best, but hydro coil hypnosis protect is also a thing

[charred saddle]

2

[dawn crown]

so it gets to times 3

[charred saddle]

isnt it 2 since theres only 2 ally

[dawn crown]

son mauhold at least

[molten oasis]

Tera’s tend to be grass or dragon

[dapper crag]

Move: Beat Up

Hits one time for the user and one time for each unfainted Pokemon without a non-volatile status condition in the user's party. The power of each hit is equal to 5+(X/10), where X is each participating Pokemon's base Attack; each hit is considered to come from the user.

Type

Dark

Category

Physical

Power

0

Accuracy

100

PP (max)

10 (16)

Move Flags

​

Mirror

Copied by Mirror Move.

Contact

Does not make contact.

SableyeBot version 4.24.3

I'll go dragon

[charred saddle]

oh unfainted

[molten oasis]

K anyway here’s a couple things we can do with Lucario

[smoky hawk]

Wtf is going on in the ladder? So many weird teams. Haxorus, alolan dugtrio, clodsire 🤨

[charred saddle]

can you check which mon learns beatup?

[molten oasis]

Fezan beat up is a thing

Mf ok

[charred saddle]

with the bot i mean, i didnt mean to ask you to search for me

[molten oasis]

Literally the only viable things are Maus Fezan Farigiraf and Shiftry

[molten oasis]

I don’t think the bot can do that

[charred saddle]

hmm

[molten oasis]

I don’t think a justified set is the way to go

[dapper crag]

Sounds like low ladder stuff

[dawn crown]

maybe inner focus

[molten oasis]

I like the idea of life orb bullet punch inner focus Lucario

[charred saddle]

since im thinking more of a bulky team. fezan grim lucario firepon ursh

[dapper crag]

Ability: Steadfast

If this Pokemon flinches, its Speed is raised by 1 stage.

SableyeBot version 4.24.3

[molten oasis]

That’s, no we’re not using that

[dawn crown]

Steadfast sucks

[molten oasis]

What’s the current team?

[molten oasis]

This could also work

If we do justified shenanigans

[charred saddle]

dude dude. weakness policy tera ghost lucario /j its dumb

[molten oasis]

That’s so gimmicky

(Unless it actually works and is consistent I think WP is cringe)

[charred saddle]

how much does beatup increase again? +3 right? weakness adds 2 more

[dawn crown]

wp is cringe

[molten oasis]

Gimmicky

[molten oasis]

A man of culture I like it

[dawn crown]

i hate wp armorouge

[molten oasis]

we are the same person lol

Anyway

[charred saddle]

last time i played with endure wide guard WP weakarmour armarouge, i thought its a gimmick. didnt even think itll be a thing now

[molten oasis]

With the current team being Chien Dnite Luca Bundle Harc and Hands I think we need a way to enable Lucario

[molten oasis]

I fought that on ladder I wanted to die

[dawn crown]

https://pokepast.es/9b2891b6192d734d this is all i got so far

[dapper crag]

Does alolan ninetails work well with milotic

[charred saddle]

a9 is a very nice aurora veil setter

[molten oasis]

Yes, if you want I got a rental you can get some notes off of

[charred saddle]

with milotic u can coil and hypnosis

since u wont really die with veil up, just be careful of weather wars

[dapper crag]

Ya I plan to get into pvp

[molten oasis]

#rental_teams message so, oger is there, but Milo would go over oger here

[gentle crag]

drayagedrago (ID 465881273454559252)

[Message](#rental_teams message) in #rental_teams
Name: Kommo-9
Format: VGC Regulation E
Code: H3VRQN
Paste: https://pokepast.es/837f57e5f98624cf
Notes: Here is my second rental, this time I decided to go for Alolan Ninetales and Kommo-o, hence the name. Set up is this teams main goal, with A9 setting up veil for its bulky partners, Kommo-o getting an omniboost, and ogerpon being the swords dance sweeper. A very popular and high utility Mon comes into play with Iron Hands, and Hisuian Arcanine as our offense intimidate choice. A new mon, that’s one of my favorites by far is Sinistcha, offering some new and interesting plays with Hospitality, it’s signature ability. Here are some notes for the teams weaknesses/strengths:

https://docs.google.com/file/d/1ZAY_IzACu5iBLUT9w2cQbooO01C-L7zX/edit?usp=docslist_api&filetype=msword
If you have questions feel free to DM me, hope you enjoy the team!

Command triggered by drayagedrago. Message from · Oct 5, 2023, 10:56 AM

[dapper crag]

I know aroura veil just buffs milotic defense

[molten oasis]

Both defenses yea

A9 is one of my favs

[charred saddle]

not buffs. mitigates damage

[dapper crag]

It doesn't boost defence, it reduces damages from incoming attck physical/special

[charred saddle]

its different

the calc is different, so you can stack veil and some defense boost. (but its impractical)

[dapper crag]

I got one after being cheated on by guy who basically was on blacklist I lost spectier

[molten oasis]

Here’s what we can do

[dapper crag]

not impractical he he, you can stack aurora veil + intimidate pretty reliably if you wanted

[molten oasis]

Drop final gambit on Luca, as that sounds kinda bad on it in the first place

[dapper crag]

Basically going to have farm ss again

[charred saddle]

no. i mean like doing too much of it

[dapper crag]

the 1st layer you drop on their stat + the flat reduction from screens adds up to a lot

[molten oasis]

Switch to close combat bullet punch protect and then, maybe swords dance or some coverage move

[dapper crag]

This is milotic

I turned nature into calm

Lucario's moveset:

Physical Moves

Aerial Ace, Bite, Blaze Kick, Body Slam, Bone Rush, Brick Break, Bulldoze, Bullet Punch, Circle Throw, Close Combat, Counter, Cross Chop, Crunch, Dig, Drain Punch, Dual Chop, Earthquake, Extreme Speed, Facade, Feint, Fling, Focus Punch, Force Palm, Frustration, Fury Cutter, Giga Impact, Headbutt, High Jump Kick, Ice Punch, Iron Tail, Low Kick, Low Sweep, Mega Kick, Mega Punch, Metal Claw, Meteor Mash, Natural Gift, Payback, Poison Jab, Power-Up Punch, Quick Attack, Retaliate, Return, Revenge, Reversal, Rock Slide, Rock Smash, Rock Tomb, Secret Power, Shadow Claw, Sky Uppercut, Stone Edge, Strength, Take Down, Thunder Punch, Trailblaze, Zen Headbutt

Special Moves

Aura Sphere, Dark Pulse, Dragon Pulse, Final Gambit, Flash Cannon, Focus Blast, Hidden Power, Hyper Beam, Mud-Slap, Psychic, Round, Shadow Ball, Snore, Steel Beam, Swift, Tera Blast, Terrain Pulse, Vacuum Wave, Water Pulse

Status Moves

Agility, Attract, Bulk Up, Calm Mind, Captivate, Coaching, Confide, Copycat, Detect, Double Team, Endure, Focus Energy, Follow Me, Foresight, Heal Pulse, Helping Hand, Hone Claws, Howl, Iron Defense, Laser Focus, Life Dew, Magnet Rise, Me First, Metal Sound, Metronome, Mind Reader, Nasty Plot, Protect, Quick Guard, Rain Dance, Rest, Roar, Role Play, Scary Face, Screech, Sleep Talk, Substitute, Sunny Day, Swagger, Swords Dance, Toxic, Work Up

Notes

A move displayed with Bold text benefits from Same-Type Attack Bonus when used by Lucario.

SableyeBot version 4.24.3

[molten oasis]

Yea swords dance

[dawn crown]

you mean endure right?

[molten oasis]

No, protect

[dawn crown]

ok

[molten oasis]

Endure doesn’t really work the way you’d want it to

[dapper crag]

Did they ever nerf op teams Basically ones that can dominate and be undefeated

[molten oasis]

Protect prevents the damage while endure just leaves you at 1 which kinda sucks

Also since it’s an option, life orb over ability shield

[dapper crag]

What item do I put on milotic

[molten oasis]

Leftovers or sitrus

[dapper crag]

Ok

Smogon isnt much helping

[molten oasis]

…

You playing doubles or singles?

[dapper crag]

I sometimes play doubles

And more singles

[dawn crown]

cringes

[molten oasis]

K

Is this Milo for singles?

[dapper crag]

What is ranked

Single or double

[molten oasis]

Singles or doubles battles

[dapper crag]

I plan to get into ranked

[molten oasis]

If you’re playing singles idk about playing in cart

[dapper crag]

I guess double

[molten oasis]

Singles in cart (the game itself) is wildly different than singles in showdown

[dapper crag]

I see

[molten oasis]

Delta we prob add fluttermane here

[dawn crown]

ok

i only have pv so uh

[molten oasis]

What?

You only have violet is that what you mean?

[dawn crown]

yea

[molten oasis]

Someone could trade you one

Not a big deal

[dawn crown]

ok]

[molten oasis]

K next we prob add like, Tornadus

[dawn crown]

so move set moonbalst dazzling gleam protect and ball?

[molten oasis]

Yea or you do specs with power gem over protect

[charred saddle]

cough cough im planning to open shiny flutter giveaway again soon in #surprise_giveaways

just keep an eye

[molten oasis]

Nice, I have 2 so I won’t be participating lol

[charred saddle]

i still have 120 shiny flutters to giveaway anyway

[molten oasis]

you hunted that many?

[dawn crown]

how????

[charred saddle]

yes i hunted for marks

[molten oasis]

That’s sounds agonizing

[charred saddle]

i have rare marked 3 IV atk, 1 IV atk 1/100 mark

[molten oasis]

Nice

[charred saddle]

thats the closest i get to 0

i do have 0 but not at 1/100

[molten oasis]

Alr Delta can you send a paste of the current mons?

[molten oasis]

Rip, that one would be good for comp, not that foul play exists rn

[dawn crown]

https://pokepast.es/e61cda21251ddbff

i prob just max ev speed and sp attack for flutter correct?

[molten oasis]

Where’s chien pao

[charred saddle]

ye, thats why i use a 1 iv atk one. not much diff with 0 atk anyway

[molten oasis]

Nope imma send you a spread

[dawn crown]

oops i forgor

[molten oasis]

Flutter Mane @ Choice Specs
Ability: Protosynthesis
Level: 50
Tera Type: Fairy
EVs: 76 HP / 140 Def / 156 SpA / 4 SpD / 132 Spe
Timid Nature

• Dazzling Gleam
• Moonblast
• Shadow Ball
• Thunderbolt

Lives icicle crash from Chien Pao

[dawn crown]

ok

[molten oasis]

Hits 189 speed

[charred saddle]

speed booster specs?

i see

[dawn crown]

speaking of pao do i use sash or orb

[molten oasis]

Yea, this set isn’t meant for sun teams

[dawn crown]

ive seen people use both

[charred saddle]

sash or orb is fine

[molten oasis]

Sash is better here

[charred saddle]

sash for safe. orb if you want more damage

[molten oasis]

Id put lorb on Lucario

[charred saddle]

since u put orb in lucario, only sash is available

yep

[molten oasis]

Oh wait it is lol

Just do sash

[dawn crown]

from what ive seen so far lucario is strong enough to one shot all flutter

without boost

[molten oasis]

Sick

[charred saddle]

flutter have shit physical bulk

[molten oasis]

I fucking hate fluttermane lol

[charred saddle]

but you prob still need to calc bulky mane

[dawn crown]

i run heavy slam on hands for a reason

[charred saddle]

bullet punch is still 40bp still very low

[dawn crown]

yea

[molten oasis]

Oh the evs

Do max speed max attack

[dawn crown]

pao or lucario?

[charred saddle]

fix the EVs btw, less hp ev, more sp def ev on Iron hands

you gwt more value putting more on sp def

[dawn crown]

i have assault vest already

[molten oasis]

I feel like you just go adamant

On Lucario

[dawn crown]

ok

[molten oasis]

Idk if it outspeeds anything important

[charred saddle]

even with AV people run more sp def investment

IH have a naturally high hp bulk

[molten oasis]

Yea with hands you want its spD as high as possible usually

Here

Iron Hands @ Assault Vest
Ability: Quark Drive
Level: 50
Tera Type: Grass
EVs: 156 HP / 100 Atk / 252 SpD
Adamant Nature

• Drain Punch
• Wild Charge
• Fake Out
• Heavy Slam

Change Tera if you want

[dawn crown]

no defnse?

[molten oasis]

It’s already pretty high

[charred saddle]

its physical bulk is high

[molten oasis]

You don’t need it unless it’s for something specific

[charred saddle]

i usually do 252 sp def 156 atk 4 hp 4 def and rest speed

[molten oasis]

That also works

[charred saddle]

dude speed creeping ih is dumb

[molten oasis]

I just like this tbh

I like being bulked out

[charred saddle]

i mean yeah bulk is nice

[molten oasis]

Id rather lose that tie tbh

[dawn crown]

i like hand thicc

[molten oasis]

Instead of having above 100 speed evs

[mellow barn]

Morning

[dapper crag]

Slower is better anyway for Drain Punch endgame

[molten oasis]

[dawn crown]

i used to used thunder punch for some reason

[dapper crag]

but no need to max Sp.Def, you can get away with sub 236 EVs in Sp.Def and get a very favorable roll on the highest end of Flutter

[molten oasis]

That’s legit fine

[charred saddle]

thunder punch is fine, but wild charge is better since it hs higher bp

[mellow barn]

Speaking of Iron Hands, yesterday I had sumo battle in ladder with other Iron Hands

[molten oasis]

Average hands moment lol

[charred saddle]

with the cost of recoil

[molten oasis]

Wild charge is also important to pick up some kos

Alr Delta send paste plz

I forgot where we were at

[dawn crown]

https://pokepast.es/877067ca1dc666df

[dapper crag]

Drain Punch Wild Charge Fake Out are non negotiable basically lol

[dawn crown]

heavy slam is good for those evil flutter

[charred saddle]

except its a BD set or SD set IH

[molten oasis]

Close combat over drain punch on Luca

[charred saddle]

u can drop FO

[molten oasis]

Id probably do outrage over waterfall on dnite

And then torn wants taunt and protect or sunny day here

[mellow barn]

I hate Dragonite, I can't count how many times I have lost to it

[molten oasis]

I used to hate it

Then I learned how much more I hate torn and fluttermane

[dapper crag]

Even SD Hands doesn't drop Fake Out

You never run Protect

[molten oasis]

No SD hands tend to drop FO

[charred saddle]

you can. not dropping it entirely

[molten oasis]

and add detect

[dapper crag]

That's an odd set

[molten oasis]

Not really it’s just preference mostly

[dapper crag]

SD Hands would run dual STAB + Fake Out normally

[dawn crown]

i run hands mainly for fake out

[molten oasis]

I’ve seen SD hands that just do detect

Hands has lots of staying power too

[dapper crag]

Hence why it doesn't run protect/detect

[molten oasis]

Mhmm

[dapper crag]

Force the read on Fake Out and click Swords Dance

You keep the upper hand then they're facing +2 hands

[dawn crown]

what is the difference in using tornadous and talonflame

[mellow barn]

I kinda wanna run Umbreon Foul play shenanigans

[dapper crag]

Consistency from the ability

[charred saddle]

prankster

[molten oasis]

Delta
Tornadus @ Covert Cloak
Ability: Prankster
Level: 50
Tera Type: Steel
EVs: 252 HP / 36 Def / 220 SpA
Modest Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

• Bleakwind Storm
• Tailwind
• Taunt
• Sunny Day

Yes this is the one I used

[dapper crag]

Item: Covert Cloak

Holder is not affected by the secondary effect of another Pokemon's attack.

SableyeBot version 4.24.3

[dawn crown]

no flinch?

[molten oasis]

Yep

[charred saddle]

talonflame is speedy tailwind setter.

but prankster still outspeeds it.

you can run speedy torn to outspeed opposing torn and taunt but its niche

[dawn crown]

cool

[molten oasis]

Talon also doesn’t like shifu at all

Torn always threatens a ko on it unless it Tera’s

[dawn crown]

why sunny day over protect on torn

[dapper crag]

Not like Torn takes a Surging Strike

[molten oasis]

It does

[molten oasis]

That’s just what it had, you can do protect

[dapper crag]

Never seen one take it not using defensive Tera

[molten oasis]

Tf torn set you running that doesn’t live surging strikes

[dapper crag]

Just can't recall one taking it simply said

And I've killed a couple

[molten oasis]

Here’s one

252 Atk Mystic Water Urshifu-Rapid Strike Surging Strikes (3 hits) vs. 252 HP / 36 Def Tornadus on a critical hit: 153-180 (82.2 - 96.7%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after pinch berry recovery

Some have like 220 defense

To live Tera water adamant

[dapper crag]

That's not adamant and I don't see tera water

[dawn crown]

urshifu can go die

[dapper crag]

If I want to kill you on lead, I go all-in

[molten oasis]

Bruh

[dapper crag]

You get your tailwind, I get your Torn

[molten oasis]

I said that AFTER the calc

[dapper crag]

I see it as a win

[molten oasis]

That was not the calc obviously

[dapper crag]

On the aftermath it lives on defensive Tera, I'll just target around and let you suffer it stuck on the field at low life

[molten oasis]

I, it needs a nerf

[dawn crown]

wait is rion valient jsut a better lucario?

[dapper crag]

Win-win no matter what

[molten oasis]

Yes

[charred saddle]

not really. different coverage

[molten oasis]

It’s just better than Lucario

[dawn crown]

why can it hit through protect

[charred saddle]

valiant is better. but it doesnt have steel cover

wideguard is nice.l

[molten oasis]

I think unseen fist needs to be reduced dsmage

[dawn crown]

hmm interessting

[molten oasis]

Not just full ass damage

[dapper crag]

Embrace the bear

[smoky hawk]

In game ladder is brutal

[molten oasis]

I found focus blast gholdengo today

[dawn crown]

all fire ogerpon and weezing 😦

[molten oasis]

My win con was it NOT being focus blast dengo

I was very angry

Cuz that would have been my master ball game

[dawn crown]

does chein ohko most tera dragon gohldengo

[molten oasis]

Yea

It should

[dawn crown]

i feel like there isnt enough defense support on this team so far

[molten oasis]

This style team is just very agressice

Aggressive

[smoky hawk]

I made a rain team and it was winning 4/5 games on showdown but in game I have a losing record with it

[molten oasis]

Cart weirdly enough is pretty different from showdown

[dapper crag]

Showdown is full of alts, switch is full of real accounts

[mellow barn]

My morning started well, won a game in ladder

[molten oasis]

POG

Delta would you prefer a balance team?

[dawn crown]

kinda

[molten oasis]

I really only think Lucario can work on a hyper offense team if anywhere so

[dawn crown]

maybe take out lucario

[dapper crag]

You can run Lucario on balance

[molten oasis]

Not really

[dawn crown]

how so?

[dapper crag]

not an issue

[molten oasis]

It does not have the bulk or attack for that

Like it just kinda exists in balance not really doing much

[dapper crag]

doesn't need bulk

go max/max with sash

[molten oasis]

Mm yes flutter chi yu and shifu just murder it

[dawn crown]

i have never made a real team before since im new to VGC so I kinda want a team thats simple to use unlike perish trap or something and i also dont want to have to spend more than 1 ability patch

[molten oasis]

It doesn’t work on balance

[dapper crag]

it tanks 1 hit with a sash

[molten oasis]

Flutter chi yu THE DUO murders it

There’s just simply much better mons for balance

[dapper crag]

that's a very specific lead, don't lead it if you apprehend tht

simple counterplay imo

[molten oasis]

WHAT DO YOU MEAN FLUTTER CHI YU US SPECIFIC

[mellow barn]

I do kinda wanna build some shenanigans.
Umbreon with Foul Play
Gliscor with Toxic Heal
Hydregon with Focus Energy
Ursaluna with Guts
Grimmsnarl with Screens
Cresselia with Trick Room
Just few ideas

[molten oasis]

that’s so common tf are you on

[dawn crown]

i also kinda dont want to run anything too gimicky

[dapper crag]

Chi-Yu isn't that common

[dawn crown]

because i end up losing everytime

[molten oasis]

:/

[molten oasis]

You can run my Rental

It’s a balance team

[verbal zealot]

whats the most common palafin moveset nowadays

[molten oasis]

Same as it was probably, palafin is dead

[charred saddle]

palfin itself isnt common now

[dawn crown]

wait can rentals be used a s much as you want on online ladder?

[verbal zealot]

like jet punch wave crash protect

[molten oasis]

Yep

[charred saddle]

yes

[dawn crown]

yay

[verbal zealot]

and then like what, cc? or flip turn

[molten oasis]

Either or, probably cc

[dapper crag]

Could be fancy and run Tera Blast to cover an angle

[mellow barn]

I have almost over an hour before work... should I just collect Tera or begin clearing Violet for my Scarlet dex?

[molten oasis]

Tera takes a while id get some of that done

[dapper crag]

Just make balance centered around using Lucario glass cannon

[molten oasis]

:/

[dawn crown]

that sure is specific...

[dapper crag]

Didn't you want to use Lucario ?

[dawn crown]

yea

[molten oasis]

That’s rough on someone who seems new, Delta are you new?

[dawn crown]

yes very

PV is my first pokemon mainline game

[molten oasis]

Nice

[dawn crown]

just got legends arceus

[molten oasis]

K yea balance with Lucario, as a beginner

Is just bad

[dawn crown]

hmmm a while ago i did make a goofy worm team

[molten oasis]

For easiest use it should be a HO team

[dapper crag]

oof okay

[dawn crown]

i did get to masterall with it but then fire ogerpon ended me

[mellow barn]

Cresselia Trick Room with something... perhaps Earthquake sweeper? 🤔

[molten oasis]

Alr well, do you want intimidate on your team?

[dawn crown]

yea

[molten oasis]

Like the one we have atm

[dawn crown]

it seems to help a lot

[molten oasis]

Uhm k, we can add lando or harc somewhere, you got the paste?

[dawn crown]

i cant decide betweeen gyrados arcainnine landorous or hisui

[molten oasis]

Lando and Harc are easily the best

[dawn crown]

https://pokepast.es/bf73077cbc486580

[molten oasis]

We can swap dnite for banded harc

Or scarf lando

[dawn crown]

wait whats harc

[molten oasis]

Hisuian arcanine

[dawn crown]

oh ok

[molten oasis]

Harc

[dawn crown]

ok

i feel like the fighting voerage that lucario gives is overshadowed bu iron hands

it kinda makes it useless

[dapper crag]

252+ Atk Tera-Steel Lucario Bullet Punch vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Flutter Mane: 144-172 (110.7 - 132.3%) -- guaranteed OHKO
(144, 144, 148, 148, 152, 152, 156, 156, 156, 160, 160, 164, 164, 168, 168, 172)

I think there's some hope for Lucario facing Flutter

[dawn crown]

yea

[molten oasis]

Lucario should just beat it anyway

[dawn crown]

yea

[molten oasis]

Rilla CAN go over hands but it makes the tr matchup pretty hard

Grass would be nice tho

[dawn crown]

i used grass ogerpon before

[molten oasis]

Ehh idk about that here

[mellow barn]

What goes well with Cresselia? Slowly thinking about a Trick room set

[molten oasis]

Ursaluna

[dawn crown]

ursaluna

[mellow barn]

Moon or normal?

[molten oasis]

Normal

[dapper crag]

Iron Hands Amoonguss Cress + slow sweepers

Can be real tricky to navigate but quite strong

[molten oasis]

It’s not, really that hard to pilot, but yea it’s harder than most

[dapper crag]

Hard TR is not given to all players

It's really harsh to setup when you give up one turn of tempo minimally

[molten oasis]

That turn is also typically your first turn

As tr sweepers hit very very hard

[dawn crown]

https://pokepast.es/7bb7b0e6c47678e5 this was my old wormy team maybe i can work off this?

[dapper crag]

Drago I got hipno scald and recover what was the last 1

[molten oasis]

Oh you’re doing hypnosis coil set?

[mellow barn]

What about Slaking? Need to find a way to get it's ability though 🤔

[molten oasis]

You could run weezing slaking but slaking is pretty meh under tr

[dapper crag]

Ya if it works why not

[molten oasis]

I think, icy wind scald recover is better but I get it

[mellow barn]

True, but it learns Rock Slide 🤔

[molten oasis]

You run hydro pump coil hypnosis and protect

For Milo

[molten oasis]

Eq also isn’t great rn as rillaboom nerfs it’s dsmage

[dapper crag]

You know what evs should I maxout

Speed health

[molten oasis]

Milotic @ Leftovers
Ability: Competitive
Level: 50
Tera Type: Dragon
EVs: 252 HP / 124 Def / 132 SpA
Modest Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

• Scald
• Icy Wind
• Recover
• Protect

Just use the evs

[dapper crag]

Ok

[mellow barn]

What moves would deal with Rillaboom?

[dapper crag]

What of Tera type

Dragon

[molten oasis]

Dragon

[dapper crag]

Ok

[molten oasis]

Sludge bomb on weezing is decent damage

[chrome knot]

@molten oasis do da stankey leg

[molten oasis]

Hydro pump over scald

https://tenor.com/view/snikrep-stanky-leg-gif-24091446

[dapper crag]

Is hydro pump better

[chrome knot]

ooo get it white boy😭

[molten oasis]

For coil hypnosis Milo yes

[dapper crag]

Ok

[molten oasis]

Coil increases accuracy

[molten oasis]

Maybe

It looks like it works fine

Torn over talon pretty much

Tera ghost on bundle

[bold geode]

Talon? Little bit behind

[dawn crown]

any other ways to counter firepon

[chrome knot]

bucket hat

[molten oasis]

Monke go to sleep

[bold geode]

No

[charred saddle]

thats his old team

[bold geode]

I'm actually just laying in bed rn

[molten oasis]

Oh I see

Im either at work or laying in bed lol

[dawn crown]

the worm swept to master until sinischa and oger came

[molten oasis]

You need counters to them?

[dawn crown]

yea basically

[molten oasis]

Torn can handle them fine

[bold geode]

Firepon
Tornadus, Harc, Lando, Ursaluna, Hands does fine, TTar as off the wall

[molten oasis]

Switching your oger to oger fire would also help

[dawn crown]

ok

i just used grass because defiant

[molten oasis]

Fair

[bold geode]

Kingambit for Defiant is pog

[dawn crown]

wait or do I use water oger to counter shifu and fire oger

[molten oasis]

Fire oger doesn’t get countered by water oger

It’s a weird neutral situation

[bold geode]

Pretty dicey

[dawn crown]

stupid grass type

[molten oasis]

Lol felt I hate ogerpon in comp

Anyway, firepon here is generally better imo

And then torn over talon

[dawn crown]

ok

[chrome knot]

what bucketeer mean

[molten oasis]

https://tenor.com/view/this-is-a-bucket-team-fortress-tf-gif-15812649

[bold geode]

Bucket

[molten oasis]

https://tenor.com/view/theres-more-gif-23888098

https://tenor.com/view/no-this-is-a-bucket-gasp-no-way-gif-18649024

[chrome knot]

can i be buckethat

[molten oasis]

Sure

I don’t see why not

[charred saddle]

[chrome knot]

woopeee

[molten oasis]

Tf is that lmao

[chrome knot]

[charred saddle]

poliwhirlkek but shittier

[molten oasis]

Lmao nice

[charred saddle]

this is the hd

[molten oasis]

Emma the name is Bucketeer then your name

[dawn crown]

Drago thanks for helping a lot

[molten oasis]

Np, glad to be of service

[chrome knot]

nooo i said bucket hat

[molten oasis]

I want to play Mario Wonder now I’ve been doing this for too long

[molten oasis]

Ight, that also works the

[chrome knot]

wan play sets tmrw

foaming for good practice nowsies

[charred saddle]

if u want i can play you in the morning emma

i needed to test my team for draft league lol

[molten oasis]

I’m down

[dawn crown]

wait if i can make it to master ball again can i get role?

[bold geode]

Huh

[molten oasis]

The bucket role?

[dawn crown]

i see you and monke have master ball role

[bold geode]

Oh that's different

[molten oasis]

Oh that’s just the server experience

[dawn crown]

oh

[chrome knot]

thas cause they talk alot

[molten oasis]

We have been in here for over a year

[bold geode]

I'm a chatty mfer

[molten oasis]

https://tenor.com/view/santa-claus-aging-old-gif-14680363

It’s been a year wtf

[charred saddle]

bucket role

requirements —> get to MB

[chrome knot]

im a repeat ball

[molten oasis]

Uh oh

Well Bucketeers get to MB

You’re fine lol

[dapper crag]

Isn't Bucketeer just a name change lol

[molten oasis]

https://tenor.com/view/shh-secret-chris-pratt-silence-dont-say-gif-17543341

[dapper crag]

Drago what's the Evi on your ogerpon

[mellow barn]

Played around Trick Rook/Neutralizing Gas build. What you all think?
https://pokepast.es/1df71aee74f9be1b

[charred saddle]

slaking is a niche one. once weezing dies you are in a rough shape

[mellow barn]

True...

Perhaps change it to Ursaluna

[deep sparrow]

Anyone have a decent Dondozo/tatsugiri team I can experiment with?

[mellow barn]

Ursaluna @ Flame Orb
Ability: Guts
Level: 50
Tera Type: Ground
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Atk / 4 SpD
Adamant Nature

• Facade
• Drain Punch
• Headlong Rush
• Yawn

Something like this?

[charred saddle]

guts doesnt work with weezing

and rather than yawn better to get protect

[mellow barn]

[cyan smelt]

swords dance to deal with intim too

[molten oasis]

Which one?

[dapper crag]

Ogerpon

[charred saddle]

which ogerpon is prob what drago is asking, since different oger can run a different set

[mellow barn]

https://pokepast.es/7f53a9d416c738d7
Better?

[dapper crag]

Water

[charred saddle]

thats the standard cressluna i think. just fix the EVs

IH will benefit more with more sp def investment. cress with more def invvestment

too much focus on 252 hp bulk

[dapper crag]

I got milotic up s
Hydro pump
Recover
Hypnosis
Coil

But it seems it gets one shoted by fire

I'm using calm

Nature

[charred saddle]

heatran Lorb can run flash cannon for stab and coverage for flutters

i think people ran heatwave, earth power, flash cannon, protect

u can change flash cannon with other moves

ili just like flash cannon since it covers fairies

if u are running nasty plot farigiraf, dont run tera blast as your attackin move. since u are forced to do tera to deal more. if you want the normal stab, just do hyper voice

[dapper crag]

Is ogerpon good combo eith milotic

[charred saddle]

idk, not familiar with it

[dapper crag]

I set arora veil thin bring out ogerpon

[mellow barn]

https://pokepast.es/86e71ffa3ad4d621 Better?

[dapper crag]

Basically kill everything my zacian can kill anything in one shot and save that as a last resort it ends game to fast

[charred saddle]

IH still needs atk. less hp.
i cant help fix everythign. try checking vgc paste in pin and look for cressluna common sets. they have a lot of nice builds

[mellow barn]

Gotcha, thank you!

[charred saddle]

zacian isnt even in reg E

[molten oasis]

Ogerpon-Wellspring (F) @ Wellspring Mask
Ability: Water Absorb
Level: 50
Tera Type: Water
EVs: 252 HP / 132 Atk / 84 Def / 36 SpD / 4 Spe
Adamant Nature

• Spiky Shield
• Ivy Cudgel
• Grassy Glide
• Follow Me

[dapper crag]

Can mioltic go with over pon

Or no

[charred saddle]

since im not familiar with it, the best advice i can tell you is, try looking for working milotic builds from past regionals

start from there

[dapper crag]

https://tenor.com/view/whats-your-name-sharon-welles-the-oval-what-do-you-call-yourself-tell-me-your-name-gif-23483523

Worlds best detective

[charred saddle]

?

[dapper crag]

Sorry I am very good at confusing people

[charred saddle]

u do u then.

[dapper crag]

https://tenor.com/view/silly-seal-seal-seal-tongue-seal-funny-seal-cute-gif-8126474861428529800

[dapper crag]

Yeah why not

Ogerpon-Fire + Milotic gives you the Water Fire Grass typing ''core''

[molten oasis]

It’s, fine

Follow me helps it set up

[smoky hawk]

Just lost 6 games in a row in game

I'm ditching this team and trying tomorrow

[molten oasis]

Lol felt

[gloomy crescent]

That things scawey

[dapper crag]

When in doubt use the meta

[north pulsar]

hi im looking to start competitive battling and would like some help building a team if any would be willing to help me i would really appreciate it

[cyan smelt]

which format are you looking to play?

[dapper crag]

https://tenor.com/view/warhammer-necron-gif-17816277693703384207

So far milotic and alolan combo is just toxic

Ninetails

[north pulsar]

i have PMed you

[dense robin]

Im the same as him above. Love to get into competitive battling and would love some guidence.

[cyan smelt]

Alright my advice for someone starting out is to find a rental team you like, get a feel for how vgc works and go from there, vgc pastes on twitter is a good resource, so is the rental teams channel in the server, and good poketubers are James baek, Cybertronvgc and wolfeyvgc

[dense robin]

Got my rental team. won 10 games

[cyan smelt]

Hmmmm then the next step is probably to find what elements of that team you like and add your own twist

[vale epoch]

Is loaded dice a good item on a Moxie Heracross?

Set would be smth like: Pin Missile, CC, Rock Blast and Trailblaze

[vale epoch]

Too bad arm thrust isnt 25 bp each hit

[lofty tartan]

Heracross itself is just not a very strong pick.

[dapper crag]

The first few games can look steamrolly if you use a rental vs the lower ranks

[visual loom]

Well the issue with heracross is you have Lando and torny

[dapper crag]

If you play this set in Singles it can work, Heracross lost some of its shine but it's a pretty decent pick in the lower brackets

[visual loom]

Even if you do have a unique Tera bro is just dead

[cyan smelt]

Also chi yu flutter

[dapper crag]

Loaded Dice Heracross is not a set for Doubles lmao

It's a set for Singles

[visual loom]

That's true

I mean you could make it work

Depending on what the singles meta is im not really much of a singles enthusiast so I wouldnt know the meta but gl making it work ig

[dapper crag]

It just works as a fun offensive Mon

Heracross is in a fine spot outside of OU, like it can do some work

[visual loom]

Someone had a stupid bruxish team I couldn't remember what it did but I was getting slapped up in regulation e

What's the difference between a grass Tera and water Tera on ih

Is it only for spore and urshifu

Wouldn't it just be better to go grass overall cuz it does the work of both

I saw wolfey using water Tera so I was kinda confused

[dapper crag]

Water has 2 weaknesses

Grass has a bit more

There isn't a single best answer to everything

[visual loom]

Is it for arcanines? Also

[dapper crag]

You can play that game of naming all Mons it can play defensively towards if you want to justify the best Tera

[visual loom]

Yeah it's not really gonna help cuz everything has its downsides

Well ty

[dapper crag]

You can run Fire, Water, Grass, Poison, Steel, Dragon, Fairy as defensive Teras

They all can cover your weaknesses/meta threats

[visual loom]

I guess it does depend on what you wanna use it for huh

Thank you anyways that was helpful

[dapper crag]

I don't wanna be a downer, but you can't have a perfect team

Once you think you've solved the meta, you get reminded you got nothing to clean Dondozo boosts and you hard lose lol

or whatever matchup, it's simply impossible to craft a perfect team

[visual loom]

Not the dozo...

Well Pokemon is a game where you simply cannot win every game

[dapper crag]

You can try your best though

https://tenor.com/view/pokemon-anime-ash-ketchum-i-want-to-be-the-very-best-like-no-one-ever-was-gif-9418824218269499270

[nocturne holly]

https://pokepast.es/b62162f29cdb43e2 what’s my lead to landot with this team?

[next stump]

does tera dark wicked blow knock it out

if so, you can lead tailwind

[nocturne holly]

idk

I’ll calc that

[keen karma]

Why are you running 252 252 harc

Run more bulk

[orchid falcon]

if the lando isnt bulk then 252+ Atk Tera Dark Urshifu Wicked Blow vs. 4 HP / 0 Def Landorus on a critical hit: 158-186 (95.7 - 112.7%) -- 68.8% chance to OHKO

[autumn vault]

Lando-T nearly UU, ttar in RU, Alomomola and moltres in OU, gliscor in Ubers and Garchomp in UUBL

[mellow barn]

What is mochis for?

[orchid falcon]

they are basically vitamins

give you 10 EVs in that stat

[mellow barn]

👀

And all this time I have spend money on vitamis on store

[orchid falcon]

(i only learned this yesterday i thought they were like feathers)

[orchid falcon]

tbh i used to do that too

but just power train ur mons its way easier and cheaper

[mellow barn]

True...

[orchid falcon]

takes abt 20-30 mins

[mellow barn]

Does level shards increase EVs at all?

[orchid falcon]

level shards?

[mellow barn]

The exp shards

[orchid falcon]

im assuming you mean candies

correct?

if you mean candies they dont

[chrome knot]

just get a 3patch raid

[mellow barn]

Gotcha

[chrome knot]

money becomes not a problem

[mellow barn]

So power items just increase the amount by 50%?
So if I get 1 EV it's 1,5 right?

[orchid falcon]

no it adds 8 iirc

so 2 + 8 +10 EVs

[next stump]

^ correct

they make manual EV training much faster

[mellow barn]

[smoky hawk]

Fighting scream tails is the best hp training and you will get some levels from that as well

The beach area outside of that cave where you first meet the legendary has all speed-boosting pokemon

[orchid falcon]

if you have the power training item wont it give you 11 EVs since its base is 3?

[smoky hawk]

Yes

[dull ibex]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-F7dusD43RE

god damnit now im emotional LMAO

[keen karma]

wow this really inspires me and helps me competitively as a player

[dull ibex]

👍 you're welcome

[orchid falcon]

this brings back too many memories, now we must move on 🫡

[dull ibex]

eh i dont have too nothing is going on

[keen karma]

red i need help

rate team

[unique gyro]

Is 3 set up mons too many? Also this is a very rough draft of my first comp team I’m trying to build.

[keen karma]

what format

[dull ibex]

the sets suck bad team

[unique gyro]

This is for SV, not showdown. What formats are in SV?

[keen karma]

https://pokepast.es/deef5d8863912d3d

[keen karma]

vgc and bss

[dull ibex]

all 3 of those mons are bad in both

[keen karma]

actually klefki could work

[dull ibex]

also I imagine this is singles

[keen karma]

but yeah these 3 are quite underwhelming

[unique gyro]

Yes singles. What’s BSS?

[keen karma]

red u sleeping on klefki

p good defensive typing and good moveset

[dull ibex]

all 3 of your mons are severely outclasses

[keen karma]

i could def see it picking up usage in reg f

[dull ibex]

yes I get it im sleeping on every mid mon you pitch

[unique gyro]

I’m not using them as attackers, only set uppers. Check the moves

[keen karma]

it has prankster

[dull ibex]

then yes that is far too much

[keen karma]

its gonna be a tera hog tho

[dull ibex]

prankster doesnt equal not mid

[keen karma]

you said bad at first

[dull ibex]

yes its bad

[keen karma]

i agree that it's mid

not bad

[dull ibex]

grimm does screens infinitely better

there is literally no reason to klef to rise in usage

especially with whim coming back

[unique gyro]

I’m planning on giving kricketune a focus sash to make sure I get that sticky web up asap

[dull ibex]

you don't want sticky webs rn

[keen karma]

its a tr setter with screens

i think thats reason enough

[dull ibex]

so is whimsicott

[keen karma]

and relatively decent bulk

[dull ibex]

so its not good enough

[unique gyro]

Why

[dull ibex]

none of the webs setters are good enough to justify it

you are better off with spikes or rocks

[keen karma]

whimsicott is gonna be okidogi food

[dull ibex]

cope

[unique gyro]

That’s what A-Dugtrio and Klefkei are for. Going to be setting up spikes, t wave, and screens with klefkei agter kricketune gets KO’d and then use rocks and memento with A-Dugtrio to bring in my sweeper.

[keen karma]

what is there to cope about

its just tru okidogi im hoping will be good

[dull ibex]

you are not only using the mid setters of these things but also dedicating three mons to set u p

[keen karma]

do ppl even use whims for screens

[next stump]

it was low usage rate last gen

[keen karma]

or tr

[next stump]

but always a possibility

[unique gyro]

That’s why I asked if 3 set uppers were too many? You guys just started roasting me on using the worst mons in the league. 🙃

[dull ibex]

dude tbh I told yes it was too many

im not roasting you im trying to offer you better solutions

if you want to keep this team go ahead! add some attackers

[unique gyro]

You haven’t given me any. I’ll gladly take all feedback. I’m new to the competitive scene

[dull ibex]

you'll want to pick a hazard to focus on

[next stump]

cookie cutter whimsicott set last gen was moonblast/tailwind/charm/protect or a 4th support move

[dull ibex]

spikes, webs, screens, rocks

[unique gyro]

Seems like focus sash is less and less used these days on random. Is that correct? Maybe I could focus on webs to focus my attackers on attack and def stats

[dull ibex]

why webs?'

[keen karma]

this 4 would prolly make for a really fun team

[unique gyro]

I don’t like having my attackers being out sped

[dull ibex]

then use the mega fast pokemon

[unique gyro]

Like?

[dull ibex]

if you are using webs you have to go with ribombee

it seems like the only one that's in OU

[keen karma]

cotton guard is gonna be on my whims

[unique gyro]

I guess I could use Hawlucha and have the ability unburden.

[dull ibex]

then you need something to proc it

[mellow barn]

Got to speedrun Violet to get playable pokemon

[dull ibex]

or use rentals

[dull ibex]

unburden only works if you have a way to remove the item

[unique gyro]

Close combat/white herb

[dull ibex]

too much time

you want it turn one activated

[keen karma]

this might be a solid 6 for charlotte

[dull ibex]

a grassy seed+rillaboom is the go too

[unique gyro]

Rillaboom - u-turn - hawlucha grassy seed?

[dull ibex]

usually yeah

[unique gyro]

Brave bird, close combat, roost, swords dance?

[dull ibex]

nah

you probably want flying press

[mellow barn]

How broken will meta be when Incineroar comes crashing down?

[dull ibex]

what?

[next stump]

the meta will honestly be mostly the same with just a few new pieces

[keen karma]

imma not keep theory crafting tho

[mellow barn]

Just wondering if it comes to Violet and Scarlet

[next stump]

the vast majority of DLC pokémon are cheeks

[dull ibex]

so the thing with incin

[keen karma]

unfortunately

[dull ibex]

it cant really be stopped without ditching intim

[keen karma]

harcanine will show its place in the meta once again

[dull ibex]

incin isnt the probelm itself

[dull ibex]

it is right now

[next stump]

i wonder if h arc will win its 5th tournament in a row this weekend

[keen karma]

there is another regional?

[dull ibex]

I think harc falls when we get incin

[next stump]

there’s an event even bigger than a regional

[placid thorn]

Is this weekend the regional?

[mellow barn]

Hisuan Arcanine is a good boy

[next stump]

latin america international championships

Friday-Sunday

[keen karma]

holy shit

streamed on pokemon channel???

[next stump]

yes

[mellow barn]

🙂

[placid thorn]

Good stuff

[next stump]

i can’t wait to watch

[mellow barn]

Same, wanna see the meta

And pros play

[next stump]

get ready for a lot of tornadus urshifu teams hahaha

and moon balance stuff

[dull ibex]

yeah im ngl I have no idea how to build webs

I build rocks HO and that's it

[mellow barn]

Hey! I am running one!

[unique gyro]

What’s the current meta? Is there a list of the best teams we could build around? Also what’s the best steel type sweeper?

[dull ibex]

the closest thing we got to a steel sweeper is heatran

[unique gyro]

What about Kingambit ?

[dull ibex]

https://pokepast.es/7404f791210abd24 this is a sticky webs team

[dull ibex]

I mean ig so but gambit mostly clicks sucker punch or kowtow no?

[mellow barn]

Heatran @ Life Orb
Ability: Flash Fire
Level: 50
Tera Type: Grass
EVs: 252 HP / 252 SpA / 4 SpD
Modest Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

• Flash Cannon
• Protect
• Lava Plume
• Earth Power

Something like this?

[dull ibex]

this is for singles

[mellow barn]

Ah!

[dull ibex]

also as a doubles set no

heatwave >

[keen karma]

you should go to charlotte regional

and you too red

[dull ibex]

im ngl man I dont know how to build for BSS I build for OU

[dull ibex]

no once again

[next stump]

i was considering it but flights there are hella expensive

it’s like $75 to fly to Knoxville

and $300+ to fly to Charlotte

[keen karma]

damn

[mellow barn]

I am not sure if I am able to compete in europe

[next stump]

you can, there’s european events as well

[dull ibex]

From what I can tell of BSS its just hyper offense every game

[unique gyro]

I’m not a fan of doubles. There’s already too much rng in singles I feel like doubles will cost me a switch or two

[next stump]

just depends where you live and where you’re willing to travel to

[dull ibex]

https://www.pikalytics.com/pokedex/homebss

[dull ibex]

Doubles isnt rng heavy most good teams aim to mitigate it

[mellow barn]

Scandinavian countries any? Anywhere else might be costly

[keen karma]

charlotte is like the main event im getting this year

hopefully they host some other reg f tourneys before

or im stuck with limitless

[dull ibex]

also yeah unfortunately the majority of this chat is doubles

so it will take a while for someone to show up that can help you

[next stump]

Poland in two weeks, Germany in 2 months, UK in 2 months, Germany again in 3 months, Sweden in 6 months

so you’ve got a Sweden regional in there

[mellow barn]

My Violet game froze on black screen....

Sweden is the closest 🤔

[keen karma]

has there ever been a regional in places other than charlotte

or do they tend to operate at the same places

[dull ibex]

toronto

[next stump]

in NC?

[keen karma]

yea

[dull ibex]

charolette is the major city better to operate there

[next stump]

i don’t think so, is charlotte your guys’ largest city

[dull ibex]

yes charolette is the major one

[next stump]

they try to locate these near large airports

[keen karma]

ah makes sense

raleigh would've been super cool

[mellow barn]

I don't consider even trying until I get to master ball rank

[dull ibex]

also sorry if i came off rude at all im not trying to shit on your ideas, im a little tired so my attitude is a little worse i do apologize

[keen karma]

yeah you gotta work on that

are you at work or something rn

[dull ibex]

Im usually fine

I don't work

[keen karma]

take a nap then

like 30 min power nap

[dull ibex]

I woke up an hour ago

no nap

[keen karma]

8 hrs?

[unique gyro]

It’s alright. I don’t think I want to get into the online Pokémon battle thing. Too stressful for me. I’ll pass

[dull ibex]

I do heavily reccomend doubles I can help you alot more

you picked the format not as widely available

the majority of players play OU which is smogon singles on showdown

or vgc which is in game doubles

[dull ibex]

does this imply me being rude is a common thing lmao

[keen karma]

you just have a snarky attitude

[dull ibex]

examples?

I think im usually pretty civil until people push my buttons

[keen karma]

also you tend to take unneeded offense to some things i say

holy shit scary face grimm

[dull ibex]

oh what you like responding to me saying I beat you with the "Im not at my full power" comment

if that's the case idk what you want saying that, is incredibly reductive of wins

[keen karma]

like i mean

tbh im saying that to sound corny

you seem overly serious

[dull ibex]

yeah because it comes accross painfully arrogant and reductive of my team

the probelm with jokes is text is not easy to read

im sure most of my jokes are dry and arrogant

like when I insult monke

[keen karma]

perhaps thats why your entire group thinks i have an ego 😂

[dull ibex]

everyone thinks you have an ego because you said arrogant things and never clarified you were trolling or joking

[keen karma]

some of the times i wasnt joking but it was retaliation

[dull ibex]

also man no offense getting kicked from a chat for an arrogance probelm, then naming yourself egotistical doyle

is incredibly arrogant and leaves a bad impression

[keen karma]

😂

[dull ibex]

you really just don't do yourself any favors and can't really take criticism

[keen karma]

well i mean i only dont take criticism when what im saying is actually correct

[dull ibex]

and that's not ego?

[keen karma]

people start getting mad at me because im insistant on it then like a day later start agreeing just because someone else said the exact same thing

[dull ibex]

When has that happened?

[keen karma]

talking with drago recommending an ev spread that involves speed into hands

he said no hands never runs speed

[dull ibex]

that's drago probelm

I think that turbo is a thing

but its almost never used

saying its never used is just wrong

[dull ibex]

I think you also take this too literally

when someone says "its never ran" they almost always mean its super rare

which is never wrong alot of the stuff you pitch is super off meta and rare

which isnt a probelm tbf

[bold geode]

Man
Are we really doing this shit now

[keen karma]

they may be off meta but they come with feats!!!

[dull ibex]

yeah and they work for you

but alot of the time people are looking for common meta stuff that is provenm

and you pitch off meta ideas as that

[keen karma]

man i really didnt think abt this

scary face solves the grimmsnarl problem with no consistent speed control

[dull ibex]

thunderwave is common

or atleast it used to be 🤔

[mellow barn]

Grimmsnarl is interesting one

[keen karma]

scary face is more consistent and kinda solves the same problem

[dull ibex]

fair enough

[keen karma]

unless its just that much faster

• its 100%

[dull ibex]

I was told twave, scary face is a toss up anyways so eh

[mellow barn]

Yawn is just better Hypnosis

[keen karma]

yes

it forces switches

its a great pin

[dull ibex]

yawn is great yeah

[keen karma]

dude

[keen karma]

scary face enamorus t...

[mellow barn]

Btw there is mystery gift Dragopult in Latin International stream

[dull ibex]

but also dicey dungeons >>>>>>> /s

[dull ibex]

I should claim that

but I already have a shiny pult 🤔

[keen karma]

im getting it

[mellow barn]

IT'S FREE COMP POKEMON

[keen karma]

but do you have a cherish ball pult

[dull ibex]

nope

[mellow barn]

Based on 2023 team of latin player.

Dragapult @ Choice Band
Ability: Clear Body
Tera Type: Ghost

• Dragon Darts
• Phantom Force
• U-turn
• Tera Blast

Seems legit 🤔

[dull ibex]

yeah its very good

[keen karma]

why tf does snarl not get glare

[mellow barn]

Does Grimmsnarl have Snarl attack`?

Does Grimmsnarl snarl?

[dull ibex]

i think so

oh look at that

[mellow barn]

[dull ibex]

weird

[mellow barn]

Snarl... Grimmsnarl not snarl...

[keen karma]

https://pokepast.es/2f711af6f6fafee1

[dull ibex]

🤔

[gloomy crescent]

@dull ibex the teams come together

Coming I mean

[dull ibex]

ay?

make any changes

[gloomy crescent]

It's zacian calyrex ice rider and lapras so far might need to change the lapras

It's a chunky gmax tho

800hp no evs or ivs trained

Nor level 100 so

[chrome knot]

put it in the middle

so it looks normal at first and like add moves to the others