🔨│crafting-help

[covert star]

Even more if u dont have currency to spare

[elder goblet]

build should be around 220% 😛

[covert star]

If u have to spare, go for the veiled MS

With ms qhile not being hit

[elder goblet]

i do and i dont, ill probably stop here then

last piece i need is a timeless jewel and theyre crazy expensive

[covert star]

Then settle and start with suffixes now hahaha

Glad you got the prefixes fast

[naive jetty]

zeal essnce

32% ms

[elder goblet]

rolling double t1 defense prefix with zeal sounds painful

[naive jetty]

i 0 ms in my ward build

use cowb+ambush to auto flick to enemy

fast cd thx to cowb

[elder goblet]

just have to finish up implicits, thx for the help friends 🙂

[naive jetty]

is a nice way to replace ms completely

[elder goblet]

ill try it out eventually im sure, but im not a huge fan of flicker type playstyle

[naive jetty]

not flicker fan also ,but huge qol to go zoom zoom

[covert star]

Glad you got it, nice one!

[wanton raven]

looking at making this for myself, any ideas on the best method?

[hardy pumice]

its always recomb

you want to set up 2+2 recombs until you end up with two 4mod bases, then do 4+4 and hope to end up with all 5

that last step is still only a 30% so its not exactly easy, but eventually it will work

just gotta use a whole lot of patience, awk orbs, dust and time

[rustic otter]

recombine for boot 3 prefix so RNG lol. is this right step to recombine? I aim for 3 prefix but i fail so many time\

[hardy pumice]

yea that looks fine

[wanton raven]

i figured as much, i was originally looking at using beast locks until all 3 suffixes but then got stuck at working out prefixes lol

[open otter]

yeah thats right

[hardy pumice]

yea thats not gonna work

both prefixes are incredibly bad weight

its hard enough to even alt spam for them to recomb, not to mention actually hit with some other method

[idle sluice]

how would I go about safely getting resists for suffixes on this base? Plan right now would be to keep both current prefixes, have crafted 3rd prefix, and then 2/3 resist suffixes

since it's a synth base I can't really risk recombs here and also can't just eldritch exalt/annul spam. I'd also like to keep the block prefixes, so I'm not sure what my options are outside lock prefixes and pray with reforge or something

alternatively would it be better to just scour, get spell block prefix on a magic base, and then go with imprints?

well on a shield i wouldn't be able to use eldritch implicits anyway, but same point

[boreal rover]

it sucks u cant get strands but what u aim for?

[idle sluice]

I'm mostly just looking to craft life prefix or lightning as extra chaos, or even more ideally have a big life prefix

and then for suffixes just any good chunk of resists, ideally with chaos resist as well

existing suffix right now is to be replaced, don't care for it

[boreal rover]

u can try to unveil a prefix and work on suffixes

or u can unveil either dd/chaos and x res craft another

u can go for preflock - ref life but u get what u get

unless u want to start over for prefixes in case it fills

and u miss annul

[idle sluice]

the more chaos res i can get the better, so in this case could I consider the steps to be something like:

1. block prefix, reforge life
2. block prefix, unveil chaos and x/DD
3. craft chaos and x

[hardy pumice]

why not reforge chaos for chaos res

the prefix is basically just block essence spam anyway, its not hard to get it back if you fail the reforges

[boreal rover]

u can do so or u can ref chaos and gamble unveil after & craft another, but its expensiver

[idle sluice]

I was worried I'd be stuck if I get a low roll since I don't mind low life, but with chaos res double chaos and x res seemed safer

[idle sluice]

makes sense, but yeah this does start to get pretty expensive

[boreal rover]

well....

u know where to stop and how deep u want to invest

[idle sluice]

true hm

[idle sluice]

also this is true, could I consider something like scour the item, and then start with just imprinted magic base with spell block?

in the end I'm also completely okay with crafted 50% block over the current block chance

[boreal rover]

then u would craft it other ways

just go for whatever mods u need

[idle sluice]

fair

much appreciated, will give it a try 🫡

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[hardy pumice]

at that point you can do something even more straightforward like chaos res essence spam

[idle sluice]

oh true that's significantly cheaper, only 39 essences to hit t1 spell block

can probably assume 10 times that for empty prefix/suffix and good rolls, still very cheap

much appreciated

[rustic otter]

lol i'm done with this, too hard

[boreal rover]

ward gear

[covert star]

Ended up pretty nice

[rustic otter]

next i'll craft ring, amulet and weapon lol

[distant tendon]

any better move than slamming ?

[covert star]

Prob not without losing the spell crit

[distant tendon]

thats fine though

[covert star]

I mean, if u get a bad mod cant u pref lock and reforge crit if u want crit again?

[jagged shadow]

If you don't mind losing suffix then what are you looking for there

[covert star]

Dont have craft of exile to check right now

[covert star]

Also that is important

[distant tendon]

i dont wanna lose the suffix .. but i can get back ..

[covert star]

Oh, yeah

[distant tendon]

looking for resist .. or ideally inc rarity support

[covert star]

I would slam, after all there is no other way to add things without losing that suffix first

[distant tendon]

yeah

well .. its good

[covert star]

Nice, t1 resis slam, lucky af

Grats!

[distant tendon]

people go for +1 sockted .. but I dont see the point .. minion pact is so broken .. dont need more damage

so I went for phys as

[covert star]

They just want the fun of making it better

I understand them hahahahaha

Limit testing a build

[sinful sedge]

What is best way to craft helical ring for strength stacker is it best just to use rage essence and spam until i get some acceptable mods or there is bether way for crafting. For good mods i expect chaos res , elemental res and life. Or to buy something for 35-40 div

[jagged shadow]

str stacker like msoz or str stacker like shrapnel ballista?

[sinful sedge]

msoz

[jagged shadow]

then all the mods you listed are irrelevant

you only want 2 mods

str over 200 and crit multi over 70

you'd craft with either global crit multi essence rolling for T1 str and bench craft all attributes, then add 2 mods you don't care about flipping negative and hit it with a mist, don't forget to do catalysts first

or you'd craft with rage essence, same idea

[sinful sedge]

Thx !giverep @jagged shadow

[steep dawn]

hello, how can i know if item is NO UNVEILED SUFFIXES?

[round burrow]

i've got a crucible base item, can i merge crucible nodes from first base to second with recombine?

[wraith prawn]

... msoz doesn't crit

[cerulean plinth]

No

[wraith prawn]

and depending on the stage of the build msoz does very much want ele/chaos res on the ring, there's not much room on rare item suffixes to put chaos res elsewhere, and ik quite a few setups that want at least some ele res on the ring

for a ~40 div range ring on a msoz build you're probably looking at essence str + chaos res + all attr + life ideally, and it'd be warlord influenced to activate BBD without a warlord CoE

not all str stackers want the same stuff on their rings lol

[wraith prawn]

that's been the BV chest historically and i think a lot of people just make it bc theyre familiar with it

[safe haven]

guys im dumb how can i add one more prefix with block chance to this shield?

[wraith prawn]

pretty sure u just have to recomb it on atp

[distant tendon]

recomb

[wraith prawn]

block chance is tagless (i.e. can't be targetted by any "reforge X" style options)

[safe haven]

so just i need same base item with good chance block and do 100% recomb?

correct?

[wraith prawn]

my understanding is that your best odds would be getting another shaper shield with 2 prefix mods, one of which you have on your first shield (t1 spell dmg, t1 spell block), and the other being t1 % to block

[safe haven]

and if i do 100% recomb i got item with 3 prefix with good chance right?

[wraith prawn]

by 100% recomb you mean "enable unpredictable recombination"? it's a fairly high chance to get A, B, C if you're combining A, B + B, C

[safe haven]

yeap
got it! will try

[wraith prawn]

somewhere around the 35% range iirc, and if you fail you'll almost always end up with another shield you can use to try again

[safe haven]

got it
if i wanna also have 1 shaper suffix what i need to do?
2 prefix t1 and shaper sufix?

[wraith prawn]

i suppose you could also shaper ex slam it later since none of your prefixes are a shaper mod, so you don't necessarily need to have shaper influence now

[wraith prawn]

depends on the suffix. i'm not super familiar with exact recombinator setups, i believe that'd be fine but the odds get progressively lower the more new mods you try to move on at once

[safe haven]

so will try god bless you

[wraith prawn]

though if you're willing to recomb several times, it's fairly likely you'll end up with either A, B, C or A, B, D and both could be used to try again

is ur goal ES on block?

[safe haven]

this one

[wraith prawn]

hm

that % DD makes it fairly expensive as a fair warning

idk what ur budget is

[safe haven]

i guess i will happy without dd 😄
coz i see this zero times

[wraith prawn]

i think its reasonable to make this for around 70 div? though, you do have a chance to brick the item

[iron shoal]

I'm trying to fracture Runic on a 28% quality golden kris, is chaos spamming my only hope to get this mod or is there an easier way?

[safe haven]

reason why i do this - coz this ma first craft so i learn mechanics and make fun

[wraith prawn]

which mod is "runic", again?

[wraith prawn]

how much are you willing to invest into the shield?

[safe haven]

all of my 100 div 😄

[iron shoal]

100-109% spell damage

[wraith prawn]

ok, there's two ways i can think of to approach it.
you can either recomb on the 3 prefixes, and the shaper suffix you want. This would most likely be done by getting 2 shields, both with 3 mods. An example would be A, B, C + A, B, D. you could skip a step if you get lucky, though, and recomb on more mods at once. If you have 2 free suffixes, then, you can multimod, prefix lock, veiled exalt 2/3rds chance, block -> unveil DD
you could also recomb just A, B, C (3 prefixes) on, then you can prefix lock -> reforge defence with about a ~1 in 6 chance to hit the shaper mod. you do run a 1 in 12 chance of filling the item and bricking it every time you reforge, though. after that, you'd do the same steps as above to get the DD mod on

[wraith prawn]

super, super low weighted mod. cheapest way is probably just alt spamming for centuries, but you can reforge caster for higher odds. aetheric fossils are probably the fastest way but way more expensive

off the top of my head the total weight is ~50k for those prefixes, and t1 spell dmg is 40, so under a 0.1% chance *for any non-weighted prefix, e.g. via chaos or alt spamming

[wraith prawn]

the first option is almost certainly cheaper btw, it's just a bit more annoying if you don't like the recombinator like i do

[iron shoal]

Already spent like 2k clicks with alts, recombination seems easier right? should i just buy a base, fracture it, then move it over to the 28% quality one?

[wraith prawn]

i'm honestly not sure if you can move fractured mods onto a new base, if you can then yeah, if not then you can just move the mod over, then fracture after

28% kris aren't expensive iirc so it shouldnt be an issue if u lose base

[iron shoal]

okay

these are my two bases

it says 50% for success

[wraith prawn]

enable unpredictable recombination

[iron shoal]

so is that a 1/4 my kris gets it?

[wraith prawn]

unpredictable recomb is basically always better

[iron shoal]

ok

[wraith prawn]

i forget what the exact difference between the two is but it just kinda Behaves Better

[iron shoal]

is there snything i need to do before i send it

[wraith prawn]

if you fail recomb, odds that you keep base OR keep mod are fairly high

if u just wanna move the mod over not afaik

[iron shoal]

ok

[wraith prawn]

i think technically certain # of prefix/suffix combos give better odds but . this isn't that expensive of a recomb

[iron shoal]

kept the base, lost the mod

i'll go again then

[wraith prawn]

unlucky go agane

[iron shoal]

lost the base and the mod lol

lost the mod again

are you sure the 50/50 isnt better

[wraith prawn]

i mean it'd be a 25%, and i'm p sure that unpredictable can be >25%

[iron shoal]

lost the mod again

[wraith prawn]

u can do it if u want but crafting is rng sometimes win sometimes lose

[iron shoal]

does it weight the mods?

lost base

lost base and mod

hmm

[wraith prawn]

base is a clean 50|50, and which mods get moved on have to do with the # of prefixes and suffixes on each item, assuming that both items can naturally roll all mods present

[iron shoal]

lost base

[wraith prawn]

i can find The Data

[iron shoal]

oh shit, i got it

only took like 8 attempts but thats rng

now 1/4 frac

so thats what 32 recombs on average?

failed the frac damn

well that's all my dust, gotta farm then

[wraith prawn]

ok actually i cant find the data theres like 700 different versions of the recombinator science and i dont know which one is correct anymore lmfao

off the top of my head if you put less prefixes and more suffixes on the 28% qual base it'll work better, but that could totally be outdated so dont take it as gospel

[crystal relic]

guys how to craft item like that? i bought base with 14%chance to suppress, but idk how to do suffix and prefix like that. That's my first league in POE.

[iron shoal]

It's an eldrich craft so it's likely you will be rolling the prefixes and then using eldrich chaos and eldrich annul to roll two resist suffixes then finishing with a bench craft

[crystal relic]

i have right now sth like that, i used eldritch chaos, exalted and annulment

aa so i need to used eldritch, and thats only rng?

[iron shoal]

You can chaos spam to get your prefixes without losing the suppress. if you want life and armor that should be easy

Yes but you should only use the eldrich after you finished your prefixes

[crystal relic]

so now just use normal chaos orb to do life and armor, then eldritch?

[iron shoal]

Yes

You can also use an essence if you want

Instead of a chaos

What prefixes are you looking for?

[wraith prawn]

thats flat life and hybrid life t1

[crystal relic]

like on the screen, at least 150/160 hp and armour

[wraith prawn]

you can harvest reforge life for t1 life, then exalt slam and hope u get hybrid life

you can't use pristine fossils since hybrid is both defence and life

[iron shoal]

Thats a good idea too

[wraith prawn]

so that's rly all that u can do to get it consistently

[crystal relic]

it is problem, if i craft this +1 to leve socketed aoe gems or no?

before finich pref and suff

[iron shoal]

No you can recraft that later

You will be losing all the mods on the item if you reforge

except the fracture

[wraith prawn]

you craft it when you're at this stage. the 2 prefixes you want, one open prefix slot, and literally any suffixes

you can either do +1 or +2 at this point, but presumably you only need +1 if thats what the pob is showing

(and +1 is cheaper/easier)

benchcraft on +1 aoe, then use eater (blue!) influence on the item, and use eldritch currency to do suffixes. probably use eldritch chaos as a "scour" since theres a 2/3rds chance it'll remove all suffix mods, then just slam 2 non-eldritch exalts

ok well i got it in literally 1 slam but. it's not normally that easy.

then u can use eldritch ichors/embers to finish implicits and ur helm is done

[crystal relic]

thank u so much guys!

[iron shoal]

np post your results too

[wraith prawn]

you could also try and do it via recombination i guess, but i think it's cheap enough that just doing the prefixes via harvest bench is fine instead of praying for suppress fracture

@deft spear our friend returns..

[deft spear]

!bonk 189162763959009280

[crystal relic]

ok just to be sure 😄 i have t1 life, now use exalted orb. If its now hybrit armour/life again harvest?

not*

[wraith prawn]

yeah that's pretty much ur best odds. harvest reforge life for EITHER t1 hybrid life OR t1 life, exalt slam, pray for the other. if you hit and fill prefixes, try to annul the 3rd prefix. if you hit and only have 2 prefixes, ggnoobs

you can also settle on t2 hybrid with t1 life if you get it, it's not a huge difference and it's twice as common (it's the same rarity, but since you can get t2 or t1 if you're settling with t2, it makes it much easier to get)

[crystal relic]

i got t3, i think i will stay with that

[wraith prawn]

u have to annul the armour/evasion now

that takes up the 3rd prefix slot that u want to craft +1 aoe in

[crystal relic]

do 33% :p

so*

[wraith prawn]

yep

u should have waited to craft ur eldritch implicits btw, since u want it to be eater-dominant on the suffixes

it's not gonna brick the helm or anything, ur just gonna have to spam for them again

unless its already eater dominant in that helm idk the values for those mods

[crystal relic]

eater is dominant cause i used on this helmet eldritch already

just to learn how its work

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[unborn solar]

How to get lvl 84+ items on ritual this league? Tried running nighmare maps in ssf, but ilvl of items is 83. Want to get ritual helmet (Archdemon Crown) with ilvl 84+ but seen only 83

[wraith prawn]

can you not just up-level them via recombination?

the ilevel of an item made via unpredictable recombination is Avg[A, B] + 2, so combining it with a ilvl86 helm should give you [84]+2 = 86

[unborn solar]

yeah it worked, ty. Just tried on softcore

[wraith prawn]

np

[rocky frost]

anyone know how I can have the best chance to add a suffix to this? is it just exalt slam?

[hardy pumice]

craft any random prefix then exalt slam, voila it definitely will add a suffix

since prefixes got filled

[rustic otter]

Hi guys! Does anyone know to craft this amulet for ward build?

[covert star]

Seems like pretty much spamming essence of scorn until hitting t1 %es

then craftin lightning damage to attacks and using reflecting mist on it

that would be the expensive step

[rustic otter]

i guess spam ess then craft mod and use reflect mist right?

[wraith prawn]

have to annul to put that craft on there

[rustic otter]

and RNG

[covert star]

yep, but ofc what chloe said

you have to leave an empty pref

[wraith prawn]

to be clear, the only reason that mod is crafted is because you kind of Dont Care if it's positive or negative

[rustic otter]

so the main mods aim for positive is crit multi and %es right?

[wraith prawn]

if you have a mod that's actually good on there, then it's bad if it's negative, and it's very likely to go negative

yes

[rustic otter]

and dont care about the craft mod?

[rustic otter]

okay i will buy the base then try to craft

[wraith prawn]

essence crit multi + t1 % es + a mod that you don't care if it's positive or negative

like, imagine that mod was also ES. if that was -200 to Maximum Energy Shield, that would be bad

[covert star]

100%

[wraith prawn]

there's a 44/45* chance to get at least 1 negative mod when misting a focused amulet

so it's pretty important you have 1 mod you dont care about

[rustic otter]

so i just use reflect mist for now right

[boreal rover]

yes, if u want to just gamble simplex till hit

if u want u can hinekora lock check mist but i doubt u want that

[rustic otter]

yah i think so. so just reflect mist and pray, i guess

[boreal rover]

yup

gl

[rustic otter]

It's gone

[boreal rover]

good thing simplex is cheap af this league

mist = 2 simplex bases 😂

[rustic otter]

maybe i will craft another one

[boreal rover]

next one for sure

dont give up champ

[rustic otter]

Why do some people still buy failed bases?

I put it up for sale at 11div each and someone still bought it.

fail 4 times lol

[rustic otter]

7th times

[boreal rover]

ggs

shouldve check market price

on it

prolly cheaper

[rustic otter]

yah. but i have crafting experience lol

next one is this sword

[wraith prawn]

unlucky, 1 in 3

also got an unlucky scalar too

sometimes not lucky sometimes lucky

it will all even out

[boreal rover]

this is recomb right?

recomb-unveil-craft

recomb-crit ref-unveil

[tawny forge]

any experienced player could help me via PM if needed on how to craft this kind of bow? I know it is pretty expensive to make but could anyone bring me some light? I'm so lost rn

[rigid perch]

looking to add " lvl 10 endurance charge on melee stun as last prefix," anyone know how to go about this?

pm me if i miss ur msg here ❤️ wud appriciate a ton

[lapis mortar]

how do i get elusive on these

i want to see if i can get tailwind + onslaught and elusive

if possible

[compact phoenix]

u buy it or mirror it

because the implicits alone are already a fortune

[compact phoenix]

reforge crit with full suffixes + matron lock

[frigid gulch]

can you hinekora lock magic item and then imprint it?

i've seen most people imprint it then hinekora, but i dont get it why

[compact phoenix]

lock doesnt stay

[frigid gulch]

ah ,ty

[lapis mortar]

matron lock?

[compact phoenix]

wild bristle matron

[lapis mortar]

ah

[compact phoenix]

full suffixes guarantees a suffix cannot be changed as it is the only prefix metamod

or pay 2 divs for the benchcraft if youre lazy

[lapis mortar]

ah okay tyvm

well seems i might have messed something up somewhere

oh right forgot to elevate before awakening orb...

oh well atleast now i know how to craft them so tyvm

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[rustic otter]

for this step should i scour first then -> prefix cannot be changed -> reforge crit or just reforge crit without scour

[open otter]

If you are using reforge you dont need to clean first

[boreal rover]

no point, chances to fill are the same even if u scour

[compact phoenix]

there's usually a few more steps if u wanna use elevated ones

but go farm money first

[rustic otter]

i refoge and then it fill all the suffix

[compact phoenix]

rip

[rustic otter]

i think annul and pray

[lapis mortar]

@compact phoenix is Elusive a suffix?

how should i proceed to get movespeed

[cerulean plinth]

explode is extremely rare , if you can buy a triple synth base that have explode already and you will reroll for other 2 implicits . sure . but if you want to start from 0 . there is a big chance that you will never hit explode in 3-5k vultures. you cant really have an accurate cost for this.i rerolled around 8k vultures this league on reaver swords , never saw explode.

[open otter]

50/50 veiled exalt to unveil movement speed. You either remove the elusive or the suffix cant be changed

[lapis mortar]

hmm

ill try

just gotta sell some stuff to get it

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[compact phoenix]

veiled exalt

[rustic otter]

finally it's done

[rustic otter]

guys! is there anyway to craft this armour? i think i will start with fracture base

[covert star]

I dont know if there is something weird im not seeing, but most likely its an essence spam body armour till filling either suffixes or prefixes and then eldritch crafting

[fresh shard]

reforge defence/danse fossil for 3 t1pref

also can do 2 t1 pref-> keep pref reforge def and pray

[stable breach]

can u split cluster?

to get an implicit twice ?

like those legacy harvest impplciit ? or synth ?

[hardy pumice]

harvest was enchant anyway, enchanted items cant be split, and neither can synth

but no ive never seen a split cluster, has to be impossible

[rustic otter]

so how can i find chaos res and physical reduction on suffix after finished prefix

[fresh shard]

i belive its pure luck

you can pref cannot be change reforge chaos for t1 chaos and luck ex

or craft 3%phys red

[hardy pumice]

the reforge chaos is probably best, even though its still absolute trash

but really its probably easier to craft on a fractured prefix

[fresh shard]

he need +1str

[hardy pumice]

so what

[balmy imp]

Móc

[hardy pumice]

can use fossil for +1 str then lock suffix aug phys into reforge chaos

and after that prefix is free

its expensive of course to waste fossils just to try and hit two t1 mods in a row with reforge/augment, but lock prefix reforge into yolo exalt slam has to be even worse

[stable breach]

u tell me this here is considererd a enchant ?

it work witth regular jewel

oh cluster jewel line are considered as enchanted

this

[hardy pumice]

yea that makes sense why they cant be split

i mustve misremembered it then, harvest was implicit not enchant, unfortunately it doesnt matter, still cant split it

[stable breach]

i'm trying to capp my shock avoidance so I don't need jewelfor flask for that
since flask doesn't work on less flask effect mod

and with enough i'll eventyaly drop this and get and ewtra jewel

[hardy pumice]

on standard?

i guess get those old avoid ones

[stable breach]

i wanted to put this jewel but I doesn't have space for it

unless i put a flask

anyway thx

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[fierce tangle]

Hey someone willing to craft me these boots ? have the currencies and i'll pay, no probs 🙏

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[cerulean plinth]

league or standard?

[fierce tangle]

league, already have the base btw

[compact phoenix]

bruh

this is easy

[cerulean plinth]

its very easy craft

[fierce tangle]

so no need to fracture it

[cerulean plinth]

i can do it for free

msg me same name as discord

[narrow thorn]

just spam your avoid ailment essence

[fierce tangle]

I'm just lagging too much my network is atm kinda bad so it takes too much time

this isnt even a joke LOL

[narrow thorn]

fair fair

my goat @compact phoenix

[fierce tangle]

thats why I'm asking for it

[compact phoenix]

thanks for the boots man

im going to double corrupt it for u

[wind venture]

i can if anyone didnt

[wanton raven]

Can someone santity check me on recombs, im trying to get 3x T1 prefix, recombing 2p + 1p1s, but I keep getting 1 mods at the end >.>

Happened 3 times now

None are exclusive or special, just alt rolled mods

[open otter]

If you are doing a 2+1 recomb the odds are bad

[wanton raven]

Whats the alternative when going for triple prefix?

[open otter]

You make 2+2 so one of the mods is double

[wanton raven]

Ahh ok

Ty ty

[wanton raven]

not a teeerible unveil in the end......im tempted to keep trying for DD though lol

[hardy pumice]

don't

[wanton raven]

xD

id lose 10 50/50s in a row removing the ES on block then fill and lose a prefix on annul im sure lol

[wraith prawn]

why would it be 50/50

oh wait nvm i get what ur talking ab

[hardy pumice]

well it shouldnt be a 50-50

[wraith prawn]

50/50 to annul the veiled mod

[hardy pumice]

you want to multimod+prefix lock

[wraith prawn]

66/33 to veil ex

[wanton raven]

oh yeah

[hardy pumice]

i guess you would at least try the annul yeah

[wanton raven]

maybe i sell this one and just go again

i did win the annul 3 times when it filled before

im due some bad luck haha

[wraith prawn]

up to u, depends how much u care about the ~10% damage u get from dd focused

[worthy wedge]

how make dex/str/int helical with t1 stats

fossils?

[wraith prawn]

str/dex/int/all attr, or just str/dex/int? and are you using this as, say, a mist base, or are you gonna influence it

the easiest way would be to essence, fracture, essence for the other t1

but if you're doing this on an influenced ring you can't fracture

[dull maple]

bro

[worthy wedge]

@wraith prawn if possible with all att t1,but just that 3 stats work too

[wraith prawn]

this is doable pretty much the same way, bit of rng involved though

[worthy wedge]

what u think big chance to reflect like str/dex and all attribute if make it without int

[wraith prawn]

so, Essence Str + Essence Dex + T1 All Attribute + no other mods?

[worthy wedge]

yea

[wraith prawn]

1 in 8 mists

[worthy wedge]

cause i know reflect all stats like that its avg 20+ mists and i know my luck its will be 100+ mists XD

[wraith prawn]

"20+"

its 97 lol

[worthy wedge]

if that 97+ i will spend 400+ XD

!giverep @wraith prawn

[wraith prawn]

though, this is if you have 5 reflectable mods

i believe if you use an aspect mod (which can't be reflected), it's ~1 in 5

an example would be like

sec

[worthy wedge]

i dont understand how ppl make ASPECT MODE,and what that give if u have it

[jolly parrot]

is str not a natural roll on these bases

[wraith prawn]

the Grants level # Aspect of the X Skill is a beastcrafted modifier. you don't use it because you wan't the skill, but rather you use it because when you use a reflecting mist, it can not be reflected, which gives you a better chance at getting the mods you want reflected to be reflected

[wraith prawn]

half weight of int

on a int/str helm it's 1000 per tier for int and 500 per tier for str

also int goes to 60 and str to 55

but both r natural

[worthy wedge]

@wraith prawn seems make reflect ring for my dex stack its cost much cause i need fracture base with crit multi,then roll with dex essence all att,then other garbage mode and reflect that,but if u make aspect 30 spider skill,how roll other modes ez

this beast randomly give other modes when u use it or how its work

[wraith prawn]

the beastcraft is basically an exalt

it just adds the mod

[worthy wedge]

oh i saw on craftexile its give on rare item i just need free slot for that while roll

so i need on crit multi base hit dex all att,free place to add aspect added then use mist

[wraith prawn]

dex/multi/all attr are the 3 mods you want misted?

[worthy wedge]

yea

[wraith prawn]

fracture max roll essence crit multi (just spam until it's 37%, or 25% if you're holding alt. may aswell get a nice div on it if ur gonna fracture it)
spam dex essence for t1 all attr
at this point, if you have a prefix, make sure it's something you're okay with being negative (such as a very bad "adds x damage to attacks" mod, since that would likely become "adds x damage to attacks against you).
if it's not, then try to annul it. also, you need an open suffix to craft the aspect. can also annul that if need be
craft on a horrible prefix (if necessary), catalyst it with a suffix catalyst, and mist

craftofexile doesn't support a suffix catalyst, but. add that first, lol

[worthy wedge]

yea that i know,cause i want sweet crit multi for my build cause prefix never will be good

more funny when u playing att stacker builds like venom gyre u upgrade its only corrupt on unique items,and more hard find upgrades like a head with 2 auras and cost reserv ,once i see this helmet on trade for 900 divs ,and somebody bought it XD

[vale matrix]

Does anyone know how to craft these?

[wraith prawn]

i don't think you can recomb on abyss socket + temple mod, so i think that's just getting the temple mod on, fracturing it, then hollow+deft+corroded until you hit t1 suppress, which is pretty expensive. atp you eldritch t1 life (reforge life Maybe is cheaper idk, depends on eldritch annul/chaos prices), then suffix lock -> veiled ex 50/50 for one of the veiled mods u want, and benchcraft the other

although its prob better to get aoe higher since iirc your goal is to have exactly 100% conversion on a build or else u get strange bugs sometimes

[jolly parrot]

6 recombs to get here

not bad ngl

around 20-30d in total

whew

cost around 70d to make

[jolly parrot]

how would i go about crafting this

would i need multiple double influ bases and just recomb

or is there another way

[wraith prawn]

your first clue is that it's +58 to maximum strength. that means it's an essence

afaik essence mods don't play nice with recombs, i think you Could get it to move, but especially on a 28% qual base it probably wasn't crafted with recombs

i'd have to spend a sec in emulator to see the best way to do it, though it looks like nothing is elevated so it shouldn't be bad

[jolly parrot]

that str is elevated

but idc abt sacrificing that 3%

[wraith prawn]

o right boots str is 9%

[jolly parrot]

imma go fool around on craft of exile too

might come up with a plan

[wraith prawn]

poe is owning my entire computer atm

i cant open coe lmfao

oh wait im stupid stupid

[jolly parrot]

didn't take long at all

only 7 essences

i could try to isolate the suffixes and go from there with veiled for ms and call it a day

[wraith prawn]

the onslaught is from the veiled prefix, so it's just essence str for t1 int, reforge influence ig (or reforge attr now?), figure out how u wanna do prefixes whether its craftge jail or ref. defence -> veil ex dpeending on whatever ur budget is

if u dont care about int u could literally just essence spam for %str

[jolly parrot]

int doesn't matter

it's mainly str stacking

[wraith prawn]

this is standard then, no

cause like every str stacker i can think of in league is an alberons build

[jolly parrot]

imma settle for this

i could try to slam life

but chaos res is gonna be hard to get

[wraith prawn]

"incursion" lol

[jolly parrot]

i think it's like a 1/6

[wraith prawn]

ik u meant to do the veiled one but u put on the temple MS prefix

[jolly parrot]

either that or onslaught

[wraith prawn]

if u dont have a source of onslaught (tree, flask) and ur a blaster then onslaught gives more ms than not being hit lately

[jolly parrot]

yeah imma go for that

brb

15d in essence gone and i got nothing but t2 inc str

sheesh

[wraith prawn]

it's not a Super rare mod but its fairly low weight iirc

[jolly parrot]

done

got t1 str and elevated str

can't imprint this

reforge chaos isn't gonna work

what should i do with this

ideally i'd wanna reforge chaos for res but that is very low chance of working

[wraith prawn]

atp reforge chaos is pretty much ur best option unless u want a crafted chaos res mod at the very end lol

1 in 5 for t1

that is assuming chaos res is the only mod u want

u also have a 1 in 12 chance to be fuckign owned and have the whole item fill which is really funny

[wraith prawn]

but its unlikely

[jolly parrot]

bricked

[wraith prawn]

oh shit right that hunter mod exists

its like 1 in 6.5 or smth then

sad

[jolly parrot]

hmmm

i could go again

ngl

settle time

[wraith prawn]

i mean if ur chaos res is capped then the only other suffix ud have cared about is crafted all attr

but then prefixes are more annoying if u dont wanna settle

[jolly parrot]

it's not but chaos res really doesn't matter on this build

but it would've been nice to have

bis in my opinion

i thought it was 100%

didn't get onslaught

[wraith prawn]

there's 5 rollable categories for veiled mods on boots, and the highest weighted by far is MS; but you're only gonna be able to unveil 1 of those at a time, so you're looking at a bit below 1 in 3

[jolly parrot]

chilled again

[wraith prawn]

(the first one cannot be unveiled via a veiled chaos/ex mod, then ignoring that you have categories 4, 12, 2 (MS), 5, and 6.)

[jolly parrot]

gg

i could either craft life or slam and pray

[wraith prawn]

u can also craft life THEN slam and pray for defences if u would rather guarantee t4 life than gamble

[jolly parrot]

t5

[wraith prawn]

at higher budget u woulda prob done other prefixes then veiled ex is my guess but thats Rough

*is my guess bc i haven't looked at the exact best ways

[jolly parrot]

meh

not perfect but great temp boots

i will craft another pair once i do the mace

really great so far

just gotta craft a belt and mace

and somehow fix that chaos res

[rustic otter]

can you explain more about your crafting steps

[wraith prawn]

what they're saying is:
{fracture a prefix}
use fossil (faceted + corroded is best, pretty sure) for +str gems -> get rid of other suffixes
suffixes cannot be changed -> add a physical modifier (harvest), pray for t1
suffixes cannot be changed -> reforge chaos, pray for t1

you could alternatively use faceted + corroded + jagged and hope that you just also fossil into t1 pdr
addendum: you can obviously also do this and aug phys if you don't get it, check market and see if you think it's worth it, it's 1 in 45 to hit +1 str +t1 PDR, and 1 in 4 to hit +1 str standalone

aug phys is 1 in 9, reforge chaos is 1 in 6

i did check out of curiosity - it's a pretty ridiculous number of ex slams to get them back to back, if we include annuls it's about 4k ex, and therefore equally as many funny annuls, so even the horrific mindless Slam Slam is more expensive than just fracturing a prefix

[balmy tulip]

Hi, any1 know how to craft this boot

[rustic otter]

i understand now! thanks for your explain

[compact phoenix]

fracture mana, spam shock avoid essence for suppress, lock suffix, reforge any element for decent res, wild bristle matron for prefix cannot be changed, veiled chaos for movespeed

craft last mod

[lapis mortar]

idk if this goes in here but how do i get warlock influence on winterweave?

[wraith prawn]

get... what ??? on winterweave ???

if you mean warlord, then just chance a warlord coral ring (preferrably via benchcraft) until it gets unique. if u get the wrong unique go again

[lapis mortar]

ah

[lapis mortar]

oh wait yeah idk why i said warlock

xD

i just woke up is my excuse xD

[tepid mountain]

Guys, is it possible to safely remove or change these mods? I'd like to craft block chance but afraid to just annul

[compact phoenix]

no

[gentle stone]

You can only 2/6 annul and pray it hits one of those 2 prefixes and when it does craft suffixes cannot be changed and annul again and have 2/3 chance to not hit spell prefix

[tepid mountain]

!giverep @gentle stone

[somber crow]

@gentle stone, you have been promoted to Trusted Service Provider!

[tepid mountain]

I’m not sure how to phrase this, but are weights kind of global?

So in this case, if I do a reforge in Horticrafting for Defence, does that mean it’s 5000 weight for Faster Recharge and 800 for ES on Block? So the chance to hit ES on Block would be 800 / (5000 + 800) ≈ 0.14 - roughly 1 in 14 tries?

[open otter]

Yes but its about 1/8 since you have a 14% chance to hit es on block

[tepid mountain]

!giverep @open otter

[shadow axle]

approx how much would it cost to make myself a flicker sword?

something like this, maybe 1 link less

[boreal rover]

whatever u see "Mirrored" means its better to mirror or search on market

ppl selling them for less than a mirror on trade since they pivot to other builds

[gentle stone]

Very expensive and easily brickable to start over again

If u want a ‘cheap’ version just get a base with ruthless on it and base with 40% attack damage and awakeners orb then lock prefixes and reforge crit/speed until 2 crit mods/ 1 crit mod+faster attacks or whatever ur happy with

[analog dock]

why i cannot reforge a Crit mod on it?

[covert star]

You looking for crit mult?

[analog dock]

yes sir

[covert star]

That doesnt come from a natural roll, its only from essence if im not mistaken

Essence of scorn

[analog dock]

like i rerolled on some items before

idk what is going on with this time

[tropic cipher]

any tips on how to craft this crossbow?
https://poe.ninja/poe2/builds/vaal/character/shitmak3r-6965/NiceddFOTV

[covert star]

Yeah, but on a ring it cant naturally roll

Check craftofexile

[frosty skiff]

Hi how do I get the "increased area of effect" mod in this crafting project?

[open otter]

Fracture it on an area Medium and fog it till you get minion life

Or probably craft the whole cluster on an area one and then refeacting fog it to minion life

[covert star]

oh btw, checked your other ring as i saw it in pricing help

the reason u could reforge crit there was cause of warlord influence

this ring you showing here has no influence

[frosty skiff]

thank you!

!giverep @open otter

[covert star]

so you could use a warlord ex and hope to have good luck

[somber crow]

Did someone help you out? Show your appreciation!
Use !giverep @user to give them a rep point.
It only takes a second and means a lot.

[covert star]

blocking a prefix ofc to make sure you get a suffix

[knotty brook]

Hey guys, I’ve got 2 t1 phy 1crit elder staff, how do I force elder mod spell block onto it ?

[rocky frost]

Anyone know how I can craft %armor and energy shield on this without losing those suffixes?

[covert star]

eldritch crafting

that way you are secured to only modify prefixes

[young goblet]

If you want to get 100% shock avoid boots yoz need to either reroll again for 59% chance or divine the boots, cause the grand inplicit only goes up to 41%, which means 100 - 41 = 59% minimum as modifier

Exceptional mod isnt worth it i think (tho idk if upgrading the mod to exceptional could be cheaper than divine the explicit to 59%+)

[covert star]

prob using divines would be easier and cheaper

[young goblet]

Yeah

[gentle stone]

Wouldnt it be better to go for life prefix anyways instead of the few armour and es u get

I assume its a life build

[wispy rain]

can someone help me with the crafting recipe for this shield? tyty.

[gentle stone]

Looks like recomb because the crusader mod is the only crusader prefix you could slam if theres only a prefix open so that one is easy to hit

Or you could just harvest reforge for the prefixes and lock reforge crit to hit the 4 mods

[untold anvil]

Guys there's any way to remove life mod in chest ?

[covert star]

without risking the other mods? prob not

would need to see a picture to secure it tho

[untold anvil]

Oki one min

i just wanna to remove this life mod

[covert star]

best you can do there is using eldritch orb of annul

but no way to remove it without risking anything

will be 33% chances of winning

66% to remove either evasion or ES

[untold anvil]

sadly i just look at the mod it's life and evasion and i need the evasion xD

i think i will search for another chest then

[covert star]

if its yours, you can always sell it and craft another one for yourself

while im crafting i do that a lot at least

if i see something that would be profit, but its not exactly how i want it, i sell it and start the crafting again

[wraith prawn]

as someone already said its ~1 in 8 (14% chance), the way that weights work is just "pick a number from 1 to [total weight], where [modifier weight] is just the range of numbers associated with that modifier" so if youre getting a specific affix (prefix or suffix), it's just a random [weight of mod you want] / [total weights of mods you can get] chance

if you can get a prefix and a suffix (such as reforge defences on an int base chest) it still works the same way, though you should know that you can get a type of affix you dont want, the chance being [total weight of prefixes OR suffixes you can roll] / [total weight of mods you can roll]

[untold anvil]

no it's not mine

[covert star]

oh okay, was a question before buying then i assume haha

[untold anvil]

wanna learn craft ffr xD

[covert star]

glad u asked before buying then

[untold anvil]

yup

so i got another question

if i get this i can change the crafted mod on it right ?

[wraith prawn]

benchcrafted mods can be swapped, yes

[covert star]

@untold anvil

[untold anvil]

Ohhhhh okay then that's great !

I will try

[tepid mountain]

!giverep @wraith prawn

[tacit totem]

Just a question, if my prefix is full, 1 empty suffix, but i want to retain suffixes. whats my options?

[covert star]

Using an exalted

Or at least sounds like it

If u dont want to keep your prefixes you could eldritch annul

And craft suffix lock

But if its not armour you may be screwed

[tacit totem]

so this is the helm, im trying to get an open prefix to craft suffix cant be changed to slam veiled chaos

[covert star]

Oh, its influenced

I think u are screwed, but wouldnt say 100% as im on my phone omw to work

[fresh shard]

annul and pray

[tacit totem]

already annuled once

aaaa

[wraith prawn]

yeah u have to 60% annul

[tacit totem]

all because veiled chaos didnt give me the +2 aoe

[wraith prawn]

did u block minion

not a guarantee but +1 skeleton is best block for aoe

[tacit totem]

didnt have the space for that

[wraith prawn]

ah ic, unlucky

[tacit totem]

came packed to the brim with prefixes

here goes

60%

[wraith prawn]

oh wait yeah im stupid ofc thats why ur prefixes r full lol

[tacit totem]

!giverep @covert star

!giverep @wraith prawn

have a real chance this time

[wraith prawn]

i wanna say its around a 40% unveil? but thats just off the dome

[tacit totem]

i think i already fucked up the craft lol

[hardy pumice]

i dont think the zombie mod is the best block there anyway

gotta be the pdr

[wraith prawn]

2k vs 1.5k weight

zombie is weighted higher

[open otter]

pretty sure the play is the beast craft remove prefix add random suffix if you dont care about the extra suffix. For future reference

[wraith prawn]

yea, i figured they cared ab it until they said veiled chaos but was too late atp

[tacit totem]

ah dam i forgot beasts were a thing

took a 5 year break from poe and just got back to it like 3 days ago

[wraith prawn]

beastcrafts r good for Weird situations

or for making metamods cheaper

[tacit totem]

well the helm is fucked beyond repair now

gonna suck up the loss and just farm the 10d to get a premade one

[hardy pumice]

but we now use craft tier multipliers

so its 1.5 * 3 vs just 2k

those helms are pretty much the main reason people even figured out the craft tier multiplier formula

because for years people were using zombie as their block and for years it felt off, like the numbers just didnt add up, and then they finally did a major round of testing, something like 10000 unveil attempts on standard

[wraith prawn]

interesting, first i'm hearing about it personally (uneducated)

[hardy pumice]

i dont really know why that is honestly

[wraith prawn]

well, i did hear std players said a different block was good but i never looked into why or what it was

i have a Theory

[hardy pumice]

well, no i get why you havent heard of it, its because the info is for some reason really niche and not explained anywhere and nobody really talks about it

thats the part i dont really know why

[wraith prawn]

ok, my theory is that it has to do with legacy veiled mods having tiers, and that when they de-tiered them they consolodated the weights of all tiers into the weight of the mod itself, but i feel like if that was the case we would have found the correct weight by now

cause i don't believe the +skele one ever had tiers?

[hardy pumice]

that makes perfect sense, its everyone elses theory as well

[wraith prawn]

unless im just misremembering entirely bc i dont paly minions

[hardy pumice]

the amount of tiers the mods had in the old veil system is the amount of crafted tiers the mods still have in the game right now, thats why we just use those

[wraith prawn]

i found 7 legacy mods for PDR focused, and i believe that only 3 of them were the original one

yea checks out

[hardy pumice]

so the theory is there, the experimental data from ten thousand veil is there, it all adds up, and yet its still not mainstream knowledge and i dont really ever see anyone mention it

and thats like 2 years old data by now, its not even really new

just kind of forgotten for some reason

[wraith prawn]

i think it's cause it just spreads via word of mouth honestly, such as this very convo

like i immediately latched onto what you say other people have as the running theory, it's not unintuitive

it's just that large tools like craftofexile don't mention it anywhere so unless you're told it by someone who heard it etc etc, you don't know it

[hardy pumice]

well why dont they mention it

[wraith prawn]

and i even heard Tales from std crafters that another block was better, but honestly i just kinda dismissed it in my brain. i either forgot it or must have assumed it was placebo/legacy-related or who knows what, cause i HAD heard something

yeah that's the mystery to me

[hardy pumice]

thats my point, idk why it wasnt just accepted by everyone and used as the new weight standard

[wraith prawn]

the only thing i can think of is that it's possible the weights on coe were datamined and they didn't find the 4500 weighting from however they got it, and they're waiting for conclusive proof instead of experimental

but like . thousands of unveils is enough data that i dont think they should care

[hardy pumice]

no, that is 100% true

the datamined weights are still 1500, but thats not contradictory to the theory

[wraith prawn]

i need to know who datamined it, i'll just open ghidra and poke around for the 3x scalar myself lol

[hardy pumice]

i dont think you need ghidra for it? far as i remember there's a GGPK unpacker tool online that just unarchives everything thats packed into the ggpk, and you get a boatload of easily readable data that doesnt need decompiling

[wraith prawn]

idk if ghidra would even be rhe right tool . but like . if they want concrete evidence i'd be happy to go look for it in the name of Crafting Science

[hardy pumice]

but the theory was that when GGG removed the low tier mods from the unveil pool, they did so by simply changing the low tier mods to the highest tier

but they left the mods in the unveil pool

so now there are just several copies of certain mods in the pool, which is why some mods have effectively double or triple weight, simply because they have multiple instances of themselves in the pool

not because the actual weight was changed

[wraith prawn]

in that case that's super easy to check

in theory you don't even need it decompiled to check since it'd be the exact same string of bytes, though i think obviously it'd be both easier to find and to convince other people what it is if i had a decompiled version lol

may go look for the unpacker then

[hardy pumice]

you should likely just talk to the people in prohibited library discord

they are the ones usually doing that kind of stuff

[wraith prawn]

ye, figured as much

[hardy pumice]

even if you were able to find the exact data, that doesnt mean you would be able to prove or disprove anything, because its entirely possible that the unveiling logic is done server side, and all you get in your local files is just the mods and the weights, but whether or not they get duplicated in the backend we may not be able to figure out

you'd have to figure that part out as well, maybe its already known anyway

those guys would know

[wraith prawn]

understandable, but i think at that point you can say "hey we have 3 of this mod with this weight and it appears 3 times as likely as we have documented after thousands of trials"

like . that's not coincidence atp lol

[hardy pumice]

far as i understand it thats what they did

[wraith prawn]

hosted on a secondary server generally for poe datamining (as is typical in these projects to be fair), but yeah i got what you're talking ab, ill Poke Around in a few hrs and see if i cant confirm that there's 3 of the mod

[sand iris]

how do you even go about crafting this

[hardy pumice]

you can recomb into crusader slam into prefix, that should guarantee the dmg per block

then craft attack speed

you can see a lot of the influence prefixes are just one-offs, so an influ exalt slam will hit it guaranteed if you block all suffixes

[wraith prawn]

update: found the 3 copies of the old mod, at least, though these ones are all weighting 0. gotta keep poking

[wraith prawn]

ah, i see the problem now. the mod with weight is not redupliated in mods.datc64, which is probably why craftofexile just has the 1500 weight. there should be SOME way to find the other 3, but yeah it's not just out in the open

if i had to guess, that ^ is why it's not super well known, because CoE is just pulling this one entry for the weight. should've been manually updated though

[hardy pumice]

i believe all of coe is manually updated anyway lol

its not like its just a datamine autoupdated thing

the dev of the website used to even talk here a bunch

never asked about the veil thing though

[fringe magnet]

worth bothering with a mirror craft for an int stack wand this late into league from this base? kinda wanted IAS but didnt wanna stay in the prison for too long

otherwise I probably just try to sell the base, might still be someone that wants to bother continue rolling it for something specific

[hardy pumice]

i dont even know who would be qualified to answer that one lmao

research the mirror wand market see what exists

kinda hard for us average players to answer if a mirror craft is worth it like that

[fringe magnet]

xdd all good; I havent done any mirror crafts before so I'm kinda unsure about the worth of it; the current ones I find have 8% ias implicit instead and is like 2% more dps on the few builds I've looked it up on

and the people bothering to mirror will care about the 2% I guess

[hardy pumice]

if they already exist, i dont really see how its worth to make another one

depends how much they charge as the fee

did you look into that

because often enough if its some streamer shop item they dont charge anything or charge very little

then your wand would just not have any market

[fringe magnet]

yea I just wanted to go for it as a fun side-project and not really for the marketability of it, I was bored and had ran out of interesting things to craft mostly.

Ik Echo and sushi has theirs, one with IAS and one with crit multi

[hardy pumice]

if its a fun side project then sure its worth crafting

for the fun

dont think you would ever make any money back but as a craft experience its worth a lot

[fringe magnet]

Word, word. I was considering swapping over to int stack as well (currently on str stack) so figured it might be a pivot for that too.
Will see what I end up doing with it, the base as-is is kinda cool still so I might complete it anyway

[hardy pumice]

if you do complete it though, you will never again be able to roll those implicits

so maybe consider finishing them after all

would be a shame for it to be stuck with 5% pen forever

[fringe magnet]

meh, I'm alright with the 5% pen, it's only a tiny bit less than ias and I don't have the patience for the jailcell that is vivid vultures ;P

[wraith prawn]

i really doubt you'll profit atp in league off of a mirror wand, so it's just up to if you wanna

int stack is also kinda Not In this league (str stack | minion pact bv league) so

[hardy pumice]

int stack is in every league

sometimes not very meta but theres int stacking enthusiasts who play it every league

[wraith prawn]

oh yeah for sure, i just mean in terms of making profit off of a mirror item

triple synth items can be ludicrously expensive to craft, so you probably won't profit unless it's meta enough to get a lot of ppl mirroring it

[heavy lagoon]

I was looking up a ring that could be best for my character, and I noticed the same person had made like 10 rings. How would I go about crafting this kind of ring, with tier 1 stuff?

[jolly parrot]

17 recombs for this

finally

lost my mind spamming thousands of alts

[hardy pumice]

imagine how easy it would be if they tagged the aoe per strength mod with an attribute tag

[jolly parrot]

what's the best block for this

unveiled 10 times already using phys / ele pen and still nothing

trying to hit fire damage chance to ignite

14th unveil and nothing

is the phys block wrong

[hardy pumice]

no, its just extremely rare

but remember you can at least swap the damage types if you ever see cold or lightning

[jolly parrot]

HUHHHHH

???????

wdym

like switching fire res to cold res

[hardy pumice]

yes

[jolly parrot]

i've gotten cold and lightning like5 times now and kept re rolling

[hardy pumice]

i havent personally tried that one though, you'll have to be a test subject

if you hit that again, try it

they added a new craft this league for damage swap

[jolly parrot]

bruhhh

[hardy pumice]

havent applied it to the veil damage yet though

should work

[jolly parrot]

where were u went i spent 50d on beasts and exalts

[hardy pumice]

is that standard or something

50d sounds waaaaay too cheap for 14 veiled exalts

in league that'd be like half a mirror

[jolly parrot]

nah for wild bristle matrons

• veiled exalts

[hardy pumice]

14 veiled exalts is like 30d each in league

crazy pricing

but well, if you do roll those other damage ones, try the swap

unless you really are in standard

because in standard i imagine the new crafts dont exist

[jolly parrot]

i just bought 30 veiled exalts for 8 d

and like 40 wild bristles for 40d

[hardy pumice]

gonna have to keep trying to hit it normally then

i dont think on std the damage swap harvest craft exists

it requires mirage league currency

[jolly parrot]

thanks for getting my hopes up

[hardy pumice]

its a 1/7 unveil though, ur just way unlucky

[jolly parrot]

16 unveils

still nothing

sheesh

is it that bad

[hardy pumice]

actually 1/10

wcyd, its rare

[jolly parrot]

they really need to add a crafting table in menagerie

going back and fourth is horrible

[hardy pumice]

true!

[jolly parrot]

man

19 unveils

this mace has been nothing but a horrible experience

finally done

11m dps now

gotta craft the belt and fix the clusters

[gloomy drum]

Hello! Anyone know the best way to get these suffixes done?

[wraith prawn]

why wouldnt u just fracture the abyssal socket

that would make everything like 10 times easier

[gloomy drum]

Trying to do a veiled prefix after.

[wraith prawn]

whats stopping you from doing that with a fractured abyssal socket

hollowed fossil is gonna be p expensive to constantly redo if you want t1/t1 res, u want a fractured mod so u cant use strands to uptier bad res, i Guess you can get life+res+hollow then strand that but that feels like itd be more expensive than just fracturing the socket and doing prefixes w a veiled ex

[wraith prawn]

ok actually - coming back to this, they're a lot cheaper than they usually are. it may be marginally better to use them then, i'll go check that for you

ok. your limiting factor here is gonna be hollowed fossils vs veiled ex, a veiled ex is ~30 div, and we'd need 2 on average, so that's about 90 hollowed fossils' worth. with Hollow+Prismatic+Sanctified (we're going to ignore the price of everything else), this is about 113 fossils to get t1/t1 res, so over budget.
using strands would also mean you need a veiled ex unless you fractured after the fact (???), so that wouldn't really be cheaper either. i don't know why i forgot to consider the veiled prefix when i thought of that as an option

i guess the price of getting t1 life on the prefixes also comes into play, that may make them about even, though i'm still discounting sanctified fossils' price in that regard

[gloomy drum]

I'm not sure where the veiled ex comes into play for the suffixes. But it looks like my only choice is fossil spam right?

[wraith prawn]

veiled ex has nothing to do with the suffixes - but your end goal (t1 life, veiled prefix, abyss socket, t1 + t1 res) can be done EITHER by fracturing life and fossil spamming OR by fracturing abyss and using a veiled ex

if u already have the mod fractured then yeah, Hollow+Prismatic+Sanctified is probably the cheapest way to get those suffixes, but it's still probably a bit more expensive

oh actually the odds are worse than i thought, it's 1 in 130. for some reason i was doing the math for boots

so fracturing abyss socket almost certainly better

[gloomy drum]

Okay, thank you

!giverep @wraith prawn

[somber crow]

@wraith prawn, you have been promoted to TFT Friends!

[wraith prawn]

(also in general when spamming hollowed fossils remember that there's a surprisingly limited amount of them in the economy and the price will rapidly rise as you buy out all of the cheaper ones)

[deft hull]

AI, help me craft want

[jolly parrot]

whew

took less then 5 recombs

what a easy craft

[jolly parrot]

how would i go abt making this and reflecting it

[wraith prawn]

better idea

fracture dot essence

then use strength essence for t1 all attr

and more strength

[jolly parrot]

essence dot

then fracture

then ess str until t1 all attr

im not gonna use a lock on this

surely a 3+ can be achived

[wraith prawn]

get a bad prefix on

something u dont care about

like adds fire dmg to attacks

so that it can be positive or negative

makes ur odds better

[jolly parrot]

craft it on ?

or exalt slam

bc i don't wanna exalt a good mod on

[wraith prawn]

craft

u can also do channeling skill mana cost if u dont use any channeling skills

cause thats Even More Useless

this but with suffix catalyst instead if ur in league

[analog dock]

oww tysm

[wraith prawn]

then its like a ~1 in 5 - 1 in 6 mist

idk odds for 3/4 reflectable on a 5 mod item exactly but. its better than 1 in 8

[jolly parrot]

alr

be back after i find a helical

on craft of exile it took 72 essence after frac to hit all attr t1

[compact phoenix]

🤣

fracture +7 proj, chaos spam for t1 flat ele and perfect exalt slam for either ele damage or another flat ele, desecrate the flat one and then whittle suffixes

[pure steeple]

how would you craft this? i'm guessing...

• recomb block / block for 2p
• multi mod to fill suffixes
• crusader slam
• lock / reforge crit
• get lucky slam?
  how else could you get a usable second suffix? and do the heist bases drop 86, or do you have to recomb them up?

[tropic cipher]

ty ty

[wraith prawn]

honestly i think that "lucky slam" was just the result of a 5th mod being added during reforge crit. the prefixes you put are 100% correct - that gives a guarantee of that crusader prefix. the reforge crit seems right as well, just avoid the 1 in 12 to fill

you could multimod prefix lock veil ex for a Probably More Useful 5th mod, at a 66% chance and 34 divine fee, but honestly just crafting some block then slamming is fine

[pure steeple]

oh that's not a bad idea, unveil DD, craft whatever

[wraith prawn]

dd focused is more dps overall but i digress

as for if they spawn at level 86, honestly, I Think So is my best answer, but unless you're in ssf that doesn't matter, just put the ilvl in your search

[pure steeple]

heh... ssf 🙁

[wraith prawn]

can't tell if that's a yes or a 'hell no' lol

[pure steeple]

lol, yes i'm playing ssf. i don't think the bases will be too bad, the crusader orb is probably the bottleneck

[wraith prawn]

ssf checks out

unusually good grasp of crafting for someone asking in here

lol

then yeah in ur case def veiled ex

[pure steeple]

ya i will for sure, got a couple there without many plans for them yet.

[wraith prawn]

thats how it goes

[pure steeple]

teach a man to fish kinda thing, trade's fun to make crazy stuff, but ssf is fun to work out how to make somethign from nothing

[wraith prawn]

dw im familiar with the ssf experience, friends with one of the ssf-only sort of ppl

funny to be asked like "hey how does the currency exchange work" by the same guy who will send me a sub 3 hour ssf (i.e. no twink gear) campaign

[wraith prawn]

do u not just have a lot of crusader maps laying around

[pure steeple]

~11 if i bless them, still early league for me. i'll map a map atlas shortly

[wraith prawn]

ah ic

i completely forget the rate of crusader ex with decent ish quant on the map

but ur probably fine in that

u only need 1 anyways

[pure steeple]

yeah it's the only prefix, and i would guess it's ~5%, most things like that seem to be

[wraith prawn]

ok i give up i cant find baran theres like seven thousand files named after him and the wiki/poedb doesnt have the drop rate, i'm just gonna say Probably Yeah

idk if said files would even have the droprate, probably would be hosted on the server

[pure steeple]

i wonder if it's a set chance, like fragments, or scales with quant. i would think it scaled because it goes in the currency tab

[wraith prawn]

i believe it scales

[pure steeple]

!giverep @wraith prawn

[blazing abyss]

how someone can have that much of physical dmage on a ring?

[open otter]

essence phys and a good mist multi

[unreal egret]

its just manifold

or no +

life

its misted

[blazing abyss]

thx i get it

[unreal egret]

@blazing abyss 🙂

[blazing abyss]

!giverep @unreal egret @open otter

[unreal egret]

I think it needs to be separate messages ♥️

[blazing abyss]

!giverep @unreal egret

like this!

[gray quartz]

#🔨│crafting-help

[unreal egret]

get fracture base
tempering orb
spam essence for t1 (?) flat fire
lock prefix
reforge speed (can brick) or r/a speed
3 crafted + lock prefix
veiled exalt (hope you dont delete attack speed)
unveil mod
craft mod

[inner steeple]

If craft multimod+pref cannot be change chance to delete AS is 33% , if you craft only pref cannot be change chance to delete AS is 50%

[unreal egret]

you cant use veiled ex if mods are full

iirc

[inner steeple]

When did they manage to do this?

[unreal egret]

ah wait i was thinking about a different situation

[buoyant reef]

i have several questions, what would be the best thing to do with this? What could i realisticly sell this as is, and does anyone have interest in it as is?

[unreal egret]

looks like 150-200div (i dont think 11% int adds a lot of value to it tbh...)

https://www.pathofexile.com/trade/search/Mirage/veaXePXMIE

these ones are probably already better since they are t0 spellcrit

to "finish" this youre probably best crafting life and then slamming a foulborn exalted

or craft mana

if you accept high tier life

but then the base is kinda cooked

[brave bough]

That market is cooked, mine sold for about 240

[buoyant reef]

someone did suggest to yolo a orb of dominace hoping to elevated the int% or the spell crit, but theres a 50% chance to consume one of the already elevated mods basically destroying it, and i honestly cant afford that atm xD

so you two are basically saying to try and sell it for up to 200 div and move on?

[brave bough]

i would say so yeah, the base you would want to use locks on would probably be a necrotic not a twilight aswell

atleast my base would have sold for more than 240 if it was necro instead of twilight

[buoyant reef]

the thing is if int gets elevated it gains the +1 level of socketed int gems, which could be insane for minion pact users no?

the first time i aimed for rarity + explode i came across this one that i kept

[inner steeple]

I sold the same one 2 weeks ago for 300)

[unreal egret]

dont think you will get 200 for it tbh

[brave bough]

Yesnät

since it is a twilight base u also want ES on it

so if u want money its gonna be triple elevation + flat es + % inc es

[buoyant reef]

well i list the int% one for 250 for now, maybe someone will buy it, i reduce the price regularly till someone bites

[brave bough]

Theres this but its a necro base

and thats the cheapest triple elevation

[brave bough]

https://klipy.com/gifs/nod-puppy--k01KPX1MY01428TRSNTZ2HGH37W

[buoyant reef]

the only alternative i had in mind was using locks, looking at dominace for the right elevation, exalts and fouldborn exalts for t1 es (or another influence mod to make next elevation easier)

but i somehow doubt that i can afford that, nor if its even worth it

[brave bough]

mhm i think the end goal u have in mind is a recombi gamba aswell

because the other ones have a essence modifier + 3 elevations + 2 flat and % inc ES

[buoyant reef]

https://tenor.com/view/computer-stick-man-table-flip-look-at-you-9gag-gif-26257332

have i mentioned that my liquid currency is less than 20 div atm

[brave bough]

https://klipy.com/gifs/dog-glasses--k01KPX289G3TJRTBMXFR0SK2FYJ

Yeah sell it then

xD

I mean next league if u are fast at making currency early on and craft that u will make bank

atleast if they dont bonk bv and kboc is my plan

[buoyant reef]

does my net worth of 20 div make you confident that i can make fast money? 🥲

[brave bough]

if u put your mind to it u can

[bitter ridge]

Guys first time ever crafting clusters, how can I do something like this and what it will cost to craft?

[unreal egret]

https://www.pathofexile.com/trade/search/Mirage/RJb6JjdRs7

you buy the fractured one
then spam reforge speed or defence on it hoping to hit 35% aswell
or you alt+regal spam it then foulborn exalt
no better way

[brave bough]

Idk much about clusters but i would either chaos spam it or reforge

[brave bough]

yup

[unreal egret]

https://www.pathofexile.com/trade/search/Mirage/02XE2GWQFg

its probably better to buy one for 45d and save yourself the pain tbh

[bitter ridge]

ty a lot, cause for buy not perfect they are around 20d, with not ideal but good rolls, and I was thinking whether to buy or craft

guy had different fractures so i though he was self crafting

Thanks, I'll try to craft then maybe go and buy the last one needed!

[bitter ridge]

Also can be a good outcome to alt spam 35 effect and then try to fracture 35% effect? (or it's weight is ass?)

!giverep @unreal egret

[buoyant reef]

!giverep @unreal egret

!giverep @brave bough

[bitter ridge]

!giverep @brave bough

[brave bough]

https://klipy.com/gifs/for-you-cat-flower--k01KPX2YAEWJ93W3GH8GVRJ3J81

[brave bough]

Clusters are expencive cuz its a pain in the ass to craft

[buoyant reef]

just what you two deserve

[unreal egret]

It’s probably better to fracture attributes but whatever works for you
You can check poedb for weights 🙂

[brave bough]

the more annying the craft the higher the price

[bitter ridge]

true, ty guys again, i'll do my thing then and try not to f up my all currency

[unreal egret]

if you accept like t1 int or t1 other attributes

then probably go for effect

if you want all attributes then this is ideal

[buoyant reef]

this was a pain to craft, and when i finished it i looked at the prices i was, why tf did i craft it myself, i could have spared myself so much pain

[unreal egret]

they are both 300 weight btw @bitter ridge

[bitter ridge]

I am just trying to build spiders without caspiro jewel so I am kinda in "not knowing how much att I need" zone

[brave bough]

did u pob your plan?

Should get the general idea on how many t1-t3 u can afford