Mister Pi Users

[timber fern]

Try gently pulling the ram up a little bit and see if that helps

[rotund parrot]

yeah unsure if it's just slow-ass Perfect Dark or worse than original N64

also I have no idea how to access the turbo n64 core since that's not in update_all

[upbeat gyro]

I have a Quest 3.... those lenses are sweet but any time I see Blacks I cry

the OLED blacks on the PSVR2 are too nice

[timber fern]

The taller your ram is the better it’ll work I hear

[limber token]

You could do the last modified memtest pinned in N64 channel. But this is more for your own purposes now. We cant do more at this time.

[delicate hazel]

If I was you I'd also just email to rma.

[timber fern]

Yeah email for rma is probably a good idea

[delicate hazel]

There's only so much these tests can do.(they have revealed great information though).

Just got to wait and see on how Taki responds to it

[rotund parrot]

uh I see an n64 channel but nothing pinned about memtest

[delicate hazel]

Do we think that ram being paired to the mister pi would help? I guess it depends on the test they use I think.

[limber token]

if they only go with a pair for batch2, that rma would be a nightmare...

Why should other ram work, they could not pair it?

[upbeat gyro]

I think we should figure out WHY ram needs paired to the fpga board

because that doesn't bode well for changing parts in the future

[neon summit]

#test-builds message

[delicate hazel]

I didn't think of it like that

[limber token]

I think, the cap thing is the best we can try for our own. We need one with bad ram to do it.

[upbeat gyro]

thats turbo core but wheres the 625 memtest

[neon summit]

oh sorry

[limber token]

in n64, but was not pinned ?

[upbeat gyro]

it wasn't

[neon summit]

#1096015979055697940 message this one?

[upbeat gyro]

yesss

[delicate hazel]

If I am successful in getting a bundle in batch 2. I really don't mind helping gathering information, testing whatever I can.

Running them tests and whatnot. As the ram 'should' be paired to the board. See if that makes any difference. (Not just in RE2)

[blissful hill]

You can get the latest memtest mod core here too:

https://github.com/AlmeidaRW/MemTest_MiSTer/releases/tag/0.0.1

[cinder trout]

If someone figures out what caps are needed and what needs to be replaced, I might be down to make the trek out to someone I know who could do that kind of soldering and test for science....that said, I'm sure that's someone here that would beat me to it 😅

I'd have to order the caps needed and wait as well

[rotund parrot]

okay yeah I ran that updated memtest, scaled down to 625, and got errors when both chips were active, or when the top chip was active

which I assume means I'm off to RMA town?

[neon summit]

seems like unfortunately

[limber token]

Yes

[limber token]

I have to look for the picture with the statement from ricardo. The value caps was mentioned there.

I miss some thing, that would make the search much easier. but no channel on this server seems to have it. Normally i can search a channel only for media, not here...

[cinder trout]

think I found it:

[limber token]

Thank you

[cinder trout]

now, my only thing is, I get pretty confused with this stuf...so like, I can search for 100nF, 1uF, etc. but I don't really know which one I'm supposed to be getting

[upbeat gyro]

yeah or where they go

[cinder trout]

was just going to check mouser electronics

[neon summit]

I was going to ask how you identify values but i guess its by height?

[upbeat gyro]

higher the better

[neon summit]

does this mean these are all 10uF on the taki sdram modules?

[limber token]

Misteraddons has a good picture on his side to see the caps

[cinder trout]

right. The person I know can do it, but I gotta give them a diagram or something...they fixed my Composite/S-Video adapter from Misteraddons way back when when I had to replace some caps to get rid of excess rainbowing. Mike S was nice enough to point out to me exactly what needed to be replaced and confirmed that I was buying the right stuff 😅

[limber token]

If it is near to you, show them the picture from mister addons and the values.

https://ultimatemister.com/product/xs-d128/

[cinder trout]

idk there's still a lot that I don't understand fully I guess...like which caps need to be replaced (all of them?)? Do they go in a specific order, etc.

[limber token]

Look for the difference sizes, taki ram has only one size

PCB layout is the same.

[cinder trout]

right

but that's hard to match when I'm looking at a picture and then looking at mouser's product listings

like all the ones on the bottom look to be the same size

errr not on ultimate mister's board, I don't think, but on misteraddons they all look the same on the bottom

like, I search for 100nF capacitor on mouser, I get thousands of results

[limber token]

The guy that does it for you, is that an electronic ?

If yes, lets him to source the parts, that work perhaps better

[cinder trout]

I mean, he's very good at soldering tiny stuff, I just doubt he's gonna be able to look at it and say exactly what's needed...maybe he could but idk

last time I did it, I didn't have him source anything

[limber token]

Ask him better before

[cinder trout]

it's tough too because they're an hour away from me so I wouldn't want to have to go drop off the board first so they can look and then make a second trip to go pick it up lter if I can help it

guess I could mail it

idk we'll see...I'll reach out lol

[limber token]

Send him pictures, and ask before. Not drive if its not clear.

[cinder trout]

right yeah

[analog dagger]

https://misterfpga.org/viewtopic.php?t=2746

someone gives the cap values they were going to try here, see if that matches up with your pic

[loud bramble]

Interesting that the change of capacitors is not visible in https://github.com/MiSTer-devel/Hardware_MiSTer/blob/master/releases/sdram_xsds_3.0.pdf

[upbeat gyro]

This problem is going to end up being pretty widespread

I keep getting more and more of these

[neon summit]

more people contacting support would be good

[cinder trout]

thanks! It's just comparing a picture of that to Taki's the configuration still looks slightly different

[neon summit]

especially as they claim to not have any modules with the issues i'm facing

[cinder trout]

because they already sent them all out to everyone

[neon summit]

i was gonna say lol

[analog dagger]

that was for the 2.9 ram and I think we are at 3.0 now

[cinder trout]

ohh yheah

[rotund parrot]

yes it me

[upbeat gyro]

oh hi

[iron perch]

Why is it so hard for Taki to just publicly say that he is aware of the issue and is working on a resolution?

[limber token]

The laylout is slithly different, but the pins of the chips help. V2.9 to V3.0 is only a small change.

[upbeat gyro]

because switch OLEDs abnd batch 2!@!@!!!

[gusty marsh]

this might be a silly question but: is there a specific reason your case covers up the LEDs

[cinder trout]

eh, I'm sure it's partially just trying to fully understand the issue better so he doesn't have to say "there's an issue, but we aren't 100% sure what it is yet"

[upbeat gyro]

I think people are just looking for that line if thats where we're at

anything at this point..

[cinder trout]

if enough time goes by and nothing gets figured out concretely, then maybe he says "batch 2 seems good and we've confirmed the weirdness is gone, so if you have problems with batch 1, follow steps for replacement", etc.

just a guess

[limber token]

Perhaps its enough to animate for to test the n64 core... Guess the real number is higher as we see now.

[loud bramble]

Should I contact the support even if the games ate running and just the memtest fails? What is your opinion?

[gritty herald]

for aesthetic reasons

[limber token]

No, if all runs fine, i would not suggest that.

[gusty marsh]

you just don't think they look good?

[upbeat gyro]

I don't need more LED's flashing under my TV

lol

[gusty marsh]

i don't think i care about them visually and am trying to convince myself they aren't gonna be relevant informationally lol

[gritty herald]

i think they are ugly

and distracting

[gusty marsh]

gotcha

[loud bramble]

Maybe I will have to make a full playthrough with RE2 or Conker to ensure that it does not make problems later on... 😉

[limber token]

Perhaps he speculate that no one send it back. I have check costs. In germany dhl wants 12€ to china. Not much less to throw it away.

[gusty marsh]

can previous mister owners reassure me i will not regret being unable to see them lol

i was originally just gonna stick to the free batch 1 case but Todd's are nicer and the price is right

[cinder trout]

yeah that’s true too

[loud bramble]

I want to order the case anyway, and I also did not by the USB hub yet, therefore I would have at least shipping costs anyway...

[cinder trout]

having had a MiSTer for years, I can confidently say I don’t sit around looking at the LEDs….that said, there have been times where the lights are useful for troubleshooting or confirming crashes

[gusty marsh]

sorry, i was full of it. i ordered the case while you were typing 😅

[limber token]

Light are more to see if the thing is powerd on or off. 😁

[gusty marsh]

the main thing i had noticed running it au naturale so far was that the yellow light does seem to go off if it's frozen/etc. but i guess i really can take five seconds to unscrew the top if i'm actually having a problem i need to troubleshoot

[cinder trout]

yeah i said “confirming crashes” but i kinda worded that badly…if it crashes you’ll always know…it’s just I remember times where the orange light was solid which I believe confirms that it froze trying to read sdram

[gritty herald]

i thought about designing a usb-c inline switch specifcially for the Taki setup as the available ones are either expensive or poor quality

[cinder trout]

@gritty herald feels to me like people would want that? I think? I think even the barrel jack y splitters are kind of a crapshoot

I know I had a bad one back in the day

[gritty herald]

yeah they are

totally junk

[gentle citrus]

You just want all my moneys now...

[gritty herald]

atleast most are

[cinder trout]

I’m never giving up my d0p3fish power switch

well, unless I ever switch to a Taki MiSTer as my daily driver or something

[neon summit]

yeah, i had one of those on my old mister setup

also found the y splitters to be a crapshoot

[cinder trout]

but I’ll still keep my original MiSTer and the switch

[upbeat gyro]

Sending todd messages on etsy. he's gonna beat me

https://tenor.com/view/monkey-stick-hit-man-getting-gif-25806535

[gusty marsh]

what is the recommended way to do an inline power switch? is the answer just "the options are bad" lol

[upbeat gyro]

smart outlet

lol

[cinder trout]

I feel like the best option is smart outlet

or I’ve used those cheapo plug switches that you just plug into your outlet and then plug your device into that

[gusty marsh]

the problem with the smart outlets is that they have the control in like exactly the wrong place lol

[upbeat gyro]

got a bunch of zwave outlets laying around i use for christmas lights

[cinder trout]

at least I did back when I was using the stock PSU from a de-10

[limber token]

Yes with the barel i used a thing from a cheap led stripe with an handy app to power on and off the mister.

[cinder trout]

d0p3fish also hd a usb-c version of his inline power switch, but unfortunately his store has been closed for some time

[neon summit]

tbh i thought the quality of the connectors used with the dopefish one was a bit lacking but it worked just fine

[gusty marsh]

i don't quite understand what people meant by y-splitters here. what is being split

[cinder trout]

with the taki board its irrelevant

[limber token]

Barrel connectors

[gusty marsh]

ohhh

gotcha

[winged plinth]

Mine fails 48mhz test, passes 96mhz test and in memtest im around 145. Re2 on n64 plays with no issue. I can get into game and die even 😉

[gusty marsh]

is something like this actually specific to a RaspPi in some way or is it really just "here's a USB power switch cable that supports PD" https://www.canakit.com/canakit-usb-c-pd-piswitch-for-raspberry-pi-5.html

[gritty herald]

no

[tight fable]

That's what I use and just turn it on/off with my phone.

[gusty marsh]

...no it's not Pi specific, or no it's not just a USB power switch cable that supports PD 😅

[gritty herald]

not pi specific

[limber token]

I would use such a thing only, if the power brick could only handle power outputs that could not destroy the mister.

[upbeat gyro]

I just tell alexa to turn it on

[gritty herald]

i haven't done counts yet, but so far the Light gray and slate gray cases appear to be selling well. The black, surprisingly, seems unpopular

[gusty marsh]

gotta advertise more to the brazilian crowd

[gritty herald]

lol

[gusty marsh]

i literally did not even consider anything but light gray with purple buttons lol

[gritty herald]

it's a great color combo

[faint dune]

But that B L U E

Todd. If anyone gives you a hard time for putting them on sale early, just say you soft launched in New Zealand first

[gritty herald]

LOL

so far everyone has been cool about it

[iron perch]

I’m using an Eve matter smart plug. Works great with HomeKit and Siri.

[gusty marsh]

yeah see the sum total of "smart" devices in my home are a self-heating mug i used bluetooth on once to set the temperature and a cat fountain that texts me if the water gets low, and i want to keep it as close to that as possible

[faint dune]

The water fountain is key though. My cat has never been happier

[upbeat gyro]

My litter robot used to text me when it was full

but then it broke

[delicate hazel]

I think it's slightly getting a bit beyond a joke now.

[gusty marsh]

i don't need an equivalent for their food bowls because they will handle that messaging themselves

[faint dune]

So the cats “room” is this storage room off of the utility. I never go in there, and I have a very mouthy cat, so I had to spring for the food bowl too

[delicate hazel]

Batch 1 users left in the dark.

Batch 2 users getting paired ram that might not even solve the problem.

[faint dune]

I have no idea if he is like “my bowl is empty!” Or “pet me you bastard” because the meows sound the same

[upbeat gyro]

I tweeted... not expecting a reply

[gusty marsh]

would it be déclassé to actually tag taki in here to request an update?

[wary turret]

I thought he had a discord?

[upbeat gyro]

hes not active there either

[dreamy canopy]

I'm running that memtest mod, what result am I looking for to RMA/not? I don't have N64 stuff setup but will want to later

[wary turret]

Could be a time zone problem as well eg he’s in HK right?

[gusty marsh]

i think at this point we have:

1. a good indicator that the problem is widespread though not universal
2. a reasonably narrow set of things that are potentially involved in the issue (and thus could be tested by someone with access to a large number of units)
3. a fairly strong if not 100% guaranteed set of indicators for identifying the problem that could be used in QA

[upbeat gyro]

625 should pass with no errors is a good start to show if you will have N64 errors

btw 625 is between 62 and 63 lol

[gusty marsh]

which is probably all that is really necessary to get them on the track for addressing it

[dreamy canopy]

So arrow down to 62 and 63 and let it run there? I'm in auto and it's sort of camped at 145 for a few minutes now

[gusty marsh]

yes, arrow down to 63 then once more

it'll show as "625"

[upbeat gyro]

yeah when you go below 63 it will go to 625

which is 62.5

[gusty marsh]

current evidence suggests that passing that is correlated with the N64 core issues

[late rover]

I mean they are addressing it by pairing the rams on batch 2 but that doesn't really help the batch 1 folks.

[cinder trout]

@late rover yeah almost seems like they’d have to give batch 1 folks a new board+ram

[gusty marsh]

yeah though that only actually addresses the issue if we know what test is being used to disqualify them

[upbeat gyro]

the pairing was initially replied to people that were getting max speeds in the 120 range and lower. I know he replied in the N64 thread days ago about pairing in response to these issues but we didn't have the 62.5mhz test then

[cinder trout]

I know some are waiting on more ram, but is there anyone here who has additional taki tam in addition to what came with the mega pack where they tried more than one taki stick in the same primary slot on the same board?

[dreamy canopy]

So I'm in the bad place right lol

[gusty marsh]

yep

[upbeat gyro]

tho if hes going to use jotegos 48mhz test which some thing is irrelevant but so far everyone that passes it also passes 625 and has no issues

then maybe it will be ok

I'm more worried about why ram and boards need to be mated

[neon summit]

yeah it doesn't really make sense does it

[gusty marsh]

@upbeat gyro yes i suspect the net effect of using the 48mhz test would just be fewer acceptable pairs than is even technically necessary

[dreamy canopy]

Would it be bad to just grab another ram (from like MA) for now while I sort out the RMA stuff

[upbeat gyro]

I'm ok with that as an end use

if that is more "stringent"

[gusty marsh]

@dreamy canopy by all of our current evidence it will safely guarantee you will not encounter the issue, at least

[upbeat gyro]

seems to be a valid option

[cinder trout]

@dreamy canopy up to you, but a lot of us have used ram from other vendors and it resulted in success

[dreamy canopy]

Kk, thanks everyone

[gusty marsh]

my general feeling is that long-term you want to fix this issue at the root, which means fully understanding it and possibly making physical changes to address it, but any mitigation that addresses it for actual units that ship out is plenty for the moment as long as people are getting made whole on their existing purchases

[faint imp]

Did Taki use different capacitors on the RAM stick?

[hushed burrow]

Right, well I've played RE2 to the point of reaching the police station, (christ its hard) so.. I guess mien is fine/Im lucky

[limber token]

Yes and both ram are fine

[cinder trout]

ah interesting

[neon summit]

they're all the same, apparently

[cinder trout]

so it seems that the taki ram doesn’t necessarily have to be paired to a board

[limber token]

No, but this seems pure luck

[cinder trout]

right

[late rover]

Well they are paired as a known good pair. Made sure that this particular pair works by qa.

[cinder trout]

but they didn’t sell them that way in the first batch. I don’t think the ram you got was tested with the board you got necessarily

[winged summit]

Search linkedin for positions requiring people that dominates first five minutes of RE2

[late rover]

Made sure by methods that are maybe accurate.

[faint dune]

taki tested all the ram to make sure it was stable at 150

I believe that was the only batch one test

[upbeat gyro]

Gotta say tracking these issues the last few days have brought me more entertainment out of my MiSTer then I ever expected

[late rover]

No they wasn't. It was announced after people started to habe issies with them.

[upbeat gyro]

Memtest and re2 for goty

[cinder trout]

yep

[late rover]

conker left in the dust

[upbeat gyro]

Conker is easy for most of us

Only a small subset of us have issues with that one

lol

[faint dune]

how dare you

[gusty marsh]

yeah there's basically two separate things which are both necessary to avoid a problem:

• Boards need to be sold with RAM that they were directly tested with
• The testing of said RAM and boards needs to actually cover the issues that people are having

[limber token]

Make no sense

[faint dune]

neither does retrogaming but here we are

[gusty marsh]

again by our current evidence, i think any one of "run the Jotego 48mhz and only pass if it stays green," "run the modified memtest and get no errors at 625," and "literally just play RE2 to the police station" would correctly eliminate all defective pairs, though with possibly differing volumes of false positives

would everyone agree with that?

[faint dune]

agreed

I wonder if we should just @ taki in here. They were DND before, so I held back. But with the formal announcement of batch 2, I wonder if they have thought at all about how they will handle folks with mismatched batch one boards/ram

[late rover]

people do keep saying that the jotego test should be just ditched though

[upbeat gyro]

I think the 48mhz test has had the least success rate so far

So it should be the default lol

I haven’t seen anyone pass the 48 but fail the 625, I had seen 625 pass and 48 fail tho

[timber fern]

Maybe not the worst idea

[faint dune]

I haven't seen anyone pass the 48mhz test on as Mister Pi

https://tenor.com/Una0.gif

[delicate hazel]

I honestly hope he does. It doesn't even need to be a 'we fixed the error'. Just that they are looking into it. Or some updates, what they suspect could be the issue.

As I said earlier it isn't fair on the batch 1 users and we don't know for certain if paired ram will solve the issue. I'm going to assume it costs Taki to deal with rma's. Especially shipping costs and whatnot. There's going to be a few people making rma's. And if the issue isn't fixed via the paired ram, even more rma's.

[sacred flint]

Your best bet is to @ him on Twitter or in his discord in the mister channel there

If you have questions or concerns

I think he was taking a vacation here soon, he might be on vacation now

[cinder trout]

I think @upbeat gyro @‘d him on tweeter

[keen forge]

How long should I run this 625 test for?

[faint dune]

if you don't see any errors in the first 10-15 min, you're probably fine

[delicate hazel]

Yeah there's 2 people mentioning about the ram/board issue. Fingers crossed

[stuck tulip]

from my first tests(using my old de10-nano) it seems the sdram clock sample point is close to the edge in the n64 core. The core currently uses a 180° shifted clock. In my tests 170° work, 160° does not any more. But in the other direction i'm still searching where it fails. Up to 300° it's still stable, so at least 170-300 and we use 180. Can easily shift it towards the center. But first we should make sure the borders are the same with the taki boards + ram

[faint dune]

Is that something we can test for you?

[stuck tulip]

for a quick test you could use the current center point and see if it works for a board/ram where the current core doesn't work

if this doesn't work, the issue is not the clock sampling and i don't need to search further

[neon summit]

i'll try it now

[faint dune]

testing time!

https://tenor.com/qm3e.gif

[delicate hazel]

Good luck 🤞

[gusty marsh]

[neon summit]

i see an error code E00080000 BUT F-Zero X has loaded

[gusty marsh]

(does everyone else understand what "sdram clock sample point" means and i am the only one here nodding blankly)

[timber fern]

Nah no clue. Magic person says maybe this thing will work, me test

[gritty herald]

https://tenor.com/view/bond-james-name-gif-23438741

[gusty marsh]

never has the title screen to resident evil 2 for nintendo 64 looked so beautiful.....

[stuck tulip]

ignore the error code in fzero it's normal for this game(it writes outside the memory)

[warm olive]

It's just how Perfect Dark runs on a real console. Download the N64 Turbo core which will have much better performance, in my opinion it's best N64 experience available, and will or should also not have any issues playing RE2 or Conker.

[neon summit]

gotcha

[gusty marsh]

yeah PD barely runs on real hardware

[neon summit]

now lets see if i can get to the police station

[delicate hazel]

@upbeat gyro This seems interesting.

[timber fern]

Man the interlacing in re2 is awful on an lcd. Looks fine on my crt though 😂

[gusty marsh]

oh yeah it's quite bad lol

[neon summit]

yeah i lowered the system ram to 4mb lol

[timber fern]

Gonna reboot and reload re2 a few times to see if I can make it crash

[faint imp]

Ok! Robert has fixed everything! Mods close this channel 🤣

[gusty marsh]

no even Robert can't make more people order Todd's case in black

[faint imp]

Ordered two cases from him myself! Thay look gorgeous

[stuck tulip]

please don't share this build widespread, it has all kind of other test stuff from me inside, haha

[gusty marsh]

@faint imp yeah i had a 5 minute turnaround from "hmm maybe" to hitting order lol

[stuck tulip]

proper build will follow once the boundaries are fully tested

[delicate hazel]

Thank you very much for taking the time to make a build.

[gusty marsh]

yeah, legitimately, you rock @stuck tulip

[timber fern]

Just got 000040 starting a new game on mine

[faint dune]

This is so great @stuck tulip. You didn't have to do anything of this

[cinder trout]

wow Robert just showing up like Superman (not Superman 64)

[faint dune]

hard reboot the mister

[versed goblet]

Nice timing. I had just finished my popcorn

[neon summit]

okay i died before i got to the police station, but that seemed to work fine

[timber fern]

Doing an in-core reset fixed it

[faint dune]

Alert @upbeat gyro

Robert has made us whole

[gusty marsh]

yeah two of my takeaways from this process have been a) RE2 is harder than I remember and b) I can't believe i played the entire game twice looking like this

[limber token]

Could you explain it in an other way, so that normal people could to try to understand it, please ?

[neon summit]

the models in Stadium 2 aren't glitching

[timber fern]

Couldn’t get the crash to happen again after a few hard resets and in core reset, must have been cosmic rays

[delicate hazel]

I guess the last game to try would be Conker right?

[faint dune]

I was literally booting that

[upbeat gyro]

In the garage working on inflatables for my wife. Let me run in and try

[rotund parrot]

hi, I've had bad memtest results and am going to test using this core rn, please hold

[faint dune]

yeah, no glitching in pokemon stadium 2

[timber fern]

That’s gonna be me soon rip

[gusty marsh]

oh, wouldn't want to take you away from your checks photo Glenrothes and 3 Foot Minions

[faint dune]

I'm lucky, my wife thinks that halloween stuff looks horrible. Christmas, on the other hand........

[timber fern]

“Sorry dear, the minion inflatable has a hole”

[faint dune]

No you don't understand, I need to play resident evil 2. the minions can wait

[upbeat gyro]

She’s standing over me waiting for me to convert these to use the power supply box I built her

I just told her a work issue came up

In my office now

[faint dune]

lol

[delicate hazel]

More like " sorry dear, I was too busy drinking whiskey and playing RE2 for the 15th time"

[gusty marsh]

yeah i think it might be suspicious if he takes the whiskey now that he said it was a work call

[timber fern]

“I LOVE THIS GAME YOU WOULDNT UNDERSTAND” sounds like a sane explanation too

[delicate hazel]

Hahaha

[gusty marsh]

it's ya boi

[faint imp]

It seems Taki owes Robert a couple of beers! 🍻

[delicate hazel]

A lot of potential rma's saved.

Actually I have an interesting question

[cinder trout]

@small lark #1287682359658807317 message

[delicate hazel]

I wonder if that core would help the QMtech people?

[neon summit]

idgaf about tests failing

[delicate hazel]

Wasn't there a few QMtech users reporting the same issue

[faint dune]

@small lark When you're around, try this build. It's working for all of us so far #1287682359658807317 message

[delicate hazel]

With RE2?

[faint imp]

@cinder crane please pin this?

[faint dune]

beat me to it

[faint dune]

make it to the gun shop

[faint imp]

[faint dune]

that's the best test

I assume you'll be able to because I was able to

[upbeat gyro]

Going back out before I get beat

Test gun shop later

[delicate hazel]

@sick rapids Sorry for the double ping. But I recall you writing that RE2 was crashing on your QMtech. Would you be willing to test a different version of the core Robert has made available?

[neon summit]

willuigi will be happy

[faint dune]

Pokemon Stadium 2 just threw a E0008000 error, but I assume that's normal as it was just going through the attract screen

[faint imp]

@strong falcon come here and see this!

Had to ping da man haha

[delicate hazel]

Was there any other QMtech users reporting the same issue apart from overkill?

[faint imp]

He will feel better on his vacations 🙂

[cinder trout]

Taki: “no refunds, all sales final (thanks Robert)!”

[rotund parrot]

I'm in re2 now using the shift240 build as well. Using that core, Conker walked up to the pub at what seemed like 4fps (I'm new to mister so I dunno if that's standard, and also booting Conker didn't include "patched" on its loading menu the way RE2 does for me)

[gusty marsh]

https://www.keysight.com/used/us/en/knowledge/glossary/oscilloscopes/what-is-a-sample-point okay so... if i follow correctly... the sample point is how far into a clock cycle it goes before reading the RAM? and so 180 degrees would be halfway, and 300 would be most of the way through, so adjusting the sample point up would be... waiting slightly longer in each clock cycle to read RAM? do I have that about right

[faint dune]

Conker runs like garbage on actual hardware - so it's expected

[timber fern]

It’s really just that horrible in Conker

[gusty marsh]

Conker walked up to the pub at what seemed like 4fps
can confirm this is also the real hardware performance

[timber fern]

The Xbox remaster is marginally better

[gusty marsh]

marginally

[cinder crane]

Thank you for the ping. It’s pinned.

[gusty marsh]

the N64 80Hz core might legitimately be the single best way to play Conker today lol

[faint dune]

xbox emulator

[faint imp]

Curious about the sample point in the turbo core?

[warm olive]

It's just how lots of these games performed on the real console including plenty of slowdowns. Use the turbo core if you want a more fluid experience with better performance.

[cinder trout]

“Now that the issue is solved, we can all agree to just use the Turbo core”

[rotund parrot]

Okay I got to re2 gun shop. Screen grew and shrank a few times while walking through streets, and I saw a smidge of glitching.

But it worked

[delicate hazel]

That's due to the memory expansion

[faint dune]

So we can all agree that Robert is the best memtest player here?

[neon summit]

assuming that does the same thing F-Zero X does

[faint dune]

yeah, I assume so

[gusty marsh]

absolutely unheard of 1337 skillz

[delicate hazel]

https://tenor.com/view/what-do-we-do-now-stan-marsh-south-park-s10e8-make-love-not-warcraft-gif-20869657

[timber fern]

After spending 30000 hours playing memtest, he is one with the memory

[delicate hazel]

We can finally play RE2 now

[faint dune]

finally

[hushed burrow]

Where would I find this turbo core yous peak of

[timber fern]

I can’t wait to not play re2 now that it works perfectly

[cinder trout]

the long shared nightmare is over (maybe)

[faint dune]

pinned in the n64 thread

[gusty marsh]

okay i want to hear everyone reporting back about finishing Side A by this time tomorrow

[delicate hazel]

Damn

[gusty marsh]

Sherry Birkin is waiting for you

[violet tangle]

Same.

[faint dune]

#1096015979055697940 message

[timber fern]

What is this, book club?

[warm olive]

https://github.com/MiSTer-devel/N64_MiSTer check the releases_turbo folder and download the turbo core to your sd card's "_Console" folder.

[gusty marsh]

just want to share the love now that i'm not the only person special enough to be able to play RE2

[delicate hazel]

The only thing that hasn't been confirmed by this core. Is QMtech users who have experienced the same crashes.

I did ping one who said RE2 crashed.

[faint dune]

we still love you, Quin. 48mhz test or not

[stuck tulip]

let me try it...
When reading data from sdram, you need to decide when to look at the data. As it is changing with the sdram clock speed, the data will not be stable all the time but only for some time. There is a time when it begins to get stable(170°), a stable time and a time where it gets unstable again(300°).
Previously we sampled right at the border(180°) and on some new boards it will even shift in the unstable area with that.
The testbuild shifts the sample point. Not yet clear if really in the middle of the "eye", but probably enough to fix it already

[cinder trout]

pretty optimistic it’ll work for them too 🤞

[rotund parrot]

Okay I'd love to be sure on Conker. On default core, is it REALLY supposed to be 6-7fps when he stumbles into pub? As measured by OSD

[faint dune]

yes

that's how it is on real hardware

conker was a mess

[gusty marsh]

okay i am impressed that
a) i was actually pretty close in trying to figure this out from googling around and
b) how much better this one paragraph explanation is than literally every source on the internet, including a visual aid

[timber fern]

Yes it gets a little better later in the game

[rotund parrot]

I thought it was at least 10 or so

[faint dune]

If you want to play conker, grab the xbox version and XEMU

[rotund parrot]

But okay just being sure that I don't need a conker rma lol

[timber fern]

(Or a real xbox and mod it)

[delicate hazel]

Yeah, that would be awesome. Robert would have fixed the issues with both clones

2 birds, one stone

[faint dune]

and recap it

[delicate hazel]

(turns out that QMtech user who reported the crash, due to older firmware)

So disregard my previous messages

[cinder trout]

oh interesting

[neon summit]

yeah, seems the qmtech hardware ships with the older mister binary

[cinder trout]

so no “real” qmtech crashes then

[neon summit]

ah man this feeling of relief lol

[tepid lynx]

turbo core fixed my game speed issues with RE2

[delicate hazel]

Maybe not. I think if anyone does see a QMtech user posting about the crash. And they have updated everything. Could be worth asking them to use the above core and report back.

[cinder trout]

yep true

[cinder crane]

Our community is great. Thank you everyone for being so kind and diligent.

[gusty marsh]

yes i am really impressed at how everyone has engaged on this.

[cinder trout]

like now I kinda want to just swap sdrams again and try the new core just because (but I probably won’t)

[tepid lynx]

Now if we could figure out the crunchy audio on psx

[faint dune]

turn down the global volume in the OSD

[tepid lynx]

I did, I straight up have crackling noises on psx core

[faint dune]

someone posted yesterday that reducing it by one....block....fixed the crunched audio

oh ok. let me look. any particular game?

[tepid lynx]

Parasite Eve's intro was crunchy. Crackly

I can get a video

[cinder trout]

huh ok that’s interesting…that’s the next thing I need to test

[limber token]

Thank you, much better to understand.

[faint dune]

Loading it up now

[delicate hazel]

Are you using hdmi audio or something else for audio?

[tepid lynx]

analog, sorry

thats important to note

[cinder trout]

yeah the issue is with the 3.5mm jack

[tepid lynx]

Gotcha, so its not just me

[cinder trout]

I’ve seen multiple people report it, I haven’t tested yet myself

[faint dune]

I'm testing it now

plugged into the jack

[delicate hazel]

Not sure if it's related at all..but I was getting a bit of crackle/static when using my iems (via 3.5mm) on my older computer cases front panel audio. But I think that's due to a lower quality/unshielded/older front panel audio connector from the case. (I had to run a usb c to 3.5mm audio adapter and extension cable from the motherboard)

[tepid lynx]

I've used three different audio cables hoping it was my issue. But the analog audio is just rough sounding for me

different speakers, too

[faint dune]

it sounds ok to me on my astro a40s plugged in directly

trying to see if I can capture it so you can tell me if it sounds right

[tepid lynx]

I'll show you what mine sounds like filmed off of the tv

I'm guessing I have a lemon

[faint dune]

mine definitely doesn't sound like that

does it sound right through HDMI?

I wonder if it's the CHD?

[warm olive]

I can't comment on the Mister Pi, but as far as I understand the Mister always had a bad quality analog audio output, which is why most people are using the optical out in combination with a separate DAC.

[tepid lynx]

Is there an optical out on the mister pi board? I'd gladly just do that

[neon summit]

yes

well, the av board

[tepid lynx]

Guess I'm shopping for a DAC now!

[cinder crane]

I think the new analog pro board from misteraddons has a great DAC now?

[neon summit]

you'd need a cable like this

[cinder crane]

I wouldn’t know, I just-ah pushee da buttonz

[nimble nest]

are there any other games that badly misbehave on n64 besides re2?

[timber fern]

Conker, pokemon stadium 2

[nimble nest]

wait, did any of you try lower clocked cores?

[timber fern]

Yeah they didn’t exhibit issues iirc

[nimble nest]

weird

[warm olive]

I believe the new Sorg board does too. I already received it but didn't have the time to install yet, plus I'm waiting for a Mister Addons Armor Shock+ to arrive, which will require me to take the case apart anyways.

[cinder crane]

Awesome!

[neon summit]

yes no issues from cores with lower clocks, or any other cores

[nimble nest]

nicely explained

[delicate hazel]

Hence why everyone flocked to the N64 thread/channel instead of this one haha.

[nimble nest]

now comes the next question

who can beat re2 on n64 the fastest?

[delicate hazel]

I reckon it would be me without even trying

[neon summit]

the PS1 core is right there :p

[delicate hazel]

Apart from the crashes. One thing I learned is no one here likes Resident Evil 2 on the n64

[small lark]

I’ll give this test build a shot in a second, thanks for the mentions, guys!

[faint imp]

Jotego's RAM tester was created because of what? CPS-2 games core?

[upbeat gyro]

So would memtest be checking at the same sample point?

[stuck tulip]

memtest is using 180°

[faint imp]

I think people should start testing jotegos cores. Beginning with CPS-2!

[neon summit]

CPS2 works fine

[stuck tulip]

it would be a big pain to shift the sample point in memtest, because different sample point is a second clock source and if the clock is configurable at runtime like in memtest, the shifted clock would also need to be. This would need someone REALLY motivated to work on that

[faint imp]

Great to know! So playing with 48mhz tester is useless then

[neon summit]

seems like!

[faint imp]

Pretty sure he released that to debug CPS-2

Eventually I think he fixed his memory controller

[limber token]

Dumb question, could Memtest or a core not test wich Shift is the right for the module with a test pattern? I guess this is like a thing comparable to the spd on pc rams?

[warm olive]

I actually really like and enjoy it. Using the turbo core you get amazing performance plus the N64 didn't suffer from the wobbling pixels like the PS1 did.

[small lark]

I played some CPS2 before and it ran fine for me as well

[delicate hazel]

Looks like I got competition then haha.

[faint imp]

All good in the clones land now then 😌

[stuck tulip]

yes, you could shift the sample clock at runtime, autotest the sdram for the edge that work and then place the sample point in the middle. But it costs ressources and typically the eye is wide enough that this is not required. Maybe if someone really needs those 167mhz from the sdram 🙂

[faint imp]

Dreamcast core from MARS will deffo need it

[upbeat gyro]

Cps2 would be like street fighter alpha 2?

[faint imp]

[green sparrow]

Is this something that is implemented in the HDL side or in some other part? My limited verilog experience has taught me that you can do stuff like

always @(posedge clk) begin
...
end

Which allows registers to be updated inside the body of the always every time the clock rises. It seems like you are shifting the point where the clock edge is considered "risen", but that's nothing I've every seen implemented on the HDL side.

[neon summit]

yeah

[upbeat gyro]

I ran that earlier

[delicate hazel]

As glad I am that it's been fixed. I wonder why it didn't affect every mister pi + Taki ram.

[neon summit]

if you have the arcade organiser you can check roms by platform but i'm sure you knew that

[faint imp]

I think Robert does VHDL

[delicate hazel]

Then again, I reckon that's a question for another time.

Now it's time for RE2 N64 gaming.

Tank controls only

[small lark]

it has never come this far

[faint imp]

Very Hard Difficult Language

[stuck tulip]

i currently implement it in the pll: the sdram controller clock is generated and a second clock for the sdram itself is generated at same speed that is shifted inside the pll generator by some amount of 0..359 degree

so no HDl involved, other than mapping this clock to the pin

[cinder trout]

please say it’s still running 🤞

[slim sundial]

Cosmic rays? Mercury in retrograde?

[cinder trout]

solar flares maybe

[faint imp]

This is actually very common in electronics when components are working within their borderline specs

[delicate hazel]

Ahh

[delicate hazel]

Hahaha

[faint imp]

Works for some. Not for others

[small lark]

I am playing mario64

It remains functional

[slim sundial]

https://tenor.com/view/welcome-to-minnmax-minnmax-mario-head-minnmax-minnmax-mario-head-gif-13972821065258561875

[faint imp]

Ok, gotta try to buy another Taki on batch #2 😄

[delicate hazel]

Hold the phone. Let me try and get one first 🤣

[slim sundial]

Actually wait it is broken after all, please dont order 🙏 😈

[delicate hazel]

I ain't even going to attempt to buy the case. Just charge In and buy the mega bundle.

Il even run the turbo core for my pc 😉

[upbeat gyro]

Got all my wife’s inflatables done. Now I can get back to the real work

Playing this fucking game

[gusty marsh]

how many minions are on your lawn now

[upbeat gyro]

Don’t ask

[gusty marsh]

holy butts that's so many more than the "surely this is absurdly high" guess i was about to offer

[upbeat gyro]

You should see Christmas. I swear we have $3-4000 of these things in the storage room

But hey I ordered a PS5 pro yesterday and she’s like I want 2 more minions…. They’re like $35 each usually. I can deal with it 😂

[neon summit]

that's amazing

[upbeat gyro]

That was last Christmas

[gusty marsh]

.......you know, i'm not sure why i thought the christmas ones wouldn't all be minions. that's on me

[upbeat gyro]

My daughter is obsessed with bluey and Frozen and my wife won’t allow a bluey or Olaf inflatable

[gusty marsh]

lmao jeez

if my kid got to make decisions about decorating anything it would just be yoshis as far as the eye can see

[small lark]

do you have a Ko-Fi or something

[upbeat gyro]

She kept burning up the cheap 12v1a power supplies with proprietary connectors on them. They’re like $30 to replace on a $35 inflatable

So I built her a power supply

[gusty marsh]

wait. i just realized you're putting out halloween decorations on september 27th. party foul!

[stuck tulip]

not anymore. Don't worry, if you enjoy the core, i'm happy 🙂

[upbeat gyro]

But now I’m a roadblock when she gets new ones

Since they need the new waterproof connector on them

It’s also much more populated than it was in those pics lol. It’s a beast now and I just had to buy another power distribution board 😵‍💫

[upbeat gyro]

Yeahhhh there’s a real fucking sad story behind that in our neighborhood. One of our friends/neighbors lost her battle with depression last year on the 25th of September so a lot of us started decorating before that date to try and bring some fun

[gusty marsh]

oh. well that's a bummer but very sweet of all of you to do

[limber token]

Holly shit, and we calculate electric bill for a 24/7 Mister. With that guys you could power mister many years i guess. 😂

[worn lion]

fwiw they also have informational purposes to the user

like HDD activity and the status of whether their game save needs to write to the sd card

[cinder trout]

MiSTions

[worn lion]

24/7 mister is probably less than the power brick for a sega genesis vampires in a year

[green sparrow]

OK, I think I understand. Basically there are multiple clocks in the system. One is the SDRAM clock and there is/are other clocks(s) that are used for the N64 logic. Some of the logic reads the output of SDRAM. I imagine it is best that the clocks used by this logic should not be perfectly synchronized with the SDRAM clock to allow signals driven by SDRAM logic to propogate, thus you phase shift these other clocks slightly. This shift is what you mean by "choosing the sample point," correct? Unfortunately my digital logic knowledge is at undergrad level since I switched to software post graduation. 😛

[blissful hill]

So 240 degrees is what's working for most people?

[upbeat gyro]

Check n64 channel

[green sparrow]

We don't have enough data

[upbeat gyro]

Robert wants a range

And testers

[cinder trout]

dang I guess I might have to re-pair my MiSTer Pi with it’s beloved Taki Ram to test

[wary turret]

Nice, Taki should send a card to Robert to thank him for bailing him out of having to do a bunch of returns

It’s interesting that other ram seems less forgiving on when it’s stable to read.

If it’s supposedly the same spec

[upbeat gyro]

Yeah there’s something still off but if it doesn’t impact anything 🤷‍♂️

[rotund parrot]

okay so! I just went on a bit of a MiSTer Pi testing tear and found another issue with my faulty sdram model: the dual-ram saturn core!

basically when I load my region-free bios, the frame rate crawls to like 0.00001 fps

[wary turret]

Dual ram Saturn isn’t really the go forward anymore though right?

[rotund parrot]

unsure if there's an identically simple fix that can be applied to that core since I know it's WiP

[warm olive]

Is the dual ram saturn core even still being developed? I think it was decided some time ago that it would only ever need a single ram stick.

[rotund parrot]

@wary turret I am new to MiSTer so I am not the authority, just messing w/ everything that I could never play on Analogue Pocket

[neon summit]

perhaps a silly question, but do you have two sdram modules installed?

[rotund parrot]

I put together the "complete" kit yesterday, which includes one 128MB module

[wary turret]

You should ask in the Saturn channel, I think kuba still tests dual? Maybe it’s not even working on current

[warm olive]

You'll need two ram modules for any dual ram cores to work.

[neon summit]

this would be dual ram

[pine ether]

what oes QAed means?

[wary turret]

Oh haha yeah

[warm olive]

Just note that currently there is no single core that actually benefits from using a second ram module, so there is no need for such setup at all, currently.

[wary turret]

Need dual ram for dual ram core 😅

[rotund parrot]

@neon summit aha, I misunderstood my kit in that case.

then all's well, ignore the guy w/ the green heart-flower thing by his name lol

[warm olive]

It's all good, it definitely takes some time to understand the system and where it's currently at.

[wary turret]

Arguably Jaguar but it’s dead in the water

[cinder crane]

It wouldn’t need it after optimization anyways

[wary turret]

No let people run off and buy dual same in case Jaguar comes back

There could be a ram shortage

Buy buy buy

[cinder crane]

i had to do some damage control when those two goobers told everyone to buy dual ram and then went “haha just kidding” like a couple weeks after

[cursive crypt]

Dual ram, here on out, period. (/S)

[wary turret]

I think as a thank you to Robert every impacted Mr pi owner should have to play through RE2

It’s only fair

[neon summit]

[gusty marsh]

i am so glad i missed this 😂

[neon summit]

best i can do is getting to the police station

[faint dune]

Sorry did some say jaguar

[pine ether]

sorry its MY turn! =p

[upbeat gyro]

So… what do we do now guys?

[faint dune]

no seriously I saw someone say jaguar

[faint imp]

Play some games

[faint dune]

literally going through my /games directory, making note of empty directories, and then grabbing the sets for them

[cinder trout]

I’m just testing other cores on the MiSTer Pi now

[stoic sentinel]

Heya! Is any MiSTer Pi user able to get Truxton or Zero Wing (arcade) to show up on their CRT? Most games show correctly on my CRT (e.g. RType LEO), but some games just show up blank.

By the way, here's how I'm connected

[upbeat gyro]

I need a good neogeo set 🤪

[faint dune]

it's a good system

[upbeat gyro]

Gonna need a script to change the names tho

As the zip names aren’t real descriptive on the sets

[faint dune]

they are fine in mister

[upbeat gyro]

Oh. I guess there probably is a database lol

[cinder trout]

I just do the .neo files instead of the darksoft set

[upbeat gyro]

I also wish we had the option to just auto launch whatever is in a zip file. Double clicking makes me mildly annoyed

[lyric gull]

Same, and also RT4K first batch. Still happy with the Mister Pi despite some issues.

[upbeat gyro]

Maybe I should unzip lol

[lyric gull]

Has Taki said anything?

[faint dune]

the rt4k may be my favorite thing I have bought in a while

[faint dune]

nah, but robert solved the problem

[lyric gull]

He did?

Wizard.

[upbeat gyro]

Yes

We are so good

Now we ran out of things to do

[lyric gull]

What was the problem?

[faint dune]

#1287682359658807317 message

[lyric gull]

I realised mine can’t run Stadium 2.

[faint dune]

related: #1096015979055697940 message

[upbeat gyro]

#1287682359658807317 message

LOL

[faint dune]

basically, adjusting how the core reads memory. need more testers though (the n64 channel link)

[stoic sentinel]

Is this thread the right place to ask this? Just making sure

[upbeat gyro]

The crt thread might be able to help better

[faint dune]

it is, I just dunno if anyone can help yet

[stoic sentinel]

Ah, thanks y'all 🙂

[upbeat gyro]

https://discord.com/channels/647909397477195803/806021143948689438

[lyric gull]

What is this shift? Like a phase?

[faint dune]

It's magic as far as I can tell #1287682359658807317 message

[upbeat gyro]

Robert drew us a picture

#1287682359658807317 message

GOD DAMNIT JESUS

[faint dune]

https://tenor.com/bEHZG.gif

[lyric gull]

Sorcery.

[upbeat gyro]

Do I need this $750 rt4k box? lol

[lyric gull]

So will this be rolled into a future update?

[faint dune]

the rt4k?

[lyric gull]

Yes.

[faint dune]

I can go either way on linus but this is a good vid https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-B5ebucZ69s

and you can decide for yourself

[lyric gull]

The RT4K pairs so well with MiSTer.

Like a fine wine.

[cinder crane]

The morph4k is also another great option and is 1/3rd the price. For transparency I was given a free unit.

[faint dune]

Once you direct video, you cannot indirect video anymore

You will never want a crt again

Look at how good memtest looks!

[lyric gull]

Disagree! RT4K is great but CRT is life.

[upbeat gyro]

Yeaaahhh this is more my speed lol

[rotund parrot]

oh gosh as an RT4K owner I would love some help with MiSTer-friendly profiles

so many of the profiles assume you have OG hardware, not connecting via MiSTer/HDMI

[lyric gull]

I don’t like the business practices of PixelFX but maybe this isn’t the place.

[faint dune]

do you have direct video enabled?

[rotund parrot]

uh

[faint dune]

it's in the mister.ini

direct_video=1

[rotund parrot]

lessee

..now I do, I'm also on an HDR OLED, should I do HDR as option 1, 2, 3, or ignore it?

[faint dune]

it will solve 99% of your issues. i'm going to fuck this up but, as I understand it, direct video sends the analog(?) video signal direct from the core out of the hdmi port. it is way out of the hdmi spec, so you need special equipment (a dac(?)) to receive it properly. the rt4k has that built in, and will automatically crop the screen based on the data

let the tink do HDR

ok, if direct video is on, reboot your mister, and then open the profiles and load from file (I think is the menu option)

[lyric gull]

This is a good summary.

[faint dune]

go to CRT emulation, and pick the HDR sony pvm profile (without BFI)

you will have to swap the input back to HDMI

but then you will have a fully bright image (because of HDR) with all the scanlines and CRT goodness

[upbeat gyro]

I told my wife an hour ago I was going to my office to play games finally

Here I am having not played a single game

[lyric gull]

It’s not analog but same difference. Just non standard timings over HDMI.

[faint dune]

yeah, it's a weird signal. I read somewhere that you shouldn't unplug your mister's hdmi cord while it's sending direct video because it could mess up the port. so, again, witchcraft

[lyric gull]

So what’s the next meta? Surely I’m not supposed to play games?

[faint dune]

RT4k DV1 profiles

[lyric gull]

But I’m happy with my CRT profiles.

[upbeat gyro]

Damn apparently I’m the only one without a $750 video scaler 😂

[faint dune]

i bet your face is so red right now

[lyric gull]

Get it.

[gusty marsh]

GOTY

[faint dune]

oh, @rotund parrot add this to the bottom of your mister.ini:

direct_video=0```

there are some cores that don't support direct video

[gusty marsh]

is there, like, something i should be aware of before potentially purchasing from them

[upbeat gyro]

Look in special

I applied a filter. lol

[lyric gull]

And it’s not a $750 video scaler, it’s a $750 happiness box.

[faint dune]

@rotund parrot should have just linked this from the jump https://consolemods.org/wiki/AV:RetroTINK-4K/System_Specific_Settings#MiSTer

[shut warren]

When testing the memory, does it slow down after some time or does it start at a lower number?

[lyric gull]

Shiny edition. Like car companies selling heated seats with a software unlock.

[faint dune]

everytime it errors, it drops the clock speed by 1

[shut warren]

How long should I run the memtest then? Like an hour or so?

[faint dune]

yeah, that should be good

[rotund parrot]

@faint dune okay so I appreciate all of this, but I'm in the NES core right now and I feel like it's a bit off with integer scaling

Mario's eyes are different widths

[shut warren]

Is there an easy way to test input lag with my setup? I'm using wireless controllers and stuff, just want to make sure that it's within "reason"

[faint dune]

oo, let me check mine

[rotund parrot]

my Mister Pi is at 720p

[faint dune]

Yeah, something is definitely weird

It shouldn’t be. Should be 240

[lyric gull]

@rotund parrot your RT4K should say what res it’s detected and what core is running (from the infoframes).

[faint dune]

Backup your mister.ini and use this one. its the default with direct video enabled

the mister shouldn't do any scaling at all

the tink should do everything

[lyric gull]

Yeah not doing DV.

[rotund parrot]

okay grabbing this ini and putting it on SD card right now..

[faint dune]

Your tink should detect what core is running when you start it

[lyric gull]

The default ini has direct video disabled afaik. Enable it but disable it for menu and other cores that don’t support dv.

[faint dune]

That ini is from the tink discord so its default aside from direct video being enabled (I believe)

[rotund parrot]

Success!

The tink is mister-aware!

[lyric gull]

Welcome!

[faint dune]

there is a folder on your tink's sd where you can put core specific profiles (like if you want different crts for different systems). I believe you just need to put a profile in there and then rename it to the core (like NES)

[rotund parrot]

Okay I'm feeling like this crt filter adds some input latency

[lyric gull]

Profiles/dv1

[lyric gull]

Mess around with the gen lock options.

[faint dune]

this is my profile of choice for everything atm https://fxtwitter.com/kurohouou/status/1834755699277963736

Kuro does amazing work

[lyric gull]

Eww, JVC.

[faint dune]

its a little grimier than the pvm profile

i like it a lot

[lyric gull]

Aperture grille or bust.

[faint dune]

we should probably get back on topic though. I have already been scolded once this week for going on a tangent :p

[rotund parrot]

Don't understand

[cinder crane]

The MiSTer devs did a whole bunch of work to get the Tink detecting the MiSTer correctly.

[lyric gull]

@faint dune will explain (and get in trouble).

[faint dune]

gen lock locks the refresh rate to the core. check out that page I linked https://consolemods.org/wiki/AV:RetroTINK-4K/System_Specific_Settings#MiSTer if you set vsync_adjust=2 the tink will spit out frames at whatever rate the core is handing them out. most of the time, this is fine, but if you get a funky core that is spitting on frames at a rate your tv doesn't understand, you'll just get no input. however, it will reduce the input latency to as close to zero as your tv is capable of

the filters shouldn't add any latency. thats one of the benefits of the tink

[lyric gull]

In theory it should reduce latency.

Vs triple buffer.

[faint dune]

if you have more questions, you can DM me. 🙂

that way fwwwn can't check my math and I can tell you ANYTHING

[lyric gull]

Mods! Off topic discussions happening in DMs.

[faint dune]

oh shit the cops

[lyric gull]

@rotund parrot this wiki is pretty much the official manual and has some MiSTer info too. https://consolemods.org/wiki/AV:RetroTINK-4K

[blissful hill]

World Soccer for the SMS... My early childhood in a nutshell

Damn I want an RT4K... How does it fare with ps2?

[faint dune]

Honestly, I’ve only used it with the mister. I kind of want to build a mame cab with one….but that’s a project for next year

[upbeat gyro]

Anyone playing memtest tonight?

[green sparrow]

Nah, it's all about Robert's new shifted N64 cores

And RE2

[upbeat gyro]

I noticed im better at RE2 at 270 vs 200

[open mist]

Are the batch one owners still getting a case?

[faint dune]

Who knows!

I think taki said the final proofs were behind schedule

[timber fern]

Who up testing they mem

[strong falcon]

No

[cinder trout]

Oh I know, it was a joke 😅

[strong falcon]

But this is good news

Did anyone with this issue have issues playing JT cores?

Or was it only N64 non Turbo core?

[cinder trout]

I’ve been following pretty closely the past couple days and haven’t seen anyone report problems with other cores. It seems like the memtest failures always correlated with the N64 problems but didn’t translate to other cores having issues

[late rover]

I don't remember anyone having problems with the turbo core no?

[cinder trout]

me either. Only the standard non-turbo core

The only other issue I’ve seen pop up was the crackly analog audio on the PSX core, but I have no idea if that’s unique to MiSTer Pi

and obviously not a ram issue

[late rover]

Some people said turning the global volume down a couple notches made it a lot better.

I'm playing with a crappy mono speaker on a consumer crt so I can't tell either way lol.

[cinder trout]

oh that reminds me that my little CRT is mono as well…I should probably pull out some speakers to test with when I try it

[late rover]

This thing is just barely used and rather new so I like it. Colors are still vibrant.

[small lark]

I know I didn't have any issues

[delicate hazel]

Good Morning.
I don't think there was any mention of other cores not working. Just the N64 one. A lot of people here did end up trying to do tests and gather information. Weird things happened like some mister pi + Taki ram worked fine, mister pi + other vendors ram worked fine. Even suspected issue taki ram with a normal de 10 nano was working fine.

I can't recall if people had problems with the turbo N64 core. It just seemed to be the N64 core with Conker, RE2 and Pokémon stadium 2. But thankfully the core that was posted yesterday fixes that.

The only 'outstanding' issue I have seen is with using the 3.5mm audio out and analog video to play through psx core. Apparently the audio is crackly and loud. One of the suggestions was to lower the sound in the osd I believe.

[arctic hinge]

Only non turbo n64 core showed problems for me.

[runic pecan]

#test-builds message
New N64 test build 🙂

[neon summit]

You might need to adjust the video settings so that the core displays 8:7 instead of 4:3 (basically). I noticed something similar when I first loaded Super Metroid and setting the core to 8:7 sorted it

Oh it looks like you've sorted it anyway 😅

[strong falcon]

Can someone with PSX crackle take a picture of the top of their IO board?

[delicate hazel]

@tepid lynx When you get a spare few mins. Can you take a picture of the top of your IO board please for Taki? I believe it was you who had the cackling noise via the 3.5mm headphones jack.

(then some other people just had a louder noise, I'll see if I can find any posts that might be relevant to you)

[delicate hazel]

https://www.reddit.com/r/fpgagaming/s/xW6hZHHbvO

That post is in regards to low audio. However someone in the comments someone gets awful audio output via that 3.5mm jack.

[delicate hazel]

#1046940919607345272 message

Some more information on the crackling. Hopefully that helps. If someone does mention they have crackling il ask if they can take a picture or 2 of the top of the analog board and ping you.

[late rover]

Pretty sure I did also notice this crackling at some point when I was still kinda fumbling around setting things up but I really don't hear anything wrong with the audio now.

[delicate hazel]

Apparently some people fixed the audio crackling by lowering the volume in mister's osd.

[late rover]

Could it be software? Outdated system?

I have also taken this apart a couple times after then.

[delicate hazel]

(as there seems to be 2 quirks in regards to the 3.5mm out. Either the volume is louder or the crackling. But I haven't seen a lot of people talking about the crackling in comparison to the audio being louder)

[late rover]

Maybe I'm just going deaf lol.

[neon summit]

I think I'm probably still going to replace this sdram module when the bga ones roll around 😅

[hushed burrow]

Im still poking with plugging my Mister into my Retrotink 5x, the 4k was just.. too expensive 😄

In hindsight, maybe should have just gone for the 4k but wasnte planning on getting a MiSTer

[cinder crane]

It doesn’t matter much honestly. The games are still going to look the same and if you’re happy with what you currently have then I wouldn’t worry about it.

[hushed burrow]

Yeah, like the 5k looks great on real hardware, honestly no complaints. but it would just be nice to plug everything into it withhout the need for teh digital>analoge conversion step just from a 'well thats messy' and 'adds a lot more cables and shit'

[cinder crane]

You don’t use HDMI?

[hushed burrow]

For the MiSTer aye, but I've found a few cores etc dont seem to play nice with resolution changes etc so I was playing with feeding it into the tink to see if that helps things along

Or maybe get a better picture on some of the earler cores using that 'tink magic 😄

[cinder crane]

For the resolution switching it means that TV is having issues handling it. The following ini setting will help with that:

vsync_adjust=0

https://mister-devel.github.io/MkDocs_MiSTer/advanced/ini/#general-video-settings

[hushed burrow]

the only major problem Im having troubel fixing is for some reason the output picture is really dark, like it varies between core but things like.. was playing Vagrent story and it was just Dark like 'I cant even make out half of the screen dark' same for N64 cores

Turning on 'Pure_HDMI' for example in N64 its MUCH darker.. im not.. 100% whats going on with that

[cinder crane]

Weird, I don’t have that issue at all.

Also first I’ve heard of it. Are you plugging it in via HDMI straight into the TV?

[hushed burrow]

Yeah, Mister direct to TV via HDMi

[cinder crane]

Yeah that’s new to me, how odd.

Try with the ini setting above to see if it improves it at all

[hushed burrow]

I'll give it a try, mabe try to grab some photos

I did mess with the 'gamma adjust' feature but that only seems to let you turn the Gamma down 😄 not up haha

[upbeat gyro]

Only n64 non turbo for me.

Robert posted more here

#1096015979055697940 message

The odd part was the issue didn’t follow the SDRAM module, your ram in a de10 worked fine with the old core and another brand ram worked fine with the old core on your fpga board. We’ll chalk it up to gremlins since Robert seems to have saved the day!

[cinder crane]

It’s the board not the sdram.

Or at least a combination of the board with the sdram.

So it’s a hardware issue but one that can be resolved fortunately.

[neon summit]

A combination of capacitors on the sdram module and the length of the clock trace perhaps?

[cinder crane]

Yeah possibly. It was out of spec of what the de10-nano did.

[neon summit]

As ultimatemister was saying anyway

[cinder crane]

But that’s ok, it can be accounted for.

[upbeat gyro]

Robert is a 🧙

[cinder crane]

Yes absolutely but also gives yourselves credit too. Y’all did the hard work of identifying the issue and doing thorough testing.

Hopefully Taki can learn from this and avoid the issue in the future batches, do better testing.

But it’s also a miracle and quite an achievement that this was the only issue discovered so far.

The de10-nano is an incredibly complex piece of tech and the MiSTer project is bleeding edge emulation. They did a fantastic job replicating it all.

There was bound to be issues on the first batch, so I think it’s amazing that this was the only issue.

[cinder crane]

❗ Important:

For those of you who have issues using the N64 core with the MiSTer Pi or other clone boards, please use this test core:

• #test-builds message

(this is currently a test build so we can catch issues before it goes out to everyone as part of update_all)

[cinder crane]

Ok cool, pinned that same message in #1096015979055697940. Excited that all our new friends can enjoy the MiSTer without any issues thanks to the amazing devs and community here! 🥳

[green sparrow]

Will do. It only happens with latest build. Lowering the volume did not fix it for me.

[faint imp]

Whats the crackling sound issue so I can test?

Does it happen on HDMI or it’s analog only? I have an optical to BT sound adapter connected to my MiSTer

[faint dune]

analog only. if you have parasite eve, Jud was having trouble with the intro

they posted a vid, lemme see if I can find it

[faint imp]

Optical or not?

Will try it later on! Thanks!

[faint dune]

#1287682359658807317 message

[faint imp]

Eewww

[faint dune]

it wasn’t like that on mine

so they may have a bad board

they are plugged into a TV, though. I was going through headphones

[faint imp]

Wondering if the issue affects optical as well

Will try to find a wired headphone

[tepid lynx]

i have optical cables on the way, but they won't get here until tomorrow.

[faint dune]

which did you end up ordering?

[tepid lynx]

I bought a DAC but it was only minitoslink, rookie mistake

[faint dune]

I think I want one to plug into my astro mix amp

god all these cables are 800 feet long

I just need like 6 inches

[tepid lynx]

i also had that issue haha

[faint dune]

there is a small one but it’s twice the cost of the others

[tepid lynx]

Thats how they get ya!

[dusky glen]

the mister audio crackle on the analog audio

the optical is perfectly fine

[faint imp]

You mean it crackles using a regular audio cable and not with an optical one?

[dusky glen]

yes the analog one . toslink works flawlessly

[faint imp]

Will definitely try with a regular audio cable! Thanks for confirming!

[dusky glen]

you need something like this

with a dac

[lyric gull]

An external DAC made a big difference for me.

[faint imp]

That's the one I have and had no issues. Will try with a wired headphone and I will report back!

I use this with an AptX (Low Latency) BT headset: https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B086CYS884/

Connected to the MiSTer via the toslink cable

[faint imp]

Yep! Getting LOTS of audio crackling from a MiSTer Pi on Parasite Eve with a wired Apple EarPod. Definitely not happening with a DE-10 nano + Ironclad Lite setup.

[dusky glen]

you can try lowering the volume in the options

[tepid lynx]

If its like the crackle I experience, the volume doesn't help at all

[faint imp]

Lowered global volume by one bar and it just made the crackles lower 😂

[dusky glen]

i just went with optical lol

[faint imp]

It looks like optical is the recommended way anyways? It looks like analog from that connector is just crappy anyways?

It would be good to have that fixed though as optical requires a converter

[dusky glen]

i think is a common issue with the mister in general

a dac yes

[faint imp]

Will hold to get a new megapack with that fixed. That's probably something that CANNOT be fixed from the core/framework side

Does it change anything if I remove that small L shaped PCB from the top?

Boxed the Mister Pi again 😦

[dusky glen]

i dont think so. also the crac,kling is present on the de10 nano

[faint imp]

You mean Taki's IO on de10?

[dusky glen]

All of them

[faint imp]

Whoa

I didn't get crackles with the Ironclad Lite though

[dusky glen]

interesting

[faint imp]

Is that only with the PSX core?

[dusky glen]

i am not sure i thin i was getting is with snes

but i switched to a dac so i dont get it anymore

[faint dune]

I get no crackling

[dusky glen]

from the analog output?

[faint dune]

yeah, that's the one above hdmi, right? no crackle in the intro at all. I was looking for a double male cable so I could capture it

[dusky glen]

psx?

[faint imp]

Any chances you testing with a wired headphone?

I got crackles with Parasite Eve intro on the PSX core

[faint dune]

just used the apple earbuds (I was using astro a40s when I tested yesterday)

hold on, let me see if I can find that damn cable

[faint imp]

Please play Parasite Eve intro and let us know

[faint dune]

that is what i was playing

thats what jud told me to try

[faint imp]

Gotcha! Thanks

[tepid lynx]

The crackling happens on most loud PSX games for me, but PE was the best to take a video of

Probably that sweet sweet intro jam

[cinder crane]

Has everyone reloaded up the N64 core for the biggest ram stress test?

You need to load Buck Bumble and leave the intro song on loop for 24 hours: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=K0DDY299Ly4

[faint imp]

N64 is a thing of the past now! Crackling audio issues is the hot cake now

[cinder crane]

BICKETY BUCK BUMBLE

[tepid lynx]

i'm vibing to this song but my dogs left the room

[cinder crane]

I’m playing it on blast in my car for my family

[winged summit]

Probably already suggested but, the people with audio issues have tried to drop the volume on the Mister, not a little, but a looooot? Those audio chains where every part have some level of amplification can do that stuff often (and that why I’m obsessed with getting digital put and only amping at the end of the chain)

[faint imp]

I didn’t need any of this with my de10+ironclad lite so I think Taki should fix it

[cinder crane]

They’re not happy lol

[tepid lynx]

I did send an email to the support email, but that was before I found out poor analog audio is a universal problem.

[tepid lynx]

LOL

It builds character, your kids will thank you later in life

[dusky glen]

thats evil lol

[green sparrow]

Already went to half volume and still had the problem

Again, this only happens on the newest build for me. If I go back to an older build it goes away. Itms not a simple "the volume is too high" problem. The behavior of the new core is exposing an issue.

It's also not just "poor audio." The crackles happen in the exact same way every single time.

[faint imp]

Wait, this is not happening with an old version of the PSX core?

[faint dune]

im on whatever the latest core that update all pulls

[green sparrow]

Correct. If I go back to the April build, no problem

[faint imp]

Did you try with an old and new snes core version?

[pine ether]

what does bga means?

[faint imp]

Different chips packaging

[neon summit]

Ball grid array

[faint dune]

right but how tall is it?

[limber token]

Is that true ?

[nimble nest]

this applies to the io board i assume?

[gritty herald]

Crazy if true

[solid stratus]

1st part - wrong values is a cockup. But you don't get high-quality connectors on a cheapest board or it becomes expensive.
2nd part - as we now know the ram isn't failing, it's just slightly different timing on the response.

[lyric gull]

If the caps are the wrong values, at least it's something that can be fixed in the field and not an inherent design flaw.

[nimble nest]

so my $30 doesn't buy me a ferrari? wow... crazy...

[solid stratus]

Replacing smd parts is a bit tedious, but easy enough for anyone with the soldering gear unless they're physically hard to get to

[nimble nest]

who would've thought...

[lyric gull]

Yeah, not everyone will want to or are able to solder SMD caps but even a local electronics repairer will be able to replace them.

[solid stratus]

Any random 'fix your phone' shop should be able to sort it

[lyric gull]

Yup.

[solid stratus]

And given how little noise (ho ho) has actually been made about the audio so far, how significant is it? It won't affect anyone using HDMI I bet.

[lyric gull]

Nope, doesn't affect HDMI or optical output at all.

[solid stratus]

"it's a bit loud" and "ps is clipping" are all I've seen so far, which I'd think are the same issue?

[lyric gull]

We have special limited edition collector's editions now with wrong caps.

[solid stratus]

I don't want to unnecessarily downplay an issue, but it's not really seeming like a big deal

[lyric gull]

From what I've been able to tell, analogue audio isn't great on any setup, but especially shitty on the Taki IO board. So either way the answer is to get an external DAC.

[solid stratus]

True dat. The DE10 analogue audio is... well, it's not as bad as a Pi but that's a low bar

[neon summit]

Hopefully there will be fix diagrams at some point 👀

[limber token]

Yes, AV Board 9.2 Audio. I better cut the ram thing out, but forgot it.

Thought the add in pcb carry also a dac for audio?

[green sparrow]

Fastforward to the end if you want to hear the worst of it

[solid stratus]

Ooh, textured

That's not mis-specced filter components, I reckon

Has Robert weighed in on that being an SDRAM timing thing by any chance?

Sounds very digital rather than analogue to me

It's not volume clipping

Tried on HDMI?

[green sparrow]

No, I reported this yesterday in the PSX thread when the SDRAM hysteria was still at its peak

[limber token]

I understand it so, that the wrong cabs reduce the frequenz band of the audio out, as if a cd is played in 14 instead of 16 bit qualitiy.

[solid stratus]

Well, they act as a frequency filter/cutoff, which is slightly like reducing the bit depth

But not closely

[solid stratus]

May have been lost in the noise (sorry). Check to see if it's on HDMI or digital-audio too; if it is then it's more likely to be a digital issue not an analogue one so more in Robert's domain

[limber token]

Is the sound only in psx so bad ?

[tepid lynx]

It happens to me, too. Its only on analogue

[solid stratus]

Ok, so that's much more likely to be Taki's problem. It'll need some looking into if no one has yet

[tepid lynx]

I've not reported it in the psx channel myself, just here and to Taki in an email

[limber token]

Have not tested it yet

But my expectation was that sound and picture from 9.2 is better as analog 6.1

[solid stratus]

Marginally. Only if it has all the right components on though

[green sparrow]

New SNES core seems fine. I only have PSX issues

[green sparrow]

Yes

[dense zenith]

i have mister addons 2.9 ram in mine. ps1 is sounding ok so far.

[limber token]

Ok, than perhaps core relatet and not the caps. I will take a look in the schematics

[dense zenith]

i can switch ram. is it hdmi or analog that's the issue. tested both, so far its ok.

i can swap back to the taki ram

[limber token]

Its analog

[dense zenith]

seems ok so far, can compare to my other mister later

[open mist]

Can do

[limber token]

i ask me why the top? There are not many components on the top...

[clever topaz]

So far had no issues with my Mister Pi regarding ps1

The only real issue I had was with Dualshock 4, it just drops input randomly

[faint imp]

Did you try Parasite Eve intro with a wired headphone connected to the analog output?

[clever topaz]

No

[faint imp]

https://tenor.com/view/dew-it-galactic-republic-palpatine-gif-21847982

[clever topaz]

Gonna check it when I am back from work

[strong falcon]

Technically, no

[clever topaz]

Usually I am sensitive to audio crackling

Sometimes Rayman 2 and Donald Duck on N64 had a rare audio pop once per session

And these share same graphics engine

Both made by ubisoft

[tropic haven]

No access?

[sacred flint]

So no one reported to you that there were supposedly the wrong rated capacitors values as Ricardo is claiming? Just wondering about that part specifically.

[strong falcon]

His message makes it seem like this is something everyone has, and that is false. There is a very small group of people that can potentially have that issue, and if they do, it's 100% RMA.

[sacred flint]

Got it. Just wanted to make sure on that. Thanks!

[lyric gull]

I've noticed some boards have a 5 mm LED for the optical out and some have a 3 mm LED. Just normal component variance?

[limber token]

Is it the port itself, cause you want a top picture ?

[strong falcon]

Nope, the pictures can help me identify the batch.

[dense zenith]

i will bring up my other mister and compare the audio between the 2. i have a few setups.

not getting the popping issue so far

[limber token]

Ok, understandable. But is it not fair to play with open cards, so that people can look and check if they affected ?

[lyric gull]

For example, the two pictures of IO boards shared earlier have 3 mm audio LEDs. Correlation or unrelated?

[strong falcon]

unrelated

[lyric gull]

I.e. does that indicate the batch? Ah.

[strong falcon]

And crackle doesn't seem to be tied to anything I can ID without getting it back in my hands

I can't recreate it

[gritty herald]

Armed Police Batrider also bombs out with the MiSTer Pi

[lyric gull]

Fwiw mine doesn't have any crackle.

[sacred flint]

Crackle sounds odd to me, I figured it would just be a volume and maybe muffled sound issue if the caps were wrong.

Which is what one person here reported I can't remember the name of.

[strong falcon]

Todd entered the matrix

[gritty herald]

lol

[dense zenith]

a wild todd appears!

[dense umbra]

Is that one of the coin op cores that has unresolved memory issues ?

[tropic haven]

Are there more people having around 13 FPS in the first level (The Dam) of 007 - Goldeneye on the N64 Core? I only have an Mister PI, and thought it's maybe an issue with that 🙂 Or is this issue on the core? I can't find any YT video on it

[sacred flint]

To be fair, this bombs out with official de10-nano's and all versions of sdram

[limber token]

Ok, so we could only do a selftest if we are also affected?

[sacred flint]

It's had issues for years

[strong falcon]

Yes

[strong falcon]

Sounds correct

Well, not for the entire level

[sacred flint]

That low of framerate does happen at times in GoldenEye normally though yeah

Especially at certain angles and spots

[tropic haven]

Is that also on the original hardware?

😛

[cinder trout]

it’s hard to say without someone doing a side by side comparison