Auto Aim Live Test

[stark void]

Making gold rounds not gold rounds was oddly controversial at the time i seem to remember. Not comparing but I just remember being surprised as the "other side" even really existing

[cold badger]

Yeah its comical sometimes , one buddy had a whole flock of bots looking like a pack of dogs chasing the owners hand with a treat in it lmfao

[stark void]

No clue, i know very little behind the way bots work

[tacit nova]

For example look at this, a bot was following my every move even if i was never detected, even tried to kill me in the end XD that needs adjustment XD

@hybrid fjord Screw you 🤣

[stark void]

I'd argue there is a clear difference between "here is a bunch of changes we want to make, let us know what you think" and "here is a thing we want to test, we have no plans to introduce this but we want to see the outcome".

[tacit nova]

I Genuinely jumped! i was scared for my liiiiife

[hybrid fjord]

The bots are just more skilled than you bro

[tacit nova]

That is cheating!

[thin shell]

So how has been the outcome so far? Did you guys expect this war? 😂

[left stratus]

Should have just deleted them as an option

[craggy stag]

Shrimply a Krill issue 🦐

[hybrid fjord]

Genuine question

Why is +1-1 being tested again? Wasn’t it already established we don’t have the player numbers for it?

[vast onyx]

The MM wizard mightve found a way to get around some of the restrictions

[craggy stag]

That would be nice.

[cold badger]

That one may have been because you were in line of sight but its still exactly how they behave , like I said I have seen them being lead around like a flock by a player that was never spotted and hid where he did on purpose and yeah they moved across the whole map had him nearly surrounded and he was NEVER spotted the whole match but they followed him perfectly .

[left stratus]

I understand this is a test but your baseline will be skewed if you change all equipment and skills
Im saying its a bad test if thats what's coming

[hybrid fjord]

Bloody hope so. +1 was some of the most fun I’ve ever had with this game even after all of the 6.0 nonsense

[tacit nova]

yeah the know where you are all the time

[vast onyx]

The cynical part of me says that the +1/-1 will cause stupid long wait times during the week and it'll get people to stop asking

[craggy stag]

So bots work on line of sight rather than the actual spotting mechanics? So the bots have true vision?

[cyan blade]

Wrong

[craggy stag]

Someone at WG flipped the wrong switch-

[hybrid fjord]

From what I remember when they tested it the last X amount of times queue times felt faster for me. That was a while ago though

[stark void]

Personally, kinda? But not for reasons I expected. The "bUt ThIs DoEsN't FiX aUtOcAnNoNs" was where I had assumed the focal point would be. The focus on the outline and it's relation to lock on was quite left field for me, likely for most players too it seems lol

[tacit nova]

Some are programmed to be POTATOES and some are just 2 years of becoming a T-800.... and cheat

[hybrid fjord]

They got xray vision

[vast onyx]

You don't have the data but my guess is age being the dividing line

[west hare]

Not exactly "on topic" but why don't the devs give us a splash screen stating what /when there is a public test going on and what specifically is changing for said test?

I've seen a lot of social media with players absolutely clueless as to why the game play mechanics "aren't working correctly". And you can't rely on Friday twitch streams to reach the masses.

[stark void]

If it makes X% change, and then you can make an accurate predictions of the change based on a baseline after. Then run another test, and see if accurate.

Not saying that is the case or plan but the data isn't suddenly irrelevant. In fact doing it now makes more sense as it gives a chance to compare if a test is done later

[stark void]

It was on a pop up thst you had to press B/square? to dismiss on your first log in

People just tend to spam clear and then say they didnt see the thing they spammed skip and didn't read lol

[cold badger]

Well I for one think this sucks 😕 if I want to play a war gaming game with an irritating aim ill go play WoW legends , WoT modern armor is already a pain with fore mention outline and colors issues . ( thats why I love those ice camouflage skins from the winter event at least there is one tank on the enemy team ill be able to make out through bushes , shrubs , trees and 72 other cluttered obstructions ) . Sorry if this all sounds like im ranting , I try to sprinkle some lols in with the salt .

It probably makes me sound more salty but meh I try to keep the giggles up dang it lol

[west hare]

Maybe make it pop up and stay for a few seconds at log in? I honestly don't recall seeing it, but knew the test was coming. If it only happened once that an easy thing to miss.

[stark void]

Rant away, personally idc if you rant. If it's constructive then it's good feedback. And also I'd rather you cared enough to rant than were so disenchanted that you say nothing

[stark void]

There has been a few people saying similar, idk what is even possible as really not my area. But the tldr is we do try to walk a line of shoving info in your face without it being too frustrating

[cold badger]

O. . . Ok ..... 😳 Give this dang boss a raise !!!!! Lmfao wasn't expecting that ! Haha

[cold badger]

The equivalent of a judo flip , disarm and total pacification lol

[hybrid fjord]

Mr 340heat BFG is a cool dude

[tacit nova]

https://tenor.com/view/doom-eternal-slayer-bfg-mars-gif-27375266

[craggy stag]

Heat using 1% of his power.

[cold badger]

Im just saying I am 43yo and have been gaming since 1987 . . . . I just got disarmed like a noob ! No diff !

[stark void]

I'm sure some of my rants before i was demoted to staff annoyed some perhaps now colleagues lol. But I always tried to keep it constructive, and somehow ended up working here.

Long as people don't go overboard in terms of being offense/rude/etc. Anything could contain useful stuff, seems counter productive to ignore it coz someone had passion behind what they wanted to say.

[cold badger]

Heat for King of earth 2026 !!!

[tacit nova]

https://tenor.com/view/jon-snow-got-game-of-thrones-king-in-the-north-gif-5624567

[bold crag]

Can’t you buy gold rounds with silver now? Weren’t they paid in gold at one time. Anyone can grind silver my gosh cw u can make 70-200k a game easy

[tacit nova]

https://tenor.com/view/snake-drink-thirsty-cute-water-gif-16181446

[stark void]

Correct, the name gold rounds is because they were once gold only. The complaint at the time was that made them P2W and should be available for silver. But when the change came a surprisingly large (to me anyhow) group were unhappy because it meant they'd be fired much more now

[tacit nova]

When i first started playing back in the early PS4 days, it was already silver, was it Gold too here way back like Xbox 360 days? or console never had that?

[stark void]

Think it either changed at the end of beta OR quite early 360 days. I'd have to check my old yt vids, but 90% sure it was pre ps4

Buttttttt also, let's drop that here and keep it on topic 🙂 can continue in general if needed 😅

[tacit nova]

aaah yeah that makes sense, i knew PC had it in the early days, but never knew if console ever did, thanks a lot, i can DIE in peace now XD

[cold badger]

I want to sincerely thank you , im an old fart and I tend to be a tad too quippy ( yeah gonna go with that for purposes of not being banned lol ) on some subjects but I have never seen someone level the field as masterful like you did . Mad props for that and for the player perspective that completely threw me off like Whaaaaaa 😲 . If the rest of the industry had your mindset i think we would be rather close to Ready Player One at this point . The industry needs more of you . Thank you , gonna go brag about you to the rest of our little pack ... they ain't gonna believe this without screenshot for real .

[stark void]

Glad I could help 🙂

[solemn trail]

fauto faim

[tacit nova]

https://tenor.com/view/vueltas-cheems-gif-18111877887335996699

[left stratus]

So you all are planning on doing a test with auto lock with curret equipment and skills(current test). Then revert auto lock to old status when equipment changes. Then nerf auto lock again when enough data is collected on just new equipment and skills with old auto lock to get accurate data across the board?
Im asking this because you can't test 2 variables at once that's now how it works and is indeed how you get irrelevant data.

[left stratus]

Its almost like having the P2W mechanic run rampant by making it cost silver ruined balancing

[tacit nova]

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-how-many-times-do-we-need-to-teach-you-old-man-slow-thick-gif-12272188

[left stratus]

Bruh he's the one that mentioned P2W and gold rounds in the same comment. He did carefully tip toe around saying it though. Wish I could find those people that said they were P2W and ruined balanced then shake their hand for having a brain

[tacit nova]

I know i am messing with you, but at the same time, in the state the game is right now if you remove premium rounds bottom tiers are going to be next to useless against top tiers more times than not.

[left stratus]

As someone who NEVER uses them youre wrong. It means you can peak your turret in a bottom tier without getting your head blown off. Please stop pretending golds are balanced

[ocean beacon]

Welcome to the club. Mind you this week Bots have been very accurate with their Snap shots.

[tacit nova]

https://tenor.com/view/green-mile-im-tired-boss-michael-clarke-duncan-gif-2375696290766999196

That goes for both of you XD

[ocean beacon]

Thanks I guess?

[cunning ocean]

Probolly to show we don't have enough playerbase.

[cyan blade]

[tall bone]

I like the idea of a +/-1 test. I honestly don't understand the problem that some have with BOT games/lobbies nor do I understand the problem people have with others just wanting to play this game as they have for almost 12 years for fun without worrying about stuff like stats.

I'm not trolling I truly don't get it. I read the comments & they make no logical sense to me why people get so upset with how others want to enjoy their game & free time.

[south idol]

They have been way to accurate period.

[south idol]

Thats because of comp, tournaments, and seal clubing super uni's.

[queen dove]

Because this community is full of super uni elitist weirdos

In a game like cod or BF6 (when it launches), these players would be irrelevant

It’s only because this game is so niche, and the community is so small overall, that these guys think they speak for the entire playerbase. It’s a very odd dynamic

[cunning ocean]

Man that beta was a blast...hope they fix some of the weapons

[hybrid fjord]

I must be one of the only super uni’s who still remembers when he was a noob and all the frustrations that came with it

[queen dove]

You have not attacked me personally based on my opinions

And from what I have seen under this feedback topic, you still at least try and understand the concerns of the average player despite being very good yourself. Most players aren’t like you. They are elitists that just claim “skill issue”, whenever anyone dares to make a complaint about the game that doesn’t align with their agenda

[hybrid fjord]

It was a fun beta. I enjoyed it too

[hybrid fjord]

I just try and put myself in their shoes I guess..🤷‍♂️

If I was still average I would think the test was awful icl. But because I’m not, it benefits me a lot. Almost has felt straight up unfair this week. I feel sorry for the average player in a way

[left stratus]

Oh the irony

[hybrid fjord]

https://tenor.com/view/excited-listening-go-on-jon-stewart-gif-11365765162220807492

Can’t wait to hear this

[left stratus]

No you wouldn't have. Im not saying you aren't good im saying you use a copium loadout and crutch on it. Real smooth on the message delete btw

Rb rt gold spam carried you

[hybrid fjord]

Haven’t used RBRT in years. I’d still be blue if I did that

Gold spam not relevant to what I commented which is about the auto aim

[left stratus]

Its ok I know you're a liar. Gold spam is very relevant as auto lock and gold spam makes for a very toxic pairing

[queen dove]

You should try premium rounds some time it really re balances some OP tanks

[cunning ocean]

Didn't know have very good wn8 automatically ropes you into using gold and auto aim all the time good to know!

[left stratus]

And unbalances and destroys 10x more

[hybrid fjord]

Nothing like prem spamming a rogal dorn noob. Sends them retreating real fast

[left stratus]

Huh?

[cunning ocean]

Watched my buddy who doesn't use commanders pretty much bully one lol

[left stratus]

Man all those 40k magic tanks are beyond annoying

[hybrid fjord]

Since auto aim aims centre mass it makes no difference. Auto ricochet angles don’t change

[cunning ocean]

There easy to pen

Massive tumors on rogal and soft undercarriage

[left stratus]

I was more talking about ignis and teef just neverending autoloaders

[cunning ocean]

Teef is thinnest in the game if you ain't spamming he's idk what to tell ya and even with the Ignis that is also thin like what...

[left stratus]

Its not about their non existent armor its the whole getting clipped instantly

[cunning ocean]

Sounds like your putting yourself in a lot of bad positionings....

[hybrid fjord]

Teef takes ages to unload the whole clip 🤷‍♂️🤷‍♂️. It gets spotted after it fires the first shot and deleted immediately

If you’re allowing a teef to fully clip you, that’s your problem

Ignis is only op because of ATGM’s

[cunning ocean]

drives in open and gets missiles "MISSILES NEED NERF!"

[hybrid fjord]

If only there was a piece of equipment that warned you of incoming missiles

[cunning ocean]

Half the time I don't run the teef cause you have to sweat hard to have a real good match.

[hybrid fjord]

Real man. The 3 mark for it was a pain. It’s a terrible light tank

[left stratus]

I literally watched a t49 die instantly today bruh homie didn't even over extend

[cunning ocean]

Rather us my hesh throwing cobra tier 9 and clip out tanks with my substandard pen and high alpha.

[hybrid fjord]

Sounds like a skill issue. T49 has a 900 dmg derp gun option

[cunning ocean]

A derp gun that can no longer auto lock at this moment.

[left stratus]

Yeah he hit but before he could reload he died my dude

[cunning ocean]

That's a 12 second reload about to be 18 seconds once that update hits....and that's if he will even hit after those changes xD

Cause rn that targeting reticle mine as well be the screen atm on the tier 10 xD and it's about to be worse and be covered in dust.

[hybrid fjord]

https://tenor.com/view/dance-coffin-meme-rip-gif-16909625

[cunning ocean]

Why Ive been saying no to nerfs and changes but nope everyone says nah it's needed trust me bro.... And then you will see all of the tech tree tanks that will no longer be used.

[hybrid fjord]

I had no trouble 3 marking my t49 when teef was in the game. I used the derp gun too the whole time

[cunning ocean]

I don't have the patience to do that.

[vast onyx]

3 marking easy tanks is easy

[hybrid fjord]

But bro the teefbrekka should have stopped me XDD

At least dingus says so

[left stratus]

Its not a guarantee to see it every game. But we both no you definitely wouldn't have done it without your precious training wheels

[west hare]

I dunno. I'm about as average as it gets, like I can use the 50% fence to steady myself when I'm drinking I'm so close to it. Plus I'm old. Not older. Old. And I'm quite enjoying the test. I've had bad days (today was far from great) but overall it's been a good experience. You can tell who's been relying on snap shots simply be reading their replies.

[vast onyx]

Prove us wrong. Go 3 mark something with full prem and stick it in our faces

[hybrid fjord]

Ooh yeah that premium high explosive on the t49 that boosts your penetration from 76 to a whopping 86

[steep sable]

Im definitely liking the original aim better , just overall awareness , its such a hassle always having to re aim / orientate , just not that big an improvement if any for all the hassle

[hybrid fjord]

Bro couldn’t three mark anything even with all the “crutches”. His best is a 2 mark in Cold War where you don’t even need to spam premium

[left stratus]

If i do it will all of you admit that gold spam and premium consumables is a crutch and needs to be heavily rebalanced @vast onyx ?

[left stratus]

Whats that blast radius change?

[hybrid fjord]

Basically nothing. Negligible increase

[vast onyx]

Absolutely, any tier 10

[vast onyx]

It's an alpha buff on non pens

[left stratus]

Does it have to be WWll, i really like seeing my targets in CW?

[vast onyx]

So much broken stuff at tier 10, should be a breeze

Gotta compare apples to apples. I'll also settle for an era 2 or 3 gold mark

[left stratus]

Moving the goal posts there are we😆

[hybrid fjord]

ELC SS-12 should be doable just a casual 12k average for a gold mark

[left stratus]

I have elc and that think is so toxic played it for e25 contract proxy camo should be outlawed

[vast onyx]

No. I find gold marks in era 2 similar in difficulty to 3 marks at tier 10, as you can tell by the quantity of them. Honestly gold marking some era 2s should be much easier than 3 marking any tier 10

[hybrid fjord]

No? Cold War marks are way easier. Cold War gold mark is a tier 10 3 mark basically

[vast onyx]

You have no 2 marked ww2 tanks and a couple 2 marked era 2/3 tanks. Increasing the target by 2 moe each seems fair

[left stratus]

So I get either version of the marks and you all admit you are very very wrong and gold spam and consumables need to be heavily rebalanced?

[hybrid fjord]

If you want the easiest WW2 tier 10 3 mark right now is the object 268/4 at 3664 average. Get it done and prove us wrong

[left stratus]

Look at you looking up stats realizing im not a trash can

[left stratus]

I do love blobject

[vast onyx]

Sure. It'll be a little lackluster if you go for the cent 9 tbh but sure

[vast onyx]

I wanted a fair challenge for you

[left stratus]

No I wanna hear you all say "we'll admit gold spam and premium consumables is broken and that youve been using them as a crutch"

[hybrid fjord]

Shouldn’t be too much of a challenge given how OP gold ammo and prem consumables are 🙃

[hybrid fjord]

I will once you come back with a tier 10 three mark, or an era 2 or 3 gold mark. Shouldn’t prove too difficult given how OP prem ammo is right

[vast onyx]

It is broken and is used as the way to squeeze the last drop of effectivenes from tanks and I'd love to see a comprehensive prem/armor rebalance

[hybrid fjord]

But since that’ll never happen imma enjoy my sleep tonight

[left stratus]

Word give me some time. Im trying to bust out some tech trees while they're on discount.

[left stratus]

Not exactly what I wanted you to say but it'll suffice

[vast onyx]

That's my stance now. If you can truly get there, then I severely underestimated the effect

[hybrid fjord]

Higher chance of @keen viper gold marking his T249 tbh

[cyan blade]

[deft barn]

Auto aim doesn't select the closest tank. How does it select the tank if there are 3 or more tanks you are facing?? In my case I had 2 tanks in Ruinberg down the street I was duelling with and one tank came down a nearby cross street and I hit auto aim multiple times and I died before it even selected the closest tank I was pointing my gun to. Someone please explain how that is supposed to work. That didn't seem right to me.

[tacit nova]

What about me do you see me as cute too?

https://tenor.com/view/re4-resident-evil-4-remake-ashley-mini-game-gif-8760668557813957138

[tacit nova]

3 marking most tanks is easy with enough dedication, Gold marking (Without bot farming) now that is the real challenge.

[tacit nova]

Not all of them, My Gau 8 almost broke me!

[tacit nova]

Yeah it goes all weird when there are several tanks present, i had that too, even if my reticle was centered on the closes guy in my face, for some reason it sometimes picks the lonely far away target.

[vernal fulcrum]

Why we need auto aim is due to the reason how some of us see things. I have an issue with one of my eyes due to which my vision is blurred and auto aim helps me playing. I do not want to take advantage of auto aim just for the sake of it and mis use it. People with normal vision who wear glass do not fall into this category. Some comments for persons like us giving up the game entirely and playing offline games is pathetic.

[hoary oxide]

I'm think alot of players may suffer from beer goggles

[tacit nova]

Or smoke the Green Hippie plant that for multiplayer gaming is like giving yourself a debuff.

[snow robin]

rum gives me a buff

[tacit nova]

https://tenor.com/view/patrick-star-posing-flexing-muscles-patrick-gif-4597271749464047578

[tacit nova]

https://tenor.com/view/coffee-gif-14866884794849307214

[cunning ocean]

Dang tier 10...I wouldn't know where to start for a 3 mark in WW2....

When you go and look and it's mainly tds at tier 10 with 2 marks.....was going for 3 on leman but I need so much damage.....

[oak summit]

So you can see everything in the garage and the menu, the rest of the hud like hp and ammo but you can not bring the cross hairs over the target by yourself? Just asking.

[snow robin]

garage and menu isnt trying to shoot him, he has all the time in the world to look at those

[vernal fulcrum]

When you are in garage, reaction time doesn't matter I can take as much as time I need to figure things out. It's not the same in the actual game. Forget multi-player even coop is not easy. Try playing with your eyes half closed to get a feel of it.

[oak summit]

I understand your limitations.

The reaction argument is still not the best because this is not battlefield or cod. I guess in wot you don’t need good reflex to play the game.

Thx for make it more clear for me.

[vernal fulcrum]

That's fine, I appreciate it, I just wanted to highlight our perspective as there were many comments mocking us. Even my eyes were perfectly fine till mid 40s. You never know how things change.

[tacit nova]

You do need a bit of reflexes if you want to make shots in the right time or quickly get a fast weak point shot and remove yourself from danger, you don't need them to play, but you need them to play better, or be more effective.
After all muscle reflex is your brain telling your fast twitch muscles to do something snap quick, like finger joints moving at command.

[tacit nova]

E100 XD

[oak summit]

Just said that you don’t need that much of it compared to other shooter games where you have to bring the cross hairs over your target by yourself.

[tacit nova]

There is a little bit of that, but is mostly related to shooting and quick corrections.

[oak summit]

A little bit of reflexes I need also in the morning leaving the bed 😂

[steep sable]

Is that tank behind a rock or is it in the open ? No idea , 300 meters and can't lock in direction, silly , no a dan

[deft barn]

It seems to me if I'm looking in the direction of three tanks withing 200m, and autoaim is "supposed to" work and I hit auto aim, it should lock on the closest target first, and then next closest next and then if I hit a third time it should cycle to the last tank. I don't think this has ever worked that way.

Of course it would also be nice if you could target the biggest "threat" first or the highest dps tank first. Maybe an option to select the targeting method would be a constructive suggestion.

But before that I still would like to know how is it SUPOSSED to work NOW?

Is this broken as is or working as intended? If working as intended, I think it is broken and needs work.

[steep sable]

Not worth the hassle , no real improvement to game play , more negative then positive, ya sure its playable , but just a hassle and unnecessary, I dont think modern armor us counting on the spotter looking out to identify targets , so its less realistic, simply add a targeting delay to avoid the snaps , at least allow the target to be located and centered , I always manually aim anyways the lock is used for general orientation

[deft barn]

I also think with the most recent change this issue is more apparent to me because I'm using auto aim more specifically in these types of engagements... up close fast and furious duels with multiple tanks and less and less to snap and zoom in to shoot long range shots.

[queen dove]

Watch out the sweats will call you bad for using auto aim to lock in a general direction of a target, even if you manually aim the final shot. How dare you damage them

[tacit nova]

Ok you deffo have something up your bum.

[queen dove]

Is that a fantasy of yours?

Someone will be along soon to say it

“So you can’t use your eyes” is a favourite

[tacit nova]

They are giving feedback and you run to your typical comments, at this point taking you serious is the joke.

[tacit nova]

@deft barn @steep sable
Are you guys talking about a specific mode or the game in general?

[steep sable]

The game in general just feed back to the no auto aim feature

Again I didn't use it to shoot its predominantly used to identify the threat direction , id be fine with that , u always take over from that point anyway I find , thats all , regardless I still like playing,

[queen dove]

I can’t take sweats seriously who blame auto aim for being shot

It’s almost as bad as the players who message other players calling them cheaters. You made a mistake, you got shot for it. Suck it up

[tacit nova]

Lol they seem to live in your head rent free long after seems like it to me, but oh well.

[tacit nova]

Yeah i hear you, and if i am honest i hear something about an issue with 3rd person were a BUG doesn't let you see the outline of the enemy but i had no such encounter yet.

[deft barn]

I'm talking about multiplayer mode in cold war. I have only played a few games ww2 multiplayer. I have not tested in coop mode yet.

[strange hazel]

Me and my buddies are long time players who exclusively play world war II. We do not like how the auto aim was changed. As a more casual player, it's making it a lot harder to aim your shots well. It takes a lot more time to line up your shot.
My buddies and I are rather upset about it and would like to see it reverted soon.
Not everything needs to be changed. The auto aim system worked fine and is a core mechanic. I don't understand why it's being changed.

[hybrid fjord]

It goes back to normal on Tuesday

[strange hazel]

Yeah just read it. My dad is very happy to hear it's being reverted soon

[steep sable]

Maybe they can find away to use auto aim to identify threats per say to give quicker orientation vs directly aiming at a tank maybe if u want to avoid the cheap 1 shot kills which is what I heard this change was about partly anyway

[solemn trail]

Yeah I don't think this kind of change is gonna come to live game
It's simply too divisive/problematic for implementation
Sure it may be in the right direction for some, but it also takes away/alters a key part of the game that was never really a big issue
Accuracy on the move is what made it as good as it is now, and with the blanket nerfs to accuracy coming I feel like this kind of thing is just redundant

[tepid thistle]

Personally I hate it. Please switch it back!!!!

[solemn trail]

Like personally I'm not really against it
I just think it's really redundant because of all else that's gonna happen with regards to movement and accuracy

I do however completely understand people's sentiments with this and how it effects their ability to play

That alone makes me not want this to go through because many people essentially need this feature in order to actually play because of disabilities

If this were to go through then that would be a lot of people would be at a significant disadvantage even more so playing than they currently are now

Tldr ; doesn't affect me much but affects waayy more peoples ability to play at a somewhat competitive level

[brittle glade]

Good change thus far, probably would increase the range to 250m but otherwise solid change

[pastel snow]

Too bad its being reverted.

[craggy stag]

Hope it comes back at some point

[formal zenith]

For me i dont like the auto aim rework thus far... I use auto aim as a quality of live thing. For example if I'm aiming at an enemy I often use auto aim so that my gun stays on the target while I look around to see if I can shoot someone else. And if I decide to shoot on the locked target I switch to sniper mode and beeing still on the target and than take the shot manually without auto aim

[distant loom]

Agree… I use it less for aiming… more for locating (range), tracking and maneuvering. It’s like the DEVs don’t play the game.

It’s best to camp 🏕️

[snow robin]

i hope they wont continue to mess with auto aim since the feedback is very divided

[ocean ice]

It sucks. Launch a missile and totally unable to guide it. Also unable to auto aim. Is this another verison 6.0 debacle in making?

[solemn trail]

This is what I'm saying

It's just simply too divided/problematic for implementation

[queen dove]

The division is good players wanting auto aim gone and us casuals wanting it to stay. WG shouldn’t be listening to comp players they just want to make the game easier for themselves at the expense of everyone else

[hybrid fjord]

What do the auto aim changes have to do with being able to guide a missile? Those two things don’t affect one another

[craggy stag]

I think theres an issue when the casual community is so bad they have to rely on an aim-bot system that people have continously have complained of. But go off i guess. Maybe its good the skill floor is going up.

Altho I understand the issues for those with disabilities

[tacit nova]

Yeah those are pretty understandable up to a point.

[craggy stag]

Yea. I feel bad for that batch. That'll require some ironing out.

[tall bone]

Thanks to everyone who has come into this thread the last couple of days & voiced their opinions about this test. It's nice to read more than the same 5 or 6 people posting for a change here agree or not I'm very glad to see some new names here posting 👍. I like many of you am a casual player. I'm also old & suffer vision issues. I love WoT on console & really hope that this change stays in the trash bin but that's just my opinion. Again thanks to all the new folks for posting the last few days ☑️

[craggy stag]

If WG keep up good tests like this. I feel that the equipment changes may not be disastrous after-all.

[tacit nova]

Mostly that is going to be Devs making some options for the handicap, but the problem is that the game is a Multiplayer PVP mainly, so you can't really go nuts to give a super advantage that some normal player might want to exploit, so you have to keep it very very basic, If you look at games like The last of US part 2, i has an amazing amount of handicap settings, but although i heavily applaud the stuff they did, part of it was done because it was a Single player game.

[craggy stag]

Yes. I can see how having disability settings would be troublesome to implement in a multi-player PVP game.

[tacit nova]

There was a mention that after the Skill/Equipment update they might test it again, but it is unsure at the moment, this might be the only one.

[craggy stag]

I wonder if that means that the update is coming sooner rather than later

[tacit nova]

Yeah a lot of players would exploit it, and we are back to square one but worse because there is now a cheating like system and the people with disabilities getting some perks, but the entire player system suffering from exploited issues, and i mean actual exploits.

[tacit nova]

Well the last info we have is that it was supposed to come this year, but no date so far.

[craggy stag]

I see.

[tacit nova]

Now if you excuse me i am going to abuse some elders in my tier 8 for free XP for a bit XD

https://tenor.com/view/rick-sanchez-laughing-laugh-rick-and-morty-the-devil-gif-9439105

[loud abyss]

Hate the change. Will leave if implemented. I've got almost 100K games under my belt. Have spent over $50K in the past 11 years. I'm done.

[craggy stag]

... 50K? 💀

[south idol]

You must have all the preimum tanks in both ww2 and cold war. I've been playing just as long, and have maybe spent $8k over the same time period.

[worn pier]

This new auto lock is crap, as long as light tanks stay just out of your range they pick you apart. Even once spotted it’s sometimes impossible to get a lock while maneuvering and re-positioning

[stiff lynx]

yes that is the point, to auto lock outside 200m you have to be aiming at them.

[oak granite]

Aiming in a shooter is too mich for some people

[worn pier]

It is just giving another advantage to the overpowered light tanks in the game like the weasle. They pop in undetected from a blind side lock on and move out a bit a tear a heavy apart, I call bull on that

[tacit nova]

Is not a change, is a Test and it will be over this coming Tuesday.

[tacit nova]

Ah lucky that the Wiesel is going to be nerfed and the Auto aim test is ending this Tuesday, after that everything back to normal until the update.

[craggy wren]

Final take, after 4 years of playing every day, disabled and old, i am finding the game boring to the point i am loosing interest. Surprisingly, this one change really ruins this game for me, makes play laborious and tediously uninteresting. Even though i am scoring about the same if i survive the first minute or two. I think i would stop playing if this is implemented. Though i use feature to find tanks rather than snap shoot. Oh well

[worn pier]

They are doing a second week of testing, I usually play 2-3 hours everyday for the past 7 years… this week I never even came close to the test drive challenge. Maybe 1-2 battles and said screw this

[hollow gust]

It’s not a second week of testing, it’s a different test entirely

It goes back to normal on Tuesday

[worn pier]

I’ve spent 7 straight years on here, premium time and bought my fair share of premium crap…. After this week, playing next to nothing with this change, they won’t get another dime from this guy

[worn pier]

They still aren’t getting another dime from me for this crap. Game was fine in this aspect before. Don’t even get me started with screwing with the commander perks

[tacit nova]

Yeah but that might be months from now, this Tuesday is going to be the +1/-1 test.

[worn pier]

+1/-1 means nothing to me, I am fine with +2/-2 and I would give +3/-3, hardly ever play WW2 now and usually just my premiums

[hybrid fjord]

https://tenor.com/view/conbrosations-eddie-hot-takes-salt-bae-gif-26059723

That’s a first. Never seen anyone say they aren’t interested in +1-1. I can’t wait. The game will actually be balanced for a week. Tier 8 gon be lit

[craggy stag]

The few tanks that used to be +3/-2 were...tragic. sometimes. It was fun. AMX-12T able to fight tier 4s was cool. On the other hand. Tier 9 wasn't fun-

[hybrid fjord]

Wow, you an OG. I wish I got to experience that, sounds hilarious

[craggy stag]

Been here for a long time. Coming up on 10 years

[hybrid fjord]

Didn’t some tier 5 tanks on PC used to be able to fight 10’s?

[craggy stag]

That would be crazy. But hilarious.

[hybrid fjord]

Apparently it used to be like that way back when according to Google. That’s crazy 😂

[craggy stag]

My first kill on a tier 10 was with the AMX-12T. That was when platoon didn't have to play the same tier. Friend would grab his tier 9, boosted me up to tier 10. Killed a FV 215B 183 with a AMX-12T. Felt legendary.

[tacit nova]

https://tenor.com/view/the-simpsons-boom-roasted-hot-take-tea-truth-gif-17612087

[tacit nova]

I stil played my Tiger 1 against Tier 10s with Platoons back in the day XD

[tacit nova]

https://tenor.com/view/hulk-hogan-nodding-nod-yes-yup-gif-13973219

[hybrid fjord]

I wouldn’t have minded playing tier 6 lights in tier 10 games but not heavies ☠️

[tacit nova]

Wanna know the worst part.... i ended first in that game and got a 30% extra earn on everything, you could spam premium and earn Silver because of the high earnings XD

[craggy wren]

I am interested in 1+1 but i play a different tank each game and i have most tanks 7 + and modern , so don’t think that will mean much to me. We will see.

[hybrid fjord]

Do you mean tier 7 +?

[misty yew]

Been playing since the beginning. Not a fan of the reduced aim assist. I’ve used it for years for target acquisition. Once I have a target I switch to manual aim to attack.

[keen viper]

I agree man. It also makes the disparity between bad players and good players way more

[tacit nova]

Hot Take, use the mini map and see where the enemy is XD.

[keen viper]

The gap will be increased. Worse players will be farmed easier

[tacit nova]

If you think about it is a hot take XD

[misty yew]

I use the map quite a lot. The aim assist would tell me what of the distant targets were able to be engaged in stead of manually checking each target to see if it was blocked by terrain.

[keen viper]

Thats more of what it is. The outlines suck and I cant tell whats blocked

[hybrid fjord]

That has been the main complaint with this test actually. The tank “outlines” are not functioning as they usually would. Making it hard to judge if they’re safe behind terrain or not

WG say they’re taking this feedback on board but that’s just what they’re saying 🤷‍♂️

[keen viper]

Type 5s in the open and you cant tell. Im not the only 1 noticing this

[tacit nova]

Oh i don't mean you i mean in general XD

[tacit nova]

Yes we need this outlines options so bad

[keen viper]

That looks amazing. Pc knows what they are doing

[hybrid fjord]

This shows the problem perfectly. I just guessed this guy was available to shoot lmao

[tacit nova]

To be honest i never in my life seen players complain as much about the auto aim, as the outlines, those are the real problems, lately WG seems to focus on the things that hurt the game the most instead of the actual problems.

[tall bone]

Do you remember pre 6.0 when they added what they called a screen door to the outline & how helpful that was?

[hybrid fjord]

I can’t say I do remember that no. I did only start playing in 2019 so I only got to experience about a year and a half before they dropped the 6.0 update

But I will say I remember pre 6.0 outlines being way better in general

[keen viper]

Only started in 2019?

[hybrid fjord]

Consistently yeah. Prolly fall 2019. About the time they did the 279 year long mission

Been playing since 2017 but it wasn’t often. I was such a bot lmao

[keen viper]

Yea you just suck man😂

[hybrid fjord]

My favourite tank as a bot was the O-ni 🤣

[keen viper]

I started in 2022 consistently. Started in 2014 on another account tho

[tall bone]

So it was a way that you could look at a target & there would be different shades so like looking through a filter to see if terrain or a dead tank was blocking the shot. It was IMO very helpful Jeff Gregg & RC did a great job explaining it in streams

[keen viper]

My first line was the Japanese heavys. Those were not fun times😂

[hybrid fjord]

I don’t remember that at all no. I think I joined too late for that

[tacit nova]

This is one of the oldest Pre 6.0 games i found so far
https://youtu.be/aZn_DY9xz9Q?si=LnGl0q4q_mqqoCMo

[quaint anvil]

If the intent of the auto-aim changes is to encourage more long range fire, then I think it is a failure. We are one person controlling 4 tanker functions. The least we can expect is that the gunner can obtain and acquire a distant target while we are driving the vehicle and scanning for enemy threats. If anything, make the long range auto-aim more accurate.

[hybrid fjord]

The accuracy . god I miss it

[tacit nova]

And this Rikki video that is very old
https://youtu.be/YKLTSgImI34?si=cfGiz18q3gNlqnS9

[craggy stag]

Old world of tanks my beloved.

Why did we get rid of it? We we at the pinnacle of greatness. And it was cast aside.

[worn pier]

Only weak tankers “need 1/1” dont mean to insult but I remember a far worse time

[worn pier]

Only weak players “need +1/-1” I remember a far worse time my friend

[tacit nova]

@hybrid fjord HA! you weak!! XD

Give you Super Uni Card XD

No stat shaming

[worn pier]

This new “change” to me is a total screw up… taking the game down a path where all we will see is premium light tanks. 7 Years on main account and 9 years on my old account…. I will drop this game rather than deal with this change

I very rarely play WW2, I would rather open up the Era’s verse each other than deal with this auto lock crap

[cunning ocean]

Quick grind all your tier 8s out !

[tacit nova]

You see hehe that is what makes a real strong tanker, i already did

https://tenor.com/view/flexing-flex-arnold-arnold-schwarzenegger-body-builder-gif-18454197

[cunning ocean]

Shhh >.> There's a few tanks I avoided

[tacit nova]

Arty? Free XP them XD

[cunning ocean]

What no rhinocerete line because I don't feel like doing this

[tacit nova]

Ah, do the daily XP and them forget about them for the day XD

[cunning ocean]

Alright well I can't find it so insert meme of monks getting hit in the crotch repeatedly down below.

[tacit nova]

But once... and daily XD

[bold crag]

Yup I said it several days ago prepare for light wars … with a sniper here and there

[vague crescent]

I like the change, but would have preferred to have auto aim nerfed/removed for close distance encounters as that’s where the RB/RT yolo crowd farm their no skill damage. Call me crazy, but I don’t feel like people should get free damage for being able to drive in circles while holding the trigger down.

[mortal pier]

Hey Crazy,
I doubt that there is no target acquisition in the new tanks 🤷🏼‍♂️ Have you ever tried shooting at a target on a bike with a bow? 😅
If that were to be removed from Lights, they might as well get rid of the guns and use cars for spotting.
Aiming at 70-80 km/h would be quite a feat, especially at moving targets.

[left nexus]

Next move is to remove auto aim entirely

[cunning ocean]

Yha let's remove a large portion of the play base because they got too old....

[left nexus]

Is aiming that hard?

[cunning ocean]

You don't realize how many players actually can't play w.o it, and many elderly have showed why they need it in this thread.

[left nexus]

No i didnt really looked at it like that

[cunning ocean]

There's many types of eye issues, and I don't even know the other disabilities others may have , but yes there's a lot of tankers aged 50+

[left nexus]

Well let me explain why i even suggested it
Arent you tired of people auto locking you and runing around you suiciding in the process and ruining your game?
God forbid if they are playing xm 800 or wiesl or anything with auto cannons

[cunning ocean]

No I'm not tired actually because most the time they bounce and rush me in a brawl where I excell best at.

[left nexus]

Prove it i bring my amx and you bring t92 if you could do 500 damage to me i will delete my account and i wint even auto lock you

[cunning ocean]

I'm good I don't play lights like that

[left nexus]

Than you have to admit you are out of touch with the problem just because you dont have problesm with it doesnt mean the problem is not there

[cunning ocean]

Nah the amx is anti light tank and you asking me to play a redundant light that hasn't gotten buffs means your out of touch

And if your asking for the arty not everyone has the tier 10

[left nexus]

You can bring any light
I can bring xm 800
Wiesel mk1
Anything with auto cannons and the result is the same

Even if we both bring xm 800 for example the person who auto locks firdt will win

[ocean beacon]

Will there be a Survey for this test and if yes will the link be posted on this Discord?

[left nexus]

You can even bring leopard 1a5 amx bronus even chieftain or m60a3

[cunning ocean]

Cool just let me grab the Gau where it requires aim

[left nexus]

That makes no sense

[cunning ocean]

Don't know why your hung up on others opinions anyways I been asking for era 2 tech trees and buffs to tech trees if you read other threads but probolly don't there are obviously underperformers and will increase with the skill and equipment changes but no one listens to me.

[tacit nova]

Yeah!!... i mean NOOOOO

[tacit nova]

Yeah our game has high population of 20+ and the lowest is at 15-.

[cunning ocean]

In the discord apparently.

[tacit nova]

Nope, the problem is not the player is the tank balancing.

[left nexus]

Sorry but i dont see what is the relevance of this to the issue i was talking about
In the i dont think you can fix this which is both toxic and unbalanced and unfair with buffs
I mean what are you going to do to t92 to make it relevant ?
Xm or wiesel or marder or bmp2 or even amx can still auto lock you and run at top aspeed around you and killyou in practically 1.5 sec

[tacit nova]

Well this test didn't even do much for the CW auto cannons and WG said that it wasn't the intention to begin with.

[left nexus]

I think thid was a great change because before the moment you got detected even at range you would just get auto locked and shot at

But i think we can add to it

[cunning ocean]

Auto lock will miss half the time if the tank moves fast enough

[left nexus]

Irrelevant bro rven if its like that the result is the same

[cunning ocean]

Next you'll be crying it's a sweat fest because everyone's too good because you now have no one to punch down on.

[left nexus]

Are you drunk?😐

[cunning ocean]

No I actually think ahead not about the now which you do apparently

[left nexus]

Well your prediction is... ridiculous 😆
Have you ever checked the stats if fv107 and compared it to typr 62 in era1?
Thid isjust and example i have checked its universally the same

[cunning ocean]

Do you want the game to feel better just for you and have just super unis playing or do you want elderly players to continue playing simple as yes or no

[left nexus]

I only care about balance
Elderly are not forced to play auto cannons there are always ways to play

Now your turn have you checked the stats of those tanks before?

[cunning ocean]

So you don't care about elderly and that they leave that's all you needed to say

[left nexus]

If elderly play only 1 type of tank and they will leave because of a balance change i dont have any issues with it
Also world isnt white and black
I doubt they will leave

If they were to leave they would have left by now

[cunning ocean]

They play other tanks....if you remove auto aim they will leave simple as that no money for wargaming to keep the lights and the servers on = more bots= lowering playerbase= dead game

Seen more bots this week than past weekends.

[left nexus]

Ok but you dont need to be rude to me by making ludicrous predictions
At the end of the day im just another player who suggested something i dont work at wargaming

[snow robin]

he just salty about autocannons

[cunning ocean]

Apparently.

[left nexus]

That i am there is no shame in it

[mortal pier]

Basically, only 125 people voted here, which will never reflect the total number of players.
So Wargaming will definitely look at the player statistics and their successes and failures.
How many players logged in, did the number increase or decrease?
How did the change affect player performance?
Did players get better or worse? Which players (elite or casuals) got better or worse?
How did the games go? Did people stand still a lot? Did people capture more often?

Which tanks were preferred?
Which tiers?

So we can't really achieve anything here with this two-front war of discussion.
Just my opinion.

[left nexus]

But we are at the end of the season i personally dont play how can they use ssuch data at this time?

[mortal pier]

Your voice will certainly be included here, but it is only a fraction of all players.

[left nexus]

Yeah i hope i am giving good feed back as small as it is i only want the best for the game we enjoy hopefully thats ok

[tacit nova]

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[left nexus]

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Need more?

[tacit nova]

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[mortal pier]

You did a great job. For such a fundamental change, every bit of feedback is important.
It's just a shame that there are so few of us here to give our feedback, whether for or against the change.
But I think it's clear so far that the majority of the very good to excellent Unicums on the site are in favor of the change, while the poorer players and casual players tend to be against it. (That's my assessment, but I could be wrong.)

[tacit nova]

In general we UNICORNS also got into a Medium balance about 1st we don't care if we are really honest, not speaking for everyone but a lot of us could care less about this test, only a minority claimed the "GIT GUD" statement, but in general if there was no bigger update on the horizon, this could be a bit more important, but what a lot of us really got from this is that there is a section of our players that:

A) have some type of handicap and depend on auto aim (No problem because it has been in the game forever).

B) Super Unis can adapt to most changes unless they are not fun like the Match maker test, (Ignorant players had the idea the we were not happy because we could not do damage to players because we want Potatoes as enemies, no our effectiveness was still on match, the issue was the games being one sided and loosing by force no matter how well we played).

C) This test was interesting not because of the game, but it opened the eyes to problems of the player base, not the game itself and some unbalanced tanks.

D) This test is quite irrelevant for US players given that an update that will nerf accuracy is coming and that is going to be the interesting part to try out and also pay attention to the players that will criticize that system but based on their own bias and not the game in general, in other words... (Good players will test and give feedback, no matter how good or bad they are at the game, Bad players will want changes based on their biases, this are the problem players to look for).

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[mortal pier]

That's a wonderful statement from you.
I completely agree with you.
Thank you very much for your neutral summary.👍🏽

[tacit nova]

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[winged thicket]

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[craggy stag]

I did plenty to curb snap shot tank destroyers and medium tanks. Who now had to actually aim, coming from someone who just two marked the T-54. It felt genuinely fun and rewarding to earn every little bit of that dmg.

Side note. Red Makez it goz fasta

[south idol]

It empowered the yolo light tanks in cold war. More impactful in ww2 with taking longer for players to aim at weak spots than auto aiming with premium rounds. I prefer the way it was though. Need to get rid of bleed damage. That would be the bigger benefit to players. Make those mini gun tanks use HE.

[south idol]

Na, just looks cooler.

[oak granite]

So take autoaim completely away would solve that ? So they also have to aim manually ? Because driving circles while hitting anything is much harder than just sitting still and aiming .

[craggy stag]

Auto-aim needs to be taken away from a select few auto-cannon tanks. If you do that to the BMPs and Bradley's they will become very sad

[south idol]

Ypu must have balance, you take away from some, must take away from all.

[craggy stag]

Yes. But you don't see people complaining about the Bradley's and BMPs do you? There can be exceptions.

[cerulean flicker]

Personally, I think this gave them the data to see how insanely out of balance the tiny CW autofire tanks are in the game. I played almost entirely CW this week and 50% of every team was some combination of light tanks with autocannons. Absolutely bonkers.

[stark void]

no clue and no clue

[vague crescent]

The targets/victims of RB/RT lights have to actually aim (while leading a rather fast target) to try and counter, with the added trolliness of light tank hit boxes, while they rack up thousands of damage with little to no effort. Change auto aim to just snap to targets and have players actually aim if they want to earn damage. Just my two cents.

[hollow hare]

i have redownload WoT for these live tests. its good to see WG taking steps to reintroduce player skill to the game. the main thing that i dont like about this auto aim test, is nothing i cant get used to. Keep this up. im looking forward to playing daily again!

[serene barn]

Last thoughts
From what I’ve played seen and read the main issue is towards cw mode mainly auto cannons at long distance that what I see

In general for cw near enough all tanks are all the same for speed and game play style so hitting on the move is too accurate for the speed of the tanks at far range
Going back to being familiar and speed and huge view range it’s easy for tanks to manoeuvre whilst locked on especially flanking the enemy behind solid cover

For ww2 it’s a different kettle of fish there are so many play styles and types of tanks on offer
Plus without some tools and equipment from cw to help with manual aim or cover the outline only does so much and not that detailed at range that auto aim is essential to either 3rd person shoot or line up a shot in 1st person
Like I said above for ww2 tanks are a tin of mixed wrapped up chocolate
There is so much variety of choice to choose and mix in the match maker and unlikely to be rushed by the whole team within the first minute compared to cw
If anything what happened in the tog that rng plays a massive factor if a shot hits nevermind pens

[hidden marsh]

As for the this changes you've make the TD more or less unusable. Since they need the help from spotting to be functional for the rest of the team and then remove the warning for the opposite tanks, so they don't know they are spotted or targeted and make them visual 100%. This changes is like undercooked porridge, it's eatable but not good!!

[wispy gorge]

My conclusion is auto aim with snapshot sucks,it miss or bounce 75% of times, but it is good tool for beginners to start playing game, players over one year don’t use it or just for targeting

[left nexus]

This is true but i think this test is opportunity to give some feedback
Maybe it can help

For example when i said remove the auto lock i dodnt realize how some of our players really depend on it
I think its fine to have the auto lock after thinking about it more

But i also think there should be a certain amount of balance and care to it ans it shouldnt be toxic

So you might ask when is it toxic or unfair ...
Well from what i experience there is this culture of gameplay in both ww2 and cold war that players try to circle around you and auto lock you

Is it because of auto lock it self?

Are they all handicapped

Like some times people circle around you in heavy tanks while you are a medium tank even is ww2 i have seen this

So here is what i ask
I believe it or not am a super uni
I still can deal with an xm800 runinr around me or a t-72 or even in ww2 actually in ww2 its far easier to deal with it

But why i want this to be changed

Every arguement has 2 sides we say a lot of elderly or handicapped players depend on auto lock
Sure ok i get it

But what are we suppose to do with this toxic unfair and quitefrankly bad way if playing that has developed amongs our players?

On the other side of this arguement are the weaker players sure i know how to keep my armor facing where it is needed and i know how to move my hull and turret that i at least fire back but what about weaker less skilled players?

At first i thought maybe we should just delete auto lock entirely

But then again its not a good suggestion

Then i thought maybe she should remove the ability to auto lock from certain weapon types

Like atgms

But is this a good idea?

[stiff lynx]

Personally I didn't consider auto aim a massive issue as it was almost always inferior to an aimed shot. However I will recognize that I alongside most other players use auto aim very often to find targets and keep the gun on them. I think the first part is problematic, particularly at range where you can just tap right bumper at every icon until you see a red reticle on a target you otherwise would never visually identify. Typically I would argue that gun handling during hull and turret traverse should be targeted but that was before I knew this was even possible. The major issue with the test as it stands for me is the target identification aspect, and I believe this is the issue most people are complaining about whether they recognize it or not. Since we now know target outlines are directly tied to your ability to auto aim a target, this poses the biggest issue.

If WG can separate the outline (and hopefully improve it to PC standards) and instead use a different indicator for auto aim we will be in a perfect spot in my opinion. This way gun handling does not need to be nerfed quite as heavily so as to still allow for somewhat accurate aimed shots while on the move

[fast tapir]

I totally agree with this. I would rather auto aim get severely reworked/handicapped instead of gun handling being put in the dirt and having to go back to missing full aimed shots

[outer nymph]

Use sixth sense then that’s your warning system for when you’re spotted not the targeted

[cunning ocean]

Ahh yes let's punish the people that can't play properly because of irl issues....

Man didn't realize elderly were punching bags at this point or people with disabilities.

[fast tapir]

Never said that. Auto aim isn't only used by people with disabilities either.

[cunning ocean]

Yes but severely nerfing and or removing it you mine as well be kicking them on the ground from what your wanting

[fast tapir]

Okay? I understand games being accessible, but that doesn't mean it should come at the cost of everyone elses fun 🤷‍♂️

[cunning ocean]

Yha your pretty much telling the people that need it to leave and stop playing at your expense.

Been here since the beginning mine as well keep it

[fast tapir]

Just because something has been around for a long time doesn't automatically make it worth keeping forever

[stiff lynx]

I mean I kinda covered how there needs to be accessibility improvement to the outlines, which is what Pigeons was responding to.

[cunning ocean]

He also stated it should be severely nerfed

[fast tapir]

Nicer outlines that you can actually see are great, and don't risk dumping on my game cause someone dice rolled 400m away and got lucky

[stiff lynx]

Auto aim should be yes, the outlines no

[cunning ocean]

Dang well y'all cold hearted lol wonder how y'all will be treated when your 50+ yrs old...

Let alone disabilities

[stiff lynx]

What's cold hearted about that? The main complaint from everyone has been the visibility issue, that's the problem that needs fixing for it to work. Unless we are arguing there are players unable to control their camera trying to rbrt their way down the battlefield

[fast tapir]

If you THAT desperately need RBRT because you cannot press LT and move the joystick, this is the wrong game for you

Sight issues can be fixed with better outlines

[cunning ocean]

Y'all didn't read the comments from the others in this thread either some have horrible eyesight and only see prob 20% of the screen

[fast tapir]

How many times do we have to say it?

[stiff lynx]

Again that's the point of improving the outlines. The entire argument I made through that response

[cunning ocean]

How many times do I have to say it that y'all don't like rbrt because it's easier for disabled and elderly folks.

[stiff lynx]

Literally since the thread opened even those of us in favor are saying "Hey I cannot see these targets plz help with outlines"

[fast tapir]

I don't like "RBRT because it's easier"

Do not constrew that to make it appear to be targetted at certain demographics

[cunning ocean]

Mine as well be no one else is defending them because they don't live in discord.

[fast tapir]

Someone having better outlines really does not negatively impact my gameplay, someone autolocking my tank and hitting me with 0 effort does

[cunning ocean]

Yha I don't care about the outlines I'm talking about the auto aim test in here

[fast tapir]

If you are that reliant on RBRT, that you physically cannot touch LT or the joystick, there exists modified controllers you could potentially look into, otherwise, I'm sorry, this ain't the game for you 🤷‍♂️

[cunning ocean]

That's not for you to decide but the developers and mind you this is where your coldhearted

[fast tapir]

Could always keep autolock how it is in Co-Op and change it in MP if possible 🤷‍♂️

[stiff lynx]

Mind you those controllers exist specifically so games don't need to dumb down their controls and mechanics so they can be played one handed on a standard controller

[stiff lynx]

If you are physically unable to aim a shot on a standard controller, look into these. They are a little bit pricier especially if you need a custom one but they are in fact out there

[fast tapir]

Not really cold hearted.

If I lose fingers and can't play my favorite games anymore, yeah it sucks, but I don't wanna ruin gameplay for everyone else just cause of me 🤷‍♂️

I'd also advise looking into accessible setups that exist, and if there isn't one, try to suggest/design one. We live in a modern age where that is not out of reach

[oak granite]

I feel sympathy for all those disabled people but we are not World of Tanks Handicaped version we have colourblind mode & aim assist (not auto aim) i bet there are also paralysed ppl who wants to play this game but we cant let autoaim also drive for us.

[left nexus]

Well it is intresting

I bet most people dont see it as an issue
I certainly didn't but a few weeks Go my friend returned to the game after like 3 years
We started with the metal fest event then we played some ww2 tier 8 and 9

And mainly after that we settled for cold war he wanted to play sheridan and other atgm vehicles

He first made the issue clear to me auto aim for many players have replaced real aiming many players dont know how to aim for weak spots they simply auto aim and circle around their target

From ehat i remember from before 6.0 right? The auto aim was a tool too keep your reticle where you wanted it but you had to manually aim in the end

Now ofc its entirely different

Also what we discovered is this and you can also go and check stats of tanks in the game

Auto cannons soft stat be it accuracy on the move or turret rotation is almost always worse than single shot cannons
Best example is fv107 vs the type 62 i the top era 1 chinese light

Fv 107 has worse stats but it almost never misses

But type 62 decpite having better stats misses quite often especially when auto locking

We also discovered another issue at range when you aimed your shot missed some times but if you would auto lock it wouldnt happen

I dont know what is going on
But i think auto lock needs to be revert to what it was

Its a tool to help you keep on target but in the end you must aim yourself

As for elderdly and disabled people i dont want to hurt their experience and ability to enjoy the game
But something must be done to this mechanich that works for everyone

[blazing hinge]

Is auto-aim more of a problem in CW? I only play ww2 so i dont know. It seems there are 2 kind of opinions. Players that can not play without using it and players who can not play when other players using it 😁

[cunning ocean]

Not exactally sure why there against players using it when they miss more than hit ...giving the player being shot at more of an advantage.

My guess is them also being salty of era 2 and there trying to play wafer thin tanks that need buffs and more heavies in that era.

[tacit nova]

Auto aim has been on the game forever, the mechanic is not the issue, the buffed accuracy is, and that is going to be fixed soon, so i don't see what is with the banter anymore.

What it goes to show is that 6.0 Is still damaging the game in certain ways even to this day.

[blazing hinge]

I undersand that snap shot and mario cart game play is a problem. But is it worse in CW?

[cunning ocean]

Sorta yes but no I see a lot of meds that overextend or play w.o teamates.

[tacit nova]

A bit given how tose tanks are extra fast, tiny and can unload a magazine into a heavy with low effort and sometimes barely any damage taken.

And yes if a tank is alone in the open GG your fault to be fair.

[cunning ocean]

Map awareness is one of the issues as well I belive

[tacit nova]

That is why i said earlier that paying attention to the map is a hot take XD

[solemn trail]

"there's a map??"

[tacit nova]

No is a conspiracy! there is no map, there never was.

https://tenor.com/view/conspiracy-charlie-day-crazy-always-sunny-in-philadelphia-qanon-gif-23738584

[fallow nacelle]

I didn't realise the auto aim mechanic was a big issue for the majority of the player base. I think the bigger issue is the auto cannon guns especially in cold war..

[left nexus]

Honest to god i only think its not a fair thing

[weary forum]

I suppose I always thought of auto aim as just simply another member of the tank team taking care of that particular job. Obviously, there's only one person operating everything so he needs help. Auto aim was part of that help...

Definitely not a top-tier player and without it, I am religated to playing era 1 stuff just to survive...

[tacit nova]

The main problem is the massive damage they can constantly deal with very little issue given how high their pen is, so no tank is really "Heavy" given that some can be also penned frontally, and that is all due to the autocannons being heavily and artificially high pen.
If we are talking back shots of side shots is fine, but also they tend to pen even on angles and frontally, doing massive damage.

[tacit nova]

Well you could count it as your gunner keeping track on the target, after all there are several jobs your tank does automatically (Changing gears, loading, trcking and spotting), you could count them as your crew doing it's job.

[distant loom]

That was my thinking.

Let the commander open the hatch to have a better look… that would be cool!

🤣

… just a thought

In other words… precise aims

[cerulean flicker]

I need little guys inside my WaffentragerE100 for sure...

[ocean beacon]

WG has asked this Discord to not include Auto Cannons in this Auto Aim test. From what I have read here WG considers Auto Cannons as a separate item. Personally I don't know why. HKPROTUS is correct in his observation that Auto Aim has been in the game since day 1 on Console. Constant tanks reforged combined with an endless release of OP Premium tanks (in both modes, CW probably more) has lead to power creep and minimal tactics. I even saw an in-game tip encouraging Wolfpacks. Before Build 6.0 players have complained about long range snap shots but this again was more of a vision system mechanic with invisible tanks smashing players from unknown places. And in WWII mode it is still annoying to this day. We have dozens of items about to be changed. Leave Auto Aim unchanged until the dust has settled from all the new changes. Revisit it then if data indicates there is an issue. WG I would prefer your staff concentrate on the new items and not get distracted by low priority game aspects.

[hybrid fjord]

https://tenor.com/view/the-rock-rock-meme-gif-3932224180122628368

[tacit nova]

https://tenor.com/view/ella-purnell-lucy-maclean-fallout-smile-gif-5343093977733296729

[stark void]

WG has asked this discord to not include Auto Cannons in this Auto Aim Test
What was said in direct response to "this change doesn't fix our problem with autocannons" was that it isn't the aim so please don't judge it off thst.

Basically we asked you to tell us what you think of a new flavour of ice cream and your response was "this won't make the neon sign outside magically light up!". To say we said you can't talk about/take into account autocannons is disingenuous. The point was to base the feedback solely on "did it fix a thing it never said or set out to fix" is not very productive... very "judging a fish by it's ability to climb a tree".

[tacit nova]

The taste was ok, but we want to try the several flavors coming later XD.

Because with this test it was kind of like:

https://tenor.com/view/ice-cream-ice-cream-cone-lick-gif-26189762

But what will be interested will be:

https://tenor.com/view/ice-cream-cone-scoops-ice-cream-cone-dessert-gif-27105679

[ocean beacon]

Apologies if I overstepped or mis understood something in my post. I have tried not to include auto cannons since the request. I was only trying to point out to another post that WG wasn't connecting auto aim and auto cannons in this thread. I did state I don't know why, I shan't anymore in this thread.

[earnest otter]

Having played the game for 10 years, I don't like changing a major part of the game, like auto aim. Put it back! If you think there's a prob with CW or TD's in general, experiment on THOSE tanks, not all. MAJOR change like this would NEED to be announced on login screen, not sneaked in!

[scenic zephyr]

⚠️ DISCLAIMER ⚠️ if you don't like my comment, just pass it up, don't reply.

In CW co-op I'm noticing from this test more of my team doing the lemming train, and capping enemy base more often than it used to happen.

It seems as if: "I can't auto-lock? Fine, I'll run with 10 other players on one flank and take the enemy base".

So now I'm seeing an issue with this test. It's attracting trains and cappers.

If anyone else has noticed this (any mode), feel free to add to this.

[ocean beacon]

I have a bit.

[tacit nova]

Not me, but i don't play COOP normal mode, and no issues there.

[earnest otter]

Eliminating basic 10 yr old game mechanic? Guess what? I hate it!

[tacit nova]

1. Not eliminated but tweaked to work differently.
2. is not going anywhere, it was a test and by tomorrow is all back to normal plus 1 new Chinese Tank.
3. Don't exaggerate XD

https://tenor.com/view/ella-purnell-army-of-the-dead-gif-21723538

[hybrid fjord]

What is the Chinese tank?

[hybrid fjord]

Kellen finally got what he wanted

[keen viper]

Looks 🔥

Probably gonna be buns tho. Seems like a worse thunder chief 😂

[hybrid fjord]

Looks fkin sh*t tbh

[tacit nova]

https://tenor.com/view/doom-eternal-archvile-gif-19817628

[hybrid fjord]

Nearly 100 less alpha than bz-75, worse alpha, armour is sus

[keen viper]

Armor aint gonna work

[hybrid fjord]

1 less rocket booster

[keen viper]

It'll be bugged after release probably

[hybrid fjord]

560 alpha ain’t special anymore

[tacit nova]

I wonder how much of this is WG's Design XD like "Inspired on", but 100% fake TONK.

[keen viper]

QL, THUNDERCHIEF. terms of stats they just better in everyway

[tacit nova]

https://tenor.com/view/never-was-never-will-be-never-no-deny-gif-15853917

[tacit nova]

Well it has more Gun Depression, so it going to be more comfortable to play.

Unlike you guys i am not Mr Negative

[keen viper]

Mr brightside 😂

Yea i did see that. It goes 30kph. But i guess it has rocket boosters

[tacit nova]

https://tenor.com/view/bright-side-mr-bright-side-good-attitude-positive-look-on-the-bright-side-gif-12636184

[hybrid fjord]

They both 8 degrees?

[tacit nova]

7

[hybrid fjord]

https://tenor.com/view/risitas-yes-giggle-gif-13898844

[tacit nova]

https://tenor.com/view/rick-sanchez-laughing-laugh-rick-and-morty-the-devil-gif-9439105

[hybrid fjord]

Which one?

[tacit nova]

QL and Chief

[hybrid fjord]

Console BZ75 has 8

[hybrid fjord]

Ohhhhhh

Basically no difference really tho

[hybrid fjord]

bz75 does that and it has 1 more booster

This tank looks buns

[keen viper]

We will see i guess

Actually its probably balanced. QL is op😂

[hybrid fjord]

I don’t see the BZ-72-1 being anything special. The QL is dumb because it’s fast and has crazy pen and alpha

320 heat is 💩

[keen viper]

Yea. Im sure it will be decent tho. Cant be worse than thunderchief

[tacit nova]

https://tenor.com/view/thomas-the-tank-engine-trains-crash-wreck-fail-gif-3483319

[hybrid fjord]

That’s not saying much bro 🤣

Most tanks are better than that thing

[keen viper]

I love it tho🥰

[hybrid fjord]

This BZ will be better simply because rocket boosters

[tall bone]

I feel that way about the M3 Lee everyone hates it but I've always loved it...

[hybrid fjord]

Hopefully all the whales move to the new Chinese tank and then I can finish BZ-75

[keen viper]

Its actually not that bad anymore

It got that second turret and is pretty good now

[tall bone]

I know I can't believe that they buffed it 👍 now it's a little OP at that Tier

They buffed the reload not long ago ☑️

[keen viper]

Tier 4?

[tall bone]

Yes

[keen viper]

I wanna try thw grant again. They like the same thing

[keen viper]

I grinded it in like 2014 and hated it😂

[tall bone]

Sort of but the Lee is a beast at tier 4 now it really is. I'm not a good player & I have very good games vs some good clan tags down there in it lately. I'm truly a bad player...

[keen viper]

I love the hetzer. So much fun

The tier 4 swede td is another 1 I love aswell

[bold crag]

Sorry but no one could aim a light and drive. A gun wouldn’t be needed because you’d never be able to do anything. You do know there are crews of several
People on these tanks right?

[tacit nova]

https://tenor.com/view/whale-shark-reaction-whale-shark-ocean-gif-26493553

[tacit nova]

EEEEEWWWW tier 4

[bold crag]

I spent an hour or so taking the batteries out of my controller and back in to see if my controller was messed up … I just about thought to go buy a new one

[tacit nova]

Eeeww Xbox Controllers

[keen viper]

Xbox > psn

😂

[tacit nova]

Ask Costco XD

https://tenor.com/view/costco-wholesale-rocket-dog-doggo-gif-17547763

[south idol]

500,000 free xp, i have better things to do with free xp.

[tacit nova]

Not me i already have all TONKS

I am just abusing my T-32A and some 10X Free XP booster to see if i can get it for cheap XD

[south idol]

Nice

[stark void]

Keep the thread on topic please

[spark glacier]

I'm a lowly CW co-op player with my buddies (For us greybeards it hits the right 'Tanks n Chill' gameplay that allows for banter n beers while decompressing after work). So take this feedback for what it's worth:

Overall I think this change needs to be refined and done in a slightly less (seemingly) arbitrary manner. I'm not sure if that 200m has discrete gameplay relevance to other systems, but the binary on/off nature of it suddenly working - or not - while still being able to see our targets outlined in the distance, feels jarring and clunky during normal gameplay.

I don't need the long range snapshot accuracy. I almost always aim my shots anyway. I really just use auto-aim to alleviate one bit of finnicky tank & camera & movement control while moving or adjusting my positions in chaotic combat.

Basically for me, if my tank crew can 'see' a distant target enough to create that targeting outline on my screen, I would like the option (while panning my camera around) to maintain orientation of my turret toward's the target's general direction. It just feels more intuitive, smoother and more ergonomic in a console with console controllers, driving vehicles to have this one manual bit of tank control automated somewhat.

Like I say, me personally I do not need the long-range accuracy. And I appreciate the problems PvP players face with the current auto-aim / accuracy model.

But I think (especially for co-op because the Bots don't have feelings about this one way or another), a more nuanced system where accuracy drops precipitously with range while in auto-aim mode would yield similar benefits. While still allowing the basic ergonomic and Quality of Life assistance appreciated by a large number of people of varying abilities, preferences and so on.

[left nexus]

🥸

[oak granite]

@stark void in regards to feedback i would let people give one Statement what they like and dislike they can edit their post but cant write another they can discuss stuff in a different channel. (If that is possible on discord)
I think that would make gathering feedback easier for you

[stark void]

Well fortunately gathering the feedback is a @nimble pebble problem... the real reason I talk so much here is clearly just to make her life harder 😅

[nimble pebble]

Fortunately, we'll be locking this thread today so I can do full analysis on the feedback

But never fear! There will be a follow up survey/feedback form - so keep your eyes peeled for that :D

[tacit nova]

Hope some of my foolery makes you laugh at least and... Sorry in advance XD

[charred stag]

Whelp I'll be taking a break from WoT now until the changes come through again. If they don't, at least I ended on it with some good memories finally lol

[ocean beacon]

Any indication where on this Discord?

[nimble pebble]

Should come through to you In Game in the coming days

[worldly blaze]

Love the test, hope this becomes a part of the game in the future

[queen wagon]

New Auto Aim - is the Best rebalance at this year.

[oak granite]

Test was great with a bit of tweaks regarding 3rd person outline and maybe outlines behaving like on PC it would be perfect

[pastel snow]

The test is a succes. You get time to react once spotted, rng is less of a factor. Playing with your brain actually pays off as you can not rely on RBRT.
I hope auto aim is removed to limit the yoloing and to bring the pace of WW2 down. Matches will last longer, another huge plus.