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[pulsar arch]

the %trengh

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[hardy pumice]

what influence is ur onyx

[pulsar arch]

elder warlord

[hardy pumice]

so then you need one warlord suffix and 3 random elder ones

u see how thats hard to set up

[pulsar arch]

exactly

[hardy pumice]

while with astrolabes you can have one warlord suffix and 3 random ones from a whole array of influences

[pulsar arch]

has to be 2 elder suffix and1 prefix

[hardy pumice]

yes

but when you do your lock suffix reforge influence, it'd likely roll more warlord mods which you dont want

[pulsar arch]

but on the astrolable it can role stuff like area of effect that can transefer to the simplex on the recominbator no ?

[hardy pumice]

so can your base

[compact phoenix]

brother just buy the astrolabe

[pulsar arch]

actually i do lock suffix add chaos for the dot multi

is it that much better ?

[compact phoenix]

you save money on a double influenced amulet but waste money on reforges

[pulsar arch]

i will if u all say so

[hardy pumice]

you have warlord and elder on the onyx, so like half of the influence modifiers are warlord, its hard to roll just elder

[compact phoenix]

if you're trying to make one of them strength stacker amulets, just buy an astrolabe

or else you're gonna end up spending a fortune on beasts and juice

[pulsar arch]

alright alright, i guess u are right, and ye i did spend a fortune already -.-

im kinda new to crafting

[crystal bison]

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[pulsar arch]

!giverep @hardy pumice

!giverep @compact phoenix

[crystal bison]

so what exactly do u think would be the best to do with that ring?

[hardy pumice]

you can try lock suffix reforge influence on the base you have and if ur really lucky it will actually roll another elder suffix

but if it doesnt you'd likely be better off restarting on astrolabe

[pulsar arch]

ye thought about that

i guess ill do that and pray, and go for the astroleable after if it fails

wait actually i cant lock suffixes

because i need a suffix influence mod

[hardy pumice]

thats not how it works

[pulsar arch]

so i can reforge minion later

[hardy pumice]

lock suffix just locks the ones already present

the empty space remains possible to fill

[pulsar arch]

ah right 😄

ye ye ye ur right 😄

[unreal egret]

Imprint magic if base is expensive
Spam essence for life
Craft suffix
Slam shaper for your mod
Then gamble prefix cannot be changed reforge chaos for chaos res
Restart if shaper slam fails

I think essence spam for life and chaos would be more expensive

Then doing this

Since its corrupt essence

[hardy pumice]

idk if essence is super spammable at this point, wasnt it like 1:4 with div

[unreal egret]

Yeah so
Probably the first way

Since spamming for life and chaos res is probably 1:400
or something

[hardy pumice]

so recombination does seem feasible

idk how expensive are the manifolds

[pulsar arch]

i was doing imprint of magic base with % strengh and suffix cannot and then reroll for chaos dot

[hardy pumice]

we're not talking about your ammy anymore

but yea what ur doing was fine, just shouldve been done on astrolabe

[pulsar arch]

||Item Class: Amulets
Rarity: Rare
Sol Torc
Onyx Amulet

Requirements:
Level: 64

Item Level: 86

+12 to all Attributes (implicit)

10% increased Strength
+11% to Chaos Damage over Time Multiplier
10% increased maximum Energy Shield
1% increased Damage per 15 Strength
Determination has 41% increased Mana Reservation Efficiency

Elder Item
Warlord Item
||
that is weird now

ye i guess

ah sorry my bad

[hardy pumice]

yolo annul suffix

also like damn can u try screenshots or something

i feel like im in the matrix having to imagine the item while looking at gibberish text

[crystal bison]

right now around 190c without any fractured/not mirrored

[hardy pumice]

thats peanuts then

[pulsar arch]

isnt it yolo annul prefix ?

i need 3 nn suffixes no ?

[hardy pumice]

well your suffix determ thing is warlord is it not

so its not nn

[pulsar arch]

oh right, i need all the other mods to not be warlord, sorry , but im not even sure if the dmg per strengh messes up the recomb anyway

[hardy pumice]

one single extra phys as fire essence is probably like half the price of the manifold base, so yea those bases are super cheap in comparison

[hardy pumice]

no, its fine

but the increased max es is not

[crystal bison]

I feel so stupid about the crafting fr

[pulsar arch]

ye, so double annul and slam for inf suffix, looks dead to me

[hardy pumice]

double annul isnt good

if you save your suffix just lock reforge again

if not, reset on astrolabe

[pulsar arch]

but determ still has to go, no ?

[hardy pumice]

and in the hypothetical scenario where you had the correct 1 warlord 2 elder suffix, you'd just lock suffix annul, doesnt have to be yolo

[pulsar arch]

wich is a suffix

[hardy pumice]

yes, thats what i said, save the suffix and reforge

annul until it either fully bricks or you save the suffix

dont get too attached to that base its bad anyway

just try it

[pulsar arch]

yy

y its dead

astroleable it is i guess

[hardy pumice]

this late into the league - i cant blame you. everything is really high price, theres low supply of stuff on market, and in general crafting anything is terrible

you're gonna be paying a huge late bloomer tax on any crafting atm

[pulsar arch]

late bloomer ?:D is that what i am ?

[hardy pumice]

im not responding to you there

[pulsar arch]

oh ok 😄

btw. how long do you play poe ?

[hardy pumice]

since ritual league, which was idk how long ago

[pulsar arch]

crafting alot since then i guess ?

[hardy pumice]

yes, its my main focus

[pulsar arch]

i see, i have started playing just right after beta and i almost never crafted alot

btw. are there any regexes for the astroleable ?

i mean in case i role a good mod u can imprint ?

[hardy pumice]

all you want is %strength, what regex do u need

[pulsar arch]

y just strengh of, but in case i role a very rare mod other ppl need to craft, seems to make sense to have that in mind because % strengh will take some time

[hardy pumice]

theres nothing else

nobody uses astrolabe for anything that isnt simplex/focused recomb

you can of course look out for %attribute, %int, %dex, if you really want to try selling it to someone else

that doesnt sound worthwhile to me

[pulsar arch]

ye probably, was just a thought

[crystal bison]

Ty again, will try to make something out of this, since i don't have anything else to spend my divs on probably this league

[hardy pumice]

maybe if you can hit +1 to all skills it's sellable

since thats an actual hard to roll mod

thats probably the only mod on the item that i'd consider selling though, everything else is whatever

[pulsar arch]

ah true, i only thought about influenced mods

hit the % strengh already tho

Is that still suffix lock and reforge chaos ?

[crystal bison]

by craft suffix do you mean suffixes cannot be changed?

[unreal egret]

no

[hardy pumice]

craft suffix means just any random suffix so your shaper exalt can only hit a prefix

[unreal egret]

craft any suffix

to block

[hardy pumice]

that should come with the asterisk of "you will likely have to annul or suffix to prefix beast craft"

because if suffix is already filled, u gotta open it up

[crystal bison]

okay, so probably i have to annul and hope it will hit suffix other than life

[hardy pumice]

but theres no essence mod

[crystal bison]

ah yeah

[hardy pumice]

whats the point

[crystal bison]

em

[unreal egret]

lmfao

[crystal bison]

i'm not sure...

[unreal egret]

did you imprint the ring magic?

or are you buying a new base

if youre not using the essence then idk

[crystal bison]

new base since it's like 190c

[tight raptor]

anyone know the odds of hitting either:
+1 to Level of Socketed Support Gems
+1 to Level of Socketed Gems
synth implicit
on a two hand sword?

[crystal bison]

i used essence of greed cause i thought that's what u mean

[unreal egret]

obviously you use the essence that gives the phys as extra mod

[crystal bison]

ah

fair enough

[unreal egret]

you will need 51 hysteria on average to hit just t1 life

that is not with open suffix or prefixes

[crystal bison]

okay got it

[unreal egret]

now you need to anull a prefix and a suffix

that isnt life or the essence mod

[hardy pumice]

I think honestly ur fine just annuling either

the open slot to craft 20% damage is really not that important imo

long as you get the 4 core mods of chaos res, phys as extra, reflect immune and life, the 5th one is whatever

so if you annul a suffix thats great just slam the exalt after blocking the suffix, and if you annul a prefix, use the suffix to prefix beast

[west vessel]

HELP is this consecrated ground mod good? or should i cancel awakener?

i mean descecrated ground

[hardy pumice]

its a prefix

you arent beast locking to see a good prefix, thats irrelevant, your next step would be ro reroll prefix for elusive and MS anyway

the idea is to hit a good suffix

[west vessel]

What does a good suffix entail?

effect of non damaging ailments? high res?

[marble talon]

Big res or something like that

[marble talon]

Wild bristle matron once u get the 3rd suffix decent to save money on bench craft being 2d to lock suffix before ur harvest reforge crit

[west vessel]

Do I have to scour prefixes - lock and reforge crit? or can i reforge crit from heree?

[unreal egret]

You can just reforge

It will remove all prefixes then roll new ones

Hopefully you don’t fill

[west vessel]

fingers crossed. sorry guys new to crafting... only got much currency this league to even attempt this

[unreal egret]

Post the result

[west vessel]

Safe!!! now what, where do i get mov speed from?

[unreal egret]

You lock suffix
And use veiled exalt

And pray you don’t remove elusive

[west vessel]

holy 28 divs why is this so expensive

[unreal egret]

Supply and demand

[west vessel]

I'm crying now

so scared....

[unreal egret]

Wait

You can craft a mod and block

Before unveiling

[west vessel]

what do i want to block?

[unreal egret]

https://poedb.tw/us/Boots_str_dex#ModifiersCalc

Check veiled mods

Craft any of the mods you can craft and don’t want to unveil

Like mana + life Regen

You should be getting any of the MS mods - else you’re giga unlucky

[west vessel]

life and mana it is i guess

[hardy pumice]

you decide? how would i know what ur build wants

if ur trying to sell, suppress, resists, attribute is good

check market to see what people sell

[west vessel]

yep thanks guys

[hardy pumice]

u probably want to divine it up a bit, the onslaught roll is real low

and then you can use harvest resist swaps to get perfect 48% of any resist

[west vessel]

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[unreal egret]

tailwind is either 25% divine

Or doesn’t matter

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[unreal egret]

Just fyi

[hardy pumice]

yea tailwind is rough lol, honestly i dont even know why people want it elevated so much

[unreal egret]

Since its 4% and needs 25% inc to be 5%

[unreal egret]

minmax

[hardy pumice]

its 8% though is it not

[unreal egret]

Ah ye

[hardy pumice]

u get 9% with 13+% effect

[unreal egret]

8 -> 10

[hardy pumice]

and 10 would require 25%

u say minmax but then people used to just awk orb slam those two together and get some dogshit suffix, and still be fine with it, because its the fabled double elevated boots

and yet the tailwind elevate is so low power level

[west vessel]

I am happy

[unreal egret]

„Best“ MS Mod too

[crystal bison]

Now shaper exalt, if it hits reflect then prefix cannot be changed and reforge for chaos res and all done?

[unreal egret]

Yeah

Is that minion mod a suffix?

Should be

[crystal bison]

yeah it's a suffix

[unreal egret]

Wait

You can craft „cannot roll caster modifier“

To remove some outcomes

https://poedb.tw/us/Rings#ModifiersCalc

Check the shaper prefixes here

[crystal bison]

oh true, 1/4 seems way better

[crystal bison]

Got it, thank you all again for help

Sadly got that life per enemy hit but still should be fine on bv, might as well help me with no regen maps

[knotty vector]

Hi, i want to know if its possible to gain a CorruptMod on "Item sells for much more to vendors" and keep 3 Synthe?

[compact phoenix]

yes

thats why people use it

[knotty vector]

Oh! Thanks, I just wanted to be sure.

[unreal egret]

That mod is bis on BV lol

[crystal bison]

Oh great then

[hardy pumice]

certainly beats 20% increased damage, thats really not a lot

[ripe dome]

do i just split into 3 now to maximize profit? or do i add memory strands first?

[unreal egret]

Just split and sell

[ripe dome]

ty

[stoic sleet]

whats the best way to add good prefixes?

[wraith prawn]

which prefixes do u want

and also how risk-averse are you

[clever olive]

lock suffix reforge defence if u want more armour

[wraith prawn]

this runs a fairly high chance of filling the item if youre not willing to settle (1 in 22 for t1%, 1 in 12 to fill)

which is why i asked how risk averse they are

realistically i dont think the suffixes are expensive enough to warrant caring too much about being forced into a 50/50 annul, but it is something to remember

[stoic sleet]

I'm looking for life and whatever armor I can get

movement would be nice but I can craft something good enough

bench

[wraith prawn]

this wouldnt be too bad to get ig, you're running at a fair chance of bricking the item (maybe 30-40% overall) if you want t1 life, but if you settle on t2 its way safer

[stoic sleet]

I'd settle for t2 life

[wraith prawn]

its generally much much easier to get veiled MS and then craft a 3rd prefix than it is to have ms be your crafted prefix

if you did want t1/t1 really the onyl way i can think of is slam slam which is pretty brutal and absolutely not worth it on boots like that

[stoic sleet]

I'm generally never dieing in the content im doing so will use them with or without more life

so matron then veiled chaos?

[wraith prawn]

in that case probably suffix lock (use the beastcraft, it's way cheaper) -> reforge life until u get t2, hopefully not forced into 50/50 annul, then suffix lock veiled ex

[wraith prawn]

this is fine if ur willing to get move speed + crafted life + whatever other 3rd mod

[stoic sleet]

will veiled ex remove my life?

veiled ex is 28 div damn

[clever olive]

veiled exalt 50/50

[stoic sleet]

thanks for the good guidance

[devout meadow]

I am in SSF. I have a veiled exalt and am thinking about using it on this sword. It's not as good as my current sword, but if I remove the 3rd prefix it will be a lot better. My other option is to split beast and then recomb to other weapons. What do you guys think is best?

[jagged shadow]

I wouldn't mess with this on SSF. I'd try to make a triple prefix one with recombinators and multimod suffixes. This one's pretty hot for SSF

[west vessel]

how how??

I'm guessing recomb.. But cant find any guides on this..

Is it a straight forward craft ?

[cursive violet]

not recomb. straightforward, but the painful part is hitting the triple faceted suffix package

fractured +2 minion → faceted fossil spam till +1 str/dex/int suffixes → wild bristle matron suffix lock → veiled chaos → if needed eldritch cleanup → bench-block → unveil phys-to-cold → bench AoE/area damage → eldritch implicits

[cursive violet]

@west vessel small correction: +2 socketed minion gems is a delve drop-only prefix, so unless you already have fractured +2 minion warlock gloves, there is an earlier recomb step

The idea is: get +2 minion on a donor item, recombine it onto the warlock base using a NNN essence mod as filler, then fracture the +2 minion prefix on the warlock gloves

Important part: the filler should be NNN, not essence-exclusive. Since +2 minion is already drop-only = exclusive, another exclusive mod can mess up the recomb

[pulsar arch]

Can i recomb this with a simplex % attri dmg per str or does it not work because of the shaper mod ?

[inner steeple]

not work with shaper mod

[pulsar arch]

ah nice thanks, yolo anul then i guess

[inner steeple]

you need warlord str and any non shaper influence mods

[pulsar arch]

ye right thanks again

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[cursive violet]

Recomb it in this configuration is a pretty bad idea because the shaper discipline suffix is live on the simplex branch

Suffix legal pool is:

A = attr, sqrt(800)
B = str, sqrt(500)
C = Discipline, sqrt(800)
D = Elder filler, dead/NNN

Pool size is still 4, so suffix count is 10/60/30, but simplex can only hold 2 suffixes; it depends on the first two legal suffix picks being A+B

P(A+B first two) = A/(A+B+C)*B/(B+C) + B/(A+B+C)*A/(A+C) ≈ 29.99%

Total:
50% * (60%+30%) * 29.99% = ~13.5%

So this donor drops the recomb from 45% to about 13.5%

[inner steeple]

nice math

[pulsar arch]

wow ok thats crazy, are you the albert einstein of poe1 ?

to be honest i didnt know that it has somethingto do with the FIRST 2 suffixes ß

i honestly also never understood why its a 45% Chance and not 50

[cursive violet]

It is not about the first 2 displayed suffixes, it is about the first 2 weighted legal picks

Recomb rolls suffix count, then fills the item one suffix at a time. Simplex has max 2 suffixes, so even a count 3 roll stops after 2 suffixes are actually placed

That means discipline is dangerous because if it is picked in slot 1 or 2, it eats one of the only two suffix slots. And since selection uses sqrt(weight), discipline sqrt(800) competes very hard with attr sqrt(800) and str sqrt(500)

[pulsar arch]

ye thats what i initially was affraid of, so it has to be any 2x (nn suffix) + % str and any nn prefix i guess

[cursive violet]

50% is only winning the simplex base

Then suffix count still has to roll high enough. With a 4-suffix pool:

10% rolls only 1 suffix = fail
60% + 30% rolls 2/3 suffixes = success

So:
50% * 90% = 45%

The lost 5% is the simplex-base branch where recomb only keeps 1 suffix

[pulsar arch]

Oh i see, so there is always a slim chance i might end up with 1 prefix and 1 suffix and im missing one of the needed suffixes ><

!giverep @cursive violet

This should be it right ?

ty ty ❤️

[devout meadow]

Unfortunately it's worse than my current weapon which is only t4/t3/crafted % phys and came from gambling on the first day. Turns out %phys is where most of the damage comes from 🙁

[jagged shadow]

A veil phys will only roll up to 129 but a T1 merciless goes to 179. It's really significant.

[devout meadow]

Another thing worth noting is I am using impale so a veiled phys may be just as good as a merciless roll.

Right now I am considering annuling or splitting it.

[solar cape]

im quite new to crafting. i need conc+burning+more ele damage. failed 14 of those. am i doing something wrong or is it totally rng?

[unreal egret]

Did you look up a guide for recombinator?

[solar cape]

didnt check deeply but i would like to read some stuff if you can adress me

[unreal egret]

https://www.reddit.com/r/pathofexile/s/9oLsRNJtEu

[solar cape]

chances seem so low lol. thanks, ill check it out

any other way to get this craft done? no i guess?

i guess i ve found, horror essences then suffixes cant be changed then slam

[hardy pumice]

reforge influence is decent for conc effect

but that recomb looks real bad, why do you have so many other trash mods on it, they will just end up taking the spots of the mods you actually want

[cursive violet]

You’re not doing anything impossible, but the inputs are very polluted

Your target is 1 specific prefix (conc) and 2 specific suffixes (burning + more ele). With these exact items you’re feeding a lot of junk into the pools: armour/minion life on prefixes and fire res/rarity/str/regen on suffixes

So the recomb is not just “combine these three mods”; it has to win conc out of the prefix pool and then win both desired suffixes out of a pretty bad suffix pool. Rough equal-weight estimate is only around ~10-12% per try, possibly worse. 14 misses is unlucky but not shocking

To improve it, clean/isolate the donors and duplicate target mods. Ideally use something like conc + burning on one donor and conc + more ele on the other, with as little junk as possible. Every extra suffix directly competes with burning/more ele

[jagged shadow]

i'm a bystander but wanted to ask since you seem to know, does the horror essence survive the recomb there or is it auto-gone?

[hardy pumice]

well its not auto-gone but it sure doesnt have great odds of surviving

[cursive violet]

Not auto-gone. Horror more-ele is an exclusive essence suffix, but since it’s the only exclusive mod in this setup, exclusivity isn’t what kills it. It just has to win the suffix pool

The impossible version would be trying to keep horror + elevated influence mods, because elevated mods are also exclusive and you can’t output multiple exclusives

[jagged shadow]

Really clear! Thank you. Exactly the info and context I needed.

!giverep @cursive violet

[solar cape]

!giverep @cursive violet

[tulip nova]

I'm trying to finish this belt for my MSoZ jugg in standard, and ideally i would want fire and chaos resist and flat life on there, i can craft one of them and use veiled exalt for the other, however this has about a 30% chance to brick the item, since it needs to hit either the eventual suffix lock or the energy shield for me to keep it, and it needs to unveil res or life both of which are about 2/3, is there anything with better odds or safer?
my other option would be to just keep rerolling life reforge with multimod+suffix cannot be changed until i hit good life and then craft fire and chaos res
i'm considering veiled exalt because unveiled life alone isn't good enough, but with the % increase it would be fine, and i could still craft the res
also if someone can check my math it would be nice
veiled suffix :1/2 x (2/3[any res is unveiled+1/9[res is not unveiled but i can hit 1/3 annulment]) +
veiled prefix: 1/2 x 2/3 (% life is not removed) x 2/3(+ max life/mana regen is unveiled)

[hardy pumice]

crafted or veiled life is terrible on belts, i wouldnt bother with it

its like 150 life as a regular t1 and 55 as crafted or veiled, the difference is so massive

ur best bet is likely to just recomb for 2p2s then craft ur fire/chaos res

so you'd get flat life, %life, strength, %attri and crafted fire/chaos res, plus whatever exalt in prefix

[tulip nova]

i don't really care for the % life i just thought that it would be similar to t1 life with veiled flat life, and i cannot really figure out recombinators so what i did is just keep reforging life until i hit decent flat life

[solid whale]

can other players help beat in-game bosses

[covert star]

Yes, you just have to be in party and they can join your maps

there are services for that also #👑│boss-carry-wts #👑│boss-carry-wtb

[wraith prawn]

msoz with anything other than a mb is trolling urself imo. str goes up sure but u lose so insanely much qol, and i dont think theres rly any std items that will offset the giant loss you're taking (shock immune, bleed immune, 90% res, chaos res, onslaught, etc) - in fact i'd say that especially in std, with legacy flask suffixes, mb is way better.

if you do really want to use a non-mb belt, i think a synth belt would be way better than a stygian anyways. you're not getting anything more out of BBD by having an influenced stygian. i guess you can argue the cost of it but i'm assuming if you're playing standard cost isn't a super big issue

[tulip nova]

I think that MB for sure is better for MS since i am shock and bleed immune, so it would be just for speed which most of the time comes from leap slam anw. bound by destiny is way better than emperor's strength or emperor's mastery which i'm currently using, and i'd use the 15% inc attribute with 10% phys taken as fire, idea is to get tankier so i can tank something closer to torment feared in valdo's ( which btw there are some strats that make rare/unique mobs harder) i don't think i'd be playing Msoz for clear speed but for tankyness and mb would be an upgrade currently only if it had elder influence which is 3 mirrors(that i don't have) or corruption attribute implicit(which wouldn't be worth the investment imo). so after i finish crafting the other pieces i'll buy a sublime vision PoF and go from there.

[wraith prawn]

with how many uniques you use on msoz, generally you can only afford to activate the first line of bbd (15% str), which just requires 2 warlord items - 1 from your simplex and 1 from literally anything else. i'm curious how you are, or plan to, activate the rest of them

i suppose with a legacy 3.25 sword you can run 2x helical and get 2 influences on there, but you could still get an influenced coe to make 4 warlord from your simplex and 2 rings

[tulip nova]

i have a legacy 3.25 sword which will have shaper and elder influence once i recraft it, and i run 2 helical i have elder warlord corwn of eyes

[wraith prawn]

that'd be 5 elder items with the belt then, no?

[tulip nova]

simplex

[wraith prawn]

shaper/warlord, no?

unless im forgetting a legacy elder mod

[tulip nova]

no increased strength elder warlord

other attribute don't matter that much

just need enough for sniper mark and sacred chainmail

[wraith prawn]

it's shaper/warlord

[tulip nova]

yes and i would get flat all attribute/str increased str and damage per str

and that is elder warlord

[wraith prawn]

so you're making it elder influence to get 15% all attributes... instead of 26%??

[tulip nova]

well i get 14 from belt so i'm getting 29 instead of 26 and i get 10 phys as fire

ofc ideally i have elder MB

i agree that if i can get mageblood it would be better but without influence i don't think it's worth it

unless u can show me a pob that's better

[wraith prawn]

you can use the exact same belt with a warlord/shaper simplex, you will still have 2 warlord + 4 warlord (15% str and phys:fire), and you will still have 14% attr from your belt's explicit - the literal only change is the amulet gets 26% attr instead of flat attr, which should be better at high enough str

[tulip nova]

u cannot have 2 modifier of the same influence on BBD

if it could yes

for sure

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[wraith prawn]

ok you're the one who said phys as fire so i figured you knew something i didnt in std lol, i see absolutely no reason why to go all the way for 15% attr instead of just 15% str though, if 10% phys as fire means giving up a mb i wouldnt do that

[tulip nova]

i mean with decent armor arctic armour and purity of fire i think it is, just in terms of tankyness

like if rn i didn't die to anything i'd agree with u and i'd go for speed

but i get oneshot with 8.5k life 1.6k ES by overjuiced wisp titanic scarab stuff

and msoz cannot kill offscreen since u need to be up in their ass to shotgun

so i figured i can get tankier

over being faster

[cerulean plinth]

i made this two leagues ago , kept it for long time , got mirrored only 2 times so i gave it to one of my friends who helped me with the craft , you are right tho , mageblood is indeed way better

[tulip nova]

don't see why i would use it over what i have but sure ty for sharing ig

[cerulean plinth]

i see you mentioed using it for valdos . while you still dont have sublime , it would be better if you go sublime first then cannot pen fire chest , gets way tankier

https://pobb.in/w5Q82FeqW23o

[wraith prawn]

you know what needs to be done to that mageblood.

[cerulean plinth]

he dont really need that mageblood . any cheap one will get the job done . im just trying to show him the ehp with sublime /chest and endurance charges

[wraith prawn]

oh yeah for him obviously nto

im just saying that mb is waiting for the lock-vaal

i've seen it done in league b4

[cerulean plinth]

ye i know , i chanced it on an enchanted belt , will just sell it maybe someone will want to 5 flask it instead of 7% str corruption

[wraith prawn]

anti fire pen mod is tech i forgot existed

its a shame that there's no OMEGA tank chest with 112 global def + anti fire pen

[cerulean plinth]

its not possible to make it sadly , recomb only move 1 mod over now

[wraith prawn]

ye

after sentinel recomb nuke dreams of that chest r lost unless someone made it a while ago and is hiding it

also lmao @ the str TWWT

i love that jewel

[cerulean plinth]

its not possible , the new recomb was introduced in same league as new tier 1 bases.

[wraith prawn]

sentinel recombinators were expensive asf but still around in 3.25 i thought

i may be gaslighting myself

[cerulean plinth]

i dont remember tbh

[cursive violet]

With current lock prices, buying the finished mb is cheaper than trying to lock-vaal it yourself

[wraith prawn]

idk the exact odds, i feel like ~40 locks for 4% is doable

although u have to hit the right implicit so its probably worse odds than i expect

[cursive violet]

~15 mirr on avg

[cerulean plinth]

always go with enchant base

[wraith prawn]

how do u even deterministically make those a mb, beastlock omen chance??

oh wait chance needs scour

[cerulean plinth]

yes , or just imprint , chance > imprint back > mageblood

[wraith prawn]

oh u can imprint back from it being a unique?

[cerulean plinth]

you just need alot of imprints , took around 1120 for mine

[wraith prawn]

in that case yeah thats def the way

[cerulean plinth]

yes

[wraith prawn]

gotcha

[cerulean plinth]

the cringe part is the yellow beasts and chance / scours , need millions of gold.

[cursive violet]

Not always. There are builds, like mine, where the belt enchant is irrelevant and there isn’t a useful one anyway

[cerulean plinth]

i mean not only for your build , maybe for resell potential , atleast make your hours of chancing worth it

[cursive violet]

Yeah, enchant base is better for resale, I agree. But in my case the target is so specific — basically 7% str + 42 str — that if a non-enchanted one exists for ~15 mirrors, I’d rather buy it finished. Paying +5 mirrors for the base and then gambling locks at current prices doesn’t really make sense to me

[cerulean plinth]

thats for sure , locks prices now are crazy, everyone stacking them for the new suffix catalyst > mist. buying finished belt is smart

[whole stone]

I'm trying to craft the gloves for fubgun bv o-sin variant. I got the base phantom mitts max life fractured and I'm trying to use delve to hit 2 res and abyss socket. I'm currently using 1 hollow, 1 santioned, 1 prismatic but I can't seems to hit it. Is there a better method ? Please tell me I've burned close to 20d atp trying to hit and it's becoming very frustrating

[wraith prawn]

can u link a pic of the gloves ur trying to craft

[cursive violet]

If abyss socket is the hard part, does fractured life really help the craft, or does it make you pay hollow fossil cost every time just to access the socket?

I’d probably start from fractured abyss base

[wraith prawn]

^, i helped with a similar craft earlier this league and it was shockingly close at the time, bc hollow fossils were like 1/4th a div. if they're any more than that theres basically a 0% chance its worth

[whole stone]

https://pobb.in/x80lC4NQXR0f here is the glove I mentioned

[wraith prawn]

yeah thats way, way easier to craft suffix-first

with a fractured abyss socket*

[whole stone]

From my understanding is that I get abyss socket + 2 res meaning that sufffix is filled so I can lock suffix -> veiled chaos for AOE -> craft convert to fire

[wraith prawn]

im not sure why you'd ever fracture life on an overqual base, i can see it if it's not overqual since you can say it's cheaper to buy a base that dropped like that - but on overqual just fracture the hardest mod to get

[whole stone]

I see

hmmm

[wraith prawn]

you can also fracture abyss, get 2x res, slam -> funny annul for t1 life, lock suffix veiled ex 50/50

[whole stone]

Maybe I'm understanding the method wrong. I theory crafted it myself cause I can't find a guide on it

[wraith prawn]

yeah sure it costs 2 veiled ex, but that many hollowed fossils will add up super quick if u dont fracture it

and either way on a build that has osin and mirror shoes idk why ud scare away from 2 veiled ex

[whole stone]

okay I'll give it a try and report back later

thanks chloe!

[whole stone]

cause I'm lwk stoopid ngl

[tidal obsidian]

how do i craft this?

i currently have this

[wraith prawn]

(for a better sword) prefix lock veil chaos 50/50 to hit veiled prefix -> unveil chaos pen, prefix lock reforge speed for attack speed, ideally craft DD focused

to craft the prefix like that would require luck or an even more expensive process to get a worse sword

also settle t2 or t1 influenced on reforge speed, or else you'll probably fill before you get what you want and then be forced to 50/50 annul

[tidal obsidian]

ohhhhhhh

thanks!

[wraith prawn]

no good way to guarantee str on an influenced msoz sword

but the str isnt ur biggest concern rly, especially not with that sword

[radiant gull]

is triple influenced prefixes not better now, since lycia bloodline exists and most people take that (since osin is both incredibly expensive and not that much better anymore for str stackers, competing with helicals)?

20% more attack damage, lvl 10 endurance charge on melee stun support, and added fire damage per 10 strength, from 2p+2p recomb where u get the 2p bases with woke orbs?

or is chaos pen still desirable over one of those? in which case would the fire damage per str stack mod not be better than the shaper 20% more dmg mod instead?

[cursive violet]

I think fractured abyss socket is the better starting point here. Life is much easier to roll later than paying hollow cost every attempt just to access the socket

The line I’d look at is fractured abyss base → reforge life until t1 life with a manageable prefix state → multimod + prefixes cannot be changed + suffixes cannot be changed → veiled chaos to force a veiled prefix. Then remove crafts, block before unveil, unveil, and finish the two res suffixes with eldritch currency

[whole stone]

interesting. I'll give it a try

what I had in mind was Abyss socket base -> essence spam till 2 res -> eldritch till T1 life -> lock suffix -> veil -> block mana -> unveil -> craft convert phys to fire

[cursive violet]

I wouldn’t do it suffix-first. Economically it doesn’t make sense because the veil step becomes the expensive part. Veiled ex is pricey, and even with mana blocked you’re not guaranteed aoe/convert — on average you may need 4+ veiled ex attempts

I’d rather finish the prefix package first, then use eldritch currency to metacraft the two t1 res suffixes. That’s the best balance between cost, time, and sanity

[whole stone]

got it

Thanks for the insight!

[cursive violet]

Also, for the unveil block, blocking one of the unwanted conversion mods is better than blocking mana
The bad conversion 2000 weight, while mana only 1000

[whole stone]

for context, I did manage to hit once early on ( 5 hallow in ) with 2 res with the T1 life base, I suffix lock, then because I want to save cost went for veiled chaos. Got 1 extra T6 mana, can't block so I yolo unveiled, got AOE, try to annul, failed and I couldn't hit since :')) I regret using chaos veiled orb

[whole stone]

got it!

[cursive violet]

That’s not the same veiled chaos line though. In the setup I mean, you multimod + prefixes cannot + suffixes cannot, filling suffixes and leaving only one open prefix. Veiled chaos then has only one place to put the veiled mod, so there’s no random extra prefix to annul afterwards. The only gamble is the unveil, not the item state cleanup

[whole stone]

Got it

[open cedar]

got this ring on ssf through essence spamming. is there a safe way to get rid of the cold damage and magically turn it into t1 life?

[young goblet]

No safe way i fear

[covert star]

Remove cold, Aug life

Thats what i would say if we were in harvest, but GGG is afraid of nice crafting methods

So unfortunally i think there is no safe way

[open cedar]

so suffixes cant be changed annul is the only way?

or maybe ill just craft life and settle. its not bad as it is ig

[covert star]

Both things you said are the options you have

I would say craft life

As its SSF and will be good enough imo

[wraith prawn]

fire dmg >> endu charge on melee stun but you gotta go buy lycia bloodline cause msoz REALLY cant do sanctum, and chaos pen is better, especially bc you can just imbue endu charge on stun

[radiant gull]

that makes sense

thanks

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[wraith prawn]

believe me i tried to do sanctum on the fucking quest version lol

im not great at sanctum but it is ROUGH on msoz

[radiant gull]

o yea i tried too

reached floor 3 end then died

said fuck this and bought a carry

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[wraith prawn]

a cool side effect of lycia bloodline buff is that now its reasonable to run mirror sword + helical

less dmg but u no longer have to farm a lot of fairly expensive upgrades in a specific order to play msoz past mirror budget

[radiant gull]

aye that's what im using

its great coz osin is actually such a small upgrade now

over a misted helical lol

and misted helicals are surprisingly affordable

[wraith prawn]

on juiced maps not having the chaos res will hurt a little but even on those its not as big as the price would make it out to be yeah

chaos res = 0 line*

[radiant gull]

hmm?

oh

right

i guess i also wasn't factoring in changing anoint from forces of darkness to something else that could be better dps or qol too

but still ye at least lycia lets you play the stacking sword without osin still a huge win

[whole stone]

!giverep @cursive violet

took some tries but I got it done thanks a lot

[glad inlet]

Hi all, been playing this game for an year and want to play SSF from this league. I love playing minions, so wanted to see if there any guide / videos which explain all minion gear related crafting? Thanks in advance

[indigo abyss]

Ghazzy is like main minion guy, look him up

[cerulean plinth]

is it possible to upgrade a mod from tier 3 to tier 1 if the item have 92 strands? anyone knows?

[hardy pumice]

sure

its possible to go even higher

its also possible for it to do absolutely nothing

[cerulean plinth]

yeah ill use locks

[hardy pumice]

cant really predict it, its very rng

im also not sure if weights are taken into account

people say they are, so if you're trying to go for say %phys, its even harder

[cursive violet]

T3 → T1 is possible, but not guaranteed. It consumes all strands and can do nothing. Exact formula isn’t known afaik, but more affixes and lower-weight target mods make the upgrade less likely

[hardy pumice]

with locks though i imagine you can eventually get there

[cerulean plinth]

ye ill use locks for sure , just wanted to be sure before exalting the tier 3 mod

[hardy pumice]

thats a whole different question at that point

what is on average more economical, keep previewing the foul+regular exalts for t1, or go for the t3 and then use more locks for unraveler orb

if i had to guess surely you take the exalt

[cursive violet]

At least with foulborn / regular exalts we understand the weighting and can roughly estimate the lock cost. Unravelling is still much more of a black box

[whole stone]

hey guys I'm curious about the mirror tier cluster jewels, For example the large cluser, they are synthesized and not fractured ? So do people vivid vulture till desire implicit. Then roll on "chaos damage" till unspeakable gifts, annul/ exalt till desire modifiers -> refracture fog to "dmg when holding 2 handed weap" + hineroka locks till titanic swing exalt slam -> refracture fog back to "chaos dmg". Am I understanding it right ?

[unreal egret]

you first make the implicits
then you roll with alts for unspeakable gift + a prefix you want if possible
then imprint beast (craicic chimeral) regal + exalt / anull until brick or you hit what you want
there are no locks needed to be honest 🙂

[whole stone]

oh

[unreal egret]

locks are only necessary if you want two prefixes that are on different enchants and then roll for a mod from a third enchant, but i havent seen that

[whole stone]

so the expensive part is just vivd vulture

thanks jix!

[unreal egret]

its definitely hugely more expensive than rolling the explicits

[unreal egret]

@whole stone youre welcome 🙂

[whole stone]

got chu

!giverep @unreal egret

Okay its working now

[obtuse badge]

does using a fractured essence mod affect crafting in any way?

[unreal egret]

Apart from recombination - not really what are you trying to do?

You won’t be able to influence it with conquerer

[obtuse badge]

just fractured base no influences just searing and elder implicits

just need the fractured mana

[unreal egret]

I mean yeah you can use it

You can use other essences on it too

It won’t roll natural mana in this case

[obtuse badge]

ok thanks

[unreal egret]

no worries 🙂 @obtuse badge

[obtuse badge]

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[jovial crag]

Hey guys busy dad here looking for help crafting a bow . I can pay divs for it

[unreal egret]

#🔧│custom-services-wts

you can approach the guys that offer item crafting service

if there is nothing on trade that tickles your fancy

(i dont think its cheaper to have someone craft for you if its a generic bow)

[whole stone]

is there a way I can manipulate the brutal swing to be the slot to the left ? I dont want to go the long way taking up skill points

[unreal egret]

Get a third notable that takes the top slot

[whole stone]

so I have to annul gamba huh

Dang

[unreal egret]

I mean… I’d probably just reroll

Check also which notables are keepers

[whole stone]

Mainly just these 2 the last slot can be whatever cause I dont allocate it . I do want res in generally but I keep getting titanic swings but I'm getting unlucky I guess

[unreal egret]

Which notables do you want?

Swings + another?

[whole stone]

swing and unspeakable gifts which I got fractured

I'm trying to chaos slam

Cause if I alter spam it brutal swing it just gonna be in that top notable spot

okay no I got it

I can get brutal swing with alter and if I get another notable then it gets put in the left spot

[unreal egret]

It depends

Some notables are gonna be in the left spot

Some in the back

Hence why you should try it in pob

But alt Regal exalt is the way

[hardy pumice]

pob has support for those?

wonder whats the formula to figure out the notable order on these refracting fog notables

if pob has it figured out there gotta be some set of rules it follows

[unreal egret]

Since today’s update you can even make them in pob without copy paste yeah

Iirc there is some internal order for those nodes that’s not alphabetic

And for a back node to be on the side you need to have two earlier nodes

They are ordered counter clockwise

[deep ivy]

If i reflecting mist this will it be any negative effect?

[whole stone]

Its randomized. Could be negative

But you can't refect double influenced amulet I don't think

[indigo abyss]

influenced items cannot be misted

[indigo abyss]

i got 4 reasons u cant mist this one

[elder elbow]

Oh sry
Influence bases
Yes

For some reason, for a moment I thought that these were the bases from the Heist

[covert star]

They are

Or you meant like they were in the actual heist before taking them?

[cursive violet]

Wiki can be edited by anyone, but that’s not even the main point here. “Special bases like Simplex can be reflected” doesn’t mean “influenced Simplex can be reflected.” You still have to apply common sense and check all item restrictions, not just one line that supports the answer you want

[elder elbow]

Yes, I just confused the influencer and the heist Base, I don't know why. As for the fact that the wiki can be changed, yes, but I remember that there are amulets +4 lvl to lightning and +4 to all spell, so I went there just to make sure

[wraith prawn]

neither of those are influenced mods anyway

[jagged shadow]

https://theodorejbieber.github.io/PoEClusterJewelCalculator/

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[jagged shadow]

They're not influenced to start with and then they get misted.

[elder elbow]

Yes. That's what I'm saying, I was thinking about simplex, not the influences

[jagged shadow]

There's so many layers that work in different ways together, sometimes it's hard to keep it all straight

Especially as you're starting and with gear that costs a full build worth of currency just to get a base for a craft

[cursive violet]

I do understand how the misted +gem level mods could be confusing if you’ve been away from the game for a long time — those mods used to be influence-specific, but now they’re part of the global non-influence mod pool

[elder elbow]

I accepted what he said about "influenced items" for "simplex (special base)"
so I remembered that such amulets are made with the mist and checked on the wiki

I got mixed up influence and special bases, I don't know why

[jagged shadow]

Learning curve in this game, I swear

[drifting widget]

can help me craft this for Smite AG ?

[unreal egret]

if you do not know the process - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HhCQaDFC5Sg
tl;dw
beast lock ruthless and woke orb hover 40% more until until ele damage with attacks
lock prefix reforge crit for crit chance
cannot roll attack mods -> anull / exalt until you get multistrike

[unreal egret]

🙂

[drifting widget]

ty somuch

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[wraith prawn]

never seen someone grind so hard for blue points

[unreal egret]

https://tenor.com/view/deez-gif-26390778

[blissful notch]

desperately trying to make a simulation in craft of exile, i want to eldritch chaos suffixes and exalt if theres open suffixes but it keeps filling all affixes and getting stuck and im too dumb for this ig

nevermind i had an epiphany and was intially just dumb

[cursive violet]

the final item shown in the video jix linked looks like an 11L to me. Counting the actual support sources and pseudo-support affixes gives 11 links total. Crafted minion attack speed is still a strong stat for AG, but I would treat it as a stat line rather than a pseudo-link

the direct metacraft route can still work, but the cleanup part is a bit more subtle. Multistrike and basically all pseudo-link mods here are attack-tagged, so you cannot slam them while Cannot roll Attack Modifiers is crafted

the cleanup flow is roughly:

• keep the good attack-tagged affixes
• use the metamod as protection during cleanup

Cannot roll Attack Modifiers is mainly a protection tool:

• craft it to protect existing attack-tagged mods
• annul non-attack trash while those mods stay safe
• remove the metamod before slamming for attack-tagged outcomes

slam step:

• exalt / foulborn exalt into the target suffix pool
• if the slam adds non-attack trash, go back to Cannot roll Attack + annul cleanup
• if it adds a bad attack-tagged affix, that blocker protects it too, so you need another cleanup layer, Prefixes Cannot Be Changed + annul

so the direct route is not impossible, but it is much harder and significantly more expensive than assembling the same affix package through recomb ladder

for full pseudo-link squire weapons I think the more rational route is always recombinators: make 1-mod / 2-mod double-influenced donors, isolate affixes, then ladder together

the best guide I have seen for crafting pseudo-link weapons: https://youtu.be/_cgzXMa0Tkk?si=i6LTYc2jh2T2JgZP
the only tiny thing I noticed is that it looks like the mod pool table used there is not the wiki one, but some slightly different version, where the differences are tiny anyway, around half a percent to one percent in weighting chances

[obtuse badge]

have some questions regarding large cluster notable positons, does every combination of 3 notables have a set positon? experimenting on pob but interchanging the order it appears on the cluster doesn't change the position in the tree,

[indigo abyss]

https://theodorejbieber.github.io/PoEClusterJewelCalculator/

[half lintel]

how would I go about crafting this thing? I currently have a rare bow with the level and minion damage rolls but have no clue how to get that dot multi on there as well

doesnt have to be neutral dot multi, could also be phys dot multi as far as I understand (this is for a bloodsoaked banner build)

(here's where I am currently at for reference)

[cursive violet]

1. Start with the desired Synthesised bow base

2. Spam Essence of Fear until the item has:

   • Essence Fear minion damage prefix
   • natural generic DoT multi suffix

3. Annul down to isolate those two mods

4. Use raw annuls when the item is still too full to fit a useful lock

5. Use side-lock annuls in near-clean states:

   • if Essence prefix is the only prefix and suffix side has DoT + junk:
     craft Prefixes Cannot Be Changed, then Annul
   • if DoT suffix is the only suffix and prefix side has Essence + junk:
     craft Suffixes Cannot Be Changed, then Annul

6. Once isolated:
   Prefixes:
   P1 = Essence Fear minion damage
   P2 = open
   P3 = open

   Suffixes:
   S1 = natural DoT multi
   S2 = open
   S3 = open

7. Craft:
   Can have up to 3 Crafted Modifiers
   Cannot roll Attack Modifiers

8. Exalt slam:
   suffixes are full, attack prefixes are blocked, so +1 Socketed Gems is forced

9. Remove crafted mods

10. Final multimod:
    Can have up to 3 Crafted Modifiers

+2 Socketed Support Gems
crafted Physical DoT Multi / relevant DoT suffix

[half lintel]

Oh perfect thank you so very much!

[obtuse badge]

How do I see what's affecting action speed in POB? theres nothing to expand on it it just tells me the modifier

[unreal egret]

I think they didn’t add a breakdown yet since the sources of it are so few
You can post your POB and people will tell you based on your items / ascendancy

It’s likely a combination of:
Deadeye ascendancy
Tailwind boots
Boot implicit
Trickster ascendancy
Screams shrine belt

[unreal egret]

He means where the 1.20 comes from

[cursive violet]

Brain lag, my bad. I misunderstood the question and answered the wrong thing

[half lintel]

Success! thank you again, youre the best!

[obtuse badge]

thank you, yea i found the wiki and after some digging found the sources

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[half lintel]

!giverep @cursive violet

[half lintel]

one more question for you if you have the time: I have these gloves at a pretty good point, how can I finish this off with some res mods?

Im worried about rolling smth like dex because I have supreme ostentation and itd be a dead stat

[cursive violet]

Honestly, I would be careful spending more currency on this unless this is HC SSF Ruthless
The item is in a pretty rough state as a crafting base because the fractured mod is only t2 life regen rate, which is not really a valuable fracture for most builds
Also it’s hard to give a real answer without knowing your target
Do you need specific resists, chaos res, attack speed, an open suffix, or just any two usable suffixes? What league is this, trade or SSF, and what’s the budget?
If this is trade league and not a temporary item, I’d probably start from a better fractured base rather than trying to finish this one

[half lintel]

gotcha. Target is to have increased regen rate, an ele res, chaos res, the crafted mod, and as much armour as I can muster.

this is in trade, and budget is pretty loose as this is the last build im gonna do this league

[cursive violet]

In that case I’d honestly start from a better base rather than finish this one
Since this is trade and your budget is loose, fractured t2 life regen rate is probably not a good enough foundation to sink currency into, especially if the goal is regen rate + ele res + chaos res + the crafted AoE/area damage prefix + as much armour as possible
I’d look for a much better armour base first, ideally over20%quality if available, and either buy fractured T1 life regen rate or make one yourself. If you self-fracture it, roll t1 regen rate with a perfect value roll first, set up a clean 4-mod fracture attempt, then fracture. After that, finishing the rest of the item is much more reasonable
The current gloves are mechanically finishable with eldritch currency loops, but I wouldn’t do that

[half lintel]

gotcha, thank you!

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[cursive violet]

one more thing: if your goal is “as much armour as possible”, I would not build around the essence armour prefix either. from memory, the essence flat armour roll on gloves is worse than a natural t1 local flat armour prefix, so it does not really match the goal of maximizing armour

for the item you described, I’d probably do it properly from the base up:

start with a high-quality base, ideally 28%+ quality if you can get one, then buy or self-make fractured t1 life regen rate with a good/perfect numeric roll. after that, use dense fossils or another defence-biased rational method to hit the two local armour prefixes: T1 flat armour and T1 % increased armour

then you can think about the area/aoe prefix. if you want the stronger veiled version instead of the benchcrafted version, you can use prefix-lock + veiled chaos. if you miss or get suffix clutter, the item is eldritch, so you can usually clean suffixes with eater-dominant eldritch currency and try again

then finish suffixes after that: either eldritch suffix exalt/annul/chaos loops, or prefix-lock into harvest chaos reforge style if you want to aim at chaos res. but I would only do all this on a much better fractured t1 regen base, not on the current fractured t2 one

[untold sandal]

Hi can someone tell me what i should do for this to make a good bleed bow?

[hardy pumice]

probably start with augment physical into prefix for guarnateed hybrid phys, then some veil for suffix

[reef haven]

Hello guys i need an Aisling Slam, where can i ask ?

[unreal egret]

Faustus

[reef haven]

Huh

Isnt a craft heist ?

ok mb

so The Exated one will replace a mod right ?

[unreal egret]

not since 3.26

[unreal egret]

yeah

[reef haven]

Ok perfect thx a lot

[unreal egret]

@reef haven 🤝

[reef haven]

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[potent yoke]

How would I go about finishing this? Tried to block pdr focus and veiled exalt for +2AoE but apparently that won't work.

[hardy pumice]

well you lock suffix, veil exalt first, then use a block

it can work, low odds though

can remove conc effect or not give +2

[potent yoke]

I'll take my chances I guess. I'll just go back to matron hell on fail, right?

[hardy pumice]

yes

[hardy pumice]

i personally would not be going for the perfect prefix without a perfect suffix

if you don't have that essence 30% more damage in suffix, spending the big bucks to hit +2 and conc effect in prefix seems wasteful

[jagged shadow]

+1 settle

[potent yoke]

it's a personal craft just to have. not sure i'd even use it tbh

i can settle for the 30% res

[potent yoke]

the game told me to settle so i settled hard

took 6 unveils

[obtuse badge]

If i want to keep all suffix and add +1 minimum frezny and gain frezny charge on kill (veiled) is the only option to veiled exalt and pray it hits the crafted mod

[wraith prawn]

suffix lock -> veil chaos 50/50 would work fine, its not exactly hard to get back to that state if u fill prefixes or miss 50/50 or miss the unveil

[obtuse badge]

ah i didn't even think of that i thoght i was doomed to veiled exalt

thank you

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[cursive violet]

If it hits veiled prefix but leaves the last suffix open, craft Cannot roll Caster and Annul to improve the cleanup odds

[inland oar]

Guys how do I craft this in the best way? I have the 3x T1 shaper base already

Been looking around but cant find a good way

[inland oar]

Ok I managed to get the shield the same, but without the max res. Any ideas on how to get that on?

[hardy pumice]

at that point i dont think you have any option

[elder elbow]

The maximum resistance is very difficult to craft. There's too little weight, so he might just reform 3 suffixes and you'd feel bad

[inland oar]

Yeah. I think I am just keeping this then. Yucky t9 life regen but eh

I could lock suffix and try annul the life regen off and slam something else on

But I dont think it will make a huge difference

At this point

[alpine moon]

Hi, id like to craft a 1300 es twilight regalia, to do so i need a base with 27%+ qualit and a fractured T1 increased es, i could buy a base like so for 20div, but wouldnt trying my luck with fracturing orbs be better ( 3d for a 27%+ qual twilight regalia atm) ?

[wraith prawn]

technically you dont even need overqual for 1300 iirc, but if you wanna work on a high-es regalia and you know you don't want to fracture anything but an ES mod, yeah buy an ilvl86+ overqual, reforge def for the mod, annul down to 4 mods if needed, fracture, repeat

[alpine moon]

ok ok, thanks you

[wraith prawn]

you should basically never buy a pre-fractured base on overqual, sometimes fractured bases are cheaper because they can naturally drop, but it's absurdly rare to drop an overqual with a good fracture already on it

there could be exceptions (like a fractured breach mod on a 30% chest where there's not that many on the market and you run the risk of literally running out of bases)

but typically fracturing urself is good

[alpine moon]

got it, thanks 👍

[cursive violet]

From this state there isn't a clean way to just turn the life regen into +2 max lightning. Prefix-lock annul can try to remove the regen, but even if it works, still have to actually hit the max-res suffix afterwards, which is the expensive part. The real route is basically prefix-lock and defence reforge+[ foulborn ex slam ] suffixes until ES on block + any elemental max res, then swap to lightning and craft Focus DD. So this shield is probably a reasonable settle unless +2 max lightning is a build-enabling break-point

[jagged shadow]

Recomb with NNN prefixes and hope for the best.

https://imgur.com/uzLZOdR

[jagged shadow]

You know there's ways to never run out on breach mod fracture? Like once you have the mod moved off grasping it's basically impossible to lose (10% odds you don't get a prefix at all is only way)

[wraith prawn]

yeah, and if theres 2 30% bases in the entire market what happens when you miss the fracture on the final one

[jagged shadow]

I got tired of explaining it and made a video the other day, happy to share with you specifically since you basically help everyone

[jagged shadow]

Pray to break the fracture ahahaha

[wraith prawn]

you can keep the mod just fine, i just meant in some cases you can get owned by there not being enough bases, and if someone pre fractured one of those i think thats fine to buy

for my chest i bought a 30% sacred with global defences already on cause like wtf am i gonna delete 5 of them from the game for

[jagged shadow]

Yup! Then move down to 29, 28, and prob just stop at 28 because there's a million of em

Also I do all my fractures at 28, all my crafts realistically lol. I don't think I ever had a 30 base anything

[wraith prawn]

im a 20% or 30% truther

apart from weapon enchants 24/28

[cursive violet]

For 30% bases the fracture step itself is not really the base sink if you're using hinekora's lock. The base is safe; the expected cost is ~4 locks + 1 fracturing orb once the item is in a 4-mod fracture-ready state. So the real comparison is the market premium of an already-fractured 30% base versus the EV of making it yourself: effective clean 30% copy cost after morrigan splitting, transfer/prep cost for global defence, and some liquidity/tail-risk buffer

[wraith prawn]

why would you lock fracture

unless maybe ur on a necrotic theres no shot thats worth it

[cursive violet]

if this is the only 30% base on the market, then a bad fracture can force me into a recovery-recomb line where I can lose the base. At that point hinekora is not protecting the mod, it’s protecting the scarce base

[wraith prawn]

if you're weighing it against one being sold pre-fractured then that one already exists, so you're comparing 4 locks + a bit to the cost of that, which would basically never be worth it

if youre mirror crafting and it's a super rare base and nobody has the fracture already on it then yeah use locks if you dont wanna wait for more bases

[cursive violet]

"Basically never" is too absolute. In temp league I had multiple 30% bases where locking the fracture was actually the cheaper EV. For roughly half of the 30q mirror-tier bases I crafted, clean 30% bases were expensive enough relative to locks at that point in the league that spending ~4 locks + a fracturing orb was better than risking a bad fracture recovery line or buying the already-fractured premium

Lock-fracturing is absolutely a valid option, not something you can just remove from the equation

[wraith prawn]

i havent experienced that personally, though i could also be way underestimating the prices of split 30% int bases still

i keep having to adjust myself to how expensive they are since i usually craft on str/int

[covert valve]

"Basically never" is an EXTREMELY accurate assessment. I play aurabot almost every league, and pretty early on buy a high quality twilight regalia (usually 28) for crafting. Then I do that again later in the league to recraft a better one (29 or 30 qual, better fracture, tempered, etc). There's never been a time in the last 8 or so leagues where a 30qual twilight regalia was worth over half the price of a lock. Maybe you had a different experience in your temp league, maybe you're trying to buy a 30% base on day 3 to rush a mirror item, but those experiences aren't really relevant for the normal poe player. For 99.9% of the player base there's never been a time in the last 3-4 years where locking would be cheaper than fracturing on a 30% base.
EDIT: I do agree that pre-fractured items are giga overpriced though, you're right on that.

[cursive violet]

“Never” is the problem here. You can’t know that without 24/7 market tracking of clean 30q twilight regalias vs lock prices across league timelines. These bases can spike hard if several mirror-tier crafters start projects at the same time. And in my case this isn’t theoretical: in Merc league I crafted this 30q regalia and lock-fracturing was actually the cheaper at that moment

Did you actually monitor every clean 30q T1 base vs lock price for the last 3 years, or is this just based on your usual market experience? Because those are very different claims. I can accept “usually not worth it”, but “never happened” requires data you basically can’t have unless you were tracking it constantly

[covert valve]

okay that's fair, I guess you just ascribe more rarity to the statement "basically never" than me. I only check once a league when I craft, true. I've never collected the data, just my vibes from playing a lot of trade league, but I'd estimate that it's around 1-2% of the time where 30% qual twilight bases are expensive enough to lock fracture (2-3 days out of each 4 month league). To me that's basically never, to you basically never is too extreme of a descriptor

Also in that screenshot you're talking about fracturing a delve mod that you had to recombinate onto the base, which does make it a lot more expensive. I believe the initial question was just about making a very high ES twilight

I can see the lock being cheaper for that craft

[cursive violet]

Fair, the initial question wasn't about transferring a delve mod. But by that point the discussion had shifted to the global defences / delve mod on 30q base case. That's the context where I was talking about lock-fracturing. For a normal high ES twilight, sure, I agree it's not worth locking

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[wraith prawn]

^ thats why i brought up that i'm not super used to int bases' prices. i see the prices of them every so often but i don't craft with them as much

for the sort of crafts i do buying unsplit, 3-splitting, recombing, fracturing, etc. is gonna be way cheaper than a lock, but i had to try and adjust to the price of int bases which can be giga expensive for that process even when u account for saving bases on missed fractures sometimes

and yeah for me "basically never" implies "over all 30% crafts you could do, it's like a <3% chance", which i think is a way more reasonable conclusion to come to if you craft on str or str/int bases a lot like i do, since those bases are so much cheaper than int or dex/int

[feral bane]

how do you craft something like this? cant figure how they get the abyssal and reroll for perfect pref at the same time, and keep the abyssal afterwards

[unreal egret]

eldritch chaos / exalt / anull

you want exarch to be dominant to reroll prefixes

for the suffixes you want abyss + essence fossil

and block elemental mods

[jagged shadow]

Honestly those suffixes are gonna be ass to get. Won't take a lot of clicks but each click will fee pretty wallet wrenching

Prefixes are easy in comparison

[unreal egret]

nah

hollow + glyphic + corroded - should be very easy

[jagged shadow]

There's not that many suffix essence boot mods? I did it on gloves and it was pure pain... I guess I was also fishing for t3+ dex but still

[unreal egret]

wdym?

it only rolls corrupted essence

[wraith prawn]

yeah its pretty much 100% like this

its possible to get one of the most fascinating mods in the entire game but its rare

hollow glyph corroded -> annul final suffix if needed

prefixes r going to just have to be slam slam, u can block -> slam if u eldritch slam but it kind of sucks (speaking as someone who did it last week)

[unreal egret]

you can only get those 4 and the chaos has a x10

also the burn and reduced ele

is blocked

so literally 10% chance to get mana, 90% chance to get poison

[wraith prawn]

itd be ~9/~91% but yeah

[unreal egret]

prefixes are HARD in comparison

[jagged shadow]

Ya I was confused on the mods targeted

I did a craft with dex last week on gloves and helped a friend with the same boots but he needed +1 int gems and it was a bitch

Should be in bed. Good night

[wraith prawn]

tried to check the odds and found out from The Machine that ward boots straight up cant take +1 gems

im not sure if thats true or if the machines lying but its very interesting lol

[jagged shadow]

That's weird

[wraith prawn]

i do not trust the machine whatsoever (int base)

this is an extremely weird looking result

eh it looks close enough in the emulator

it may actually be that common

either way point is i dont think those suffixes would be painful either

[unreal egret]

you basically force 3 suffixes delete all other suffixes

so yeah its 1:3 since its either int str or dex gems

you cant get a 2nd gem modifier since you force two other suffixes

[unreal egret]

do you need further help? 🙂

[wraith prawn]

i looked into it more after checking it wasnt being delusional and it's actually because i was on an int base so int gems was weighted double the other 2 - it can still roll other suffixes and it'd be a 1 in 6 if it was str or dex gems

idk if they did it on an int base, i had just assumed as much

[unreal egret]

the base type influences the gems that roll?

[wraith prawn]

the machine claims so

the machine has been known to lie in the past but this feels like a weird thing for it to get wrong so i trust it

[unreal egret]

TIL

i guess

we should ask @hexed basalt

xd

[wraith prawn]

pinging someone who isnt even in here is funny

i get why u do it, just funny looking

i wonder if that's why they can't roll on ward bases??? weird

or atleast why The Machine says they cant. im extremely suspicious of that not being possible

[jagged shadow]

Was on a dex base for armor stacker, 1/6 for int, 1/4 for the can't be poisoned

[wraith prawn]

it's a 10/11, no?

[jagged shadow]

Took us 34 attempts at 1.4d a click

[wraith prawn]

were u not using corroded on a 4 socket.

[jagged shadow]

Uh let me look

Corroded hollow faceted glyph

[wraith prawn]

thats not a 1 in 4 then

its a 10 in 11

fossils affect glyphic mod pool

[jagged shadow]

Welp, unlucky 😔

[wraith prawn]

you can get 1 mod at random out of [A,B,C,D], 2 of them are discarded and 1 of them (the one you're targetting) is 10xed, so you get [A, 10C], so 10 out of 11 total mod weight**

very unlucky if it took u 34

altho if u had a prefix fractured that may change the odds

[cursive violet]

Glyphic isn’t effectively uniform once you add corroded. The corrupted essence mods still have tags and fossil multipliers apply to them. Corroded kills the elemental corrupt essence outcomes, boosts Cannot be Poisoned, and leaves mana regen while shocked unboosted, so the glyphic part is basically 10/11 poison vs 1/11 mana, not 1/4 poison

99% of players don't understand this interaction between corrupted essence tags and fossils

[inland oar]

Guys anyone else find that craft of exile is drunk with odds? It said I can roll T1 dex and T1 str with deafening spite on a ring within 30 tries. The simulator hit it 13 times in 300 essences. I spent nearly 600 and only managed to slam it on

[elder elbow]

https://www.craftofexile.com/how-to-use

[inland oar]

Ah yes. The old dumb-dumb move from me

Thanks

[true geode]

Is the best way to craft these just chaos essence spam? I'm fine with crafted AOE DMG and effect and a random stat instead of the crafted increased armour and life. Thanks!

[wraith prawn]

if youre fine with crafted aoe dmg i might suggest fracturing a suffix

u could find leviathan guantlets with high flat life regen fractured for borderline no cost i assume

then chaos essence spam for life regen rate

eldritch currency for t1 life

craft aoe

[true geode]

Thanks I will look into this! I guess what would the process be for the the non crafted AOE? It's an unveil right?

[wraith prawn]

u could do the exact same thing, then suffix lock -> veiled ex. it'd cost 2 veiled ex on average but its by far the least annoying imo. the prefix is fractured in that screenshot bc if you can get the suffixes on there, the prefixes are as easy as suffix lock -> veiled chaos

im not sure how id go about those suffixes personally. i'm almost tempted to say its a fossil angle

theres just so many life tagged mods that it feels rly annoying with other methods*. i guess u could spam essence to try and hit both t1 and itd work, just be annoying

to be clear its probably cheapest to just essence spam on a pre fractured t1 life base but man is it annoying

never fun to try and hit 2 other t1 affixes with an essence

[true geode]

Really appreciate it! I think I'll go the crafted aoe route. Even those are going for 30div on trade, so I think I'll save some currency crafting.

[wraith prawn]

unless something is a VERY common craft in a leaguestarter build ppl arent playing u basically always profit crafting in the long run

*as in, it's super common 2ndhand but nobody buys it

[true geode]

@wraith prawn sometimes it's better to be lucky than good. This was on my first essence lol.

[wraith prawn]

winner

if u want better prefixes just make it exarch dominant then funny currency

if ujust care about cost settling is fine tho ur not missing too much

[true geode]

Will probably recraft in the future, but it's perfectly fine for now.

[cedar nacelle]

"Use Envy essence and exalts til you get either 35 chaos res and 2 high elemental resistance or 1 resistance and suppression or 50+ int. After your suffixes are done you can use a wild bristle matron and reforge life for hybrid life. Craft area of effect."

what does reforge life for hybrid life mean?

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[cedar nacelle]

oh thank you

[feral bane]

you mean you slam double t1 using only exarch annul exalt?

[unreal egret]

Yeah

[unreal egret]

You can use regular exalt if cheaper
Then eldritch anull
And eldritch chaos to reset

[feral bane]

i see. thank you for the advise. i was worried i might be missing some weird tech, but i guess is just hoenst hard work

[unreal egret]

@feral bane nope just spamming a bunch of currency 🤝

[dusty linden]

anyone got a good tree for printing fractured str or maximum fire ress jewels with the breach genesis tree

Current tree im using

[loud meadow]

Hello, anyone knows how to craft these jewels?
because so far only options I found are basically burning through currency, whether it is alter spam and regal pray, fossils or spamming horti craft for defenses

[rustic sage]

Do you need the max res? If you do then alt spam till T1 max res you can harvest swap around to get 2% of the res you want

Then regal exalt to 4 mod and fracture hope u hit the max res and if u do, harvest spam defense

If u dont start from step 1

[loud meadow]

well, then this is gonna be a lot of burning 😄
(yes I need the max res)

but on 5K alters I didn't hit even once max res + energy shield..

[rustic sage]

I rec you use a regex buy like 10 jewels

And just alt spam through them

I would stop at any T1 max res and try to get it fractured

Then work on ES

[loud meadow]

will try, thank you

[rustic sage]

Because T1 max res is crazy low weight

Good luck!

[loud meadow]

!giverep @rustic sage

[unreal egret]

You buy the light res mod fractured obviously

[haughty mesa]

Does anyone know if there are Non-native, Natural Modifiers (NNN) on the ring? I need to recombine rings.

[hardy pumice]

influence, thats it

[haughty mesa]

However, the Influ mod on the ring doesn't work the same way as on Armor - is there a way to ensure this stat is 100% retained when transferred to a different base?

[ember lotus]

How do i get movespeed/life/es on this?

[wraith prawn]

%es, ms, and life? no elusive?

just confirming because elusive is a very typical mod*

[ember lotus]

yeah, because im running the apostate so getting life and es is more dmg for me, idm the elusive mod tbh

[wraith prawn]

ah lifestacking then

the usual finish is elusive -> veil ex -> craft life, if u want life/es i'd probably have to say block mana slam slam suffix lock scour repeat until u get t1 life or t1 %es, veil ex, then craft the other?

idk how expensive that base was for you, it is MAYBE worth the reforge life gamble if that base wasnt too expensive to get to, but if ur risk averse or if that base was pretty expensive i dont think id try

[ember lotus]

ooh ok sounds good, base was about 50D in crafting (so unlucky lmao)

[wraith prawn]

gonna be honest i have no clue what the expected odds are on slamming either t1 life or t1% es, if i had to guess it's ~3.5% with a mana block. t1 life is preferable due to how much worse the crafted mod is

and ud have to do it twice on avg bc of veiled ex

iirc u will literally always unveil MS and something

[ember lotus]

so best case is block mana -> 2x slam -> suffix lock (scour if bad) until desired results?

then veiled for MS and craft last mod

[wraith prawn]

yeah, block -> slam (stop if good) -> slam (suffix lock annul 1st mod if this is good) -> suffix lock (scour if both bad), once u get that mod on suffix lock -> veil ex 50/50, unveil MS, craft other mod

if u happen to slam t2/t1 MS on ur first slam then a good mod on ur 2nd its veiled or better anyways so just craft and be done

[ember lotus]

ok perfect! thanks so much for the help

[wraith prawn]

like in this case why would i bother with veiled yknow

but that Probably wont happen

[ember lotus]

makes sense

[wraith prawn]

also sacred up ur shoes

missing precious flat es

[ember lotus]

yeah i was going to do that last 😄

How do i vouch/rep/appreciate you?

[wraith prawn]

!giverep @(user)

[ember lotus]

!giverep @wraith prawn

[wraith prawn]

ty gl gamer

[ember lotus]

ty ty

[covert musk]

guys for this ring need two negative resistance and positive life & cast speed ? is it ok to useaspect of spider or it can effect desired result ?

[unreal egret]

odds are the same

[covert musk]

thanks

[hallow pumice]

any ideas?

[unreal egret]

You want to craft gale twirl?

[hallow pumice]

ye

first one is what i already get

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[zinc sigil]

Roll double res with harvest, open suffix open prefix lock suffix veil chaos, hope it hits suffix and unveil frenzy. Lock suffix reforge defence for ES

You can also woe essence till double res, lock suffix 1/2 veil exalt

[unreal egret]

this is better if you want just the min frenzy and not frenzy on kill btw

[zinc sigil]

First way is cheaper if you want to settle for low es

If you want just the min frenzy you dont veil at all

You just woe essence till double res suffix, craft frenzy and you're done

[hallow pumice]

ty

[jagged shadow]

Reforge defense can also land evade BTW so it may take a few hits.

Wild Bristol Matron helps offset costs once you're working on prefix

[hallow pumice]

!giverep @zinc sigil

[zinc sigil]

I dont know the prices of veil exalt but they are usually super expensive this late so thats why I said with veil chaos and reforge defence

But if you want perfect ES you might need a lot of reforge defence and I dont have the exact odds but it might be the same as second method in terms of price

You do you

[hallow pumice]

got it

[fair cedar]

anyone able to explain how i would go about crafting this?

how i do attack speed essence til t1 crit chance, lock, reforge chaos for chaos dmg , lock suffix and slam a exalt veiled and pray it hits metamod and not chaos
and unveil chaos pen
then craft spell dmg?

[jagged shadow]

That's the answer not the question

[jagged shadow]

Do these steps on craft of exile. Go 1 by 1 in the emulator