Steam 2

[tulip steppe]

shitiber

[edgy lodge]

I wanna get it for spiritual assault

I get double caliber a lot

Don't like it tho

[tulip steppe]

VC? im in 🚗

[edgy lodge]

Can't until tomorrow mate

Don't have a working mic or somewhere to talk at my dad's

Tomorrow when I get home is the 1000 stage final stretch
Bc you can't save above 812, so I'm doing one big push

[nocturne snow]

So uhh just started. Do I just grind for talent unlocks to start?

[edgy lodge]

Pretty much

[shell patrol]

yep

make sure to unlock all the character-specific unlocks first tbf

[spice forum]

yesnt

Shouldnt ignore them but some in the tree are way more important to get when you can get them

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/656702579702759424/1035282789777539112/unknown.png?width=1202&height=676
Red = High priority , those upgrades help you big time
Yellow = Nice to have if you cant get a red upgraded , buy one of those ( 1 and 2 are orders to max out )
Green , okay but not run changing like the others , if you dont have anything to get and dont want to save , might as well
Blue are the last ones you can get as they change little about your potential in a run
Purple are MP only effects
White are get if you struggle to survive

[shell patrol]

white is super good for Sanguine relic

at least the dmg resistance

with it it becomes a positive bonus in healtj

[shell patrol]

id say to just not get Reliable Bun

worthless

[spice forum]

You do know this is -50% resistance and the talent gives only 15% , right ?

[shell patrol]

yes

-35% but you get double health

thats still +15% health

[edgy lodge]

1.5x

[shell patrol]

AND lifesteal

oh

[spice forum]

... thats not how that works...

[shell patrol]

1.5x

hm

[spice forum]

you get 50% more health

[shell patrol]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[spice forum]

and take overall 35% more dmg

[shell patrol]

math isnt mathing

[spice forum]

And blue as I stated are last to get if you dont have anything else to get anymore

[shell patrol]

ya

i maxed out dmg res tho

helps a lot

[edgy lodge]

Sanguine relic is alright but definitely not as good as it used to be

[shell patrol]

it fucks with spirit feline tho

bonus if you get lightless shield or heavy shield

or both

[spice forum]

ehhh Spirit feline not so much

against the heavy hits aka , boss and most elites it changes nothing

[edgy lodge]

Gold medal is a lot better synergy

With spirit feline

[spice forum]

it only amplifies Felines downside with rapid attack enemies

Monks suddenly become deadly

[shell patrol]

idk lol i got sanguine + spirit feline + that one regeneration scroll + heavy shield + limitless shield and i just meleed pole monarch to death

[spice forum]

Where as Elite Lobster not so much

[shell patrol]

only problem was flamethrowers

[spice forum]

Rapid attacks

not heavy slow

[edgy lodge]

Pole Monarch is a slow hitter so spirit feline is ok

[spice forum]

Anything that has high tick dmg melts you with feline

[shell patrol]

yea rapid isnt grest for spirit feline

[edgy lodge]

But Nihilation Monks become your worst nightmare

[spice forum]

Or Penguins

Which already are stupid dmg wise

[shell patrol]

i was fast enough to get out of most stuff + i had iron wing so

[spice forum]

That ice thrower gotta be the highest dps in the game

[edgy lodge]

Yeah I think it is

[shell patrol]

it is

[spice forum]

In an Ao Bai run without Feline I had over 1k hp

melted me within a second

[shell patrol]

youch

wait, 1k?

[edgy lodge]

Mutant Penguins are Arsonists if you shoved them in a pack-a-punch machine

[shell patrol]

WHAT

[spice forum]

thats low numbers

[shell patrol]

me with like 300:

[spice forum]

Veteran and melee

[shell patrol]

i got flesh n bones + sanguine relic so jt was funny

wait, does veteran carry over? i forgot

[spice forum]

you get stupid high HP numbers

[shell patrol]

hm

i never seem to get it tho

i think i got it once and thats it

[edgy lodge]

Veteran is pretty funny (except in Spiritual Assault)

[shell patrol]

would be awesome wjth melee

[edgy lodge]

You're definitely quite the melee fan

[shell patrol]

i am

[edgy lodge]

I love melees, just sadly not in this game so much

[shell patrol]

i meleed pole monarch to death yesterday

[edgy lodge]

I've done it with fire tower before

[shell patrol]

is Fish or Bear paw a good scroll for melee?

i dont get how it works

wait

no

[edgy lodge]

Melee is a 1 projectile attack so yeah it is pretty good I'd say

Idk I don't use melee that much in gfr sadly

[shell patrol]

the description of it makes it look like itd reduce my damage until it does the damage increase

OH

it still stays at stock damage

huh

[spice forum]

Yesnt

With a sinlge projectile you have a 96.5 % chance per shot to deal 2 times 50% of your dmg

but there is the 3.5% chance to only hit once with the 50% dmg

[shell patrol]

hm

would the 75% lightning chance be worth it

on flowing light

since stock is 50% but with double proc its like 75

oh well. ill test it later

could be v good with merciless combo

wait

@spice forum does the lucky shot chance apply for both hits?

or if its a lucky shot both hits will be lucky shot

[spice forum]

its just splits your shot into 2 separate hit roll

with all that comes from that

[shell patrol]

oh

might be bad for lucky shot then

meh

not v worth it i think

[spice forum]

On Flowing Light , no

[shell patrol]

+25% lightning chance but a 3.5% chance to deal halved dmg and both hits proc lucky shot separately

mehhh

[dire jolt]

before endless i did a run with that poison katana with fox. iit somehow worked out lol

[shell patrol]

yea

with good defense scrolls like spirit feline and sanguine relic and some speed scrolls its cool asf

man i wish iron wing could revive other teammates

[dire jolt]

oh i found a cool star ring :o

[shell patrol]

holy hell

thats one helluva star ring

[tulip steppe]

nice, the best gemini in the game

[true ivy]

fr tho

[spice forum]

Mag share go brrrrrrrree

[edgy lodge]

The best gemini is the one that causes the sun to explode

[oak veldt]

Im glad that isnt the case tbh Iron Wing mostly dies especially in coop due to higher damage scaling from the enemies and if he just sits there for 3 seconds its guaranteed that hes going down and like the only solution for iron wing to be viable in higher difficulties is by being lucky to get The Pair of Us at some point

You will see what i mean once you progress further to higher reincarnation levels

[shell patrol]

yea ig

its just like

my friends die too much so i want him to revive em instead

i can manage

[oak veldt]

I mean dying a lot in the beginning is pretty normal

Once you learn the patterns and what to lookout for this issue will start to dissappear

[shell patrol]

yea i kinda do that

i wish you could switch revive modes on iron wing

so even if it doesnt revive you, it revives team

[carmine ermine]

Iron Wing reviving you alone is already absurdly overpowered.

Him being able to help your teammates too would be so so much worse.

Especially since you can make him unkillable from the very first room on Reincarnation. If your friends are dying, just hide behind a rock and let Iron Wing endlessly revive them no problem.

[shell patrol]

HUH\

unkillable

[carmine ermine]

Well, virtually unkillable.

They can still die if you die, but that's why you would hide.

[shell patrol]

alos just got poisonous ghost

its good. i prefer flowing light still tho

[dire jolt]

geminis are ez to change :p

im still going brrrrr

[tulip steppe]

253 is the biggest mag you can have as a stat stick

and its the best gemini

[dire jolt]

it dropped like that

i didnt roll it

i picked it up and put the correct gemini on it obviously lol

im running an elemental build for the silly and its somehow working out (idk why im doing this run to mostly find weapons and stash it xD)

my brain is on auto pilot now ;w;

[edgy lodge]

The last words Golem heard was "Waterman"

I think

[dire jolt]

"watermelon" xD

its a inside joke when i play Tower Unite there's this minigame called Ball Race and you collect watermelons.. and every time I pick one up I just say in a monotone voice "....watermelon..."

i am in a vc with a friend lol

[edgy lodge]

Imagine the final word you hear is "Watermelon" before being incinerated by a Wunderwaffe DG-2

[dire jolt]

LOL

[edgy lodge]

Your brain is programmed to say watermelon when that specific event happens

My brain is programmed to say Round instead of Stagr

Stage*

Because I play too much CoD Zombies

Also I can't wait to finally hit that 1000

Tomorrow

[dire jolt]

ur almost at 1000?!

i was planning on stopping when it ends me

but I KEEP HOVERING AROUND 2-3 MINUTES

[edgy lodge]

Yep

I am gonna go in vc for when I do it if anyone is bothered to witness my suffering end

[shell patrol]

just record it with obs and upload somewhere if you pull it off honestly

[edgy lodge]

I have it at 812 because you can't save past it

[edgy lodge]

Yeah I'm gonna record it

[shell patrol]

man i probably wouldve beaten nightmare by now if i didnt have a crippling melee addiction

[edgy lodge]

[trim swan]

I can watc

[shell patrol]

id watch but the timezone is probably screwed

[edgy lodge]

Well my time zone is in the UK, and I'll be finishing my run starting from 10:00am approximately

It'll take an hour or two

[edgy lodge]

Epic

[trim swan]

so in 7 minutes?

[edgy lodge]

I'm doing it tomorrow XD

[trim swan]

oh

[edgy lodge]

I mean I could save it for tomorrow night

So you can watch

@trim swan

Or just whenever

Time zones are a bit silly so I'll probs do it in the afternoon idk yet

I'm recording the finish anyway

[trim swan]

whatever works for you

[edgy lodge]

Oki

Well I'll be sure to make a clip and screenshot just in case anyway

[shell patrol]

oh im in the same timezone

if its evening i can watch

its 10:00 pm right

[ivory parrot]

why do we have 2

Those are two different emojis

[carmine ermine]

So we can do this.

[ivory parrot]

for the sole purpose of gg?

how about

[carmine ermine]

Yes.

[ivory parrot]

Thats a little bit silly

a lil quirky as some would say

(im sorry)

[shell patrol]

hmm

nona melee might just be usable on bosses

since iron wing baits aggro

[ivory parrot]

Why nona???

Do like, monkey melee

monkeys probably the best for it

[shell patrol]

because funny revives + cool design + iron wing funnies

[ivory parrot]

Uh

[shell patrol]

like yeah its not optimal

[ivory parrot]

The only one of those that makes sense is free revives

[trim swan]

why not pistol nona

[shell patrol]

but it is fun

pistols work too

i often run icy spear aside from melee

[ivory parrot]

You are trading damage for revives

gunfire reborn is already busted

if you kill the enemies fast enough you dont need the revives

[shell patrol]

wait, does monkey have melee ascensions?

[trim swan]

you use icy spear?

[shell patrol]

yea

i like it

[ivory parrot]

no but his ascensions benefit heavier-hitting weapons

[shell patrol]

also solid with sanguinic relic

[shell patrol]

oh

[ivory parrot]

Such as shotguns, swords, launcher, and snipers

[shell patrol]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[ivory parrot]

And hes got an ascension that increases shield and dmg reduction for every enemy killed, up to 5 enemies

[shell patrol]

besides iron wing baiting aggro helps with melee on bosses

[ivory parrot]

just dodge

[shell patrol]

huh thats kinda nice i guess

[shell patrol]

this is true

until dash is on cool down and its an aoe attack

[ivory parrot]

You still have to get close to bosses to deal damage anyways

[trim swan]

just get strategic advantage and ostrich rider

[ivory parrot]

not to mention nonas squishiness

[ivory parrot]

the fuck?

[shell patrol]

ostrich rider?

fuck no

[trim swan]

lol

[ivory parrot]

yes get two scrolls that work against each other

[shell patrol]

strategic advantage, propulsion device and advanced joggers are cool tho

[ivory parrot]

yes

[shell patrol]

honestly i dont feel the squishiness if i get spirit feline + sanguinic relic

[ivory parrot]

thats literally any character

[shell patrol]

yea

[ivory parrot]

and you aren't guaranteed to get them

[shell patrol]

true

[ivory parrot]

idk when I did my all weapons challenge monkey was the best for swords

I mean, ig I didnt try any other characters

[shell patrol]

yea im like

[ivory parrot]

but swords monkey was a breeze

[shell patrol]

not building to be optimal lol

i just like mecha, and i also like melee

[carmine ermine]

Probably because Monkey is the only hero who can use swords without actually using swords.

Unless you weren't using Soul Strike.

[shell patrol]

thats the bunny too

[ivory parrot]

you mentioned something about not beating nightmare because of your melee addiction

maybe its because you arent playing optimally?

[carmine ermine]

Wrong swords.

[shell patrol]

oh im joking

[ivory parrot]

yeah I said that I wouldnt be

[shell patrol]

its usually all my friends dying

[ivory parrot]

I said skill dmg would be < 10% of damage, then I realized soul strike is weapon damage so I said I wouldnt use that either

[shell patrol]

im almost always the last one to die in runs lol

[ivory parrot]

cuz you have iron wing

[shell patrol]

true, but also because i die like 3x less

my friends die every 10 seconds on bosses

[ivory parrot]

Oh ok

[shell patrol]

yeah uh they started like 2 days ago and we're on nightmare already

[ivory parrot]

welp nightmare is the hardest difficulty

[shell patrol]

isnt ascension past like 5 harder

[ivory parrot]

Nope

[shell patrol]

*resurrection

oops

[ivory parrot]

reincarnation is the last difficulty

nightmare is the hardest

[shell patrol]

ah

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[ivory parrot]

Reincarnation is probably meant to be the hardest

[shell patrol]

once i get a run going with spirit feline ill be fine

[ivory parrot]

but if you even have the slightest idea what you're doing and have a decent build planned out, its an easy win

[dire jolt]

i tossed my spirit feline... and yet my fox refuses to die ;w;

[shell patrol]

yea i kinda know the perfect melee build (aside from character), just need some luck to pull it off

[ivory parrot]

This perfect melee build you speak of is most likely just a perfect weapon build

[shell patrol]

its either fully build for speed or stuff like feline + sanguinic relic + heavy shield + lightless shield

ehh it depends

[ivory parrot]

so immortality build

[shell patrol]

basically yeah

until you see a penguin

and get cooked in 3 seconds

[ivory parrot]

all my homies hate penguins

[shell patrol]

melee'd pole monarch to death with that yesterday

[ivory parrot]

because you were immortal

[shell patrol]

still, most builds dont need that kind of immortality if you have the damage output of snipers or such

[ivory parrot]

yeah, because sword melee isn't one of the stronger builds in the game

thats why its less popular

[shell patrol]

one of the weaker id say

i COULD main pistol but like

the only 2 pistols i really like is star ring and icy spear

[ivory parrot]

Qing yan cleave melee in spiritual assault is

[shell patrol]

sniper i had enough of in borderlands

now im just going mad with melee and its mostly working lol

[ivory parrot]

I never liked snipers in bl

idk

[shell patrol]

snipers are cool in moderation

they get boring tho

[ivory parrot]

ye

[shell patrol]

i gotta say tho

melee fucks if you build for lucky shot

[ivory parrot]

as with every weapon build

[shell patrol]

and you get the 0 ammo 100% lucky shot chance inscription

[ivory parrot]

ah the more lucky shot for less ammo in mag?

[shell patrol]

yea

you can use it at 0

and get 100% lucky shot

[ivory parrot]

pair it with adv depot or something ye

[shell patrol]

very solid for melee

whats adv depot

OH YEA

uses ammo from reserve?

[ivory parrot]

oh for non melee weapon builds

ig for poisonous ghost or flowing light it doesnt need it

[shell patrol]

heck yeah i just realized thats useful for the secondary

eh

the secondary on flowing light is v solid

poisonous ghost is okay but imho the secondary is meh and it covers too much screen space lol

[ivory parrot]

yeah but primary doesnt need it

[shell patrol]

yea

its prob placebo but it feels like poisonous ghost doesnt have as much impact to it

[ivory parrot]

yeah idk it feels weaker than flowing light

[shell patrol]

fr

flowing light best melee imho unless you build for elemental stuff like combustion

fire tower i think has lower dps and costs ammo

tho the sfx is v funny

[ivory parrot]

eh fire tower monkey can be fun

especially with movement speed scrolls

You just zoom around and big thonk

[shell patrol]

yea

melee with movement speed is godly lmao

RAHHH I AM THE SPEED DEMON

strategic advantage is one of the scrolls to ever

ostrich rider literal garbage tho

[ivory parrot]

Yeah I just enjoy move speed with fire tower the most

[ivory parrot]

good for speedruns

[shell patrol]

fair

[ivory parrot]

you can probably get move overall ground coverage with it

[shell patrol]

anyway whats wrong with icy spear

[ivory parrot]

but dashing is important

[shell patrol]

very

[ivory parrot]

is something wrong with it?

[shell patrol]

idk lol

[carmine ermine]

It's a tech weapon.

[shell patrol]

.

[carmine ermine]

Gotta know how to use it.

[ivory parrot]

yeah I was about to say its weak on its own

But if you pair it with spores or energy blade

you tear shit up

[shell patrol]

i reallt like it with sanguinic relic

since i get consistent healing lol

and god the fuckin damage when you withdraw a ton of spears

[trim swan]

I didn't say it was bad

[ivory parrot]

its even crazier with energy blade on cat

[shell patrol]

but yea i mostly just have icy spear or strike wing as secondary

[trim swan]

just haven't seen people use it

[shell patrol]

whats energy blade

the thing that locks shit in place?

[shell patrol]

ah

[carmine ermine]

Cat ascension.

[ivory parrot]

after casting orb you get 300%/400%/500% damage to next hit

[shell patrol]

oh shit

whta the fuck

[ivory parrot]

it applies to all hits with a single click I think

[shell patrol]

yea that sounds solid

[ivory parrot]

so if you summon a shit ton of spears then withdraw em all, they all get the buff

[carmine ermine]

All hits of all shots until one of them hits an enemy.

[shell patrol]

withdrawing a million spears is a godly feeling

[ivory parrot]

Yeah but preexisting shots still keep the buff

[shell patrol]

is strike wing good?

[ivory parrot]

You can get some pretty good damage with it ye

definitely not a good weapon to start off with

in my experience anyways

[shell patrol]

yea

i mean

i dont really pop off till like

[carmine ermine]

They don't.

[shell patrol]

3rd act/dimension/whatever

[ivory parrot]

then how does icy spear pair so well with this

[shell patrol]

before that is the hardest part

[ivory parrot]

oh do they all count as one shot?

[shell patrol]

for me

[carmine ermine]

If you throw an icy spear then cast energy orb for the buff, that spear won't be buffed or even count as consuming the buff.

How it works is like I said. All hits from all shots are buffed until a buffed hit lands on an enemy.

[shell patrol]

but

[ivory parrot]

thats how it is with every build except for a select few

[ivory parrot]

Ah I see

[shell patrol]

spear has dot damage

[shell patrol]

oh fair

[carmine ermine]

If you cast energy orb then throw down 5 spears without hitting an enemy, they all get buffed.

[ivory parrot]

recalling the spears

[shell patrol]

but yea i end up biasing towards something like argus, icy spear, brick or strike wing most of the time

[shell patrol]

ya

[ivory parrot]

thats not dot

[shell patrol]

yes but

spear normallt has dot

before withdraw

[ivory parrot]

yeah but when one hits an enemy they all keep the buff, even though preexisting shots dont keep the buff?

[shell patrol]

wait

i wonder

[ivory parrot]

ik but thats not the topic here

[shell patrol]

is the spear dot good for merciless combo

[ivory parrot]

i think if you stack it enough ye

[shell patrol]

that sounds stupidly fucking good if it works, or is there a delay before it stacks?

[ivory parrot]

one spear dot isnt good

[shell patrol]

*delay between stacks

yeah

but multiple is solid

[ivory parrot]

not that ik of

[shell patrol]

ooo

[carmine ermine]

Correct.

[shell patrol]

sounds vile then

im gonna test it

[carmine ermine]

Shots before the buff have no buff.
Shots after the buff have a buff.

[ivory parrot]

ahhh got it

[carmine ermine]

You cast energy orb first, then throw spears.

[ivory parrot]

so then ye preexisting shots keep it

[shell patrol]

also

[ivory parrot]

(preexisting as in they existed before the hit on the enemy)

[shell patrol]

i just remembered

[ivory parrot]

I probably should have made that clear lmao

[shell patrol]

iron wing counts for sanguinic relic

[ivory parrot]

ah so thats good for hiding

[shell patrol]

yea

[ivory parrot]

however with melee you should be dealing constant damage regardless, so iron wing shouldnt be procing it any more than you are

[shell patrol]

yea

it is funny though

icy spear is also solid for it

[ivory parrot]

ye

[shell patrol]

cant wait for melee buffs if those happen tbh

for one i think it should have crits

[ivory parrot]

wish granted!

counterviolence

oh wait you dont have reincarnation yet

wish not granted!

[shell patrol]

what does it do

as in, counterviolence

[ivory parrot]

+1 critx and all weapon hits have 50% chance to crit

no matter where they hit

however swords still cant have the crit share gemini

[shell patrol]

theres a scroll that makes all hits crit for 3 seconds after getting damaged

but like

[ivory parrot]

oh deadly counter

[shell patrol]

eh

yea

[ivory parrot]

I forgot about that

[shell patrol]

i think swords should still crit if i hit weakspor

like come on, im risking my life, soul, family and copper to be up close with melee anyway, at least gimme a 2x crit if im hittinf their head

[carmine ermine]

Don't give the devs buff ideas.

Everyone here knows they'd totally do it.

[shell patrol]

hell yeah i will, melee needs buffs

[ivory parrot]

they will

[ivory parrot]

the games easy enough

just get to reincarnation first

[shell patrol]

ok but at least make it worth the risk on bosses smh

[carmine ermine]

Want to know why it's not worth the risk on bosses?

[ivory parrot]

By playing melee you accept the risk no matter what lmao

[carmine ermine]

Because melee weapons weren't even a thing when most bosses were added.

[shell patrol]

yea

[carmine ermine]

Bosses were literally not designed to be melee'd.

[shell patrol]

still, it doesnt have anywhere near as much damage while being extremely risky on bosses

which kinda sucks

[ivory parrot]

melee is extremely risky

You just are playing nightmare

[shell patrol]

eh elite also in a way

[ivory parrot]

similarly to bosses, no melee weapons were made until reincarnation (im pretty sure atleast)

normal, elite, and nightmare werent meant for melee

and the devs arent gonna go back and change em

[shell patrol]

oh so melee works fine for reincarnation?

[ivory parrot]

yes

As long as you know what you're doing

[shell patrol]

what makes it solid in it?

[ivory parrot]

overconsumption

[shell patrol]

whats that

[carmine ermine]

Super powerful "Let's boost everything" item.

[shell patrol]

hmm

[shell patrol]

HAHAHAHAAHAH

[ivory parrot]

imagine act 1

[shell patrol]

HOLY FUCKING SHIT

THATS FUCKING VILE

[carmine ermine]

We know.

[ivory parrot]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[shell patrol]

HA

alright i see it now

just gotta beat nightmare and then i can be a melee demon

does the cooldown red apply to dash

[ivory parrot]

make sure you have soul essence to buy it

yes

Its a gambling system though

[shell patrol]

hm?

[ivory parrot]

Act 1 you can buy 1 of 3 blessings. You can spend 10/20/30/40/etc soul essence to reroll the 3

act two you can buy 1 of 3 blessings and you cant reroll it

[shell patrol]

slot machine gameplay

[ivory parrot]

more or less ye

[shell patrol]

how many blessings exist?

[ivory parrot]

oh look if you play monkey you can have this one

[shell patrol]

also imagine if ao bai could dual wield melee

thatd be horribly funny

[ivory parrot]

I think its like, 30 general ones and then each character has 4 exclusive ones

[carmine ermine]

Kind of like what you already get, but you can rig it at a cost, and not getting what you want later has a much bigger impact.

[shell patrol]

damn

im still not switching tho >:(

[ivory parrot]

If you carry a sword and a rifle, then you get +75% movement speed and +75% damage

[shell patrol]

i need my STAND BY FOR TITANFALL

[ivory parrot]

well this ones good too

especially on bosses

[ivory parrot]

shit I was way off

[shell patrol]

hell yeah

that looks good

wait

[ivory parrot]

with counterviolence that +3x crit

[shell patrol]

cant you make iron wing basically immortal anyway

wait

[ivory parrot]

no you can make him immortal

[shell patrol]

can you get only 2 blessings

[ivory parrot]

3

4 if solo

[shell patrol]

oh

3

hm

so could i theoretically do overconsumption + counterviolence + same boat

[ivory parrot]

yes

however you arent guaranteed to get 2 of those 3

[shell patrol]

fair

[ivory parrot]

and if you don't have enough soul essence, you arent guaranteed any of those 3

if you are solo you are guaranteed 1

[shell patrol]

wait, what are enhanced scrolls

[shell patrol]

i see

[ivory parrot]

just better versions of scrolls

[shell patrol]

i see

wait, isnt enhanced sanguinic relic

without the dmg res nerf

[carmine ermine]

Yes.

[shell patrol]

thats a little broken

[ivory parrot]

I believe so

Yeah so some enhanced scrolls are WAYYY better than the OG

and some of em are a bit better than the og

[carmine ermine]

And some are useless.

[trim swan]

My favorite is enhanced final judgement

[shell patrol]

what does that do

[ivory parrot]

Like enhanced life saver is you get the free nodeath buff every 2 minutes instead of one time

[shell patrol]

final judgement already FUCKS

what else can it get

[shell patrol]

what the fuck

thats

[carmine ermine]

Kills enemies at a higher %.

[shell patrol]

ultra broken

[ivory parrot]

I'm pretty sure it bumps up the % instakill

[shell patrol]

to how much

[trim swan]

Yeah that

[ivory parrot]

30 i think

and then 15 on bosses

[carmine ermine]

15% and 8% to 20% and 10%.

[shell patrol]

holy shit

[ivory parrot]

Neverming

[shell patrol]

i mean

thats still v solid

[ivory parrot]

I'm not good at this stuff

[shell patrol]

is it 20% on elites?

or 10%

[trim swan]

Enhanced final judgement is really fun on endless

[carmine ermine]

20% is elites.

[ivory parrot]

WHAT

[shell patrol]

JUDGEMENT

- Minos Prime

[shell patrol]

the hell

[trim swan]

I also like enhanced giant slayer

[shell patrol]

broken ahh scroll

[shell patrol]

what it do

does it have the stupid cap removed

[ivory parrot]

Not removed

[shell patrol]

but raised? to what

[ivory parrot]

but bumped up to 5k * player count

[shell patrol]

GUH

[ivory parrot]

so you can get 20k

[shell patrol]

not bad

[carmine ermine]

It also is always based on max HP, not current.

[shell patrol]

but i think not very high in the grand scheme of things, right?

[carmine ermine]

Yep.

Giant Slayer is very meh on high difficulties.

[trim swan]

True

[shell patrol]

anyway

whats the max damage output of nona missiles

with rapid fire and capacity buffs theyre p solid but i wonder if i can get them to bonkers damage

[carmine ermine]

The damage cap.

[shell patrol]

WHAT

but how

[carmine ermine]

Reincarnation stuff.

[shell patrol]

that sounds

too funky

[carmine ermine]

Yep.

[trim swan]

It's really easy to hit the damage cap on Reincarnation

[shell patrol]

ill assume the enemies dont get too strong though, right?

[trim swan]

Depends

[carmine ermine]

Act 1 and dying in 1 hit are the only real notable enemy differences.

[shell patrol]

so spirit feline would be v good right

[shell patrol]

dying in one hit... damn didnt know gunfire reborn was a touhou spinoff

[trim swan]

Lol

[shell patrol]

i reallt hate exploding lantern spirit

"awww you run melee? GET FUCKED"

[trim swan]

Unless you run tiger and it nukes them before they can get to you

[ivory parrot]

oh youll hate reincarnation 9 and elite corrupt monks then

[shell patrol]

whats up with that

also is re9 new or something

[ivory parrot]

elite corrupt monks summon pyro lantern spirits and reincarnation 9 replaces every lantern spirit with a pyro lantern spirit

pyro lanterns drop a huge fire AOE that does a shit ton of damage

[trim swan]

Just R8/R7 with enemy modifications

[ivory parrot]

it came out like 5 months ago

[trim swan]

Act 1 being the only real annoying part of R9

[ivory parrot]

and pyro lanterns

[shell patrol]

wait

do pyro lanterns have a delay before exploding

[carmine ermine]

A slight delay.

Unless you kill them

[trim swan]

The things I hate the most in R9 act 1 is
Horsemen shields
Grenades covering the entire room

[carmine ermine]

Then it's instant.

[shell patrol]

i see

[shell patrol]

horsemen shield are bypassed by nona missiles and melee thankfully

[trim swan]

R9 horseman shield negates all type of damage

[shell patrol]

what

thats bullshit

[trim swan]

I run owl so it kills my cards

[shell patrol]

owl funny

[trim swan]

Actually I think every enemy with a physical shield negates damage but the ones in act 2 are really small

So it's really only noticable in act 1

[ivory parrot]

yeah horsemen shield pre r9 are pieces of cardboard

horsemen shield in r9 is gigachad slab of fucking titanium

[shell patrol]

youch

[trim swan]

And grenades just explode into three and scatter

So you can have like an entire room in grenades and nowhere to stay safe

[shell patrol]

😭

is it harder than nightmare

[carmine ermine]

Yes and no.

[trim swan]

I consider nightmare really easy even without the blessings in reincarnation

[carmine ermine]

But usually no.

[shell patrol]

nightmare sucks if you run melee and your friends die every 10 seconds

[trim swan]

Oof

[shell patrol]

yea

boss stage
start boss
friends start dying after every single attack

they dont even have the down penalty removal talent

mfw i end up having to kill a 2m health boss on my own

[dire jolt]

woo! xDDD

[shell patrol]

holy shit

[dire jolt]

okay im done with that run

this was my obnoxious build ( )

[edgy lodge]

Idk what time I will yet

[loud steppe]

Hello

[shell patrol]

is +300 max level

[edgy lodge]

Yep

Just got home, gonna have some breakfast and put my 1000 run out of its misery

[tulip steppe]

hype

[jolly stag]

wtf is with this discord server ,

it got some complicated community dissection

it wasnt like this when i was here few months back

[shell patrol]

yea its weird

[burnt estuary]

can i save a run in coop

[edgy lodge]

Imma do a bit of spiritual assault then finish my endless in a bit

[shell patrol]

no

[burnt estuary]

if im not host, can i leave and rejoin

[shell patrol]

you can still use the rest spots to get health tho

[burnt estuary]

with same weapons

[shell patrol]

doubt it, you can try though

can people join in the middle of a run at all?

anyway

is a melee only run possible

without stuff like fire tower and poisonous ghost secondary i mean

saw secondary and storm chaser count

[carmine ermine]

No. You can't rejoin at all.

[carmine ermine]

Yes. Bosses that would normally be too far away to hit with such short range have a "melee hitbox" that lets you hit them anyway.

[shell patrol]

yeah but like

iirc some stages have enemies unreachable with melee

wait

would iron wing count

since he primarily just punches

[carmine ermine]

Oh that.
If you're using pure melee and no foundry, you're fucked.

[shell patrol]

i mean

i can roll a melee at the start

[shell patrol]

thats where iron wing comes in xD

[carmine ermine]

Having Iron Wing isn't really a melee build, is it?

[shell patrol]

it is

[carmine ermine]

That's just an Iron Wing build but you hold a sword.

[shell patrol]

iron wing is, technically, melee

but ig i could do it on something else

[carmine ermine]

Cleave would be closer to being a melee build.

[shell patrol]

theres also one mroe thing

flowing light secondary has stupid range

[carmine ermine]

No wait, Striking Punch.

[shell patrol]

whats striking punch

but yeah i could use bird for the run i gues

[carmine ermine]

Turtle's secondary skill.

Striking Punch is the closest thing to a true melee without using a melee weapon.

[shell patrol]

i mean

melee only i can just use sword, saw secondary or storm chaser

theres the starter chest lol

[shell patrol]

also, why though?

some melee has fucked hitboxes

with some v solid range

[carmine ermine]

Some enemies spawn in places that can't be reached with true melee. They will refuse to come down.

[shell patrol]

hmmm

[carmine ermine]

Notable is one layout of Duo Fjord stage 1, which has a spot at the top of an elevator for an Octopus and sometimes a Catfish Man.

[shell patrol]

wait

iron wing doesnt have missiles without the upgrade, right?

[carmine ermine]

It does, just switch to Strike Mode.

Though that and the... Charging Crush...? Ascension kinda defeats the purpose.

At that point, you might as well just switch to Foundry and kill them that way.

[shell patrol]

wait how do i switch modes lmao

[carmine ermine]

...

Cancel charge button. Default is middle click.

[shell patrol]

oh

lmao

[carmine ermine]

It's part of Iron Wing's description and he has an entire ascension group based around firing missiles which, until now, you wouldn't have seen him do.

[shell patrol]

never knew, always used default

im p sure ive seen him strike. oh well

the more you know

so uh, can i just keep him in the melee mode and would that count?

[carmine ermine]

I wouldn't count Iron Wing at all.

[shell patrol]

why not?

he's mele

e

[carmine ermine]

He's about as melee as using your secondary skill at point-blank.

It's close range, but not an actual melee weapon, and can probably do stuff a melee weapon cannot.

[drowsy rock]

its a minion, not melee

[shell patrol]

fair enough

[drowsy rock]

honestly turtle and bird are the only characters i would argue have melee abilites

[carmine ermine]

Worse still, unlike Cleave and Striking Punch, you can't just choose to not use him.

[shell patrol]

could do turtle or bird then

only issue is bosses honestly

[drowsy rock]

i mean turtle cant really die

its a slog but probably doable

firetower projectiles

[shell patrol]

what

[shell patrol]

doesnt count as melee

[drowsy rock]

ah damn

can boat be hit with melee?

the other bosses should be hittable

[shell patrol]

only all sword primaries, flowing light secondary, storm chaser and saw secondary

[shell patrol]

i think so

iron wing can hit it

might be v annoying tho

[drowsy rock]

then all bosses are doable

hard and tedious but doable

[shell patrol]

flowing light secondary should have the range to hit boat

[carmine ermine]

All bosses are hittable with melee, due to the melee hitbox thing.

[drowsy rock]

yeah

[shell patrol]

but i can prob just do the worm instead

[carmine ermine]

Where despite the distance, melee gets a free pass.

[shell patrol]

leviathan-thingy whatever it is is one of the easier melee bosses

[drowsy rock]

honestly with turtle thats just a normal ability based run

with the punches

[carmine ermine]

Kind of like how skills, explosions and melee get a free pass against bosses with damage reduction against non-crits.

[drowsy rock]

oh damn

[shell patrol]

if i build for immortality might be doable

oh yeah

golem will suck ass

lu wu will be better

[drowsy rock]

golem is honestly so much easier

[shell patrol]

dmg red is big for non cirts tho

[shell patrol]

what did you mean by this btw

anyway, with spirit feline boss melee might be quite easy

though also needs stuff like sanguinic relic etc

wait

WAIT

@carmine ermine

pole monarch with that big ass invincibility thing

how tf do i deal with thta

[edgy lodge]

New Spiritual Assault PB lesgoooooo

[shell patrol]

controller????

[edgy lodge]

yeah

I play with controller

[shell patrol]

damn

[edgy lodge]

my fingers hurt after that

[shell patrol]

so its fine?

[edgy lodge]

yeah I like controller more

[drowsy rock]

turtle is tanky ass fuck

[shell patrol]

great. so i CAN play it okishly on my flight

[edgy lodge]

Steam Deck?

[drowsy rock]

build for dash a bit and he cannot die

[shell patrol]

wait which one is turtle lmao

[shell patrol]

laptop and an xbox controller

[edgy lodge]

oh nice

[shell patrol]

could also build for immortality

[drowsy rock]

Homie i dont know their names 💀

[edgy lodge]

I have a PS5 controller but I have to use an emu for it to work with most games

Qian Sui

[shell patrol]

qian sui is a turtle???

mf looks like a porcupine

[drowsy rock]

uhhh dash invul scroll

[shell patrol]

what

fuckin

[edgy lodge]

Windrider gaming

[shell patrol]

huh????

[drowsy rock]

windrider

based scroll

[edgy lodge]

Any character with good dash setup with Windrider is rendered godmode lol

[shell patrol]

i meant as in shit liek spirit feline + flesh n bones + sanguinic relic + heavy shield + lightless shield

[edgy lodge]

^

[shell patrol]

literally immortality

[edgy lodge]

Almost invincibility

[shell patrol]

ok that sounds v good

[drowsy rock]

windrider + any dash reduction

[edgy lodge]

Emphasis on the almost

[shell patrol]

as long as you uhh

deal with penguins

[edgy lodge]

Pretty much

[shell patrol]

you dont get spirit feline before stage 2 usually so arsonists are ok

[edgy lodge]

It is the exact build I have for my endless rn

[shell patrol]

i wish you could carry scrolls without effects tbh

for friends

[carmine ermine]

Either the aura jars get a melee hitbox, or you wait it out because he eventually breaks them himself.

[shell patrol]

oh ok

cool

i just used bow for those sections cause i didnt know

[edgy lodge]

I love how almost nothing scales with the bossess in endless (reference to support things for them)

Yoruhime's Cannons are literal 1 shot when you get high enough

[shell patrol]

ok what if propulsion device + advanced joggers + whatever else reduction

• windrider

and strategic advantage

fuckin invincible

[edgy lodge]

pretty much

[shell patrol]

also, is heavy shield good?

[edgy lodge]

you can slip up rarely

[shell patrol]

i like it

[edgy lodge]

Yeah it is good, especially enhanced

[shell patrol]

set up an autoclicker on shift

[edgy lodge]

Ik

[drowsy rock]

punching with shield up also restores dashes pretty much instantly

[shell patrol]

dang

@carmine ermine btw i got poisonous ghost yesterday. its okay, def nicer than fire tower for me, but i still prefer FL lol

[carmine ermine]

Poisonous Ghost has the Cat's magic touch to it.

[drowsy rock]

miasma gaming

[carmine ermine]

AKA guaranteed Decay.

At least for the third hit anyway.

[shell patrol]

yea but i dont run cat

[carmine ermine]

You don't need to.

Poisonous Ghost brings the Cat with it.

[shell patrol]

anyway its just placebo that i think it has no impact at all lol

[drowsy rock]

thats what PG is for

[shell patrol]

also takes a TON of screenspace

quite annoying]

[drowsy rock]

i wish we could reduce/remove viewmodels

[shell patrol]

fr

like

FL and FT viewmodels are fine

PG is just

christ

[drowsy rock]

maybe i should just make a sugesstion or smth

[shell patrol]

also

resilience scroll description is fucked

it says -0.5 dmg res lol

instead of +0.5

[shell patrol]

smh i hate that the third hit consumes ammo unless the mag is empty

like come on. WHY does a melee weapon use ammo

nonsensical

[carmine ermine]

Because it empowers the hit.

[shell patrol]

fire tower 805 dps flowing light 1045 poisonous ghost 1078

funky

so PG has the highest dps

[carmine ermine]

You can still use it without ammo, but the third hit loses its +60% damage and its guaranteed decay. In fact, ALL hits except the blade wave loses its decay chance.

[shell patrol]

at least if its stock

[shell patrol]

without upgrades

FL has the best secondary out of em all imho

[carmine ermine]

Better bump that up to 905 for FT, 1045 for FL and 1293 for PG.

Fire Tower gets +25% damage every second hit. Poisonous Ghost gets +60% damage every third hit.

[shell patrol]

thats funky

[carmine ermine]

Flowing Light gets nothing.

Because it consumes no ammo.

[shell patrol]

yeah, but FT also uses ammo while having the lowest dps

FL also has arguably the best secondary

[carmine ermine]

FT also has the highest damage per hit, which is a marvelous trait to have in certain builds.

[shell patrol]

thats fair

but it depends

it cant have the 100% lucky shot chance either

PG has a really shitty secondary but the best dps

so i guess it depends on what youre building for. i find FL to be most versatile tho

also uses ammo

and a shitton of it

• no auto reload

so once mag is 0 your dps is like the same as FL and you have a worse secondayr, with no auto reload

and if you always reload youll be usign stupid amounts of ammo

[carmine ermine]

You seem to be really obsessed with this one 100% lucky shot chance inscription.

Especially considering it's already been pointed out there are other inscriptions that offer a bigger bonus without restricting you to the weak non-ammo-consumption attacks.

[shell patrol]

i mean yeah. its very good for melee imho

oh yeah now that i think about it

FL is better than PG at lucky shot

since you proc it only 2 times instead of 3

therefore with that inscription a bigger chance of proccing triple hit within them

this isnt RR yet so i cant easily stack up to like 400%

if i could, then it wouldnt be an issue at all

[edgy lodge]

gonna get some food then finishing my 1000 run

[edgy lodge]

Right, time to finish this run

[chrome blaze]

Ayy let's see if this works

Ok

Can there be a separate hotkey so be reset and recycle aren't the same button on Zi?

It's a huge waste of a limited ability but it forces you to reset when sometimes you just wanna trash the scroll and move on

[spice forum]

nope on him there is not and I had already said the same

it is annoying

[carmine ermine]

The especially annoying part is it's only the same button (and holding requirement) because the Compare function exists... on weapons.

[spice forum]

or just hold to pick up like the weapon backpack

[dire jolt]

Finally we can play together lmfao

[edgy lodge]

Join VC and watch me suffer

fighting last boss

with JUST A FOUNDRY

@spice forum

[spice forum]

at work

[jolly stag]

is there any guides on Li ?

for reincarnation

i usually do cataclysm and Q build

dropping them grenades

but is there any other build order?

[edgy lodge]

[spice forum]

@edgy lodge I got screens of ingame and end congratu-fucking-lations

[edgy lodge]

IT IS DONE

[edgy lodge]

1000

[spice forum]

1006

[edgy lodge]

I will upload the last 30 seconds of the foundry fight

Lu Wu

@spice forum

[spice forum]

Yeah at that point with infinite dmg and boss hp locked its possible

and satisfying

[edgy lodge]

I was blessed with the foundry

[spice forum]

Will make the post for the hall after work

Cause that shit is up there

[edgy lodge]

yooooo thanks

[cloud pumice]

what kind of build do you use to get max damage on xing zhe?

[shell patrol]

@edgy lodge nice one lol

now do 2000

[edgy lodge]

[shell patrol]

im thinking, would 4 players make it harder or easier?

[edgy lodge]

Much harder due to each person's day schedule

But in terms of killing, probably easier

[shell patrol]

ah

ngl once i get to r8 i might be down to grind endless with someone

or r9 for that matter

[edgy lodge]

But because of people's lives and times, it will be too hard

Endless is R9 yea

[shell patrol]

im off for a month after friday

ah, endless is r9

i see

[edgy lodge]

Fairs

Yea when you beat r9 you get endless or beat r8 or something

[shell patrol]

wait is endless just cycling through stages

[edgy lodge]

Yeah

[shell patrol]

fun

but yea just gotta finish nightmare and resurrection makes melee a lot better apparently so

[edgy lodge]

But instead of "Longling Tomb - Stage 4" it'll look like "Stage 17" as an example

[shell patrol]

ah

i see

funky

[edgy lodge]

Melee sadly won't help in Endless

[shell patrol]

oh, why not?

is it just too slow at killing

[edgy lodge]

The damage cap
The time limit (dumb!!!!!)
The overscaling of enemies (wouldn't be so bad if no time limit)

Yeah it's just too slow mate

[shell patrol]

oh

can you get an angelic aura to damage cap on every shot

[edgy lodge]

Endless has a time limit (ofc refills every round)

Yeah

[shell patrol]

funny

[edgy lodge]

My angelic aura SHREDDED bosses at the health cap

[shell patrol]

14 million dps

wait no

140

holy fuck

[edgy lodge]

The enemy health scales dramatically

[shell patrol]

i see

i wonder how would nona fare in endles

s

[edgy lodge]

The first few rounds aren't too bad but it goes downhill fast

[shell patrol]

i see

[edgy lodge]

Unsure but if you went with flowing light and such you sadly won't get far because of that pesky time limit

[shell patrol]

yeah i see

time limit smh

wouldnt it be funny if you could beat bosses by timing out like in touhou

[edgy lodge]

If the time limit wasn't a thing then ofc you can have all the fun you want with flowing light, just might be there for a bit each round lol