Arcades - Shooting Cores

[warped hare]

I'm constantly surprised by people having CRT trouble because the only MiSTer experience I have is with the Irken JAMMA Expander, and it Just Works. With everything. I thought that was the standard.

[unreal marsh]

I think the OG analog IO boards and misteraddons boards work too, I think it’s because the new reference boards (9.2) require framework updates and some cores have just languished on older versions

[dawn moat]

Yeah, that’s precisely the issue. There are a lot of 9.2 boards out there now, and those games won’t output to them.

[dawn moat]

Does anyone know what is wrong with Hotdog Storm? It is listed as WIP in the repo? Was it just sound weirdness, or something else?

[restive spade]

I remember back in the day it was in pre alpha state

it has some screen tearing

[desert forge]

is the raiden core publicly released?

[small rover]

No, WIP.

[desert forge]

can’t wait

raiden is such a classic

[hallow galleon]

Dodonpachi, Guwange and esprade look as good as the stable version, can't tell any differences. Played a couple of levels of mazinger z, things look good.

[cyan ocean]

Plider on!

[sage kayak]

So if I wanted to try this with guwange while keeping my existing one i'd just need to rename this rbf slightly then duplicate my guwange mra and change a value in it?

[dawn moat]

yeah, or you can change your existing one to .bak or something, play with this one and see if there are issues, and then swap back when you're done - that may be easier

[sage kayak]

Ohh yeah that's the better option

[dawn moat]

appreciate you all testing this

90% of the RBFs I generated while working on this were byte matched to the previous version...but there were still 10% that were different

mazinger is all broken out into it's own thing, so the silly things I needed to do to make that work shouldn't touch the other games

[sage kayak]

I was able to credit feed my way through guwange and didn't notice any major issues

Still my favorite cave

[dawn moat]

pay2win

[sage kayak]

https://tenor.com/view/mood-baller-fast-and-the-furious-paul-walker-pockets-gif-16110395

[sage kayak]

That darius 2 coin insert sound is a top 10 coin insert sound

[restive spade]

Not noticing issue? It has issues in original core with the man eater worm boss

Unless that was fixed by nullobject

[sage kayak]

I actually kept an eye out for that in jesusfish's and didn't see it happen

It May have been fixed by null like you said

[restive spade]

It was a while back since I checked that core out

[restive spade]

This is going to trigger some die hard cave fans lol

[dawn moat]

I know :(. But I think I can get everything implemented. So they can be triggered while playing sailor moon

[restive spade]

What about vibe coding it based on the paper that nullobject based his core on?

[dawn moat]

Yeah, I am having codex pull everything in it can. I'm still not 100% sure mazinger is right, but it's close

[vestal wagon]

I think I still have all my chisel code that did the sailor moon/air gallet sprite decoding

[dawn moat]

I may hit you up for that. We will see if I can get it booting first

[vestal wagon]

sound stuff on that and gallet are more complicated. there's a 68k<->z80 two way communication and the z80 runs at 2x speed

the chisel code kinda had the cpu stuff stubbed out I think

[hallow galleon]

The worm sprite issue on levels 4 and 6 is still there. No change from stable.

[sage kayak]

The one coming through the gate?

[lofty acorn]

Little Update about my dream core among Darius series https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ng4DuOWxbtA

[hallow galleon]

Only issue I've noticed in mazinger is that when using the bomb, you get a flashing red line on the side of the screen.

[dawn moat]

the super weapon? or have I not gotten far enough to see the bomb

[rustic snow]

Hey so what are the updates for the cave core exactly? Just rewriting the framework using ai?

Anything in particular that we're looking to test, or just looking for glaring issues?

[dawn moat]

Just make sure everything runs. Mazinger is a new game that wasn’t running on the core previously, so look at that as well

[hallow galleon]

Yep, the super weapon.

[dawn moat]

HDMI or Analog?

[hallow galleon]

Hdmi, with rotation enabled.

[dawn moat]

coolio, I will look deeper into it when Im back home

[dawn moat]

yeah, I see it too. I also realize that the A B C are disappearing in the demo so I need to look at that

[heavy flume]

Sorry to ask, but how do I access the mortal Kombat family of mra files to be able to play the roms on Mister? Thank you in advance...

[brittle smelt]

You have to join coin-op collection's patreon

[heavy flume]

Ok thanks. I'll search for it. Unless you have a link. I mistakenly thought it was through jotego and realized that was incorrect

[rustic radish]

Why would you name a game hotdog storm!? It has nothing to do with hotdogs! The logo hints at it but that’s it, so disappointing!

[heavy flume]

Ok. I am a noob, obviously. I have joined their patreon but am I correct in understanding that I will have to be a member to continue playing mk and mk2 in the future? If so, that's kinda lame, IMO

[brittle smelt]

Idk maybe? I'm not a patreon of theirs

[hallow galleon]

They have mentioned their cores will be public eventually.

[heavy flume]

Ok. Thanks for replies, y'all.

Who are the folks working on the pgm core?

Tbh, Mister is blowing my mind and has gotten me back into retro gaming in a major way.

[sage kayak]

Wikerwaka is making that

There's a channel for it but it's very early

https://discord.com/channels/647909397477195803/1472246427752202423

[heavy flume]

Very cool. Can't wait to see the final product!

[heavy flume]

I think I saw a link to wikerwaka's GitHub to build the pgm core but it required extra apps. I'm probably better off just waiting for a fully built and tested version to launch in the future

[dawn moat]

yeah, I would wait. I can't remember what boots right now but he is actively working on it

[unreal marsh]

Very lame. I think maybe if you told it not to update their cores you could keep playing after patreon expires but they are very unstable people so I’d still consider it a mortal kombat lease and avoid it

[warped hare]

CoinOpCo uses Patreon as a beta access system. You want to keep testing out the betas before public release, you pay for that joy. Once they're considered stable, they go free for everyone.

They're terrible communicators though, that's for sure.

[rustic radish]

Jotego does the same exact thing right?

[warped hare]

Yeah but he's not a Bad Person.

[dawn moat]

A solid differentiator

[unreal marsh]

It’s honestly a pretty low bar, just don’t make constant drama and tweet racist dog whistles. Contribute open source code in an open source project. Not like you have to be a saint or anything 🤷

[digital lotus]

Just tried Ninja Warriors a bit longer. The music and sfx seems completely broken in the sewer level.

[lofty acorn]

I need to test but it's very strange

I'm going to take another look

[lofty acorn]

I'm hearing the exact mame behave, this crackling sound effect not so good are in mame too, i'm wondering if it's not an entirely good dump, i'm working on a mixer by the way that could get much better result both darius 1 - 2 and ninja warrior but i don't know when it'll be ready

by the way i did it on darius that now is ggod with polite setting, but i think i need to parametrize ninja warrior to put this sound more in the mix, cause they are bad

[digital lotus]

The music is silent and the sfx mostly too, for some effects i get some static noise.

[lofty acorn]

i dont' have silent music

but i'll check again tomorrow

I have tested Darius 2 much more than ninja warrior 😄

Specific the Sewers?

[digital lotus]

Oh, just continue playing it and the music/sfx is back in the next level after the sewer.

[lofty acorn]

Ok thanks for the infos

By the way i got the schematics of soundboard, maybe the audio will improve

[digital lotus]

But for some reason in that level, after i died, i got a "game over" despite the fact that i inserted tons of credits.

Using the offical release, and the latest .mra i got today.

[lofty acorn]

i'll check this too, i have to play the entire mame version before

I hope that these problems are not in the rom dump

if it's like this we need someone with the boards

[digital lotus]

It looks really awesome on a big OLED screen though. Thanks for working on these ports. 👍

[lofty acorn]

Darius 2 by the way seems perfect in my test, at least 1 among 2 😄

i'm near 1cc so i played most of the game

[flint rover]

Nice, love me some Darius 2. Any chance of an updated test build soon? No rush though! Keep cooking.

[digital lotus]

Darius 2 seems more accessible than the Darius 1.

Also bigger sprites, i hate the mini sprites in part 1. I fail to shoot them often enough. 🤣

[flint rover]

It always makes me want some tuna sasimi.

[digital lotus]

Yeah, a bit fishy the Darius games.

[digital lotus]

Just completed Darius II. The arcade version is really the best. Great graphics and backgrounds too. Combined with the PC-Engine CD music it would be perfect.

[lofty acorn]

IT's public

[flint rover]

Oh, through update all? Didn't realize that.

[lofty acorn]

I don't know if update all just get it but you can find it on mister devel or my github

by the way guys some stars from you are free, please take 1 milliseconds to click it 😄

[flint rover]

Last one I grabbed from the test builds post from a couple weeks ago.

[digital lotus]

update_all already has it.

[lofty acorn]

ah ok, good

[flint rover]

Just grabbed it from the github. Didn't realize Darius 2 was public.

[zealous sapphire]

PR merge
https://github.com/jotego/jtcores/commit/ea40868c24d68f2db415dbfe5782dc4f8b555486

[lofty acorn]

If you love it like i love it https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ki_UTwo9kA4

[sage kayak]

Something about the look reminds me of the outfoxies

Wink wink nudge nudge 😉

[crimson mason]

The Shmup Junkie had an extensive festure on that

https://shmupjunkie.com/2021/08/discover-the-best-arcade-exclusive-games/

One of the best Arcade Exclusive games

[still moat]

dater easte

[lost river]

cannon dancer/osman is another top-tier game that never left arcades

[golden pawn]

Ported to Switch, PS4, Xbox a few years ago.

[lost river]

is it an actual port or just an emulator

[golden pawn]

Not sure.

[warped hare]

I don't get the love for this. It's a beautiful but scattershot Strider that's not nearly as good as Strider. If it wasn't the same creator and if it saw a wider release I believe we'd all think of it as a mediocre sequel.

[lost river]

different strokes, i guess. i always thought osman was way better than strider, especially in the visual and gameplay departments. strider 2 is probably the best of all of them, though

[flint rover]

Arcade Archives. So emulator. Edit: Actually scratch that. I don't think it was Arcade Archives.

[lost river]

i would still consider it an arcade exclusive if the only way to play it at home is via emulation

[cyan ocean]

I like the PS1 ports of Strider and Strider 2, though Strider 1 is on the Strider 2 disc and vice versa.

Didn't the company that did the Gleylancer console emulation do Osman? Ratilika or something like that?

[warped hare]

Very different strokes! Strider 2 was a hundred little one or two-screen stages that weren't connected at all, they might as well have been mini games played at random.

The pc Strider game was really great though. 😊

[lost river]

indeed. the core gameplay is still there in strider 2, but the levels flow differently

never played the PC game

[warped hare]

Pc game leans metroid a bit, but it's coherent and fairly well planned and balanced, and feels great to play. Captures the spirit well and the graphics are frequently gorgeous.

[flint rover]

It always bugged me that Strider 2 ran at only 30fps. Just feels wrong for an action game like that.

On PS1 anyway. No idea how the arcade version runs.

[crimson mason]

The arcade HW is a beefed up PSX in this case. Thus probably 30 fps as well.

[cyan ocean]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qCNuz2a9Nyg There's a comparison video that runs at 60 FPS, but I heard the main difference is that the PS1 version has a much larger score bonus for not getting hit. As far as I can tell, they both run at 30 FPS.

[hasty pond]

Hi! Hope this is the right place to post, recently got my SuperStation and am having issues running Battle Bakraid. Only the standard (found in alternates) core works for me but none of the Unlimited cores do; they all fail post. Hoping someone has some troubleshooting ideas!

[dawn moat]

Not sure, unfortunately. That core is from the Coin Op Collection and I think needs to be updated. IIRC, the SDRAM controller on them is not mature and prone to crashing

i see the same thing fwiw

it could also be that the MRAs aren't set up properly

[hasty pond]

Hmm alright, at least the standard core works!

Sounds like it's wait and see if it gets updated

appreciate the reply!

[raven aurora]

I’ve had issues like that with the Coin Op Collection cores even on an original de10-nano 😔

[untold root]

Garegga is in a similar loop when i randomly tested it on mine, very weird

Granted i’m just dicking around but its funny seeing the game reset constantly during attract mode

(Not really)

Seems to fail the checks too, hmm

Y’know i’ve only been here for a week but i get the vibe the coin op collection folk are… strange

Yeah bakraid and garegga hate the superstation lmao

Nothing functions for those two

[hallow galleon]

Look in the pins for the old versions of those games. I had to rollback as well. The old versions don't crash.

[rustic radish]

They are banned from MiSTer for targeted harassment, spreading misinformation and hatred, and they also sued a MiSTer YouTuber (and lost).

They make cool cores tho lol

even if they are closed source, which is also strange

[dawn moat]

the funny part is I don't think they are banned? I think they just act like they are

[rustic radish]

oh lol

[rustic radish]

omg you’re right lolol

[neon tartan]

they make cool cores, possibly some of the best SHMUPs ever, but have some wild history

im here for the video games tho!

[rustic radish]

Yah just focus on that

retro game nerds can be really awful people unfortunately

but they can be really awesome people too

I guess it’s just “people” not specifically retro game nerds lol

[dawn moat]

every community has them

[zealous sapphire]

Zoar Core
https://misterfpga.org/viewtopic.php?p=107943#p107943

[rustic radish]

moar zoar

[zealous sapphire]

it is an old guy from 1982 😁

[broken prism]

hi hello uh

truxton 1 & truxton 2 - not working on CRTs ( I assume it affects the entire core)

not sure uh why

can any one confirm?

[dawn moat]

yeah, they haven't been updated for the 9.2 IO boards

those updates are coming™

[broken prism]

thanks heyz00s!

❤️

[warped hare]

They work via direct video, no problems. Still have the sound bugs though.

[broken prism]

I don't know what that means.

They don't work via analog video out for CRTs, VGA, s video, composite, and RGB (Scart)

Dunno what direct video means tho

[raven aurora]

Changing an ini setting lets you use an hdmi-vga converter for analog output

It makes the mister output a non-standard hdmi signal that, when decoded by an external dac like the cheapo one pictured, produces analog video the same way the io board does (more or less)

[broken prism]

oh nah yeah thats not gonna fly for me dawg, that uses the scaler

but yeah I'm good, im not gonna get a thingy just to convert my digital back to analog haha, I have an analog output proper

plus my digital output is connected to my capture card anywyas

[dawn moat]

It doesn't add any lag, it works like analog does, but yes, it's kind of a pain

[broken prism]

wait so it doesnt use the scaler?

[dawn moat]

direct video? no

[broken prism]

ohhh my bad

disregard my statement then, I do not know about these weirdo dark arts

[dawn moat]

no you're good, it comes out the hdmi port, you would be right to assume its using the scaler

[broken prism]

ye (but I was wrong lol)

interesting, but of course I'm happy waiting for the code to get updated like everything else 🙂

[warped hare]

I mean you could search for it and find out, right?

Because when you say 'it doesn't work on a crt' that's just inaccurate and basically false. It works on my CRTs fine. I have no idea what your mister has, hardware wise, that would prevent it from working. My mister with a JAMMA board works just fine on all three of my cabs.

So, I'm just saying, you have hardware solution X, whatever it is, and CRTs with X may not work, but my solution Y does.

Direct video has been a thing as long as I had my mister.

[potent ruin]

Can you share your working version of mister.ini file to test this adapter? It could be very useful to be able to use the second 128mb RAM module currently blocked by the i/o board. I'm very curious

[dawn moat]

Deep breath, duder. Not everyone knows about direct video. The game needs an update to be universally supported

[warped hare]

I really, really need to log the fuck off for a few months.

[raven aurora]

Feel like everyone on earth could benefit from a bit of that rn

(Not you logging off, everyone logging off)

[warped hare]

It's possible that both things are true. ^__^

[broken prism]

Yeah I should have said " doesn't work on CRTs using the standard analog outputs " - I don't know why you'd be using digital output for analog video so that wasn't something I considered. Just makes no sense to me

Now that I know there's a digital to analog solution I can clarify

[warped hare]

When I bought my MiSTer it was the better solution, and it's all I've ever used on my cabs. Every time someone has a CRT problem, it's never with a DV solution.

But yeah I'm at least as ignorant about your solution as you are/were about mine.

[broken prism]

not sure what you mean by better. I've never had issues with the standard analog out. I assumed they are standard for a reason.

The thing with this one singular core seems to be a one off issue. Every other core seems to be working just fine.

Just a coding bug that needs updates. Behind the 8 ball here

[warped hare]

Better as in back when I bought mine DV was 'better'. More colours.

[raven aurora]

Yeah, directvideo analog had 24 bit colour depth before the analog io boards did iirc

[warped hare]

☝️ Wot he said.

[raven aurora]

Here’s some relevant info from the docs @broken prism https://mister-devel.github.io/MkDocs_MiSTer/advanced/directvideo/#setup-for-rgb-signals

[broken prism]

Didn't know that - I try to avoid conversions and adapters

I got one of the new analog io boards that supports 24bit and I honestly can't tell a difference but I'm sure there is a tiny one.

You'd also lose the ability to capture digital which is one of the main reasons that makes the mister convenient for setups like mine.

So even if available it would then force me to buy a separate scaler to then capture

Now the cost is doubled

[raven aurora]

Yeah, I used DV back when I didn’t have an io board. It would also be okay for, eg, a second composite sync output for a crt light gun

[wanton compass]

this is the main reason why I never bothered with it

[broken prism]

To be fair I already have a retrotink for my PS2/Saturn /360 but I prefer the image out of the HDMI out.

For the light gun I have the little vga splitter thingy - works great!

[wanton compass]

the simultaneous scaled hdmi output + analog output is one of the coolest features of the mister, imo

[broken prism]

Yeah it's so good, you can also do some silly testing like I tested input lag LCD vs CRT using it

Which was fascinating

[raven aurora]

My first mister setup, back before cheap clones were a thing

[broken prism]

Nice! What year would you say this was?

[raven aurora]

Now I can afford io boards 🥹

Mid 2024

[broken prism]

My mister def had an io board haha and the USB multi as well... I bought it in 2021

Bougie

High class

The kings mister

[raven aurora]

According to my records, I got the unit in early 2022 but it was a while before I got the fancy case

[broken prism]

Yeah that tracks haha you got the parts separately

[raven aurora]

It actually sat unused until I came across the directvideo thing and found a CRT at my folks’ house

[rustic radish]

Appetite? These are digital files, not real food???

[tough basalt]

Oh and in shooting core news, I am going to fix the mra for donkey Kong 3 because it's a shooter, not a platformer, kthx

https://tenor.com/view/mic-drop-obama-barack-gif-13411519

[rustic radish]

https://tenor.com/view/falcon-sam-wilson-outta-line-but-gif-22091662

[dawn moat]

finally, the truth can be spoken aloud, without fear of retribution

[tough basalt]

I was submitting prs to that core and forget I had admin over that repo from a long time ago

[hallow galleon]

Mazinger looks good now. No longer glitches using the super weapon and also the white flashing after character select looks ok now. Will clear the big 3 later (ddp, esp, guwange) but played a few levels of each with no issues.

[dawn moat]

thanks buddy

[valid folio]

does this bypass the need for decompressing the sprite data?

[dawn moat]

yeah. will run off the vanilla mame rom

don't need to patch it

[still moat]

good job @dawn moat

[remote spoke]

pgm

[still moat]

#1472246427752202423

[dawn moat]

A little treat while we wait for sorg to accept my Mazinger PR. Still need to work on sound stuff with this one, but the gameplay looks and feels good. Would appreciate some extra eyes on it 🙂

(This will work without the patched rom that the closed-source core uses)

[flint rover]

I'll see if I can test it tomorrow. Thank you for your efforts on replacing the closed source versions.

[brittle smelt]

One thing I noticed was at the intro when you first start if you press fire you get sort of glitching or flashing. I've never played this so not sure if that's expected.

[dawn moat]

ohh, good catch. I will check

[zealous sapphire]

the top is cut for two line of pixels

[dawn moat]

That was another thing on my list that I meant to look at. it looked wrong

too busy trying to get it to center on a crt

[grim ingot]

is it catorgorized in HBMAME?

[zealous sapphire]

It is present since today on FBNeo as clone of super xevious

It is a bullet hell on Xevious world

[still moat]

oooh

[still moat]

is this rbf intended to replace the cave with the datecode you posted previously?

[dawn moat]

You can replace that. Or, what I do is I just have a folder on the root called _Dev. MRA goes in that folder, and then there is a cores folder in there as well, and the RBF goes in there

but that MRA and RBF are paired, so you shouldn't need to replace anything in your arcade folder

[still moat]

ok cool

i added that wip core repo to my downloader, so this is the kind of thing i love to see there when possible

im not sure when it gets updated/who directly maintains it haha

[dawn moat]

I may start putting stuff in there 🙂

that's a moondandy joint

[still moat]

please and thank you

[rancid moat]

will it be included in devel once? or is it intended to stay off-the-record so to speak

[dawn moat]

Oh as soon as folks here feel good about it, I will put it in the repo

I'm just putting it here for testing. my goal is to get all the cave games up and running. I have better references for some than others, though, so I don't promise the quality will be wonderful on all of them

but I kind of want to call the cave core "done"

since it's important (and PGM is coming)

[vestal wagon]

did the chisel->verilog rewrite unfuck things enough that the gallet sound cpu didn't immediately crap itself?

[dawn moat]

Yeah, I haven't really had any issues that were like "oh, this just won't work" Getting the dual OKI streams working without using all the BRAM was kind of a thing, but that finally started working last night

[vestal wagon]

the original core kinda wasted bram because every board type allocated what it needed

[dawn moat]

yeah, that's something I want to go back at and look at. we need some shared caches rather than everyone getting their own

[vestal wagon]

also gallet has more ram than some other boards, but it may not be used? I'm not 100% sure

more shocked the z80 hasn't crapped itself, unless you didn't bump the speed up yet

[dawn moat]

no, it's running at 8mhz (or it should be)

fixing the video in this next build and, if that goes well, I will push an update to my repo so folks can gaze at my slop

[vestal wagon]

in the scala stuff I bumped the speed up and the sdram was like NOOOOOOPE