The real climb begins now
#competitive_discussion
dapper crag
mellow barn
The real climb begins now
Yeah, but tomorrow. I need some rest 
dapper crag
Smart
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_GPYZRWfaGo
Been watching the Pittsburgh regional games and I must admit what a set of games. They made so many defensive switch ins in game 1 I couldn't even keep up. I'd be sweating so hard lol
mellow barn
Sometimes I feel like switching pokemon is a bad play. Any tips on that if you don't wanna keep pokemon on field to die?
next stump
typically your team has pokémon that covers each others weaknesses decently well
Like say you lead Heatran, and they have Urshifu-Water
normally, as the Heatran player, you’d bring something like Rillaboom or Amoonguss to switch in to the incoming water attack
sometimes you can get around having to switch by using protect or using your tera
dapper crag
I'm learning so much about defensive playstyle watching pros. I undervalued watching actual games. Tofu is 100% right
mellow barn
Also one of my games I was able to secure double protect 
Got enough stall to wait opponents tailwind to turn off
dapper crag
Got enough stall to wait opponents tailwind to turn off
Nice, I'm a firm believer in this. Some disagree about it being a thing but it's like just so good to recognize that pattern and try to play it out
Then they're angry at you for being ''lucky'' lol smh
mellow barn
I mean it was 50/50 and would have lost. Also my bulk was good 
dapper crag
Yeah, I only build defensive/bulky teams now
It's so easy to get KOs but it's much harder to try to come back into position on the board
mellow barn
Also Sitrus Berry has come to clutch multiple times, thanks for that!
What I was suprised was psyhic terrain stops taunts and fake outs
crude pollen
Only stops taunts from Prankster mons
next stump
psychic terrain stops all priority moves, definitely something to remember for future games
mellow barn
Ah! I always thought they were planning on trick room
dapper crag
psychic terrain stops all priority moves, definitely something to remember for f...
Doesn't it allow priority that is only affecting your side ?
dapper crag
Also Sitrus Berry has come to clutch multiple times, thanks for that!
Sitrus is just so good, it saves your ass when you don't realize it
Especially the tankier the Mon
crude pollen
https://pokepast.es/0ec04d6bd7e5c5de
Sand team I've been hovering around 3k with. Thoughts on cutting the Farigiraf for a scarf Thundurus-T?
Far has been feeling too fragile, but helps cut through Weezings
next stump
yeah you can tailwind on your own side for example
molten oasis
Okidogi or Goltres?
next stump
just can’t do stuff affecting your opponent
dapper crag
Okidogi or Goltres?
Galarian Moltres is a Pokemon I've seen and I can't wrap my head around. Nasty Plot + Berserk is scary
molten oasis
It’s a good Mon
dapper crag
But you've got already 3 special attackers
So Okidogi might be better for your team right
molten oasis
I wouldn’t exactly consider a9 a primary attacker or bundle
They both are more on the supportive side
mellow barn
https://pokepast.es/0ec04d6bd7e5c5de
Sand team I've been hovering around 3k with...
Would work, don't have much experiance comp but scarf legendary is always good. But why Thundurus?
crude pollen
Would work, don't have much experiance comp but scarf legendary is always good. ...
To allow safer openings against water Urshifus
molten oasis
Torn and thundy both threaten shifu
next stump
To allow safer openings against water Urshifus
does rillaboom + gastrodon being on the team help deal with Urshifu enough?
molten oasis
But thundy has overall more consistent ways to ruin shifus day ig
mellow barn
I see
crude pollen
Maybe been too easy to read, but gastro has been getting sniped so it hasn't been able to perform as well as I liked
mellow barn
Sand Veil Garchomp or Gliscor? 
nocturne holly
https://pokepast.es/e8afe151023eb30b
Dogi
next stump
252+ Atk Miracle Seed Tera-Grass Rillaboom Grassy Glide vs. 44 HP / 4 Def Urshifu-Rapid Strike in Grassy Terrain: 208-248 (114.9 - 137%) -- guaranteed OHKO
molten oasis
IM STILL 50/50 DAMMIT
next stump
Farig + Rilla could be your answer into Urshifu stuff
nocturne holly
I fucking love dogi
next stump
you threaten an OHKO and if they switch into something like Amoonguss, you pressure with psychic
nocturne holly
IM STILL 50/50 DAMMIT
good thing I’m here 😊
nocturne holly
https://pokepast.es/e8afe151023eb30b
This is very reminiscent of my team
molten oasis
No cigar you made it 50/50 again
It was tilted towards goltres
Like they both offer different things
crude pollen
How are you feeling against psyspam?
molten oasis
But I need a set up Mon in the last spot
I have Tran and rilla
And screens
I’ve considered av Tran
And then sitrus rilla
next stump
AV Heatran has a lot of matchups where you were wishing you had a different item IMO
I played like 100ish games with it and it’s definitely good
but most matchups you barely see any special attackers
molten oasis
True, having protect for lando is super nice
next stump
or you really really want protect
molten oasis
Yea, I’ll keep lefties then
next stump
but there are times where you’re facing down something like Chi-Yu/Flutter and you can eat up a Shadow Ball + Dark Pulse easier
molten oasis
And I have no reason to be mad when Magma storm misses 
molten oasis
but there are times where you’re facing down something like Chi-Yu/Flutter and y...
That’s true
echo seal
dudunsparce is the GOAT
molten oasis
I don’t even know what exactly I do into chi flutter here
Besides the lead
Being rilla and heat
echo seal
crude pollen
Have you considered a third set up option-nasty plot Hydreigon? Have a dragon, fairy, steel core?
molten oasis
I don’t think hydreigon is good like
nocturne holly
bro that’s dogi/goltres
nocturne holly
+Hydreigon kinda sux rn
dapper crag
I don’t even know what exactly I do into chi flutter here
Heatrn is so good into these two
molten oasis
I could fill it with a dragon
nocturne holly
Low ladder cts is fucking hell
next stump
gotta slog through the shit for 10-15 games
dapper crag
Yea until they click dark pulse and shadow ball
With a partner threatening Fake Out it shouldn't be that bad no ?
molten oasis
Chi yu runs Tera ghost for that reason
nocturne holly
got to 1154 in like 45 min, gonna stop before I lose my mind
my gxe is only ducking 50%
molten oasis
Ok here’s a better question
https://pokepast.es/6478477ff6c7b0f0
https://pokepast.es/22ed9b6c6115632e
Which one looks better
nocturne holly
Dogi but I’m biased
Both look like they’ll work fine tho
Imo poison jab/gunk shot over knock off on dogi
dapper crag
Chi yu runs Tera ghost for that reason
Then kill one in return and you have Tera advantage no ?
molten oasis
The tricky thing about that matchup with my lead
Chi yu could just click overheat
And fluttermane clicks protect or something
dapper crag
Stop thinking your opponent will always have the perfect read
Even the best players can't cover for everything lol
molten oasis
:/
dapper crag
You've giving way too much credit to lowbies
nocturne holly
https://pokepast.es/9944bd7e28ed9ca0 bro I’ve been struggling to competitive mons with this
molten oasis
Objectively the safest play my opponent could make there is dp and ball into rilla
nocturne holly
It’s fucking annoying
I did so fucking good yesterday and now I’m playing like shit
molten oasis
It’s just simply a hard lead to handle
molten oasis
https://pokepast.es/9944bd7e28ed9ca0 bro I’ve been struggling to competitive mon...
What?
dapper crag
Objectively the safest play my opponent could make there is dp and ball into ril...
You always threaten one KO in return no matter what they do
molten oasis
You always threaten one KO in return no matter what they do
Unless rilla dies
Heat doesn’t Ohko either
dapper crag
Heatran tend to OHKO Flutter Mane with Chi-Yu debuff
I've yet to see one flutter mane surviving a darn Flash Cannon
nocturne holly
DUDE WHAT THE FUCK IS THIS SHIT
molten oasis
76+ SpA Heatran Flash Cannon vs. 68 HP / 4 SpD Flutter Mane: 102-122 (73.3 - 87.7%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
Oh wait
nocturne holly
TERA DARK DARK PULSE SPECTRIER
dapper crag
76+ SpA Heatran Flash Cannon vs. 68 HP / 4 SpD Flutter Mane: 102-122 (73.3 - 87....
Chi-Yu debuff also 76 sp.a Heatran ? give it some love pls
molten oasis
76+ SpA Beads of Ruin Heatran Flash Cannon vs. 68 HP / 4 SpD Flutter Mane: 134-162 (96.4 - 116.5%) -- 81.3% chance to OHKO
nocturne holly
FUCK THIS
molten oasis
So ig it’s likely
molten oasis
Chi-Yu debuff also 76 sp.a Heatran ? give it some love pls
It’s for bulk, I make ev spreads in the order of, speed>bulk>attack
Heatran doesn’t need a ton as it wants to be living hits
molten oasis
Cigar just, chill lol
nocturne holly
it’s just gonna go downhill from this
next stump
play the mandatory OTS ladder
nocturne holly
lemme try that
dapper crag
Even with Leftovers Substitute I don't run below 156 modest on my Heatran
molten oasis
I only play CTS if I don’t have time to do bo3 or I’m feeling out a team
Otherwise bo3 ladder
nocturne holly
I feel like I’m losing sight of my team
dapper crag
I feel like I’m losing sight of my team
what is it ?
molten oasis
Break time
nocturne holly
I feel like im trying to pick up too mnay knockouts
I need to play slower and leverage dengo
dapper crag
oh you're still on the Gholdengo Life Orb ?
nocturne holly
Yea
dapper crag
@nocturne holly mind posting what you're running again ?
nocturne holly
<@868858001866510336> mind posting what you're running again ?
I’m tryna pickup too many ohkos
I need play slower
dapper crag
What about someone with Fake Out over Farigiraf ?
nocturne holly
I think landot lead is pretty scary for my team
nocturne holly
What about someone with Fake Out over Farigiraf ?
Like what?
dapper crag
Like what?
Iron Hands, not original but it wins me games and I don't know why
It sticks on the field + AV is not contested on your team
dapper crag
I think landot lead is pretty scary for my team
Yeah you lack Ice/Water coverage, that's not helping
nocturne holly
Iron Hands, not original but it wins me games and I don't know why
I don’t like the shared coverage with shifu
And it makes shifu share typing with both moms
And landot fucks me up even more
dapper crag
Yeah I get that
nocturne holly
Idk I think it’s just a piloting issue
My main problem today was going for too many ohkos, wasting my resources, causing having me to have bad switches
dapper crag
what about cutting Farigiraf for Iron Bundle ?
nocturne holly
Bundle and moon are kinda doing the same thing
dapper crag
Ogerpon-Wellspring ?
nocturne holly
I feel like giraffe can be optimized into a different mon
It’s just anti tr/prio
I mean it can be useful
But it’s just staying there on the field doing minimal chip damage while being good for tr/prio
dapper crag
Hands was sort of doing that in my book with Fake Out and being slow
bold geode
Me make porkchops
bold geode
Right
I made the porkchops in crockpot too
Crockpots and air fryers go hard
bold geode
Fuck yeah baby
dapper crag
Now when we say we're cooking it's no longer teambuilding lmao
bold geode
Yeah
#competitive_crockpot
molten oasis
LOL
molten oasis
He had axe kick h Liligant
I Tera fairied my Tran
It just missed
And it killed him (he was at half hp)
charred saddle
half of max hp 
dapper crag
At the same time, I did use High Jump Kick Cinderace in Singles
But why o why would you run this over Close Combat on Lilligant is beyond me !
Weezing stonks are going to rise, Wolfey won a tournament with it lol
dapper crag
should I use multiscale or inner focus on dragonite (VGC)
right now Inner Focus unless you want chonky Dragonite
It's the best defensive ability in the format imo
dawn crown
okty
dapper crag
You can't Fake Out Chien-Pao Dragonite which is pretty broken (Pao runs Ghost Tera)
dawn crown
also when dragonite is running tera normal extreme speed what item do i run while being able to use protect
would i use life orb or something like normal gem
dapper crag
would i use life orb or something like normal gem
Good old Choice Band
this + sword of ruin ability from Chien-Pao = stupid amount of damage
dull ibex
would i use life orb or something like normal gem
Life orb for sure
Band is better though it's worth it to give up protect
heady onyx
Go Choice Band, don't think you're giving up Protect, choice band locks you into one move so you're not giving up anything really
molten oasis
What is happening
heady onyx
Been trying a rental with Choice Band Dragonite last few games, this is a truck. Straight up machine
heady onyx
I'm trying out rentals, got my ass whooped in Master Ball lol
molten oasis
Banded lando is something else lol
Does a good 70-80% to iron hands
Which btw is nuts
molten oasis
It didn’t load but it makes sense lol
heady onyx
oh can't use gif yet
heady onyx
I lost 5,000 ranks in Master Ball in 7 games
Things were too nice I think
I got placed really high lol
dull ibex
Go Choice Band, don't think you're giving up Protect, choice band locks you into...
but you literally are giving up protect
heady onyx
That's a pessimist way to look at things lol
dawn crown
Ok so i made my team w dragonite and the choice band is insane
it 50% iron hands
crazy
protect doesnt seem to be a problem
dawn crown
its so annyoing that everyone i play now uses Weezing because Wolfey used it 😭
dull ibex
outrage and espeed are crazy
dull ibex
its so annyoing that everyone i play now uses Weezing because Wolfey used it 😭
where are you on ladder?
dull ibex
masterball? or showdown
dawn crown
showdown
dull ibex
that's a decent placement
dawn crown
really?
dull ibex
yeah that's pretty good for someone new
dawn crown
thanks
dull ibex
im in 1300 because im lazy and inconsistent
I should be in 1400-1500 for my skill level tbh
dawn crown
i wanted to make orthworm work but weezing killed my garchomp earthquake earth eater
dull ibex
🤔
bold geode
im in 1300 because im lazy and inconsistent
With new team, I hit 1200 without a loss
Been a minute since I done that
gloomy crescent
@dull ibex I fucked up I picked the ice horse shit
Well I like ice types but you said about the shadow
mellow barn
Is there a reason to use PP up?
molten oasis
Is there a reason to use PP up?
On signatures typically
I use it on moves with 5 pp
keen karma
With new team, I hit 1200 without a loss
Been a minute since I done that
On what
next stump
y’all are smurfing
mighty stump
@dawn crown Your post has been removed due to not containing a rental image, if you wish to submit a rental team, please include the rental picture.
You have been DM'd your details so you don't have to retype everything.
keen karma
Only 58 gxe
My gxe rn with an alt is 50
aim for 60+ next time
dapper crag
Don't aim for any GxE or specific ratings
willow vault
Fun Fact: I have only gotten into the 1400s 1 time then immediately went down to the mid 1300s
dapper crag
Play games and get better simply
willow vault
I know I’m just sharing
dapper crag
wasn't answering you lol
willow vault
Alright
dapper crag
It's like someone saying I should be that mmr but I'm not. When you start caring too much about stats but not your own gameplay, it's wild.
willow vault
I know why I’m where I am, because I don’t try to improve. I’m glad I can acknowledge why my mmr is what it is
dapper crag
Isn't the simple act of playing games an improvement in itself no ?
willow vault
I don’t play all that many matches
dapper crag
Even 1 game lol
bold geode
y’all are smurfing
NOO 
bold geode
<@873399514034225202> Your post has been removed due to not containing a rental ...
Also hi Tofu
Wanna see something funny
Lol
dapper crag
That's why GxE means shit until you've got a good sample of games in my book
bold geode
I think it's still hold up
dapper crag
Too easy to make an alt and wait for a good streak to extrapolate a ''I should be that sort of rating''
bold geode
1240 66.1% 11-3
bold geode
Yeah
But usually when I do it until now, they've always looked like shit 
Fuckin lots of games 48-52%
bold geode
Well
I'd say 55% is a good mark
But 50% ain't bad either fosho when new
I don't stare at my GXE though when laddering
I just play and every now and then I'm like "did it go up? Yes cool"
dapper crag
If we all stopped focusing on stats and just played in order to get better I think the whole community would end up in a better place
Numbers sucks the fun out of it for many players I think, that doesn't just apply to Pokemon but like any competitive game with ratings.
bold geode
Yeah
Then again I also find the numbers aspect necessary too cuz it's good to reinstate that "hey one thing I'm doing is working better than another"
Like you can play and feel that, but seeing it in front of your face can help too
Which you can see that even without making alts
Shit on one account I went from 35% to 52% in the span of a month
keen karma
https://tenor.com/view/mic-drop-obama-barack-gif-13411519
damn you owned me im ngl
bold geode
keen karma
monke rate this team https://pokepast.es/131502a896067c55
im gonna try laddering a bit more different than im used too
bold geode
Ngl doesn't look that good
keen karma
thats fair
koal is mostly there for buffing flutter mane plus other damagers
but i am hard checked by rain on paper
bold geode
Feel like Hands would be better than Rilla here since you're going sun and it's like you're making Rilla's main weakness even stronger
Much like when you put Fire types on a rain team
keen karma
at the same time i need counterplay to armadd
i guess heatran would work on this team but i need a redirect
so i guess heat + rilla over oger
bold geode
True
Redirect you can have Ogerpon Hearth do that too
Follow Me Oger is always good
And in my personal opinion, it's better than SD Ogerpon
keen karma
this is why sun teams are so hard to maneuver
dull ibex
Hello losers
keen karma
get out
dull ibex
Follow Me Oger is always good
And in my personal opinion, it's better than SD Og...
team dependant tbh
bold geode
Hello losers
Welcome back to the club
dull ibex
oranguru or clops here bois
im partial to clops
dull ibex
yeah you definitely have an iq lower then 70
keen karma
im average
dull ibex
so thats never?
yeah I bet its harder for your gxe to get above 30
bold geode
I kinda walked into that tbh
keen karma
i cant tell whether you are joking or not
all of my accounts rn are at minimum 58
majority of them are 60+
dull ibex
bro if you think I don't just like banter and think your braindead you have issues lmao
bold geode
RN the same account though is 12-4 with 64.8% but still good
keen karma
bro if you think I don't just like banter and think your braindead you have issu...
thats exactly what i think
ig im braindead
keen karma
RN the same account though is 12-4 with 64.8% but still good
rip
keen karma
i rmember in reg d i went like 14-0
bold geode
180 IQ seems fuckin high
dull ibex
180 is smartest person on earth tier
bold geode
Red rolled dice for his IQ and got snake eyes
keen karma
i was trolling im only 153 iq
mellow barn
First game today and lost. I missplayed using fake out
keen karma
First game today and lost. I missplayed using fake out
its your first game
not a big deal
keen karma
use rilla
keen karma
Red rolled dice for his IQ and got snake eyes
fari makes my entire team so much better
i just realized idk why i didnt consider it
dull ibex
i was trolling im only 153 iq
he'll never tell use his iq
dull ibex
Red rolled dice for his IQ and got snake eyes
bold of you to assume i rolled two ones
keen karma
what needs an evo is indeedee
dull ibex
no it does not
dull ibex
they already gave it tr
bold geode
bold of you to assume i rolled two ones
Right
You somehow rolled a 0
dull ibex
Right
You somehow rolled a 0
how is sleeping during tourneys going
keen karma
i think this team is gonna be on the back burner until reg f
dull ibex
Mess about and get what for monke
keen karma
you know who did?
who
dull ibex
me mf
keen karma
asked?
dull ibex
I asked
keen karma
damnit
dull ibex
bro my best friend is a sarcastic prick don't jouste with the student of god
also having funny friends is great for developing witt btw lmao
mellow barn
There are no games on the ladder 
bold geode
monke cant even beat me in a friendly
?
You played and beat me once
keen karma
?
You played and beat me once
tbh i havent played you before
dull ibex
?
You played and beat me once
I beat you pretty recently
maybe you are thinking of that
keen karma
I beat you pretty recently
you havent beaten me yet 😡
dull ibex
I did
keen karma
not at my fullest
keen karma
i havent shown you my full potential
dull ibex
not at my fullest
this is deadass an excuse
mellow barn
Any good singles teams to try out?
dull ibex
tbh I won't play you if its like that
keen karma
ive become better like a different player
dull ibex
not gonna have my wins minimized
bold geode
I beat you pretty recently
Nah he beat me too
The one time I played him
dull ibex
Nah he beat me too
The one time I played him
fair
bold geode
I will admit my losses
keen karma
not gonna have my wins minimized
no one is minimizing your wins
im just saying im that much better now I will never lose again
its like i went from being naruto to being goku!
dull ibex
your arrogance is quite funny tbh
I mean im fairly certain if we played rn I'd lose tbh
dull ibex
kek
keen karma
i think i have something different goin
gloomy crescent
@dull ibex I accidentally picked the ice type horse
gloomy crescent
glastrier is also fine
Good because I deliberately did it
I like ice types alright
gloomy crescent
then why tell me it was accidental?
Idk
dull ibex
I dont really care what people use tbh
gloomy crescent
what are you afraid of judgement?
Ye
gloomy crescent
I'm always judged for picking ice types for a team
dull ibex
use what you like
gloomy crescent
is this about me calling the ice type bad or something
Also yes
dull ibex
bro ice type pokemon are fine
Chien Pao is one of the best pokemon in the format
a9 is really good, so is bundle
gloomy crescent
Chein pao isn't in swsh
dull ibex
Ye
Yeah if you are afraid of judgement you aren't getting it from me
unless you are trying to build a meta team and pick weird stuff then maybe ill have input
gloomy crescent
Yeah if you are afraid of judgement you aren't getting it from me
Oh ok
gloomy crescent
unless you are trying to build a meta team and pick weird stuff then maybe ill h...
Oh I'm gonna put covet in my ice team with glaceon
BTW that's a competitive team
Do you have input
keen karma
just grimaced my shake
tired sage
how viable is iron moth...
im trying to make a 4x weakness vgc team for no reason
mellow barn
For fun I made this sand team idea for singles. Anyone want to check and give heads up if there is something that needs to be changed 
https://pokepast.es/d0c6774438b997e7
tired sage
For fun I made this sand team idea for singles. Anyone want to check and give he...
t-tar shed tail into chomp?
orchid falcon
how viable is iron moth...
*im trying to make a 4x weakness vgc team for no reas...
GO GO GADGET LANDO EARTHQUAKE
mellow barn
tired sage
singles is 3 mons right? (im not too familiar with singles)
mellow barn
I think so
tired sage
If so, i would put sandstorm on chomp as well incase you dont bring t-tar
mellow barn
True, could take tera blast away and change tera type for steel
next stump
was metagross good in comp?
it will definitely be usable
rose torrent
anyone wanna play in pokemon showdown?
tired sage
lemme whip up a team rq
rose torrent
natdex or SV OU?
tired sage
doubles or singles?
XD
tired sage
i was gonna make a reg e team XD
rose torrent
i dont play VGC
tired sage
ah...
rose torrent
never been good with doubles really
tired sage
you pick. singles or doubles?
you can pick whatever and ill try to match it
mellow barn
Current score in Reg E in ladder 11/4 Rank 7 Great Ball Tier 🙂
rose torrent
singles
tired sage
Current score in Reg E in ladder 11/4 Rank 7 Great Ball Tier 🙂
ooo.
im..
4/6 great ball cause i dropped a bit last season
dull ibex
was metagross good in comp?
meta gross was fine until restricted
keen karma
it will definitely be usable
spectrier is gonna cook again this format
rose torrent
we doing SV ou then?
yeah im making a team
dull ibex
spectrier is gonna cook again this format
I doubt this
more mons coming in power creeps it a bit
next stump
for it to cook again
rose torrent
we can do VGC e if you want imm just not good at doubles
next stump
it needed to have cooked in the first place
rose torrent
i got a team for it but i never use it
keen karma
got it confused i meant glastrier
keen karma
i thought spectrier was the ice type
dull ibex
Restricted format shadow rider is its time
orchid falcon
i thought spectrier was the ice type
thats glasteir
dull ibex
Glastrier also needed to cook in the first place
orchid falcon
Glastrier also needed to cook in the first place
if you wanted glasteir to cook ur gonna need to give him a big kitchen
abd he will do decent
dull ibex
if you wanted glasteir to cook ur gonna need to give him a big kitchen
he can't cook he keeps cooling down the food
keen karma
Glastrier also needed to cook in the first place
actually glastrier i think could be like an alternative to bax
rn
dull ibex
actually glastrier i think could be like an alternative to bax
too slow
orchid falcon
he can't cook he keeps cooling down the food
thats why he sucks
hes kinda like munkidori
tried to cook but hes still trash lol
dull ibex
glastrier would have to be trash for that to work
orchid falcon
(even tho munkidori is better)
dull ibex
no thats wrong
keen karma
glastrier is good just not in this format
dull ibex
glastrier even though its a little underplayed is miles better then munkidori
orchid falcon
i dont see it anywhere tho
orchid falcon
i mean if you gave it trick room wouldn't it do decent?
orchid falcon
so
dull ibex
its ight
orchid falcon
like *bloodmoon*
dull ibex
glastrier clops self proc 👀
orchid falcon
does missing a move double the power of stomping tantrum and count as a fail?
tired sage
just bring back swsh meta again so i know what im doing
strange juniper
does missing a move double the power of stomping tantrum and count as a fail?
it does double the power of stomping tantrum
gloomy crescent
glastrier is good just not in this format
Is it good in the swsh format that's staying forever now
gloomy crescent
I just wanna know the swsh format if he's good
keen karma
When restricted starts
cmon man at that point its not even glast
next stump
1500 rating on the bo3 ladder let’s goooo
mellow barn
keen karma
1500 rating on the bo3 ladder let’s goooo
nice
wait is lando i good
also if it is what are good partners with it
next stump
it’s not terrible
molten oasis
cmon man at that point its not even glast
But it sorta is
next stump
it needs speed control with it IMO
mellow barn
I am getting bodied in ranked
molten oasis
Nah you don’t need lando I, just run banded lando 
keen karma
it needs speed control with it IMO
lando roaring weezing balance??
dapper crag
SableyeBot version 4.24.3
mellow barn
I begin to do misplays, taunting Goldengo, Fake Outing Tornadus which doesn nothing...
molten oasis
Wouldn’t sheer force be blocked out by neutral gas?
keen karma
Wouldn’t sheer force be blocked out by neutral gas?
you run lorb but i think you play around it
molten oasis
No shit lmao
keen karma
- since you have speed control you can run a uturn pivot
keen karma
who said anything abt ability shielf
molten oasis
I thought that was assumed
Anyway
The damage output that banded lando has is crazy
Does like 70-80% on average to hands
keen karma
ppl normally run how much on booster spe flutter?
orchid falcon
When restricted starts
so what exactly is restriced again?
keen karma
box legends
keen karma
i cant wait to wall it with weezing
orchid falcon
box legends
molten oasis
And then running redirect with it and like, swords dance I think
keen karma
i just realized
molten oasis
I think it can do well without its ability so
orchid falcon
oh wait
keen karma
zacian couldnt dynamax
orchid falcon
i have the ogerpon
keen karma
but now its in a tera format
orchid falcon
does that mean dialga and regieleki will be legal?
keen karma
behemoth blade isnt gonna do damage for shit tho
molten oasis
It got nerfed but it’s stats are fucking nuts
orchid falcon
i get it now its like Ubers in smogon
molten oasis
behemoth blade isnt gonna do damage for shit tho
100 bp steel type move is gonna do good damage wdym
dapper crag
SableyeBot version 4.24.3
molten oasis
With 150 base attack
dapper crag
SableyeBot version 4.24.3
molten oasis
That’s a no drawback 100 bp move
That’s gonna be good lol
I’ve looked into it I think it’ll be good
Idk about meta cuz, it practically doesn’t have an ability
Cuz of the nerf
But I think it’ll be plenty strong cuz it has a crazy good stat spread, good movepool, and amazing typing
They question will be am i using this in one of my restricted slots
keen karma
cant wait for life orb zacian behemoth blade
fallen garden
Zacian is just tinkaton with good attack stat
keen karma
actually now that i think abt it why do ppl not abuse cloud nine more often
in restricted formats
orchid falcon
probably will on koraidon and flutter teams
keen karma
?
orchid falcon
just imagine knowing ur gonna win and lead koraidon and flutter with sun, and some rayquaza comes in and ruins it
keen karma
no one ever uses cloud nine
orchid falcon
no one ever uses cloud nine
but what if they did
mellow barn
Which one would be better? Galarian Weezing or regular one?
lapis plover
like how are talking like Stat wise or Design Wise?
next stump
Kanto Weezing is usually considered better right now
no weakness to Gholdengo and no threat of OHKO from Heatran usually
orchid falcon
was speed boost blaziken good?
next stump
actually now that i think abt it why do ppl not abuse cloud nine more often
rayquaza is lowkey kinda ass
at least it was in gen 8
eternal kiln
rayquaza is lowkey kinda ass
Lowkey I think it’s gonna be good with Chien-pao lol
keen karma
Lowkey I think it’s gonna be good with Chien-pao lol
Does it get espeed?
eternal kiln
Damage wise it will be way better. The only difference is that rayquaza is flinchable
eternal kiln
Well nah, you can go farigiraf with it which is what I think people will actually do
keen karma
Yep
eternal kiln
Protect with no band I guess can work too
keen karma
Rayquaza fari chien rilla
orchid falcon
so is speed boost blaziken good?
keen karma
Yes
orchid falcon
kk i will add it to my dlc team then
keen karma
Well we dont know yet
agile tusk
Whats considered high ladder on random battles in showdown
next stump
I would assume top 500 but I don’t play that format
autumn vault
gliscor in ubers, ttar in RU, garchomp UUBL and alolomola, moltres are in OU and lando-t nearly UU wtf is this timeline
orchid falcon
Well we dont know yet
i meant was it good like in gen 8?
nocturne holly
aim for 60+ next time
Bruh you don’t think I know
Why do you think I’m cribbing about it?
orchid falcon
and might it have some potential in Sv
nocturne holly
60 gxe isn’t usually too hard for me to get
gloomy crescent
I been on a loosing streak <:SadLad:1022505625588072468>
Same!
mellow barn
Same!
I probably will plan another team, similar that Wolfey used to beat the tournament.
But I am not sure if I want to have Galarian or regular Weezing 🤔
gloomy crescent
I probably will plan another team, similar that Wolfey used to beat the tourname...
Wouldn't having galarian weezing get rid of the ground weakness or psychic? I forgo
dapper crag
SableyeBot version 4.24.3
nocturne holly
Wouldn't having galarian weezing get rid of the ground weakness or psychic? I fo...
no
mellow barn
Wouldn't having galarian weezing get rid of the ground weakness or psychic? I fo...
It's Psychic/Fairy
gloomy crescent
It's Psychic/Fairy
Wait what I thought it was poison fairy
mellow barn
Same stats but more moves but potential weekness
mellow barn
Wait what I thought it was poison fairy
Sorry Poison Fairy
nocturne holly
I probably will plan another team, similar that Wolfey used to beat the tourname...
Tbh I think kanto is better, galar adds extra weaknesses and imo the fairy coverage isn’t enough
gloomy crescent
Sorry Poison Fairy <:Kek:937219778450456626>
I was gonna say
nocturne holly
sludge bomb/gunk shot is the most common attacking move on it
you could run d gleam on it but 🤷♂️
gloomy crescent
Because my latias got a super effective hit on it with a psychic move
Also it says above poison fairy
nocturne holly
bro it’s not that deep 😭
mellow barn
Yeah it is, my bad saying it was Psyhic Fairy
I have a crazy idea for Tailwind user 👀
gloomy crescent
I once thought it was flying fairy
Well I thought flying poison first entill I saw that opal used it
mellow barn
https://pokepast.es/d0c6774438b997e7 Need to figure out if I wanna change stats
next stump
Naive nature 👀
gloomy crescent
Wai do you have so many poison types?
gloomy crescent
Naive nature 👀
For what?
next stump
on their pokepaste
gloomy crescent
@mellow barn I think you should change it
mellow barn
Hmm... Jolly or Adamant?
gloomy crescent
Um which ever that raises sp atk and lowers atk
Don't ask me nothing else pls I'm sleeping
nocturne holly
Hmm... Jolly or Adamant?
Landorus-Therian @ Choice Scarf
Ability: Intimidate
Level: 50
Shiny: Yes
Tera Type: Flying
EVs: 44 HP / 252 Atk / 212 Spe
Adamant Nature
- Stomping Tantrum
- Tera Blast
- Rock Slide
- U-turn
That’s a basic scarf landot spread
Hits 207 spe and then everything else is in hpI think
nocturne holly
It’s very basic, can build off of it if you choose
mellow barn
Played few games on showdown, the gliscor toxic orb doesn't work with weezing around
orchid falcon
is there a way i could test ymy DLC team on shwodown before it comes out?
karmic temple
Indigo disk dlc? The closest you can do it natdex but then you run into every other gens gimmick so hard to actually test efficiency
dapper crag
no one ever uses cloud nine
Rayquaza won Worlds not too long ago in a meta that was described and I quote as ''weather war''.
Best bet would be to simply test your team against someone
Pretty sure you can find players willing to do so in the VGC chatroom on showdown
Or here
orchid falcon
oh ye i forgot abt that
dapper crag
or you know, wait for the new ladder that should open in about 2 weeks, pretty we're getting reg F december right (on showdown)
just like we always get to test a format a few weeks ahead of the normal release, did this for reg E (which was my 1st VGC) and for Singles too.
karmic temple
Reg F won’t be official til January but yeah on showdown probably a day or two after the dlc drops they’ll add their predictions for reg f
dapper crag
Reg F won’t be official til January but yeah on showdown probably a day or two a...
Isn't gonna be all DLC Mons but restricted ? + reg E together ?
Seems they follow a cycle with nat dex for a year, Home + DLCS next year, restricted for last year
karmic temple
More than likely yes
molten oasis
Wut up
worldly gate
Yo, so im tryna get into competitive and gotta few questions
-
Do y’all MOSTLY make ur own builds or copy builds from online?
-
How do I learn how to make a good team? Training Pokemon, testing them, and revising the builds as you play?
molten oasis
What’s everyone up to
molten oasis
Yo, so im tryna get into competitive and gotta few questions
1. Do y’all MOSTLY...
- Mix of both
- play rentals
If you’re newer you do other people’s spreads
next stump
Yo, so im tryna get into competitive and gotta few questions
1. Do y’all MOSTLY...
I think most everyone here is at the point where they create their own stuff, but we have experience and also build teams based off what we see that works
- Use other people’s teams and find out what makes them strong. Adjust pieces that you think would make the team better
molten oasis
For rentals you can figure out what’s good
dull girder
Yo, so im tryna get into competitive and gotta few questions
1. Do y’all MOSTLY...
- Mix of both
- Rental teams help you test what mons you like
worldly gate
Dope, thanks all y’all and y’all all sayin the same thing makes me feel more confident about goin that route , so I fr appreciate it. I’ll start with rental teams
dull girder
Frfr the rental teams tab here is pretty fire
molten oasis
Id suggest doing Bububa (or whatever tf the name is) rental
That’s the easiest one to pilot
That I saw
My rentals are more difficult to pilot
worldly gate
Frfr the rental teams tab here is pretty fire
Tuff, i didn’t even know there were rentals in the server. I’ll definitely use the ones here. Ik most of y’all r sweats😭
dull girder
Tuff, i didn’t even know there were rentals in the server. I’ll definitely use t...
Not gonna lie, Master Ball can still be pretty tough
bold geode
Frfr the rental teams tab here is pretty fire
My rentals 🔥
worldly gate
You’re good or you’re new
True
molten oasis
My rentals 🔥
worldly gate
Not gonna lie, Master Ball can still be pretty tough
I bet bc ur goin up against ppl that always know what they’re doin and u can never have a team thats fully resistant to everything ur opponent might use
molten oasis
Yep
bold geode
<:XtoDoubt:722891803199799406>
molten oasis
A lot of the time you’ll have to learn how to get through a matchup that’s harder for you
worldly gate
A lot of the time you’ll have to learn how to get through a matchup that’s harde...
Ayo, my bad but which rental team were u saying i should start w
gentle cragBOT
abused1 (ID 1060975738678947880)
dull girder
And you might go on losing streaks tbh. Maybe it’s just me, but especially when im testing for VGC I tend to hit some slopes. It’s different for everyone.
dapper crag
Yo, so im tryna get into competitive and gotta few questions
1. Do y’all MOSTLY...
I copy stuff from good players/community
molten oasis
You can try mine if you want, its just harder to pilot
dapper crag
Building your team takes time, time you could be playing games and figuring things out
worldly gate
You can try mine if you want, its just harder to pilot
Lmao, i’ll try it after i get more familiar w moves and strategies but as of rn ik im not ready
worldly gate
Building your team takes time, time you could be playing games and figuring thin...
Word
dapper crag
Rentals or just showdown
molten oasis
I was dumb, I’ve used a rental like 2 times in my entire career
molten oasis
Rentals or just showdown
Both
worldly gate
Is that a doubles or singles team?
dapper crag
Both
That wasn't a both statement, I was suggesting or showdown answering your ''rentals are the way to go rn'' lol
molten oasis
Ok
molten oasis
Is that a doubles or singles team?
Showdown has multiple formats, including vgc
nocturne holly
Id suggest doing Bububa (or whatever tf the name is) rental
Wait which one is that
charred saddle
mine
nocturne holly
mine <:KEKWCRY:1166242454505259059>
The one called meta?
nocturne holly
Id suggest doing Bububa (or whatever tf the name is) rental
*bububaba
charred saddle
yep
i mean its easy just because its 6 mon with standard moveset lol, i might need to fix the EVs, but no time to do it for now
dapper crag
The Roarin 20s looks good for a beginner
molten oasis
Stfu I noticed
nocturne holly
lmao
charred saddle
dapper crag
No you're not stupid
dull ibex
I finally got the idea to hook up both of my docks to keep both charged and in my sight
I finally have the desk space for it 😌
dapper crag
That's not stupid lol
charred saddle
ive been wanting to have 2 swtich so i can farm raids alone 
nocturne holly
https://pokepast.es/b62162f29cdb43e2 what could I replace giraffe with?
dull ibex
https://pokepast.es/b62162f29cdb43e2 what could I replace giraffe with?
tbh I reccomend keeping farig
charred saddle
yeah, i dont see any reason to change girafe
dapper crag
I'm playing with your rental red
nocturne holly
tbh I reccomend keeping farig
its just for anti tr/prio
dull ibex
I'm playing with your rental red
which one?
nocturne holly
roarin 20s
dapper crag
which one?
Roarin 20s but I thought the ogerpon had swords dance
dull ibex
nah Im using a different roarin moon team that has sd ogerpon now though
dapper crag
really contemplating roaring moon
dull ibex
this is what I use currently
made some changes to the weezing
like physical based with gunk shot and ghost tera for fake out
dapper crag
That's the wolfey team that won tournament (at least the Mons)
charred saddle
the paste still had wrong ability and tera red
dapper crag
Watching him playing that rn, Weezing looks so good when he uses it
dull ibex
yeah its the mons with standard spreads
dapper crag
I'm jealous
charred saddle
for weezing
dull ibex
so it does 🤭
btw the pikalytics spread is wasting evs
oops nvm no its not
https://pokepast.es/2ca09709d2daff78 there we go
mane has tbolt in game
but that literally doesnt matter you don't click the fourth move
I was comtemplating making it tr tbh
charred saddle
i liked the power gem version, most Harc feels safe around flutter
and u just ohko it with power gem 
dapper crag
and u just ohko it with power gem <a:KEKWlaugh:1033574414501031986>
Even on AV ?
charred saddle
idk if AV, banded dies
dull ibex
most are band tbf
dull ibex
max hp max speed band in my case
charred saddle
so i wouldnt really think AV in Harc, but its a possibility
156 SpA Choice Specs Flutter Mane Power Gem vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Arcanine-Hisui: 158-188 (92.9 - 110.5%) -- 62.5% chance to OHKO
nvm. speed flutter doesnt ohko Harc
oh i thought that Harc dies to power gem, apparently its chance
i just calced sp atk booster mane. still no guaranteed ohko
next stump
252+ Atk Meadow Plate Tera-Grass Rillaboom Helping Hand Wood Hammer vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Ogerpon-Hearthflame in Grassy Terrain: 98-116 (63.2 - 74.8%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Grassy Terrain recovery
LOL this calc shocked me, it was the only way I could win the game and it actually KO'd
4x resist btw
nocturne holly
https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2023regulatione-1990832828 what could i have done differently here?? landot leads really fuck me up
charred saddle
heatran lead and weezing prob?
opposing sides kinda weak to heatwave, Harc will prob switch / tera since theres EP inheatran, weezing to duke out with urshifu matchup and amoonguss
thats what im thinking. not familiar with the games, or the mons
lando T and urshifu on back. flutter feels a bit weak due to dark ursh, Harc and gholdengo
nocturne holly
heatran lead and weezing prob?
opposing sides kinda weak to heatwave, Harc will...
im the other side, the side called Sour Cigar ol
charred saddle
OH HAHAH
nocturne holly
also tera fairy flutter fucks me up
charred saddle
from ur place, gholdengo feels very strong
nocturne holly
thinking of having poison jab, but sucker is really useful
nocturne holly
from ur place, gholdengo feels very strong
landot leads fuck me up, im really hesitant with it
flutter+landot was a really good lead into my team
charred saddle
prob like Harc gholdengo lead. rock slide protect to scout the move
dapper crag
landot leads fuck me up, im really hesitant with it
It tends to fuck everyone lol, lando doesn't judge
nocturne holly
no its really good into my team
nocturne holly
prob like Harc gholdengo lead. rock slide protect to scout the move
thats an easy stomping into harc
holy fuck there are so many fucking gimmick teams
charred saddle
thats a mind game between you and them, stomping to gholdengo or Harc. both doesnt like it, so it could switch or protect anytime. thats why he opted for u turn
i can also think like protect, tera Harc and rockslide is also fine
nocturne holly
im losing my fucking mind
charred saddle
or protect and switch Harc
next stump
IMO you really misplayed the turns where your opponent was asleep
you played so passively
nocturne holly
IMO you really misplayed the turns where your opponent was asleep
i agree
i had to switch a lot and that wasted a lot of the turns
im getting so fucking annoyed
and frustrated
charred saddle
take a break ig
nocturne holly
IMO you really misplayed the turns where your opponent was asleep
how could i have played more agresssivelty on those turns?
agile tusk
Most balanced random battle team😭(still won)
cyan smelt
Imo you should've targeted the flutter mane slot since they were switching that a lot
nocturne holly
im fucking done
dapper crag
Or play a team with 6 Mons that will only click Explosion
nocturne holly
im so fucking pissed at this game
nocturne holly
dude im actually playing fucking shit
1500 to 1375
what a fucking day
and now i have to take a fucking break
even though ive done shit
cyan smelt
Sounds like tilt queuing, take a break
nocturne holly
i cant
ive done shit
i gotta pump this rental
dude idfk whats wrong
two days ago i climbed all the way to 1500
last two days ive been playing like shit
charred saddle
just take a break. playing when ur tilted makes tunnel vision
dont even think about it, play when u want
when u want isnt the same as u feel the need to get the points back
cyan smelt
Or play bo3 ladder instead
nocturne holly
this game actually sux
i literally have nothing else to fucking do
my pc is too shit for other games
omfg
i fucking hate this game'
im done
dapper crag
Have you tried swapping farigiraf ?
nocturne holly
for what
dapper crag
A Fake Out user ?
Iron Hands with Volt Switch could give you some switch ins opportunities
Farigiraf always feel too passive when I face it
Must help I don't run priority outside of Fake Out
nocturne holly
volt switch is interesting
tbh i think it would be interesting
but i also really want heavy slam for the flutter mu
tera fairy flutter fucks me up
my landot mu is even shittier now tho
dapper crag
maybe you use Urshi Water ?
Does really well into Lando
You got Amoonguss Gholdengo which is a terrific lead
and you can tempo Hands Urshifu vs Lando
nocturne holly
i really wanted darkshifu on this team
but watershifu seems better in almost every away
dapper crag
Darkshifu really likes pinning stuff with Flutter/Lando around
When you're trying to set up Gholdengo/Moon and you are locked on the field with Harc it's difficult to bring it fluidly
molten oasis
itll pair really well with amoonguss
Why?
You’re gonna sac heavy slam where your tools for mane are already rough
Btw shifu does not like booster speed mane
Shifu isn’t always gonna answer for it
dapper crag
Yeah true that Heavy Slam is good for that
true maple
im trying to make a fun, unique team revolving around shiftry’s new buff with no legendaries
nocturne holly
Why?
ik
I wanna try it out
I waste a lot of my turns with switching with this team
Volt switch will let me bring in mons safely
it’s not for sure
ima try it and see how much use I get out of it
charred saddle
talon flame or killowatrel also nice TW setter
charred saddle
oh right new dlc mon
molten oasis
Volt switch will let me bring in mons safely
I really don’t think volt switch is good rn
You already stated your mane matchup is rough, I think you need heavy slam
near smelt
Do y'all get paralysis sometimes while trying to learn to team build?
molten oasis
The turns you volt switch can also be turns you could be recovering hp
Or getting chip damage
dapper crag
Do y'all get paralysis sometimes while trying to learn to team build?
Best bet is to play whatever you want and not focus too much on building what would appear to be the ''perfect'' team
nocturne holly
The turns you volt switch can also be turns you could be recovering hp
Yea
dapper crag
The end goal is playing the game and odds you won't build a really good team on your 1st attempt
nocturne holly
The turns you volt switch can also be turns you could be recovering hp
You think hands and watershifu would work better than giraffe and darkshifu?
dapper crag
With your team 100% improves your matchup into Lando Flutter by a lot
molten oasis
If shifu is scarfed yes
dapper crag
even sash
molten oasis
Or it’s be speed mane with icy wind, that’s unlikely but still
dapper crag
Eh, lando could click uturn into it while mane gleams
lando is being fake out
molten oasis
Oh right
dapper crag
Shifu gets 1 hit on whatever
which dies, then you get initiative on calling the protect or getting control depending on what they have left
Sash means you survive 1 hit, AV Hands tend to tank the worst stuff lmo
You've solved your problems with 1 2 punch lead
nocturne holly
Yea landot really fucks me over
dapper crag
another option is iron bundle
nocturne holly
Thx @dapper crag @molten oasis
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nocturne holly
another option is iron bundle
Bundle and moon are doing similar things
molten oasis
Then drop moon (kidding)
orchid falcon
whats a good EV spread for lando?
dapper crag
whats a good EV spread for lando?
Landorus-Therian @ Choice Scarf
Ability: Intimidate
Level: 50
EVs: 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spe
Adamant Nature
- Stomping Tantrum
- U-turn
- Rock Slide
- Tera Blast
Basic min/max
weary steeple
As a current weaville enjoyer, I am very annoyed it only has two abilities
Inner focus was such a good one to have y’all 
That’s what sneasal has lol.
ember linden
whats a good EV spread for lando?
Depends, you want bulky or fast lando?
weary steeple
How do y’all determine EV spreads personally?
dapper crag
How do y’all determine EV spreads personally?
Use this copy the popular ones or calc for something more precise
charred saddle
depends on your team needs. some strat relies on fast and offensive, some want just enough bulk to live certain mons
ember linden
How do y’all determine EV spreads personally?
I calc for threats like tera fairy max sp.atk moonblast, urshifu close combat, urshifu tera dark max attack wicked blowm
Just some common mons.
dapper crag
Depends, you want bulky or fast lando?
They want a good Lando spread. The max/max one won't fail you in mirror games + damage reach
weary steeple
Yee. I’m trying to find s spread for Weavile just for fun
I am gonna accept the l for moonblast but if dazzling gleam is survivable
ember linden
They want a good Lando spread. The max/max one won't fail you in mirror games + ...
I wasn't critiquing anything you said I was just wondering if they'd want my bulky lando spread.
I get it fs
next stump
How do y’all determine EV spreads personally?
start with the speed stat you want, then look at offensive calcs if it’s an offensive pokémon, then look at defensive calcs
dapper crag
Bulky would be this if you go generalist 164 HP / 52 Atk / 68 Def / 4 SpD / 220 Spe
next stump
that’s the order I typically do
weary steeple
start with the speed stat you want, then look at offensive calcs if it’s an offe...
Yee thank you!
ember linden
I run amulet bulky lando with my team, completely dif spread.
What does that one live?
orchid falcon
Landorus-Therian @ Choice Scarf
Ability: Intimidate
Level: 50
EVs: 4 HP / 252 At...
thx man
dapper crag
What does that one live?
It's the most used bulky one. It survives more stuff vs max/max
orchid falcon
is slither wing viable?
green cape
assuming I wanted to make a 4 attack assault vest eelektross, with a mixed set, what would the EV spread look like? I'm thinking 252 HP but I'm not sure how I should distribute the rest between attack and special attack
dawn crown
is it bad to have a whole team only phsyical attackers
green cape
so is this vgc or singles
molten oasis
Mostly VGC but there’s some singles people around
green cape
oh ok
molten oasis
The official pokemon discord has more singles players I believe
dapper crag
is it bad to have a whole team only phsyical attackers
You'd like some variety tbh
molten oasis
I can spell
molten oasis
You'd like some variety tbh
It still isn’t a bad thing
Most teams rn really only run 1 or 2 in the first place
dapper crag
They're not purely physical
molten oasis
Being flutter mostly
molten oasis
They're not purely physical
Ik I’m just saying, I don’t think it’s a bad thing, I’ve seen some teams with no spA
dapper crag
Free fodder for intimidate cycling
molten oasis
Moon shifu hands rilla waterpon and chien pao is a thing
I saw once
Firepon rilla shifu chien dnite and Lando is also a thing I’ve seen
dapper crag
Rule of thumbs, always run 1 special attacker
dawn crown
because my only sp attacker is iron bundle but im considering to change it to chien pao
molten oasis
Can we see a paste?
molten oasis
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