hard to assume hwen eveythng does chip damage
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fallen escarp
It's easy to assume.
soft jasper
one moment im tanking a million hits and not losing a single hp
the other im fucking DEAD
soft jasper
my playstyle is very close range and aggressive so its a little hard
ill try some new stuff later
fallen escarp
Especially expect it from lanterns.
soft jasper
Especially expect it from lanterns.
lanterns suck
how do i deal with them if im a melee player
😭
fallen escarp
Carefully.
Or ignore them and kill everything else while running around like a madman, your call.
soft jasper
Or ignore them and kill everything else while running around like a madman, your...
hell yeah
i build for speed for a reason
also fk overconsumption only losers die in act 1 or2
fallen escarp
Actually, still carefully even when ignoring them.
All it takes is one mad dash into the horde you created.
soft jasper
All it takes is one mad dash *into* the horde you created.
real]
glad iris
how do i deal with them if im a melee player
Just move backwards and hit them.
soft jasper
sure, until i get tagged by one the second it spawns
bc im in hugging range of the enemy
lol
glad iris
Unless it's some event, I don't see how one would spawn on you when you're backing away from them fighting them.
soft jasper
Unless it's some event, I don't see how one would spawn on you when you're backi...
yeah events are the only times theyre a pain
a lot of the time i can just tag em with a hardwood missile or mecha drop
if it isnt an event
glad iris
I'm talking about melee though.
glad iris
I just never had an issue with them. Or any of the Act 3 mobs as melee. Played mostly melee in SA.
soft jasper
tbf
for some reaosn on battery duo fjord runs at like 20fps for me
maybe thats the issue
bc i had no issues in act1 or 2
ill test with a charger plugged in lol
idle hornet
Is there anyway to increase fov past max?
idle hornet
good question, i'd run more
Found it, in the ini file in app data, line 310, can go as high as you like
soft jasper
Found it, in the ini file in app data, line 310, can go as high as you like
are you sure its in appdata?
idle hornet
are you sure its in appdata?
Yes, app data, local low, daxui (or whatever it's called), GR, then user ini
\AppData\LocalLow\duoyi\Gunfire Reborn\
Open "usersetting.ini"
Find your current FOV value (it might also be line 301 - but that depends how many settings you have changed).
Just change it to your preferred FOV and save it.
remote olive
is it even possible to loop in solo? I always run out of time cause the enemies get a huge amount of health and can't get the last achievement because of it
soft jasper
paranromaity on enemies :3
fallen escarp
It's possible to go on Forever™️, you just gotta know how.
remote olive
I require this knowledge
it's really
REALLY annoying to miss the loop for barely seconds
nimble flint
No Skill dmg
Weapon Dmg is your friend
Penetration bullet being an absolute must as some scaling like dual edge
remote olive
elemental damage?
remote olive
even with the arsonist? her ability packs quite the punch
dire river
me and my 4 iron wings
(did some robot teammate runs they actually do well)
however gluttony fight takes forever due to them not going behind the pillars properly 
unreal horizon
so what's the ideal, fire enthusiast deadly counter penetration bullet with rainbow or something?
does the spore crit during deadly counter?
and what's the ideal spore weapon for endless, the porcupine for more procs?
fallen escarp
does the spore crit during deadly counter?
Used to, doesn't anymore.
unreal horizon
huh, so once you're scaled up then spore is replaced with what, crit x or elemental?
probably elemental?
fallen escarp
Hit count. Anything that gets you more hits.
Mag Share might by letting you fire faster without reloading.
Elemental Share might by letting you do easy Combustion and Miasma.
Spores might because you inflict extra spore hits.
Really depends on what will do it the most for the current build.
pearl garden
and what's the ideal spore weapon for endless, the porcupine for more procs?
Porcupine is not too good with spores. Best to use Argus/Hell/maybe a Wild Hunt as an offhand and use a high RoF primary weapon. While the Porcupine has a lot of pellets, it has low total damage and the other shotguns listed above add more damage overall to spore dps.
It's also better to upgrade the offhand shotgun versus the high RoF primary if you do go that route.
nimble flint
I fogot its name but the Unkempt Harold Pistol works okay ish as well
not just the shotguns
fallen escarp
Prepare for Miasma Meta.
bleak quest
Oh no
minor surge
Prepare for Miasma Meta.
wasent that always meta?
fallen escarp
Not for a while.
Ever since the hundreds of Reincarnation buffs, slow percentage damage got completely overshadowed by casually hitting the damage cap.
In endless with its "enemy HP way above the damage cap", while it could help out alot by bypassing the damage cap, it was too slow to outpace the timer.
Only the people who knew about ways to get super high hit count, played with super specific builds, AND had the skills to pull it off, could enjoy genuine endless.
Without the timer though? Anyone will now be once more able to Miasma through everything, and Penetration Bullet through anything it can't.
bleak quest
Now I have to commit 8 hours out of my day to do a meta build
unkempt portal
Is want them all useless without trancendent arsenal?
hardy field
speedrun with This Build is Absolutely Inhumane!!
R1 total time by stage:
6:42 --> 11:10 --> 15:29 --> 18:49 (Gluttony)
Holy Capacity!
bleak quest
that's not a bad time
hardy field
the damage dealt was insane
bleak quest
that's about the usual damage delt you can get if you're doing a casual owl card build
fallen escarp
Yes and no.
If you reloaded every shot, it's a nerf.
If however you had more than 1 shot in the magazine and have at least 10m AoE (most launchers have 4m or more, and you're forced to get +6 from Explosion Enhancement), then it's a buff.
thorny solar
Ah
I was looking through the notes more
And they gutted the entire existance of one dog
fallen escarp
Unless the damage bonus is additive, of course.
Which I somehow doubt it is, considering it's for a link that requires a blessing.
thorny solar
Also does revealer actually reload now?
pearl garden
Rip ODA.
Not that I'm going to miss it really. But its replacement adds more incentive to stay in Dual Wield as much as possible.
fallen escarp
Weapon Genius + Combat Elite.
Lol.
pearl garden
I'll miss it just because it offered another way of playing the character.
fallen escarp
It's like Blossom Enthusiast + Thorny Bloom.
pearl garden
New Smogbound is funny.
fallen escarp
New Smogbound is old Smogbound but better.
pearl garden
It will make Energy Blade whomps with launchers more consistent. Or really just any low effect % Weapon. Talisman meta now??? [Answer: No.]
junior wave
lucid nova
In the patch notes it says dmg exceeding 1billion will be displayed differently, I assume this is for Total dmg? Cuz if not thats a different way of saying "we increased the dmg cap"
glad iris
lucid nova
sad
got a little exited for a moment
also whats up with all the fucking buffs in the patch notes????
fallen escarp
Probably the same thing that's up with all the buffs in every single other regular update since forever.
violet kiln
what's the difference between Boundless Dream and Endless Journey?
just that one has a time limit to unlock the next area?
or are there more differences?
fallen escarp
Boundless Dream has no timer, no scroll cap, lets vaults spawn and lets you get extra ascensions from bosses.
weak quarry
time to Owl up then
lucid nova
Boundless Dream has no timer, no scroll cap, lets vaults spawn and lets you get ...
does it still count as endless dream stages on player profile?
hearty temple
kind void
alr illusion
upbeat drift
decent illusion frfr
upbeat drift
its just okay amirite
fsfs
upbeat drift
okayish illusion
okayish run (stage 2 btw)
soft jasper
scary shit
upbeat drift
the boss lasted 2 seconds
soft jasper
moment
kind void
soft jasper
ioa
upbeat drift
it only lasted that long because i forgot to reload after upgrading lol
void quail
soft jasper
ioa
upbeat drift
Me When playing with owl in the Boundles Dream:
enemies literally don't have enough health for me to get damage now
I need an immortal for damage
hardy field
this feels illegal lmfao
upbeat drift
this feels illegal lmfao
mines worse lol
hardy field
at least i'm not the only person thinks boundless dream with owl is too OP
scenic sparrow
did they fix the lag in this update for endless mode in mp?
lucid nova
upbeat drift
lol, took you 21 stages to kill him 1 sec faster 🥱
lucid nova
2 sec faster? i killed him through invincibility
killed him before he fucking spawned 🥱
kind void
when the min-maxed build outperforms the non min-maxed build
upbeat drift
killed him before he fucking spawned 🥱
didn't get there sub 10 mins, point invalid
upbeat drift
try better
nope, needs to be sub 10
lucid nova
still havent seen ur sub 10 run buddy
upbeat drift
still havent seen ur sub 10 run buddy
I sent it literally the day after
alzheimers speedrun
kind void
(sub 10)
kind void
pie when his wife takes longer than 10 minutes to deliver his son (he has to restart the run)
upbeat drift
i can stream an easy sub 10 run rn, no resets
I can stream a 20 hour video of silence and find it more entertaining
nimble flint
We good here or do I need to be active ?
lucid nova
we good :)
lucid nova
https://tenor.com/view/really-heum-hmm-dog-face-gif-13062446944000319332
he isnt winning this argument, atleast i have proof i can do it lol
wont go anywhere unless i see some actual proof
kind void
not an argument, friendly dispute
upbeat drift
wont go anywhere unless i see some actual proof
aww, why are you continuing it?
kind void
atomic perch
Hows Combat Elite performing?
fallen escarp
Gotta buff Atomic Bomb without making it look like an Atomic Bomb buff.
fallen escarp
Life Power still exists.
fallen escarp
And First Strike. And Counterviolence. And Skilled Trick.
fallen escarp
Those are all blessings.
fallen escarp
Overconsumption then.
fallen escarp
Both generally offensive and defensive, like One Dog Army was.
vernal delta
I feel like it now it's only dual-wield with him, I know it his gimmick with the explosives, but now its go dual or miss dmg?
vernal delta
fallen escarp
So that was the true compensation for the buffs that I've been asking for all along. Ohhh I get it now!
Buff everything, but also make playstyles less diverse so you have less things to try out!
vernal delta
lol
fallen escarp
And with endless mode, it'll get even less diverse as people are eventually forced to use Tao, use Miasma, or suffer from slow battles!
I believe this is what is called "malicious compliance".
Giving the people who complained exactly what they want, despite the harm it would do to them.
vernal delta
oof
my only complain is to make doggo dual only
but idk now
if they fix it they prob delete something else lmao
fallen escarp
my only complain is to make doggo dual only
Also malicious compliance.
Because a non-Dual-Wield doggo still exists.
We in the business call it "Atomic Dog".
fallen escarp
Yes. Your only option is now to use the build so broken that it's unfun past the first 5 minutes.
vernal delta
I mean atomic was always an option along the way if you managed to get the key parts
fallen escarp
Oh and that new Combat Elite blessing also buffs Atomic Dog.
So even more malicious compliance.
vernal delta
what would be even more nice
would be to have that explosion blessing from sa in the normal course
fallen escarp
And then have it be buffed to double or triple its original power.
vernal delta
XD
fallen escarp
Because compared to blessings, spiritual ascensions are underpowered, so it'll definitely be buffed if it were to happen.
vernal delta
no but atomic was good already idk why the buff
the hard part its always just to get the key components
maybe it's actually just dual buff cuz no one actually duals and goes atomic? X)
fallen escarp
Heh, that's the same thought process that got Falling Star builds buffed.
X is so overpowered that Y looks bad in comparison, despite the fact it's still good.
So yes, that could genuinely be the reason. Because people weren't dual-wielding.
weak quarry
first run in new patch had hidden transaction and that curse that gives you extra upgrades
I think I had a +17 weapon by the end of act 1 or something, it was insane
soft jasper
hm
Counterviolence + Painkiller + First Strike or Counterviolence + Painkiller + Copycat on a nona flamethrower build
fallen escarp
I don't think it matters. You're melting regardless.
soft jasper
I don't think it matters. You're melting regardless.
fair enough
i love the flamethrower. easily one of the funniest weapons
hollow prism
do u get more benefits the higher u put the player count for Lone Wolf?
fallen escarp
Technically yes.
You get more copper, soul essence and kill stacks from the higher number of enemies.
You also get more weapons from Elite Gathering events.
fallen escarp
Almost always Occult Booster.
fallen escarp
Useless once you hit about 9000 copper or more.
Depending on when you get it, you might discard it before endless even begins.
hollow prism
so just try to hit 9000/high as possible then discard?
fallen escarp
Pretty much.
hollow prism
👍
atomic perch
So I guess at some point in boundless dream you can pretty much just run infinitely?
fallen escarp
At any point you can run infinitely.
atomic perch
Seems like it
fallen escarp
The stuff you need you can get before looping even starts.
atomic perch
Man every time I come back to this game it just gets easier and easier
Damage capped pretty early but wanted to find some more interesting guns
I guess its a good thing timewise that so many builds can just go off the rails though
thorny quiver
12b dmg against gluttony, out dmged his shield regen with primary. lol.
ripe shale
Is overwhealming abyss good on turtle with tidal punch
vague plover
i got bored and left the endless
cobalt dock
you can’t lose so
forest basin
I think the recycle buffs outpace the like 3% enemy damage resist lol
does getting enemy damage resist to 100% do anything?
soft jasper
I think the recycle buffs outpace the like 3% enemy damage resist lol
does getti...
yeah it makee them not take damage i think
forest basin
if that's the case then boundless does end eventually I guess
proud shale
I think the recycle buffs outpace the like 3% enemy damage resist lol
does getti...
Capped at 90%
latent oak
Boundless dr scaling is wayyy too slow the game hasn't changed in 2 fkn hours
It's gotta be less of a chore cus it's just a pissing contest
cobalt dock
its a sandbox
mighty tide
guys
one quick question
the devs were supposed to be releasing a new mod related to gameplay, right?
but I think it wasn't supposed to be related to endless journey and boundless dream
I think the devs were actually working on a new game type, but since the players had so much opinions on the endless journey
they just separated it and decided to tell us it's a new game type
do you guys think there was supposed to be a actual new gameplay?
real viper
Can anyone direct me or link me to a really solid owl build for reincarnation and just general learning. I'm failing hard navigating through the discord to locate one
bleak quest
Can anyone direct me or link me to a really solid owl build for reincarnation an...
Explosive Hand, Perfect Deck 1/2/3, Under Control 1/2/3, Lucky Day, and Card Printer 1/2/3
Other blessings are optional but I go for copycat and painkiller
ripe shale
whats the diffrence between endless boundlesss dream and endless journey
kind void
whats the diffrence between endless boundlesss dream and endless journey
in endless journey the stages are timed, theres a cap to how many scrolls and ascensions you can have you can have, and goblets replace ascensions instead of you getting new ones, in boundless dream the game only ends if you leave or die and you can hold an unlimited amount of scrolls as well as getting a new ascension after every boss
ripe shale
in endless journey the stages are timed, theres a cap to how many scrolls and as...
so endless is good if you want it to be balanced
vague plover
boundless is good for fun or soul essence farming
sadly the soul cap is 25k
ripe shale
sadly the soul cap is 25k
is there a cap on endless?
ripe shale
boundless is good for fun or soul essence farming
i like suffrering so ill do endless
vague plover
the soul cap is 25k for the entire game
u can keep getting souls in the run but they never go over 25k
ripe shale
is there anything else i can run to make the game harder lol
real viper
Quick question. How do i get the UI to display my total damage like ive seen in screenshots as like 1,222,333,444 instead of 1,222M
vague plover
is there anything else i can run to make the game harder lol
no scroll and foundry only
XD
ripe shale
no scroll and foundry only
ill pass LMAO
idk why im tryin to make myself suffer when im still dying on stage 1 sometimes lol
vague plover
lol
the game makes itself harder for me
it took me 2:30h in boundless to get the dual edge scroll XD
the game refused to drop it
ripe shale
every dog run i try i get clapped early game
vague plover
it sucks the achievement of beating the monarch and the fat dude in a single run is bound to endless journey
bleak quest
Quick question. How do i get the UI to display my total damage like ive seen in ...
I don't think there's a way to change it tbh
cobalt dock
this is the future
real viper
Oh then how do people get the screenshots with the full numbers?
cobalt dock
they took the screenshot before yesterdays patch
real viper
Gotcha
bleak quest
I didn't realize that you could als do boundless on R9, not that it'll change much because I was already 1 hitting everything here, but I decided to end my suffering at stage 420 since it was boring
bleak quest
when are they 90% then
The DR increases really slowly in boundless, it wouldn't have affected me that much unless bosses since I was doing a paranormality strat
cobalt dock
looks in the early stages like 0.5% per but damn
bleak quest
Yesh
cobalt dock
i'll just do endless
bleak quest
Just got really boring due to how much white noise it was
vague plover
I didn't realize that you could als do boundless on R9, not that it'll change mu...
bruh thats fast af 1:30h to reach 420
bleak quest
bruh thats fast af 1:30h to reach 420
nah I just took breaks, I did 100 rooms each and saved
it resets the timer every time you do that
bleak quest
if I didn't do all the vaults I could've probably saved a lot
vague plover
i would love to see the full timer
soft jasper
if I didn't do all the vaults I could've probably saved a lot
does boundless have no scroll cap?
fallen escarp
Yes.
soft jasper
thats silly, i like that
gonna try boundless if i dont die in stage 3 today 💪
smh "r9 is easier than r8" my arse
bleak quest
I find Nightmare easy but that's because I already ran it so many times that I'm used to it
I find R9 easy because I like breaking the shit out of this game
fallen escarp
Well they're both easy. The difference is Nightmare has you dealing with weaker enemies. R9 has you Painkiller'ing your problems away so you deal with non-threats.
soft jasper
problem with nightmare is you dont do any damage unless you build for crit..
glad iris
fallen escarp
Yes you do, because you don't need to do as much damage.
soft jasper
Yes you do, because you don't need to do as much damage.
well
you have like
10x less damage than you would on reincarnation
but enemies have only say, 2x less health
this is inaccurate and wrong but thats how it felt
fallen escarp
R7/8/9 enemies get x5.9, x9.4, x13.6 or x17.1 health multipliers.
Nightmare has x2.4.
So it's between x2.46 and x7.13 less health.
Not that it really matters that much, because Reincarnation scaling is off the charts.
It's not that you don't do damage in Nightmare, it's that you do too much in Reincarnation.
One-shotting everything by act 3 isn't a good indication of difficulty in a game.
somber solar
Yo, Mr. Cup of @mystic shoal, can you please reveal to us what Tao blessing you used to achieve your stage 1000 endless?
fallen escarp
They're in the #hall-of-fame, besides the Lone Wolf one.
somber solar
i can't recognize the icons in the results screen, lol
i don't play Tao enough to know them by icons
ripe shale
yo without any cheesy bizzare dreams r9 is impossible
fallen escarp
yo without any cheesy bizzare dreams r9 is impossible
Everything in this game is possible with enough skill.
If a difficulty is too hard for you, play on a lower one.
ripe shale
my modifrers rn are jokul and lone wolf 4 but with no blessing and its so hard but i wanna get through it
somber solar
That's what wiki is for.
Aww, but i'm lazy to do research myself ;_;
But ohwell, i'll try to muster up enough effort to start researching
ripe shale
my modifrers rn are jokul and lone wolf 4 but with no blessing and its so hard b...
are there any other modifers that can make it harder?
fallen escarp
Technically Transcendent Arsenal.
glad iris
Interdependent Fortunes
fallen escarp
Interdependent Fortunes and Mission From Above also count if you sabotage yourself and suck at doing tasks, respectively.
ripe shale
Technically Transcendent Arsenal.
how would that make it harder?
fallen escarp
When Arsenal Guards appear in vaults, they replace the scroll chest.
Also challenge events appear in all vaults.
somber solar
Also challenge events appear in all vaults.
Did not know that part about Trascendent.
fallen escarp
I'm not surprised.
I'd expect most of the time people are either so powerful they don't even notice the vault has a challenge event, or they don't turn it on at all because it's useless to them.
bleak quest
Gotta love it when they give you point blank during a R9 act 1 vault
soft jasper
Also challenge events appear in all vaults.
transcendent does that?
soft jasper
Gotta love it when they give you point blank during a R9 act 1 vault
whats point blank
nimble flint
you do only dmg within 12m of enemies
ripe shale
ive decided to give up on challenging myself to do r9 with lone wolf 4 with no gained modifer
hexed lagoon
Do people mostly play with or without transcendent arsenal?
pearl garden
I play without, most seem to play with.
The only clue I have on that is through the people that post here, however, so that could be a wrong assumption. People show off their arsenal weapons here a lot.
deep ore
so apparently extravagant consumption caps out at 60,000 stacks
this i have learned because I am now cruising through a true endless run
we do be going along
stage 9999 is on the cards
with time
right now im trying to find something to replace this rainbow eventually
cause it's dps is starting to peter off for the really high health enemies like bosses
and for some reason elite mandrills
i'm really not sure why but elite mandrills are a lot more tanky than any other elite
deep ore
wait they do?
shit
i didn't actually set it to be boundless in my run since this predates the update
deep ore
but i did get a "welcome to boundless dream" prompt when i restarted my run
cobalt dock
boundless is casual version
deep ore
im pretty sure nothing can go past 2147483640 health
cobalt dock
wait that lvl tho
deep ore
yeah
cobalt dock
did the patch break old runs? xd
cobalt dock
you are not
cobalt dock
+1000 please
deep ore
pshaw
i'm going all the way to stage 9999
i have time to get a +9999 weapon too
if that's even possible
shit i might have time to get a +9999 Foundry lol
cobalt dock
remember that challange events can drop weapons on the level of your gun
deep ore
oh THATS how that happens
cobalt dock
so get a Frenzied shark
deep ore
i thought that was a bug
cobalt dock
its when it comes out the crystal
deep ore
you are not
thought: is it possible that they quietly removed the upgrade cap this patch
i don't see a patchnote for it but they have left things off the patchnotes before
cobalt dock
quite sure i've seen 300s these few days
deep ore
okay so this run really is unique
i will be keeping a slot for triple comeback on then lmao
also hang on
if 300 is a hard cap, how did cryorus get a +313 brick
was the upgrade cap implemented when they added endless journey
i suppose through this i may have the chance to get the rainbow to rule them all lmao
and the illusion / angelic aura to rule them all too lol
jury's out on which of those i'll be getting. i'll probably pick up the one that has the god inscriptions first
cobalt dock
was the upgrade cap implemented when they added endless journey
yes it was
deep ore
...has anyone gone really far specifically on endless journey without boundless journey
maybe the cap applies to boundless journey but not endless journey now?
cobalt dock
Teaa got to 1000
deep ore
yeah but that was before this
cobalt dock
a speedruner guy is at +1200
deep ore
oh
cobalt dock
this
you'd have to ask if just came back to the run now after update
as his run is also started before boundless
deep ore
yeah
i just realy don't want it to be a bug
because that means it might get hotfixed out
and that would really suck
id rather that me and jon were just the first to get far enough to realize the cap doesn't apply to endless journey anymore
illusion has to be the best single target weapon in the game
it just has to be
illusion with the exclusive and fobp and e-elemental magazine and no rof boosts deals 194 hits per second when above 100% LS
on average
...i think?
wait does e-elemental magazine trigger per hit or per shot
on my rainbow it appears to trigger per hit but i have so much rof that it's hard to tell
fallen escarp
Not sure. I do know it only triggers once per hit/shot (whichever it is) though, so multiple elemental effects triggering at once is as disappointing as getting a Frenzied Shark for christmas.
deep ore
what i wonder is if the enhanced version triggers an extra hit for every single LS / crit in a shot
or if it just triggers per shot
that would swing the hps wildly back in favor of aa/scalpel if it were the latter
since it also gets much more benefit from fobp
fallen escarp
Also, Angelic Aura can get +projectile inscriptions which bump its base hit count from 24/s to up to like... 96/s. Without FobP or Elemental Magazine.
fallen escarp
Somewhere around 384 hits per second.
deep ore
there's an issue, which is that proj +0.2 only works if you use it as your main weapon
and i've learned that you relaly really need autoaim to clear rooms fast
there's killstreak auto crit but that's not very reliable
so apples to apples im not including it since i don't think ill be using this as my primary
fallen escarp
Half that with +1 proj, +100% consumption would still end up being up to 192/s though. Somewhere around that.
fallen escarp
Oh yes, the +0.2 projectiles and +0.2 projectile/+RoF when above 50% mag exists too.
deep ore
true
fallen escarp
I don't believe Illusion can get the latter, which does 2 very useful stats.
deep ore
i think illusion can
it just has a lot less benefit
all the math im running implies that illusion is probably about at parity with AA if you hit all your shots
fallen escarp
AA being way easier to hit all your shots.
Even if it does suffer from peashooter pellets at considerable distance.
mystic shoal
i have time to get a +9999 weapon too
It caps at 300
Round 9999 sounds fun however unless it has been fixed, your chances are slim
What I mean is that you stop saving at 812, and the game will get unstable
You'd have to keep your PC on Gunfire 24/7
deep ore
if illusion has the exclusive, +10% rof on crit, and rof50/.2proj and AA has proj+1, +10% rof on crit, and rof50/.2proj, and fobp and e-elemental magazine is in play, and all shots hit and crit/LS
f = base hits per second (projectiles * base firerate) * fobp factor * / + elemental magazine factor (possible elemental magazine hits per second, either shots per second or a factor of 2) * 2.5 (rof boost total, assuming all rof boosts are additive with each other)
for illusion, figures for both elemental magazine working on per hit and per shot bases. base hps is calculated at 63.9 under prevailing conditions
per hit = (63.9 * 1.51 * 2.5) * 2 = 482.445 hps
per shot = (63.9 * 1.51 * 2.5) + 13.5 = 254.7225 hps
angelic aura meanwhile calculates base hps at 52.8 under prevailing
per hit = (52.8* 1.93 * 2.5) * 2 = 509.52 hps
per shot = (52.8 * 1.93 * 2.5) + (24*2.5) = 314.76 hps
so okay
exclusive illusion is slightly inferior in raw hps to a proj+1 aa
now i wonder if the increased fobp factor would actulaly make a non-exclusive illusion the better pick
fallen escarp
Probably not. You'd only lose what, 3.75 projectiles (13.125% chance of extra hit).
I'd rather keep the extra projectiles.
deep ore
its actually a massive drip
377hps vs 482
so yeah not worth it
i do wonder though, since illusion has a much higher hits per shot, if it can actually cross certain health thresholds faster than AA could
since pellets reach the target at about the same time
deep ore
true
though you could just keep firing it constantly
you should have some sort of infinite ammo by that point anyway
fallen escarp
Only during a battle or if you get time at the start of one.
deep ore
hmm
yeah AA seems to be the best for a "i need to kill a particularly tanky enemy"
you need to deal 143.1 hits to kill a health capped enemy
deep ore
It caps at 300
my +655 rainbow begs to differ
good to know about the save issues past stage 812 though
ill keep an eye out once i get there, i'm only at 209 right now
mystic shoal
Probs
deep ore
i really hope it isnt because i don't want it to get hotfixed away
but while i have it i'll try and push the weapon as far as i can get it
mystic shoal
good to know about the save issues past stage 812 though
Yeah if that's not fixed that'll mess with you
deep ore
does it just, like, never save ever and if you die or crash the runs over
or does it just kick you back to stage 812
mystic shoal
Non stop gunfire for approximately more than a mobth
mystic shoal
or does it just kick you back to stage 812
When you exit the game it'll put you back at 812 unless it decides to softlock you from gun fire in general
mystic shoal
If you're going for 9999, bare in mind your game will go on for like a month unless you unhealthily grind all day
mystic shoal
I assume since this is pre patch, boss health cap is the same?
mystic shoal
honestly im questioning whether 9999 is worth it
It ain't worth it
deep ore
yeah but the bragging rights tho
mystic shoal
I have my bragging rights for the first man to 1000 lol
deep ore
getting a weapon to +999 or more would be a fine consolation though
since i'd be first to that
...unless jon beats me
curses, i have to sleep and do work tomorrow too
mystic shoal
I mean, I won't have the wr for the highest round, but at least I have bragging rights for the person who pushed the game to 1000 lol
deep ore
i mean i guess if anything i'm either one of the first or one of the very lucky few that will have held a weapon beyond +300
the only other recorded ones being jon, cryorus, lemon, and mrfailology
i can live with that
oh
OH
I SEE
I UNDERSTAND
okay
if you close your game it rips it back down to +300
yeah
it was bugged
and it only works in the first session since the hotfix
i guess that means that i'll never get to +999 now... sadge
+655 isn't bad though
depresso
well shit i'm fucking glad i got record of that then
@twilit chasm it's up to you now, you gotta take a weapon to +999 in my stead
as far as i and anyone knows you're literally the only person that can do it
deep ore
part of me is really frustrated that you could definitely overtake me but part of me is also, like
i'm literally one of 5 people to ever get a weapon above 300
how mad can i be at that
fallen escarp
how mad can i be at that
Make maitele Mad Update
• Bizarre Dream
• Boundless Journey
• Weapon level is no longer capped at 300.
• Craftsmen no longer have a reduced chance to appear.
• Spiritual Blessings
• Added:
• Ceaseless Upgrades: +1 enhancements at the Craftsman. Enhancement cost reduced by 50%. Weapons can be enhanced beyond the limit, but costs 50% more copper each time.
• Adjusted:
• Double Tap
Old: Upon hitting an enemy with a weapon, deal DMG based on the weapon's Base DMG and Projectile count, including all bonuses applied to the triggering hit. (CD: 0.3s)
New: Upon hitting an enemy with a weapon, deal DMG based on the weapon's Base DMG and Projectile count, including all bonuses applied to the triggering hit. (CD: 0.3s/0.5s/1s against normal/elite/boss enemies)
deep ore
well
No matter what
Unless Jon got reciepts
I'm the first person to ever bring a weapon above +500
Yes
That's the line I'm going with
NOBODY CAN TAKE THIS INCREDIBLY SPECIFIC ACCOMPLISHMENT AWAY FROM ME (UNLESS PROVEN OTHERWISE)
I JUST WANT A SPOT IN THE HALL OF FAME
mystic shoal
cobalt dock
**Make maitele Mad Update**
• Bizarre Dream
• Boundless Journey
• We...
it is important to keep traditions 
fallen escarp
Indeed it is.
deep ore
fallen escarp
bleak quest
I've never seen someone so passionate about a bug in gunfire before
fallen escarp
Fun fact: Assuming you had Enhanced Hidden Transaction but didn't have Premium Membership, and you maxed out on copper at every craftsman, using that fake blessing Ceaseless Upgrades you would be able to enhance your weapon 15 times at every craftsman, for an average of 20 levels.
It would cost you 52.5k copper each time, but can't deny the results.
mystic shoal
Scuffed steam deck photo of silly Elemental Effect chance
twilit chasm
<@205126183979974657> it's up to you now, you gotta take a weapon to +999 in my ...
i closed my game but im sure itll bug again, i have the day off so i might just mindlessly grind
deep ore
unfortunate
deep ore
Does that scrub your progress to higher stages too
twilit chasm
probs 10k
twilit chasm
and can confirm you can upgrade weapons that spawn over lvl 300 https://i.imgur.com/B0w0Dly.jpeg
deep ore
Okay that makes sense
Now I'm getting it
The secret is that it doesn't make sense at all
If I had to guess, that weapon will also fall back to +300 upon reloading your save
twilit chasm
yea
deep ore
well that does give me some hope
I was setting my target for stage 1337 before but if saves still work past 812 then I'm down to make it a club
Interesting to see that it's actually still possible to get your etch too
twilit chasm
gimme like 10 mins and ill let you know
deep ore
I wonder what the max level before it becomes more expensive than the money cap is
twilit chasm
etch at 322 was 65000
deep ore
325 would be the breakpoint I think
Cause it's 200 per level
Ah no
328
If at 328 the cost is 65535 then you can always etch
Otherwise beyond 328 it's impossible
Actually there would be a way regardless
You'd just have to sacrifice a stage or two
And take craftsman's inheritor
twilit chasm
yea
deep ore
which, honestly, when you're that deep in the run, isn't exactly a killer
You probably have like an hour plus spare lol
It'd be absolute pain until you get rid of it tho
barren wharf
They added a hoard of emotions and kept the number of slots in the wheel at 3
Is this a joke?
deep ore
You must select your brand of toxic wisely
barren wharf
Then I'd say they successfully restricted our level of toxicity with their own
twilit chasm
Otherwise beyond 328 it's impossible
yup can no longer etch w/o inheritor https://i.imgur.com/BrDqdGw.jpeg
deep ore
good to know
so the optimal time to find a new weapon is between when +301 and +327 weapons drop
so now im wondering
oh
wait i haven't factored everything yet
weird
for some reason it feels like my rainbow kills things faster than a similarly set up scalpel
that doesn't track with how it shoud work though since the scalpel is still hitting dmg cap every hit and should have a much higher hps
twilit chasm
i think injectors might have an theoretical infinite rate of fire with the sword mastery bug
since the beam is instant
i noticed this too
deep ore
though perhaps wildfire works the same way?
cobalt dock
i believe one of his blessings are doing something weird
cobalt dock
dmg cap/combustion related, not rof
cobalt dock
should be 90m
deep ore
oh
then i'm not doing the bug
my blessings are copycat / el.maestro / superior craftsman atm
cobalt dock
combustion is fire by default now a days
so if your hit does 2000 the combustion does 6000
against health
deep ore
that explains it then
i did think i saw some 89m hits in the cacophony on some other enemies
refresher: scalpel and aa are functionally the same in terms of hps righ
cobalt dock
ye
deep ore
oh wait that's right
mystic shoal
I have a very funny scalpel
deep ore
im still under the assumption that proj+1 is additive with the two shot mode
cobalt dock
I have a very funny scalpel
you have mine
deep ore
i keep forgetting that
mystic shoal
you have mine
I modified it
cobalt dock
enhancted?
deep ore
ok so i can safely take my pick between the one i like more
mystic shoal
Trying to get multiple on it
And it has another exclusive
deep ore
personally i much prefer scalpel's sound and feel overall
lucid nova
bear still likes to die before he finished all his phases lol
i guess he still cant handle piercing flame
bleak quest
how is craftsman there
That looks like the transcendent arsenal dude
cobalt dock
nope, thats arsenal
twilit chasm
its the arsenal dude
cobalt dock
you should, no point in not if you are going endless
bleak quest
Some crazy stuff can go on
deep ore
lmao
lucid nova
doesnt even require that much setup
lucid nova
it be wacky indeed
lucid nova
does it just bypass the cap entirely
sorta yes
it deal so much dmg that the game bugs out and does magic
its my own special sauce to break the game :D
cobalt dock
not sure if anyone has replicated it
lucid nova
cuz everyone has shitty piercing flames
if you want i can send my save and you can try it out urself
cobalt dock
mayybe
cobalt dock
sure, im bored
bleak quest
if you want i can send my save and you can try it out urself
can I try that out
deep ore
this got me fucked up
this is either an absolute god roll
or ruined by the lightning conversio
and im not sure which
i think I need to find a fire rainbow
actually no
this isn't a god roll
i think the auto aim might be a bad one to have
cobalt dock
i had one like it, rolled into lightning so i had to drop it
deep ore
literally exactly what happened ot me lmao
im thinknig about keeping it and giving it the element gemini
that'd solve the problem with it not having the fire advantage
honestly at the scaling point I'm at literally every Gemini is a waste of time except for in this case the element share
…except, perhaps, spores
i gave it up
i found one that might be a little better
dusty apex
Girlfriend was trying to reach 420 on a weapon because haha funny number only to have her dreams ruined by there being a level 300 limit we did not know about
deep ore
yeah
there are ways past it
if you go REALLY deep into endless
and i mean like
stage 1000+
you can find weapons that already are beyond +300
and upgrade those freely
mystic shoal
Girlfriend was trying to reach 420 on a weapon because haha funny number only to...
Go far enough for weapons from the peddler to go 300+ then revive her dreams
twilit chasm
the game starts to get really bad desync at like 1400+
vivid crane
Does Double Explosions also double the -3s cooldown on Combat Elite or is it the same
lucid nova
oopsie :D
@bleak quest give it a try, pretty simple to pull it off
also if it for some reason doesnt work in the current run, try starting a new one ig. it has been very consistent across multiple runs
bleak quest
<@266387545850511360> give it a try, pretty simple to pull it off
thank you good sir
lucid nova
going to try to reach stage 10000 across the span of a few months to see what the actual space time boundry is of this game
deep ore
that makes 3
lucid nova
whar?
deep ore
jonwillbert and i are also trying to go for stage 10000
lucid nova
oh cool
lucid nova
it actually did
pretty frequently
the only times it didnt work was stage 50+ endless (not boundless)
when the dr is 80% + it didnt work anymore
@barren wharf
cant really see the reincarnation level here but this was before boundless dream was released so it was R9 second loop
deep ore
@twilit chasm does boss health scale infinitely for you or is there a second, higher cap to it
im admittedly getting a litle concerned about how high the health is getting on these bosses
thats far beyond the 16 bit unsigned limit
twilit chasm
my bosses are sitting around 15 billion hp https://i.imgur.com/dGbHg7A.jpeg
still increasing
ripe shale
dual weild dog is so luck based its impossible to use
lucid nova
really isnt tbh
streaming endless gameplay in general vc if any1 wants to watch
finally
hey wanna break the game? use this
bleak quest
funny
lucid nova
funny bug everywhere :D
fiery wasp
Did they remove One Dog Army???
fiery wasp
For why though that was my favorite blessing in the entire game
Sad and Goofy 
fallen escarp
My guess? Compared to his other blessings, it was weak.
So they had to... give it a little improvement.
While also changing it completely.
nimble flint
To be fair
His blessings completely ignored the explosive weapon use
Atomic dog is just his nades and not the whole launcher and other explosion weapons
fallen escarp
Every blessing he had besides Atomic Bomb helped out explosive weapons.
Not directly, but they did.
nimble flint
Thats not the point
fallen escarp
One Dog Army in particular.
Because none of his explosion ascensions required Dual-Wield to be active, which is how One Dog Army worked.
nimble flint
It was just this whole aspect of his character wasnt represented in any form
heavy prawn
They removed my favorite one too
and made it a goblet buff
its still funny but not as funny as it was back then
fallen escarp
Which one, Backfire?
heavy prawn
unstoppable momentum
fallen escarp
Nah that blessing's effects got completely removed from the game.
The ascension version is completely different.
nimble flint
Thats what was said.. THe ascension version is completely different but same name
Ascensions are what you get from the goblets
reef creek
Okay, two days late but just realised there was an entire patch, wtf
heavy prawn
46% Damage resistant final boss vs DOuble end game Zi
reef creek
What is the juiciest change? I think Rabbit is looking pretty fucking good
Am I reading wrong?
bleak quest
nice
heavy prawn
whats the difference between the 2 endless options
the one by the play button and the one in the top right
fallen escarp
whats the difference between the 2 endless options
#gunfire-faq
vivid crane
One thing I wanted to ask about Combat Elite was if Double Explosions doubled the cooldown reduction
Since you get -3s of cooldown per grenade
hexed lagoon
what options do people typically select when playing in Reincarnation?
I typically steer away from interdependent fortunes (too easy) and mission from above
fallen escarp
They typically select everything except Transcendent arsenal, because many people prefer the game to be easier and offer bigger numbers.
Although now with Boundless Dream, Transcendent Arsenal is probably also selected.
hexed lagoon
i see.
does anyone know if the damage increases in smogbound zone or elemental maestro are multiplicative or additive?
fallen escarp
Likely both are multiplicative.
Debuffs on enemies are pretty much all multiplicative, which Smogbound Zone does, and- uh. Hmm...
Update notes for Elemental Maestro mention total DMG. In-game description is just DMG.
Could be either, to be honest. My money is on multiplicative though.
latent oak
how does highest dmg dealt work
valid zephyr
you are not
hmm they mightve changed it as I was able to get a weapon past lvl 300
mint shore
Yes! Finally beat stage 3 the first time with Qing Yan
Spore Gemini and the whole gemini thing is so op
fallen escarp
Yes. Yes it is.
lucid nova
So I thought I would be a good idea to grind 10000 stages on r1 boundless dream but oh boy is it boring and holyshit does it take long before the dr and health scaling starts being noticable
Slight regret i didnt put in on r9
fallen escarp
R9 probably wouldn't have made much of a difference.
lucid nova
Im at stage 230rn and im on like 400 billion dmg. But when i was playing endless i reached a trillion at stage 103
fallen escarp
I'd imagine the most difference it would make is the scaling becomes noticeable slightly sooner, and you'll create new swear words from constantly dealing with horsehead "no" shields.
lucid nova
Actually, the main reason i went for r1 was so i dont need to deal with the horseheads lol
fallen escarp
R7 or R8 could avoid that, if that's the only issue.
Would still get the maximum initial health multipliers.
lucid nova
Hmm true, little to late now, dont feel like restarting lol
Also im over half way of enhancing every scroll in the game
bleak quest
Im at stage 230rn and im on like 400 billion dmg. But when i was playing endless...
I ended mine at 420 because of how boring it was
At the Dr was at 70isb by 420
fallen escarp
People wanted less bullet spongy enemies in their endless mode. They got it.
Naturally, they also didn't realize the implications, but as long as they're having fun... or not having fun, whichever.
glad iris
I ended my boundless run at 88, I got bored earlier. Picked up a fire rainbow and watched everything die instantly at dmg cap.
latent oak
Sometimes i get this bug where i get 0 frame elite kills, like i only see numbers but the enemy fails to even spawn in.
lucid nova
I ended my boundless run at 88, I got bored earlier. Picked up a fire rainbow an...
thats my current situation
somber solar
Naturally, they also didn't realize the implications, but as long as they're hav...
A classic case of "be careful what you wish for", or Monkey Paw wishing..
cobalt dock
bear paw, if you will
fallen escarp
Should've settled for the fish.
deep ore
Could be either, to be honest. My money is on multiplicative though.
It felt multiplicative to me when I started messing with it
I definitely noticed that I was doing more damage with it vs smogbound
Given that we know for sure that one is multiplicative I'd guess maestro is too
cobalt dock
sorry, i tested it and it is
both are
and maestro removes the -25% from hitting the wrong defense type
deep ore
so i just had the wierdest bug
i couldn't pick up normal ammo
specifically normal ammo
every other ammo worked
just not normal
oh
quittting and reloading doesn't fix it
i htink my run is legitimately over then
because i literally cannot use my rainbow anymore
inland flicker
Guys, my saves are missing. I was playing this game long time ago and save files from steam cloud are gone. idk why
is it possible to retrieve data?
deep ore
it runs out of ammo permanently
this might be teh stupidest reason ive ever lost a run
im literally only on stage 375
why are fundamental mechanics breaking already
is my computer ust this garbage
WHY CAN I NOT PICK UP AMMO
im at a loss for words
i dont know what caused this but there doesn't seem to be a way to fix it
this is the worst
pearl garden
Guys, my saves are missing. I was playing this game long time ago and save files...
Usually people with this issue head over to #1060159100006178816 to report their data loss. I know in the past other players have helped provide a save file, too, but that comes with it stats that aren't yours which you may or may not care about. I'm unsure if there's a way to get your specific save file back.
inland flicker
Usually people with this issue head over to <#1060159100006178816> to report the...
i just followed this channel and 3 guys are not getting an answer
pearl garden
I haven't checked that channel in months, so apologies that there's a wait on a reply. Can be frustrating when you just wanna play a game you had a save for. Sometimes the devs are on holiday break or working on other things. I don't have a concrete answer, best I can do is suggest you be patient and hope for the best. Or find a player to give you a file.
nimble flint
#discord-announcements message
fallen escarp
and maestro removes the -25% from hitting the wrong defense type
Does it also remove the +50% damage from hitting the right defence type, or only the -25%?
blazing summit
what would be the most "consistent" build for qing yan* in reincarnation?
fallen escarp
The most consistent build for Qing Yan would be playing someone else.
Probably just shotguns.
Leap can be more powerful, but runs the risk of being particularly unlucky early on and making yourself super vulnerable.
cobalt dock
Does it also remove the +50% damage from hitting the right defence type, or only...
removes only the negative
meager nest
is there any build that would carry me through endless so I can get this achievement
I have been using the girl with iron wing
fallen escarp
Painkiller with an element share Rainbow is probably the closest thing to a carry that might work, I dunno.
Pretty much everything else relies on actual know-how and skill to pull it off.
fallen escarp
Lol.
cobalt dock
no bounds i guess
wanton dawn
what would be the most "consistent" build for qing yan* in reincarnation?
I’ve found a lot of success with leap once you’re past the beginning
lucid nova
hehe
cobalt dock
thats a milestone
latent oak
that's the dmg cap?
nimble flint
80 ish million per hit yes
with one of the lowest base dmg weapons in the game
so yes
milestone
the third one isnt as usefull from what I experienced on the Storm Chaser
Since at later points and higher difficulty you dont tend to run straight that much and strafe more making the bonus moot
the dmg bonus for when more than 1 enemy nearby would work better
stiff comet
<@103189364984549376> i did it, dmg cap with thunderclap
you can continue previous runs of boundless? :o
lucid nova
wdym?
lucid nova
oh yeah, just save the game at a campfire
lucid nova
pretty old feature lol
stiff comet
I came back to the game just recently
lucid nova
has been around for atleast a year if not more
stiff comet
I played for 5 hours yesterday
I only always saw "rest" on campfires the hecc
oh
does not work for coop
well... that's a shame
proud shale
Why's there 2 steam channels, I am not sure where to talk lol
discord has a 1000 member cap on forum channels
weak quarry
anyone knows why sometimes weapons drop with the same upgrade level as your most upgraded one?
it's handy, but I can't see a pattern for it.
bleak quest
anyone knows why sometimes weapons drop with the same upgrade level as your most...
I think a blue crystal has a chance to drop at the same level as your current weapon
weak quarry
oh, hm
thanks
minor surge
<@103189364984549376> i did it, dmg cap with thunderclap
i never realized he laughs when he gets kills
latent oak
80 ish million per hit yes
Hang on, where did 80 million come from?
vapid crag
idk if anyones reported this to bugs yet but it keeps defaulting to 2 player lone wolf instead of staying at what it was last time, does anyone else have this problem?
hexed lagoon
dumb question: does RoF increases work on how fast some weapons charge? Like bone dragon and thunder storm
fallen escarp
dumb question: does RoF increases work on how fast some weapons charge? Like bon...
No it doesn't. There are no ways to increase how fast weapons charge anymore.
The best it does is reduce the delay between shots, as usual. This however is a negligible bonus in comparison to the charge time.
glad iris
I've seen some new vaults but idk if they were added recently since I haven't played for a while.
nimble flint
I had been playing for quite a bit since endless was introduced
grrr
OBS mp4 isnt liked by discord
a moment
There
Never had this layout before , pure combat vault
bleak quest
Boundless Update added new Vaults ?
Yeah new vaults were added, previously it was some new routes when endless was added
nimble flint
With endless ?
I had hours and hours since endless and never encountered this type of vault
bleak quest
Endless doesn't have vaults in it silly
nimble flint
Since endless
I mean the Update
And First round still has vaults
And I have seen plenty of vault thanks to stupid horseheads
bleak quest
I think Anxi Desert only has one room added to it, the boundless update added some new vaults
That's about it
barren sequoia
so i played this game for the first time in a while, missed a lot of updates, is pole monarch just not the last boss in normal mode anymore?
or does he only appear sometimes now
lunar bridge
barren sequoia
is there a particular trigger for one or the other or just chance based like the other act bosses?
fallen escarp
Chance based.
fallen escarp
Gluttony doesn't stop you using melee builds.
If anything, Pole Monarch counters it harder in the way he moves around and has melee attacks.
barren sequoia
Gluttony doesn't stop you using melee builds.
i thought the pit stopped me from approaching, no?
or maybe i'm just dumb
fallen escarp
It does stop you from approaching.
Gluttony, much like Golem and Yoruhime-Maru, has a melee hitbox.
Melee attacks hit a magical invisible box that's closer, which damages the boss regardless.
tawny crow
Hello, I bought the latest dlc, and when starting the game it gets stuck on this screen... any solution?
glad iris
Did you try verifying files?
tawny crow
I'll try