Nintendo 64

[weary palm]

there must be a way to accidentally create two identical cpak files.. hm

[wanton sun]

yes, that behavior is the issue. If you let the game "repair" the cpak, this doesn't happen

[weary palm]

i don't know how to replicate that

[wanton sun]

Which part?

[weary palm]

how to make it create two identical blank cpaks

[wanton sun]

for me it happens if i delete the save files on sdcard, then start the game

[weary palm]

with all 4 controllers set to controller pak?

[wanton sun]

yes

[weary palm]

can't make that happen. (San Francisco Rush 2049 (USA))

surely... it can't be something i accidentally fixed in my latest PR to main? i cleaned up the code for saving...

[vapid hawk]

is rob definitely on the latest main?

[weary palm]

the latest "official" main is four months old. grab the nightly one and try. 🙂

can't make it happen with the latest official either. must be using the wrong ROM then. or i dunno.

[vapid hawk]

iirc he doesn't use update-all so he could be way behind

[weary palm]

he really have to be waaaaaay behind then.

[wanton sun]

I only update when there is something I need 😅

Can try with the newest. But @weary perch had the same issue and is probably less lazy.

[weary palm]

strange

[wanton sun]

you are right, it works fine. We just need to update and remove the cpak saves once.
Sorry for the trouble.

[weary palm]

no worries

[weary perch]

i was testing that game back in 2023, so if those save files were inherited from before the change....

lol

so if i delete all Rush cpak files and restart with 4 cpaks inserted, i'll be prompted to repair 4 cpaks and then all works?

i did test last night with Robert's 0xFF pak and was able to dupe that over four times and get it to repair 4 times and then all worked perfectly

i guess i'll test it myself right now since i'm still on lunch break

[weary perch]

ok, i think the only issue was that i have been testing this core since very early on

my save files were originally generated long, long, long ago

[wanton sun]

you don't even need to repair, just delete the files, the auto generated ones work fine

[weary perch]

when i deleted all my files, the auto... yes what Robert said above 🙂

incredible, thank you and sorry for having anyone spend time on this. there is one benefit, which is that anyone else who has very old save files will like to know why their Rush 2049 might be crashing

[wanton sun]

double user error: use old mister main and use old save files, haha

[weary perch]

😄

we are extremely close to fixing all non-timing related errors on MiSTer

Ken Griffey title screen, Monster Truck Madness 64 text - not timing related seemingly

last bastions of issues

[wanton sun]

madden explosions

[weary perch]

yes

[weary palm]

https://tenor.com/view/w-george-w-bush-fool-fool-me-once-can't-fool-gif-6645306549258854042

[weary perch]

thank you for fixing this back in 2023 yxkalle 😄

[weary palm]

Ain't I great?

[wanton sun]

That you even remember after 2 years!

[zinc dew]

I love the Monster Truck 64 test issue, gives it character

[wanton sun]

Any issues with the test build? #1096015979055697940 message
If not I can release it tomorrow.

There was some analog audio issue with the previous one, but I think this was a timing issue, hopefully gone...

[weary perch]

i've been using it, no issues over HDMI

Wipeout 64 visual glitches are another probably fixable on MiSTer / non-timing issue

i love that "madden explosions" could also refer to him saying "boom, touch actin' tinactin"

i'll never get that clip out of my head

[weary palm]

Boing boom chack

[slow silo]

Same, or at least to the decompilation projects

[rugged nexus]

The analog audio problem is fixed for me! I have an hd-crt and was having an issue when not using the scaler on the 12/16/25 core, but on 480p, 540p, and 720p there was no audio issue. Regardless, everything is good now

[weary palm]

I think it would run pretty bad with all those extra polygons that were added to the DS port.

[tepid shuttle]

was talking less about the new models and more just the content itself

namely the extra characters and DS-exclusive levels. some of them have already been remade in other SM64 hacks

[plush summit]

For real

We need to play the DS stuff on the 64 engine

isnt that what the 3D does? Perfect Dark is most likely a patch than a simple overclock

[topaz otter]

MVG still thinks its 1998 and we use emulators with plugins

[plush summit]

I have the PD Performance Patch on MiSTer, works wonders on the Turbo core

[topaz otter]

he doesn't seem to know or care that fpga emulation has made incredible strides in a quarter of the time zilmar was working on project64

[plush summit]

MVG is such a weirdo when it comes to this stuff

Like, you love emulation, remastering, even working in the business, but not assed to actually ask people

[blazing knot]

I’m shocked that it runs as “well” as it does considering the performance of the vanilla game

[tepid shuttle]

he worked for limited run games up until a few months ago, so that should give you at least some insight

[blazing knot]

He does everything on an emulator already so he already has high resolution mario 64

[tepid shuttle]

kaze has been working on making his hack have optimal performance on console, so i don't think he does everything on emu

[blazing knot]

Dude knows his shit when it comes to N64 hardware and software but i remember one of his videos he talked about how how some of mario 64’s textures looked bad because of the way they were programmed and all of the examples were of in emu stuff

[blazing knot]

Oh yeah, I know

[tepid shuttle]

maybe easier to record footage that way? i guess

[blazing knot]

Quite. What I’m trying to say was that particular comparison wasn’t great because it was all using higher rendering resolutions where geometry seams between become way, way more visible

Otherwise he’s absolutely one of the most knowledgeable people in the world about mario 64

[zealous knot]

Am I the only one who barely sees a difference? I was watching on my phone, to be fair, at 1080p but apart from the odd texture it barely looks like an improvement. Maybe it's a bad level to show it off?

[blazing knot]

The hi-res one takes quite a bit longer to get to the ladder in the first part. I’m assuming here these are using pre-recorded inputs to make the comparison more fair

[latent dagger]

With the way that YouTube compresses crap, you really should be using the highest quality option. I see the difference quite clearly. You can very easily see the difference in sharpness and clarity of the railing when he's going down the walkway from the beginning of that timestamp

The left side looks smudgy and the right side looks sharp

The front of the gun is all cleared up to

[weary perch]

found a new crash on the N64 core unfortunately https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LD4yhiiEkLw

someone mentioned this issue on the ares discord and it turns out it happens on MiSTer too

on the plus side i've been running tonic trouble for awhile now and it seems like maybe it is no longer crashing

PAL version that is

[wanton sun]

At least we know that in the past 2 years no one tried a multiplayer game of Eikou no Saint.

[weary palm]

He's cool.

[plush summit]

He's a YouTuber first 😛

[topaz otter]

90 percent of the dudes videos are about xbox anyway

he really loves the xbox and doesn't seem to care a lot about anything else

[weary perch]

Tonic Trouble (Europe) seems to no longer crash, knock on wood. Had it running for hours now and it used to crash pretty quickly...

the NTSC version has always been fine, but PAL had issues

not sure why it'd be more stable now

according to the ares devs, they don't recall this game ever having crash issues on ares. i let it run for a long time on ares too, but it never crashed there either. so maybe something actually fixed this at some point, but i'm not sure what that would have been

[weary perch]

it also makes me wonder about Rayman 2 (USA) by the same developer which used to crash randomly and ares also had no report of. if this is fixed... maybe that doesn't happen anymore? and Rayman 2 is also one Ruleset tried to fix but the fix didn't work

lol

misteries indeed

[vapid hawk]

MVG did a ton of work in the xbox homebrew scene back in the day

like, probably over half the emulator ports iirc

[mortal panther]

Yes, very involved.

[vapid hawk]

and they were good ports too

before him it was pretty crummy

[jolly turret]

So what's the consensus on the 8bitdo 64 controller by now? Does it have any dropouts when using it with the Mister? What about the stick values reaching max values before the stick physically reaches the gate? Does the Mister compensate for it?

[weary perch]

i use it on MiSTer with the latest firmware update and have no complaints

it was patchy before the latest

[vapid hawk]

mister will compensate for pretty much any analog stick at this point

[weary perch]

several issues have been fixed

[mortal panther]

It works great for me so far.

[vapid hawk]

the build quality seems potentially bad? (corey snapping the cap right off just proding it)

[jolly turret]

Awesome! I decided to finally give it a go. I at first decided to wait for the M64 controllers, but these don't have a menu button.

[weary perch]

mine seems pretty sturdy tbh

[mortal panther]

I've been using an 8BitDo Ultimate for various other things for quite a while, so the form factor being very similar was a welcome surprise, too.

[weary perch]

it's not perfect, it's a bit sensitive, but it is probably the best modern N64 pad as far as I'm concerned

better than Tribute, better than Brawler

[mortal panther]

I loved the Brawler... until I used the 8BitDo. 😉

[vapid hawk]

what are the triggers like?

pure digital?

[weary perch]

yes

[jolly turret]

I don't think the N64 used any triggers where you would require analog buttons with partially pressed states.

[little socket]

Does yuke yuke trouble makers work without issues on mister (and for conpletuons sake tjat analog thing)?

[weary perch]

well, unfortunately Tonic Trouble (Europe) still does crash on the core randomly

it took many hours but it finally hung up during the attract mode

[sullen harbor]

He's literally one of the original xbox hackers

[digital remnant]

Hopefully you didnt do that for M64 development🤣 🙈

[weary perch]

something interesting (but also maybe a red herring) with the Tonic Trouble PAL crashes. there are no reports of it happening on ares, including me recently running the attract mode for quite a few hours on the latest nightly. but i do notice that it almost always happens in the room with the inverted red pyramid platforms that appear and disappear and shuttle you around

i don't think i've ever seen it happen during the intro cutscene, and probably a majority of the time the hangs are in that same scene

unfortunately it's not 100% limited to that scene, but it's weirdly overrepresented for it to be truly random

if it really doesn't ever occur on ares (which fails almost all the same timing-related issues as MiSTer, plus a few more) it might just be a real bug that isn't timing related...

or at least, maaaybe timing related in a way that is solvable? who knows.

but effectively every other crash situation on MiSTer has analogous behavior on ares, so if this one really doesn't then that's curious to me

[weary perch]

this is the scene i get the majority of crashes in in Tonic Trouble (Europe)

[wanton sun]

Unfortunatly this is nearly impossible to research due to the random DDR3 timing.
I will however be able to research such things on a system with non-random timing, in case they happen there at all.

[weary perch]

i have a suspicion that it is the high end rather than the low end of DDR3 latency that causes this, if that makes sense? race condition where something arrives too early? i only put that forth because A) this doesn't occur on the NTSC version, and never has B) it doesn't occur on ares, which has not-perfectly-accurate timings but is more deterministic, and in particular C) ares runs this game notably closer to hardware timings when comparing the intro cutscene performance to MiSTer. MiSTer runs some scenes at basically double-speed. all these factors make me think it could probably be mitigated similarly to the other issues Ruleset has patched, if nothing else

i can probably test for this by messing with the debug settings a bit to introduce some delays

DDR3 delay to 56 or something could hypothetically prevent the crashes

possibly make the intro perform closer to hardware... and maybe it doesn't crash on the slow end haha. i'll poke at it

[rustic pewter]

Does nobody have stick value test results for the 8bitdo after the latest firmware update? It was definitely way off before, so it would be very nice to have actual measurements indicating how much better it's gotten and whether it still has any significant problems at all. The stick value issue is the entire reason I've been holding off on one. I and many others would appreciate it if anyone with the controller could run it through the test ROM at their convenience.

[covert bough]

Someone did one a while back in this thread

iirc it was more or less aligned with the “correct” values

[rustic pewter]

Ah, thanks for letting me know. Where can I find the latest core builds? VGE mentioned them being in this channel, but I'm having a little trouble finding one of them

[covert bough]

https://discord.com/channels/647909397477195803/737506076806611064

[rustic pewter]

I might be missing something, the search shows the last mention of N64 in #test-builds was in 2024

[mint shadow]

For the N64 core, check the pins in this channel. #test-builds is rarely used for anything but it is sometimes used, #unstable-nightlies is used more regularly when devs push to the repos, but NOT for the N64 core.

[rustic pewter]

Awesome, thank you very much

[covert bough]

Forgot the n64 core is in update all now. Can also check the github

[steel timber]

I can't play pokemon stadium2,mario cart can run well,i use latest core1218,change about 10 roms,all failed,just black screen after the N64 logo,now i have no idea...

[random bloom]

Step one, cold reboot followed by turning it off and on again and trying again. Sometimes it just has a moment.

Step two, run update all to make sure everything is all good. Could also manually re-add the latest N64 core.

Step three check your game dumps, make sure they're from a known source like redump. Random rom sites often have bad dumps.

[steel timber]

I tried different games,all can play but stadium2,stadium1 can play too,roms are from the same source,the problem only on 512m game i guess

[wanton sun]

are you sure you have a 128Mbyte ram stick and not a 32Mbyte one?

[wanton sun]

This random timing issue is really horrible in both directions:
N64 games could never really rely on timing as the unified memory will cause the normal program flow to change in every game build due to e.g. what time VI is fetching data from the framebuffer to send it to screen. However on a fixed build after development is done, it is relativly fixed or at least in a small area because VI clock is asynchronous and never fully deterministic even on original console.
We now alter the timings on mister and not in a static situation like some software emulator would, but rather completly random.
So we test the game in billions of possible timing situations. It can easily be that some these are a crashing race condition. Either by a bug in the game or a bug in the core.
If we limit this with fixed and 100% reproducible timings, some of these would just not occur. Even a true core or emulator bug can be easily be hidden forever in such a situation.

[weary palm]

Cycle accurate N64 emulation is nothing but a Peip dream.

[wanton sun]

Who wants to make a pull request for Ares to introduce asynchronous VI/AI clock to give the devs something to do?
Why should only FPGA devs have fun?

[weary palm]

"fun".

Tell us how you really feel.

[weary palm]

I've noticed that the firmware they use "sticks" to the corners of the octagonal gate. They compensate for hardware inaccuracies with software. It works, but trying to aim slightly off to any of these 8 directions and it will adjust your angle to match the "pure" direction.

I'm not good at explaining.

[steel timber]

Yes I'm sure. Now i have something new,my friend use hdmi,the game can run well,i use crt,is there any difference? And i find i can turn on error overlay in video settings,and i see the error code is "00000040" when black screen

[steel timber]

Maybe i know the reason, the problem is the ram quality,my friend change a defective ram then reproduce the issue,so it's a hardware problem,i need to change a new ram,I'll test it a few days later

[zinc dew]

Nintendo 64? more like sucktendo suckyfour

[iron wren]

Evil Robby be like: I own 0 sucktendo suckyfour cartridges

[zinc dew]

omg i love it

[lament escarp]

The sucktendo suckyfor was a real device in Europe for... lonely adults. Sadly it was not the safest device.

[latent dagger]

Where are you getting your ram from?

[digital remnant]

Why are random ram timings no problem for software emulators? 👀

[zinc dew]

I imagine because of the raw horsepower on PCs and they’re not emulating console behavior at a hardware level. So they can create a software environment where it meets all timings.

[lament escarp]

So basically... the devs are lazy?

[magic girder]

Water is wet

[topaz otter]

because its software

high level emulation, accuracy isn't important and speed is

mario64 on project64 might be innacurate as hell and hit all kinds of timing quirks and glitches, but it hits its target framerate fast as hell thanks to a bunch of frameskips and hacks built in the emulator to avoid all of that low level garbage

[weary palm]

UltraHLE is where it's at.

I remember tryig out the first Emulator when they arrived. They could only play homebrew ROMS, but I still followed the progress. UltraHLE was quite amazing. This core has gave me the same feeling. Over two years ago now. 🙂

Trying to remember the name of any of those really early ones...

Project Unreality.

StarFox was the first one I played. 🙂

It was not that hard on the computer and emulated well.

Probably. When developers add a lot of custom low-level codes to their games (instead of/on top of using the Nintendo SDK), it becomes impossible to do "High Level Emulation" (HLE).

I'm no expert, but you pretty much replace the "engine" of the game with computer (x86) code. This was possible because of Nintendos SDKs, because they made the games share a lot of code.

[weary perch]

@wanton sun - we were looking at Pro Mahjong Kiwame 64 (Japan) which crashes when you get to the point where the game tries to use the controller pak. @viscid gate was able to test it with SNAC and confirm it actually still hangs there even with SNAC.

this is something you could probably look at in the software emulator since it happens immediately after booting up the game

[weary palm]

Does it work is software emulators like Ares?

[weary perch]

ares fails in an identical way to MiSTer

there's a brief load while the game accesses the controller pak. on hardware, it has a blank screen for a moment and then shows an autosave warning

on MiSTer/ares, the game hangs on the blank screen

if no controller pak is inserted, the game does not hang

but you can't save, because this is the only time the game will ever accept a controller pak being inserted

it never recognizes it after the fact

apparently this game uses the controller pak to autosave, which is rare for N64 games using it

they almost always prompt you explicitly

[weary palm]

but you can start without a pak in an insert one later. maybe?

what happens if you start the game while holding START, btw? that opens up a save handler for all CPAK games.

[weary perch]

you can't insert a pak later in this game

it only accepts it right after the title screen

i just tried pre-placing a valid .cpk file converted from hardware for the game to use, but it still hangs in the same way

i'll see what it does when holding start

hm. it loads the cpak manager fine but it doesn't see anything even though it should be seeing the save

oh i forgot the mister need _1 for cpaks, let me retry

[weary palm]

weird bug

[weary palm]

I made it like that. Sorry xD

[weary perch]

hehe, it's not bad i just need to make sure i do it right

[weary perch]

RE: Pro Mahjong Kiwame 64, even if we import a valid save for the game from hardware and play using that same controller pak using SNAC, the game still hangs after pressing Start on the main menu @wanton sun

[digital remnant]

Not really, look at ares

[weary perch]

the game gets past that screen in the N64_80MHz core, but i haven't gotten it to actually save anything after that. it might help if i knew how to play mahjong

[weary perch]

OK so changing one of the options menu works to save the game, and was confimed working on N64_80MHz

thanks @viscid gate for helping to look at this

not sure why the game hangs on the normal core, but at least there's that

[topaz otter]

whats crazy about this thing, is the fact that I was using it to play ocarina of time on my computer, while the game was still being commercially sold

and with a glide wrapper on a radeon card, it just worked

granted that the roms were 25 megabytes and on 56k internet they took about three hours to download

people today don't realize just how this thing literally rocked the emulation landscape

[slow silo]

I remember the GBA actually had an emulator for it before the system even RELEASED

[upper pivot]

Yeah, although that emulator was super inaccurate and only played some initial homebrew (most of which did not work on actual hardware)

But still quite cool nonetheless

[wanton sun]

Thank you both for investigating it. Great that you added all the finding in the github issue.
Unfortunatly this seems to be some timing issue, rather than a logic issue, so I doubt I can fix it easily.

[wanton sun]

Usually they do not work with random timings and even less with asynchronous timings.
E.g. if every ram access takes 20 cycles, but every 50th takes 25 cycles due to refresh, you will not find such a thing in most software emulators.
But even if, it would still not be random, as it's predictable.
True random timing would mean you load a savestate and every time you load it, the game behaves different in next few frames already.
This is of course horrible to debug.

[main inlet]

Emulating timings has been a limitation of most software emulators for so long now. I believe that was one of the main reasons Street Fighter 2 was never properly emulated at home until the CPS MiSTer core. I know there was talk about MAME applying the timings from the CPS core, but I've never gone back to see if that ever happened. It's really great to see devs taking this in to account for MiSTer cores, even if it is a massive PITA.

[digital remnant]

Thanks, but why are the ram timings random on mister but not on PC? I guess thats the question i should have asked 😄

[digital remnant]

Ares emulates timings, they just dont know all timings yet (like rdp). So its not a technical limitation of software emulators. Only input lag is i think, you can mitigate that with things like run ahead, but it cant ever be zero (except you program a bare metal emulator and circumvent uefi somehow) with fpga no input lag should be possible though

[hushed nova]

mister ddr3 ram access is shared with the linux system and goes through a memory controller

this controller manages refreshes etc, so a lot of the timing is out of the fpga-side's hands. so sometimes you just get more request latency

[wanton sun]

Yes, as Zakk said, it's because of the shared DDR3. Most cores use SDRAM for main ram so the timing can be fully controlled.
But one sdram is not enough to cover the RDRAM bandwidth and even with two it would only be enough for 8 of the 9 bits.
DDR3 is fast enough(in fact easily 100% faster than required), but access delay can be anything from 15 to 150 cycles, with average at around 20 or so.
Because of the bandwidth being higher and the average latency being lower than n64 needs, it works and most games are very forgiving.
Well in fact, if games where not that forgiving and act more like some NES or gameboy titles, software emulation would be in trouble as well.
Because as you told: it's not only that we cannot fulfill the timings 100%, several of them are not even known yet.

[bright lotus]

literally my introduction to emulation

when I bought a bootleg CD with UltraHLE and a bunch of N64 roms in late 1999

I didn't even realize Nintendo 64 was a console

[hasty musk]

downlclock ddr3 a little or to sdram, just asking @wanton sun

[lament escarp]

Tldr: n64 emulation is a mess in 2025. 😅

[neat sierra]

That’s just a regression in the core that hasn’t been fixed, CPS2 matched at one point and will again I’m sure since it looks like grego is running tests again

Oh CPS1 that’s tricker because the hardware is variable as well, not sure on that

Anyway off topic SORRY ROBBY FOR LIVING

[digital remnant]

Omg, thats wild! 😄

[digital remnant]

Thank guys very much for explaining! 🙂

[zinc dew]

You will be judged!

[neat sierra]

I have dishonored this channel and will commit seppuku my lord

[tepid shuttle]

the guyver...

[low lion]

Bae fu nau.

[topaz otter]

did you live under a rock?

mario madness was a global phenomenon

[bright lotus]

I had no internet, in eastern europe

I wasn't aware Nintendo 64 was a console until 2005

we absolutely never had a chance of seeing N64s in the wild because you couldn't feasibly make bootleg carts

same reason why we never had Sega Saturns and yet PS1s and Dreamcasts exploded in popularity and were everywhere

[magic girder]

Wat

[lament escarp]

It's french.

[zinc dew]

Makes a ton of sense, honestly,

With the N64, bootlegging became possible early on but you needed expensive proprietary hardware for that, so that wasn’t feasible for most people.

[lament escarp]

I could've done it quite easily but didn't since it's a crime in my country.

[zinc dew]

My friend in high school had a video game import / export business to South America and that included a ton of bootlegging devices and chips lol.

[lament escarp]

The crime! And our Daimyo in the midst of it!!!

[magic girder]

Ur French

[lament escarp]

Yeah the claire obscure game is actually about my life.

[topaz otter]

they didn't have nintendo after they brought down the wall?

and I didn't have the internet until 1995, and I live in the US

[bright lotus]

we had Dendy's and that was the only thing close to "nintendoes"

I didn't have proper internet until 2005

[bright lotus]

yeah

a bunch of crappy famiclones

[tepid shuttle]

some of the famiclone designs are completely unhinged

for a while, i've had the idea in the back of my head to buy one, gut it, and shove a mister inside

[bright lotus]

yeah

[bright lotus]

it's so cute and smol

they really thought N64's trident is majestic

[tepid shuttle]

i have to respect it

[dense rapids]

First time posting on here - Howdy and Merry Christmas!

Quick question... I have an NSO N64 controller, but I just cannot get the analog stick working with the N64 core.... Tried all the tried and tested mapping workarounds, but nothing seems to work once I launch a game. (via bluetooth)

Any ideas what I'm missing? Thanks!

[latent dagger]

You mapped analog in mister main right? You didn't get to analog part then cancel out did you? You need to get through the entire mapping process. Usually requires a keyboard to hit the skip key to skip mapping the stuff you don't need

Or you can use a secondary controller like a PS4/5 controller and press the PS button to skip

(unless I'm wrong about that button but I'm pretty sure that's the one you use to skip)

[dense rapids]

Thanks - Do you just map d-pad for everything in main menu and then analog right at the end?

There's a stick tilt right and down near the start of the mapping process, which i define using the analog stick, then go through the rest of the mapping, where at the end you get tilt right and down again, so i repeat the analog stick mapping.
Launch the core, then define the N64 buttons with the D-PAD, NOT the analog stick, but still both inputs are DOA when trying to play a game.

[latent dagger]

As far as I'm aware as long as you went through the whole process in main then the analog stick should work in the cores.

Make sure the first controller in the core menu is set to cpak.

I've never used an NSO controller though only my PS4/5 controllers which work fine until I bought real N64 controllers and a SNAC adapter

I'm going based off using other BT controllers and what others have said in here

[dense rapids]

Nope... still no cigar 🙁

THanks for your help though

FIXED IT! Had to nuke all existing config files related to N64 controller setups and start afresh - Worked first time!

[unreal sundial]

And the Pegasus but not sure if it got to Ukraine much, it was in other eastern countries. Copyright law was put in place I think around (edit: just a few years before) the n64 launch, at least in Poland where they were made

[weary oyster]

What's this tube-like thing jutting out from the top?

[neat sierra]

Breathalyzer port, you have to have a below limit BAC before you can start your Mario kart engine

[topaz otter]

if this is supposed to be a penguin, why does it look like mr popo from dbz instead

[tepid shuttle]

did we watch the same dragon ball z

[topaz otter]

probably not

but it doesn't look that much like a penguin either so tell me what I'm looking at

[zinc dew]

The Power Games famiclone

[topaz otter]

this doesn't help my visual association at all

https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEhn2pwD5g345JyIMT-NEoipWwW7LYzEmnSRAjdTRogZDTWTmSA-SDdLGfaaufw6zidzt9En8SFbPvYFjKZOCM8rk4jTs9-t51kOmZALO3rhTPeClTSZ3mwtVi3Hf2N0ojPAklvyzU8zTfty/s400/Power+Games+Famiclone+(5).png

ok its eyes glow, what the actual fck

[zinc dew]

in Brazillian portuguese, the word penguin is pronounced famiclone

[paper crescent]

I wonder what happens if you put a JP Sqoon cart in it. It has an LED light on it!

Though there's also a version without the LED (I have the one with the LED)

[desert crow]

my guess is the zapper

[atomic stratus]

is the random crash in Rayman 2 still happening in the core? Kind of have the urge to play that again because I got that game for Christmas when it was new

I actually never beat it

[weary perch]

very likely yes

most of the crashes are unfortunately probably not solvable on MiSTer

Ruleset tried to make a patch for Rayman 2, but the first attempt didn't work - the game still crashed

that's really the hope for the remaining crashes, that Ruleset or someone else is able to make patches for those too haha

Eikou no Saint Andrews, Iggy's Reckin' Balls (NTSC), Pro Mahjong Kiwame 64, Rayman 2 (USA), Tonic Trouble (Europe), Wipeout 64 (Europe), Wonder Project J2 all have unpatched crashes

Tom and Jerry in Fists of Furry hangs on a blank save if you don't initialize data, which could be considered a crash as well. that one should be fixable on MiSTer tho

[slow silo]

Wonder Project crashes? And no auto patch?

[hidden bolt]

Wonder project doesn't crash on the turbo core I think. And yes, for Rayman 2 I tried some of the timing related patches that worked for other games but no luck. Since the crash happens during the controller pack save I guess the problem might be there.

[wanton sun]

Unfortunatly it's very unrealiable, so hard to research.
E.g. if there is a difference with SNAC, 1 vs multiple pads/paks, timing related(turbo core), ...

If we could at least create a savestate before it happens, it might be much easier to try multiple times and see a difference

[weary perch]

as far as reliable, Eikou no Saint Andrews, Iggy's Reckin' Balls, Pro Mahjong Kiwame 64, and Wonder Project J2 can all be reliably crashed at specific spots. Wipeout 64 (Europe), Tonic Trouble (Europe), and Rayman 2 (USA) are the last unpatched random crashes

[hidden bolt]

Yeah it takes about 2 hours of playing the same short level repeatedly to trigger a crash for sure. So a save state might help with that.

[weary perch]

Tom and Jerry has a reliable hang but that one i think is something simpler, some init thing

[zinc dew]

I haven’t crashed on Rayman 2 but I also only played like 30m of it lol

[weary perch]

the crash has actually been in the core since the game became playable, someone mentioned it here long before i became aware of it

it seems to happen more often later in the game? for some reason

it only happens on level end screens

and yeah it's relatively rare so very annoying to test

the Tonic Trouble crash is also relatively rare but it can happen anywhere so despite it not being that common, you are sure to encounter it if you try to actually play the game

Rayman PAL and Tonic Trouble USA don't crash so there's that haha

[magic girder]

Shame that it’s PAL Rayman that’s fine

[zinc dew]

You know where else Rayman 2 doesn’t crash?

Nintendo Switch Online

[magic girder]

[magic girder]

In my heart?

[bright lotus]

are you stuck with PAL roms on NSO if you're yuropean or it's all NTSC?

[blazing knot]

the sega dreamcast version

[cyan dome]

nso has both versions usually

[atomic stratus]

Thanks for elaborating! This might be a dumb question, but I know there are 60Hz hacks out there for other PAL games…is it feasible that someone could do a 60Hz patch for PAL Rayman 2 and that could potentially be a workaround? I guess we wouldn’t know unless someone tried it 😅

[weary perch]

if the game still works (depending on the level of PAL optimization and other factors, sometimes to 50Hz->60Hz hacks don't work properly), it probably would still crash in the same way. i think the issue with these are the random DDR3 timings so the reason those regions don't crash is probably because their timing is slightly slower/faster respectively

also has anyone played Rayman 2 PAL long enough to be certain it never crashes? i know i haven't

i could basically confirm Tonic Trouble USA doesn't crash because the PAL version crashes on the attract mode so you can just let it run

[atomic stratus]

ok yeah that makes sense and I was thinking that patching it might just bring up the same issue that causes the crash

[sullen harbor]

I wonder if the same glitch crashing Rush is what's crashing Rayman since it seems tied to cpak

[weary perch]

i had overlooked that SF Rush (Europe) issue, it appears it still crashes on the latest core

it happens even with no controller pak inserted, notably

that's easy to reproduce at least

no, this is old

it works in the 80MHz core, but for some reason crashes on boot on the normal core

ok my list should be relatively up-to-date now including links to mirror issues in ares https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1HiL-vHgpL5Wj0iv88EGtMYcmcf9sml35W3sQgRPz2wU/edit?usp=sharing

i made a "consolidated" list so it's not so many rows of regional variants

easier to see the actual scope of issues etc.

worth remembering N64 shouldn't even be possible on the DE-10 nano hardware. given the constraints, the experience is excellent for nearly all games

on future hardware most of these issues will be instantly solved

i get very curious about some of these things on Analogue 3D

i don't like constantly bugging people to test things tho haha

and i don't think i'll be buying one

[mental citrus]

Nintendo 42?

[slow silo]

The PSX version? 😛

[weary perch]

oh wow, the Rush PAL crash is actually semi-random

if you keep resetting the game eventually it loads

also sometimes if you wait long enough on the black screen it will load a partially glitched title screen and freeze there?

strange stuff...

i had left my mister on a black screen crash and left the TV, and came back later and it was on the Rush title screen with a little horizontal stripe missing lol

this smells like another one of those borderline timing issues 🙁

[sullen harbor]

If anyone want to experience the N64 version of rayman 2, the pc version is feature identical and there is a fixup mod on PCgamingwiki
People fondly remember the Dreamcast version but the most feature rich and balanced sku is the PS2 rerelease RAYMAN 2 REVOLUTION

My personal view of worst to best of all versions is PSX>N64>PC>DC>PS2

[magic girder]

Shouldn’t your inequalities be the other way around?

[blazing knot]

I’ve always been fond of the N64 version tbh, it’s graphic style was perfectly tuned to what the N64 could produce

The Dreamcast version is great too of course

[sullen harbor]

The N64 is THE ORIGINAL version, everything else comes from it

[blazing knot]

Yep, exactly

We don’t speak of Rayman DS though

[magic girder]

How likely is a crash on the core? Can you still play through the game, or is it super frequent?

[atomic stratus]

I’m stubborn and HAVE to play it on N64 so I can truly feel like I’m injecting the nostalgia straight into my veins

[topaz otter]

https://tenor.com/view/i-dont-believe-you-whatever-lies-gif-3602502

[sullen harbor]

Turn the resolution down to 480 and use a saffun controller on your pc

[weary palm]

https://youtu.be/QinQxSkW4ac

[spare meadow]

I played for a few hours with no crashes.

[bright lotus]

Gog version has been updated to include the fixes

[ivory laurel]

This is so good! I just sent it to my brothers 😊

[magic girder]

Thanks

[weary palm]

30 messages left 'til we reach 100, 000

[lament escarp]

Are we there yet?

[neon heron]

and message 100,000 is probably going to be Robby saying something like, “I don’t like the N64….”

[lament escarp]

The man is notoriously hard to please.

[atomic stratus]

the user that posts the 100,000th message should get a special gift….a copy of Quest 64 perhaps?

[lament escarp]

Quest 64 is better than ff7 anyway.

[neon heron]

quest64 is over 9x better than ff7

~9.14285714x better

[lament escarp]

Roughly approximately, yes.

[weary palm]

Is that 64/7?

[lament escarp]

I'm serious though, Quest 64 is way more relatable. Y'all aren't cool and acrobatic blond guys that swing a massive sword, get all the girls and protect the world from corporations and aliens.

Y'all are little solitary goobers that waggle a stick around.

So q64 wins in the end.

[magic girder]

19

[blazing knot]

Are you calling me a loser?

[weary palm]

Yeah Quest 64 will always be seen as the better game by most people.

[lament escarp]

I'm calling you a Brian.

[magic girder]

Never, friend

[lament escarp]

When @magic girder is starting to call everyone friend he just wants to hear how special he is and a big hug. Let's all give him what he wants.

[slow silo]

If Quest 64 is so great, how come I have never heard of Quest 1-63?

[lament escarp]

Because you're a fake fan, obviously.

[slow silo]

😲

[atomic stratus]

they were all obscure famicom/super famicom releases that the West never got...I believe one of them was called Doki Doki Panic?

[neon heron]

You visiting vge for Christmas?

[weary palm]

6 more...

[topaz otter]

I don't want that, not even if its free

it should instead be considered punishment by the 100,000th person banned by robby

[atomic stratus]

Let’s say you are comment #100k and you receive a package from the Official MiSTer FPGA Discord™ with a pristine copy of Quest 64….how are you disposing of that generous gift from the community?

[topaz otter]

https://tenor.com/view/riniredrum-garbage-star-wars-princess-gif-10879617

also by 'pristine' copy you mean one that doesn't have kevin's name written on it in magic marker

[zinc dew]

Quest 64 is an alright game. It’s like someone took a very early NES RPG and made it 3D in terms of structure and plot, but then gave it a neat battle system.

[neon heron]

Waiting for “actually it is the best game!”

[topaz otter]

the amount of copies of quest 64 I saw for rent at blockbuster back in the day would shake your very soul

I think most of the sales from that game, blockbuster was responsible for

that and the game...whats the one with the glove from the hamburger helper box that pushes the ball around

[iron dove]

Glover

[upper pivot]

I loaded up Donald Duck 64 thinking it might be easy for my 4yro to play around with… noooope lol

[latent dagger]

So this is what we get for the 100k? A Q64 comment?
You had the world in your hands Robby.... The world.

[lament escarp]

Excuse me, Sir. Some of us happen to LOVE NES RPGs. So what you're describing is a glowing recommendation of the game and I'll take it as such. 🙏

[scenic vapor]

Shiren 2 is a nice roguelike that was fan-translated recently

[lament escarp]

Where is the neon genesis 64 translation everybody is waiting for? 😭

[tepid shuttle]

that's like one of the big japan-exclusive N64 games that i'm surprised doesn't yet have an english patch

animal crossing translation was never finished either iirc. neither was doshin the giant

[bright lotus]

NGE would require either implementing subs or actually putting dubs, aside from replacing all title cards into english variants

[lament escarp]

I know there is a korean translation. How did they handle all that?

[bright lotus]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oWnN1fV4_eQ

they definitely replaced all japanese assets with korean

except the voice acting

[lament escarp]

Seems like a good place to steal start

[bright lotus]

https://romhack.ing/database/content/entry/ONNv5JQBNs8FWu0C4oOx

[lament escarp]

I always felt like English is the middle ground when it comes to translations. Imagine if I translated it into German just so that the 5 people with taste here can play it.

[bright lotus]

It would be easy to take title cards from the show but this game has End of Evangelion previews as bonuses later on

[lament escarp]

Weird that so many obscure games get translations and one about the most popular anime franchise in history does not.

[simple current]

it's cuz evangelion's bad so no one wants to go through the trouble of translating that slop

[iron wren]

Is 1 game playable by Christmas??

[weary palm]

Yes!

https://youtu.be/sNNU0DZ34Gw

[hasty musk]

Does jet force gemini need a patch because of Copy protection, like it was in past?

[languid dune]

I believe the core auto patches most of the games that needed them before.

[topaz otter]

yeah, I don't think anyone has worried about the copy protection in the N64 roms in a long time

the one in banjo used to make you really tiny and you couldn't progress through the game

[devout belfry]

Wait do you have video of that? Cus ive never heard of it but if thats true its hilarious

Hows the new 8bitdo n64 controllers on this core? I saw some people complaining about stick sensitivity/deadzones on actual hardware, but i assume those can be adjusted in the core

[mint shadow]

They cannot

[devout belfry]

Cant what, be adjusted?

[wanton lava]

does anyone know what this error message is?

[green epoch]

you need the rom database. check your games/n64 directory. there should be a rom database text file

if it's missing, you need to run update all again

[mint shadow]

yes, the core itself has no settings for this. In MiSTer ini you could setup an N64 specific section to fiddle with deadzone values in that to achieve something.

[devout belfry]

Ah, gotcha

Well the original question still stands i guess: how y'all liking those controllers on the core?

[wanton lava]

I ran the update all again and still the same error message..what is the exact name of this database text file?

[mint shadow]

N64-database.txt in /media/fat/games/N64 you can download it manually here https://github.com/MiSTer-devel/N64_ROM_Database/blob/main/N64-database.txt

[wanton lava]

Same error after manually copy the ini file to the specific ..other cores work without issue....I'll manually create a new SD to try again

[zinc dew]

Did you download it as a raw file?

If you open the file on your SD cardis there a buncha of html?

[wanton lava]

Checking

[latent dagger]

That's the part that'll trip some people up is the raw thing

[latent dagger]

Are we sure it's not just a bad rom

[wanton lava]

Tried many

[latent dagger]

It's just sm64 right? Not modded or anything?

[zinc dew]

MiSTer FaST FaCTs

Ol’ Dirty Bastard was such a big GitHub power user that he wanted to help teach the world about how to properly grab files from there so he wrote the song “Shimmy Shimmy Ya”.

[latent dagger]

Lol

I know that when you download an rbf file, you have to do the raw thing. If you click on it and download it that way it'll still say it's an rbf file... But it's wrong.

[zinc dew]

Are your N64 roms from the No-Intro or Hardware Target Game Database sets?

[wanton lava]

Newly created SD Card with the ini file generated produce the same error...

Let me try to find another SM64 rom

[bright lotus]

this is definitely a bad dump

[zinc dew]

This isn’t helpful but it’s something on your end.

[latent dagger]

How did you make a new SD card so fast?

[wanton lava]

I ran the update all and it said completed...is it that fast?

[latent dagger]

Running update all isn't the same thing as setting up an SD card. Setting up an SD card is you reformatting the card and setting the whole thing up again with MiSTer fusion

[zinc dew]

@latent dagger u got this

[latent dagger]

That's why I was like how you do that so fast 😂

[wanton lava]

I formated using win32diskimager

[latent dagger]

Takes me like 30 min at least to do a full setup.

With Mr fusion and running update all and getting games transferred

[wanton lava]

with mr fusion iso

[latent dagger]

As for your rom. Try no intro on myrient. Or htgd from Internet archive

[wanton lava]

Same here.. 🙁

[zinc dew]

Yeah that’s not No-Intro or HTGD

Well I don’t think it is

[latent dagger]

Doesn't look like it to me

[wanton lava]

I forgot to mention I'm using the multisystem2...not sure if that matters

[latent dagger]

No it doesn't

The MS2 is a MiSTer system

[mortal panther]

I can't remember, but does the core support .z64 ROMs?

[wanton lava]

I read somewhere they advised to use .z64

[zinc dew]

Yes big endian

[mortal panther]

Never mind... brain fart.

[zinc dew]

Little endian supported too

[mortal panther]

Sorry, but reaching a bit here. Nothing much is making sense right now.

[wanton lava]

damn N64 core is so picky

Every other cores I tried working no issue

[zinc dew]

It’s not, surprised by the issues you’re having to be honest

[mortal panther]

What about a different game altogether?

[wanton lava]

I've tried diff roms...same

[mortal panther]

I would honestly try searching for HTGDB Gamepacks and using one of those.

[latent dagger]

You are running everything off the SD card right? Nothing external?

[wanton lava]

is this the latest Mr fusion?

[wanton lava]

Everything off SD

[mortal panther]

MiSTer main, you mean. MiSTer Fusion is just the utility used to create the SD card and install the necessary files to run.

But yes, that is the latest stable MiSTer main binary.

[wanton lava]

I just wanted to make sure I download the correct Mr Fusion iso 🙂

[mortal panther]

Yes, that is the correct one.

Everything else seems to be working properly, so you can be relatively certain that it ran properly. Just need to focus on the N64 core and its support files.

[zinc dew]

I would also start trying different games

Not just Bing Bing wahoo

[mortal panther]

Probably go into the Config folder on the SD card and delete anything that starts with N64 and try running the core again to recreate those files.

[chilly ember]

Is it not a bios issue?

[mortal panther]

The error message in the image above specifically references the ROM database.

But yeah, could be....

[wanton lava]

Let me try the other big hitter 🙂

[mortal panther]

Did you enable the BIOS downloader option in Update_All to grab the necessary pif files for the N64 core?

[zinc dew]

oh yeaaaaaaaah

[green epoch]

@chilly ember is right, there is no bios in their screenshot

@wanton lava Please don't post screenshots of Archive

[wanton lava]

Im sorry

[zinc dew]

Ok cool I was thinking the same thing too

[wanton lava]

noted

[mortal panther]

You're slacking, Robby. 😏

[cerulean elk]

God I hope this is AI 🤣

[wanton lava]

LOL

[wanton lava]

Let me try this one

[wanton lava]

I'll try this one as well

[mortal panther]

Missing BIOS file(s) is definitely your problem.

Sometimes it's easy to overlook the obvious... even for veterans (besides InsaneFriend). 😏

In the ..\Games\N64 folder you should have a boot.rom file for NTSC and a boot1.rom file for PAL.

[wanton lava]

Thank you everyone...waiting for the lady to get off the tv to try again 🙂

[zinc dew]

My kid is playing Switch 2 which is why I’m here, otherwise I’d be playing Hyrule Warriors right now lol

[cyan dome]

play your switch 3 instead

[turbid warren]

switch 2 the mister amirite?

[blazing knot]

switch 1 + switch 2 = switch 3

[mortal panther]

Switch Pro

...Series S

[latent dagger]

I remember when everyone thought them calling the next one the Xbox 720 was a good joke... Then they got the Xbox One 😂😂😂

[mortal panther]

...and that's when things started going downhill for the Xbox brand.

360 era was their peak.

[latent dagger]

PCMR never stopped being peak

[blazing knot]

It was lightning in a bottle for them, since Sony had such a big misstep initially with the PS3

and Nintendo wasn't competing on the same level

[mortal panther]

I don't think they even cared to. They were always about doing their own thing.

[latent dagger]

Then the guy in charge flubbed up with XBone and Sony had a chance to flip the script with PS4 even though they too were thinking of doing the same thing with always on and no game sharing nonsense

[blazing knot]

they kinda did until the Wii. The Gamecube was pretty competitive power-wise

[mortal panther]

True

Up to that point they were used to being the dominant player. It's like they didn't know how to play catch-up to anyone else after the GC.

[blazing knot]

SNES to Gamecube was that era when Nintendo actually did try to compete with hardware power

for consoles at least

NES was kind of anemic on paper but it was able to punch above it's weight thanks to clever hardware design

[latent dagger]

Nintendo finally hit their end point though with the switch cuz like... What do you do after that other than a more powerful upgraded version of that? Game consoles aren't custom unique things anymore. Mainly cuz of the advent of universal game engines and whatnot so the games are the same across everything and everything is just a PC by another name

[mortal panther]

Definitely true of the SNES, CPU power-wise.

[cyan dome]

NES was pretty good hardware in 1983

[blazing knot]

6502 was old news by then though

[mortal panther]

6502-based was all the rage.

[blazing knot]

lmao

conflicting thoughts

[cyan dome]

compares favorably to the other consoles released or planne in 1983

[mortal panther]

Old news... even though the C64 was released in '83...

[blazing knot]

it was pretty well established but Motorola was the hot new thing then

[cyan dome]

82 actually

[zinc dew]

I say this like once every couple of months but it’s true, Don Mattrick cost Microsoft tens of billions of dollars and the Xbox brand with his shit leadership

Sony could never have done the damage that guy did in two years,

[cyan dome]

when was he the leader of xbox

ive forgotten

[blazing knot]

6502 had been around since 75

[cyan dome]

no video game console admitedly use the latest in the latest of tech

[blazing knot]

true

[zinc dew]

2010 to 2013

[cyan dome]

in 83 it was pretty good in a console and NES was very competetive for years with newer systems coming out

[cyan dome]

lol the death of xbox era

[zinc dew]

Microsoft fired his ass so hard, but he’s a CEO so of course he voluntarily left and got paid big

[cyan dome]

of course theres the whole "microsoft shitting out the xbox 360 to make it before sony and accidentally making defective systems for years" thing costing a couple billion too

[wanton lava]

Childhood unlocked. Thanks again everyone!

[latent dagger]

I still remember when he said straight into a microphone and camera "if you want an offline console, get an Xbox 360"

[zinc dew]

I lost my job because of that asshole, the Xbox One was doing apocalyptic levels of terrible. Microsoft cancelled scores of external projects after their big reveal.

[wanton lava]

I remember that interview. He single handed took down MS since Xbox one

[zinc dew]

Anyways he went on to sabotage Zynga too and no one in the game industry wants to work with him.

[latent dagger]

Lol.

[zinc dew]

Another EA executive alumni lol

[latent dagger]

I remember Zynga exclusively for poker on Facebook

[mortal panther]

I'm embarrassed by how often I get that wrong. After all this time, I keep thinking about the year when I first got one. 😄

I should know better... 😏

[cyan dome]

my new video game corporation will release the new console the Piss 5

it is a executive level gaming system

[wanton lava]

Wow

[latent dagger]

Ok Mister richy rich and your three PS5s and 6 dual sense controllers

That's like $2000 worth of shit right there

Easy

[cyan dome]

theyre Nintendo Commodore 64s

they can play mario c64

[mortal panther]

Well... I don't have a SuperCPU for any of them, so they don't play it well.

The Ultimate 64 Elite does though.

[topaz otter]

I actually cant find any evidence of it at all

but I know it was real with pirated copies of banjo, I remember seeing screenshots of it

[mortal panther]

I think the source code for that one was leaked... but most of it is redacted.

[digital remnant]

does the new h264 libdragon demo by rasky work on the mister n64 core?

its awesome! 🙂

[blissful plaza]

It works on the core so far.

Some audio/video desyncs.

Maybe my USB stick is lagging (I had some issues with the Amigavision set loading longer than usual with it).

That will need a second test with another MiSTer @green epoch

[upper pivot]

I never played MM but loved OOT as a kid. Is it worth picking up MM or is the 3 day cycle thing super annoying?

[lament escarp]

It's really good but more focused on side content and a really short game (4 dungeons) if you just follow the main story.

[chilly ember]

Mm is great, 3 day cycle isn't so bad if you play the song of time backwards which slows the time by half

[mint shadow]

It's really not that annoying, there's ingame mechanics to skip time, or slow down time progression to ensure everything's managable. Very very rarely actually a problem that you don't have enough time to complete your objectives.

[upper pivot]

If time resets do you lose all progress?

[lament escarp]

3 day cicle was never an issue, you can slow time down to half. Some people just don't like that there is any kind of clock ticking in the background.

[upper pivot]

Or just in the current mission?

So basically the suggestion is do all the side quests otherwise it will be way too short lol

[chilly ember]

You lose rupees and what you did during 3 days but you keep your masks. You can bank your rupees so you don't lose them

[mint shadow]

If you skip most of the sidequests, the main game is probably around as long as OOT. No emperical evidence to back that up, just some rough judgements.

[desert crow]

make sure you have enough time when you start a dungeon, progress will get lost if you have to reset time

[vapid hawk]

The time stuff sounds stressful but really isn’t once you get past the first cycle and learn a few songs to control time

Yeah just don’t enter a dungeon on day 3 but that’s easy- every dungeon has a fast travel point infront of it

[cerulean elk]

Just copy and paste it lol

[topaz otter]

you dont lose any items or masks

but you do lose whatever progress you were making in whatever quest you were on

[upper pivot]

Ah okay so it’s kind of similar to losing all your hearts

[topaz otter]

did you play ocarina of time?

anything in the quest subscreen that you pick up is permanent, aside from a few exceptions. Each indivisual townsperson has a pre-set life that they live throughout the three days, so they might be in a different place on a different day

it may take almost the three full days to complete a person's quest

the dungeons also reset at the end of the three days but if you beat them whatever item you earned you keep. The whole goal is to eventually beat all dungeons and earn all masks until you are ready to face skullkid on the final night

then proceed to pummel his ass

[upper pivot]

Yeah I did

[topaz otter]

its the exact same game, even the assets are the same

they just added the three day time limit and its a bit darker than the other one, otherwise it plays the exact same

[weary palm]

It's very annoying.

[weary palm]

Getting ALL masks is quite the undertaking. Especially without a guide. I wouldn't recommend doing that for your first playthrough.

[fossil umbra]

just tested on the Analogue 3D, here have some error report screens:

[weary palm]

Interesting. Sorry for asking, but — what does this have to do with MiSTer? Just feeling competitive? 😅

[fossil umbra]

honestly I thought @digital remnant was the ROM's creator

as I couldn't find any other linkback to whomever posted the demo

and was just passing the info along if they were interested - assumedly for Analogue to fix, not the demo creator

[weary palm]

How the hell is an N64 capable of decoding H.264? Is the RDP a kind of DSP?

That's nuts.

I've actually never beaten MM.

I should do that.

[iron dove]

That's really impressive 🙂

Seems to work well with latest unstable

[upper pivot]

The RSP is

It’s another full fledged MIPS processor

[weary palm]

Ok, I won't spam anymore. 😂

[lament escarp]

Just out of curiosity: I take it these videos can't exceed 64mb and are 480i max?

[weary palm]

they're not interlaced. 320x240

[lament escarp]

Something inside me yearns to watch the lord of the rings extended trilogy on the n64. 😅

[weary palm]

And I don't know exactly where the upper limit is. Around 80MB if i remember correctly.

the rom has to fit inside the SDRAM

together with some other things

[lament escarp]

Given that the extended movies are split into 2 discs on bd (which I'd use) that might still work. 🤔 🫣

[weary palm]

what movies?

ah. the rings. sure XD

I'm not encoding that. that would take weeks on my poor laptop

seems like 112 MB is the maximum? If I'm not completely mistaken?

it's the upper limit for this core

so about 45 minutes per "cartridge".

not bad

[lament escarp]

Can't you lower quality to cram in something longer?

Also 45 minutes would fit most tv series snuggly per episode.

[weary palm]

maybe, but it's plenty shit already xD

[lament escarp]

C'mon it's all we got till we finally get the shreck mapper on gba! 😅

[weary palm]

those GBA video carts?

[lament escarp]

Exactly

[weary palm]

do they work on software emulators nowadays?

ok, i'm going to encode shrek for the lulz, but i can't upload it here becuz copyrightz

[lament escarp]

Sorry dunno about software emulators. Afaik the shrek mapper is the only one that supports 64mb so it's special on gba.

[weary palm]

...this is so stupid

cool that the videos work here but not in ares. quite impressive, me thinks

[lament escarp]

MiSTer wins again!

[weary palm]

this is going to look like absolute shit

[digital remnant]

I know, i tested already on A3D

[digital remnant]

Robert mentioned he implemented MI repeats on Mister, buts its not quite perfect yet, so I was interested how this new tech runs on the current state

[digital remnant]

I mean i mentioned in my original post its a new libdragon demo by Rasky and included the whole quote so....

[digital remnant]

It should work fine with latest ares version

Since it was developed using it lol🤣

[weary palm]

i tried v1.47

perhaps it's not a stable release

[worn delta]

@weary palm is Safety Dance now working???

[weary palm]

Yes, with another player. 😉

[worn delta]

Ah OK, wonder if the issue can be resolved on the core, it apparently works fine on the A3D

[weary palm]

I'm sure it can be, but I only care for the meme.

[weary palm]

I fit the whole movie in 61MiB btw.

libdragon wouldn't have it with roms larger than 64

[topaz otter]

its literally the same processor that was in those big silicon graphics workstations, just cut down

[weary palm]

it was also used in printers xD

[topaz otter]

the real shit is those development cards that went into the SGI Indy, that was basically an N64 on a card

[weary palm]

There may or may not be a copy of this fabled ROM on a certain archival site. Allegedly. I'm no telling.

AI is fucking scary... again.

[bright lotus]

Majesco could definitely do this

If you could make N64 carts on the cheap

[iron wren]

shrektendo 64

[digital remnant]

which video did not work?

[fossil umbra]

yeah however you quoted that message, it didn't show the source to me - as if it came from a private channel I'm not a member of. I'll look up Rasky in that case.

[digital remnant]

I just forwarded it from n64brew, you should check out that server

[upper pivot]

Can you post a link to it?

[digital remnant]

https://n64brew.dev/wiki/Main_Page

[weary palm]

@fallen sparrow

[weary palm]

@cerulean elk

[cerulean elk]

Eh?

[fallen sparrow]

Thanks, I'm streaming and will test this now.

Come and say hi

[fallen sparrow]

https://www.youtube.com/live/pkVW_sKIA5M?si=Fim9kWmk2tkczZNO

[topaz otter]

imagine a shrek n64 game made by Titus

[fallen sparrow]

Just tried it lol

Thanks

[weary palm]

Thank you too! I watch many of your videos. 😊

[cerulean elk]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=siIxrgoY5Gs

[digital remnant]

i tried all of your videos on ares v147, and they all work correctly from start to finish? which video gave you problems?

[weary palm]

All of them. Graphical glitches.

Perhaps i should reset the settings or something.

[fallen sparrow]

Thanks, appreciate the gift. You made my evening.

[weary palm]

Aw. My sweet cherry ninja... ♥️

[digital remnant]

works fine for me - did you test other games? maybe you need to update your graphics driver, do you use intel?

[cold pollen]

We gotta do everything we can, at 77 you don't have a lot of Christmases left

[topaz otter]

Mister bros gotta live long enough to see the N64 core clobber the Analogue in every category

complete scorched earth humilitation

then you have my permission to die

[tepid shuttle]

analogue users already humiliate themselves by buying analogue consoles

[topaz otter]

https://tenor.com/view/batman-bane-die-gif-14961270

[topaz otter]

this is true

[fallen sparrow]

I miss the days when I was 69

[chilly ember]

Nice

[tepid shuttle]

what if you were 67 instead

[ember pewter]

https://tenor.com/view/bosnov-67-bosnov-67-67-meme-gif-16727368109953357722

[fallen sparrow]

My boys, are doing the 67 stuff all day lol.

Even I've started joining in

[tepid shuttle]

https://tenor.com/view/rigby-cat-rigby-the-cat-67-67-meme-gif-790679381357533721

[fallen sparrow]

Is there a guide or a tool on how to convert files to vids?. I wanna do a guide video

[digital remnant]

You do have to develop a libdragon rom per video for that

[fallen sparrow]

Oh damn, so not a add and click solution

[digital remnant]

In the future i am sure you could create the videplayer rom and put converted videos on the sdcard of the flashcart

But this way you need at least to compile the sourcecode and replace the converted video each time

You can use libdragons videoconv64 to convert to the correct h264 format, but you cant do anything with it right now without a matching n64 rom

I guess you could create a guide how to install and setup libdragon with Docker, convert the videos and compile the videoplayer example - its not that complicated

https://github.com/DragonMinded/libdragon/tree/af39abeb0cce3e3d3d2e0f8bf37b94281c75bdb1/examples/videoplayer

[wanton sun]

Yes, it's slightly slower than it should be, because I was too lazy to implement true write bursts for such a rare used feature.
If required this could be added for about 0.1% more core logic utilization

[digital remnant]

Rasky said libdragon will use everywhere in the future, so i guess it will be worth it in the long run?

https://www.reddit.com/r/M64/s/TpJZowmjTi

[green epoch]

that dude is the reason I have a mister. well him and linus tech tips.

There is great shame in admitting that.

[lament escarp]

To be fair MiSTer kinda sounds like a scam when you tell people about it. "Oh yeah all these devices in one little box, no lag or performance issues since it uses exotic technology."

[green epoch]

well that dude was advertising a saturn with ODE and I messaged him and was like "I think I want one, does it have an HDMI mod". It didn't but he told me I should be able to add one, and in googling I found out about the saturn core and the retrotink 4k.

Tbf, I had been circling the mister for a while, but the idea of maintaining it seemed overwhelming. Then I read about update_all and that was that

[lament escarp]

I thought I'd only play nes and snes on mine.

[broken creek]

This resonates with me.

You should see the dead stares I get with “it emulates hardware at the bare copper level”

[wanton sun]

Possibly yes, but we have to consider that most of the mister users will play official games only and I rather have space left to still support them properly in 2027 than have these things and make e.g. the overclocked core nearly impossible.

Also it's not clear if the desync comes from that as I would assume the clear action from repeat writes doesn't make up for most of the calculation time.
The more critical reason is probably that the RSP in the core is still single issue instead of dual issue.
You could try if the turbo core is more in sync to see if it's a performance issue.

[topaz otter]

wait until you tell them that the N64 core is programmed by a literal wizard and theres a secret discord full of his acolytes where they share arcane knowledge

[slow silo]

True, I can see why people would be skeptial. "Yeah yeah, I once backed a game that claimed it was going to be incredible and use exotic techology to make the console do things it normally can't, and I never even got my copy of Paprium"

[slow silo]

I thought the core was already about as far as it could go on the DE-10? Regardless though, the way I see it it's not like new retail N64 games are going to come out, but plenty of homebrew games using libdragon are going to be coming out. I don't just play retail games, I love using it for romhacks and homebrew too.

[magic girder]

Yes, but it sounds like it’s a choice between making future libdragon games work and the core potentially being “frozen” and not getting updates (e.g. framework updates), or even having retail games play worse in the future if the speed cannot be kept high - or continuing to be updated and supporting retail games as well as it does currently, but future libdragon games not working well

I’d vote for the core being supported and retail games continuing to work well

The core is full, and it sounds like Robert is saving that 0.1% for if we need it in the future 😅

[pliant valve]

So a common homebrew library uses a feature that official games don't?

[digital remnant]

yes

gives a 3% speedup for h264 decoding for example

[violet marlin]

The GCC toolchain is 64 bit capable to be able to use the full R4300 capabilities (commercial games and libultra are based on a 32-bit ABI and is not possible to use 64-bit registers and opcodes with it)

This part seems relevant.

[digital remnant]

the 0,1% thing only referred to the MI repeat thing

[topaz otter]

isnt the whole point of this core to get high compatibility with retail games, and homebrew working is a bonus

[magic girder]

Exactly, yes

[tepid shuttle]

sounds like it's time to move on to the DE-25 nano

[magic girder]

Maybe my message wasn’t phrased very clearly. The issue is essentially that the core is full and so Robert has to be selective about what he adds. Supporting the retail library is obviously the priority, and there still needs to be a bit of wiggle room left to support future updates (bug fixes, framework updates) without making things worse for the games already supported

[weary perch]

@hidden bolt i've got a save file for the second chase sequence in Blues Brothers 2000. unfortunately there's not a particularly easy way to get to this exact spot in the level and it's the last level and has some extra devious platforming. are you using an emulator to debug? i could get you a save state in an emulator if that helps

i will put up a video showing how to get there. it's not that crazy but this giant cowboy chase guy is at the end of the level it seems so you have to go thru most of it

edit: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XA2VMdCg5kc
this uses to moon jump cheat (update_all seems to be able to download this for you) to make it much, much easier

there are some very easy cheats that help with getting there, too

if you tap Right 3 times on the d-pad you get an extra life, and there's a code to heal on demand too

Left Left Up Left Left on the d-pad maxes out your health capacity and heals you

reuploaded because the timestamp was weird on WinSCP, so i disconnected and reconnected to make sure it was the right file

[weary perch]

it is really honestly a huge pain in the ass to get there, going over the route now. save state would definitely be best for this

[zinc dew]

Is SNAC working on the latest core? I can’t get my N64 controller working. Could it be because it’s a unique variant?

[iron wren]

You’re not supposed to plug the snac adapter into a raspberry pi, just in case that’s what’s happening here

[desert crow]

That boy ain't right

[paper crescent]

That variant only works with Nintendo Labo.

[zinc dew]

lol it’s a drink coaster from the Nintendo Museum

[tepid shuttle]

how do you hold it? i can't figure it out

[slow silo]

I though the ideal end goal is to make it function as accurate to the original Hardware as possible, even if that meant features retail games didn't use

Though it's not possible to have 100% accuracy on the DE-10

[slow silo]

Robby is a cartoon? I guess he always did act kind of animated

[tepid shuttle]

i still stand by the "if it works on real hardware, it should work on mister" ideology, but that gets a bit muddy when you start running into the upper limits of what will even fit on the board

[wanton sun]

As the MI repeat is reaching about 80% of the required speed, this would still mean you get 2.4% speedup out of it, which makes it even more unlikely to be the issue.
The core is on average faster than a n64 due to higher ram bandwidth. Only some parts are slower:

• TLB page switch after TLB cache miss is up to ~80% slower (libdragon doesn't use that as far as i know)
• some FPU instructions are slightly slower(up to 25%)
• RSP currently cannot run vector and non-vector instruction in parallel. Potentially up to 50% speed loss. Realistically 10-25%.
  Last one is a good candidate, because typically this slower RSP doesn't matter as it's waiting for RDP in games anyway. But for video conversion, it possibly doesn't use and wait for RDP.

[pliant valve]

Would the De25 help?

Actually Terasic's site lists a DE25 Nano as $248 and a DE10 Nano as $225. Not a relatively big difference.

[slow silo]

From my understanding, it's not just a slightly bigger FPGA. If I am understanding right, the DE-25 Nano on top of just happening to conveniently add 128MB of SDRAM on-board, has two sets of 1GB of DDR4 RAM, one of which is dedicated to the FPGA, while the DE-10 has only one and it's shared between the FPGA and CPU. That sharing of RAM is the reason for some of the issues the N64 has with some of the memory timings.

Wait, since it still has the same amount of GPIO pins as the DE-10 but has 128MB of RAM on board does that mean it can go dual-RAM while still using the analog boards?

[magic girder]

I think so

But there’s still the issue of no framework or hardware yet 😉

And something about fractional PLLs which is a bit of a pain, apparently

[magic girder]

Everyone stands by this point - but you’ve got to be picky if the core doesn’t fit. If it’s a choice between no core, one that plays retail games as well as this does, or something that maybe plays everything badly and can’t be updated, I know where my vote would be

[lament escarp]

Ngl I don't know the name of a single libdragon game. Not sure if they're all that popular tbh.

[hidden bolt]

Thanks for the file, I will have a look at it. (If I can remember what I changed for the first chase level)

[magic girder]

Xenocrisis? Is that one?

[lament escarp]

I think you confuse it with xenogears on psx.

[magic girder]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xeno_Crisis

[weary palm]

https://n64squid.com/homebrew/competitions/n64brew-game-jam-2024/

[wanton sun]

To be fair: it's not like everything Libdragon would fail on the core. That's why I made the recent fixes and features: to support the latast changes of Libdragon again.
E.g. Xeno Crisis runs just fine.

The question is rather if some niche feature like the new video decoding must run at +-5% performance difference (we will never reach +-0% on mister) or if 20% is acceptable.

[wanton sun]

It has more logic cells and can run at higher clock speeds, so yes it would help.
It's unclear if the timings can be fulfilled completly. That depends on their DDR4 memory controller. But it would be a step forward for sure.

[magic girder]

I trust that people smarter than me (Sorg, Robert et al) will figure out the best way forward for the core and for the wider project

I have no reason to second guess their decisions

[lament escarp]

I don't think any board that can't handle the next console generation (ps2, gc, xbox) will be a meaningful upgrade tbh. It's all fine and dandy to discuss some numbers on a test but the current de10 runs 99% of the retail games just fine.

[hushed nova]

it has other advantages, it's being looked into, some of ya'll need to stop yapping about stuff

[weary palm]

Cool to see an M64 out in the wild.

[lament escarp]

Are they out? Are the controllers? Do they work with mister?

[ember pewter]

They're not unless yxkalle is messaging from the future

[lament escarp]

He's prone to do that.

[weary palm]

No, but they've been sent out to "influencers". 😅 (Not the right word, perhaps).

I'm living in the past.

[weary palm]

It's easier to develop on an FPGA that isn't crammed. 😅

[fallen sparrow]

That's what she said

[lament escarp]

For devs no question, but I've seen a lot of end useres salivating over the thought of a successor.

[magic girder]

Hence Zakk’s frustration 😅

It’s constant

[fallen sparrow]

Please share a link 👍

[weary palm]

@fallen sparrow

I want that color... 😭

[lament escarp]

I'm honestly only interested in the controller.

[weary palm]

Why would you not be honest

[lament escarp]

Could try and impress y'all with my minimalism. 😅

[neat sierra]

Now do the original but with spider legs

[weary palm]

Spiders have eight legs!

NintANTo 64

[neat sierra]

That’s an insect not an arachnid, jfc

Oh there we go

[zinc dew]

He was hiding them, he was shy about his wiggle legs

[neat sierra]

Needs more eyes

[weary palm]

Fun fact: the "sect" in insect means six.

[neat sierra]

No notes

[digital remnant]

https://youtu.be/sdpgIykMWfQ?si=YotnEhZtXSDxIrNk&t=408

booting in 4 seconds is very nice

(link with timestamp)

[zinc dew]

He looks like a five year old that got hit with an aging ray

why his head so big!!!!!

[weary palm]

ꙮ is my favorite letter.

[zinc dew]

ꙮ

what us thiaiiiisisjsip

[zinc dew]

ꙮ🫦ꙮ

[weary palm]

Damn. Only four eyes.

[weary palm]

@zinc dew

[magic girder]

You win Discord 😂

[weary palm]

yaay

[lament escarp]

What a great song.

@zinc dew make this your ringtone!

[weary palm]

Yes. Audiopolute the planet.

[tepid shuttle]

even if we had hardware capable of running 6th gen consoles, we're a long ways away from seeing anyone recreate them in FPGA. whether or not the DE-25 nano is the next step forward or not is up to sorg, but i'm sure a larger board would be a welcome improvement for almost all mister users and developers

[lament escarp]

For devs I get it, but for users? Why spend a couple hundred bucks to play the same games that already run flawlessly?

[tepid shuttle]

part of the reason i like the mister is because i know i'm getting an accurate experience with most cores. if a new board helped solve even a few edge cases, i'd upgrade in a heart beat

[weary palm]

If you're really keen on playing from carts. Or perhaps the 4K scaling.

[lament escarp]

I have 4k scaling on my current mister.

[worn delta]

If DE-25 becomes MiSTer 2 then it isn't going to replace the DE-10 Nano (in the short and medium run), it will run along side it, and help future proof the project for when eventually the DE-10 Nano does go end of life.

[weary palm]

how

[lament escarp]

Rt4k

[zinc dew]

Sorry, was dropping kids off at camp

[zinc dew]

LOLOL

omg shit, I forgot I had it playing in discord and when I reopened it in the grocery store it blasted it LOL

[lament escarp]

You should always blast it at full volume. It's your theme song.

[weary palm]

If you think it's AI I'm going to take it as a compliment.

[desert crow]

I can't wait for the album to drop!

[weary palm]

Everything's updated. It just don't wanna. 😉

[weary palm]

Give me a bottle of of whiskey or scotch and i'll sing all night

Not that I think any of you want to, but feel free to PM me youtube video links if you want to see them N64:ified.

[hidden bolt]

@weary perch @weary palm New patch for Blues Brothers 2000. This fixes the second chase as well. PAL is untested.

[weary palm]

nice

I'll add it to the db

[hidden bolt]

thanks!

[weary palm]

If I remember how xD

[weary perch]

thank you so much for looking at this!

i'd love to know more about your method for looking at these

that was very quick

[weary palm]

something something xor original rom with patched rom

if that makes any sense.

[desert crow]

obvious answer is the nintendo sixty four kid.

[weary palm]

!

[hidden bolt]

I found a flag that gets activated when the chase starts, then I found a routine that checks this flag every frame. Near this routine was some code that increments a float value with another value. This value changes the speed of the redneck. So I searched this value in the rom and changed it to something slower.

PJ64 has a really easy to use debugger for these kinds of things (disassembler, value search, memory viewer).

[weary palm]

What does the patch do? slow him down?

[hidden bolt]

yes, the alligator and the redneck chases are too fast, so you can't complete them on the core

[weary palm]

so you know VR4300 assembler?

[weary perch]

this also happens on ares. the patch likely allows you to play thru the game on ares as well.

[plush summit]

I guess they aren't supporting the DD

[wanton sun]

any sign of why this happens? is it general speed of the core or rather some bug?

[tepid shuttle]

that's why summercart64 compatibility will be important

[weary palm]

damn... i get graphical glitches in ALL n64 roms with Ares. 😂

[hidden bolt]

kinda, you can usually guess what something does, or just look it up.

[weary palm]

does anyone even own a 64DD?

[tepid shuttle]

no

[weary palm]

isn't there like 20,000 of them in the whole world or something?

[plush summit]

yeah, I figure software is the way to go, but yanno, if you could go all the way, why not 😛

[hidden bolt]

Yeah the framerate is just too high, it seems to be a hardcoded value, probably tweaked during development on a real n64

[weary perch]

@wanton sun i am going to make some new issues in the GitHub to split out the ones that address multiple games that thoseposers made last year. if that's alright with you. i'll make comments on the old ones when i'm done so you can close them

[zinc dew]

I thought it was! Wow you have a fantastic singing voice!

[zinc dew]

Neither did Nintendo huehuehuehue

[plush summit]

EY YO

[wanton sun]

sure

[zinc dew]

Ok genuine question here. Playing video on the N64 is cool as hell but what could be a real world application of this? Easy CRT hookup for digital videos?

[tepid shuttle]

give your friends a cartridge with an SM64 label but it's just rick astley's never gonna give you up on it instead

[weary palm]

i'm not sure what PAL ROM you're using here? my Blues Brothers 2000 (E) (M6) [!].z64 seems to be a mismatch

[zinc dew]

I am so mad at myself for not thinking of that.

[hidden bolt]

I never tested it, and I can't remember where i got that rom. I'll have a look

[weary palm]

There actually exists a "ROM hack" like that out in the wild.

[tepid shuttle]

i don't doubt it lol

[weary perch]

the hash doesn't match the known good no-intro dump for the PAL version of this game, so maybe it's older / a bad dump

Algorithm : SHA1
Hash : D641AFCA71A7D83587F9D7105D5E6DFFDEAA8016
Path : D:\MiSTer\N64\2 Europe - A-Z\Blues Brothers 2000 (Europe) (En,Fr,De,Es,It,Nl).z64

that should be the only known-good dump for PAL

[weary palm]

but the patch probably works anyway, right?

[digital remnant]

Which gpu do you use?

[weary palm]

just some Lenovo laptop shit.

[desert crow]

maybe endianess of that pal rom

[hidden bolt]

the checksum needs to match, so I will need to make a new patch for pal, was there even a pal patch previously?

[weary palm]

ok, but the .BSP expects a ROM with CRC32 = 7044a186

[weary perch]

no, there was only USA

[weary palm]

i was just about to say

[weary perch]

i believe there's an ares bug with Intel GPUs

[digital remnant]

I read that there a issues with intel vulkan drivers, but yours seems recent enough so i dont know. Your rom works fine with ares 147 for me with amd/nvidia and apple gpus so... Maybe its intel 😄

[weary palm]

yes, seems like it

[digital remnant]

Or maybe its HD scaling? Maybe disable that

[worn delta]

I assume homebrew could make use of it, could allow for very nice looking and sounding cut scenes

[weary palm]

There are zero real world applications.

[hidden bolt]

Ok just skip the PAL version for now. Nobody noticed it didn't have a patch anyway. I might look at it again later.

[worn delta]

Are there any homebrews making use of the Randnet keyboard (or rather a USB keyboard) yet?

[plush summit]

They call it Ares because can't stop fighting over it

[digital remnant]

Porting ff7/9 to n64

[zinc dew]

Oh duh, of course. Good point!

[weary palm]

@weary perch AI is fucking crazy.

[hidden bolt]

@weary palm ok this should work, don't know what was wrong

[weary perch]

damn you're fast.

😄

it took me many hours to get to that save point and ruleset comes in and patches the fix in minutes

lmao

[hidden bolt]

I think i just selected the wrong file when making the patch

[weary perch]

the game is truly awful. we're probably doing the world a disservice in making it more accessible.

there's a good reason no one bothered getting to that point in the game before

[zinc dew]

so what's the wackiness it does that requires a patch?

[hidden bolt]

I do appreciate that they copied mario's jump dive/rollout, not many games have that. Although it doesn't really add much functionality in this game

[weary perch]

it does 2 crash bandicoot-style run into the camera while being chased sequences

the chasers run too fast, you can't win the chases on the vanilla core with the game unpatched

and yeah the core just runs the game better than hardware and it speeds up the chase actors

it's not the worst game i've ever played, but it is pretty hateful

one thing that really ground my gears is each level has 10 notes to collect, and there are only 4 of them so they are pretty long

if you get to the end and talk to the NPC at the end of the level, but you don't have all 10 notes, they just unceremoniously boot you from the level, forcing you to restart from the beginning

[zinc dew]

One question I keep asking myself is why is it the obscure and "bad" games that often give the most trouble? Is it because all eyes are on the "good" games first and everyone knows how they're supposed to be so those issues get ironed out? Or is it because the "bad" games are often done by inexperienced or rushed devs that implement non-standard programming solutions to get their games to run?

[weary perch]

and yeah 4 levels * 10 notes = 40 notes total. the cowboy / redneck that ruleset just patched guards note 40 of 40 so you have to play the entire game to get to it

i don't emudev but i can imagine that the returns are rather diminishing when you have lots of work to do for a fix and the end result is that maybe you fix a game that no one cares about

or worse, your fix causes a regression on games people actually do play 🙂

[zinc dew]

@hidden bolt how do the patches work? Is it on-the-fly when the game is loaded so it's temporarily appliedm or is it a permanent patch the first time the game is loaded?

[weary perch]

it's done by the database

https://github.com/MiSTer-devel/N64_ROM_Database/blob/194703143f97c9fdac3d9ebb16be1229b95cfffa/N64-database.txt#L857

[simple olive]

; N64 game patches to increase N64 Core compatibility

[weary perch]

on the fly

it doesn't change your roms permanently

[zinc dew]

thank you, sounds like the perfect implementation!

I know I say this shit like daily, but honestly the community is what makes the MiSTer incredible. Look at all these fixed up games thanks to everyone in here. Thank you so much for being such badasses!!!!

Yeah worked great for me last I played it, which was like over a year ago

yeah haven't tried that yet but it seemed interesting

Ohhh interesting:

[magic girder]

When you remember it, write it down 🙂

[weary palm]

https://github.com/MiSTer-devel/N64_ROM_Database

[blissful plaza]

Main MiSTer changes from yesterday. #1046941029296779344 message

[magic girder]

It is done!

Thanks @hidden bolt, @weary palm @weary perch

[weary palm]

I haven't tried it.

[zinc dew]

Oh I posted in the wrong channel, sorry about that. But thanks for linking me to the binary!

[hidden bolt]

thanks!

[zinc dew]

is it awkward if more than two people hug?

also am I hugging @hidden bolt or am I hugging @severe quail who added the hug emoji first?

things to ponder

[weary palm]

first one to verify that the patch works gets a song from me

[zinc dew]

omg omg

wait no

I am selfish

[neat sierra]

I convert and watch all my pornographic films on N64 like Miyamoto always hoped for

[zinc dew]

Did I ever share my Miyamoto stories?

[weary palm]

https://tenor.com/view/diou-yes-gif-21525079

[zinc dew]

I don't know about now but back in the mid 00s that dude loved making perverted jokes lol

[lament escarp]

You're just as excited as Todd Howard was when his favorite band played at the Skyrim release party, aren't ya?

[chilly ember]

https://tenor.com/view/mario-wtf-why-kifluggs-joke-gif-23235224

[weary palm]

i wish I was a little bit pasta

Mario makes me al dente

[neat sierra]

You can’t get spaghetti sauce on your clothes if you aren’t wearing any. Checkmate spaghetti

[zinc dew]

Do y'all think we'll get like an MSU style format for the N64?

[weary palm]

What would it add but more ROM space?

[neat sierra]

“This is what the designers would have done” fmv of some unnecessary bullshit with ska version super mario theme cover (garage band quality)

[digital remnant]

that was my favourite VHS as a child, i watched it many times!
and thanks to Rasky, we can watch it on a real N64 now 🙂
( ~64mb is not half bad for 30minutes of runtime!)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DGdnvtojwxw

[weary palm]

I crammed 1:30:08 into 61MB...

and it's worse than half bad. it's quarter bad.

[green epoch]

Good, it needs an intermission so I can get up and pee and hit the concession stand

[weary palm]

you can't pause so you have to watch it on the toilet

[topaz otter]

the DE-69 Nano with the snac adapter for the hitachi wand

[weary palm]

Here's that Super Mario 64 / Rick Roll ROM btw.
#1096015979055697940 message

[digital remnant]

mine was 65% bad - a pity you cant compress audio with opus at the same time to save space

Pokemon Episode 1 only takes like 40MB with the same settings 🙂

[weary palm]

you cant? but the C file says you can?

[digital remnant]

i havent tried yet, if it actually plays - but maybe it lags because that needs too much performance

[weary palm]

// Maximum target audio frequency. // // Needs to be 48 kHz if Opus audio compression is used. // In this example, we are using VADPCM audio compression // which means we can use the real frequency of the audio track. #define 32000.0f

I haven't tried it either

let's do that now