Steam 2

[dire jolt]

im not TRYING to get it... its just scroll enhancer will enhance a random scroll

and when i see glazed sight get enhanced...

lmfao these emotes are literal fox moods

[rose peak]

wait you guys dont drop 58 scrolls to make scroll enhancer enhance the thing you want every time?

[dire jolt]

https://tenor.com/view/nobody-got-time-for-that-a-intnobody-got-time-for-that-no-time-for-that-nope-no-gif-10243842

[last pagoda]

is there a site or something to find some builds? im fine with doing my own i just wanna look around for some fun stuff 🙂

[tall stone]

the wiki has some things

"oh look i got scroll enhancer"

[frosty mesa]

whats the best weapon for boss killing

[topaz aspen]

it all varies on the build you end up making and what character too

[frosty mesa]

im on an endless nona run

[carmine ermine]

Fastest firing weapon. No contest.

[topaz aspen]

well then DPS

and I am assuming Boundless?

Scalpel, Angelic Aura, Argus (with spirit inscription), Radioactive gauntlet
those are a few

[frosty mesa]

yea im on boundless

These are my current weapons

[topaz aspen]

thought so XD
Nona is not Endless Journey friendly lmao

[frosty mesa]

why?

[topaz aspen]

Thunder Storm is more so crowd control but can do a lot to bosses!

[frosty mesa]

thats why i use it, my justice is crazy for crowd control too, they are good at bosses but i wanna try get 1 shots etc

[topaz aspen]

she cant keep up with the timer as her skills and ascensions dont keep up
I will be genuinely surprised if someone can ever get past the "Struggle Phase" with Nona

[frosty mesa]

ah okay that makes sense, whats the struggle phase?

[carmine ermine]

Endless Journey stage 40-100, where enemy stats get ramped up enough that you can't keep up unless your build is really good.

[topaz aspen]

A term I coined: it's a point in endless where enemies scale so strong most characters and builds just completely die out

[frosty mesa]

oh that makes sense, im just doing boundless as it seems more fun

[topaz aspen]

Which is yeah between 40-100 but could in some cases the 30s, I still need to determine the full rough point

[topaz aspen]

Yeeee it is definitely more fun
There's never any pressure to do Endless Journey!

As it is insanely unfriendly to casual players/builds

[frosty mesa]

thats true, anything you would reccomend to improve my build?

idk the ideal nona setup tbh

[topaz aspen]

Me myself I am going to reattempt endless and not cheese it

[topaz aspen]

I don't play nona as much, but what are your scrolls?

In fact, I almost never play her XD

[topaz aspen]

90% of builds down the drain lmao

[frosty mesa]

i have alot of scrolls lol, idk if you know what all of them do

[topaz aspen]

I know what all of them do lol

If you show me them I can tell you what scrolls to prioritise enhancing

[frosty mesa]

This is all of them

[frosty mesa]

I didn’t even know you can choose which ones to enhance

[carmine ermine]

"RemOvE thE DaMaGe CaP aNd NeRf EnEMieS It RuInS My FuN!"

[topaz aspen]

Red chests offer it

[frosty mesa]

Oh ok

[topaz aspen]

"OMG NERF THE ENEMIES, DESTROY THE STRUGGLE PHASE!!" (I get to round 10 then quit)

[topaz aspen]

Enhance Take it all and Elemental Mag tho

[frosty mesa]

Yea I’ve just got them now lol

[topaz aspen]

Penetration bullet too

[frosty mesa]

Is there anyone I should do frost?

First*

[topaz aspen]

If you get Coin Shot and Fish or Bear Paw, prioritise enhancing that too

[topaz aspen]

Take it all so you can drop scrolls
Then Elemental Mag imo

[frosty mesa]

I have enhanced coin shot

[topaz aspen]

Nice

[frosty mesa]

So get take it all done first

[topaz aspen]

Weren't paying attention to your enhanced lol

[topaz aspen]

Yeah I would

As that scroll has one of the worst downsides in the game

[frosty mesa]

Yea it does, could we vc so I can ask some things about the game? I prettty new so don’t understand a lot of the stuff

[topaz aspen]

I'm not at my desk and am a little busy, sorryyyyy...

[frosty mesa]

It’s all good don’t worry

[topaz aspen]

I'm also a pretty shy person

[frosty mesa]

That’s all cool man

Is the justice actually a good weapon?

[topaz aspen]

Good for crowd control

I wouldn't use it for bosses tho

Me personally tho

[frosty mesa]

Yea I like the one I have as it gives 0.2 projectiles per kill

[topaz aspen]

I have a few favourite guns myself

They also turn out to be monstrously effective in boundless and mostly endless

[frosty mesa]

What are they

[topaz aspen]

Radioactive Gauntlet
Rainbow
Argus
Thunder Storm
Angelic Aura
Scalpel

[frosty mesa]

I like the ang aura although I find it’s damage is pretty bad

[topaz aspen]

It's one of the top choices in Boundless and Endless

[frosty mesa]

How

[carmine ermine]

Once you hit the damage cap for other higher damage weapons, Angelic Aura's low damage will still keep rising.

[topaz aspen]

When you scale enough and it damage cap or close to it, you deal one of the highest DPS in the entire game

[frosty mesa]

What’s the damage cap?

[topaz aspen]

I need to find that message

I detailed it all

[carmine ermine]

The base is 10 mil for weapons and 30 mil for skills.

Elemental effectiveness, Combustion and some other things will boost the damage beyond those.

[topaz aspen]

How do you search in threads on mobile?

Because I've detailed every damage cap

[frosty mesa]

So by damage cap do you mean actual number on the weapon screen or the damage dealt after all boosts etc

[carmine ermine]

Damage dealt.

Though the weapon card also has a cap.

100,000 I believe.

[topaz aspen]

The damage cap is of course the limit to how hard you can hit

10 mil is normal type weapon damage cap

15 mil is weapon type damage with element that works against certain defense types

7.5 mil is weapon damage that doesnt work well against certain defense types

30 mil is base skill damage cap

22.5 is skill dmg cap with element that doesnt work against certain defense types

45 mil is skill dmg cap with element that works against certain defense types

90 mil is only achieved by pyrodominance (crown prince ) and furious wave on enemies marked with fatal bloom (Tao )

True Damage is not affected by the damage cap at all (Miasma, Arcane Ascension's thunder step (thunderous arcanum), Bloody Drill bleed damage, Ice Blade etc) so then can go unlimited!

the only way to keep up with the enemies with damage cap is all about how quick you can scale and how fast you can hit, so sadly gameplay become less diverse the further you go into endless (you are fine with boundless as there is no rush and they scale slower)

hope this helps

@frosty mesa

[carmine ermine]

In endless/boundless, hit count is king, because everything eventually hits the damage cap.

[frosty mesa]

Oh that makes sense

How do I know when I’m at damage cap?

[topaz aspen]

You'll see the numbers I have detailed

[carmine ermine]

If you're seeing a swarm of perfectly rounded numbers over enemy heads.

[frosty mesa]

Okay that makes sense

For the justice it’s 15mill correct?

[carmine ermine]

7.5 or 15 mil.

Depends on who you're shooting.

[topaz aspen]

^
As it's elemental

[frosty mesa]

I’m only doing about 700k a hit

[topaz aspen]

@carmine ermine could this be pinned in case someone asks how damage cap works?

Or something

[carmine ermine]

I dunno, maybe.

[frosty mesa]

Do any weapons not have a damage cap?

[topaz aspen]

Would be useful for players if this were pinned or put in a place for people who want to learn it :)

[topaz aspen]

All have a damage cap but bloody drill and argus have ADDITIONAL damage that is true damage

[carmine ermine]

Technically any weapon that can inflict True damage has no cap, but no weapon uses it as their main means of dealing damage.

[frosty mesa]

What is true damage? As I see a scroll gives up to 2000 true damage but that seems pretty low

[carmine ermine]

Stuff like instant kills, Bloody Drill's bleed, Argus's spirit inscription, Miasma, Poisonous Ghost's blade wave, Ice Blade, Giant Slayer...

[topaz aspen]

Giant Slayer uses fixed true damage

But true damage is a factor of damage that can scale infinitely

[frosty mesa]

I’m not sure what true damage actually is tho, how it works

[carmine ermine]

Keep in mind, most sources of true damage either have an internal cap, like Giant Slayer or Ice Blade vs bosses, or use another damage type to base the true damage off of, which is subject to the cap.

[topaz aspen]

True damage works in a lot of ways

[carmine ermine]

True damage is, simply put, "You deal X damage. Nothing can raise or lower it except literal invincibility."

[topaz aspen]

Shadow Broom (Ice Blade spiritual link) is one of the best true damage attacks lmao

[carmine ermine]

Enemy health type? Enemy defences? Your own bonuses and penalties? Other modifiers? True Damage doesn't care.

[frosty mesa]

So can true damage be put like this.
An enemy has 1000 total hp before any defensive buffs etc as (true hp) count and then say I deal 1500 true damage in a hit it will insta kill the enemy no matter what buffs it has

[topaz aspen]

True damage is like the rebellious kid of damages: it doesn't follow rules lol

[topaz aspen]

Yeppies

True damage can scale forever, it doesn't care about damage caps

[frosty mesa]

Okay so for most weapons it says it deals a million per hit but that’s just because the enemy has high defensive buff right? And then true damage is kinda like what damage the player receives when you die it says a certain enemy does 100 damage a hit etc

[topaz aspen]

True damage ignores everything about an enemy like their defense and all

[frosty mesa]

Okay that makes sense

So it essentially just disintegrates thier health bar

[topaz aspen]

Mhm!

[carmine ermine]

Yes.

[topaz aspen]

(Other than giant slayer lmao)

[carmine ermine]

The hard part is getting access to it in a way that disintegrates their health bar, because it's a rare damage type that often doesn't follow your rules for disintegrating enemies.

[frosty mesa]

My best bet to get it is ice blade right?

[topaz aspen]

Shadow Broom is one of the only ones you can control you be absolutely crazy

[carmine ermine]

Best examples are Miasma and Ice Blade, because it is based on the enemy's HP, not your overwhelming damage.

[frosty mesa]

All I’m hearing is ice blade does infinite damage so get that to be op

[topaz aspen]

Spirit Argus is the ultimate Boss Destroyer if you scale enough, since that scales depending on your damage itself

[topaz aspen]

Well, Shadow Broom (Ice blade's spiritual link) does scale infinitely wirh rounds yeah

[carmine ermine]

Less "infinite damage" and more "kills everything at the same speed".

It's never going to kill an enemy in 1 hit like your weapons and skills can against those with low enough HP.

But once you hit the cap and enemies keep getting tougher, it'll start becoming more and more useful.

[frosty mesa]

So what’s the the best setup for destroying everything with it?

[topaz aspen]

well first ofc you need Shadow Broom which is the spiritual link for it
to make it deals 10% of total HP instead of current HP
and then you need to prioritise building Tao's Primary ascensions and get enough cooldown

[frosty mesa]

damn so im the wrong character lol

[dire jolt]

https://tenor.com/view/ceroba-uty-hello-chat-gif-12493526984875149192

Did someone say Thunder Storm?

[topaz aspen]

silly pew pew zappy zappy? YES!

[dire jolt]

i do agree its an easy gun to pick up / learn. and its very elemental blendy friendly. my favorite elemental gemini mixing is shock + burn effect.

[frosty mesa]

@topaz aspen what does fish and bear paw do?

[topaz aspen]

has a chance to half your shot's damage but hit twice, the less projectiles the gun has, the more likely it will trigger it (if the gun has just 1 projectile it is guaranteed)
extremely useful in boundless/endless

[frosty mesa]

oh so for my justice its not very good then

[topaz aspen]

it is good for any gun

[frosty mesa]

oh okay, i just got the enchanced one

[topaz aspen]

makes it even better

because then it cuts the damage penalty to -20% total DMG

[frosty mesa]

thats good then

im hitting damage cap now tho so i need to find a good angelic aura or scalpal, what inscritions should i go for

[topaz aspen]

anything that increases RoF and Projectile count pretty much

[frosty mesa]

okay cool

so try and get as much Rof as possible

[topaz aspen]

and projectiles yeeeee

argus is also a beast if you get the spirit inscription

[frosty mesa]

whats the spirit insciption?

ive not found a redchest which lets me enhance my scrolls lol

@topaz aspen is this good?

[topaz aspen]

pretty decent!

[frosty mesa]

I got rid of it as it’s not an enhanced one so gunna try get one with more stats

[frosty mesa]

whats the best hound setup for pure damage?

[carmine ermine]

You can also enhance weapons with red chests.

[frosty mesa]

oh i didnt know that

ive never seen it before

[regal crag]

shock + burn + corrosive ring = big damage

shock and burn deal extra damage and corrosive ring allows combustion for even more damage

and miasma triggering off the ring

[dire jolt]

yeah i have some weapons Specifically for support for my main weapon. because they provide some really BIG benefits

[dire jolt]

Like... I use this for my Multiple-Illusion build that has a RoF increase line on it and since it has multiple hits, and a big ammo capacity thanks to this, it does loooots of damage mid-game if I ever decide to even use it but its so cheese... even with bad scrolls, it carries @A@

generally, I use this for my elemental build. its just there to help proc element effects for my thunder storm when im going Painkiller spiritual.

hell i will even re-roll my illusion for elemental sometimes when im bored of thunder storm lol

I also want to add, I use my fire tower as well if im just going lightning/fire proc even when i dont want to use painkiller. its my default go-to elemental duo proc. because I love a fire-based Thunder Storm lol.

I will generally use this for cheesing with painkiller while using a main weapon spec'd with elemental effect sharing. because even though it says only corosion, if you have painkiller, it doesnt matter... ur still doing fire and electric proc. so it just works.

i still need to figure out what works best with spores....

i wanna give that a try sometime.

mix it up a little

when i first played i loved being basic and focus the critX sharing Gemini with a cloud weaver and a sniper/bow with lotsa critX

this specific thunder storm I have is used ONLY for magazine sharing and doing massive damage with the weapon relying on its own elemental effect chance to proc. I wanna try to RNG it to become elemental. then it might be my go-to weapon. sure it doesnt have target acquisition line.. but its still hella strong.

I really love Painkiller spiritual blessing. its just... imo TOO good... it should cost more when buying it imo...

[topaz aspen]

It's a bit silly

[dire jolt]

i mean

[carmine ermine]

Cost wouldn't stop people purchasing it.

[topaz aspen]

Especially with my favourite little Goober

[dire jolt]

30 is just too cheep.

1k should be its worth

[carmine ermine]

It could cost 2000 soul essence and it would still be a gamebreaker.

[dire jolt]

hmm 2k I agree

[carmine ermine]

Because soul essence is, unless you're struggling, worthless.

[dire jolt]

players will make the funds back if they complete their r9 run

[topaz aspen]

People could start with it with lone wolf :(

[carmine ermine]

That too.

[dire jolt]

nah

it should be locked out of lone wolf

to prevent that

[tall stone]

i think with spores you would generally want to have good RoF weapons like rainbow or the venom gauntlet, and a secondary shotgun with high projectiles like Argus

[dire jolt]

you HAVE to buy it

[topaz aspen]

But I want my cute goober to start with it

[carmine ermine]

The only way they could actually increase the cost of it and have it make an impact is if they make it cost 2 or even 3 blessing slots.

[topaz aspen]

Argus gaming

[dire jolt]

im sorry kitty mains...

[topaz aspen]

Meanie >:(

I love kitteh!

[dire jolt]

hmm

thats actually smart

[tall stone]

[dire jolt]

I like that idea

not just 2 slots

but make it also cost 2k as you stated

so even if you play lone wolf

most you can have is 3

and multiplayer, 2

[topaz aspen]

Kitty is my favourite character

[tall stone]

same

[dire jolt]

Teaa

we have kitty at home.

the cat at home:

https://media.tenor.com/rOE4aekrInAAAAAi/cat-sniff.gif

[tall stone]

😳

[topaz aspen]

B... But he has no hat or smoke bombs

We'll still keep him tho :3

[topaz aspen]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-meme-memes-handshake-gentleman-gif-2235389675259549968

[dire jolt]

btw...

[tall stone]

hehe cat buddies

[topaz aspen]

Yasss!

[dire jolt]

does anyone want this fire dragon? kinda made this in my boundless run and i have it sitting in my reserves

[topaz aspen]

I don't think I'll use it

Also

I think I just made the dream Tao run for my endless run

EVERYTHING has been on point in RnG

[tall stone]

oooh

i just lost my endless run with the cat

[topaz aspen]

I'm afk rn but I'm paused in the 30s with 17 mins on the clock

I have my kitteh boundless run, it's a long term save file

[tall stone]

couldn't continue cause of gluttony issues 😔

[dire jolt]

did u turn ascension sharing on?

and if so... did you get flame talisman?

[topaz aspen]

Yesh but sadly didn't get anything work taking

[dire jolt]

u MUST BECOME TANKY

[topaz aspen]

Nah I didn't get it :(

[topaz aspen]

https://tenor.com/view/left4dead-tank-gif-21882579

[dire jolt]

aw..

[topaz aspen]

Me when flame talisman

[dire jolt]

[topaz aspen]

[tall stone]

hehe my cat was very tanky

[topaz aspen]

I got blessing in disguise literally first jokul room pre endless

[topaz aspen]

My cutie Goober has monstrous DPS in my boundless run

[tall stone]

you need to show me it later hehe

[topaz aspen]

Can do!

[dire jolt]

i miss my one run...

[tall stone]

my run i was very good at tankyness

but unfortunately not enough damage to pass above stage 37

[dire jolt]

where i got cats elemental Rage and monke's Total Eradication

[tall stone]

35*

[dire jolt]

and I was playing fox

[topaz aspen]

Epicccc

[dire jolt]

all i could say is..

nuclear explosions happened.

[tall stone]

damn

that's a good combo

[topaz aspen]

My Crown Prince run, my argus is the ultimate boss shredder

[dire jolt]

sadly i didnt have an op thunderstorm back then

[topaz aspen]

I have 2 thunderstorms >w<

[dire jolt]

[dire jolt]

I have 4...

[tall stone]

i need an argus like yours >.<

[topaz aspen]

Spirit Argus with RoF boost is BROKEN

[tall stone]

hehe

[topaz aspen]

Am jelly

[tall stone]

i just have this one

[topaz aspen]

Mine's roughly the same but ofc the crit RoF boost is so broken

[tall stone]

and this

[dire jolt]

I will always love my Illusion.

[tall stone]

damn

[dire jolt]

i remember i got tao's RoFascension one run and Nona's for procing elemental effects at level 3

i was just screaming AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA that entire run LMAO

it shot so FAST D:

and i got enhanced strategic advantage!!

thats even MORE RoF D:

the game was like: "So i heard you wanna shoot fast, fox..."

and i learned illusion's multiplyer goes WAY up the faster it shoots

[topaz aspen]

Yeppies

[dire jolt]

it was somewhere at x32-x35

[topaz aspen]

I miss the ROF glitch

Illusion went insane

[dire jolt]

yeah i saw that

your minigun foundry was amazing

[topaz aspen]

XD

Yeeee it was

[dire jolt]

okay

i gotta go back to work

it was fun talking! ^^

[topaz aspen]

That's just foundry in its natural habitat

[dire jolt]

I enjoied this! :D

[topaz aspen]

Awe hope work goes well!

[tall stone]

hehe good job for you sir

sad end run 😦

[topaz aspen]

Nuuuuu :<

[tall stone]

yeah

i didn't get deadly curse or anything to reduce hp

so i ended up cleaning stages very slowly

and got out of time

and i got glutonny as my boss for endless

very bad luck 😦

[topaz aspen]

I would make a guide to endless but idk if I can be bothered

[tall stone]

and didn't get total erradication too

[tall stone]

oh i would want to see a guide coming from you

you have good knowledge of what you do

[topaz aspen]

I pretty much know everything there is to endless

[dire jolt]

Should I make a guide, too?

[topaz aspen]

I just need to test all characters to see how they hold up

[dire jolt]

since I SPECIFICALLY play Li?

[tall stone]

i would aprecciate it too

[dire jolt]

I mean.. I play owl too.. (still cant say that fool's name right..)

[topaz aspen]

What you could do is test Li for me and see how long you can go in endless, if you do that I can make the guide! :D

[tall stone]

zi xiao?

[dire jolt]

it really depends

[tall stone]

maybe you can do a guide per character

[dire jolt]

theres times i did a normal run (non paranormality/fleshbones) and got down to like 1min and then got the right scrolls to enhance at the last moment and rebounded back to 18 minutes

[topaz aspen]

I want to do that BUT make a tier list to see who is viable

[tall stone]

ooh right

[dire jolt]

and then slowly went back down to like 9 minutes and then went back up to 21 minutes

[tall stone]

man

i wish i had your luck lol

[topaz aspen]

Basically if a character can get past the struggle phase they'll be high tier amd worthy in endless

[tall stone]

i'm only lucky with ascension

[dire jolt]

you have to get a certain set of scrolls/ascensions built to keep yourself afloat

[dire jolt]

i think if i do another endless

[tall stone]

that's the sad part for endless run

[dire jolt]

im going to rock my Illusion or my RoF/increased elemental proc Thunder Storm with my op star ring

[tall stone]

if you don't have almost the perfect build you will likely run out of time

[topaz aspen]

My first thing in my guide is breaking down all the important details THEN after that, I will do characters

[tall stone]

you don't even die, you just don't have damage to clear fast enough

[topaz aspen]

I already have my top tier character, nobody shines a light to this character

[dire jolt]

so i can build time at the start of endless and then focus on using Eye of Providence to RNG for the enhance a scroll chest

thats basically how i play

[tall stone]

lol

[dire jolt]

once i get the necessary set of scrolls and enhanced scrolls

[topaz aspen]

You can probably guess who it is

[tall stone]

i guess what character it will be

[topaz aspen]

[tall stone]

🤭

[tall stone]

ooh

[topaz aspen]

Zi Xiao (so far) is 2nd and will most likely stay in that spot

[tall stone]

that's seems like a good strat

[topaz aspen]

Xing Zhe used to be 2nd and arguably 1st

Because of one build tbat sadly no longer works

[tall stone]

ooh

😦

sad monke

[topaz aspen]

(He could kill gluttony instantly by skipping all phases)

[tall stone]

https://tenor.com/view/shocked-surprised-gasp-what-cat-shock-gif-635629308990545194

[topaz aspen]

Omg I love that gif

[tall stone]

xD

[topaz aspen]

[dire jolt]

i remove EoP and use Counterviolence/Painkiller/Energy Draining

if im on lone wolf painkiller would be my keeper and it would be counterviolence/energy draining/flame dance

[topaz aspen]

I thought you were at work silly :3

[tall stone]

hmm

[dire jolt]

I work from home :v

[topaz aspen]

Slacking on da job XD

[topaz aspen]

Ohh

Fair enough!

[tall stone]

oo

[dire jolt]

im on the clock... waiting for a call lmao

its the slow hours

since people from the company go to lunch at this time

[topaz aspen]

Is your job being a silly goober?

[dire jolt]

they focus on food than call us :v

[topaz aspen]

I sees

[dire jolt]

nah. tech support. and helpdesk stuff

[topaz aspen]

My job is being a silly goober

[dire jolt]

Teaa?

I had a run where I went to stage 300+ in endless with no gimmicks and just quit because I missed playing multi-player xD

[topaz aspen]

Li Definitely sounds like a high tier character XD

what character and build were you using?

and what round did you get to?
Nona isn't really ideal for endless journey...

Yeaaaa

nona is not ideal for endless

she may be one of the worst for it

Tao, Zi Xiao, Crown Prince and Li
I still need to test every character's effectiveness in endless before I determine a tier list

yeah

[tall stone]

yea that's really sad 🥲

[dire jolt]

Li is just too stronk at endless :3

[dire jolt]

It's all RNG

[serene hawk]

some CLASSIC bird gaming

[frosty mesa]

whats the best build for tao?

[dire jolt]

Teaa's trademark secret.

[frosty mesa]

thats what i wanna knoww

[dire jolt]

i teach people how i play a scary elemental fox build and no one does a care.

oh well. bnuuy master class

[tall stone]

i like it, but i don't have the dlcs to do your funzies 🥲

[topaz aspen]

[tall stone]

oh hello ma fren

[topaz aspen]

Hiiiii

[tall stone]

how are ya?

[topaz aspen]

Am gud, weather is too hawt
Probably should DM instead of cluttering here XD

[tall stone]

xD

[silk heart]

just curious wdym by struggle phase?

[topaz aspen]

It is a term I coined, it basically means at a point in Endless Journey where the enemies scale so strong that most characters and builds completely crumble ro how overwhelming it gets. It starts at roughly high 30s, start of 40s then ends about 100

[carmine ermine]

For standard runs? It's good.

For endless? Worthless.

[topaz aspen]

Thunder Storm
Spirit Argus
Radioactive Gauntlet
Rainbow
Angelic Aura
Scalpel

Counterviolence is recommended however it CAN crit :)

are you talking actual endless or boundless?
bc a lot of people say endless when it is boundless

either way that is a strong start

what character are you playing?

Yeah you are looking at a good run if you build cards :)

[frosty mesa]

the fire fox build?

[dire jolt]

the little badges near the scrolls are a dead giveaway they're playing owl :3

[dire jolt]

no. just spamming fireballs is VERY weak in endless

elemental weapon builds

with auto-cast meteors for added assistance

[topaz aspen]

I wasnt paying attention, soooo focused on making the endless tier list rn XD

[tall stone]

ooh

when he does the suck attack you need to stay behind a rock

if you were hit he heals hp

^

he throws some rocks

are you standing behind then or behind some other rocks?

because it in fact stops the healing

oh

well that's weird

can you share a video of it happening?

no just need to stay behind them and avoid behind in sight

being*

you need to avoid being in the boss line of sight

you pretty much stare with your face on the rocks

and wait

[frosty mesa]

Teaaaaaa share your tao build please

[tall stone]

this is how you avoid it

oh nice

😅

[tall stone]

lol

[dire jolt]

Welcome to the grind.

[topaz aspen]

welcome to Endless Journey: the mode where it is no where near casual/casual build friendly

[frosty mesa]

how rare are elite catfish?

[nimble cedar]

Is sniper monkey or shotgun monkey better for r8?

[nimble cedar]

Does your held weapons crit damage affect your primary abil crit dmg?

[tall stone]

shotgun probably better

[nimble cedar]

Ill try that next run

[silk heart]

I see, what buuilds have u tried so far that could go through it that u like? besides spores

[topaz aspen]

What I'm dedicating time to is recording builds and highest round achieved for each character, it will be a tier list and later then will show builds

[silk heart]

niceeee, that's actually cool.

[topaz aspen]

also helps people on what to pick and choose for this mode!

[carmine ermine]

Basically you just hit more often, kill enemies faster and move faster. Bunny is best at endless thanks to being the best hero for rapid hits and her absurd scaling.

0, because I haven't played endless. Ever.

[nimble cedar]

why are 2 4x weapons combibes 7.5 crit?

[topaz aspen]

you can go infinitely with the right stuff, and after I make my tier list, I am redoing my 1000 run with her or any other contender

[carmine ermine]

You're not factoring in the talent CritX bonuses, or the gemini penalty.

With Crit Enhancement 5 and Breacher 5, it's

4.75 + 4.75 - 2 = 7.5

[nimble cedar]

zhy the - 2 ?

[carmine ermine]

Gemini penalty.

[nimble cedar]

is it the - 50 stability

or just a mechanic in the game

[carmine ermine]

It's a reduction it doesn't quite tell you about.

[nimble cedar]

oh alr ty ty

so no crazy high crit multipliers :(

[carmine ermine]

Didn't say that.

The gemini reduces it by 2. That's it.

[nimble cedar]

Yeah but i was using skilled caster or smth in r9

highest i could go was 7.50

[carmine ermine]

That's the base for those 2 snipers.

With literally no other bonuses.

[nimble cedar]

Yeah i got no crit inscriptions or scrolls

i was ltl looking at all weapons for higher crit :'(

[carmine ermine]

Using 2 Strike Wings would increase that by +2.
Adding Glazed Sight would give +3.
Adding Hawkeye Sight is another +4.
Gradual Improvement? Up to +9.
CritX inscriptions? We got +0.4, +1.2, and probably a couple more I'm not remembering.

[nimble cedar]

ohhh if i got glazed insight that run o,g

wouldve been so cool

[frosty mesa]

care to share your tao build? id like to try her out on endless

[topaz aspen]

Can do later as I am super duper busy rn D:

[topaz aspen]

In #hall-of-fame I pretty muched cheesed to 1000 as endless was very new and there wasn't much knowledge on what builds to run specifically

However I have done runs where I got to 300+ legitimately

Also if anything I am working on an endless tier list which will show what the best builds to run for EACH character, it will be lengthy and also redone in the future with new characters

Endless caps at 95% DR at roughly round 70-80

[frosty mesa]

thats cool

[tulip steppe]

remember that 90% takes half as much dmg as 80% takes

bunny

if you know how things math out it goes crazy

fox with thunderstorm works aswell

[topaz aspen]

I'm gonna be doing really effective builds for each class and tier listing them as I said :)

Because each enhancement is different
Nimble increases reload speed which isn't listed on the gun

Like I said, I'm doing an endless guide and tier list XD

Yeah

All enabled

[tulip steppe]

#wiki-discussion message @fresh breach

[tulip steppe]

yeah, great

endless dogrun?

[topaz aspen]

yes

not really lol

everything on average costs lower than 2000

yeah if gold didnt have a cap then endless would be a joke

Zi Xiao 100+
and am going to be pushing each characters limits to determine my tier list.

[regal crag]

pretty sure the +65% you are talking about is total damage, in which case yes it matters

[dire jolt]

Even when extravagant consumption is maxxed.. you'll never do 60,000% damage ú~ù

[carmine ermine]

65% multiplicative would be, with 60,000% damage already, the equivalent of an extra 39,000%.

[dire jolt]

Sadly you won't see those kinds of damage results due to the damage cap limitations. orz

Thunder Storm doesn't even need to go past 300.. because it's already capping ou in damage from scrolls, ascensions, and spiritual blessings all stacking into it.

Hell, you don't even need +300! XD

[tulip steppe]

300 is 4500% base dmg

99 demonlore stacks are 990%

[topaz aspen]

Dont you ever just love doing practice/tryout runs for each character for a tier list/guide and the game wants to god roll you?

All of them there are so freakin viable

[tall stone]

[topaz aspen]

Li the cutie

Unfortunately I'm playing Ao Bai, but am just having a break rn

[tulip steppe]

whys Total eradication?

its 240% general dmg

[topaz aspen]

You saying I shouldn't have taken it?

[tulip steppe]

eh, it won’t matter for endless

[topaz aspen]

Probably should have taken Wildfire then, but then again I'm doing multiple runs for each character to determine the list lol

[tulip steppe]

im in to talk later past 12:00

[topaz aspen]

Sure we can talk then

This afternoon imma be continuing with gunfire endless list

[tulip steppe]

voice 🚗

@topaz aspen

[topaz aspen]

cant rn

can later!

[carmine ermine]

Do you know why it's not explained?

Because you didn't need to know because you didn't need to care.

Before endless existed, pretty much every enemy was below the cap. Who cares about what caps at 10m, 15m, 45m, and so on if the toughest enemy was below that anyway?

[dire jolt]

Game overall needs rework

At least they killed rng manip to an extent

So there's a plus to that.

[carmine ermine]

Killed RNG manipulation to an extent? Where'd you get that idea?

[topaz aspen]

[regal crag]

gunfire reborn gameplay: go into r9. grab spritiaul blessing. win.

[jagged wing]

man i had what seemed like a god tier build melting everything in a milisecond with full elemental miasma on cat, then right at the end of pole monarch fight im just suddenly unable to damage him and get the last 50% of the shields down

not sure what i did wrong

[carmine ermine]

Pole Monarch, for some reason, takes only 25% of the Miasma damage he normally would when he's charging up his sword in the center.

[jagged wing]

it was the very last phase where hes like bouncing around rapidly smashing his sword on every tile

melted him up until that point then suddenly 0 damage being done

kinda wack ngl

[carmine ermine]

Not sure on the mechanics specifics for that bit.

[jagged wing]

the only thing i can think of is the raw DPS test because i was getting carried by elemental and only had +18 on main

but even then u should be able to kill monarch with a +18 wep

[carmine ermine]

+18 alone doesn't mean much.

[jagged wing]

i feel crushed because that was the best build i had in like a good 2-3 days

and still rekt at the end of elite

[carmine ermine]

The best +18 weapon for your build with the best inscriptions and aiming perfectly is a completely different story to using the worst +18 weapon with crappy inscriptions and your aim sucks.

[jagged wing]

nah my aim is good but my weapons are not

was using this

it did alright til the very end like i said

and the gemini was active this screenshot was taken before

2nd wep had lightning with the gemini active

[carmine ermine]

In the grand scheme of things, not that great. Especially with a weapon that spreads its shots to hit multiple targets already.

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[carmine ermine]

Yes.

Makes it so the shots home in on weak spots.

[tall stone]

demon lore loves this

[jagged wing]

im way too ADHD for that m2 mechanic

ill get tunnel vision on that tiny minigame and makes me less efficient

even if i found a perfect nuke glove prob wouldnt use it for that reason 😂

[regal crag]

good question

[tulip steppe]

his cards do damage

they get a 50% chance to do double

[regal crag]

on dealing damage or for each card summoned?

is it like a 50% chance for the 5 or something cards he summons to deal double

or each card has a 50% chance to deal double

and theres a 50% chance to consume 2 astroforecast uses

[tulip steppe]

the damage portion is when every the secondary skill deals dmg

the consumption is when you cast it by pressing the skill button

[carmine ermine]

Anything that classifies as secondary skill damage has a 50% chance to deal double damage.

This includes, but is not limited to:
• Acidominance 3's Smoke Grenade crit proc.
• Chain Lightning procs from Lightning From Void and Lightning Governor.
• Extra damage procs from Fatal Bloom.
• The punch damage portion of Aspis Slam.
• Blazing Meteor procs from Flare Calling.
• Card procs from Card Storm.
• Anything that Iron Wing fires while in Fire Mode.

It does not include:
• Thunderbolts triggered by Chain Lightning inflicting Shock with Bolt From the Blue.
• Flying Swords from Blade of Bloom.
• Cudgel hits from Wombo Combo.

Myself.

Who do you think writes the wiki?

Truthfully some of those I listed are assumptions based on the expected effect, but if any are wrong there is likely a coding error.

[silk heart]

Does anyone have the equation for the spore gemini?

I keep getting different ones

[carmine ermine]

(W1Dmg * W1Proj + W2Dmg * W2Proj) / (W1Proj + W2Proj) * 20

W1 and W2 is weapon 1 and weapon 2. Dmg is the base damage on the weapon card, Proj is the projectile count on the weapon card.

[silk heart]

cheers mate

[glad dust]

I was watching some youtubers and I noticed that their dash cooldown is 1s while mine is 2 seconds. Ive maxed out the efficient casting talent but its still 2s. What do I need to do for my dash to become 1s?

[tall stone]

there are scrolls in the game that reduces dash cooldown

[glad dust]

No like rifht at the start

Elitr difficulty

[lime temple]

Boundless Dream and its consequences have been a disaster for the monster races

[feral spire]

hey, gamers. just picked up this game and have only played for a few hours. so far i like bird, bunny, and dog, but i know the game gets a lot harder so i wanna get more skilled with 'em. how do i actually play each of them well?

[topaz aspen]

if you check the wonderful Gunfire Reborn wikipedia it will show you all sorts of tips and tricks, builds and useful info about the game!!

[feral spire]

sounds good, thank you!

didn't know there was one

[topaz aspen]

[regal crag]

wiki not wikipedia

wikipedia is the wiki encyclopedia

[topaz aspen]

[feral spire]

so, i see on the wiki it says high damage weapons are good for a dual wielding build, but do i prefer high damage-per-shot weapons or high bullets-per-second weapons?

[feral spire]

got my first success. dog is fun!

[glad dust]

is there any mode where I can play and not gain souls or any rewards?

oh and btw, in yalls opinion are the 2 DLC's worth it?

[versed fox]

1. no
2. yes

[tulip steppe]

kinda in Daily Challenges

[glad dust]

Why would u say the dlc is worth it?

[steady bay]

If you had to fight any of the character from GR witch one could or could not beat in a fight? fists only but each character has there abillity's

Some one i could beat, nona, although it depends if she has iron wing with her or not.

If yes he has IW than im getting turned into a red puddle, but if not, sure red panda's are strong and she dose have a missle launcher, but she's super tiny

I can NOT fight the green bird though, (I forgot his name) he is a marchal artist. and a strong one at that. But i think he'd be the more chill kind of type, like he WILL beat you up, but buy you a drink afterwards. but if not, IM COOKED!

[carmine ermine]

Everyone would beat you if they had their abilities.
• Cat: Freeze you then smoke you to death.
• Dog: Grenade.
• Birb: Martial arts.
• Tiger: Electrocute you.
• Bunny: A dozen swords.
• Turtle: Punch you to death while you can't do any damage.
• Monkey: Bonk stick and chains.
• Fox: You ever survived a giant fireball?
• Owl: You can't even get close without getting shredded by cards.
• Red Panda: Iron Wing or no, she's still got a missile launcher.

[velvet grail]

Guys my aimassist isnt working on my Xbox controller. I play on pc and i have turn it on

[pure temple]

what's the best way to deal high damage with Crown Prince in multiplayer?
i've had decent success with primary builds, going for splinter orb, using energy orb and getting the cooldown as low as possible to the point where i can spam it, but i'm not sure if there are other cat builds that will do more damage?

[fast parrot]

Get Painkiller

Do poison build 👌

[pure temple]

thanks, basically following the Painkiller build on the wiki, using smoke grenades?

or do you do a weapon build?

[pure temple]

i'm also curious how much damage is normal for that playstyle, in R8-9

[carmine ermine]

In multiplayer? It's actually quite easy to do high damage there.

Simply move faster than your teammates while using any decent build.

[pure temple]

i play cooperatively with a couple of friends, so that won't work. i'm really looking for info about builds that do high damage, instead of tips like that one 🙂 thanks for the reply, tho!

[fast parrot]

primary spam build also work. but you need some rng goblet

[pure temple]

yeah, i got around 500m with primary spam, but i'm aiming for at least 1b, so trying to find better methods.

[fast parrot]

need some stack scroll

[tulip steppe]

use fire damage

max Pyrodom

[pure temple]

thanks, any other info? i've seen a lot of rather weak fire damage builds on the cat, i'm not sure how to make a really good one

[feral spire]

probably bunny. fists only so she can't trigger swords easily, right?

plus she's short. i am, too, but whatever

[carmine ermine]

She can always use Swords Out.

Sure 6 swords hurts less than 18, but it's still 6 swords.

[feral spire]

yeah, i fixed my message. she won't be hitting me with a lot of swords, at least

[fading grove]

Q3 Update when?

[carmine ermine]

Anywhere between now and later.

[feral spire]

took out boss four

lets gooo

now that i've got all five of their skills, is dog or bird gonna be better at running around at close-to-medium range and just shooting (and sometimes i guess using skills) the shit outta things

both seem pretty fun...

i'm not super interested in cleave builds or atomic dog, for what that's worth

[fading grove]

So it could've been released 1h ago, how'd you know though...

[topaz aspen]

They will tease the DLCs before release, so keep an eye on #game-announcements as everyone will know at the same time :)

[fading grove]

Ergh alright, I think you told me that already a couple weeks ago

[topaz aspen]

So then you're aware, so therefore no need to ask again, silly

[dire jolt]

im so mad

i had a really good run only for it to end up a stupid normal run.. i forgot to enable endless...

[topaz aspen]

D:

[dire jolt]

im sorry tea im gonna give up for now

i killed my boundless run to help you and forgot to actually END it properly

and then this

roo many fails and im just livid

[topaz aspen]

Nu don't worry I have a run made

Oh my gosh

I'm so sorry about your boundless run

D:

[dire jolt]

WHY DID YOU ASK ME TO HELP QAQ
nah i kid that was really my doing :^)

WHY AM I SO STOOPID!!!

[topaz aspen]

NYAAA UR NOT DUMMI

[hasty cape]

Every group has one, that makes you the most special.

[dire jolt]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1214193705666220073/1257490576656437268/Gunfire_Reborn_2024.07.01_-_19.16.54.18.DVR.mp4?ex=668498dc&is=6683475c&hm=e359e7f6c55c54a3736f743019124aaa2061cc7579b75b48f578a6652213d20a&

Game pls...

[dire jolt]

lolz

[slate roost]

What are the stats to look for on a Thunderstorm anyways

[sly salmon]

I've recently started and now I just finished R2 on Lie luo with crit/lucky builds and i was wondering if there are any tips that I should know of

not really having trouble just want to know if I'm missing anything

[feral spire]

how do i actually survive with bunny? i'm only on elite, but i feel like i'm dying constantly if i'm not doing a skill build

[hasty cape]

Wiki is the answer to all your questions

[glad dust]

how do I quick reset

?

if I want a good weapon at the start, how do I quickly reset runs

[carmine ermine]

There is no quick reset. Just quit and start game.

[hasty cape]

That would be such a nice feature

[glad dust]

whattt

[glad dust]

btw is there a guranteed peddler and upgrader in every floor?

[fast parrot]

No

[pure temple]

you'll definitely get a peddler and crafty just before each boss, that's the only guarantee

[glad dust]

ohh

[pure temple]

embrace and love the randomness 🙂

[glad dust]

real lmao

[pure temple]

thorny bloom increases the base damage of fatal bloom for each use of it. am i right in thinking that works any time fatal bloom is applied, and that you don't need to manually cast it like with blade of bloom?

[carmine ermine]

Nope.

Without Fatal Bloom, all you're doing is marking enemies.

Which is not the requirement.

[pure temple]

ah, so using it and casting it are the same, ie manual use. and when it's done automatically, it's marking an enemy, but not using or casting it.
so a blossom enthusiast build that marks enemies by shooting them won't get the base damage increase of thorny bloom.
though the build will partially benefit from taking thorny bloom, because extra damage is dealt when fatal bloom either disappears, or when it's refreshed.
does all that sound right?

[carmine ermine]

Pretty much.

[pure temple]

awesome, thanks!

[open mortar]

hey, just picked up gunfire over the weekend and been having a blast. just unlocked nightmare mode! Still trying to figure things out but is it worth it to spend gold upgrading a gun several times in the early acts when the guns dont have unique abilities or gemeni abilities?

[carmine ermine]

At your point in the game, probably still a good idea.

Later on it becomes a waste of copper most of the time, unless you find a really useful set of inscriptions on an early gun, or are struggling to beat anything.

[open mortar]

just curious, what do you mean at my point in the game? as in nightmare difficulty or based on my level ups?

[carmine ermine]

Assumed level ups based on your difficulty.

[open mortar]

also, so far im only finding success with the racoon (shoulder cannons OP) and the bird using his melee attack and stacking it as big as i can

any advice for other characters (havent tried the fox yet as my friend plays her almost singularly)

[carmine ermine]

• Cat: Smoke Grenades are extremely powerful, just not in an obvious way. They are a guaranteed method of inflicting Decay, making it incredibly easy to trigger fusion effects when also using fire/lightning weapons to inflict Burning/Shock. On that note, use fire/lightning weapons.

• Dog: On the flipside of Cat, Dog's Explosive Grenades aren't that great. Explosive weapons do what they do but often better (on Nightmare difficulty, at least). Besides that, using 2 automatic weapons is an easy way of using Dual-Wield. 2 different elemental weapons also work nicely.

• Tiger: He's either a fragile sniper that stays away from everything, or an automatic tesla coil where you get close and shock everything. Either way, defensive stuff is important.

• Bunny: Starts weak but gets really strong later on. You'll be wanting either high RoF weapons or high hit count weapons, often both overlap. Not requiring weapons needs a specific ascension to be good.

• Turtle: You'll either be punching everything, dashing into everything or shield-slamming everything while holding high damage weapons. No matter what, your Aspis is super important.

• Monkey: High damage weapons are required for Soul Strike builds, though keep in mind what type of weapon it is, as they offer different bonuses. Essence Chain builds are just spamming skills at everyone.

• Fox: Meteors are good and work well with weapons, but Spiritual Flame builds deal overwhelming damage if you focus on it. Contrary to what sounds good, using corrosive weapons instead of fire weapons can sometimes be the better option.

• Owl: You either focus on spamming cards, or start out with a weak Falling Star that becomes incredibly powerful later on, so weigh your options carefully. Weapons with only 1 magazine also work great for him, particularly when using a certain gemini inscription.

[open mortar]

ive only foudn the chameleon weapon to do double element damage (and gemeni weapons), are there more double element dealing weapons to use for fire/lightning?

[carmine ermine]

No.

Technically Talisman can, but it sacrifices its stats for too many gimmicks, and you have to do the element swapping manually unless you get an exclusive inscription.

[glad dust]

is reincarnation 9 with bird using a sword build possible?

ive been trying and it seems the early game (usually around sand area) gets difficult

[carmine ermine]

Practically anything on Reincarnation difficulty is possible. Players just get too powerful.

[glad dust]

from spiritual blessings?

[carmine ermine]

Spiritual blessings, bizarre dreams, enhanced scrolls, you name it.

[glad dust]

oh aight

[carmine ermine]

That stuff even fixes the game being difficult early on. You just pick stuff that works at full power immediately.

Like Overconsumption.

[regal crag]

thats not a raccoon its a red panda

and you should probably try using something else and not rely on the character that makes it so you dont have to do anything and just look at the enemies dying

[open mortar]

yea been trying to get a run going with prince or the bunny, but never can seem to get a good start with weapons or anything. Just keep dying early on (in nightmare) as prince

[carmine ermine]

Nightmare difficulty is simply a massive jump in how hard things are.

And Red Panda has a massive crutch to avoid it.

[open mortar]

yea ive never been overly good at shooters, so she helped a ton lol

also part of the reason I really like the thunder storm weapon. makes my bad accuracy not matter as much

[glad dust]

does deadly encounter (after taking damage all hits become crits within 3 seconds) work with swords?

[regal crag]

any weapon

any weapon can crit

some not by default

[pure temple]

Nona is definitely amazingly good. as others have said, best to avoid her and gain skill using the other characters 🙂
my journey as a noob (before i got any DLCs) was done with only multiplayer games, it was full of dying tons, failing lots of runs, and gradually farming soul essence and unlocking talents.
if that sounds like you, don't worry, experiment with stuff and you'll get there eventually!
even though the vaults will often kill you at the start, keep doing them 🙂 though if you get an elite vault that's too tricky (especially the spearman in act 1), don't be afraid to back out.
once i unlocked most of the talents, the game became much easier. i can't remember how much of the talent tree i had unlocked by the time i finished nightmare, but i think it was a decent amount of it.
after nightmare comes reincarnation, where you get many cool things, and the early levels felt MUCH easier than nightmare.
so keep it up, keep farming! each character has several playstyles, but you often need luck to get them to work, so don't write off a character permanently, just because it doesn't work for you once or twice 🙂

[open mortar]

OK i legit dont actually understand how the owls card draw stuff works

like, should I not just be picking up every scroll i find? is that a bad strategy?

[versed fox]

you should be

[open mortar]

I guess I just dont understand how to reliably get the same rarity of cards

[versed fox]

goblets

owl can upgrade the "rarity" of a scroll (not its actual rarity), which is important because he draws based on rarity

picking up goblets gives more upgrades and rerolls

[open mortar]

through this?

[versed fox]

yeah

upgrades arent manual tho

[open mortar]

should I just always select legendary then?

[versed fox]

thats what i do

[pure temple]

pretty much everything about the owl is complicated ... it's not explained well in-game, but to be fair, the owl uses a complicated set of mechanics that needs a lot of room to explain. check out the wiki for a lot more info on the owl 🙂
it's been a while since i played owl, but for the upgrade strategy, i used to go rare early on, and then switch to legendary later.

[regal crag]

going from the most brain dead character to the most complicated character is... not too good of an idea

[open mortar]

lol ive always been like that lol. Bunny is probably my next favorite

[feral spire]

is deadly curse good on bird?

[carmine ermine]

Good on anyone that you don't care about your HP.

Which, by default, is everyone except Dog or Red Panda.

[feral spire]

good to know, thank you

[pure temple]

how does Tao's Empathy with Sword work with weapons linked with spores? the hit itself will have a 10% chance of summoning a sword, but can the spores summon a sword?

[tulip steppe]

i belive so

the sword can proc itself

[pure temple]

thanks, i guess maybe the spores all roll the 10% chance, but only one could proc a sword, like if a shotgun hit with several pellets.

[ashen flower]

I could've went on for god knows how much longer because I couldn't die and was one shotting everything. Decided to move on and try something else though

Who knows...might try going for the longest run...

[ashen flower]

It felt like my damage wouldn't go any higher than a certain point though no matter how much more stacks of damage and so on I had

[topaz aspen]

EVerything but true damage has a cap in the game :)

[topaz aspen]

you can refer to this if this helps :)
@ashen flower

[silk heart]

what inscriptons should i look for if im using Deafening mortar? but one that's not focused on the right click.
or is it better in general to go for the right click?

[young ingot]

can someone tell me how to fix ping issue? the joined friend is always capped at 999 sometime 390 660 etc but stays at 999 most of the time

even tho in other games ping is never that high

[steady bay]

LETS GOOOOO I BEAT THE GAME FIRST TRY ON ELEITE!

MY FIRST ELITE RUN!

LEMMIE GET THE SCREEN SHOT!

iron wing came in CLUTCH i got downed and he was able to BARLY revive me!

[young ingot]

lol gg

[young ingot]

can u like send me squad id

i wana check how is my ping outside country

ill leave

[steady bay]

ok

[young ingot]

tnx

[steady bay]

ST25N8KFSEEMGF

[ornate root]

is thare anybody want to play

[carmine ermine]

Use the Looking For Group channels to ask.

[ornate root]

k

[regal crag]

well you used the braindead character that makes you have to specifically try to die in order to lose

[feral spire]

that seems mean

[dull sleet]

Feels weird that all the channels are separated

[ashen flower]

We need a united channel frf

[topaz aspen]

#1055548521861877781 already exists! :D

[steady bay]

Alr trying my first nightmare run!

Ok. fisrt few scrolls i got. were for speed.

got a poison ghoast too!

[carmine ermine]

To be fair, if you're still playing as Nona, Nightmare probably isn't going to be very different to Elite.

You'll probably just die then get revived a few extra times.

[steady bay]

Yea lol

uh oh

First bos is golem.. i only have melee

boss*

Ok i got 3 poison ghost charges and fire tower. so i got.. decent range coverage

i think

Ah died in the dessert. iron wing was downed

[pure temple]

i'd like to check some things about Tao's thorny bloom.
the wiki says the extra damage also applies when refreshing a mark. i believe the 'extra damage' refers to "When the mark disappears, Fatal Bloom will strike the enemy twice again"
and the extra damage is multiplied "by the number of times the enemy was hit by the sword during the mark duration." i believe this mean all instances of flying swords, including swords out, blade of bloom, and empathy with sword.
so if the mark is applied, then 20 swords in total hit from all sources, and then the mark is refreshed, then it deals two hits of 20 times the fatal bloom damage.
is all of that right?

[dull sleet]

Yeah, but wouldn't that be outside a thread and not in a group of chatting options??

Just seems counterintuitive that it's not the most accessible channel

[topaz aspen]

gonna have to talk to the the mods on that one am afraid! :(

[dull sleet]

Yeagh,

[ebon girder]

has anyone gotten the energy chain achievement recently?

[dire jolt]

this merchant...

[topaz aspen]

He wants to challenge you!

[silk heart]

Yo does the blue inscription Projectile +0.2 for every enemy killed (resets after reload) obtainable for deafening mortar?

[tulip steppe]

no

[silk heart]

thanks

[silk heart]

do any of y'all have a guide or link to what cores is good for the seasonal mechanisms? (like Datura)

[wise citrus]

How long usually are the matching times

[topaz aspen]

gonna assume it varies by region
however you can find people to play with in the lfg channels like #lfg-global

[wind pawn]

datura is either

• Damage goes brrrr
• Mechanic with hero specific

The descriptions on the cores are decently good (depends on the language, but the english ones are)

[silk heart]

thanks

[scenic escarp]

i just had the worst run just now with a friend felt like the game was glitched so many laterns were spawning non stop and ran out of ammo while running in circles trying not to die but there was to many enimies for some reason.

just felt unfair

[topaz aspen]

Monks summon lanterns

[pure temple]

hordes of lanterns can be real deadly.
there's ways that training master missions can revive them, similar can happen with the scrolls in interdependent fortunes, maybe a stage-specific thing (those things that appear at the right) could have caused something odd, or you have an elite invasion that reslted in lots ... there's loads of things.
maybe next time, try a character with more crowd control 🙂 and be careful which training missions/ interdependent fortunes you take, and look at the right every so often

[scenic escarp]

should be a limit of laterns on the map i feel

had a hard time killing the monks when killing hundreds of laterns while runing away. have not playing with another person in the game for a while and tried today and felt 100% harder

[topaz aspen]

Because each character is different in terms of playstyle, you just need to practice :)

[pure temple]

also, with more people, enemies have more life 🙂 two people = x3 life

[scenic escarp]

I use the same character that I always did just with one other person on my team so know how to use the character properly. It’s just I was dying a lot easier. My friend was dying a lot easier and there was way more enemies.

[pure temple]

which character/build did you use?

[scenic escarp]

I can get through all chapters no problem solo but this time we couldn’t even beat the swamp area

[pure temple]

also, which difficulty did you play on?

[scenic escarp]

I use my mech and I was trying to get the turret filled, but the gauntlet did not give me the right things I needed

I did not play it on reincarnation or the one below that I played it the second difficulty

[pure temple]

ah, how much of the talent tree have you completed? and how many of nona's talents have you got?

[scenic escarp]

All

[pure temple]

k cool. it sounds like you just got unlucky with the shoulder cannon upgrade and/or heat core

[scenic escarp]

My friend has not played much and he was playing the lightning tiger so I was carrying him a little bit and reviving him a lot through the peddler

I just kept on getting unlucky with a lot of my upgrades through the chest next to the portal, not give me the right stuff for what I wanted because I wanted to use the turret mode for my mech

[pure temple]

yeah ... if you don't get shoulder cannon upgrade, iron wing isn't good versus crowds, so if you had no ranks in that, that would explain it

[scenic escarp]

And it was also difficult because I did not have the little turret that follows me. I only have my main mech and we were not playing the mode that gave the pair of us thing

Yeah, I could not get him to have any of the shoulder cannons to launch missiles because every single goblet was give me things that I did not want. I always refused to take the suicide device.

[pure temple]

pair of us is amazingly good, yep
it sounds like you just had an unlucky run, with unlucky goblets.
suicide device is awesome if iron wing is in strike mode, which i hardly ever use. if you use it with fire mode, it does give the big explosion, but it also means it takes a while before the turret shoots, so it's not great overall.

[scenic escarp]

I was trying to go through the other difficulties before going into reincarnation because he hasn’t gone through the other difficulties yet, but we couldn’t even beat the swamp area because of the unlucky run

[pure temple]

it also depends on your partner. the tiger's playstyles are very different. some are great crowd control, some aren't.

also, if you have to revive someone at the peddler, that means the run's going badly

[scenic escarp]

Yeah, for some reason, reason it felt like he was dying a lot quicker than me with the character, but I don’t know if it was just the character but I said maybe you could try a different character another time we play and see if you can stay alive easier

[pure temple]

does he have all the talents? if not, he might have less health/shield than you

[scenic escarp]

I use the Nona because I like the mech and I feel better with the character

He doesn’t have all the talents because he hasn’t been playing the game much because he is busy a lot of the time but he found time to play today. He’s like only 62 I think on his level.

[pure temple]

the game also depends a lot on how good people are at FPS games in general. players who aren't aware of their surroundings due tons in GFR. also, new players who take too many offensive scrolls and not enough defensive scrolls often die horribly.

and new players are often bad at the trap vaults, so don't do them, and thus don't get the defensive scrolls.

[scenic escarp]

I don’t even know my play style in the game. I just use my Mech a lot of the time and just take scrolls that sen useful and aren’t too too negative

[topaz aspen]

Will be honest you won't find your playstyle with Nona

As pretty much Nona is just " let the mech play the game for you"

[pure temple]

i played the game a lot before Nona was released ... when i use nona, i plonk down iron wing in fire mode, and hide while the turret effortlessly kills stuff

[topaz aspen]

That's why I don't like Nona

The mech just does the game for you

[pure temple]

nona is my no-effort character that i use when i'm tired. she's really fun with rockets that fire when you hold down the button, but apart from that, she's just super-safe

[scenic escarp]

I’m not a big fan of nerfing like I do think that Nona is strong, but I feel like I would rather them buff the other characters so they’re just as good, but I barely played any of the characters yet because I’ve been enjoying sitting back and not thinking

[topaz aspen]

Me personally you can play as who you want and have every right to enjoy it, but Nona doesn't teach the player anything

[topaz aspen]

Surprisingly a lot of characters are better than Nona, especially in endless/boundless

[scenic escarp]

I also like the look of li , I think her name is because I like fire but only tried her once before I got all her talents

[pure temple]

nona is an awesome character for hauling a party through the first two acts when the rest of the party is using characters that are best in acts 3-4

[topaz aspen]

Nona is an easy win however doesn't teach the player how to actually defend themselves
In endless, Nona crumbles compared to almost everyone else

[pure temple]

li is good, and has a variety of playstyles

nona does let the player spend time avoiding being attacked, so players can learn awareness more slowly and by dying less

[scenic escarp]

Maybe before I sleep, I will go on my ROG ally And try character on the normal difficulty like li

That could also be the reason that I’m dying less is because I am staying back and looking at every little thing around me. Well, the mech does other things.

[pure temple]

definitely try other characters, they're all so different and have lotsa different playstyles

[scenic escarp]

I remember when I was younger I never used to look at the little radar or mini map in games but now in a lot of games every once in a while, I will look in the corner a lot of the time

[topaz aspen]

That radar is a useful tool :)

[pure temple]

yeah, looking at the radar definitely helps, unless you're experienced enough to track enemies in your brain 🙂

[topaz aspen]

I'm at a point where I can predict all enemy spawns, thanks endless 😭

[scenic escarp]

I use to play halo 3 and destiny 1 without looking a lot the radar but when I played d2 i made a habit to look in the corner at the radar

[topaz aspen]

Speaking of endless I need to try this ig "meta changing" build on all characters XD

[scenic escarp]

I don’t think I’ve tried anything else other than the main difficulties and reincarnation

So never played endless

[pure temple]

i've played FPS games for ages too, so i'm much better than my friends when it comes to being aware of enemies and traps 🙂

[topaz aspen]

Endless is the hardest mode in the game (not to be confused with boundless)

Well, hardest as in so much pressure to not lose time

You're forced into sweaty builds, speedrunning

[pure temple]

playing Endless should, IMO, only be done once you're an expert at all the characters ... cos you'd learn bad habits that you should not bring back to the normal game lol

[topaz aspen]

Characters like Qing Yan, Qian Sui and Nona have a tough time

[scenic escarp]

Feels like this is the only game that I like playing by myself I’m not a big fan of playing single player I mainly like multiplayer games but the game is still fun multiplayer and I’m not a big fan of rogue like games but this one I like

[pure temple]

you really just gotta accept/love the randomess to play this game. otherwise, you'll ragequit when you get bad luck a few times in a row.

[topaz aspen]

Endless definitely requires a different mindset, 100%
Because you have to pull seriously good RNG and play as the appropriate characters because as of now I am still testing characters but some who genuinely can't support endless I may have to use unbelievably sweaty builds

[scenic escarp]

I haven’t rage at a game in a while, but that run was pretty stressful, and it was only on the second difficulty having that bad lack of the scrolls and the goblet and then those lantern responding way too much.
And I don’t think I would wanna play a game that is hard where you have to dodge a lot and get one shot like a soul like . never played one of those type of souls like games never will

[pure temple]

also, i believe every currently-known build has to use weapons to do damage, which really isn't the case in the main game 😄

[pure temple]

i dislike anything that one-shots characters regardless of their defenses, so i get ya there.

[topaz aspen]

As of now the current meta is ultimate DPS/hit count
Rn I am experimenting with a certain thing in the game that can kind of change that

Meaning perhaps characters like Qing Yan and Nona can play endless comfortably, however it will force them out of their comfort zones/playstyles to am extent

[scenic escarp]

But might try a new character soon but think I want to play a relaxing game with my friend when he gets on tomorrow lol

[pure temple]

just don't play bunny ... reincarnation tao can be so good, she makes other characters look weak 😄

[topaz aspen]

Play Tao and single handedly kill everything without trying

Regardless of this "new" build I am trying for endless, Tao still is the best by miles

[pure temple]

she's awesome in the main four-act game too

[scenic escarp]

Still sucks that the console version is basically being held hostage and not really getting updated. Last time. I tried to play. It didn’t even have any of the new characters. But I got it on steam so it is more up to date

[carmine ermine]

There is. At about 10+ lanterns spawned, all Corrupt Monks stop spawning lanterns.

[scenic escarp]

Just felt like there was to much

Too bad I did not have that part recorded of that little area I was in

[carmine ermine]

Of course, once you kill lanterns and the number drops below 10 again, the corrupt monks start spawning them again.

So if you don't take them out, the lanterns are endless.

You just can't get massive swarms of hundreds at once.

[scenic escarp]

Looked like 100 lol

[carmine ermine]

Looks like 100, actually 12.

[scenic escarp]

The monks are hard to take out without the setup for my mech the I like and having someone to carry

I can usually do the game no prob solo even with not the best goblet

[zinc bay]

Hey there! New to the game, but got to level 21 after 2 runs.

[topaz aspen]

hi and welcome!!

[zinc bay]

Happy to be here! Hope to have some multiplayer later.

[pure temple]

hi, good luck, and don't worry if you fail tons, just aim to get more and more talents 🙂

[silk heart]

Yo how reliable is the explosion aoe gemini for endless jounrey? say for around stage 30

and how should set it up to make it effective?

[open mortar]

so as far as gun combos go, ive found a fast gemeni with a shotgun to be extremely satisfying, what are some other good combinations that I should try that can carry me through the game. Especially with Prince as I have not been able to be successful with him

[carmine ermine]

With Prince? The elementalist? The one who can conveniently do all 3 elemental effects at once very consistently if you had an element share gemini?

Sorry, I got no ideas. You'll just have to find something yourself.

[topaz aspen]

Silly cute cat when he uses lots of silly funny elements

17 away from redoing 1000... for real this timee

[deft venture]

Hey guys can back to the game after a break and a bit confused with the new destiny mechanics, I see that we can equip only 6 cores, so I wanted to know if there are any BiS cores for each gadget?

[raw merlin]

basically anything that automates the effect of whatever destiny mechanism you're using, because all three of them are kinda bullshit in their own way

or rather, anything that gives what the destiny mechanism provides as a passive or bonus effect to your normal gameplan

[scenic escarp]

Decided to do a run with a different character on normal just to try out. I did get down once but I used points to revive myself and I just wanted it to be a quick run so I just got to the Boston in the swamp area and escaped.

The thing that felt useful was every time I shot my weapon. Meteors would come out of the enemy and killed the enemy.

[pure temple]

flare calling is awesome

[scenic escarp]

Might look up a setup her li

[deft venture]

Got it, thank you

[chilly crow]

is the multiplayer just dead? searching in every dif and still cant find people after 10 minutes

[topaz aspen]

try #lfg-global and related channels if you want random new people to play with :)

[chilly crow]

alr thx il try it!

[topaz aspen]

you're welcome

[scenic escarp]

been grinding the blue crystals to lvl up the characters i have not lvled up and i have one character left to get the skills on then dont needs to spend the crystals on things other then the reincarnation

[scenic escarp]

Is there a way to get this one done easy or fast because it is taking awhile still missing scrolls ?

Looks like I’m missing 4 scrolls

[raw merlin]

dunno what to tell you other than use a fire weapon

[carmine ermine]

Painkiller Cat works garanteed.

[pure temple]

using Li is also effective, seeing she's fire-oriented

[spice forum]

That also works indeed

[rustic nova]

How do I get the prince's exclusive frame if it doesn't let me freeze the bosses for 10 seconds, because they release immediately when they make a move?

[carmine ermine]

Maxed out freeze duration and careful timing of energy orbs.

Also do it on elites instead.

[rustic nova]

I had the 6 orbs and they had to last +4 seconds, I threw them all in a row, I managed to throw more than 15 orbs in a row, but the second I threw them, the boss was released anyway, without even 2 seconds passing

[carmine ermine]

That's either the poor timing or doing it against a boss.

[rustic nova]

okk, thanks

[rustic nova]

@carmine ermine look, the power fades out very quickly

[carmine ermine]

What level Chained Duration do you have?

[rustic nova]

now i have level 1, but in another game I had level 2 and it was the same

[carmine ermine]

As stated, max it out.

[rustic nova]

okk, i'll try

[pure temple]

from https://gunfirereborn.fandom.com/wiki/Avatars_and_Frames

[rustic nova]

After a long time I managed it, thank you very much for your help

[shell obsidian]

What species are the new characters? To me it looks like a mink and a goat

[fresh breach]

If i'll use Matrix mechanism with deafening mortar's primary mode, will it boost the damage of all the additional mini-explosions?

[chrome shadow]

Idk

[fresh breach]

Does this mean that mechanisms' damage scales with your skill damage bonuses by default? So if i'll run caster build picking all the possible bonuses to skill damage, Datura's already imbalanced damage will be multiple times higher?

[trail inlet]

any1 wanna hop in an elite game?

ping me if so

[topaz aspen]

try #lfg-global and related channels :)

[topaz aspen]

OMG KITTYYYY

[fresh breach]

real

[topaz aspen]

[fresh breach]

[topaz aspen]

[fresh breach]

pats

how's your day

[topaz aspen]

~<

Not so good tbh

Probably should DM because this is gunfire channel silly XD

[fresh breach]

sorry