Arcades - Fighting Cores

[modern ravine]

The thing with referencing something is that one might reference the bugs as well

[untold mortar]

I would like to know their data collection policies and how their databases are stored.

Are they officially registered to carry out this data collection, and is obsolete data properly deleted from their systems at the end of the service rental period ?

This is a rental period that is automatically renewed every 2nd of the month, if I understand well.
Patreon is officially registered for doing data collection and their policies are clear on what they do with it, but they use a system external to Patreon for this DRM, so they must also be registered and declared for doing it (at least legally).

Furthermore, are they GDPR compliant? If not, they are not authorized to do business with individuals from Europe.

[muted shard]

That's me knackered in the UK if correct! 🙂

[livid badge]

Yeah no thanks, closed source is antithetical to the MiSTer project that they owe their existence to. Aka they can suck it

[ancient prawn]

The data collection is my biggest beef with it

[untold mortar]

I have nothing against them, but I know people who are much more meticulous about this kind of thing.

And it could happen, quite quickly. That would be a shame...

The same kind of people who already went after atrac17 a few years ago, with his issues with his Redump ISO repositories, where he was using the collective's logos without their permission, as well as distributing the files directly.
That didn't end well.

[native echo]

the whole thing stinks

they're awful people doing awful things

they upset virtually everyone who comes in contact with them

[silent plank]

Do they release their cores to the general public like JT does after a while? I wouldn't mind waiting if they do. I am not fond of adding drm to my mister.

[cosmic vault]

We don't know what things are going to look like going forward. Their post is likely just poorly worded, but it says that "Not all core releases will require a Patron membership, but the majority going forward will". I dunno if that means that new releases, or all releases

time will have to tell

[toxic jacinth]

I joined their Patreon last night hoping to get the Midway releases, only to find out that $5 only gets you MK1 and requires you to jump through DRM hoops. I will not be renewing at the end of the month.

[weak laurel]

how does DRM on the mister work? you need to be always online?

[lone girder]

Maybe I'm nuts but to me the way they're handling this goes against everything the Mister project is about so they won't be getting any money from me

[languid path]

wait, coin-op added DRM to their mortal kombat cores?

lmao fuck that, i hope they get leaked and cracked

[young gull]

no, they don't

[subtle belfry]

I find amazing how these coin-op collection guys manage to annoy everyone they come in contact. Last few months I was starting to consider joining their patreon, as they seemed like were redeeming themselves after MARS fiasco and etc, but no, atrac17 always manage to find ways to be a jerk, always proving that people never change

I'll contribute to srg320 and others that provide meaningful progress for the MiSTer and preservation community, amazing guys out there that are really talented

[silent plank]

Yeah $5 a month for a game rental seems a bit much. I would support that if it meant it will benefit the entire community when the core goes public, but if their business model is to keep some cores as paid subscription I don't think that is sustainable long term. Hope they come around as I think they would get much more support that way.

When I heard JT was planning to do MK1/MK2 next after CPS3 I thought it was unnecessary as COC was releasing their core. The DRM, paid subscription and closed source puts things in a new perspective.

[fathom cedar]

Yeah, closed source subscription? That is not what MiSTer is about. I'd rather play the MK Legacy Kollection than pay them a monthly subscription fee.

[lone girder]

yeah for sure. F those clowns

[fathom cedar]

Thankfully the Legacy Kollection is actually pretty good now on PC.

Just avoid it on PS5 and Switch.

[timber condor]

Holy shit

Holy shit I’m not touching this with a 10-ft pole.

[languid path]

https://tenor.com/view/banging-head-in-wall-silly-cat-i-cant-do-this-anymore-explosion-banging-head-on-wall-gif-14878736146645724894

[timber condor]

Holy shit

[timber condor]

Holy shit

[wary jungle]

Damn, I didn't know this, or I would have mentioned it in my video.

So $5 is MK
$10 is with Narc and Smash?

[lone girder]

Just need somebody else to step up and make cores for these instead

[mystic stump]

Money poisons every well it touches. Jotego's method is coherent, you reward the development, then eventually everyone gets to enjoy the fruits. Not all controversy is 'good for business'

[stray pelican]

Next they'll require a blood sample and cheek swab to play their cores.

[timber condor]

Holy shit

[random bone]

Holy Shit!

[livid flare]

Gotta make up for the lost MARS revenue somehow.

[lone girder]

A friend of mine who I tried to talk out of giving atrac his money did so anyways. It's a QR code you have to scan with your phone to verify your Patreon is current with them

[livid flare]

Can’t believe all you cheapo can afford $8 bubble teas multiple times a week while complain about $5 for a game. /s

[cosmic vault]

i can't give up my avacado toast

[unkempt kernel]

Maybe it references things in the way that Claude also references things 🤔

[unkempt kernel]

They don't have an option to disable vsync so it still tries to run at 60Hz with jerkiness :/

Also, how is this considered preservation when the core expires every month? Their patreon goes offline, so does the access/preservation 🙄

[night tulip]

Just saw the amount of data they pull from your Patreon account to get access to the alpha/beta cores. I'm surprised people are okay with that. We'll see how long they keep these cores behind their paywall. I'm guessing they'll try to milk it as long as they can.

[ruby grail]

I bought a rpi 5 with power adapter and mini hdmi adapter for $65 and it plays those games fine without putting weird shit on my MiSTer.

Oh but wait, replayOS is closed source. Fml. Oh well. I put it on my guest wifi with the other weird stuff.

[lone girder]

What data are they pulling?

[steep kite]

Needs more Joseph Joestar!

[timber condor]

Holy shit

[fathom cedar]

I'll quote Robby on this. "Holy shit"

[cosmic vault]

Is that something they have to request? or is that just what the API exposes by default?

[ruby grail]

Damn

Gotta grab all your personal info for future doxxing and legal threats

[night tulip]

The amount of access can be controlled through the integration. They've chosen to pull that data.

[timber condor]

Holy shit

[cosmic vault]

ooooooof

That's some fucking "you need to disclose your social network history before entering the country shit"

[steep kite]

ugh. Sorry, I meant this is a really big Holy Shit!

[timber condor]

HOLY SHIT!

[steep kite]

https://youtu.be/KWreHiN_E-Q?t=333

[night tulip]

Am I right in saying that a Midway core isn't as big a deal as the CPS core was, in that CPS had been poorly emulated for years while Midway has been emulated with fairly high accuracy? I'm definitely looking forward to having access to the Midway games on MiSTer, but I don't remember noticing significant differences between my MK PCB and MAME. SF2 on MiSTer was a revelation and I honestly haven't used my SF2 PCB since.

[livid flare]

Btw is it just the beta that’s closed source + DRM’d? Or it’s forever?

[night tulip]

Does CoC release the source to their cores? I thought they only release the binaries. They've been making a big deal about some special framework they had to build to make Midway possible. I doubt they have any plans to make that available any time soon.

[cosmic vault]

They told NFG that they normally release cores to the public domain after the beta period

So it sounds like it will be like jotego in that regard

[mystic stump]

Not stirring the pot, just taking a firm position here..hopefully as many devs and supporters can push back on this dangerous precedent re the data collection, and temporary access, with something like Gamepass, the consumer knows off the bat they dont own any of the IP's and neither do any of the FPGA core creators. It creates a mercenary philosophy where the patron is not only paying one Corporate entity but two. It is too divisive, bad dialectics leave no winners in the long term.

[livid flare]

but hang on now, if it's really like jotego's then (i.e, all open sourced after beta, public accessible binaries)...whats the issue?

(other than that dude being a complete jerk ass to everyone and dev out there)

[cosmic vault]

They haven’t released any core source in a year

[silent plank]

I think the issue is they haven't done any of that yet for any of their Patreon only cores, plus the DRM and data collection.

[mystic stump]

People are always what they do, not what they say. As Paul Weller from the Jam wrote "The public get's what the public wants" The Patreon data consolidation issue is serious..we cannot allow ourselves to become Barcodes.

[livid flare]

what data does e.g., jotego's patreon collect, if anything?

[frozen pelican]

instead we shall become QR codes

[cosmic vault]

Nothing

[livid flare]

you mean they're forever-paywalling few of their cores?

[timber condor]

Holy shit

[silent plank]

Until we see at least one of their Patreon cores become public / open source, we cannot be sure what their plan is. They used to do it though, meaning open source their cores. But that was back when they started on mister.

[mystic stump]

Look at the the consequences of not being able to pay for Cash at all times. I think It was Nelson Rockefella who said something like *Paraphrasing 'There's a $20 dollar bill down the back of many a Sofa's and I want them.' I have no problem Patronising tech work, but locking them behind suspiciously long BETA status's could become 'plausible deniability' if this particular model becomes normative.

[languid path]

did coin-op ever follow up on their fixes for zero wing/tatsujin-ou and such or were those left in the dust too

[cosmic vault]

I think they got updated? It’s hard to tell what’s been updated and what hasn’t because they distributed builds in their discord too

Someone should just grab the code that is open for those cores and update them

[mystic stump]

'A person's reputation often precedes them' I hope *sigh that team Coin-op reconsider this explicit model, and just go the Jotego route..I guess that's all I got to say, time will tell yadda yadda.

[gusty forge]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XNJ1RHUnX9s

do we know who did the UT holy shit line?

[fathom cedar]

I swear Tizoc in City of the Wolves says "holy shit!" for one of his special moves. Not literallly, but it sure sounds like it whenever I hear it!

[unkempt kernel]

Where did you get one that cheap? Here in AU the cheapest is about $100AU and that's from aliexpress

[ruby grail]

they have 1gb model now. I got the rpi 5 from adafruit

and the power adapter and hdmi adapter from amazon

[livid flare]

with a case and all...might just as well by a used business PC from ebay and miles more powerful.

[ruby grail]

pi does 240p

and the newest version of windows 10 I have doesn't understand even know how to do 480p

it's just 1080p scaled to look like 480p

i think win10 used to know in the past, but it's a rolling release so they break things

[livid flare]

that's true. although pi's composite output while respectable, it's 720x480

[unkempt kernel]

And that'll do the Midway stuff alright and output at the proper framerate?

[livid flare]

so Pi's 240p isn't gonna get pixel perfect...thus I switched to MiSTer

[ruby grail]

tbh, I don't play the midway stuff enough to know how good it is

i've been using it more for other arcade cores

replayos sends the 240p out through the hdmi cable

[livid flare]

oh ok so you aren't using composite out then

[ruby grail]

nope

transcoding to vga

$6

[livid flare]

only replayOS can? can batocera do that?

[ruby grail]

no idea

replayos has a mister like interface, which is good

and batocera uses retroarch? which is bad

so I haven't used batocera in 5+ years

Replayos is from the rgbpi team, so they care about 240p, but I'm not sure about batocera.

i prefer mister cores for almost everything, but in the last few weeks i have found replayos to be a simple option for non-mister stuff

[night tulip]

RetroArch and LibRetro are the same team

[ruby grail]

But the ui is bad

[night tulip]

Batocera doesn't use the RetroArch UI. It uses Emulation Station

[ruby grail]

But do you still have the RA menu?

That's how it was last i used it

[night tulip]

Depends what you want to do. You can manage nearly all configuration directly through Emulation Station

[ruby grail]

This is still a lot of layers of complexity

If you're playing mame, how many menus are there for mapping inputs, that are all independent of one another?

With separate config files

1 in emulation station. 2 in retro arch. 1 in mame.

I count 4-that's insane

[night tulip]

Are you saying that you make custom mappings for each game?

[ruby grail]

No

I'm saying that is confusing as hell

[night tulip]

You map once in EmuStation and only need to map in the emulators for custom mappings. Batocera automatically maps to each emulator.

[ruby grail]

How do you do it for mame

[night tulip]

Just map in Emulation Station. That's all. You don't have to touch the configs in the emulators.

[ruby grail]

Okay if that's the case then they fixed it

[night tulip]

It's been like that for the entire time I've used it, which is more than 10 years now.

Actually, it might be nearly exactly 10 years

Nope, 9 years.

[ruby grail]

I still think it's too many layers. If You’re supposed to use emulation station for everything, is that menu accessible while you're playing a game in the core?

[night tulip]

No. You'd access the emulator's menu if needed when playing a game.

[ruby grail]

Insane

[night tulip]

It's a front end for more than just libretro cores. Not quite sure what you're expecting. If all you want is libretro, then maybe it's not for you.

[ruby grail]

Yes i think that is a bad interface and it is not for me

I think replayos is a better frontend

[night tulip]

ReplayOS is much more limited in the systems it supports. As I said, if you only care about those systems then that's great. It's a completely different beast than Batocera.

[lone girder]

Man after seeing that info CoC demands of you, I dunno how to say it nicely, but CoC can get fucked

Let em know 😂

[night tulip]

It's a shame, as that team is bringing some great cores, but their attitude in the community is atrocious.

[young gull]

yes, given how they behave online, why would you ever want to give your info to them lol

[fathom cedar]

They have a history of being insanely vindictive and aggressive, so yeah, the less of my personal info they have, the better. Never trust unhinged people with your personal information!

[night tulip]

I hate that I subbed to their Patreon last year, before I knew who was actually behind that team. Subbed for a year, but have since cancelled. Definitely not renewing when it expires.

[lone girder]

Hey you can't fault yourself for things you didn't know about, when you realized they're scumbags, you made the right decision. That's all ya can do

[long swift]

Zaparoo is now working with ReplayOS 🙂

[muted shard]

Aye, you've got to be Patreon plus, like I was, until I cancelled last night, sod them.

[wary jungle]

Too much information to be honest

[muted shard]

A bit yes, and as I said a faff on as well to get it to work. I know you lot like fighting games, but I wasn't bothered either way, I liked them for their other releases.

[empty latch]

(Sorry that's a huge wall of seemingly bad news and too many words are jumping around for me tonight)
but, does this affect MiSTer in any way?

[livid badge]

What you don’t want to rent MK month to month where they can cut you off at any moment because of some made up petty bullshit? But it’s such a sweet deal. Also it’s always a good idea to send personal info to people who have tried to get revenge by contacting employers, spouses and filing spurious lawsuits

I’m looking forward to future terms where you have to join their discord and tell atrac and pram0d they are ‘very stable geniuses’ once a week or get banned

[silent plank]

We have a choice and that's what matters. Vote with your wallets. I was set on joining their Patreon for MK2 even being closed source, but drm and being a rental was info I didn't had before. Hope they come around.

[modern ravine]

Could be worse, like managing to have the coin input bound to an online payment service

[long swift]

Taito and Sega figured that out years ago 😃

[livid badge]

nesicaXmister

[long swift]

All.Net P-RAS MiSTer

Totally screwed the capitalization

ALL.Net P-ras MiSTer

[livid badge]

Can’t wait

I like the idea of cores needing to call out to a service. I think it’s too bad only modern games can become unplayable when companies shut down backends needed for them to run

This is a good direction

[stray pelican]

I just got a Mister a few days ago, are these CoC twats the only ones pulling BS like this?

[unkempt kernel]

Yes. Vast majority are, completely free with Patreons if you choose to support, but with no benefit over non supporters.
Jotego is the exception, he allowsv access to beta cores if you subscribe, but if you don't subscribe you will still get the core anyway when it's complete. And all his cores are open source.

I believe the only closed source cores are literally the CoC ones.

PS. FWIW I don't think their paid members count has increased at least over the last 18 hours or so and stands at 765. If it was popular, I think it'd have gone to significantly.

[stray pelican]

Good deal, thank ya.

[untold mortar]

I'm not an IP lawyer at all, and this should be double-checked, but it's the bare minimum.

We can't find any legal information on their Patreon page, nor on the external CoC license page.
Their clause in the CoC License Manager has no legal value and cannot be invoked in an agreement binding on the customer.

As per example, no entity or legal person is declared as registered with the U.S. Department of Commerce, and no declaration regarding personal data protection obligations is made in the United States or the European Economic Area is viewable on their pages.

Furthermore, no Data Protection Officer (DPO) is registered or clearly mentioned, no external data controller is designated, and we have no access to the collected data, even upon simple request (for example, to find out why and how it is used internally).

No legal guarantees regarding the collected data are clearly mentioned on their pages.

Therefore, their data collection appears to be completely illegal under several US federal laws, and they also cannot conduct business in the European Economic Area.

What surprises me most is that their team includes someone specializing in big data processing and engineering.

These kinds of legal details are taught as a basic principle in specialized university courses, particularly the types of declarations required before launching any kind of data collection.

EDIT : Typo & clarification about declaration policies.

[next egret]

This sucks.

Enshittification coming for mister.

Games-as-service Switch Online model, no thanks.

[somber sundial]

They'll be released publicly eventually at least. This is for beta/alpha access

[next egret]

Unsure what was wrong with the seemingly massively successful jotego model of beta access.

[gusty forge]

I'm completely unfamiliar with this kind of thing, and not trying to be antagonizing towards them, but who would be the entity that begins the process for punishing that kind of thing? I'd definitely not want to put myself in a position to be staring all of that down.

[gusty forge]

Have they clarified that? Their own help docs certainly don't make that clear

[somber sundial]

I've seen it stated in the discord a few times

By the people on the team.

[gusty forge]

We shall see then

[somber sundial]

I don't see why they wouldn't. I
I try to avoid the drama of the MiSTer community. I'm too old to care and just want to game. I appreciate everyone's hard work that goes into this project. People are awesome.

[ionic drum]

I'd rather go without than dox myself to a bolus of tossers who are already known to engage in intimidation and legal threats. CoC can respectfully go and fuck themselves.

[untold mortar]

Simply have a question and a request for verification with the United States Department of Commerce firstly, regarding their registration procedure and their policies for protecting sensitive data following collection from a site without a legal page.
If they are in compliance, no further action is taken; otherwise, they may be prosecuted for illegal collection of personal data, and be prohibited from any commercial activity, as well as subject to an administrative fine.

[muted shard]

I must admit, I only went for it, without knowing, or understanding what I was giving away. Plus the fact of regenerating personal keys, that validate, as long as they exist. Sod that, cancelled.

[livid badge]

It’s not drama to point out that the project everyone enjoys exists because of open source and these guys are not participating in that. Supporting that behavior is your own choice but people should be aware at least anyway

[untold mortar]

Same with the Data Privacy Network on the European Economic Area, and a question about the GDPR legality of their current business model + copy to Patreon Customer Support.

Are they legally authorized to use the Patreon API for doing a DRM ?

[livid badge]

We’d probably still be using retroarch and hitting stones with crude hammers if not for open source! 😉

[somber sundial]

I'm not specifically talking about this data thing. I haven't really signed on for this data gathering and I probably won't. I don't understand the need for it either.

I'm more talking about a lot of the other stuff I've read is just he said she said schoolyard stuff.

Just a lot of shit talking on all sides. It gets old having to scroll through all of it.

But this is the best place to get information on MiSTer so scroll through it I must.

But yeah, the open source thing I don't understand that either. And I know it's definitely annoying considering preservation etc.

[untold mortar]

If it is stated by the dev team, that's more reassuring, but won't clear the data collection system legality.

[somber sundial]

I agree.

I've never had any issues with that team and they've done a lot of good work. But I'm not going to hand over my data. I definitely agree on that.

[untold mortar]

Same.

[fathom cedar]

I mean, I saw a comment in PixelCherryNinja's video yesterday from someone who joined their Patreon at the $5 tier and just left a comment that they want to help fund development but don't want to jump through registration hoops for MiSTer cores, and that they were more than happy to stay subscribed without getting the core just to fund development. That's all they said, and yet they had their subscription immediately canceled and they were blocked from accessing their Patreon going forward. That's the kind of vindictive bahavior people are giving up their personal info to. Can't even imagine what they plan to do with it.

[livid badge]

There was another guy in JTs discord the other day who got cancelled because he asked about the core they said they were releasing that day 😅

[lone girder]

Seems to already be the case, I called out their bullshit on X, and instead of trying to explain why they request the info he demands, he blocked me lol

[royal scaffold]

dont worry about the paywall stuff itll all be free on MARS :)

[young gull]

Not really coming to mister as they are just doing this unofficially

[subtle night]

im uh curious how their framework would access things like system date and hardware ids

or somehow access the internet which i doubt it's doing

like isn't a core just an rbf file that is burned to the fpga, so its not like they can do anything that's not already currently exposed via linux / main

but maybe it's just a one way hash of the hardware id / valid timestamp and then they just read that and compare using their private key

someone would have to test with an expired key by rolling back the date or something

[lament barn]

It is not true that the game stops working after a month; an upgrade is only necessary when, for example, a new version of the core is released.

it;s not a game pass

[timber condor]

Holy shit

[subtle night]

i mean okay, the faq implies that your key could suddenly stop working

also the fact that you wont have to update your license key if you pay in advance for a year

having something that only changes validity on new closed source core releases is even weirder

like that implies they just invalidate every key

[lament barn]

The author's response to the question of whether it is necessary to renew the key every month. He writes:

"Not necessarily. Your key at present will work on the MK indefinitely now. However, if there are updated builds, or other things released later, you'll have to generate a new key. A yearly sub doesn't have to generate keys every month, just once a year"

[subtle night]

yeah those are conflicting statements lol

[random bone]

They're really, really bad at communication.

[lament barn]

and some more info about whole situation https://x.com/hyp36rmax/status/2045930452641579420?s=20

F. Eiji Marinas (@hyp36rmax)

Looks like a lot of misinformation is rampant within #misterfpga community around #CoinOpCollection recent Midway beta. #arcade

Let's talk facts...

Yes, Accessing Midway beta requires authorizing Patreon to share information.

The following information is shared:
-Patreon

X · Apr 19, 2026, 6:20 PM

[subtle night]

the word "misinformation" is strong here, even though there's not a consistent message outside of a discord lol

[lament barn]

I'm just a player; I'm not interested in any conflicts, and I never have been. Everyone can vote with their wallet.

[subtle night]

also why is this person stating "facts" if they're not a representative authorized to clarify statements

but maybe they're on the team

lol

which is not clearly disclosed

[lament barn]

I didn't read it closely, but I think the authors gave their consent for publication

Unfortunately, I don't have time to keep up with all of this

[random bone]

This should all really be spelled out clearly from the getgo on their own sources of information, which is both patreon and their own website. Not through twitter after the fact.

[long swift]

It’s locked down because they don’t want people to file bug reports for outdated versions?

[subtle night]

this was the same issues we had with mars

[long swift]

Confusing post

[subtle night]

also i appreciate the desire to be a neutral party and not be interested in conflicts and only want to play games, but those kinds of posts never really contribute any benefit to the discussion or debate lol

[glacial moat]

I think an important point is what Zet mentioned, are they even legally eligble to collect data?

[subtle night]

sure why not

[glacial moat]

works for me 😎

[subtle night]

also hyp36's rebuttal was that the patreon admins could already see this information

[glacial moat]

I worked with a ton of GDPR practices and policies, and you do not want to play

[subtle night]

oh in terms of that stuff

lol

thats' more on how they're storing it and what they do with it

and if they have a way to delete it

but you could hand wave it as a "requirement for doing business" a lot of the time

we dont even know if they're storing the info that pateron is sharing

you're also giving consent to share it

but yeah so like whats UNCLEAR is if they can retroactivitely revoke beta access to cores you have access to

or if somehow a beta core you have downloaded will suddenly stop working given no other outside circumstances

like JT cores are the same

[glacial moat]

I think thats because of Update all in my case

because it always fetches the latest core

[subtle night]

but like if you have a jotego build from 2024 and the 2024 key, it should work

even if you've stopped paying etc

the fact that there's even room for interpretation here is a failure on their part

[glacial moat]

if thats possible, I wonder why these guys are going the extra mile to lock people out lol

[subtle night]

the other thing that's not clear is like, okay MK is a $5 tier core

but like the other two cores??? wouldn't they use the same key as MK

lol

[glacial moat]

that upsell is so scummy lmao

[subtle night]

either way, all this friction is funny for some ROI

more drama, more complaints, probably a drop in patreon subscribers

but offset by some new subs

[lavish slate]

Are there any vids of the beta in action?

[subtle night]

a reduction in false bug reports??

lol

[glacial moat]

If they just said nothing and kept doing what they're doing, they would be in a signficantly better position

[subtle night]

well they had a ton of good will built up from teasing mortal kombat finally on mister

and their new framework

lol

mostly speaking for myself

[glacial moat]

I 100% believe that MK and Midway was such a sunken cost, it became their carrot to dangle

like how many years was that in development? 2-3?

[subtle night]

like am i going to subscribe just for midway cores? no
would i try to pirate said beta cores if they were piratable? no
am i going to circumvent whatever DRM they've put in place? no

like i'd be curious how easy it would be to break

but also it's not worth the effort

[glacial moat]

yeah, if their system is truly above board, the cost of maintaining it will eat into their profits

[gusty forge]

#share-media message

[night tulip]

Has there been any mention of a potential Primal Rage core in development?

[subtle night]

isn't primal rage one of those games that has never been accurately emulated

[night tulip]

Yup. It's the only arcade PCB I still use, for that specific reason.

[subtle night]

although i guess there was progress there last year

https://youtu.be/WkgR1lZhn0I

i mean send your rare pcbs to be decapped by someone reputable lol

[night tulip]

Unfortunately, not much came from that emulator.

[subtle night]

i never really played the arcade version so

most of my nostalgia for that game was the weird PC port that was half finished

[night tulip]

Not sure I'd call Primal Rage rare, but my board is still in great shape

[cosmic vault]

This is the stuff that is weird to me. They gave NFG a similar, out of the side of your mouth answer.

The funny thing about intent is that it can change...Why can't they say "yes, these cores will be available to the general public?" Why are they constantly saying they "intend" them to be?

[shy hornet]

I guess that Primal Rage has quite a competent port on Saturn

[frozen pelican]

also how many 'in beta' cores do they currently have waiting to hit that point where they are good enough to be public and source released etc

[high plaza]

You can do whatever you want with your money but I won't be giving them a penny out of principle.

[shy hornet]

I guess that the public will see MK1 when MK2 is released to their patrons

[cosmic vault]

Yes, but is that confirmed or is that their intent

[shy hornet]

That would be a logical step to create an incentive to jump aboard

[glacial moat]

Did a human write this? like seriously, it sounds like someone is trying to pretend to be human

[shy hornet]

Mk2 >>>>> MK1

Mk1 would be like a teaser for MK2

[cosmic vault]

All I'm saying is, if you plan on releasing them to the public, state that clearly. They have a reputation for saying one thing and doing another - be clear.

[glacial moat]

If you're gonna pretend to not be a business but then have someone talk like a business person, nothing is making sense

Lawyers are just rubbing their hands with this

[cosmic vault]

I'm just glad Hypermax found something to do with his time

[lavish slate]

Agreed. How odd. Marketing PR bot 0.8 engage

[topaz prairie]

UMK3 >>>>> UMK2 > UMK1
Got a long way to go lol

[glacial moat]

Stop snubbing MK Trilogy omg

[subtle night]

hey intent is acutally the legally grey area of open source !

lol

[topaz prairie]

I will not

[subtle night]

as long as you intend to release source it's compliant!

[topaz prairie]

All these MK joysticks I’ve been hoarding are going to be worth a goldmine

[subtle night]

does the MK beta still require mame files?

[lavish slate]

UMK3 + is as close as it gets to Trilogy

[topaz prairie]

I have one of my boards hacked to UMK3+

The 2v2 tag mode rules so hard

[lavish slate]

That's what I'm waiting for on Mister. Shame it's taken half a decade to even get to this point.

[topaz prairie]

I lucked out and got a cab super cheap like 4-5 years ago

And then another…that wound up not just having UMK3, but also MK1 and 2 as a bonus surprise hiding inside

[lavish slate]

I see rains roundhouse combo is there. Is it infinite?

[topaz prairie]

It stops launching them through the wall at 10 hits

[silent plank]

It sounds vague, but it is better than a hard No as an answer.

[lavish slate]

Nice!

[cosmic vault]

totally. I just wish they would be clear

[topaz prairie]

I was so confused/excited when I pulled the pcb tray out

[livid badge]

They’ve said they’d release source for some cores when out of beta for 2yrs now. Imagine the pile of corpses for anyone holding their breath

[lavish slate]

Do you have to physically switch them out or is there a toggle somewhere?

[topaz prairie]

Manually swap, no switcher

[livid badge]

There’s nothing hooked to that jamma edge so def manual 😉

[topaz prairie]

The monitor in that cab was on its super last legs and has been yanked. I need to pull the frame and chassis and toss the tube

[livid badge]

Kajoq getting all those bonus boards reminds me of that meme with the gamecube with cash in it or whatever it was

[topaz prairie]

Got another I’m going to put in vertical for shmups

Yeah, my Russian nesting Kombat

[livid badge]

https://imgur.com/gallery/i-just-found-this-steal-of-deal-yard-sale-then-i-looked-inside-sneoW

[topaz prairie]

Classic

[void bronze]

It's not even about the money, I don't trust someone that seems to want so much of your personal and account info to access their cores, as well as the overbearing number of steps that hardware-lock the key to your specific mister that they require. Last device I recall that did that was the PSIO and that information was definitely abused...

[ruby grail]

I intended to go to bed early last night

[cosmic vault]

same dude

same.

[lucid mesa]

I intended not to make videos about these cores

[untold mortar]

Thank you for sharing this information.

Some points explained by hyp36rmax should have been clearly stated in their previous communications.

The mechanism is explained a little better now, and some points have been addressed that should have been addressed from the outset, not afterward.

I have no further comment.

[young gull]

Doesn't really clear anything up and instead sounds like a PR piece to try and get people to calm down about legitimate problems with how they do things and what they are planning to do being an escalation.

The CoC Krew could just... open source and keep making cores and not even have a beta key and still have hundreds of people paying them monthly.

I know, radical thought, it's crazy, I know.

It's only been done with every single patreon developer except for Jotego, and Jotego opens up his source when he's distributing binaries.

[ionic drum]

They can take their "clarification", wrap it in barb wire and shove it. Anyone willing to install whatever malware CoC are bundling with their beta cores deserves everything they get.

And before anyone comments, if it's DRM, it's malware.

[young gull]

Well it's probably not malware. Shouldn't say that without any evidence.

It could be, sure, but I don't see a reason to believe that.

[ionic drum]

I regard all DRM as malware without exception, especially in the homebrew space.

Combined with the self-dox requirement, it's hard not to be suspicious.

[young gull]

Yeah, don't blame ya.

[lone girder]

It'll "conveniently" be in "beta" forever

[young gull]

maybe this is just a kaufman-esque experiment

dadaist fpga core devs

[lone girder]

I don't want a single core from CoC on my Mister. I'd rather take a spool of razor wire, put it on my mouth, pull the other end out of my ass n floss myself to death.

[glacial moat]

I'm 80% sure that they will have pay walled, "complete" cores in the near future, if your sub count is going down, you can only squeeze from your current patrons

[young gull]

seems like a good business decision to harvest your customers PII and lock down with more restrictions and hoops to jump through if you want to keep your patron count going up

[glacial moat]

which is insanely ironic, given that the main reason this hobby attracts people is because the users reject that sort of system

[young gull]

honestly, i was really hoping my retro gaming hobby could add some DRM and login servers with a "you will own nothing" method

it's what we were missing

maybe we could get someone to add in some anti-cheat software too that flags normal software as hacks

[ionic drum]

Why not just go full Team Xecuter and remotely brick the entire system?

[unkempt kernel]

Remember, they *intended *to release MARS 🤣

[livid flare]

Wonder if someone can write a core that’s rm -fr /

[young gull]

the fpga cores don't run commands on linux that way

thankfully

someone could push a malicious alternate Main binary though

which is always a potential problem, so just use the official ones and you are not going to run into that problem

[lucid mesa]

I intend to dunk a basketball

[timber condor]

Holy shit

[fathom cedar]

https://tenor.com/view/the-good-place-holy-forking-shirt-holy-fucking-shit-omg-shocked-gif-10680049

[night tulip]

Rather than address the situation, they just tell people to unsubscribe.

[languid path]

fine by me

[night tulip]

Oh good lord. Now they blocked me. 😂

I better be getting a refund for the remainder of the year long membership

[cosmic vault]

you will

ask me how I know :p

[night tulip]

Ha!

Yup. Just got the refund e-mail. Guess I'll give that money to someone else in the community who isn't a total dick.

So I'm now blocked by atrac17 on Twitter and Patreon. Where else can I have him block me? This might be a fun game.

[random bone]

depends on how many social media accounts you linked and they collected data on. I'm also surprised they're blocking you and not harassing and threatening you. Maybe they've grown up just a little bit.... or maybe that all comes later.

[night tulip]

Discord was the only thing I had linked to Patreon. He's more than welcome to block me here.

Not even sure what server members of that team use, if any

[mystic stump]

I dont understand why they act so thin skinned, we are here to support their work. M.A.R.R.S project got sh1t canned, yeh it happens. Come on teamCoinop this doesn't have to be this awkward.

[young gull]

Is it because you asked what the "K3" in "K3 Framework" stood for?

[night tulip]

After he posted the response above, I replied with the exact text from the Patreon integration that's used with the new DRM. If they weren't collecting the data, you'd expect a further response explaining the amount of data they're getting access to. Instead ... blocked.

[unkempt kernel]

I think you meant MARS. M.A.R.R.S. is/was actually good ;P https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w9gOQgfPW4Y

[lone girder]

These assholes shouldn't be allowed to have any of their content as a part of update all

[night tulip]

They wouldn't care. They'd even likely wear it as a badge of honour.

[shell apex]

I was wondering if the key it generates is locked for a month what would happen if you download the key and then just never connect to the internet again and alway reset the time on the mister so it doesn't go over the end time set?

[modern ravine]

Violation of ToS and you'd be blocked somewhere different like an excel file

[lone girder]

Hopefully enough people see thru their BS and stop supporting them.

[timber condor]

Holy shit

[signal rapids]

I care about the src code not the binaries. There's not much preservation going on here. They have had a github for 3 or 4 years and the only code is 2 modules they added a few weeks ago. There isn't any whole projects for any cores they have did for mister or pocket, they seem to just use it for distribution. They could play nice and share but they haven't been and I doubt that's going to change in the future.

I partly blame jt for doing the betas that led to this patreon extortion that's happening now.

[plucky otter]

At least the source code is available for JT cores that are in beta.

[signal rapids]

Yes I have to give him credit for that. And I really blame patreon's tier system where it incentivizes making perks to get people to pledge more. But I just mentioned him because now they can say "well he does it".

[winged galleon]

not all but most of them

[lament barn]

#1047333006555217991 message

[lucid mesa]

this has got to be one of the messiest, just straight up WTF things in the MiSTer scene

[gusty forge]

You'd put that over that sega stuff?

[glacial moat]

Don't you ever bad mouth Uncle Alejandro like that

[gusty forge]

Perdóname, tío Alejandro

[fathom cedar]

SuperSega wasn't MiSTer!

[gusty forge]

I 100% forgot it wasn't 😆

I wasn't paying that close of attention to it

[fathom cedar]

You just admitted that you don't watch all of @lucid mesa 's videos. Fake fan!

[lucid mesa]

we all knew it!

[shell apex]

I don't like his accent and the hasty speaking rhythm. 😅

[subtle night]

just hope youtube does AI english dubs lol

[timber condor]

Ok so now that we got all the complaints out of our system let’s please keep criticisms civil and constructive. Thank you.

[frozen pelican]

Holy Shit

[subtle night]

Where's monsieur fpga

[subtle belfry]

Holy Shit

[carmine anvil]

There’s many fighting games and only one me. Kinda trippy. I only have so many hands and brain cells yknow. But I’ll give it a try. Even the bad ones.

[young elbow]

I much prefer Lance Charlson to VGE. Tell him I bid him good tidings, and that I deduce from his name alone he is a man of sparkling wit and stand up character!

[lucid mesa]

Lance is off this month

he is a real person technically who is not me

[desert plover]

If people aren't happy about what they are doing, the best way to send a message is not give them money. Even if you really want to play Mortal Kombat or whatever, just take a stand and don't back them. If enough people do that they will get the message. If you are giving them money then you are condoning and supporting and encouraging their bad behaviour and actions that are against the ethos of the MiSTer project.

[lucid mesa]

hence my ignoring it

and let me tell you...nobody asks me about it

[desert plover]

Yeah, if you are a news person then just don't even cover them.

Not that you need me to tell you that, just look at what happened to PCN when he reported things they didn't like.

[lucid mesa]

Its not worth my time. If I wanted to have a fight I'd say some dumb shit to my wife when she comes home 🤣

[frozen pelican]

I mean you're going to do that anyways

[lucid mesa]

obv

[lavish slate]

Pixel Ninja is the drama guy anyway. I'm sure he'll cover it.

I do respect your dedication to mister motion though. Hopefully you get a nice side hustle out of it.

[frozen pelican]

he's being paid off by Big Decomp now

[lucid mesa]

I make more than some people think and less than others think

I paid our mortgage last month

[lavish slate]

What's a Chicago mortgage these days

[lucid mesa]

without being too specific about my exact finances somewhere with HOA between 2-3K

[lavish slate]

Yoiks.

[lucid mesa]

I try and be open with people because they find it interesting but some people (obv not here) think they have some right to demand my finances to the penny 🤣

[lucid mesa]

thats tax and insurance rolled into escrow too

[lavish slate]

One of my regional offices is in the area just curious if I ever wanted to escape Cleveland.

Toronto is also an option but even worse

[lone girder]

I'll never complain bout my $600 dollar mortgage for my 2,000 sq foot home ever again 😂

[lucid mesa]

You could make your mortgage in an afternoon sucking dick at that price!

(I teed the joke up. This is where you right “and VGE would know”)

And that’s AFTER 100K down

[azure sierra]

i'm quite jealous right now

my mortgage is large and my home is not large 😭

[lucid mesa]

haha in my club

[lone girder]

I won't mention 2 acres of land either 😂 I live in the middle of nowhere and I love it

[void bronze]

Hideki Kamiya?

[void bronze]

And people were EXCITED for Mars until they started attacking people and the mister project

[azure shadow]

And X-Men. The Limited Run/Konami version didn’t even attempt to fix the existing sound bugs.

(or they tried and failed. same outcome, hard to tell because they wouldn’t answer questions about it.)

JT is trying, but right now the balance of that core has swung in the opposite direction while he tries to figure out the sound mixing logic

[long swift]

Mortgage talk in the fighting cores thread! What rates does everyone have

[young elbow]

In the new Tekken game all the characters are entering the tournament to try win money to pay off their mortgages.

[long swift]

Ye olde deathe pledge

My home is paid off

[tight seal]

they fight to be the king of the iron mortgage

[long swift]

You’d think they’d be a bit more careful with the stage barriers

[lone girder]

3.75%

[subtle night]

So now that we have 3rd strike decomp on arm, how much longer til a fightcade + groovymister "core"

[tight seal]

boy I've got news for you

https://github.com/adamaq01/fightcade-fbneo/releases/tag/v0.1.0

[subtle night]

Lol

That's not running on the arm tho!

[tight seal]

the creator hadn't really tested it since he made it with using it with an arcade cab in mind, and he hasn't gotten said arcade cab so lol

[tight seal]

i doubt the experience would be that great if it was

[subtle night]

Taki showed 3rd strike running on retroarch at 60fps on arm a year ago

[tight seal]

yeah but adding fightcade on top of that is not nothing

though honestly idk how capable the arm on MiSTer actually is

[lucid mesa]

I never did try this

my groovy setup needs to be completely re-setup in the new house now that all the equipment has been changed out and Ive just been lazy

[azure sierra]

the 3sx guys are working on netcode. once that's up and running it should theoretically be possible for it to also work on the arm port

[subtle night]

Is there a benefit from the arm port vs running an emu engine like FBneo?

Like I'm curious what Taki even used for his POC

Also he didn't hook it into groovy, just the frame buffer afaik

[tight seal]

taki was using retroarch fbneo iirc

[subtle night]

Also is the game the decomp is based on arcade accurate?

[azure sierra]

the big plus for the decomp port is that it's running natively with the source code available. so things can be optimized and improved

[azure sierra]

not yet but the 3sx team is working on it

but there have already been improvements made to the decomp port over the base ps2 version. game speed was changed to match the arcade speed. there's new training mode features. controllers are handled by sdl so it's really plug and play. amongst other things

[runic hound]

Is ps2 3s 480i only?

[azure sierra]

the ps2 version is 480i but the decomp port can do native 240p

[languid path]

the PS2 version being stuck at 480i really sucks, especially when the dreamcast port had a beautiful 240p mode

i think there are some codes that will remove the bilinear filter and give the game a proper integer scale, but you still need some external video processor to downscale to 240p proper

just sucks when the dreamcast version had it built right in

[runic hound]

Some ps2 games can be set to 240p including the vampire collection so i wondered if it could as well

[languid path]

doing so with 3rd strike causes it to lock up while booting iirc

[charred ore]

Yeah, there are a few STGs on PS2 that have 240p modes: DDP DOJ, ESPGaluda, ect.

But most arcade ports got stuck at 480i

[languid path]

it's really unfortunate

[empty latch]

Nah I got one more. Robby's biceps are too big that they can punch naughty MiSTer users via TCPIP 🤯

[timber condor]

lol

[void bronze]

What happens if I use Token-Ring?

[modern ravine]

then it will be a never ending beating whenever he comes around

[void bronze]

Sounds like something out of The Three Stooges, a hand on a wheel or something like that slapping people

[violet rover]

this is broken though. it causes scores not the be recorded 🙁

[onyx crag]

i wonder why that became the case for home versions of 240p arcade games /retro game collections in that generation

[languid path]

i heard a while back that the PS2 SDKs incentivized/made it easier to have everything to display at 480i

[lament barn]

Hey, which arcade sticks would you recommend?

[lone girder]

I like my 8BitDo Bluetooh arcade stick, I have no complaints

works great on Mister and PC

[languid path]

what are you looking for? japanese, american, 6-button, 8-button, etc.

[fathom cedar]

I like my Mayflash F700 Elite.

I also have a Victrix stick and a Qanba Pearl.

[languid path]

qanba obsidian/pearl is great

the best sticks i've ever used are the older HORI real arcade pro models and the sega virtua stick (especially once modded)

[fathom cedar]

I used to have an 8BitDo bluetooth stick as well, but had to get rid of it because it didn't have enough space for me to rest my left wrist on it. Which was bad for my arthritis.

[lament barn]

I don't know anything about arcade sticks I use an old Hori Fighting Mini that's probably about six years old. I'd like to buy something better 🙂

[languid path]

if you want something modern with nice parts for a good price, look into the aforementioned qanba obsidian

[uneven tapir]

AFS (AllFightSticks)

[azure sierra]

i really like my victrix but it's quite expensive (i got a really good deal on mine)

[lament barn]

thanks all!

[topaz prairie]

8bitdo stick + sanwa buttons/lever upgrade, Mayflash F500/700 elite, AFS, Qanba, Victrix

basically in ascending order of cost/flashiness. All mentioned have effectively the same hardware and features its just a matter of how robust and/or fancy the case is

also worth checking facebook marketplace for used TEs/TE2s/Qanbas/Horis

[young gull]

Yeah I have 3 sticks and the mayflash f700 elite is my favorite by far, still stock.

I also have an 8bitdo arcade stick and a hori real arcade pro 4 kai (rap4)

[fathom cedar]

Same. Love my f700 Elite.

Works with pretty much everything. Plus wireless and wired.

[young gull]

I like the size of the rap4 when playing on a table but it is awful in your lap and wired only. 8bitdo is great, but the f700 elite felt more premium.

[fathom cedar]

I did like my 8bitdo, but as I mentioned earlier, it just didn't fit my needs personally.

[steep kite]

I have the regular F700 with a JLW clone and iL Super Short buttons.

and I like it quite a bit. The one decent stick from Baolin. LS-32 PCB fits in it perfectly and I put in a stronger spring to go with the American style battop.

[timber condor]

8BitDo > F700 Elite

[thorn cosmos]

Guangzhou Chicken Run Network Technology Co., Ltd. > 8BitDo

are you brave enough to play street fighter with the gamesir g5??!

it has eight face buttons, more than enough for a good fisticuff i say

[young gull]

https://tenor.com/view/chill-meme-art-blink-gif-16776093

[timber condor]

lol I can’t troll you

[fathom cedar]

Was just updated today with VRR support. Also crossplay.

[unkempt kernel]

I saw that, just tried my main test which is the scrolling faces either side in MK1 and they were flawless!

[topaz prairie]

https://x.com/pr4m0d/status/2049880114658259080?s=46

Pramod (@pr4m0d)

today's build.

MORTAL II KOMBAT. #MiSTer

#CoinOpCollection #Midway

▶ Play video

X · Apr 30, 2026, 3:54 PM

[timber condor]

Do I need to be a paid member of their Patreon for that?

[young gull]

I believe so lol

[lament barn]

MKII is not yet available to anyone

[night tulip]

You will need to be a paid member when the core releases. It’s unknown how long their Midway games will remain behind a paywall.

[subtle night]

I'm curious if they would give some percentage of how beta the cores still are

[glacial moat]

There isn't any definitive information about anything

[livid badge]

Submit your blood sample now to get into the queue

[lone girder]

Asking that question would likely result in them blocking you

[subtle night]

Lol

[lone girder]

Likely forever because this is their golden goose.

[shy hornet]

I guess not too long. MK1 is the ideal teaser game for MK 2. And MK2 would be the ideal teaser for UMK3 if that turns out to be feasible

[cosmic vault]

I hope so

[void bronze]

Just sad to think how few games there was on CPS3, espeially if you don't count just updated versions of the same game, but I can see why SF3 alone would make many far far pefer that core over NGPC

[toxic jacinth]

3rd Strike seems to be the holy grail of fighting games on MiSTer. I'd love to see CvS2 and some of the Atomiswave stuff, but that's not looking possible. Still, can't argue with getting the SF3s and Martial Masters.

[livid badge]

Yeah def no Naomi/Dreamcast based stuff like those. Maybe the Misterer2000

[robust lagoon]

I think its amazing we even have a good CPS 1 and 2. Didnt some CPS 2 games also have a suicide battery in a way?

[fathom cedar]

I'm one of the people that would vastly prefer NGPC over CPS3, but I do love Third Strike, so it's hard to complain.

[upbeat quest]

I think all of them

[robust lagoon]

why not both meme

[azure sierra]

i'm curious to see if the competitive 3s community would be willing to adopt misters as the standard or not

[livid flare]

so we missed the target date by 26 years already

[glacial moat]

I think it's very likely the CPS3 core could be standard if the community could break down what's needed

The CPS2 cores are already used at EVO

[young gull]

fucking hype

[young gull]

they would, once it's confirmed to be "arcade perfect"

super turbo on MiSTer was already used at major events.

the owner of my local arcade isn't that interested, but he has like 12 CPS3's, he has a lot of backup spares lol

but for organizing events, i could see it helping

[glacial moat]

Isn't it like a pain in the ass to flash CPS3s on boot?

[young gull]

also, the community practices on fightcade, which is not "perfect", so something better than thaat for practicing would be good

[void bronze]

Not some, all, it was a secutiry measure. Well, the batteries dying wasn't a security measure, the security was that the games were encrypted and the key was stored on voltable sram kept alive by a battery that would wipe if it was tampered with. Problem is of course that batteries don't last forever, though they tended to last a decade or two. The roms are untouched though, it's just their decryption key that gets wiped, not any of the actual rom data.

CPS3 had something like that too IIRC, except now it was a whole cart-shaped dongle you had to plug in along with the game disk, and I think they were even more sensative.

[azure shadow]

I think my local arcade “had” a CPS-3 of 3rd Strike, but in the past 3 weeks the display (it’s an LCD monitor) is suddenly using some sort of line doubled/filtered resolution to smooth out some of the pixelation.

Which makes me suspect it’s been replaced by an emulator in the cab, or maybe has been one for a while now.

[void bronze]

They might be using one of those cheap upscalers designed to convert cabinets from CRT to LCD

[azure shadow]

I’m just happy we have CPS-2. There are so many good games on there that 3 is just a bonus.

[void bronze]

I actually have one of them as part of a project with some additional components to build a fairly decent upscaler for cheap

GBS-2000

[young gull]

yeah, just about as likely

[glacial moat]

Super Gem fighter is such a sick CPS2 game

[young gull]

that and twinkle star sprites are probably my favorite fighting games

[azure shadow]

That could be. The only weird part is that it’s been on an LCD for at least 2-3 years and it just now added that change, but maybe they upgraded.

A while back I heard the manager tell a couple of clients that he was giving a tour to that at least one of the other cabs (TMNT) is actually an emulator inside.

[young gull]

yeah, for some rarer stuff the guy near me uses emulators. pretty soldier sailor moon for instance, very pricey and hard to get is what he said

there's one on ebay for only $6250

[void bronze]

Specifically this one:
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B078ZDTLBJ

It's very common, and apparently as-is rather crappy... but with a cheap clock-gen and audino it can rival the OSSC

[azure shadow]

I also have a soft spot for most of the CPS-2 titles because I spent so much time playing the PS1 ports when I wasn’t at the arcade.

[void bronze]

https://ramapcsx2.github.io/gbs-control/

It used to just be a DIY project but it became populoar enough now that it's being sold as pre-made by many... which kinda defeats the purpose of it being a cheap way to make an upscler though

[azure shadow]

There’s a lot of audio modules like that too. I’m the key demographic because I suck at soldering.

[void bronze]

Heh, I am teaching myself to solder just for projects like this

have all the parts for two and most of the parts for a third project once I get a bit better

[glacial moat]

Too many replies, I'm at the gym 😭

[young gull]

https://tenor.com/view/urien-ryu-wholesome-wholesome-af-street-fighter-gif-21703378

[livid flare]

Is it really? Aren’t the turbo games still have speed issues cps1/2 alike?

[azure sierra]

i know the vsav scene is all in on misters

[long swift]

Hyper SF2 has some timing differences on mister last I read

I’m orders of magnitude away from noticing that type of stuff in 99.999% of games

[violet rover]

vsav doesn't do turbo the same way hyper fighting and super turbo do

[meager sage]

Weren’t the speed issues in hyper and dash fixed recently? I seem to remember hearing that

Like within the last 6 months

[violet rover]

hf and st use dma interupt timing during clock cycle to frame skip. the core had extra cycles, which allowed for more dma interupst and thus a faster frame skip/turbo

[violet rover]

it's closer, but it's not there yet

it was something like 8-12% faster previously. now its closer to 3% faster

jotego said after cps3, he was going to move something with the core to bram to prevent it from having extra clock cycles

[meager sage]

I see

[void bronze]

I thought had reduced it to like a fraction of a percent?

[violet rover]

@fallow ginkgo knows more about it than I do. I just know it's still not correct

[timber condor]

I know more than everyone here and it’s probably correct, maybe, I don’t know

[topaz prairie]

I think once CPS3 is truly finished and proven it’ll become a popular tourney option. There’s already so many issues keeping cps3 boards and candy cabs up. And it’s getting to the point where nobody trusts cab panels + everyone uses unique customized setups that the versus cities are going to see less and less use

Mister has been tourney standard for NA Vsav for like 4+ years now

[violet rover]

ah, the problem is they run too slow now.

that's for hyper fighting. from the last thing I could find on the fix he did in late december. ST is still around 2.5-3% faster than real hardware

[young gull]

One of the issues was the logic for a speed influencing was inverted, but that's fixed now and I think the organizers knew beforehand.

But yeah, it was used at quite a few events.

[livid flare]

Yeah iirc ST is still slight faster. Old turbo is now slight slower after the latest fix.

[timber condor]

Oh shit even cab panels are becoming untrustworthy for SFA3?

[topaz prairie]

Becoming? I get phantom inputs on candy panels all the time if you hit it hard

There’s so many cabs with mega questionable wiring

[timber condor]

Oh wow

I am understanding the importance of getting these competitive games replicated on reliable hardware now

[livid badge]

Even arcade cabs back in the 90s were so wrung out and abused half the time the controls didn’t work since operators can’t be assed to fix something quarters are still going into 😉

[azure sierra]

i was at a barcade in sf a few months ago playing a tekken cab with my coworker. stoked to show off my sick mishima tech on kazuya. the down-left and down-right diagonals were broken 😭

[void bronze]

I can't imagine how annoying it would have been to keep repairing the deluxe street fighter cabs

An arcade cabinet designed for you to punch it with force... great idea Capcom

[azure shadow]

I was at Meow Wolf years ago where they had a working SF2CE cab hidden in there, and a kid was hanging off of the joysticks. Just full body weight.

A lot of these cabs got so much abuse from being in arcades with kids, and drinks after that.

Even the nicer arcades around me have problems with dead zones in the diagonals of fighters. There's a couple where I won't even play P1 side because I know P2 works better.

[void bronze]

I don't think I playted many fighting games in arcades since I sucked at them, I mostly played them at home, feels like I do better with a dpad than joystick

Most of the arcade games I remembered were ones with more weird controls

Prop Cycle, light gun games, The Grid, Groove Coaster

[azure shadow]

I played in the arcade when I could as a kid, usually got my ass kicked, lol

I spend way more time there as an adult now that I know all this stuff won't be around forever. (I do prefer a D-Pad for playing on the couch.)

I still remember the lines for MK and SF2WW.

You'd wait for 10-15 minutes and get annihilated.

[void bronze]

Not much arcades left around here

[livid badge]

Trying to adapt to broken controls is part of the charm too. Also giving people shit when they try to blame the controls even if it’s real

[gusty lark]

Properly maintained cabs have no issues. Cps 3 boards don't really have issues as long as they are properly stored and most importantly, Darksoft'd. Besides the on-board ASICs, the majority of components have easily-sourced counterparts.

I'm still for the most accessible solution being the standard as long as it's good enough, though.

I'm out of the FGC loop since reaching the highest ranks in guilty gear strive, but I don't get why so many customized setups. People nowadays have accepted things like Leverless, while to me it makes no sense as it was a 30+ year old standard, motions taking more time on lever added deepness into the games imho, but I guess you gotta live with your times.

Reminds me of some speedrun communities I went back to for games I heavily speerdan and noticed newcomers have, over time, changed the rules and even allowed things like scripts and macros, no thanks.

[topaz prairie]

It’s basically been a constant toe-ing the line since hitbox hit the scene circa 2011

[gusty lark]

I feel like you can't discuss it anymore without the leverless becoming angry
I gave up

[topaz prairie]

Funny enough, whenever stick players try anything silly it gets shut down, (see: FullSchedule, Crossup, Antagonist Button) but all the leverless arms race and SOCD tricks and 8 million buttons have become the norm

[gusty lark]

To me the norm was always : when I go to Japan, I must be able to play like at home. No arcade operator or staff in Japan would allow you to plug your controller into a jamma adapter with the cab left open, lol

[topaz prairie]

You say that, but a handful of the bigger JP arcades have USBs on their stream cabs now

[gusty lark]

For smash bros melee though I was hyped about the hitbox, but because of the complexity and imperfect state of the gamecube controllers.
For traditional games, I never saw the point

[topaz prairie]

I’m just glad I’ve won the war against PPP on Vsav

And I’m dumbfounded the marvel scene is allowing it now

[gusty lark]

depressing

if you allow leverless, let's just allow 1 button special moves, I'm failing to see the frontier between the two

especially with the shortcuts abuse in modern games

[azure shadow]

Like, allowing all 3 punches mapped to one button?

Also, Darkstalkers/VSav ❤️

[topaz prairie]

Correct, we do not allow mapping PPP in Vsav tournaments

[gusty lark]

https://x.com/GuileWinQuote/status/2050573491250798938?s=20

ʕ•ᴥ•ʔ (@GuileWinQuote)

When Evo gives out leverless controllers as prizes for winning a 30 year old fighting game played on cab

▶ Play video

X · May 2, 2026, 1:49 PM

lmao

lmao

[cosmic vault]

want.

[void bronze]

I think that's just a home version port of HSB

[gusty lark]

[night tulip]

I really like leverless controllers. Didn't think they'd be for me, but I grabbed the wireless one from 8BitDo and have been really happy with it. I still use a joystick as my primary controller, but I think that's more about preference due to habit more than anything else. If I were coming into this hobby now, I'd likely prefer leverless.

[tight seal]

i gotta say

leverless feels alot worse to use on older games just because the input interpreters were much more strict than the games nowadays

[night tulip]

I'd agree with that. I only use leverless for newer fighting games.

[cosmic vault]

I dunno, speedrunners are using them now. Wasn’t Mario world record done on a mister with a keyboard

[tight seal]

maybe i should've specified i was talking about fighting games lol

[azure shadow]

On a related note, I always loved how KOF 95 on PS1 had the setting to map all the specials onto the shoulder buttons. It made me really lazy on that game but it was a blast for solo and casual VS play.

Bonus question: where/when/how did you hone your basic FG special technique?

For me it was SF2 SCE on Genesis.

So many hours practicing quarter and half circles and ➡️⬇️↘️ inputs

[fathom cedar]

Street Fighter II World Warrior on SNES. But I did also play it in the arcade before that, but not nearly as much.

[azure shadow]

Same re the arcade.

[weak laurel]

leverless boards are for people who think keyboards are too cheap

[night tulip]

Leverless controllers are significantly more ergonomic than using a keyboard

[night tulip]

I played SF2 at the local arcade by my school, pretty much every day at lunch.

[weak laurel]

I was kidding, I do have a leverless but I find playing w/ a stick to be more fun; I still suck anyway

[stray pelican]

Until I get a chance to play a game with a leverless I still have no clue how to feel about them.

[silent plank]

I tried going leverless but realized I'm too old to relearn everything. Sticks are part of the nostalgia.

[azure sierra]

i've transitioned from leverless to stick it's so much more fun

[stray pelican]

Wait, you went the other way? What do you like better over stick?

[violet rover]

What is that disgusting monstrosity?

[steep kite]

If the Doof made that, it would have a single button on the back that would blow it up.

[violet rover]

What we're playing on today

We brought a bunch of equipment to OKC from DFW

[gusty lark]

beautiful

[violet rover]

Gonna swap ST to the bigger screens here in a minute when 3s is finally over

[stray pelican]

Very cool. One day I should look into what the Colorado scene is.

[tight seal]

i went from leverless to stick too, but only for games pre-sf4

leverless just doesn't feel right on games older than sf4, main thing is that it's easy for me to miss diagonals on leverless which ends up with me dropping specials/supers

[topaz prairie]

You can try it out on a keyboard, Just map ASD as LDR with Space as Up

[azure sierra]

i just find it more fun is all. i'm actually worse at stick still lol

but i enjoy it more

[stray pelican]

Huh never thought of that.

[stray pelican]

One day I'll have to mess around with it.

[fathom cedar]

Going leverless would break my hand for health reasons.

[weak laurel]

leverless is basically a portable keyboard. if you were a kid in the early 2000s playing with emulators you'll feel right at home

[stray pelican]

PacMame/Nesticle/ZSNES was the last time I used a keyboard for an emulator.

[azure shadow]

I still do if I'm playing a game on my laptop in bed to test it out and/or playing an RPG that can't run on MiSTer.

[stray pelican]

That makes sense and is good testing. When emulators came out it took a while to get a Gravis pad, or whatever the hell worked back then.

[gusty lark]

I keep hearing people say traditional sticks aren't ergonomic but leverless is... lol
I'm 100% sure leverless hurts your hand more than lever
and some flat out admit they tried traditional sticks, couldn't get a feel for it (I call it lack of perseverance), and moved to leverless directly

[gusty forge]

My five year old hit their first fireball motion in bbtag on stick today

[gusty lark]

god bless

[fathom cedar]

Oh a stick is absolutely better for your hand. I have rheumatoid arthritis (an auto-immune disease where your immune system attacks your joints the more you use them), and having to move all your fingers constantly with a leverless controller is a killer. I can barely even use a mouse and keyboard anymore for the most casual of web browsing, let alone work (like I used to), and even then I pay for it constantly when I over do it. I can at least use an arcade stick occasionally for a bit and have some fun, but a leverless is a no-go. It still Fs up my right hand using the buttons, but at least I save my left hand to get by.

[gusty forge]

What's that fighting game where you use two joysticks to play?

I know vge covered it at some point

Actually it's probably just Buriki One

[void bronze]

Clearly we need a helmet controller that just reads your thoughts, that's the most ergonomic controller

[charred ore]

Karate Champ?

[timber condor]

Virtual On

[void bronze]

That's not a fighting game

I mean, yes, the robots fight, but that dosen't count

That's like calling Metal Slug a First Person Shooter because you shoot the first person you see

[long swift]

I think metal slug 3 is probably my favourite FPS

[azure shadow]

Same, but from hypermobility

I’m only on a touchpad for mouse work and I have to use the lightest keyboards possible and take breaks

[tight seal]

doesn't use two sticks, it's a stick + 2 buttons for movement

can't use 2 sticks with buriki one cuz you have to hold both buttons down to block

[stray pelican]

I knew that felt familar.

[timber condor]

CASE CLOSED

daaaab to the left, daaaaaab to the right

[void bronze]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-no-nonono-noooo-cat-no-gif-13597132752790194338

[timber condor]

oh… damnit 😢

[livid badge]

That gif needs a third NO

[gusty lark]

Yea basically 1 button = 1 special move

I mean aren’t we already there mostly since Guilty Gear Xrd with the alternative gameplay features also found in Street Fighter 6

Bring back 1 frame links, remove the stupid modern frame buffers, bring it all back

Even the glorious 2D sprites (Street Fighter 4 was awesome though before character design in Street Fighter 5 went incredibly south)

[gusty forge]

Street fighting needs to go back to just being something you do in real life with your friends

No frame buffers, no easy one frame links, you're supporting your local scene

[weak laurel]

and extra costumes are less expensive

[lament barn]

I bought the Mayflash F500, it's great for my needs. Thanks!

[topaz prairie]

Good to hear

[void bronze]

I always found that company name weird, it sounds like a faulty nand chip

"It MAY flash, but probably won't"

[gusty lark]

I miss street fighter 4 so much
what insane times those were

[lament barn]

I'm currently playing Mortal Kombat II, the difficulty level in this game was crazy :))))

[stray pelican]

Damn input reading cheating game.

[long swift]

Really fun game

[void bronze]

Street Fighter characters got.... weird after 2

I will never forget that odd move Seth had in 4

https://tenor.com/view/street-fighter-street-fighter-iv-seth-gif-8128631360787211630

[silent plank]

Yeah, it is around SSF2T levels of CPU cheating. My experience with the game as a kid was the dos version. Got a MK2 board later on thinking things would be similar and could not even beat the second cpu fight.

[topaz prairie]

Yeah you can’t play for real you have to do silly shit to exploit the AI

[tight seal]

maybe like a handful were weird

also acting if a green electric brazilian isnt a bit odd either

[void bronze]

Blank was the single weird character, and not even that crazy, he was just a sort of animalistic/hulk like character. About a third of the SF3 cast was weird, and then we have a boss in SF4 with a giant yin-yang beach ball in his chest where he twists around like he's made out of rubber and slams his head into the ground for one of his attacks

[cosmic vault]

Dhalsim also very normal

[young elbow]

Dhalsim always reminded me of Mr.Tickle

https://tenor.com/view/allow-me-to-demonstrate-mr-tickle-the-mr-men-show-renegade-animation-cartoon-network-gif-13189226449163472069

Mr.Men fighting game when?

[cosmic vault]

surely this exists in mugen

[void bronze]

https://tenor.com/view/ronald-mcdonald-mugen-fighting-game-mugen-smash-bros-fighting-game-gif-20602199

What dosen't exist in Mugen?

[tight seal]

popee the performer

[lament barn]

luckily I have the option to modify the character's AI behavior in MK2 😅

[azure sierra]

we need more weirdos in sf6

bring back hakan

tired of big titty waifus

[tight seal]

you're getting your yearly swimsuit costumes and you're gonna like it

[silent plank]

I only play the 32x ultimate edition because nerfed ai. No idea if other versions have something similar.

[void bronze]

Nothing will top the weirdness of Pocket Fighter though

https://tenor.com/view/chunli-zangief-confession-combo-street-fighter-gif-16557247

Damn, can't find a gif of Akuma from Pocket Fighter turning into a clumsy construction worker and then stretching for a swim before diving into an inch tall puddle

Actual moves from that game BTW, didn't make them up. Pretty sure drugs were involved 🤣

[lament barn]

MK2 MiSTer

[cosmic vault]

Have they said anything about MK1 going out of beta? I thought someone said it was coming with MK2

dunno if that was speculation or something they said.

[frozen pelican]

you should ask on their discord

[cosmic vault]

RIP

Maybe I'll file an issue on github.

[gusty lark]

am I the only one getting very occasionnaly weird glitches in SF2 turbo on mister (cps2 core) ?
Sometimes the screen just "flashes" for like one or two frames of probably garbage, but it's rare (I'm using analog ouput to a PVM, it's the only core (and maybe only game?) where I've seen that happen

Could be like that on a real CPS2 hardware but I doubt it and don't remember seeing it in the hundred of hours I've seen japanese tournaments

[finite plaza]

If you are talking about Super Turbo It does that on the actual arcade board every now and then.

[gusty lark]

ah ok, thanks for confirming. I'll get a darksofted CPS2 board soon anyway

[lament barn]

Unfortunately, I don't know this, sorry

[silent plank]

I really want to see if they do, afaik, midway core on analogue pocket has not gone public after more than a year and a half.

[topaz prairie]

Also can confirm

T Hawk stage has it happen more frequently

And DJ

[gusty lark]

thanks for also confirming

what's the consensus these days regarding vega (claw) ? remember him being banned in japan at some point but seems no longer the case

[topaz prairie]

I don’t think he’s ever really been banned in Japan

[fallow ginkgo]

why would they not trust JAMMA epuipment? just make sure that the pin-7 is keyed and you won't do something stupid to it.

[fallow ginkgo]

overall the speed for CPS1 and CPS2 is not right

I am hopeful that the use of BRAM will help the core out.

[gusty lark]

yea this test still holds https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fR3D0fbRo2w
real hardware is ~1.35% faster than mister cps2 core

[fallow ginkgo]

this test counts everything from start to finish.

if you look at just in-game frames it's a tiny bit wider. Still much better than previous versions. I'm wondering if the accuracy will go up with the use of BRAM.

CPS1 you had to use the turbo mode but had similar speeds

wierd

I'm wondering if all of the other games like A1-A3 would change

A2 runs without a lot of slowdown that made it look more like software emulation than hardware emulation.

it seems there was a least a correlation of later games and better timed games by Capcom. I would like to have seen a crazy game like A2 ChunLi Stage on CPS2 compared to JTCPS2

[night tulip]

Has Jotego commented on this speed difference?

[cosmic vault]

yeah, his plan was to move it into BRAM iirc. but with the cps3 work, he hasn't gotten around to it yet

[modern ravine]

Thanks cps3 crowd

[cosmic vault]

Has there been any news on that front. Obviously friday wasn’t cps3, but there wasn’t an email update (which there has been in weeks past)

[rugged plaza]

Last news i heard was Jotego couldn't get the CPS3 core to boot on MiSTer (it works in simulation but doesn't on the real hardware). He was looking into it to find the reason why.

[violet rover]

it will still do this on the darksofted board. that's just how the game is

[azure shadow]

On the console ROM hacks? Or the Arcade version? (I wasn’t aware that there was an AI Nerf for the arcade)

[cosmic vault]

I believe they added hacks

[fathom cedar]

The Legacy Kollection has an AI nerf option that works very well.

Also a one button fatalities option.

[night tulip]

Are you referring to the option that forces the AI difficulty to stay constant throughout the game or is there an option that stop the input monitoring?

[lament barn]

this is an extra option available for MK2 core

[fathom cedar]

Just being able to set it super easy and then it doesn't go up in difficulty from fight to fight.

[night tulip]

Kintaro can still be a royal PITA, even set to 0 difficulty.

[lament barn]

yes it's true, but it's still more fun to play 🙂

[azure shadow]

Last I played, Sub Zero was really good against AI Kintaro, but that was on the 32x arcade hack.

[azure shadow]

Street Fighter 2 cheats but most of them pre SS2T are still some fun to play solo because there's a certain art to exploiting the CPU. MK I-III are just a joyless slog without the AI hack because of the non-stop input reading.

[azure shadow]

Oh, good to know, I didn't know if they'd actually implemented something like that.

[upper wigeon]

defeating mortal kombat ai was always playing the floor is lava with your opponent

jump back jump forward

you catch the ai in a loop like that

[azure shadow]

I maintain my case. That's absolutely no fun to play.

[upper wigeon]

yeah i mean as a game mk was always pretty dog shit imho

but as an experience it’s like one of the best games ever

the atmosphere, sound effects etc

i’ll always love me some mortal kombat.

landing a bone crushing uppercut and hearing the announcer go “oooooooo”

i love ki for the same reasons

[fathom cedar]

https://tenor.com/view/combo-breaker-combo-gif-15109656

[long swift]

MK was always super fun to play with friends but awful to play solo in the arcades

[silent plank]

I did enjoy MK1, subzero freeze, jump kick, slide and repeat! Everything you needed for 1cc. It really was just warm up till a second player showed up.

[cosmic vault]

that is the first video game combo I ever learned

[azure shadow]

Also agreed. The music and sound and backgrounds are all top notch.

Shang Tsung in the distant throne with all the monks watching. Iconic.

[topaz prairie]

gameplay-wise i'll agree that MK1/2 havent aged that gracefully but UMK3 still plays fantastic

presentation in MK1 and 2 is through the roof though, and had a lot to do with it's insane degree of popularity in the 90s

they're all very annoying to play arcade mode though, you do not play for real you just do dumb AI exploits

[fathom cedar]

Of the old 2D MK games, MK2 easily has the best presentation/production values. UMK3 easily has the best gameplay.

It was pretty clear that they either had to cut back on finisher quality especially in MK3 due to either time constraints or a larger roster making it less viable to do unique death animations for each character.

[void bronze]

The ones where they just punch them really really hard ot kick them really really hard were always lame

[fathom cedar]

A lot of them are just the bodies getting chopped up via generic cuts to the sprites. You'd even see arms just floating in the air.

The best finishers are the ones where the unique death animation is the same for every character. Like Sektor's clamp fatality, or Reptile's acid fatality.

[void bronze]

Course, that means you can't do it properly on anyone that didn't have human preportions or shapes

Like Sheeva, Goro, or Motaro

[azure shadow]

It also has the crazy hidden boss fights.

And even before that, I remember when Reptile was just a rumor and it turned out to be true.

Alpha is the first game of that generation that I remember feeling like it had a fair arcade mode.

(It still feels that way today)

[void bronze]

Yeah, Reptile being real was one of the rare times those videogame secrets rumors you heard during the playground ended up actually being true

I remember being shocked when the Hadouken in Megaman x ended up being real

[steep kite]

LOL at myself falling for EGM turning an SFII mis-translation into a rumor.

[void bronze]

I remember reading an article from that magazine once where they admitted Shen Long was an April Fools prank and were posting messages from people who fell for it or realized it was fake, and one of them was of someone posting about how they unlocked him. The magazine had a sarcastic reply about how they should look into it more in that case

[azure sierra]

you need to use strength to move the truck to find mew

[fathom cedar]

Only one I fell for was the first one they did with the Simon Belmont code for TMNT The Arcade Game on the NES. Never fell for it again after that!

[void bronze]

Of course, nowadays where it's standard for sych people to data mine games it's going to be hard to hide something like a character that needs actual assets, the most you can hide is something in the code for a feature or easter egg

[void bronze]

I fell for one that originally I thought was fake. Pikablu, I originally insisted it was fake, which was correct, but later changed my mind because of a translation error in the first Pokemon game which hinted that Raichu could evolve

There are NPCs in the game which you can trade Pokemon with, just about all of them will say the Pokemon you traded them evolved. Just about all of them have you trade a Pokemon that can evolve so that's not an issue, but one of them asks for a Raichu. Apparently in the original Japanese version they asked for something else but for some reason in the US version it was changed to Raichu, without changing that evolved message.

[void bronze]

About that... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i2x3pIvVnP4

[azure shadow]

The Kollection is on sale right now. It sounds like they made enough improvements that I will probably pick it up just to have a legal/nerf-friendly collection of the Arcade versions.

And if CC's version ever goes public, all the better.

[topaz prairie]

$32.50....tempting

[stray pelican]

The documentary is good too.

[fathom cedar]

It's worth it on PC and Xbox for sure. I'd avoid it on Switch and PS5 though. Still a lot of input lag in those versions.

[meager sage]

now that it has working VRR its very good, at least for single player

[shell apex]

Does anyone know who MK1 and MK2 have screen tearing even with vsync=2 and VRR working?
I have to set vsync=0 for it to work without tearing.

[lament barn]

For me, it doesn't matter whether it's an MK or another core; with my Samsung TV and VRR enabled, I always get screen tearing at the bottom.

The only solution is to turn off the GAME Mode option on the TV

then it works fine

[shell apex]

I also have a 6 year old QLED. You mean it could be the TV?

[shell apex]

So vsync2 with VRR but no game mode?

[lament barn]

yes

It works fine for me

But switching game mode on/off really annoys me, so I set VSync to 0 for MK1/2

https://github.com/MiSTer-devel/Arcade-Cave_MiSTer/issues/109

the same problem

[frozen pelican]

yeah, samsungs don't like the fake vrr where we just setup the vrr infoframes but send a 'normal' signal

[shell apex]

I plan to buy a LG oled next. Are those better?

[cosmic vault]

for this? yes

Samsungs are great movie tvs

terrible game tvs

[lone girder]

LG C5 and G5 OLEDs are incredible. Can't go wrong either way.

Samsungs usually are over saturated and most movie buffs don't like them because they aren't accurate unless you pay to get them professionally calibrated. Sony is generally considered (at least on their high end tvs) to have the best color accuracy out of the box. But having come from a Sony A95K to an LG G5 I gotta say the LG G5 is the most incredible TV I've ever owned for all use cases.

[void bronze]

I have a samsung and am surprised how well it can handle retro signals, though it's hdmi cutting out sometimes is very annoying

Has seperate composite and component when most tvs nowadays use those as the same port (though they do share the audio inputs) and handled 240p from retrovision cables correctly without missing or interlaced frames

[meager sage]

c5 is the best tv ive ever owned and its not even close

[runic hound]

Definitely if it's good enough. Cps3 setups are stupidly expensive and annoying to set up

[dry vessel]

I played on an actual board for ST and I had trouble doing DPs because I do them too fast. Got too used to playing on mister. Yes that's my excuse lol

[lone girder]

It's an amazing tv. I bought my wife the 77 C5 and got myself a 77 G5 and they are best tvs I've ever owned.

[young gull]

Must be pretty old if it still has analog inputs, I don't think I've seen that on a TV in the past 6 years or so.

[void bronze]

It's a 2017 model I think, what, do modern TVs not still have at least component?

Pretty sure all of them even still have RF for an antenna

[stray pelican]

The last two tv's I've bought over the last 2 years had nothing but HDMI.

[void bronze]

Yeah, looking at TVs now it's all HDMI, tht's disappointing. Even the ones that have a seperate breakout box where they would more than have enough room for analog inputs dno't, even though they still have rf

[long swift]

Gotta have rf for ye olde digital OTA

[gusty lark]

My baby

[gusty lark]

ah yes it happened even at evo on real hardware lol

[topaz prairie]

Called it lol

[silent plank]

Had some friends over and was telling them how accurate mister was, when the glitch hit, and everyone was just, did you see that? No way that happens on real hardware! Took me a while to find out it does.

[topaz prairie]

20 years ago people use to blame it on Kaillera then I got my board and was like wait a minute…

[void bronze]

Wonder if Capcom either didn't catch that or considered it not worth fixing, seems like a pretty big one to let go

[modern ravine]

Never saw that on my OG cps2 board, maybe revision specific?

[fallow ginkgo]

CPS1 hardware will do wierd stuff like flash a 1 frame cross hatch pattern. At least as far as SF2 CE and later are concerned...

[oblique elk]

At this point, is it pretty well accepted that the CPS2 core still runs a bit fast even after the revisions earlier this year?

That is, I know there has been debate for some time about the accuracy, but is that where the conversation on it currently stands?

[silent plank]

Fixes are planned but not until cps3 is out. Moving some things to bram iirc.

[winged galleon]

https://fxtwitter.com/topapate/status/2057886429187809650?s=20

jotego (@topapate)

Red Earth booting up in simulation, all layers finally visible. Very short simulation, but sound works, graphics works. Palette and garbled tiles are easy to fix, no worries. #MiSTerFPGA #CPS3

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FxTwitter · May 22, 2026, 6:08 PM

[cosmic vault]

Has he gotten it booting on device yet?

[kindred panther]

If you add fixup before the x dot com, the video embed works.

[winged galleon]

done

[gusty forge]

There are a couple other prefixes some people around here use

[timber condor]

I use stupidpenis because that’s the only one I remember

[gusty lark]

https://x.com/topapate/status/2058233132092969272?s=20

jotego (@topapate)

JTCPS3 is finally coming together #MiSTerFPGA

X · May 23, 2026, 5:06 PM

[cosmic vault]

yeah, he just sent out an update. sounds like we are close

[untold mortar]

Those memories with Andreas Naive, from May 2007.

[gusty lark]

what the fuck

[cosmic vault]

perfection

[topaz prairie]

Smear frames rule

[tight seal]

ryu getting beat up by a weird bomberman girl

[timber condor]

I like day vedeo garm

[void bronze]

Reminds me of the smear frames in The Dover Boys. I think the artist nearly got fired for that, but now it's a common animation technique.

[gusty lark]

why the fuck do I keep missing this shit

[young gull]

Cuz it's software emulation

Gg no re

[runic hound]

Because it's difficult

[night tulip]

Has there been any word of MK being released publicly?

[lone girder]

Bro that's their bread n butter for their patreon, that's gonna be in "beta testing" and I use that term loosely for probably ever lol

[timber condor]

I ain’t hating but really, Mortal Kombat? Isn’t MK2 much better?

[lone girder]

MK2 is also part of what I predict to be the "forever in beta" Patreon plan

[modern ravine]

Mk2 is much better.
Can be played while still having fun, though of course umk3 is better.

[somber sundial]

I don't think it'll be much longer till it's public. It's been in beta for about a month now for part 1 and less than a month for part 2.

[charred ore]

Have they brought anything out of beta yet?

[cosmic vault]

No, but I believe they said something was coming the first week in June

[glacial moat]

It'll magically become "public" when CPS3 Alpha/Beta drops or when JT starts working on Midway, totally not a coincidence

[lone girder]

Of course. Just mere chance 😆

[silent plank]

Their midway core has been in beta on the pocket for nearly 2 years. And no cores under their current licensing have gone public yet. I wouldn't hold my breath. You want their cores, just pony up.

[lone girder]

Even if it becomes public I won't touch anything those people are involved in.

I'd love MK1 and 2 on Mister, hopefully at some point in the future Jotego works on it.

[glacial moat]

also from what I heard, they might be sabotaging their entire codebase by slapping the wrong licenses and makes it incompatible with GPL

[somber sundial]

They've released several public cores and core updates. I don't see why they wouldn't release Midway eventually. I know some games that run on it are still in alpha though.

[glacial moat]

but have they released any source codes?

[somber sundial]

I'm no expert on that but I could have sworn they had public code out there. Maybe not recent stuff but older cores.

[glacial moat]

exactly, all their newer stuff isn't released because they demand "perfection", which is arbitrary

I do have an idea why though

[somber sundial]

Is that a completely bad thing?

[cosmic vault]

all of erin's old cores are still available on their repo. atrac privated all of his GPL licensed cores. Pramod archived the old version of their raizing cores. In leiu of releasing source code, they instead harass anyone who asks

[glacial moat]

have you ever seen a repo that is perfect and not needing any updates?

Its pretty childish

[somber sundial]

No, but I've also seen stuff released in broken states or having regression breakage. I'm sure there's a middle ground there.

But I guess time will ultimately tell right?

[glacial moat]

Sure, but currently, its looking like they don't want to release anything because they want to make money

[somber sundial]

I don't know if that's the case. I don't think so. But we can agree to disagree. A year from now I guess we'll know for sure, lol.

[cosmic vault]

i definitely think cores will come out of beta

but they won't release the source code

they have made that pretty clear

without directly saying it

[somber sundial]

Yeah, I can't speak to the source code. But I am confident these will come out of beta.

[gusty lark]

finally achieved it, and could do it 4 times in last 30 minutes or so, god bless

I need a tier list of 3rd strike's hardest combos so I can try others

[runic hound]

Good stuff

You should try it on other characters

Since their fall speed and hurtboxes are all different

It might be hardest on chun

Pretty much every difficult combo in this game boils down to a single properly timed juggle, it has overall pretty easy execution

Most famous examples i can think of at the moment are urien triple tackle headbutt

Akuma triple tatsu

Dudley triple mgb

There is also the combo trials lua script that somebody made for fbneo

https://youtube.com/shorts/SgQqkebwwCs?si=HH8n-S0LVjCNhj9M
This guy also posts some pretty cool ones

[gusty lark]

oh yea back then I played Urien and I had horrible success rate at the triple headbutt

[tight seal]

do the makoto sa2 tod on akuma 👀

[gusty lark]

is that harder ?

[tight seal]

you basically just do the combo you did on akuma once, he gets stunned then you taunt (for the damage buff) and do the combo on him again and he dies

[gusty lark]

ah yea, the rest is really easy, but it's a TOD on almost all the cast iirc ? I don't see what would be specific to akuma

[runic hound]

Nothing, he dies without having to do double fukiage

Which i think happens to remy too

[charred ore]

The combos in KOF XIII training mode are a nightmare, I give it a shot every so often when I feel a little too cocky about my skill. Very humbling lol

[gusty lark]

I'm pretty sure the makoto sa2 TOD would be way easier on a hitbox, I mean everything is basically easier on hitbox (of course when you master it, just like a stick)
I just refuse to switch because I'm arcade cabinet focused, the standard is and will always be a stick to me

[tight seal]

nah not really, arcade games feel ass on a hitbox

stuff like dashing and such is ezpz but trying to do half circles sucks because you can miss diagonal inputs or even accidentally skipping the down input entirely if you do it too fast/sloppily

[tight seal]

it's especially a nightmare if you don't know stuff like button holding for specials

actual combos outside of trials are pretty easy once you get the hang of it though

[gusty lark]

I'm also playing sf2 turbo again and learning T hawk and I find it really hard to do 360 negative edge option select stuff, I guess my timing is really bad

standing 360 is a no issue tho (it makes you also appreciate how easy it is since street fighter 3)

[timber condor]

Or buy the Mortal Kombat Legacy Collection which I hear is now awesome?

[fathom cedar]

This. It's great now.

[timber condor]

The man has a trophy in his name, how can you not trust him

[fathom cedar]

As long as you play it on PC or XBOX. Input lag is still a problem on PS4/5 and Switch 1/2.

[cosmic vault]

Do I need to enter a QR code to play it?

[timber condor]

See, this man Kombats

[cosmic vault]

and can I play it on more than one device?

[timber condor]

I don’t get it but that sounds kinda neat

[gusty lark]

fuck it now we learning Hugo

[gusty lark]

https://vxtwitter.com/topapate/status/2062060256016965792?s=20

jotego (@topapate)

Finally CPS3 boots on FPGA. The compiler was doing a wrong simplification breaking the logic.
This was debugged on a SiDi128 that has a broken video DAC, hence the odd colors

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vxTwitter / fixvx · Jun 3, 2026, 6:34 AM

[lone girder]

Mister only knows how to do one thing, and one thing only. Win