#Sharp X68000

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icy shuttle
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The x68k is so cool, and may not be on everyone's radar. Creating a thread to give it a space of it's own. Hopefully we can use our combined energy in this thread to conjure someone to merge the current (and future) Puu-san updates.

amber hemlock
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Yeah, that would be great. But i really crave direct video support for this core. I hope it's doable at some point.

smoky sail
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love that this got it's own thread, thanks. i would really love to see the x68k core get to a point where it can be a full replacement for the original hardware

icy shuttle
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That would be killer. I was surprised to hear that not all of Puu-san’s changes from last year weren’t merged into the core yet. It’s a process. Put-san’s core works in mister, but it’s 800x600 and doesn’t have a lot of mister features.

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Had to fix the date 🙂

amber hemlock
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Yeah, the keyboard changes are good. Kyukyoku Tiger e.g. is playable now.

thorny tree
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One with d88 floppy only
And the other with xdf floppy only

icy shuttle
# thorny tree There is two versions of Puu san core

I grabbed this one from the mister forums thread (someone there compiled it). I could compile both versions if folks would find that useful (working on a project right now that uses xdfs so being able to mount them directly, rather than converting them to d88, would be helpful)

thorny tree
rancid compass
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The current core is running Cho Ren Sha

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Thus I am not touching it 😉

icy shuttle
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Even runs the updated version 🙂

rancid compass
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Have it, yes

icy shuttle
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The latest unstable has all the midi fixes now to thanks to wark 🙂

foggy pawn
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Oh I didn’t know we had a dedicated channel lol

amber hemlock
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Yep, HDF is the way to go. For software emulators there is even something better. I hope this will work in Mister too at some point (support of HDS files)

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foggy pawn
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Can’t be specific but there’s a 0Mhz style pack for the X68000 archived out there. Don’t want to steal @slender wave thunder, he was trying to post about it.

icy shuttle
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There will be a new (updated) pack soon

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that pack is the old pack. the amiga vision folks aren’t involved with it’s creation. but some folks are working on a new one 🙂

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(with more games)

trail cypress
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Is this new, I didn't know about it.

foggy pawn
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Neither did I but there's a new cool updated pack coming soon, thanks for the info @icy shuttle !

icy shuttle
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its the same pack that has been available

foggy pawn
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that makes a ton of sense

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very cool of him to do that in the interim

icy shuttle
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Hoping to have the new pack ready soon. Then we want feedback from folks about stuff worth adding (I think we have added a dozen or so new games)

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Limi is going to whip something up for the new pack once it’s ready

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Converting disk games to HDF is fun and exciting work SuperScam

foggy pawn
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Did you see the 0Mhz style pack I posted about?

trail cypress
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That's awesome!

icy shuttle
foggy pawn
coral swallow
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Glad to see this channel here. Do I need the latest unstable mister build to run the newest X68k core ?

icy shuttle
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Nope. Runs on stable main

verbal abyss
coral swallow
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Thanks so much to everyone working on this.

icy shuttle
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@river mango I'm losing my mind. What magical incantation lets me play Kyuukyoku Tiger on the new core

amber hemlock
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AltGr iirc

icy shuttle
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No dice. Wonder if I have the right keyboard

amber hemlock
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Have you selected the US Keyboard in the core?

icy shuttle
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Oh I figured it was the 2nd JP keyboard. let me try that

amber hemlock
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I don't even use a full keyboard, just a Rii mini.

icy shuttle
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ha, nice Jack

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thank you!

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same 🙂

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@eager yacht Can you set keyboard in the MGL?

amber hemlock
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I wonder though, where on that Rii we can find the Sharp "Help" key.

icy shuttle
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does yours have a mouse pad?

amber hemlock
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Yes

icy shuttle
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because you can open the virtual keyboard by right clicking

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might have to click twice

amber hemlock
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This doesn't work properly most of the time. At least here

icy shuttle
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oh, yeah, I have noticed that some games disable the virtual keyboard

amber hemlock
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A lot of games uses the help key for switching between 15/31KHz

thorny tree
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for keys check the readme

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You could put a PDF and opened it on the core (Help)

icy shuttle
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Yeah, that’s the plan

amber hemlock
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Know the layout mappings from the PDF. It could be that the Rii mini probably doesn't support all keys that a full keyboard has to offer.

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I couldn't find the Help key on the Rii.

thorny tree
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the mapping is done for US keyboard with 104 keys

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and there is two layout maybe one could permit to use Help evenif if you don't have 104 keys

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on layout US alt, the help key is on key 54

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amber hemlock
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I have a Rii German layout though.

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Will check later

thorny tree
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sorry there is just US layout and JP Layout ...

eager yacht
icy shuttle
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ahh right

amber hemlock
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There must be a way to get the virtual keyboard stick on top, no matter what the game does.

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Anybody tried Salamander? I get to missing sprites ingames. Wonder if it's the preinstalled HDF or the core.

icy shuttle
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no, it’s no good on the core

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it’s a z-layer issue

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the background is in front of the sprites

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Nemesis has the same issue

amber hemlock
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Good to know.

icy shuttle
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something else too

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doesn’t boot on d88s either

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err doesn’t work on d88s I should say

coral swallow
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Oh is the Z layer issues why some of the sprites overlap in River City Ransom and the menu appears over the gameplay of Castlevania ?

icy shuttle
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I dunno if those problems are the same, but yeah - I'm pretty sure the sprites are there in salamander, you just cannot see them because they are behind the background

coral swallow
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I had a great afternoon messing around with various X68k games .

eternal musk
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Lost my bookmark to the X68000 collection that are like the AmigaVision and 0MHz DOS collections. Anyone have the link? 🔗

icy shuttle
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There are a couple of them. We are working on a complete (and maintained) version, but that is still probably a couple of weeks away.

In the meantime, I think https://x68k.us will get you what you need

eternal musk
icy shuttle
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Yeah, we will give folks the heads up

eternal musk
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Cool!

foggy pawn
eternal musk
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Roger that 🫡

icy shuttle
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Posting the website that links to archive feels like a grey area, @foggy pawn . So if you guys would prefer we didn't do that too, I totally understand

foggy pawn
# icy shuttle Posting the website that links to archive feels like a grey area, <@314946127487...

Sorry, I didn’t mean to post that to make you feel called out. Also you’re very kind and understanding of the situation.

Personally I don’t think it’s an issue at all because you’re linking to an external site that has nothing hosted there that can be considered a grey area. We also have no reasonable control over or can be held accountable for what that site links or doesn’t link to either.

icy shuttle
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no no, don't feel called out. I just wanted to clarify because it's always felt pretty grey to me and I don't want to be getting off on a technicality

foggy pawn
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We had this conversation recently in the mod chat and I don’t want to misrepresent @slate timber here but she weighed in that linking to those sites is fine. Just can’t directly link to those files.

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it is a very silly legal world we live in but I hope this just cements the incredible value these games have to people and making them more accessible is a goal that copyright holders should also aspire to.

buoyant bay
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Has saving back to HDF been implemented? I know it hadn't last time I tried the core.

Edit: It has not.

lilac meteor
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DO NOT 🦜 (🏴‍☠️ ? ) software ! Digitally preserve it in carefully named ~~archives ~~ treasure chests instead.

icy shuttle
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You wouldn't download a vampire

lilac meteor
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no siree 😄

thick remnant
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is there a working list for current unstable core? Was really hoping to see marble madness come to life at some point, we dont really have good version on mister on any of the systems it currently runs.

icy shuttle
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Unfortunately, I don't think there is a working version of Marble Madness yet. We were looking for one, but every version we found had graphics corruption :/

thorny tree
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For marble madness there is the atari system 1 core, this version working great

thick remnant
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well i knew indiana jones was on there - i must have not looked the last time at marble madness working

thorny tree
foggy pawn
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I just tested it, game runs perfectly

thick remnant
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damn youre right 😄

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thank you

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got it running - thanks guys

verbal abyss
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Do i just place .HDF files in the X68000 games folder?

icy shuttle
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yep

heady kayak
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finally got a mt32 pi and have been using it for this core and it's great. i've noticed some games makes you explicitly chose your sound output at bootup. for games that don't, is there a keyboard command to make this selection? or if a menu choice doesn't pop up, the game doesn't support the mt32?

icy shuttle
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there are a couple of games that need you to hold the "登" key on the virtual keyboard during boot to use midi

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atomic robo kid you hold f1 during boot

heady kayak
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oh shit i didn't even know you could bring up a virtual keyboard

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so would you say most games midi isn't supported?

icy shuttle
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I’ll be honest, im not sure. There was a thread on the forums where folks were discovering supported games. So there may be some we haven’t seen

heady kayak
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all right i'll go down that rabbit hole. thanks for the info!

verbal abyss
icy shuttle
# verbal abyss Hmm what tink settings do you use with this? My screen is flickering like mad 
forced_scandoubler=0
vga_scaler=1
direct_video=0

[video=256x240]
vscale_mode=1
video_mode=256,240,60

[video=256x256]
vscale_mode=1
video_mode=256,256,60

[video=256x512]
vscale_mode=1
video_mode=256,512,60

[video=512x240]
vscale_mode=1
video_mode=512,240,60

[video=512x256]
vscale_mode=1
video_mode=512,256,60

[video=512x512]
vscale_mode=1
video_mode=512,512,60

[video=640x480]
vscale_mode=1
video_mode=640,480,60

[video=768x512]
vscale_mode=1
video_mode=768,512,60

[video=1024x1024]
vscale_mode=1
video_mode=1024,1024,60
``` Taken from https://consolemods.org/wiki/AV:RetroTINK-4K/System_Specific_Settings#MiSTer (but I added a resolution for dracula)
ConsoleMods Wiki
System Specific Settings

The System-Specific Settings page is all about highlighting how you can use the RetroTINK-4K's various features to improve the experience of using your video game systems beyond just plugging them in. This can range from setting 1:1 pixel aspect ratio for Super Game Boy on the SNES, to dovetailing with the Sharpscale Plugin on the PlayStation TV...

verbal abyss
alpine orchid
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So I noticed that Phalanx gives an error on the new pack. I have working D88's (at least I get the Zoom logo animating rather than the "Error reading disk, please reset" ) - I'm not sure I have the patience to wait for the game to load via floppy emulation... is there a straightforward way to apply my D88s to the HDF?

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oh, never mind. If you hold f8 at boot and select the !Intro.bat you can get at least that far

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OK, if I follow the instructions in the HDF for !Intro and put my D88 System and Data discs in, I do get to the game menu

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I'll keep investigating

icy shuttle
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making HDFs is a pain. I will have to look if Phalanx is in the upcoming pack - that one is kind of a pain because it's got a disk just for the intro

river mango
icy shuttle
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ahh yeah, on our testing sheet it says that phalanx's graphics are corrupt - it may not be compatible with the core.

icy shuttle
river mango
alpine orchid
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also, anyone know how to get a western keyboard to generate the backslash?

icy shuttle
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if you hold right mouse button, you can bring up an on screen keyboard (some games disable this, unfortunately)

alpine orchid
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ooo

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the music is lovely BTW, and it's only a little sprite corruption 🙂

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with a real mouse, rmb does indeed bring up the keyboard - one of the few cores that doesn't use DS4 touchpad as mouse tho

icy shuttle
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Yeah. A lot of the games will boot and sound great, but the sprite corruption makes them unplayable

alpine orchid
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I had the same sprite corruption with my floppies so it's nothing to do with the hdf, so that's good

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this is really good and the speed difference makes the HDF so much more user friendly

icy shuttle
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Yeah, I think there are still d88s that haven't been converted to hdf yet - but there are a lot of games we still need to test

alpine orchid
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I almost wish Akumajou Dracula took longer to load but at least you can still listen to the loading music after it has loaded

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Pizza Busters is ridiculous

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Pinball Pinball, I can't find the right flipper key

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doesn't seem to work with other input

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virtual keyboard is disabled too

icy shuttle
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not the left button on the dpad?

alpine orchid
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doesn't seem to be

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I have a TKL keyboard, could be the problem?

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also, something is up with Populous' mouse input - I can't seem to raise/lower land

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that said, I have no mana

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oh, it's in pause

thorny tree
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All old japanese computer need keyboard with numpad

river mango
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You should just release the pack tomorrow @icy shuttle so I can make a vid 🤣 slow week for me and I have time

icy shuttle
river mango
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But I’m bored lol (obv just kidding)

fierce sequoia
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Today i installed the package from the Pixel Cherry Ninja Tutorial.
Core is the latest X68000 but if i choose the x68000 from Computer i
only get black screen :/ Seems frozen cause i can not go back to Mister menu

icy shuttle
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can you bring the mister OSD up?

fierce sequoia
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nope ... screen truns black and stays black..... ahm maybe a dumb noob question but are there additional files needed inside the gamefolder ?
Currently there are the

-Games
-boot0
-boot.vhd or something like...
-blankdisk

thorny tree
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maybe the rbf is not correctly downloaded on your mister

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if it is freeze like that

fierce sequoia
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the rbf is the same as in the video from Pixel Cherry Ninja

thorny tree
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or you screen is out of sync

icy shuttle
fierce sequoia
icy shuttle
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Load it up

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On your controller, hit the button you use to open the mister OSD

thorny tree
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try vsync_adjust=2 on your mister.ini

icy shuttle
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press right once, then up twice, then whatever button you use to select

fierce sequoia
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as soon as i start the X68000 i cant Bring Up the Mister menu again

icy shuttle
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no I know

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but I wonder if it's there

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and your screen doesn't support the core's resolution

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68k has weird resolutions

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castlevania is like 256x512

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(not 512x256)

fierce sequoia
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I ve had the Same issue on S-TV but there ive just copied the Rbf in the wrong folder thats why i asked If some files missing ...maybe

thorny tree
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You could opened the OSD if nothing is on X68000 directory

icy shuttle
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if you can't bring the OSD up then either mister main has crashed or your display doesn't support the resolution/refresh rate

fierce sequoia
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thats strange cause any other system works propper

icy shuttle
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Well like I said, we should test to see which it is

fierce sequoia
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yes of course i'll test again and let you know

icy shuttle
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yup yup. if main is crashing, then it's something else. but if it's the screen, we can futz with the ini and see if we can't get it working

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either way, we just need to know which way to head

tawdry creek
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@fierce sequoia it might help to say what your MiSTer is outputting to

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What type of screen? What video output? What output resolution? That kind of thing

fierce sequoia
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Ok so here we are ... still not working...
I downloaded the latest rbf... lemony fresh from github....
My X68000 Folder do look like this....

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Run the X68000 silence black screen ... nothing...
The proof that its frozen is that i hit the Mister OSD Button and it doesent appear...
On any other core i did something wrong i was able to bring back the OSD ... SO
somethings missing int the folder ? Wrong structure ?

icy shuttle
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how big is the rbf file?

icy shuttle
fierce sequoia
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3.5mb

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but the resolution of the mister is different to the core... thats why you cen set a seperate res to the Mister OSD

icy shuttle
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if the horizontal resolution is too low, the menu won’t render (for instance, if I use the akumajou resolution right off of the core (256x512) the menu cannot render because it’s too narrow

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Did you try those steps I mentioned yesterday?

  • load the core
  • press the menu button
  • press right
  • press up twice
  • press the ok button
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if that reboots you back to the menu core, then mister main is still running, it just isn’t working with your display

fierce sequoia
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ok that menu right up up works 🙂
The thing is that at least the loading screen of the sharp dont appear...:
I can hear a small click and that all.. so yes its not frozen and i can do the "blind"reset

icy shuttle
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so yeah, the core is running, but your screen can’t display it. What is your mister hooked into?

fierce sequoia
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is there another "bios" file needed ?

icy shuttle
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no, it’s running fine - your display just can’t display it. we can tweak that, but we need to know what you’re plugged into

fierce sequoia
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ok im running my mister via HDMI in a HDMI - Audio Splitter and then Audio via jack into my amp and the HDMI into my Acer Monitor

icy shuttle
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can you go straight from the mister into your monitor? Just temporarily - I just don’t want the other stuff in the chain to be a factor (it shouldn’t be, but better safe than sorry)

fierce sequoia
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sure

icy shuttle
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same result?

fierce sequoia
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second need to change cable chaos here 😄

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yeash same issue

icy shuttle
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ok, leave that plugged in like that

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can you post your mister.ini

fierce sequoia
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there are lots of innis 🙂

icy shuttle
thorny tree
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I wonder if it is not linked to space at the biginning of each lines at the end of the configuration.

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icy shuttle
fierce sequoia
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loading up ..

icy shuttle
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🤞

thorny tree
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👍

icy shuttle
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hopefully we didn't blow up their mister...

fierce sequoia
icy shuttle
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we done it

fierce sequoia
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its mega full screen

icy shuttle
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yeah, that's because I commented out the video mode

thorny tree
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already stage 24 you are a good speedrunner 🤣

icy shuttle
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I just wanted to see if we could get a picture

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Theme of Simon Belmondo

fierce sequoia
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oo

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im OP world record lol

icy shuttle
fierce sequoia
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OK sec

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OK Same issue again black Screen no loading etc

icy shuttle
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yeah, so it's the video mode, sec.

What monitor do you have?

fierce sequoia
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Acer but cant read model cause Power cable is in Front of it 😜

fierce sequoia
icy shuttle
fierce sequoia
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nope 😄 blackscreen

icy shuttle
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yeah, your screen doesn't like the 256x512 res

fierce sequoia
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ok so does this tweaked ini may cause an trouble with all my other working cores ?

icy shuttle
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go back to the one with the full screen dracula. and then we need a modeline expert to cook up a custom modeline for screen so it can interpret that without blowing it up

pine kindle
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Great work @icy shuttle troubleshooting 101

icy shuttle
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broken clock is right twice a day

foggy pawn
icy shuttle
lilac meteor
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Fun stuff: while messing with Minix to see if I can get it running on X68000, found out that partitioned SASI HDFs are working without any issues (not that I expected some and ofc, partitioning a 40 megs drive is not much useful today lol other than these fringe experiments)

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grand mulch
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oh wow, did i miss the window or something?

icy shuttle
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nope. window hasn't opened yet

grand mulch
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oh thank goodness

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i thought somehow the lawyers descended on it

icy shuttle
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not sure sharp lawyers even know what an x68000 is 🙂

grand mulch
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sometimes there’s just a random japanese Zaibatsu with its legal team on standby

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that isn’t nintendo

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anyway, all is cool

river mango
eternal musk
eager yacht
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check again in a few hours X68000

grand mulch
ornate valve
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😈

icy shuttle
foggy pawn
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Check again

icy shuttle
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it’s still uploading but will be done soon

foggy pawn
icy shuttle
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Sir, I know a guy who knows a guy

verbal abyss
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Awesome....looking forward to this...will I need to delete the old pack or will it just get overwritten?

foggy pawn
eager yacht
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it is liveeeee

foggy pawn
eager yacht
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get some spare neon bulbs ready

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I was worried that something got borked with the upload overnight at first, but just confirmed we’re all set ✅

icy shuttle
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I think there are only a couple of new things in there. If folks have requests for games, we'd love to hear them. I don't think we are going to do an adult pack, so you're on your own (you sickos)

eager yacht
icy shuttle
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I can finally delete all these test builds and run the pack as God intended

eager yacht
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Just an FYI, we mostly tested this pack with the latest stable core, but there are some issues here and there that are fixed by using the latest unstable build, so if you’re comfortable using that I’d say use that

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I know there are at least a few games that need the new keyboard layout options just so you have the right keys available to start the game

icy shuttle
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and nemesis 90's midi sound works in the unstable

tawdry creek
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What's different about the external scaler vs MiSTer scaler versions?

eager yacht
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@tawdry creek there are a couple core specific settings that are different when using an external scaler that can’t be set in the MiSTer.ini, so that pack has all those games preconfigured. Since we use setnames, it was needed

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I believe the core has to be set to “Full Screen” instead of “Original” for the scalers (or something like that)

verbal abyss
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I am being especially thick. But where's the link?

tawdry creek
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With my MiSter setup I've got it outputting to an iPad screen, and a 32" 4K monitor. Only the 32" monitor is going via the RT4K. Sounds like it'll be fine, but just stretched out a bit on my iPad screen (which is fine by me, that's not there for accuracy)

tawdry creek
verbal abyss
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🙏

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So there is a separate setup included for using with tink?

tawdry creek
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Yes

verbal abyss
wheat lion
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fantastic, are more games going to be added when they work on the core? eg salamander

amber hemlock
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Nice work. Thanks to everyone who contributed to this pack. Looking forward to test it later.

trail cypress
# icy shuttle I think there are only a couple of new things in there. If folks have requests f...

I'm sure I'm in the minority here, but would love to see Adult packs for all the consoles and pc's. What is adult/taboo changes over time. Regardless, it's all games. If I had the time or know how I'd offer to help, but for many of these computers, I'm a newb. I played through Leisure Suite Larry for the first time last year, quite tame now, but I remember it being considered Risque back in the day.

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Just voicing some support for it. Fine being labeled a sicko ;-). Also, not in any discounting all the work done. Thanks for all you have done, sincerly!

icy shuttle
eager yacht
icy shuttle
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we think we got all the big ones though

trail cypress
amber hemlock
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Mmh, strange. Most games halt at the Human68k DOS screen and don't boot further.

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Which core version you use exactly for this pack?

icy shuttle
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how far does it get in the human68k screen?

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does it start loading a game, or does it show like 3 lines and sit

amber hemlock
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Shows the 3 lines with X68000 terminal V1.0 at the end.

icy shuttle
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yeah, that means it either isn't loading the hdf or it can't write to it. You kept all the paths the same, yeah?

amber hemlock
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Yep. Maybe it's confused with my old X68000 setup. I don't know. Will have to look into it.

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Dracula X works fine

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I have an external SSD. Maybe that's the problem

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Yeah, it's the external SSD, just unplugged it. So, i have to copy the games again.

icy shuttle
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ahh ok - made me nervous there for a second 🙂

amber hemlock
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Same happend for me with the DOS 0 MHz collection. Copying the "media" folder to "games/x68000" of the SSD should do the trick.

eager yacht
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Yes, there is a note about that at least on the main archive page (and hopefully in the readme as well) that you want to move the resulting games folder over to your external storage if that’s where your games are stored

tawdry creek
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I store my games on my NAS and just did a quick test (Nemesis 90) and its looking good 🫶 Used the External scaler version of the games and it looks fine on my iPad screen. Haven't had a chance to try it out yet with the RT4K

trail cypress
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@icy shuttle @eager yacht According to the readme.txt, once expanded, all games should have "/games/,/_Computer/,/config/" folders. If I expand the external scaler folder I see this for all games. However, when games in the MiSTer scaler folder are expanded, almost all of them are missing the 'config' folder. Is this to be expected?

icy shuttle
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that's correct. the scaler folder has to have a config for each game because scalers require some changes to the core config. Only a couple of games in the normal folder had to have config changes

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We found a couple of games would boot more reliably with the turbo CPU, so we enabled it for those games

eager yacht
tawdry creek
amber hemlock
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How do i select the mouse in Arkanoid II? You can enter the menu option via controller, but then?

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Keyboard is default, but there must be a key for setting joystick or mouse.

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Or maybe the keyboard routine doesn't work properly. You can do anything via keyboard in this menu

icy shuttle
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grandma is the "how do i play this game" whisperer

eager yacht
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@amber hemlock it’s funny this was actually one of the games I tested last night and I noticed that the mouse was working for me in the menu but not in the game

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I can take a look later and see if I can figure it out

amber hemlock
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You can use the mouse to start the game, even navigate with it through the other menu options. But the direction/movement isn't working, because you can't set it to "mouse" in the controller settings.

rancid compass
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is this just another rompack?

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Haven't there been any before? (Just trying to understand the excitement, used the X68000 core just for Cho Ren Sha exclusively before and that worked)

eager yacht
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@rancid compass there have been other packs such as the old X68000 starter pack but the difference with Neon68K is that the hard drive images are paired with MGL’s for one click launching and all of the games have also been thoroughly tested and categorized. They have also been categorized by genre.

Also, some games that required specific settings to run properly (i.e. Turbo CPU) have been preconfigured with those settings. The games also use setnames so that if you wanted to save custon configs per game (i.e. mapping keyboard keys to a controller), you can do so right out of the box.

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also, the intent here is to iterate on this pack as the core improves and as users give more suggestions for games that could be added. Very similar to the idea of 0 MHz and Amigavision

rancid compass
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Thank you. Thus nothing to gain for Cho Ren Sha, I guess. But I am happy that everyone is happy though chefkiss

eager yacht
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The only possible gain for that game is that our pack includes the latest version of that game version 1.10 whereas I’m not sure the old packs had that version

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Cho Rensha is awesome though definitely something I want to put more time into playing

verbal abyss
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Im being dumb, again! I read the instruction in readme. So I Select for example English_Keyboard&Mouse if i extract them it extracts folders for every game, inside of which are copys of /games/
/_Computer/
/config/

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but each title has copys of these folders, so do i copy each individual game folder including the 3 Sub folders or am i supposed to be unzipping and gettind one set of /games/ etc containing all titles which i then merge into my sd card?

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Im on mac if that is causing issues

eager yacht
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you should be unzipping the contents directly to their respective games, _Computer, and config subfolders

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instead of extracting each game zip to a folder that shares the name of the parent folder, just extract the contents directly to wherever you’re extracting them to so in the end you should only have the games, _Computer, and config folders (depending on which packs you extract, you may also see a docs folder)

verbal abyss
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ahh ok i didnt see the github - where the instruction make total sense. sorry about that

eager yacht
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I’ll go back and check that readme and update the other readme so it’s more consistent

amber hemlock
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Vertical scrolling games with a 512x v resolution scales awfully via Retrotink 4K. Maybe it's the core, it seems far from being perfect

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Looks like a flimmering horizontally.

eager yacht
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I wonder if that’s a MiSTer.ini setting that needs to be changed 🤔 I don’t know much about the scaler stuff

icy shuttle
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what game are you looking at JB?

amber hemlock
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Cyber Core at the moment

eager yacht
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flimmering might be my new favorite word btw

amber hemlock
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glimmer/flimmer whatever. Looks like a horizontal tearing of some kind.

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but even, like steps

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Typical sign mit scaling issues

eager yacht
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shimmering?

amber hemlock
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Not really

icy shuttle
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seems ok

eager yacht
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ah ok

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I learned something today then

amber hemlock
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Huh, it's far from being ok

eager yacht
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I’m sure you did, but you used the files from the external scaler folder?

amber hemlock
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Of course.

icy shuttle
amber hemlock
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This is so crappy i can see anything. This doesn't prove anything.

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But if i look closely enough i can see the horizontal scaling artefacts in your clip.

icy shuttle
amber hemlock
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Then it's good enough for you. I can't stand this kind of issues.

icy shuttle
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I don’t know what issue you’re seeing. Any aberrations you’re seeing the video are side effects of recording a screen. The horizontal scaling artifacts you think you’re seeing is the profile from the tink

amber hemlock
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Not really. But i will take a look a the mister scaler games pack later.

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If there is a difference

foggy pawn
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Check again

eager yacht
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is it possible that it could be a goofy, turn the MiSTer on/off again, turn the Tink on/off again gremlin issue?

amber hemlock
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Gemini Wing though looks fine.

eager yacht
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interesting

icy shuttle
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I assure you there are no horizontal scaling artifacts. Make sure your INI is set up properly

amber hemlock
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X68000 is very strange when it comes to resolutions.

icy shuttle
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what does the tink say the resolution is when you start the game?

amber hemlock
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Cyber Core?

icy shuttle
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yes

amber hemlock
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Ok, Gemini Wing isn' t fine, it depends on the graphical pattern how strong the scaling issues are. They are there.

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Cybercore is a 256x512 game.

icy shuttle
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i see the issue. we forgot something from the ini. add this: ```[video=256x512]
vscale_mode=1
video_mode=512,1024,60

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you're getting artifacts because the tink is scaling the 720/1080 image

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@eager yacht can you add ```[video=256x512]
vscale_mode=1
video_mode=512,1024,60

amber hemlock
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Putting it in the mister.ini?

icy shuttle
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yeah

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that one isn't in the tink wiki - I had to add it myself

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and we copied the tink wiki

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you can also do [video=256x512] vscale_mode=1 video_mode=256,512,60 which is 1:1 but the mister menu won't render then

eager yacht
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I’ll add it, I just have to find where that lives…I know it’s on the github

icy shuttle
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that's my bad - I forgot about it when we were putting the readme together last night

eager yacht
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ok i’ll add it there to the main readme files

amber hemlock
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Yep, now it's fine. This resolution was really missing in the mister.ini.

icy shuttle
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yeah, sorry about that - i had a note to make sure we added that one and then just forgot

tawdry creek
icy shuttle
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yeah, I think that's on Limi's list of to-dos

eager yacht
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oh that’s pretty cool

verbal abyss
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Yeh i just tried it and it unzipped as should

icy shuttle
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I set up a betterzip workflow for it

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so annoying

eager yacht
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yeah seems like a pretty basic thing to just not have available natively

verbal abyss
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Actually im having problems with the app...it has not unarchived everything...i will delete the post

verbal abyss
grand mulch
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just checking, does the x68000 play nice with direct video to analog?

icy shuttle
grand mulch
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i send my analog output to a scart splitter output1 to my crt, output2 to a retrotink5x

icy shuttle
grand mulch
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i shall guinea pig for you then

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WTF

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where’s Bonanza Bros

tawdry creek
grand mulch
grand mulch
tawdry creek
icy shuttle
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W I D E screen

grand mulch
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found a great solution, just a custom scaling

grand mulch
tawdry creek
grand mulch
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this is fine, if i wanna play x68000 with my setup, i can! no need to change cables just change tink profile settings and done

icy shuttle
trail cypress
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ls

tawdry creek
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pwd

shadow portal
#

First off, this is an awesome pack that I’m looking forward to sinking my teeth into this weekend👍

I have two game requests - Genocide 2 (since 1 is part of the pack), and Lagoon (the much cooler version of the SNES game).

icy shuttle
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Genocide 2 isn’t compatible with the core, unfortunately. I think it is in the major bugs folder

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But now that I say that, I am not sure we shipped the major bugs folder…

foggy pawn
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where da mgls

icy shuttle
eager yacht
shadow portal
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Alright, added in the request on GH! Understood if Gencide 2 is a tall order, but I'll keep my fingers crossed. Thanks!

gleaming flume
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Hey all , i heard that the X68 doesnt run well on a CRT. anyone have experience?

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CRT-TV

grand mulch
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not at all

gleaming flume
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lol

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so... it works through your retrotink?

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oh, i was wondering if there was a way to use the Analog PRo board and send signal out to a CRT with the Saturn cable -> component

eager yacht
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damn shame, seems like it's awesome

shadow portal
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damn

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The OST is awesome on that one

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and if you're into "bump mechanics" RPGs, that's one for the books... or so I hear

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I only ever played through the SNES version, and well... that one doesn't fare as well

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Listen to those bonus tracks at the end of the ost for some peak early 90s neo-hippie Japanese music

eager yacht
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oh, I was talking about Genocide 2, sorry! Haven't tried Lagoon yet

shadow portal
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(track 32 onwards)

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oooh

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hahaha sorry, my bad

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coffee still kicking in

icy shuttle
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oh yeah, genocide 2 is effed - I'm surprised it's not on the spreadsheet

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I swear I played it

eager yacht
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for some reason, the standard arrow keys work in the first menu, but only the numpad arrows work in the controller menu. numpad works fine for both menus, though

icy shuttle
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We missed a game with the release so we will likely add it soon. We are trying to figure out if there is a way we can have folks automatically update the set as we add things to it

amber hemlock
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I don't have a numpad on my Rii mini keyboard. Bad luck..

eager yacht
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ah damn

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yeah, I have one of those too and it doesn't have one...I have a KVM that I use to switch my desktop keyboard over when needed

amber hemlock
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And i can't use the Sharp "Help Key". Only works with a real US layout. Double bad luck!

icy shuttle
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Virtual keyboard work (hold right click)?

amber hemlock
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This mostly doesn't work for the games. It shows up a few seconds and then it's gone.

icy shuttle
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Yeah, it’s the Hail Mary. We couldn’t figure out why it’s seemingly disabled in some games

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Might be a resolution thing

eager yacht
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hmm some games it doesn't work for, but a lot it seemed to work

amber hemlock
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I gave up after 4-5 in a row didn't work.

eager yacht
amber hemlock
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Yep, the february 2025 iirc.

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Help key can't work, maybe with a full non US keyboard. But the mini doesn't have the key.

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A US Rii might work.

eager yacht
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oh right yeah

amber hemlock
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A lot of X68000 games allow you to select the 15KHz mode via the Help key.

tawdry creek
eager yacht
#

Mugen Senshi Valis II is now Neon-ified...somehow we missed that the HDF with the translated version works fine NotLikeThis

amber hemlock
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Would be no big loss, the Valis games are boring anyway.

eager yacht
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I like them alright, but to each their own. This version is not great gameplay-wise, but it's a series people know

shadow portal
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Are the English friendly games generally patched/translated?

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or is it more of a "not that much text in the game to begin with, making it playable even if one doesn't understand JP"?

eager yacht
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the latter. other than Valis II, I'm not sure how many other translations are in there

shadow portal
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Gotcha, perfect 👍

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For what it's worth, just putting it out there that I for one would love to have all the the non-translated versions available, although I understand I'm probably in the minority here, and that it might require extra work on your side. So no pressure at all👍

icy shuttle
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Basically, our strategy was that if you could get to (and understand) gameplay, we put it in the main english folder. We didn't want folks to miss out on good games like Étoile Princesse just because they were in japanese.

icy shuttle
shadow portal
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That sounds like a totally fair strategy

eager yacht
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@shadow portal one of the issues with Valis II was that the non-translated HDFs we had do not boot for some reason

icy shuttle
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it was a memory thing. we haven't yet figured out the incantation to unlock the extra memory some games needed

shadow portal
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Right right, not to mention that the core IS WiP, so that goes with the territory

verbal abyss
#

I couldn't get this to unzip correctly even using terminal. Obviously it's me as noone else having issues. I'll sort it on a window laptop later. Looking forward to testing

keen coral
#

Regarding keyboard mapping, I wonder if this might be useful for programmer type people?
It's a device that converts USB keyboards to actual X68000, but within the Arduino code is the mapping. So someone has already worked out how to map keyboard to normal keyboard.
I use it on my X68000's as I don't have original keyboards and I can use all keys on a USB keyboard -
https://github.com/Guddler/x68Key

GitHub
GitHub - Guddler/x68Key: Keyboard converter firmware for the Sharp ...

Keyboard converter firmware for the Sharp X68000. Contribute to Guddler/x68Key development by creating an account on GitHub.

thorny tree
#

Is there any issue with the current keyboard mapping on the core ?

verbal abyss
#

I honestly dont kno wt eff im doing wrong, but even on a windoze machine with 7zip it still extracts everything to seperate folders cringe

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And there is no right click 7zip option present. Its a clunky old laptop that doesnt belong to me

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But however i try to tackle it with 7zip it just unzips everything to individual game folders...I never had these issues with Amigavision...nevermind Its obviously something super simple im not doing correctly, but its frustrating.

icy shuttle
verbal abyss
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Ok bear with...though I'm pretty sure I enabled that option. Just rebooting the pc

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No extract or extract here options despite me checking them in the settings

rn_image_picker_lib_temp_1b2208a4-c5e4-461c-b42b-c09140e379ab.jpg
icy shuttle
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someone else had that issue when I was googling. Try running 7zip as the administrator

verbal abyss
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Yeh this is run as administrator.

icy shuttle
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weird. winrar has similar options - maybe try installing that?

verbal abyss
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Ok I'll try winrar if not I think I'm going to switch back to my Mac and try again there although
I also followed the terminal command in the GitHub Mac instructions with no joy.

icy shuttle
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I tried to figure out how to export a preset in better zip, but I don't see how. These are the setting I used

Screenshot_2025-04-30_at_6.56.23_AM.png
verbal abyss
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Ooh cool. Hold on just trying winrar.

icy shuttle
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that lets me select all the archives, extract them, and then just choose "merge" for everything

verbal abyss
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Ok it's looking good for winrar

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Lemme see what's what.
But I will set up betterzip with your settings too jic or for future reference. Less time spent in this windows laptop the better tbh it's nearly been launched out the window lol.

eager yacht
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huh, that’s weird, you weren’t getting the “extract here” option in the 7-zip context menu

verbal abyss
verbal abyss
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Ok so all copies to SD card and present. Do I need to update the core? I chose a game from the categorised menu and just got a black screen.
I have unstable 25.03.25 in unstable menu and 24.05.24 in computer menu

deft willow
#

So.....who wants to make a downloader script for that, like 0MHz ;p

verbal abyss
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Seems to be working 👌
Gotta go back to work now but will be going thru the shooters later

Thanks

keen coral
thorny tree
icy shuttle
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Yeah, it’s figuring out which keyboard you need

eager yacht
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only the unstable core gives the option to change keyboard layouts at the moment, though

thorny tree
#

yes it is not released yet !

grand mulch
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I find it delightfully unhinged that my set up shouldn’t work, but does

icy shuttle
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I haven’t fucked with dv on the x68k in a while. I wonder what the issue is

grand mulch
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Tower of Druaga video didn’t want to appear but again this is a very hackey solution I’m using so not too much of a shock.

icy shuttle
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That may be a 24khz game (21? I dunno, there is one in the middle of 15 and 31)

amber hemlock
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Works fine on my OLED. Strange resolution and refresh rate: 224x560@52,9Hz.

thorny tree
#

yes plenty

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If you try Syvalyon you will be amazed on the atrac mode the resolution changed every minutes

grand mulch
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Direct output isn’t actually supported on this core or if it is support is broken

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so i’m not surprised it’s particular output is giving my scaler a hard time

amber hemlock
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Terra Cresta: Another strange one: 224x496. It needs an entry for this resolution in the mister.ini. Scaling is wrong without.

icy shuttle
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Ok, I would do like 448x992

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As soon as I’m in front of my pc, I can post it. We should add it to the wiki

amber hemlock
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Yep, i tested it. Works fine.

icy shuttle
#

Sorry for missing that one. I thought we got all the eccentric resolutions - and I wasnt testing them all on my tink

amber hemlock
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Prince of Persia is funny too. Strong dithering in a 768x512 resolution.

icy shuttle
#

I’m off today so I can look at both of those after lunch

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Thanks for checking these, Jack

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I’ll make sure I check on the tink next time

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Going forward, I should say

amber hemlock
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PoP is fine, i just meant the high resolution ingame

icy shuttle
#

I dunno if that game just isn’t optimized, or if the core is having trouble with it, but it felt like it was right on the edge of what was playable

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And only with turbo on

amber hemlock
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Second button seems like pause. Very annoying. The game is playable with just one button and joypad up.

icy shuttle
#

Yes. That 2nd button pause threw me for a loop. We had that game in the “not working” column for a bit until Grandma checked it

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I was like “I dunno, it keeps freezing on me”

amber hemlock
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Thought the same for a moment. Hehe

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It good that you can configure the joypad controls per game. Makes sense. Some games change the layout for e.g. shooting and jumping.

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Pac-Land. Another one for the mister.ini: 304x448

icy shuttle
#

ahh good one, I'll add it - I don't think we looked much at the minor bugs one

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try 1:1 and let me know if the menu shows up

vscale_mode=1
video_mode=304,448,60```
amber hemlock
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It works fine, but doesn't fill the full screen. Also tried 608x896, the same

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Ah, put in the wrong section. It works fullscreen.

icy shuttle
#

thats the vscale - it’s just doing pure integer scaling (which gets rid of those scaling artifacts). So if it can’t get a whole number scale factor to fill the screen, it will use the closest one it can

icy shuttle
amber hemlock
#

What menu, it don't see any? Just a green glitch at the start. Then the title screen where you start the game.

icy shuttle
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No, I mean the mister menu

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for instance, if you use the 256x512 modeline, the menu doesn't render (that's why I made it 512x1024(

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the menu is there you just cannot see it

amber hemlock
#

Mister menu is fine in 304,448

icy shuttle
#

perfect, thanks duder

amber hemlock
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But i'm always using the 4K Tink, never tried the pack with the plain Mister scaler.

icy shuttle
#

no that's fine - those settings are for the tink anyway

true flame
#

I have enjoyed me some X68000 lately. So many great games to try out!

young horizon
#

Is a pre-made Neo68K pack available somewhere?

grand mulch
#

bruh

tawdry creek
icy shuttle
foggy pawn
#

Ok so where are the MGLs in the pack

icy shuttle
amber hemlock
#

In the _Computer/X68000 Games subfolder of every game.

foggy pawn
icy shuttle
foggy pawn
#

I actually wasn’t lol. Sorry

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I couldn’t find it when I first opened it

amber hemlock
#

Is he? Shame of you. Bad, Bad, Robby! What a nasty boy you are.

true flame
icy shuttle
#

If you happen to know how to write scripts and want to optimize that, I know the author would appreciate that

thorny tree
#

Thank you 👍

eternal musk
amber hemlock
#

Here's are more games for the mister.ini (for better scaling via RT4k): Xevious 456x512, Mahou Daisakusen: 248x512

tawdry creek
icy shuttle
deft willow
#

@amber hemlock do you have to add ini settings for each individual game for specific res? Haven't started messing with Neon yet

deft willow
#

love it.

verbal abyss
icy shuttle
verbal abyss
#

I found some of the older models on eBay Japan sellers but they almost £600 plus shipping and customs 😂 that's a lot of moolah for what is essentially a mini emulation console...albeit a dead sexy bit of kit

icy shuttle
#

yep, I was very close to buying one, but @river mango talked me out of it. The new ones are easier to deal with, apparently

river mango
icy shuttle
#

the XVI has a spot for an ITX motherboard too, so might be able to do a x68k + llama build

icy shuttle
foggy pawn
#

You can’t stop @icy shuttle

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He will buy it

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And actually give a really level headed review and nice impressions

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Dude is the only person I know outside of YouTube and professional reviewers to do that

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good job man

icy shuttle
ocean raven
#

@grand mulch i was told you had a way to get this core working on a CRT monitor? That true?

grand mulch
#

wait what

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i’m using analog video out with my direct video mister

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but it’s not displaying on a 15khz tube

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and it only displays on my 4k because my tink5x can stretch the video out

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ah, i understand the misunderstanding

icy shuttle
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No, I misunderstood

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Sorry!

ocean raven
#

Ohhhhh ok

verbal abyss
ocean raven
#

So 15hz monitors are still incompatible?

deft willow
#

Not just for X68000, is there a "complete" list somewhere of all the weird resolutions that should be added to ini for a Tink user?

tawdry creek
icy shuttle
#

So the tink wiki has some (but their x68k list isn't as complete as this one)

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ah, dave beat me to it

tawdry creek
#

It's a wiki so we should be able to get it updated right?

icy shuttle
#

I pinged moro about it

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he seemed......uninterested

tawdry creek
#

Oh, sad trombone

icy shuttle
#

when grandma starts working on the 0mhz collection, we will likely grab additional resolutions there as well

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it was weird because 256x512 is a pretty common x68k resolution

ocean raven
icy shuttle
#

¯_(ツ)_/¯

ocean raven
#

Iirc he's less of a MiSTer person than a tink/real hw person tho

icy shuttle
#

yeah, both the tink guys and the morph guys are seemingly more annoyed by mister stuff. i get it - DV is such a weird spec

ocean raven
#

Yeah, and stuff like x68k ups the weirdness a lot

deft willow
#

Thanks Dave

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Go team

deft willow
#

Maybe I should rephrase, is the 0Mhz collection not complete as is?

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I figured it was just the x86 stuff out and down and then other projects would have diff names, like Neon

amber hemlock
icy shuttle
icy shuttle
amber hemlock
#

Probably.

deft willow
#

Gotcha

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I know there's a buuuuuuttload of other games ppl have added outside of 0MHz project page on IA

icy shuttle
#

yep, the hope is to treat it more like amigavisiona and neon68k with more regular updates

deft willow
#

Do you think it will ever have a fancy menu you load into like Amiga Vision, or does it just not work the same way (or worth the effort)

icy shuttle
#

something I have found is that there are folks who much prefer the individual format, rather than having a large hard drive image to download (which isn't even possible on the x68k core at the moment).

part of the reason we wanted to do an update script was because it gives folks the best of both worlds. Automation if you don't want to fiddle with the install (and just want everything) and the ability to pick and choose if you'd prefer to not have everything

amber hemlock
#

But we need more fixes for the core. I hope somebody will pick up on Puu-Sans work. I doesn't seem he will actively work on it in a forseeable time.

icy shuttle
#

that was one of our hopes with this set - get folks interested and, in turn, hopefully get a dev interested

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because the system is so cool and so few people outside of japan know about it

deft willow
#

Makes perfect sense

ocean raven
#

Yeah, its a nice way to dip your toes in without all the setup/overhead

foggy pawn
#

So is this collection good. Should I do it.

#

Also as a casual, should I avoid the JP folder?

icy shuttle
foggy pawn
icy shuttle
#

only if you have an external scaler

foggy pawn
#

Ok

#

Is there a JesusFish list of his favorite top 10 games

icy shuttle
#

I'd have to think about that. Cho Ren Sha 68k is definitely on there. Akumajou Dracula of course. Is there a better game that Ah! Ohime-sama? probably not. Mad Stalker is real good too, but I think that's on other systems as well, so I dunno if that is the best version.

There are a lot of great arcade games too - but we have arcade cores for most of them.

The Jotei Senki games are Mugen before Mugen

ocean raven
#

The Bosconian port is really good

eager yacht
# foggy pawn does every game have its own config?

doesn’t come with one (except for the 4k scaler games and games that have Turbo enabled by default), but if you save any settings with a game loaded it saves a specific config for that game/setname

dry kayak
#

is anyone able to save thier progress on Neon68k

#

i just got to level 5 on Akumajou Dracula and went to reset and my progress is gone

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it never did that to me on the old setup

deft willow
#

Ouch

icy shuttle
#

It’s using the same HDF as the other packs (because they use alchemy to boot it). So something else must be afoot

dry kayak
#

do you guys have pre saved files on your akumajou dracula HDF?

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cause mine had 3 saved already and i deleted them , made a new one, and now my save is gone and those are back

icy shuttle
#

Weird. And yeah, mine do too

dry kayak
#

bleh, gonna load up my old rom set

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that stinks

dry kayak
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well.. its still there

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... that's strange

true flame
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But yes, it did save after that.

dry kayak
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Ughhhhh

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Thanks for testing it man!

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I’ll do that

eternal tendon
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Even without midi, the music quality seems very good in general on the X68000

fallen mica
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Internal sound is better than any outboard MIDI pretty much all of the time

icy shuttle
foggy pawn
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I didn’t have audio when I played Castlevania. Need to delete my config to see whys that.

dry kayak
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Whats the best option for an mt32 -pi any suggestions?

icy shuttle
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Are you in the US?

dry kayak
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Canada

icy shuttle
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well I dunno what import shit looks like there, but if you want one with no fuss, just grab a Pi 3A and the hat from either Pork (ships from Idaho), or Legacy Pixels (ships from Ohio).

If you have access to a 3d printer, you can get a little more fancy and grab this hat (shipped from Portugal - out of stock at the moment but they usually restock quickly, in my experience). You’ll need a pi zero 2w (the one with the headers soldered on) for that. Then there are a variety of good cases you can print (which I’ll dig up if you go that route.)

Finally, if you want to pay a premium, my absolute favorite is the mt32-pi Lite from Ricardo. There are a bunch of caveats with that (depending on what case you’re using). But if everything lines up, it’s the slickest looking one.

dry kayak
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Lol

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But worse now obv

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So pi 3a

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Kk ill look into this further

eternal musk
icy shuttle
eternal musk
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The Mister Pi Acrylic case

icy shuttle
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yup, it will work, but you need to either loosen the top, or sand it down a bit because the lite sits a little higher on the case

eternal musk
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I see, thanks for the heads up! 😄

icy shuttle
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I will steal @polar silo's image:

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which reminds me, I need to print a shim and see if that helps...

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it's hard to see but they just cut the acrylic out

polar silo
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I did shim it but wanted to make a shim layer sort to speak

icy shuttle
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oh did you end up printing one?

polar silo
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Nope

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Lol

icy shuttle
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i think taki's case has a step file. If so, I will see if I can make one...

polar silo
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Just needed a tiny bit more height to clear and my kit had 2 sets of mounting

icy shuttle
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oh you just used the nuts? that's a good idea too

polar silo
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And there were 3 different heights of those spacers

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So I used the medium one which gave the case just enough height to clear it

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And then yea used nuts on the top

icy shuttle
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how does it look from the side? is it obviously not sitting flush?

polar silo
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The only downside is the sides do rattle because of the loose fit

polar silo
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Because of the gap the sides are loose... Not high enough for them to fall out though

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A printed spacer probably would be the better solution

icy shuttle
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@polar silo I need to dry out some transparent PETG but if you have a printer and want to try

📎 Shim.stl
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wait, I'm a fool, don't use that

buoyant bay
icy shuttle
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it supports saving

thorny tree
buoyant bay
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Seriously? Is it recent? I've been trying to get this working for months and have even had discussions in this channel with others who were on the same page.

icy shuttle
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what game are you trying to save?

thorny tree
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the hdf you used how it is generated ? normally Akumajou is on floppies
You can install it on the HDF adn patch the exe to make it save ?

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but if the HDF is emulated the floppies with application the save may not work (never tried it)

buoyant bay
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I got it in a pack, and it's akumajou dracula

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Trying again presently but running update all first

icy shuttle
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you have to make sure you die and get to the save screen

buoyant bay
true flame
buoyant bay
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Thanks for the help.

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Well, I'll be. There it is.

lilac meteor
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An explanation would be that a lot of games were made arcade-like, to be completed in one sitting

buoyant bay
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Haha with the difficulty on that game it's a tall order. I'm pretty decent at it but it can be punishing (Tower of Dolls).

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I gave up trying to beat it pretty quickly when I got the impression that it wouldn't save

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But yeah that makes sense

true flame
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Basically, you're not living up to Konami's expectations. marioohno

icy shuttle
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they should have made a baby version for westerners

buoyant bay
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Ahh, he knew. He even said so in an interview after the fact about how many people wrote to them saying they couldn't get past the third level or some such.

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But yeah, it's my first real foray into Castlevania so I do need to git gud

icy shuttle
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I hope you have an mt32-pi set up

buoyant bay
true flame
icy shuttle
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is the arranged version easier?

true flame
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It is.

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I forget exactly what all the differences are. But if I remember correctly, you have more control over your jumps, and maybe some tweaks to damage knockback as well.

icy shuttle
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that almost feels like cheating

true flame
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Looked it up, and there were actually difficulty options in arranged mode, and there is no knockback at all when taking damage (regardless of difficulty).

icy shuttle
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definitely cheating

true flame
icy shuttle
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Props to @grave jacinth for adding x68k to SAM. It's not working in the normal list at the moment, but you can activate it with MiSTer_SAM_on.sh x68k

icy shuttle
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Just to follow up on this^^, once you run that command, it will work in the normal list

ocean raven
icy shuttle
amber hemlock
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Most games are running in 31KHz default anyway.

ocean raven
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Welp, guess it's hdmi for the time being

amber hemlock
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Plain 15KHz TVs/monitors will always be problematic. Most (if not all) games start in 31KHz resolutions. You can change some of them later ingame to 15KHz lowres resolutions. Some can be forced to 15KHz mode while pressing the Sharp X68000 "Help" key at the game boot. So, it makes sense to have a multisync capable display.

amber hemlock
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Another problem with Sharp games in 15KHz and 60Hz capable CRT TVs: Even if the games are in lowres, the refresh rate is beyond 60Hz, 60.5Hz-61.5Hz is what i see often enough. Probably out of range for most simple consumer TVs. The core allows to switch to "60fps", which means a 59.9Hz output, but the CRT output is still black while the game sound is playing.

amber hemlock
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Ah, you have to disable/ set vga_scaler=0, then the 15KHz games are working on my Sony consumer TV!!!

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Of course you can't see the boot sequence with the Sharp DOS, but after the game is loaded you can play it. Try Daimaikamura/Ghouls'n Ghosts.

rotund parrot
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Nice, that’s great to hear. There was a composite video encoder for the Sharp X68000 which made me suspect that consumer CRTs should work, but I’ve only tested with a 15khz PVM

amber hemlock
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The working rate isn't that high. But all Capcom games i've tested so far are fine (Final Fight, Street Fighter II, Daimaikamura).

ocean raven
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Things like this really make me wish we could have more than 3 alt configs

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So why is this such an issue for x68k specifically? Cus ive played plenty of other pc cores on my 15hz monitor without much issue

amber hemlock
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I wonder why only the Capcom games are working fine. I can set other games to lores 15KHz too, but they run only with a black screen and music playing.

icy shuttle
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maybe refresh rate?

amber hemlock
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Not really

icy shuttle
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Oh wait

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at 15khz, isn’t it under the HDMI spec?

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since we aren’t letting the mister scale the image up

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ehh, I suppose you wouldn’t get sound then

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I dunno. computers

amber hemlock
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Using the analog out directly via VGA to Scart RGB cable bypasses HDMI stuff anyway. I don't use a HDMI to VGA adapter.

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The core itself has no issues to play 15KHz lores games with HDMI, just as info.

icy shuttle
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you’re right, i played 15khz games while testing

thorny tree
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I didn't check lately the issues

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but it seems worth to check

icy shuttle
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I did see that - I haven't had a chance to test it

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are we not worried that it's a 1 step forward, 3 steps back situation?

thorny tree
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will do the compile

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We need heavy testing and see if it steps back or not

icy shuttle
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yeah, we have a spreadsheet for compatability, so we can reference that

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would be a huge win if that works

thorny tree
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Salamander and Phalanx the issues are also on Puu-san core

icy shuttle
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yeah, I didn't think there was a build where the issue wasn't present

thorny tree
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Nemesis '94 I don't know what is missing on the current core ...

icy shuttle
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it's like a z ordering issue I think - the sprite is behind the background?

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I can't remember

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Loads into a game fine, but the playfield is black (you still get the hud). is what I wrote

thorny tree
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I have a pastebin with graphical issues of plenty of games so I will check those to see if any are better

thorny tree
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On phalanx the sprites are good but sounds not ok on HDF.
I will check floppies to see if I have the same behaviour

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need plenty of tests 🙂

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Baruusa No Fukushuu is little better

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Marble Madness is great now

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Baraduke is also better but still have issues (left new core, right previous core)

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Calmetry 🙂

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Genocide 2

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thorny tree
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Hellhound (sprites are visible now)

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verbal jolt
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great work!

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love to see progress on x68k ❤️

thorny tree
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@mental pine is the person to thanks 🙂

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Star Fighter

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amber hemlock
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Thanks for compiling the new version. Looks good so far.

eager yacht
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that’s awesome!

spare thunder
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awesome! I saw similar sprite issues in twinbee at a couple sections I noted a while back. I'll check that out again with the core

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thanks for bringing some much-needed improvements to x68k @mental pine!

true flame
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So will this latest build work with the .mgl files that the Neon68K setup uses? Or does something need to be tweaked or renamed for them to boot up this rbf?

eager yacht
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@true flame easiest thing to do is rename this newest build to just X68000

true flame
eager yacht
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have to rename the other or remove it or move it to a different folder

true flame
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Yeah, otherwise it would just overwrite it.

eager yacht
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well no because the date codes would be different, but the mgl might load the wrong one

foggy pawn
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Where’s the newest build?

rotund parrot
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#1351743248850227360 message

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Crap

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Didn’t work like I thought it would

amber hemlock
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It does.

rotund parrot
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Oh good

amber hemlock
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And Robby lost the "Find the core between the pics" game.

rotund parrot
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Haha

foggy pawn
foggy pawn
foggy pawn
amber hemlock
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Here's another one, just to be sure i guess.

oak cradle
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Exiting Hour Jusse Oozumou.hdf always ask for memory, it doesn't seems to work.

eager yacht
icy shuttle
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I think that’s in major bugs?

autumn geyser
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Nice one.

wraith grove
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latest version for the core is this one X68000_dma_and_intcont_changes_20250516.rbf

icy shuttle
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As far as I know, that’s the a test build. We need to figure out if it’s too many steps back

cursive rampart
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does the latest build include the midi fixes?

icy shuttle
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I believe so

thorny tree
eager yacht
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oh does that fix midi on final fight?

icy shuttle
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no

cursive rampart
grand mulch
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so, any updates on the neon project?

icy shuttle
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At some point I am going to look at d88 games. I'd like to do a config for CRTs. I was kind of waiting on whether or not the revert that rebel proposed was going to be merged, but it doesn't seem like it

thorny tree
icy shuttle
amber hemlock
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Any chance that this script could optional read/detect installed Neon68k configs/games on an external drive/SSD? I mean the script downloads everything to the SD card, though i tend to have it on my SSD. I only want to download the updates or new games directly to the SSD path.

icy shuttle
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dave had an idea for that

tawdry creek
amber hemlock
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Yep, it's media/usb0 actually

tawdry creek
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Cool 👍 I've got a solution that works, just doing some polishing

amber hemlock
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Great! Looking forward to test it.

noble anchor
icy shuttle
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@amber hemlock ^^

amber hemlock
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Thanks for the update. The script downloads now to SSD, but ALL games. Even if i select just die Updates.

tawdry creek
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@amber hemlock if you run do updates does it download everything again?

amber hemlock
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Yep, the whole package as it seems. I mostly stop at letter f or something.

tawdry creek
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If you kill it before it completes downloading everything it won't write the file that tracks when it was fully run

amber hemlock
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So, what should i do? Run it once completely and then it works for "Updates only" after that?

tawdry creek
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Yes

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FWIW the script has always downloaded all games first, then done updates after that.

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Now that it can at least install games to a custom path I can probably add a feature for selecting games if that's what people want

amber hemlock
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I'm not after certain games, i just wanted to get the new or corrected games. But i'll run it now completely, then try the "Updates" option again.

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At that point the "Updates" option shouldn't download anything then, right? I mean i'm getting now the most recent package.

tawdry creek
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It should print out messages like this:

Checking for updates
Fetching archive metadata...
Starting sync...
Fetching file list...
Performing incremental sync.................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................
Sync complete.
Done.
amber hemlock
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It shows me exactly this. So, it's working fine. Thanks again, very convenient script.

tawdry creek
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Glad it was just that 😁 you had me second guessing myself

amber hemlock
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Well, i had all games already installed of course. But not via your script. That confused me for a second when it downloaded everything.

tawdry creek
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Yeah, due to various reasons its not easy to look at files that already have been downloaded by some other process to figure out what needs updating/syncing, so for now its a pretty blunt instrument

icy shuttle
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I wonder if adding something at the beggining that says “do you already have neon68k on your machine? (Answering ‘no’ will trigger a full download)” and if they say yes we just set the marker then

tawdry creek
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Yeah, I could do that

icy shuttle
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I can look at it in the morning. You don’t need to shoulder all of it, duder 🙂

tawdry creek
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Its all good. I was about to raise another PR anyhow to tidy/reorder some logic so that it doesn't print the up/down/left/right on the first run or if a full download is triggered

icy shuttle
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added you to the github so you don't have to wait for me :p

tawdry creek
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😄

tawdry creek
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Approved and merged my own PR 😄

icy shuttle
icy shuttle
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Oh no

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No no no no

verbal jolt
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lmao

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for these prices you could get an actual x68k

tawdry creek
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These models also have enough room to add an entire Nano ITX system inside

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Squeeze a MiSTer in there!!!

icy shuttle
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I KNOW!

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A steal!

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tawdry creek
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Looks like an ARM based system

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icy shuttle
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@river mango I need you to talk me out of this

rotund parrot
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Omg. Yeah for $1000 you could probably get a real X68000 system

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It does look tempting though

icy shuttle
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I’d have to re cap it

verbal jolt
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don't understand why it's so expensive tbh

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i imagine it's literally just the branding

tawdry creek
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I just want to see a MiSTer in the expansion bay

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Get this bundle, you deserve it!

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icy shuttle
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That’s what we call a twofer

tawdry creek
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Two X68000s, as a treat

icy shuttle
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It’s for my work

tawdry creek
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Don't forget to claim it as a tax deduction

hearty basin
river mango
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Until it’s tested. Their first unit is still riddled with “wtf why???” weirdness

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Like I’m never taking those things back out of the box

foggy pawn
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Buy a real X68000 instead.

icy shuttle
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I don’t have the skills to recap it

rotund parrot
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https://ebay.us/m/iYFdJa

this seller could probably recap it for you, I recall him having a listing for X68000 repairs at $150.

He sold me my X68000 Compact and I’ve used it every day for over 2 years with no issues yet

eBay
All Day Every Day Retro | eBay Stores

I am a passionate gamer and restoration enthusiast with a deep love for bringing retro electronics and gaming systems back to life.
And I help lead the 16-Bit Heroes team as part of the Extra Life! Charity organization.

Extra Life! brings gamers together for a noble cause, contributing to the collective effort that has raised over $50 million ...

icy shuttle
rotund parrot
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I know I just linked an eBay seller but generally speaking eBay prices for X68000 are absolutely crazy compared to going rates on Yahoo Japan auctions

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Take this for instance

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Fully refurbished XVI for about half of what the eBay seller is asking

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Of course it may go higher than this since it’s a bid but probably not all the way to over $2000

icy shuttle
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yeah, but it's also just the unit. I wonder if zuiki is going to sell the peripherals separately

rotund parrot
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Ah fair

icy shuttle
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the prices of these things is asnine across the board, full stop

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and I also don't need one

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but I wants

rotund parrot
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Yeah it’s true. I had wanted one for years before finally getting one in 2023, and it has indeed hurt my wallet quite a bit

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There was the computer itself, then I needed a mouse and keyboard which were like $300, then an expansion card for midi and ram, then midi modules, and then you need an external audio mixer to mix all the audio together

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And then of course the video output is nonstandard so you need a way to deal with that

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But despite all the pain, I had a lot of fun figuring out how to get the setup to work. And the games are really good so that helps

icy shuttle
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I had a bunch of fun futzing around while we were building neon68k. it was just always such a bummer when a game wouldn't work on the core

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I could just boot the giant scsi image into the windows emulator

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but that feels dirty

rotund parrot
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I hope to help with the X68000 core one day, it would be nice to see a really good core. I’m still kinda bad at HDL programming but I have been practicing on smaller projects

foggy pawn
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Oh wow it’s pricey

rotund parrot
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I’d like to see my hack of Akumajou Dracula running on MiSTer at some point. I’m sure it runs now but it would be pointless

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All it does is make the game render at 15khz

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And since mister x68000 doesn’t support direct video it doesn’t do anything there

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Sorgelig said that the pixel clock would make it difficult to support direct video, and I’m sure he’s right

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I think it can change based on what mode the game picks

icy shuttle
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yeah. same issue as ao486 iirc

elfin slate
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whats wrong with 15khz on the x68000 core?

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it works in most games for me

rotund parrot
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Well the core automatically scales to 800x600 if I recall correctly, I think you can then downscale it

elfin slate
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this is news to me

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looks like real 240p to me

icy shuttle
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no, it's real 240p

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if you use Pu's core, it's 800x600

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but that core isn't built for mister

rotund parrot
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Oh nice, glad to hear that

icy shuttle
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but because it doesn’t use direct video, if you’re pumping it into a scaler, you need to use all sorts of custom video modes to make sure it scales correctly

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otherwise the mister scaler will do it

strange lintel
#

Does anyone know how to boot Daimakaimura to use the MT32? I can't seem to find how to do it.

icy shuttle
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I’m trying to find the doc, but I think you have to hold a specific kanji key on the JPN keyboard

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Oh wait, that one hangs after selecting midi

buoyant bay
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It doesn't have a dedicated MT32 soundtrack does it? I thought you just set it to midi and picked a sound font with fluid synth.

rotund parrot
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Correct, Daimakaimura is GM MIDI. So you’d want an SC-55

buoyant bay
zinc tree
fierce sequoia
# icy shuttle actually try this real quick

Hi Jesus,

just wanna grap this personal topic ...
Has this issue been forwarded regarding for some " special " monitors where
the regular setup dont work ?

Using the Acer XF270HU

icy shuttle
fierce sequoia
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nope... ive just tried these different custom ini you and the guys made in here....
I will add and try it out 👍

icy shuttle
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yeah, we did some tinkering since you were last in here. I’m hopeful one of those works

fierce sequoia
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Great dev work... Feedback comming later this day

icy shuttle
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ha, it is just stuff on the mister side. I wish we had the skill to work on the core 🙂

fierce sequoia
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OK tested it with the additional lines in INI...
Boot of the X68000 goes in fullscreen but than its black again...i can hear the sound of a Game
but cant bring back the OSD...
Need to blind cheat with Menu left Up Up

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Here is my current Ini

icy shuttle
fierce sequoia
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Nope same issue... guess its the monitor cause lots of people playing the X68000 :/ gonna check another monitor

lucid fog
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When I try and use the core, the screen freaks out. I'm using a PAL TV that can do 60Hz (I think) and I'm using the MiSTer HDMI-to-SCART adapter

icy shuttle
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what happens if you change the refresh rate in the audio & video options

lucid fog
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I'm not sure how I can navigate the menu

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What's the inputs needed to navigate the menu since I'm basically blind like this

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I think I have to push right once to go the video menu

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And then I'm lost

icy shuttle
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I can’t look right now, but I can look in a second. In the meantime, try adding this to your mister.ini

direct_video=0
vga_scaler=1
vsync_adjust=1
vscale_mode=1
video_mode=1320,120,160,180,240,5,10,9,27000```
lucid fog
icy shuttle
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Try vsync_adjust 0

lucid fog
lucid fog
icy shuttle
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Ok, video frequency is Menu > Down 10 times > Up 3 Times

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try toggling that

lucid fog
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I'm just toggling between another menu

icy shuttle
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unfortunately, it may be that your tv doesn't support it. the 68k can be weird with non-monitor crts

lucid fog
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Ahh

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Mannn

tropic jacinth
#

is the x68000 version of bubble bobble the best on home consoles? i just played it and it seems really close to the arcade version with the added benefit that i dont have to set up TATE MODE

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it seems like it might be a port of the atari st version but i'm not sure

verbal jolt
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the playstation version is about as arcade-perfect as you can get i think

primal sandal
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Oh, I didn't see this thread in here

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Guess I should follow

sand girder
#

Hi! I have been trying to get the X68000 core working on my MiSTer Pi FPGA (Mega Pack edition) for months and I keep getting a black screen. I am using the most recent core (X68000_20240524.rbf, 3.5 MB), I believe I have all the needed BIOS files in the right place (see screenshot), and I am using the MiSTer.ini file that @icy shuttle posted earlier this year to help another user. I have tried the previous core (68000_20221022.rbf), but the problem is the same. I have attached my Pi on multiple displays and the same problem arises. When I load a game, I get the black screen, but I get the OSD when I press F12. I have no problems with any of the other cores. Any help appreciated. Let me know if there is any other information I can provide. Thanks!

📎 MiSTer.ini X68000_Directory.png
icy shuttle
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what are you plugging into?

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display wise

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if you're seeing the OSD, that leads me to believe it's a bios issue, but the bios looks correct

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Ok, so

  • what kind of display are you plugging into?
  • What are you storing your files on (SD? Hard Drive? Network Share?)
  • Other roms that are stored in the same place work ok?
sand girder
# icy shuttle Ok, so - what kind of display are you plugging into? - What are you storing your...

I’m plugging into an Innoview 15.8” 1080p display. I’ve tried it on my 4K display with my PC and same problem. (I also have a Beetronics 4:3 1024x768 monitor and can try that in the next couple of days.) I’m storing files on SD. All other roms for the other consoles and computers are working ok. I’m wondering if it’s related to the MiSTer Pi hardware at all, so it would be good to hear from anyone who has gotten the X68000 core to work on the MiSTer Pi.

icy shuttle
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I have it working on several mister pi’s 🙂

tawdry creek
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I'm using the core on a MiSTer Pi just fine as well

sand girder
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Great to hear!

icy shuttle
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Gimme a sec and I can share my misterini

sand girder
#

So I am using the mister.ini that you posted a few months ago and worked for another user (though they got a magnified screen iirc). You can see the one I’m using as an attachment in my initial post above.

icy shuttle
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I saw. I was going to suggest trying vscale mode 4