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[proven sage]

+10bil dps

[alpine quartz]

im doing an endless run with Li (Fire Fox)

idk if my build is wack or something
but the dmg doesnt seem to compare to Owl Explosive Card or Red Panda

are their endgame fully built potential just higher then all other char?

[thorny parcel]

You hit the damage cap very easily in endless. Li's super powerful charged fireballs end up becoming just as strong as Owl's card spam or Nona's missile spam because of it.

But because card and missile spam hit more often, they do more damage in total.

[slender dock]

this is one BEAUTIFUL dagger

[tardy stone]

started playing yesterday and gotten to nightmare
been getting my ass eaten since then tho
any advice for qing yan?
getting only ascensions that increase my weapon dmg/defenses and taking the thorns for elemental ascension
also trying to mostly use shotguns (especially wild boar)
if i don't get a good shotty with nice affixes i feel helpless tho

[alpine quartz]

Damn isnt this like a perfect roll?

What do yall thiunk the best Orange inscriptions are?

[thorny parcel]

Not even close.

[alpine quartz]

Sorry i saw some vid saying that elem ball on crit is good

is the elem ball any good?

[thorny parcel]

They're reasonably good, but that's nowhere near a perfect roll.

For starters, 4 inscriptions instead of the maximum of 6.

That green inscription could be replaced with +65% total DMG vs any elemental effect which would just be better.

[alpine quartz]

ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh im getting f'ed by that scroll that forces 2 legendary inscript

[thorny parcel]

And unless something has changed recently, the Multiple enhancement doesn't even work on Sunder due to its fixed projectile pattern.

[alpine quartz]

on endless runs i should just distory this right

cause of that 4 max inscription

[thorny parcel]

Yes.

Or get the enhanced version, which has no downside.

[alpine quartz]

🫡

[tardy stone]

what inscriptions should i focus on getting on wild boar?

[slender dock]

solid revealer :3

[alpine quartz]

when i get painkiller which remant do i replace

remnant

[lunar solstice]

hello, is there a general build guide somewhere that shows which scroll/weapon/inscriptions synergize well with a particular hero's ascensions?

[thorny parcel]

The wiki has a few generalized builds on each hero's page.

[lunar solstice]

alright, thanks!

[alpine quartz]

the double Ball on Crit is prob better to keep right

in storage

[uneven vessel]

I mean if you want but me personally nah

whatever works for you tho

[proven sage]

i hate them, rather have a dmg exclusive

[royal anchor]

armed caster for sure, its mid af. it locks to into using snipers and the dmg is additive (wich is very very easy to obtain)

[pulsar briar]

I just cleared reincarnation 1 and then went through the continue portal for bizarre dream. If I die now would I gain access to reincarnation 2? Or do I need to actually return to the inn manually after a boss clear?

Also, is there a way to see my lucky shot chance without doing the math myself?

[royal anchor]

nope

[pulsar briar]

rip

do you know about the rincarnation question?

[royal anchor]

no clue, got all the reincarnations unlocked since forever so idk

just know that at stage 3 you can return to inn and counts as a win

[uneven vessel]

You go up a reincarnation level by
Returning to inn after stage 3 or 4
Dying or leaving on any round in Boundless

[pulsar briar]

so i can just go as far as possible this run and it still counts, nice. Thanks for the clarification!

[uneven vessel]

it sshould be because it is a success ending, not a loss ending :)
but myself I have been in Reincarnation 9 way before endless and boundless XD

[tough pike]

So how do duplicates work? I have not seen a single duplicate scroll then around stage 36 or something I only see duplicates smh

[mighty night]

is it normal to not be able to beat pole monarch at lvl 70

[thorny parcel]

Depending on your skill, yes.

[pulsar briar]

Elemental armor:
Decrease duration of elemental effects inflicted on the hero.

Is this not actually a debuff if you are running cat? Like, some of the key scrolls im after add an elemental effect to me intentionally to increase my damage.

Also, one of my favorite scrolls so far is paranormality (set hp to 1 but double shields). Does Life guardian level 1 work for this? "When hp is 100% your hp will be locked at 1 upon taking lethal damage, and you become invincible for 1 second"

[thorny parcel]

Only a debuff if you care about being affected by elemental effects for positive gain and cannot consistently sustain them. Otherwise, it's most certainly beneficial to you.

[thorny parcel]

Life Guardian still works with Paranormality.

[pulsar briar]

yeah obviously less burn/poison/shock is better most of the time, but since im building elemental, a lot of the time im going to have at least 1 of the self inflicted scrolls and more than likely a few of the negate negative effect scrolls

[blazing hearth]

What rares inscriptions should I put on these cloud weaver?

[slender dock]

why are so many of the shit guns so satisfyinggg ;w;

[thorny parcel]

Balance issues.

[slender dock]

;-;

[blazing hearth]

[slender dock]

it is time.

i have, an hp

he is die

of kill

[thorny parcel]

Caught a terminal case of lethal post-mortem death.

[slender dock]

infact

i didn't have enough damage to break his shield (it had like 20k/1.2m ;w;) and i nearly died

when he was going channel kamekameyamama

[slender dock]

gremlin gayming

[pulsar briar]

what might be capping my max shields?

ive just recently taken a "+X% max hp and max shields/armor" scroll and this value did not change

[thorny parcel]

HP is not Shield.

[pulsar briar]

just picked up enhanced good and evil (+15% max HP and sheilds/armor for each cursed scroll) I have 12 cursed scrolls

the value didnt change

[pulsar briar]

i meant max total hp

sanguine relic isnt total max hp so you were right for one of them, i just re-read it, but good and evil specifies both hp and shields

[alpine quartz]

can i still go back to main menu and come back to reroll Spirit blessing if im on that 1st area with the save well/bombfire thing?

or is that patched

[thorny parcel]

You can.

[alpine quartz]

and if i alt f4 out of it and come back is it saved?

[thorny parcel]

Should still be.

[slender dock]

why is this revealer doing so goddamn much damage ;w;

[proven sage]

🤷‍♂️

[uneven vessel]

Yes

[alpine quartz]

God damn this thing is beautiful

maybe more dmg lines on the last blue line but SHeeesh

im throwing that into my storage

[royal anchor]

its a flat value, not a percentage

[slender dock]

who would you goobs say is the most beginner friendly character?

[royal anchor]

anything but owl

prob dog

[slender dock]

oki

whot about the b n n u u y

[brave pewter]

dog and cat are both good

Honestly I'd suggest just picking who you like, you'll get used to them pretty quickly no matter who it is

[royal anchor]

most boring character imo

[pulsar briar]

Cat. Just started with 2 other people. Cat was clearly the easiest for all of us. We tried the other characters and always quickly returned to cat until we reached reincarnation

[alpine quartz]

Are we able to unlock multiple stuff per run?

cause im on stage 150 endless i did unlock 1 thhing during the run and after that the counter for demonlore doesnt seem to go up

[lime garnet]

yeah

[thorny parcel]

A bit late, but I'm surprised no one said Nona.

She literally has a buddy that shoots enemies and takes damage for you, without you needing to know what you're doing. That's very beginner friendly.

Detrimental to your future survival because you probably won't know how to survive alone, but still.

[alpine quartz]

how does dmg cap work on this game

is there global dmg cap or per weapon/shot type

[thorny parcel]

Per weapon/shot type.

[alpine quartz]

ayt tyy

[pulsar briar]

is 65535 the max money you can have?

or did i accidentaly limit it somehow like the wheel of fortune scroll

[thorny parcel]

That's the integer limit.

[pulsar briar]

wait wth is weapon level max?

i thought it was 300

but now im holding a level 306

[fathom tiger]

Sooooo we gonna buff Lei Luo?

[thorny parcel]

Why?

[proven sage]

it has been changed to 5000

[pulsar briar]

💀

i was going to get maxed for my first ever dream

[alpine quartz]

Best way to unlock dragon lore

[pulsar briar]

i guess ill have to stop it at stage 100 then

[alpine quartz]

246 Stage on Q spam Fire fox and it still hasnt unlocked wtf

[fathom tiger]

Cause he's C tier?

[thorny parcel]

Only due to powercreep with DLC heroes.

Buffing him would not fix that, it would just cause a similar problem for someone else.

And intensify the existing scaling problem where everything becomes too easy.

[alpine quartz]

The Demonlore lobster unlock
its okay if i do it with skills or does it HAVE to be guns?

[fathom tiger]

So would it better to nerf the DLC characters except for monkey?

[thorny parcel]

Significantly better.

[thorny parcel]

Any fire damage, including Burning. Doesn't include Combustion, instant kill effects or a non-fire weapon element sharing with a fire weapon.

[alpine quartz]

plzzz gimme 4 in 1 run plzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

[quick nacelle]

Have they given up on console version of this game? Or have they mentioned anything about bringing the dlcs and new content to console yet

Been awhile since ive checked in with gunfire

[pulsar briar]

can someone better explain what fish or bear paw does?

it does -50% damage to do "extra damage once"

Found this explanation

"With a sinlge projectile you have a 96.5 % chance per shot to deal 2 times 50% of your dmg"

#1145862164951879750 message

in what way is this good if its just 96.5% chance to to the same damage

and a 3.5% chance to do -50%

[lime garnet]

505 has said/ done absolutely nothing

[lime garnet]

Elemental proc chance, anything that needs x hits to proc

[uneven vessel]

Console is dead in the water

[uneven vessel]

He really doesn't need buffs lol

[uneven vessel]

Weapons: 10 mil
Weapons weak to enemies defense type: 7.5 mil
Weapons strong to enemies defense type: 15 mil
Skill: 30 mil
Thunder step: 22.5/45 mil
Combustion: 45 mil (90 mil with pyrodominance)
Tao's Swords with Furious Wave: 30/60/90 mil

Anything that deals true damage has no damage cap

[gusty mountain]

weapons 15mil? Isn't that ele advantage?

[uneven vessel]

actually yeah

my apologies I wrote this when I just woke up

yeah went and fixed it

[tough pike]

What has the highest base damage?

cause I wonder cause of flower chain perk

which weaponw ould be best to use

[proven sage]

not recommended, its use is to spread on-hit effects like Fatal Bloom, Spore or Giant Slayer

[tough pike]

so which weapon should I use?

rn i got thunderclap gloves

[proven sage]

thats good

[tough pike]

kk ty

[amber orchid]

So uh, what do I do exactly when I'm reconnecting and, clearly having internet connection from things like discord working just fine, it decides to still kick me from the 2 hour boundless dream run I'm on with my friend?

[alpine quartz]

is there any point in going Combined elemental Gemini once i have painkiller?
i should just go spore or Crit?

[thorny parcel]

You get to trigger Combustion and Miasma more often.

[alpine quartz]

out of Combust and miasma which do you prefer more?

or are they equally good and just take wtv i can?

[thorny parcel]

Really depends on your circumstances, but I prefer Combustion more.

Because using Combustion effectively actually requires you to do more than Shock + Decay like Miasma does.

[alpine quartz]

When you say combustion, its the same thing as explosion right?

Fire Decay?

[thorny parcel]

It's Burning+Decay, but it's not called Explosion.

Explosion is something completely different.

[alpine quartz]

ahh i was just going by this

[thorny parcel]

That's very outdated.

[alpine quartz]

welp xD

[thorny parcel]

This is a more up to date one.

[alpine quartz]

Do you happen to have any up to date or Scroll Tier list by any chance?
i think i got a good basic understanding but just incase

if not no worries

[thorny parcel]

Scroll, weapon, ascension, blessing, hero and whatever else tier lists are 100% subjective, so I don't care about them.

[royal anchor]

Source: my ass

Lei C tier is crazy

Dunne who told you that

Lei is argueably one of if not the fastest clearing characters when not in endless

[covert dirge]

C? what a joke

[pulsar briar]

how do i make use of the Transcendant Arsenal? I have stored the winning guns as I'm clearing up to reincarnation 9, and also used the available spots for guns I think would be fun to use. But by the time I gain access to them I already have a higher level gun.

I was expecting it to let me start runs with a specific gun from the arsenal. Then there is the risk of losing it if you fail a run before reaching the guard and imprint it again.

As it says the levels are scaled to your stage so its not like you would start the game 1 shotting everything in your path. But that scalling is so quickly outpaced that i have somewhere around +20 by the time i first gain access to the weapons and they are lower than +10

[proven sage]

use the guns in Boundless/Endless

good inscriptions are better then weapon lvls

[pulsar briar]

I mean I guess. But it takes me many tries to clear each reincarnation so I find it hard to build for a gun i dont have access to.

It also just feels kida pointless to restrict them to the looping runs only. The gameplay difference between floor 1 2 and 3 is pretty big, but after entering boundless its all just the exact same with different backgrounds. And if these cool guns can only be used when literally anything would work because the character is so op now then its kinda pointless. How am i going to see the special effects of the etchings or weapon if all i see is giant numbers and hordes dying in a second

"I was expecting it to let me start runs with a specific gun from the arsenal. Then there is the risk of losing it if you fail a run before reaching the guard and imprint it again. As it says the levels are scaled to your stage so its not like you would start the game 1 shotting everything in your path."

Like, this just seems like a way better use of the system rather than binding it to endless runs only

With the missions from above i found its possible to have some incriptions greyed out/locked. If incriptions make it too op in floor 1, then just lock 3/5 or 2/4 for the first stage and then unluck them as we progress.

[uneven vessel]

I mean, if your inscriptions and current buffs are really good, you dont have to worry about a +6 weapon stats

[pulsar briar]

yeah, but the +6 or +10 in my case makes them about equal. And at that point its just kinda pointless to switch weapons. I wont have anything cool happen, the mobs will just die in a few hits like the other guns i could use

on the run that made me ask this question, i used every single gun in my arsenal, all 9, with lots of unique inscriptions, and could barely see a difference between their ttk or clearing power.

[uneven vessel]

idk what guns you have stored then -w-
Inscriptions are everything, sure, you want levels but for overall more effectiveness, inscriptions are much more important

[pulsar briar]

i might be missing some major inscriptions

but i feel like all of them having 3 unique should be enough

[uneven vessel]

it depends on the inscriptions you have

if you have inscriptions that arent so good or dont work for your build then it is gonna drag ya down

[pulsar briar]

there is no draging down

there is just no discernable difference between all the weapons at that late game

[proud needle]

there is

RoF

and hits

[pulsar briar]

and they all clear rooms in about the same amount of time

and all my scrolls cause huge aoe no matter what

[proud needle]

say that again comparing tiger cannon and star devourer

I wait

[pulsar briar]

i used justice and rainbow arch

thats as close as i got to that gap

[proud needle]

These weapons have no where near any comparable clear time

Justice has way higher rof

and the aoe lingers

[pulsar briar]

ik

[proud needle]

thats no comparison to tiger cannon

[pulsar briar]

so ur saying tiger cannon needs a certain build to be fast

great

so now some weapons are actually worse

[proud needle]

and the snipers shoot slower

and possibly pupil

and Bone Dragon

[pulsar briar]

i used both bows and the flame sniper

they all di fine

[uneven vessel]

there really is

[proud needle]

there is a lot of weapons that perform worse

[uneven vessel]

sorry just got back

[proud needle]

“they do fine” is not “no discernible difference”

[uneven vessel]

but yeah RoF and total hits are much more important than slow hitting weapons

[proud needle]

there is massive statistical differences in the guns once you remove the dmg factor

[uneven vessel]

Tiger Cannon sucks end game/endless

only can be used for synergising with Xing Zhe

[pulsar briar]

idk. That run it felt like no matter the 9 different weapons i tried, they all cleared rooms about the same because of other factors, namely scrolls. I'm looking to take specific advantage of the cool inscriptions, so if i cant tell if they even do anything its kinda a waste

[uneven vessel]

let's just say you are in endless and you take tiger cannon or a slow weapon as your weapon of choice

you are gonna struggle

I am sure ur aware of a damage cap?

[pulsar briar]

yes

[proud needle]

Endless is the last place to see the different effects of inscriptions for each weapon

[pulsar briar]

i agree

you cant see the difference

thats why im confused at the point of locking the arsenal to endgame

[uneven vessel]

I am just giving an example

[pulsar briar]

why store these cool weapons if they do nothing different than many others

[thorny parcel]

Because even if you locked almost all of the inscription on any weapon you store, they will still tear through the first couple acts.

[uneven vessel]

I wouldnt say every weapon does the same thing

[pulsar briar]

i dissagre, i have been trying out ultimate firearm in solo runs to find cool weapons

they never shred anything

[thorny parcel]

There is a MASSIVE difference between starting with "+20% Lucky Shot Chance" and starting with "Both weapons share elements." or "Both weapons share magazine capacity", especially when also starting with stuff that compliment them like Painkiller or First Strike.

[pulsar briar]

despite being enhanced and unique

[pulsar briar]

then lock gemini to world 3

or even world 2

or dont let you take more than 1 gun per run

then you cant gemini til then anyways

[thorny parcel]

Ironically that makes them even worse than weapons you find in act 1.

[uneven vessel]

then you are either
getting bad guns
getting bad inscriptions
or you dont have scrolls to compliment it

[thorny parcel]

Because you can gemini weapons in act 1.

[pulsar briar]

but i get to specifiy the style of play

[pulsar briar]

???

[thorny parcel]

All you need to do is get both weapons to +5, then etch an inscription.

[pulsar briar]

in stage 1 what kind of scroll do you expect me to have?

[thorny parcel]

Bam, guaranteed geminis.

Monke can even do this in stage 2 of act 1.

[pulsar briar]

oh, i thought you needed at least 4 different incriptions first

[uneven vessel]

I am not expecting you to have good scrolls in act 1?
I am talking overall regarding your message

[thorny parcel]

Either works.

But no matter how you do it, either the stored weapons with be OP as hell to start with, or virtually worthless because they're too restricted.

[pulsar briar]

ok well then fully responding,

Ive gotten guns that seem very very good, ive gotten great inscriptions, and i dont have any scrolls

still no shred

[uneven vessel]

If you dont have scrolls at all, then dont expect to shred

good scrolls and good inscriptions go hand in hand

[pulsar briar]

virtually worthless isnt a possibility if it lets you pick specific inscriptions rather than run rng

[uneven vessel]

without the other, dont expect shredding

[pulsar briar]

i dont care if its heavilly nerfed early if it less me play with the cool speciall effects of the weapon

[thorny parcel]

Then they'd be OP as hell.

There is no inbetween unless your stored weapons suck.

[pulsar briar]

i dont see how

if only 2 inscriptions arent locked

then you are on par with other weapons

but with inscriptions you chose

again, in solo, running ultimate firearm as the free starter, you can find guns at that level or better

[thorny parcel]

Imagine for example you store a weapon with say... "Increase total weapon DMG by 15% (Up to 150%) for 6s whenever triggering an elemental effect." and "Projectiles +1, Consumption +100%".

That's up to 500% damage right there, and you can guarantee it every run.

[uneven vessel]

Me personally I never take Heavenly Firearm for lone wolf if that is what you refer to as "free starter"

[pulsar briar]

yes i was, i was trying to find cool setups

[thorny parcel]

Running Ultimate Firearm means you're sacrificing another blessing that might be way better.

[pulsar briar]

yes

which balences it

[thorny parcel]

Like Overconsumption or Copycat.

[uneven vessel]

I usually take Copycat or Painkiller as my Lone Wolf

[thorny parcel]

But getting access to your stored weapons immediately, does not sacrifice anything.

[pulsar briar]

dont those trivialise floor 1 way more than 2 inscriptions

[thorny parcel]

You'd have access to your super optimally powerful weapons guaranteed at no downside.

[pulsar briar]

devs could find dozens of workarounds to that

so many ways to limit it

[thorny parcel]

But they wouldn't.

[pulsar briar]

if they took what i said verbatim they wouldent

[thorny parcel]

Because the devs here don't work like that, and if they do they'd apologize to the people they angered by next update buffing stuff.

[pulsar briar]

otherwise they can think for themselves

[uneven vessel]

There aint no problem taking heavenly firearm as a starter blessing but using it as lone wolf is gonna drag your maximum damage down a bit

My advice is take Heavenly Firearm as your Longling Tomb blessing, and for your lone wolf it should be Copycat or Painkiller or Overconsumption (OC if you are not doing endless or boundless)

[pulsar briar]

why is it so bad to make things in a rougelike overpowered as options, its not like a required scroll or blessing, its the option to make super unique builds right off the bat, including broken overpowered once, but with good RNG you could do exactly that anways

[thorny parcel]

Endless Journey suffered from what I'm talking about. They added an endless mode, but gave it so many restrictions and limitations that a large number of people got pissed off.

Then they hastily brought Boundless Dream, which has virtually no restrictions, as an apology.

Adding stored weapons to the start of the run will be no expection. They either won't restrict it and it'll be OP, or they will restrict it, people complain, they do apology buffs, and it'll be OP.

[uneven vessel]

me personally I love endless, my only problem with it is that the timer is not very fluent

[pulsar briar]

it is possible to release things in a balenced state and not either 1 of those ends

[thorny parcel]

Again, devs don't work like that.

[uneven vessel]

the devs wont listen

[pulsar briar]

seems unnecessarily harsh

[thorny parcel]

It either won't be OP enough and they buff it, or it'll be too OP and nothing happens.

Harsh, but the truth.

[uneven vessel]

the majority of the community complain if things are not OP enough

[thorny parcel]

This has been going on for over 2 years.

There is very little assumptions to make now, as we've had history to rely on.

[pulsar briar]

then why was there no backlash with the arsenal on release? It's incredibly restricted with only 9 spaces and no access until you enter endless

[thorny parcel]

There was backlash on release.

[pulsar briar]

and where is the op overcompensation?

[thorny parcel]

Just not enough backlash.

[pulsar briar]

so

[uneven vessel]

no access until you enter endless?-
you can access them at duo fjord, silly

[pulsar briar]

they did release something that didnt get backtracked

[pulsar briar]

thats bassically endless already, you can go to inn or keep pressing on

[thorny parcel]

But it was also released virtually worthless.

[uneven vessel]

I am gonna assume you said overconsumption
that blessing has been buffed, but the gimmick of the blessing is that it is more of a "help you get going" blessing

[uneven vessel]

that is basically not endless already

[thorny parcel]

Which once more conforms to either being useless or being OP, no balance.

[uneven vessel]

you dont get access to endless until after jokul

[pulsar briar]

so you think its worthless rn

[thorny parcel]

The only reason Arsenal is even useful at all is because the entirely separate Endless was added.

[uneven vessel]

overconsumption? not for early game no
but its whole purpose is to be a starter blessing

[thorny parcel]

And once you introduce endless anything, balance really doesn't matter anymore.

[pulsar briar]

So many other games give ways to carry over weapons or skills between runs, this seems like the perfect way to do just that and they didnt

[uneven vessel]

oh god no lmao

not every game has to be like that

[thorny parcel]

Not every game no.

But this one does.

[pulsar briar]

there is a reason its so common

[thorny parcel]

Because devs can't do anything but buffs.

[pulsar briar]

oh nvm you were referring to endless

[uneven vessel]

they are scared to nerf things

[pulsar briar]

so again, what even would be the issue with chosing starter guns being too op?

especially if its limited to solo

[thorny parcel]

It would turn one of the few optional things that might actually make the game harder (because of how useless the upside is in normal runs) into another thing that makes the game too easy unless you do self-sabotage.

[uneven vessel]

having starter guns be way too OP just kills what is left of optional challenge

[pulsar briar]

self sabotage is needed in any rougelike at the highest end

[thorny parcel]

The only other optional thing that might make the game harder is Mysterious Jokul, which would result in there being exactly 1/9 optional things which make the game harder.

[pulsar briar]

that doesnt make sense seeing as an option would be to not chose a gun

[thorny parcel]

No it isn't, especially not to the degree this game requires.

[pulsar briar]

it doesnt make the game hardern rn either, this wouldent change that balence

[thorny parcel]

I've got roguelike games where I still haven't gotten all the achievements because moving at double speed without getting hit, without picking up gold, without fumbling your action and permanently locked to the worst weapon in the game is too hard for me.

I don't need any self-sabotage for that one.

[pulsar briar]

notice how half those restrictions are self impossed

for the achievement

[thorny parcel]

None of those restrictions are self-imposed.

That's how the character works.

[pulsar briar]

an optional character with self imposed restrictions, you dont need to pick that character

[thorny parcel]

That's how it's meant to be played, not a personal difficulty increase because the game is too easy.

[pulsar briar]

at some point its self imposed

what game

[thorny parcel]

Crypt of the Necrodancer. Character is Coda.

In any case, it's only a self-imposed restriction or challenge if what you are doing was never the intended design of the game.

It's YOU who is adding the challenge, not the game.

[pulsar briar]

huh, dance dance dungeons

looks cool

how does its intended progression lead you to no money no damage default weapon

[thorny parcel]

Coda cannot pick up gold. They die if you do.
Coda is weapon-locked to the Dagger. You die if you hold another weapon.

[pulsar briar]

and coda is the true character? or the character it forced you onto when playing the games equivalent to reincarnation 9?

[thorny parcel]

The latter is closer.

As for Gunfire Reborn, the only intended challenge at the moment is either higher difficulty levels, or the Mysterious Jokul and Transcendent Arsenal bizarre dreams.

There is nothing else that is intended to make the game harder by design.

[pulsar briar]

interesting. I mean, we could still mimic this manually in gunfire, only foundry, no shoping or upgrading, damage = reset

[thorny parcel]

Anything else that succeeds in making the game harder is either self-imposed, or a player's error because they don't know what they're doing.

[pulsar briar]

you keep listing the arsenal like it has a downside

did i miss something?

[thorny parcel]

It adds a challenge event to all vaults, and the Arsenal Guard replaces the scroll chest in the last act 3/4 vault.

So extra effects for enemies and -2 scrolls.

[pulsar briar]

oh, cool

i agree with you there arent enough dev implemented ways to challenge the player in gunfire

but that doesnt mean untill they add those challenges they cant have other things to enhance enjoyment

starting with a specific build is op yes, but its my favorite part of many rougelikes

[uneven vessel]

Yeah it is because the majority of the community just keep wanting buffs and buffs, they listen to the majority

[thorny parcel]

It also doesn't mean that, back to the original argument for adding the arsenal to the start of each run, they should remove intended challenges to make room for even more things that make the game easier.

[uneven vessel]

I think the most challenging thing in the game rn is seeing how far you can push in endless

which is little for quite a few characters and builds

[pulsar briar]

im only at boundless rn, so the hardest for me is just starting each new level of reincarnation, without using lonewolf cuz i deemed it too op the rng can sometimes feel unwinnable

[uneven vessel]

what you can do to make it harder for you is to enable lone wolf and not select a lone wolf blessing :)

and slide the counter to 4 players

[thorny parcel]

Until you get Extravagant Consumption, Dual-edge, Veteran or Easy Kill, at least.

[pulsar briar]

even if arsenal worked how i wanted it, i probably wouldent use it for perfect guns to start each run, i would find extra special incriptions like the double elemental talisman or all bounces target 1 mob on strike wing and have fun

[thorny parcel]

Then suddenly the increased enemy count won't sting so bad anymore.

[uneven vessel]

[pulsar briar]

so seems like the answer to my question is the devs arent very self directed and it isnt a bad idea but just another op addition on a scale with no counterbalence

[thorny parcel]

Pretty much.

"It makes the game easier" is a genuine reason to dislike something here. It's that bad.

[pulsar briar]

im used to that being the visceral\ reaction of people but then convincing them its fine cuz its a rougelike, but here it just seems like adding fuel to the already large fire

[proven sage]

it just reminds me of Slights ( a player) list of self restrictions as more stuff came out, god was it massive

[mossy sequoia]

Yep, I honestly think if I did return to playing with challenge runs, I'd be self restricting at least 60% of existing content

[uneven vessel]

a pretty rare odd

[wraith hatch]

Do u guys take that scroll in endless?

My thought is that anything that gives u less ascensions is terrible. Since scrolls will max out eventually anyway

[proven sage]

correct

[uneven vessel]

boundless you are fine
endless, avoid at all costs

[wraith hatch]

Question on tao primary. The swords are only doing 5k per player in multiplayer. How are u scaling that to the dmg cap. Is that 5k being boosted by skill dmg?

[uneven vessel]

I am not using Ice Blade or Giant Slayer

[wraith hatch]

Dont take ice blade.

K. I basically havnt been because i thought it sucked. But then my sword build wasnt doing anything and i thought that was the issue

What blessings are u going for then

[proven sage]

the 5k is the dmg from iceblade against bosses

[wraith hatch]

Is it scaled by skill dmg?

[proven sage]

ice blade scales with nothing

the swords themselfs are skill dmg, ofc

[wraith hatch]

^.

If ice blade scales with nothing i dont want it ^

[proven sage]

it does do % dmg on normal enemies

last endless i did i endded with Blossom enthusiast/Sword mastery/Ice Blade

[wraith hatch]

Kk. I aim for those first two a lot. I must be screwing something else up.

[proven sage]

well, Cooldown reduction is everything

spamming Sword out of cooldown

[wraith hatch]

I think i didnt take the sword one that makes swords do additional % dmg for every sword for 1.5s

That might be it

[proven sage]

yeah, its the main peice of the dmg

[wraith hatch]

Kk. Ill run it back with more focus on swords. I was trying really hard to maximize blossom dmg and didnt have room for that ascension.

Swords were only doing about 100k

[wraith hatch]

I didnt skip that one. I listened to teaa's cult teachings properly.

Amplified swords

Because i wasnt sure if it was multiplicative and swords were not my focus. I was just spamming them for sword enthusiast dmg and shield

[hollow cave]

What is the new max level? last time i played it was around 150

[wraith hatch]

188 i think.

Or maybe it was 183... 180 somthing.

[hollow cave]

alright, thanks

[wraith hatch]

What happens with atomic dog if u have the thorny carapace ascension tree.

Does spines quiver have a chance to proc on every grenade thrown? Recovering all stacks constantly.

Thorn mastery instantly rethrowing all of them. Feedback loop of infinite grennades

[hollow cave]

Since im a guy that played the game last time 1 year ago, is Tiger Oneshot Crit build still a thing?

[thorny parcel]

Yes, but it's hilariously unnecessary now.

[hollow cave]

damn

[thorny parcel]

Most good builds are oneshot builds.

Those that aren't are braindead "look at enemies and they die" builds.

[hollow cave]

[thorny parcel]

Or "render enemies completely unable to do anything" builds.

If you want an easy example, pick the Cat, then take the Painkiller blessing.

Start throwing smoke grenades at enemies.

[hollow cave]

i will try that, thanks!

For the next time, i will have to try out all the new updated rolls, guns heros etc. i guess

[royal anchor]

real ones are, enemies die before you see them

[alpine quartz]

What are the best Spirit Blessing for Bunny q build?

im running double blossom + pain killer cause pain killer

[pulsar briar]

does Untold effect work on flare calling for Li?

[proven sage]

yes

[alpine quartz]

Lucky Roulette useful or actually negative in endless run ?

feels like its hurting me more

[uneven vessel]

negative

as money starts overscaling with recycling

[pliant heart]

Does Lucky Roulette still have the bug where it'll sometimes max out Extravagent Consumption?

[wraith hatch]

What does this mean? Doesnt it just massively increase your money and roll before extravagant consumption if you have it to give even more skill dmg?

[alpine quartz]

Does Tao benifit from Counter Violence at all? or just go Pure Skill dmg?

[uneven vessel]

Your coins earnt when recycling will increase the higher the round you go, which benefits Extravagant Consumption a lot more since Lucky Roulette caps your money at 9876 instead of 65535

[uneven vessel]

Tao benefits from both weapon and skill damage and DPS, Counterviolence is a really good option to have :)

[alpine quartz]

Does CV make any of her ability crit?

or its just purly for weap?

[uneven vessel]

Just her weapon, since her Hero attacks are skill based

But her swords out skill is insanely powerful and has the biggest Max DPS potential

[alpine quartz]

ahh okok so its just monkey that makes he's ability crit right

[alpine quartz]

y eah its stupid strong lool

[uneven vessel]

And Qian Sui's shield retract yeeee

[uneven vessel]

Yeeee
Her swords out is capable of doing 90 million a hit

If you overscaled enough

Tao is the master of completely destroying power scaling

[alpine quartz]

Yeah first time going over the shield regen on the final boss

[uneven vessel]

Tao in my eyes is the most OP character in the game

[alpine quartz]

but its the sword from the sky on her pedal that does it for me

SHit looks so nice

[uneven vessel]

As she can achieve the highest DPS, highest scaling and has a built in god mode

[uneven vessel]

I remember doing that a lot when I started the game :D

[alpine quartz]

Sorry one last bunny question
im doing endeless run with her rn and in scaled endgame

Should i switch ouit any remnant ?

Pain killer for Ice blade?

[uneven vessel]

As in, Boundless or Endless?

[alpine quartz]

Boundless

just seeing how absurd i can get with bunny

Spamming both Q and E with Demonlore

[uneven vessel]

if you want the ultimate stupidness of the bnuuy then get
Sword Mastery
Counterviolence
Blossom Enthusiast
and your weapon be Scalpel, angelic aura or radioactive gauntlet!

your primary skill with enough cooldown becomes a complete death machine

@alpine quartz what ascensions you got? :)

[alpine quartz]

Basically everything now xD

at stage 70

[uneven vessel]

Oh I see XD

give what I mentioned a go!

you wont regret it XD

you might need to use a macro or be really good at spamming your primary

[deep cipher]

Playing the game on a controller feels weird

[leaden minnow]

I dont think it matters who’s eyes it is

[winged vine]

Lol amen brother. People can have opinions and preferences but data is king.

[thorny parcel]

Well let's look at the data:
• Tao is the hero who specializes in high RoF.
• Tao's ascensions offer the highest RoF bonuses.
• 2 of Tao's ascensions offer nearly uncapped power for having high RoF.
• Tao's primary skill can be used as often as it is available, for no downtime between high RoF.
• Tao has an ascension that makes her unkillable with rapid primary skill uses.
• Damage cap in boundless/endless means that having high RoF is your main method of dealing more damage.

[rugged trout]

friend keeps finding weapons higher than +10 in our runs

can someone explain to me how the hell this is possible

because we're super confused

[thorny parcel]

Something about weapons dropped by challenge events matching the level of your weapon?

I dunno, I never played a run where this happened, or mattered.

[rugged trout]

ah that would make sense

@unborn tinsel

yea i guess I just haven't ever powerlevelled shit past +10 enough to notice?

[unborn tinsel]

the numbers check out for matching the level of my weapon

clip in question

looks like that's exactly what happened

ty

[thorny parcel]

I haven't played a run since it started happening, more or less.

[uneven vessel]

Not to mention she has an even higher natural damage cap

[proven sage]

doing some math @uneven vessel how many Sword Enthu stacks do you usually have?

its 2k something, right?

[uneven vessel]

hmu with this math

and yeah 2k just about

[proven sage]

whats the Dps if the swords do 30m/60m/90m at 40%/40%/20% odds respectively, at 200 swords?

https://tenor.com/view/calculation-math-hangover-allen-zach-galifianakis-gif-6219070

[uneven vessel]

lemme think

pulls up calulator

with 200 swords you can hit between 6 billion-18 billion

and iirc you can end up churning 200+ swords in about a second anyway @proven sage

so Tao is capable of causing billions without thinking about it eventually

[proven sage]

avg 10,8bil ye

swords only

[uneven vessel]

• 1 weapon hit to trigger furious wave

The DPS on Tao is rather silly

[uneven vessel]

The Excorcism:

[thorny parcel]

Careful. Trying to exorcise the demon possessing it will make it fight back by growing little legs and crawling around on the ceiling.

...No wait, that's just a goblet mimic. Nevermind.

[uneven vessel]

I was gonna respond with a tenor gif but it is an endless sea of cringe gifs

[echo crow]

https://64.media.tumblr.com/5cb405437b0d5213fb8ee28c4e762f45/tumblr_p5lnepAggs1tw2hyao1_540.gif

[hollow cave]

What should u skill tao on?

[wraith hatch]

What does this mean? And what difficulty?

[hollow cave]

R9

havent play in a whileeeeee like 2 years, and im just confused

so much new content

[wraith hatch]

I like blossom enthusiast.
But i think the meta right now is swords and the seasonal lightning dash based ascension.

At least for endless

[hollow cave]

alright thanks

[leaden minnow]

sword mastery and first strike is an amazing build for r9

[hollow cave]

[wraith hatch]

First strike doesnt give base weapon dmg right?

Its going to be additive with stuff like dual edge correct?

[leaden minnow]

i believe?

but having a gemini with a expanded big hippo that has 100% mag cap and 60% mag cap insciriptions is amazing

yes it is addative

possibly multiplicative?

finally, 1 trillion damage

[hollow cave]

does this game have crossplay?

[thorny parcel]

No.

[hollow cave]

[thorny parcel]

Besides Xbox Gamepass/PC Gamepass, or PS4/PS5.

[plain portal]

What now most broken OP character ?

[thorny parcel]

Non-Reincarnation: Fox, Owl, Red Panda
Reincarnation: Everyone except Birb
Endless: Bunny

[leaden minnow]

baisically just choose li until you are good enough to use tao

[plain portal]

thx for answer

[unborn tinsel]

is there a reason golem can just shoot through the pillars 9 times out of 10

[gusty mountain]

I've rarely had that happen, it's better to just strafe and jump before he shoots.

[thorny parcel]

If you're trying to be sneaky and shooting him from the very edge of the pillar, he can still sometimes hit you even if the flashing red indicator isn't active.

Alternatively, the laser actually is hitting the pillar. You're just getting hit by the pillar when it explodes.

[leaden minnow]

i got to 69 boss killssss

and im close to 2.5t

[hollow cave]

are u okay?

[leaden minnow]

i was able to get to -1300 resistance before i found enhanced dual edge

[hollow cave]

lol

[leaden minnow]

i was invincible by then already but once i found the enhanced version i havent taken damage since

[leaden minnow]

there we go

[uneven vessel]

GG

You should try thunder step with her:)

You can completely break the scaling of it

[leaden minnow]

i have every scroll 😭

[uneven vessel]

Oh gah!

My boundless with her rn I am damage capping her dashes 🤣 @leaden minnow

Have been for 100s of stages

[leaden minnow]

her dash is useless for me atp because it makes me slower than just running lol

[uneven vessel]

And then the over charge is doing 10000M+

[uneven vessel]

Yeeee true you get much faster

I just like zapping everything lol

[leaden minnow]

im trying to see what happens at 100% resistance

this is where im at rn

[uneven vessel]

Oh!
Yeeee the damage resistance caps at 95%
If it was 100% then you would only be doing 1s XD

When I was the first person to 1000 the gameplay was very different

Enemy health capped at 32 bit limit and

DR cap was 90%

[uneven vessel]

Just looking at that just makes me realise that endless DR cap is at like round 80 ish

The DR takes ages on boundless dangggg

[leaden minnow]

that's so borringggg

i had a true damage setup that way it would bypass dmg resistance at 100

[uneven vessel]

I wish it was 99% or something haha

[leaden minnow]

wait you got to stage 1000?

[uneven vessel]

yep yep!
check #hall-of-fame !

sadly my old account was hacked

[leaden minnow]

dang

but now i feel like i got a challange lmao

i was just playing the game to grind souls and try to get the best weapon possible, but now i feel like i actually have a goal to attain

thank you

[uneven vessel]

heh! this was done on endless and not boundless
but still, super duper impressive if you do it on boundless!

because at the end of the day, it is all one big game of mental patience

[leaden minnow]

yeah i will try an endless run soon, i wanna see how it is

[uneven vessel]

I did a cheese strat for the 1000 since back then it wasnt understood much ig...?

[royal anchor]

I will never do stage, just cuz its super cancer and takes waaay to long

[uneven vessel]

I plan to go back and get 1000 again

[leaden minnow]

maybe instead of 1000 i will reach for something greater

[uneven vessel]

endless is incredibly brutal

it all goes down to RnG

[uneven vessel]

go for it! :D

[leaden minnow]

for my boundless run im gonna go for 10k, a 3 day long play time save wouldnt take too long

i will slowly chip at it over a a few weeks

[leaden minnow]

then do the dreaded endless run

because boundless dream is just way too easy

im getting to the point where no matter what i do the scrolls i get are just debuffing me

like if i enhance deadly curse, i technically get debuffed

since it takes away my health and makes it so i cant use things that scale with full health

[uneven vessel]

I currently have a run in the 70s :)

[leaden minnow]

that's a long way to go

[uneven vessel]

and it is way tougher than endless haha

you have a 10 minute timer

which goes up slightly every round

so you gotta hope you get longling tomb

also the enemies scale monstrously

at the 40s it really kicks in

but then if you can push through it you can then begin to keep up with the scaling

[plain portal]

what u have build?

[leaden minnow]

huh?

[plain portal]

what skills you have selected

[leaden minnow]

blessings?

first strike, sword mastery, ice blade

[plain portal]

under sword which path is the most important? Blade Rain?

[leaden minnow]

blade rain and mainstay weapon

raging bloom you dont really need

[plain portal]

If you play another infinite mode, you won't be able to have everything. Im thinking which ones are most important

[leaden minnow]

Sword guard

Warlike blade

Ammo extractor

Luminous heart

Sword shadow

[plain portal]

thx

[uneven vessel]

Don't forget sword enthusiast! :D

[leaden minnow]

Yup

[radiant moth]

Anyone know where I can find a good spread sheet or something with what the best builds are for each character

[leaden minnow]

it looks like it doesnt

[uneven vessel]

I guess it has changed again?-

I havent properly played in ages

[leaden minnow]

huh

[uneven vessel]

It was 95%

now I guess it has changed again

and before that it was 90%

I have no clue if it will go to 100% or anywhere between the 99s

[leaden minnow]

i really wanna see if i can make it go past 100

420

blaze it

also 96.9

[proven sage]

hope its not just visual

was visually bugged when it came out and went past 100%

[leaden minnow]

what does dmg resistance apply to though

regular dmg, elemental, skill, true?

since i accidentally reset my dual edge stacks i am almost not doing cap dmg

[proven sage]

should be all but true

[leaden minnow]

it is very much true

i can susually insta kill gluttony's shield when he goes invincable

but this time i could barely get him down a quarter

[leaden minnow]

it looks like it caps at 99

which you reach at stage 420

[proven sage]

coincidence?

👁️

[wheat turtle]

Hello adventurers of Jokul!
I want to ask you what do you honestly think about Zi Xiao? Which Ascension(s) /and/or/ Spiritual Blessing(s) do you take ?

Are you a Card Throwers, or a Celestial Nuker ?

[uneven vessel]

Card boi

[proven sage]

Bet it All cloudweaver 👁️

[uneven vessel]

[pulsar briar]

of the elemental enthusiast scrolls, why is fire enthusiast so garbage? Decay gives you dmr for a small loss of speed, lightning gives you 75% increased damage for receiving 10% increased damage, fire gives you weak health regen for the burning effect, which often outpaces the healing effect

i just took it as my first scroll in spiritual assault, where you never have downtime to stay on fire but not get the regen, and got downed to fire damage after taking only 2 hits from mobs

[uneven vessel]

It used to be so broken but it got reworked

I assume you played during then

[pulsar briar]

i didnt play when it was good, im like 2 weeks in, started with the current season

[stone kettle]

bonjour!

[proven sage]

yeah, not a fan of it anymore

[stone kettle]

I am a filthy monke main who just came to vibe :3

[uneven vessel]

Can I enlighten you with the PF build? :3

[stone kettle]

is stuff in chat usually this quiet?

[proven sage]

as of recent, yeah

[stone kettle]

wonder why 😦

[proud needle]

Comes and goes

its a good few months after the last big update so only the regular playing people are around

end of April/May ( there is a 3 week window) the next season update drops and then hell will be let lose again

[leaden minnow]

I have no friends so i usually just post random updates of my own play throughs

[stone kettle]

tbh this game is a blast

im a certified MONKE main

[winged vine]

Monkey is a hell of a time. Top 2 or 3 for me

I still need to properly try a dash build with turtle. I have a feeling it'll be weak but super fun.

[stone kettle]

Watching monke E do the shotgun variant gives me dopamine

[winged vine]

Hahahaha mix it with a rocket launcher offhand and grab take it all. Prepare to change your pants after that

[languid gulch]

what is a good gun build for ao?

[pulsar briar]

is something else doing this or does explosive bullet always trigger on a crit and ignore the 2 second CD?

[wet path]

Is this 2 weapons good in combinations ?

[wet path]

Wait

they don't keep the level in the transcendant arsenal ?

On this Sword i had Level 100+

[thorny parcel]

They do not.

[uneven vessel]

the arsenal will scale your weapons on how far you are in a run :)

[wet path]

What if i imprinted them ?

What would it happen?

The 2 weapons Poisonous ghost and glimmering i imprinted.

[proven sage]

thats means that if you die while weilding them they will go back to the bank/arsenal

[wet path]

Will it go back if my game crashes randomly ? :)))

it happen once for me.

i had very good run.

[proven sage]

dunno

[wet path]

And thank you.

for the answer.

[uneven vessel]

if your game unexpectedly crashes, it will take you back to your previous campfire rest :)

[thorny parcel]

You have been consumed by the fog.

No amount of overpowered blessings or damage cap hits will save you now.

[lime garnet]

the fog is coming

https://tenor.com/view/the-fog-is-coming-gif-3617993067027024367

[uneven vessel]

THE FOG IS COMING

[winged vine]

How do you imprint them?

[covert dirge]

monkey aoe gemini build

[viral tulip]

When was season 1?

[lime garnet]

Started january 12 and is still going

[plucky grotto]

Yooo, if I started a game multiplayer (as a host) can I save it to return to it later once the other players have left? I feel like I remember going to the Inn saves, but I've never had to before-- this is my first Endless Nightmare run lmao

[quick nacelle]

Sad, lost opportunity

[arctic breach]

Quick question, do I level on the season by completing the missions or is there another way of leveling?

[thorny parcel]

Progress is exclusively quest completion.

[proud needle]

not in MP

[viral tulip]

why is pair of us not showing up in the spiritual remnant I've refreshed this guy like 30 times

Is there something that stops it happening

nvm finally got it

[robust barn]

anyone knows a site with build setups :)?

[south pilot]

Are the jump puzzle vaults still in the game?

I haven’t seen one yet

[thorny parcel]

Yes.

[viral tulip]

what does this even mean?

[uneven vessel]

So when you are shooting, your gun has a chance to half your damage but hit twice in a row, which is super good in the long run!
if your gun has just 1 projectile to it, it will be 100% chance but the more projectiles you have, the lesser that chance becomes, the lowest will be 3.5%

[viral tulip]

Oh Ic, thanks

[uneven vessel]

https://tenor.com/view/yippee-gif-25549575

[proven sage]

i just remembered, is this bug on console? https://www.reddit.com/r/GunfireReborn/s/iq8U19VXao

my post

[wheat turtle]

hello everyone ! I never ever played Nona (Red Panda) and I would love you to tell me which Ascension/SpiritualBlessing you suggest me pretty please ?

Absolutely all comments are welcomed!

[lime garnet]

Pair of us

Same boat

[viral tulip]

Pair of us op

Is this game cross platform?

Like can pc players play with console players

Furthermore can pc players play with mobile players

[proven sage]

no to all

[proud needle]

"cross platform" is a thin definitio

PS 4 and 5 can
When it was around Gamepass could between PC and Xbox
PC Steam with no one
Mobile with no one

[south pilot]

is there anyway to show the astro house bar on mobile? kinda frustrating that i just can’t see my astrohouse chances

[royal plinth]

IDK WHEN TO STOP

[royal plinth]

Gotta hit a trillion damage

LOL

honestly that's pretty doable it just takes the time to do so

the real challenge would be hitting a quadrillion

https://tenor.com/view/взгляд-2000-ярдов-война-war-soldier-gif-3632617944134077161

[uneven vessel]

Rn my current run stands at like 5,000,000M total damage

[winged vine]

How do you do the thing with trans arsenal so you don't lose the weapons if you die?

[proven sage]

mark then with the blue thing

[winged vine]

How do you mean? I can't see anything in the arsenal nor the back back nor the craftsmans

Found it thank you

[cloud rain]

Decided to come back to this server. What'd I miss?

[thorny parcel]

More powercreep, new roadmap, not much else.

[winged vine]

The foundation to a really exciting seasonal rotation, pending new DLC and season shop. A new difficult (R9) was released with new mechanics. Gonna be a great year for the game. Welcome back.

[cloud rain]

Still have yet to beat Elite...

[proven sage]

then nothing is new

[thorny parcel]

Well you still get cosmetics to play with.

And maybe a couple new weapons.

And almost none of the powercreep! Which it sounds like you actually need, so sucks to be you.

[uneven vessel]

imagine if next update gives enemies a much bigger powercreep!!!! (This will in fact never happen and I have gone insane)

[thorny parcel]

Plot twist: The next update actually does give enemies a massive buff... but it's exclusive to Normal, Elite and Nightmare difficulty.

[weak solar]

Well Howdy.

Before I buy this game.

Ineed a question answered:

Can I cross play with a friend of mine on either Xbox or Steam if I'm on Playstation?

[thorny parcel]

No.

[weak solar]

Well shit.

God dammit.

[uneven vessel]

https://tenor.com/view/walter-white-nonono-no-no-no-not-now-gif-19185122

Plot twist twist: the massive buff to enemies also gives a massive buff to the player aka nuke the room by dashing

[thorny parcel]

Plot Twist Twist Twist: That player buff is exclusive to Reincarnation difficulty.

[uneven vessel]

Plot Twist Twist Twist Twist: a new character is added that instantly gives the win screen when you enter stage 1 longling

[thorny parcel]

Plot Twist Twist Twist Twist Twist: They're a reward for Season 2, which is exclusive on Reincarnation difficulty this time around.

[uneven vessel]

Plot twist: Cheeseburger

[proud needle]

https://tenor.com/view/plot-twist-gif-14449701

[viral tulip]

do the modifiers for reincarnation increase difficulty

I'm talking about the ones other than those that specify they do

[thorny parcel]

Which ones? The reincarnation levels or bizarre dreams?

[uneven vessel]

Only one and kinda two is designed to increase difficulty

Well, designed to...

[viral tulip]

Which are they?

What's the best nona ascension build in your opinion?

[uneven vessel]

Mysterious Jokul makes Hyperborean Jokul more difficult by forcing more elites, I'm pretty sure it's also the cause for "elite gathering" but can't remember

Lone Wolf is the kinda in this situation

[thorny parcel]

Mysterious Jokul enhances all elites and guarantees Elite Gatherings in acts 2, 3 and 4.

[uneven vessel]

You get a bonus blessing but increase enemies

[uneven vessel]

Ah fairs

I have them all on usually

[viral tulip]

The acts are the worlds?

[uneven vessel]

Yes

[viral tulip]

Breh

[uneven vessel]

I can't wait for the anxi update lol

[viral tulip]

Do you not have an opinion

[uneven vessel]

It'll have a new stage to it

[thorny parcel]

Only 2 Bizarre Dreams I'd say truly increase the difficulty of the game.

Mysterious Jokul, because despite the extra peddler refreshes and guaranteed goblets/legendary scrolls, being forced to fight several enhanced elites is still gonna hurt.

The other is Transcendent Arsenal, which only increases the difficulty because the upsides are virtually worthless on non-endless runs.

[uneven vessel]

I don't play nona like, at all so no

[viral tulip]

What do you play?

[uneven vessel]

Tao, Crown Prince, Zi Xiao

And Li sometimes

[thorny parcel]

Lone Wolf, Interdependent Fortunes, Ascension Fusion and Mission from Above technically can make the game harder, but you gotta be clueless, self-sabotaging or an idiot for that to happen.

[uneven vessel]

Pretty much

[viral tulip]

how do they technically increase difficulty 💀

[uneven vessel]

Imagine if fancy position had a downside lmao

[thorny parcel]

Lone Wolf increases enemy count. Only makes the game harder if the free blessing you picked sucks, and you don't care about extra copper or kill stacks.

Interdependent Fortunes gives enemys some scroll-based effects. Only makes the game harder if you pick the ones that actually help enemies, instead of sabotaging them.

Ascension Fusion can cause your hero's ascensions to be replaced by other ascensions you chose. Only makes the game harder if the ascensions you chose suck for your build.

And Mission from Above gives penalties when you fail the missions. Only makes the game harder if you somehow fail the piss easy missions, or pick missions that don't benefit you.

[uneven vessel]

Me personally I only take like, 1-2

Ascensions

Total Eradication or Pyrodominance

[thorny parcel]

The last 2 bizarre dreams I haven't mentioned yet, Spiritual Link and Boundless Dream? Pure upsides. No difficulty increase at all.

[uneven vessel]

Boundless is watered down endless

However endless isn't perfect in itself

My only problem with endless is the timer basically limiting what you can play

Other than that Endless is fun

The timer should be there but actually make it a fluent timer

[thorny parcel]

I've heard you get the recycling stat bonuses for recycling scrolls before actually starting the endless part of the run.

Is that true?

[uneven vessel]

Yeah

[thorny parcel]

That's why it's a pure upside.

[uneven vessel]

When you get it to 90% it caps the primary cooldown

[thorny parcel]

You benefit from it even if you ignore the endless part.

[uneven vessel]

If the timer for each act was different then endless can actually open up more fun to it

If you want a good high round you need to make a Tao sweat build or Xing Zhe

Zi Xiao comes close, you can push 100 with him

[viral tulip]

is there a max to what number of things you can pick from one ascension tree

[proven sage]

no

[viral tulip]

you right 💀

does mastery only apply to iron wing's strike mode?

[proven sage]

Attack power is for strike mode

[viral tulip]

wait

so you're saying

fire mode gets 0 attack power from mastery?

Only attack speed?

[proven sage]

correct

Fire Mode uses the DMG of your secondary skill

All? modifiers to your secondary works for Fire Modes normal fire

[viral tulip]

damn

[viral tulip]

atroaspect???

[deep cipher]

Astroaspect

It's the name of the special skill Zi Xiao have, which its power is connected to the scrolls you currently own.

[lime garnet]

astro aspects are the boxes as the bottom

astrohouse is the bar

[south pilot]

I unlocked reincarnation mode but I don’t have an option for an endless run. Do I have to unlock it? I’m on mobile if that makes a difference

[cloud rain]

Wonder if they'll add character skins to the game?

[viral tulip]

what does the bonus do when you recycle goblets?

[uneven vessel]

each stack is 1% Weapon DMG, 10% Skill DMG, -1% Primary skill cooldown

scrolls give 1, gobletd give 2

[viral tulip]

2 stacks

?

[uneven vessel]

yes

2 stacks

[last vine]

whats the best shotgun to use with bird?

or other weapon

whatevers best for double tap

[proud needle]

Double tap its Hell/Argus/Wild Hunt

Hail of Bullets works good with Wild Hunt and Hell
Wild Hunt because you got empty mag and fast reload anyway and Hell has single reload

[last vine]

which gemini should i get?

and for my lone wolf should i get field profiency or counterviolence or something else?

[proud needle]

If you dont do endless ... simply overconsumption

And gemini : Mag Size 1 for the shotguns

[last vine]

i am trying to do endless

[proud needle]

Then just copycat

Field proficiency stacks out way too fast

[last vine]

alr

can you get duplicates of scrolls in endless?

[proud needle]

Dropping because of the system but you can only have one of a type

[last vine]

can you get blessing in disguise, use up your select both uses, get rid of it through a red chest, and repeat to get every assencion in endless (not boundless)

[viral tulip]

what's the max weapon level in this game?

[uneven vessel]

Unknown as of this time

Unless some guy managed to get to it

[proven sage]

5000 i thought

i remember some capping there

[uneven vessel]

probs

[winged vine]

Only a other few weeks until next updates. So hyped.

[uneven vessel]

gosh, time flies...

[frozen mulch]

[wraith hatch]

Is that the end of the season? Also, if it is the end of the season, when is the exact date?

[wraith hatch]

I see a post that said 5-8 weeks about 4 weeks ago. Maybe thats it?

[wraith hatch]

3rd question. I see the season ranks go to 50. is there any reward for going past 40 for the illusion skin?

[proud needle]

nope

just soul essence

[pulsar briar]

does this work well? Or is this not the right way to use spore gemini?

[thorny parcel]

That setup for spores is... average.

[winged vine]

Best spores build is a rainbow or green gauntlet as main weapon and shotgun as offhand. Best shotgun is hell with orange inscription that gives 30% more pallets and enhancement called multiple. For good measure if you then play as monkey with with his blessing assaulter then you can exceed 30 pallets per shot resulting in doubly effective spores for massacre mode enabled. It's truly wild.

[last vine]

does overcharged thunder affect the thunderbolt summoned by lei luo or only the shot? and does it affect lightning governor or bolt from the blue?

[magic iris]

I gave up after +2000 ^^'

Max gold is 65535 btw

[languid aspen]

should use higher rof gun like rainbow. and yes, find hell or argus with the 30% pallets

this is the combo i used for boundless stage 1 - stage 50

found a better gauntlet lol stupidly better. has perk that deals 40% more damage to elites and boss.

[winged vine]

That's a perfectly fine spores build. How does it feel to use?

[blazing hearth]

What do you think of this spores build?

[viral tulip]

What's the difference between boundless dream and eternal journey

[thorny parcel]

#gunfire-faq message

[languid aspen]

Oh its fun in boundless!

I have +500 argus now

The spines are insanely strong too. I can just not move at all and still dont die. 😭

[languid aspen]

boundless = you just don’t end the game, literally. it only ends your character die.
endless is albeit similar but it has timer. 10 minutes i think per stage?

[viral tulip]

Thunder storm change is crazy

[languid aspen]

Pretty decent i must say

I should build a crazy lei luo thunder x strike wing build sometime…

[languid aspen]

Wym? The weapon?

[viral tulip]

Yeah

[languid aspen]

Oh yeah. That rework is amazing.

I should check out my loots on the boundless. I reckon i got a few goodies on there

[proven sage]

miasma be miasma

[languid aspen]

painkiller prince is just chef kiss

pain killer LW (4-player)
elemental maestro
smogbound zone
elemental orb

🤝

just watch them kill each other 😌

[uneven vessel]

timer and the fact enemies scaler much much faster

[languid aspen]

oh right

thank you

i havent done endless pretty much, only tried it so i didnt know that too haha!

current spore build and my current damage (accumulated)

There are still room for improvements on my current build lol

[viral tulip]

what exactly do lucky shots do?

[thorny parcel]

Chance to increase your damage.

#gunfire-faq message

[languid aspen]

dang, man why did this weapon suddenly appear.. imma use it for next time. 😒

[viral tulip]

they gotta nerf the arcane ascensions I literally don't have to fire my gun 💀

wait when did they change elemental maestro

[proven sage]

with the season

[uneven vessel]

they wont do that lol

[languid aspen]

it’s not that op, tbh

[viral tulip]

is it better or worse now

[viral tulip]

💀

[languid aspen]

although my build for prince really maxes the damage out

[viral tulip]

We're talking about the thing you pick before your run right?

[languid aspen]

Yep

[viral tulip]

That lets you clear reincarnation 9 without even shooting your gun?

How is that not op 💀

[languid aspen]

It’s great, but remember when you’re in R9, enemies scale like hell

Especially in boundless. Those cavalry are stupid af

[languid aspen]

I mean..

It’s a good addition for sure! Imo it’s great. Not many players still know its true potential

[proven sage]

stronger

they wouldn't nerf something, you crazy?

[viral tulip]

Calvary?

wait do things not ever get nerfed in this game

[proven sage]

has happend a couple of times

compared to the other direction

https://i.imgur.com/0wK49DQ.png

and elemental rework 2022

[languid aspen]

Yeah those elite mandrill cavalry.. they’re a big pain in the ass

[languid aspen]

Q: this is 1 trillion damage already right?

[last vine]

is the game ever being unshackled from 505?

[last vine]

and does this work??

or for a thunderbolt build is it better to just run chain summons thunderbolt + thorns

[last vine]

spiritual assault needs to be improved

[thorny parcel]

Yep.

If I understand correctly, even the casual players don't make it popular, and you can win just by picking 1 thing at the start while spamming reloads.

[last vine]

Either you become completely invincible and nothing matters or you just spam a skill over and over instantly killing every enemy on the screen and oneshotting each phase of gluttony.

Needs more difficulty, and variation in jades.

I feel like I am just using the same combination for primary, secondary, and weapon builds on each character

Also a jokul stage, and maybe the ability to go endless, going through the different stages, with different bosses.

[thorny parcel]

Needs more difficulty
It used to have that. They made it easier.

Buffed jades, heavily buffed multiplayer, added seals for extra power, added challenge events that give rewards, nerfed enemies (particularly the lifestealing and crowd controlling ones).

[viral tulip]

Huh

People use the lightning arcane ascension?

With what

Also which do you guys think is the best one

The middle path one is so confusing so I've only touched it once

Corrosion one with the cat is nuts

[uneven vessel]

Thunder step is the best by a long shot

[languid aspen]

Thorns > Thunderstep > Elemental Pulse

I personally love to screw around with lei luo + thunderstep.

It's an amazing myriad of mayhem unleashed

[viral tulip]

Explain

[languid aspen]

damage scaling ascension, imprisons enemy, dash cooldown, gives your ult an improved version every few seconds

what's not there to like about it?

[uneven vessel]

more than just that

it can deal infinite damage with thunderous arcanum

[languid aspen]

Maybe i'll try ending the run with cat at floor 1,000 then use lei luo + thunderstep

[languid aspen]

oh yea that shit is broken, i've had a very very bad luck running lei luo on boundless so i never really bothered

[uneven vessel]

having thunder mastery and thunderous arcanum are amazing

[languid aspen]

🥹

[uneven vessel]

in boundless you get all jades eventually lol

[viral tulip]

I need to read up on this

[languid aspen]

yeah you do. i think at least 110 floors you have everything maxed out

What blessings do you run for Lei Luo, Tea?

Besides thunder & glory

[viral tulip]

I don't understand guys

[uneven vessel]

Last time I played Lei Luo was to break spiritual assault

[viral tulip]

Are you saying lightning can auto kill reincarnation 9

[uneven vessel]

with just skills

[languid aspen]

essentially... yes lol

[uneven vessel]

I have not played Lei Luo in a standard run in god knows

[languid aspen]

got it, will just mess around with it then

[viral tulip]

Chris stream it

[uneven vessel]

Crown Prince in boundless is very funnt

funny*

[viral tulip]

You would use crown prince with the lightning arcane ascension?

[languid aspen]

No, im using thorns. and sure i will later if u still up

[viral tulip]

Yeah I thought thorns was the obvious choice

[languid aspen]

i mean i can just reset the run i got but im still aiming for 1000 floors

[languid aspen]

i tried lightning with prince, its wacky

[viral tulip]

I backed out of my boundless run earlier and when I went back in it reset to when I just cleared reincarnation 9

[languid aspen]

prince doesnt die anymore until i do something stupid. that's how broken it is on boundless.. 😭

[viral tulip]

is it supposed to do that

[languid aspen]

well you "cleared" r9

so it saved at that point

boundless is like a normal run, it just doesn't end until you die

[viral tulip]

Huh

[languid aspen]

you cleared the 4 rooms right?

it might've saved on that progress

when you backed out

[viral tulip]

I did like 4 playthroughs of the 4 bosses after initially beating reinc 9

and then I saved

[languid aspen]

Hmm

[viral tulip]

went back in

[languid aspen]

That's odd. I never encountered it sry

[viral tulip]

and it was back at progress reflective of just after the first playthrough

so that's not supposed to happen?

Hmmm

[languid aspen]

I'm honestly not sure, if you DID force close the game, the game will spawn to last saved spot