Auto Aim Live Test

[fast tapir]

I got no words this time

[blazing hinge]

I like big maps in ww2 because for mee wot is the spotting mecanics. I played Thipval ridge and about 10 enemy tanks were spotted. I started to zoom in houses, rocks and hills. A few days ago i only disliked the mm and teammates without sixth sense. Now i cant play at all.

[stark void]

Refer you to need more data for any accurate assessment.

Gonna try get more sleep now baiiiiii

[tacit nova]

https://tenor.com/view/depressed-dark-room-sad-man-mundane-gif-27297497

[golden talon]

If you are running a Test why don’t you inform players when they are loading the game of what’s going on? Simple enough to create a Notification Screen. You could make it reusable. Call it Game Notification or something like that.

[cunning ocean]

Go try PC world of tanks...the uhhh accuracy is very ....yha....

[snow robin]

actually one of the devs here said that pc might have better accuracy after our equipment change

[cunning ocean]

Yikes didn't see that one at all, there's times where I miss 5-6 deathstar shells in a roll being fully aimed not moving.

[oak summit]

Actually I may noticed more people in the queue the last days during prime time EU. Not sure but it seems so. Probably this test week is good for the game and playerbase.

[modest sphinx]

While this is a very old clip, I feel as the bold UI elements and highlights would be better for the current test.

Make it harder to use autolock, but also make tanks more visible via the UI.

[tacit nova]

Ah man i miss that beautiful circle reticle.

[stark void]

It's mentioned on the what's new screen when players log in iirc

[golden talon]

Would be better if it was a Stand Alone screen

[stark void]

The complaint from players wasn't that people were hitting shots at distance, it was people doing RBRT was a problem.

So the aim was to lessen the RBRT and people just instantly firing off shots. Not fully data backed right now but this is likely what it has done, resulting in people having to manually aim more.

[stark void]

Fair feedback, but just saying it was shown iirc. Shown more/better is something that can probably be achieved for future things

[tacit nova]

Personally i don't mind the manual aim, will there be a similar test once the update comes out?

[stark void]

No next steps have been decided

[tacit nova]

Got it, much appreciated!

[snow robin]

yooo the old sounds

[tall bone]

They are going to make it turn based after 200 yards 🤣🤣🤣

[fickle field]

Read the develloper explanation, they are the one talking about reducing snapshots in cold war. They say it.

[tacit nova]

And you have to pay GOLD for extra turns and RNG, World of tanks the RPG.

[mortal pier]

I think the test feedback is popular with very good players, of course, but for my part, I don't enjoy playing without aim assist. In many situations where there used to be team play, there is now no support because the weaker players are only camping or busy looking for targets/opponents.
I just need support because I simply don't have the foresight and reaction time; aiming takes me forever... And I won't get there through practice either. In any case, I would find it a shame if such a change made me lose the fun of the game... And I think many others feel the same way.

It was more fun before.

[tacit nova]

At the moment there is no change, this is just a weekly test that will END on Tuesday and then everything will be back to normal until the next season.

[mortal pier]

Yes, of course I know that.

[charred stag]

I found the adjustments quite enjoyable after spending eight hours playing yesterday. It was a pleasant experience not to be instantly eliminated by five different tanks every time I was detected for a mere fraction of a second. It genuinely provides an opportunity to respond, engage, and seek cover.

[vernal fulcrum]

I completely agree with you on this; I have same issue very bad reaction time, not able to improve since I cannot devote time towards it. I am sure WG will not let down players like us, at the end of the day it all comes down to one thing

[tacit nova]

Yeah has a feeling like the older updates before 6.0.

[flat mantle]

As a recent player with super uni stats, let me say I agree with everything you, especially that this test is less fun. I think this will drive away a lot of players that can't/ won't make the adjustment. Like it or not, we are mostly older gamers and this is one of my favorite games because every match isn't a try hard sweaty experience. It's supposed to be a fun chill experience.

[charred stag]

Often that a lack of new, younger players can pose a significant challenge to the long-term viability of many games. I suspect that the recent adjustments to the game, such as the modifications to premiums, auto-aim functionality, and commander/equipment systems, may be a strategic response to this issue. The goal appears to be attracting a fresh influx of players, as without it, the game's trajectory might continue its decline, a trend that has been apparent for the past five years or more.

Also not that it matters but I've been a super uni since 2016. I did quit playing this game for years between 2022-2025. The new changes are giving me hope again.

[flat mantle]

Perhaps, but I have a feeling if young players haven't tried the game out by now, they probably aren't going to start a decade into a games lifecycle when you already have an older crowd playing.

[charred stag]

I also competed just a little. Never way my forte but I left some of the top clans when I quit. Left Asylum and joined Decoy for years then left Decoy when I quit playing the game.

[oak summit]

For me the overpowered auto aim let me play less. 🤷🏻‍♂️

[charred stag]

Given that the game is free to play, it is reasonable to anticipate that new players will continue to explore it. The positive word-of-mouth, similar to how I learned about it, should consistently attract both returning and new players. It would be unfortunate to think the perspective that those who have not yet tried the game will never do so, as this could hinder the growth of the player base and potentially lead to the game's stagnation.

[flat mantle]

I hate to break it to you, but there aren't many games that have been out for over a decade that are experiencing player base growth. Right now we need to keep what we have.

[oak summit]

At the moment the player count seems higher during the test week than before. Maybe a lot of people enjoy this week.

[charred stag]

You say there aren't many which means there are some, which I know of, so why not WoT also be one that can grow? Why purposely hold it back for your own selfish needs?

Look, I'm living proof that these changes are actually good for some of the people who stopped playing years ago. I've got the 9-year badge, started in 2016. I've played this game for nearly a decade. If this doesn't happen, I'll just keep not playing and quit again for years. I bet I'm not the only one. As for the people who still play, most of them will probably keep playing anyway. I could be wrong, but at least something's finally changing.

[tacit nova]

REAL TALK

When it comes to games that require quick reaction times, World of Tanks Console is honestly one of the tamest out there.

You can’t really blame the devs—or other players—for testing changes to a mechanic that was never meant to be the backbone of gameplay. Auto-aim is convenient, sure, but it was never designed to be your primary tool. The whole point of the game is to play the tanks, learn the tanks, and aim for weak spots or specific areas to deal damage.

I’m not gatekeeping here, and I didn’t even realize this snapshot test would stir up such a reaction. But let’s be honest: after update 6.0, accuracy buffs made auto-aim easier to lean on. That doesn’t mean it was supposed to replace aiming skills. So here’s the truth bomb—if this change is making you struggle, it’s probably because you never put in the time to really learn manual aiming or tank weak spots.

Also before the update 6.0 auto aiming was even more ineffective why i don't see that being pointed out?

Now, if your complaints are about the outlines, I get it and i am there with you that was weird, especially in WWII mode. But on the auto-aim side? This is more about players adjusting to playing the game as it was always meant to be played.
Also this is a multiplayer game with real players and a competitive nature, you will always have competitive players, the idea is to keep standard games as that standard, with no heavy competitive incentives, that should only be left to actual competitive modes.

[tranquil atlas]

It feels like as well as affecting outlines, the changes during this test have affected concealment as well. It seems random, sometimes better than before, sometimes much worse.

[thin shell]

If the problem is outlines, they will probably fix it by the next test

[tacit nova]

There won't be a next test as i was officially informed by a dear dev.

[thin shell]

So next time it will be a permanent change?

[charred stag]

100%

[tacit nova]

We don't know, but it seems that is not the case, also this test is not really taking in consideration the future Skills/Equipment update that will reduce general accuracy, but i would not count on it becoming part of the game forever, but something might be changed eventually.

[thin shell]

I guess they will test it once the other changes come live

[tacit nova]

No, this test seems to be unique as far as we know, and something else might be done in the future (here le proof).

[charred stag]

I'm always envious when I see WoT PC version of the game because they still have to take two seconds to aim and shoot accurately. It takes me back to before 6.0. I do miss those days.

[tacit nova]

Right now i am glazing my eyes at those Tier 11 tanks XD

[charred stag]

Yeah I'm unsure how I feel about tier 11 tanks still. Still very curious about them

[tacit nova]

I am also curious and they look pretty cool!

[thin shell]

Onestly only a few are very interesting to play (like the imbatable or the as xx), while others are just t10 on steroids. Also the tashenratte is completely busted, and the buff to the type 5 is stupid. Not everything wot pc does is good, for example they make mm matching tanks that play similarly against each other (like an e3 on team 1 and a badger on team 2) which makes games play the same. They also have the problem of lemming trains (or just wolfpacks but slower) where 10-12 players go in 1 spot and then you have 1 light doing sm else, 1 td at the back and arty. Despite having 10x our playerbase, their games finish as fast if not faster than ours, So in my opinion our mm works better, while screwing up the good players (i dont mind). In this example though, i think the use of autoaim works a lot better in their version.

[pulsar python]

THE OLD gun sounds

[tacit nova]

Don't forget the bad players, i am sure all of those 0s or less than 500 damage are not very happy either XD

[snow robin]

atleast they cant go below 0

[tacit nova]

https://tenor.com/view/dieter-hellstrom-дитер-хельстром-inglorious-basterds-бесславные-ублюдки-дитер-кивает-gif-17851533519782933270

[ocean beacon]

No. If the issue is RBRT fire, than just remove the fire over 200m. So a player can RBRT, lock on BUT they then have manualy zoom in to fire when beyond 200m. That removes what WG sees as a problem without impacting the use of auto lock to help player locate, see, aim and fire.

[snow robin]

or just add 2 second delay before u can fire, when using auto aim at any distance

but keep the locking as normal

[oak granite]

So you press RB LT RB now wow what a change . The Problem is people dont have to freaking aim in a shooter like really ?

[snow robin]

yall keep acting like auto aim aims for weakspots and gives lead on shots

[oak granite]

It takes away 80% of the aiming process you see immediately when you can shoot some one and can let the turret snap on the enemy before Actually peeking . It makes it to easy

[craggy stag]

Aa someone who thought auto-aim was fine. I was wrong. Not being hit with TD shell as soon as I'm seen is pretty nice. Its better this way.

[south idol]

You will get that in cold war because of true vision. Do not need auto lock to do that.

[craggy stag]

At least my enemy actually has to aim and see me. I wonder why it feels more fair when my enemy has to actually locate and aim his shot instead of just pressing a button and winning

[wild lintel]

Even though i didnt play a lot this week, i love this change! This test is the best change provided to the game since years.
I know this is a week only and I am sure it wont be added to the game as too many ppl are already used to use as less pad controlls as possible, still i just wanted to express my grattitude for this update. It is awesome. Thank you wg, you've made my week

[unique narwhal]

Another thought is to have auto lock unrestricted below 200m (as in the current test) and the available auto-aim area 2X the current test while moving faster than 25 kph . Then while Stationary and slower than 25 kph have the available area for auto-aim twice that size or 4X the current test.

This would still dramatically reduce the auto-aim radius from the current (non-test). Also have auto-aim restricted more while moving quickly but a bit less restricted while stationary of moving slowly. This might be enough for those that have vision or other limitations. Plus it would help restrict the auto-lock while yoloing game style.

[cerulean flicker]

I'm definitely warming up to the change, though I'm playing a lot of CW as I slowly work through the vikers contract. I did spend a few battles practicing manual aim and fire on the run.. I think overall, it might be for the better.

[unique narwhal]

While some fine tuning is needed, I generally like the change. I am just floating ideas that might allow those with vision limitations to still play and enjoy the game.

[oak summit]

I have to use glasses 🤓 and I enjoy the gameplay this week 👍

[random swallow]

This test bad, I don't like this

[ornate grove]

I have been playing WOT’s for 8 years now. I hate this change! Please get rid of it or I will not play and pump money into your game any longer! Please change it back!

[toxic cloak]

I honestly loved it! The new players will find hard to play but they learn the new way from the beginning so...Will not be that hard!

[thin shell]

The feedback is so polarized lmao some people love it some hate it 😂😂

[hoary oxide]

I easily adjusted to the changes and its a definite no go for me. I just fear these changes could widen the skill gap between good and bad players. No offense to all the bad players out there.

[jagged topaz]

Look at random battles today — the online population is minimal, and in Cold War there are 5–10 bots in every match. Players either sit in bushes or rush into a big brawl where they can still keep using auto-aim. This isn’t a game, it’s a disaster.

[left stratus]

Are you mad because coop took away seals to club? Some people just want a chill tank game and right now that's the only game mode in all tank games that allows for that from what I've seen. And I don't want to hear the hollow statement of "it splits the player base" that's a dumb way of thinking. It brings in new players because they have that option

[fast tapir]

Again... Actual good players don't get upset that they don't have people to farm... They want genuine gameplay

[left stratus]

Whats with the elitism from you and @tacit nova ? He asked about something he didn't know

[cunning ocean]

Seals actually play WW2 and cw

[left stratus]

That must be why their loadouts are filled with copium they want fair gameplay 🤡

[fast tapir]

"Filled with copium"

Yeah, you have no idea what you're talking about lol.

Everyone has access to the same things good players have

[oak granite]

It is like in every sport people are doing the best they can to win some losers are always mad about it, and blame X instead of getting better themself

[left stratus]

How yall liking not being able to manually aim or auto lock in type 74s?

[fast tapir]

Once again, moral high ground doesn't win debate

[left stratus]

Not the same. A better comparison would be athlete who are on roids vs those who arent

[fast tapir]

No, because steroids are typically against the rules, prem is not

[left stratus]

Come on say negating armor and never paying for your mistakes with magic repairs is fair???

[oak granite]

wrong its like driving with normal tyres instead of the highspeed tyres used by others in a race

[fast tapir]

You still pay for your mistakes and armor isn't magically negated considering some of the best tanks in the game are complained about for having unecessary armor with other benefits

And yes, even if it was like that, still fair, cause we can all use it

[left stratus]

Just because you can doesn't mean you should I have the silver to gold spam every opponent in to the ground but its meaningless and takes zero skill

All of you out here whining that games are too fast yet have gold racks and 3 premium consumables are hypocrites.....

[left stratus]

No they cant new players are severely handicapped stop lying....

[stiff lynx]

Oh no my 3 premium consumables that help me stay alive and in the fight longer 😂

[fast tapir]

If gold rounds were removed, the best players now would still mop the floor with you

[oak granite]

after their first season every player can get free t8 premiums grinding silver or playing CW. Some people are just salty they dont get better so they blame anything else but their lack of skills

[stiff lynx]

Also rip bottom tier tanks 🙏

[fast tapir]

Also, still not hypocritical, no good players are telling you to not use prem, use what tools WG has provided to win, even if they're broken, until it gets fixed

[pulsar python]

they can aim though

[left stratus]

I have no lack of skill my dude youre a streamer if I remember correctly and always have max copium in your loadout

Look you guys can gang up on me all you want, mob mentality doesn't make you right

[fast tapir]

Moral high ground doesn't make you right.

We can all play this game lol

[left stratus]

Its not even moral high ground its an objective observation playing with all those things makes for an unbalanced game....

[pulsar python]

premium rounds equal no skill

so why is it i still have to aim for weakspots
or cant just auto pen a e100 upper plate

[oak granite]

I use premium round when it benefits me like APCR if its HEAT i make it situational. I have to carry players like you in a game you are getting farmed after getting tracked one time and are to greedy to use a consumable.

[fast tapir]

You can criticize parts of the game, while using them, and it's not hypocritical until you tell someone else not do use those parts

[left stratus]

Gold rounds let you not have to aim for the cupola...........im not stupid dude

[pulsar python]

cmon now my 375 apcr should be able to auto pen everything but yet there are still certain tank parts it just no pens

[pulsar python]

what cupola on the maus is7 e100 is4 and more

[oak granite]

Good luck penning an e5 in the turret instead of aiming on the cupola 😂

[fast tapir]

I love general statements that actually don't make sense. Go ahead, gold spam the Chieftain in the turret, see how that goes for you

[oak granite]

Its sad but some people cant be helped and they must be left behind

[left stratus]

Is7 is the only one that doesn't have a reliable cupola....tell me you dont know weak spots without telling me you dont know weakspots....its almost like youre using gold as crutch instead of learning where to aim

[fast tapir]

You kept implying people who shoot gold have a skill issue, and I decided to take it upon myself to take a gander at how you preform.

Introspection is all I have to say 🤷‍♂️

[left stratus]

I dont think I've ever seen you in game actually come to think of it

[pulsar python]

so you didnt read anything I said

cause I clearly said you still have to aim for weakspots even when farming premium

and spoiler alert a cupola isnt just the only weakspot

[left stratus]

You said tanks like maus and e100 have no cupola youre flat out wrong. I read what you said its was just factually wrong

[oak summit]

At least more love it 😍

[pulsar python]

maus doesnt have a cupola at all....

[fast tapir]

I love loading gold and shooting right through E5 turrets (cause that's how we play as super uni's 💪)

[left stratus]

My wn8 stands at 2434 as im typing this, sorry my stats are red to make your opinion correct

I got here with no crutches

[pulsar python]

same just ignore the occasional bounce of nothing

[cunning ocean]

Correction...shooting at ammo racks or the engine.

[pulsar python]

its actually 1500 in ww2 tier ten

[fast tapir]

https://tenor.com/view/speed-try-not-to-laugh-speed-dont-laugh-gif-9393628858940137350

[pulsar python]

but let's move on from stat shaming cause its petty

[fast tapir]

He kept saying how people who use gold have skill issues. Don't dish it out if you can't take it 🤷‍♂️

[pulsar python]

real real and real

[cunning ocean]

I spam gold cause I'm tired of RNG

[pulsar python]

your missing out on potential damage if you dont fire premium ap and apcr

[fast tapir]

Maybe if silver was hard to come by, you could have an argument on prem being "not fair," but it isn't 2018 anymore

[pulsar python]

heat and hesh premium rounds well thats another story

[cunning ocean]

Hit lower bounce, hit cupola.....bounce.....use premium shell "AND ITS IN!"

[left stratus]

Took you long enough to admit it makes it easier....

[pulsar python]

https://tenor.com/view/speak-gif-9578947274896178319

[fast tapir]

Nobody said it wasn't easier btw, but it still is fair to use and not hypocritical

[oak granite]

some people have more to do with driving their tank in a straight line switching ammo is to much to ask

[stiff lynx]

Easier? Nah. More consistent? Yes

[cunning ocean]

The amount of players that don't carry he....

[left stratus]

You're right you are a brick wall with that lvl of incompetence

[pulsar python]

I used to think the same way about premium rounds unfair and pay to win btw

and then I accidentally pressed the button that swaps it to silver when the 4005 line came out

[oak granite]

yeah and trying to pen a one shot maus with 10 HP left with standard ap and dont pen 5 times so they get farmed i love that

[fast tapir]

Anyways,

Thanks WG for actually taking the time to test this new feature. It needs work (outlines) but I really like it and think it could be an alternative to butchering gun handling 🙏

(Also revert the MM)

[left stratus]

Oooo now youre almost seeing the light at the end of the tunnel turns of its the train of truth. Now tell me the difference? Come on you can do it

[cunning ocean]

Wonder when we will get the PC type 5 buff >.>

[pulsar python]

and learned quite that day they arent unfair or pay to win to use

[vast torrent]

Every time I play in the era 3 wiesel there's a good chance I'll be put in a bot match and I'll just wreak myself.the mm makes it hard to get a W anyways

[cunning ocean]

Happens alllll the time....

[pulsar python]

you on the other hand are still stuck in 2012 pc wot where premium rounds only costed gold

honestly im above the average or average id can definitely load the standard and still dawg on you

[left stratus]

No but you all didn't say you were more skilled which is hypocritical when loading gold makes it easier

I dont why you think im stupid @fast tapir

[fast tapir]

Better players are more skilled, even if they shoot prem 🤷‍♂️

If I were to play with standard only, I'd still do WAY better than the average player

[pulsar python]

ive encounter one to many he players now these days

you get into a nice hulldown they bounce 1 shot instant swap to he and kill my loader

[fast tapir]

I think Dingus here forgot that the FV4202 exists and doesn't have prem, and I can use that and out perform most players

[left stratus]

Some of you think auto lock is a crutch(it is to degree) but turn a blind eye when someone say the same thing about gold racks and premium consumables. You make a pathetic argument.

[pulsar python]

can confirm you would always yap about how it had no heat

[vast onyx]

Loading gold is like a 10% improvement in performance from wherever you start

[pulsar python]

is there a reason to play the TV4202 now now that action ten has a 330pen 420alpha heat round

[fast tapir]

It is a crutch, because when you take it away, suddenly a bunch of players legit cannot even do any damage. Take away prem, the best players are still the best players

[left stratus]

Bruh it gets premium 510 hesh....what are you smoking???

[pulsar python]

its only 210 pen

[vast onyx]

Doesn’t help pen stuff

[oak granite]

thats why i dont like that tank 😂 i am still doing 5.4k combined

[pulsar python]

look man I know reading is hard but like dang

[left stratus]

Always does damage.....🤦‍♂️
Except for the most armored of tanks

[pulsar python]

a non pen doing 120 damage mind you

[vast onyx]

Hey man that’s 1k dpm

[oak granite]

Hello AKO AKO HE does always damge XD

[left stratus]

Thank you for admitting it

[pulsar python]

OMG thats so much dpm

[fast tapir]

I got 65% winrate all time in the FV4202, I think I can say I'm better than average even without prem APCR/HEAT

[vast onyx]

It means if you’re good it’ll make you a lot better and if you’re bad it’ll make you a little better. Doesn’t change the skill of the player. Good players are still good

[left stratus]

But it doesn't have 210 pen......I will just keep fact checking every single one of you

[left stratus]

But the inverse of that is they wouldn't be as good like you just said

[vast onyx]

Take prem away, good players are still a lot better than bad players

[oak granite]

Premium Hesh does have 210 Pen are you smoking but i did not say that

[fast tapir]

A better player simplying performing better than average in the FV4202, Nemesis TD, or Technodrome destroys your argument ngl

Or any 183

[pulsar python]

I want to buy back my nemesis so badly

but its so baddddddddd dude

like literally one of the worst tier tens I had spent money on

[oak granite]

in tanks like the grille or bat chat i fire 90 % standard ammo. How can that be if premium ammo is auto win ?

[pulsar python]

@oak granite premium heat rounds are a miserable thing

it actually requires you bring standard cause Russian tanks

[hollow vigil]

I would venture to say taking premium ammo away would further the divide between good and bad players, because good players have to know how to stretch the minimal penetration. Know every weak spot and overmatch angle. Don't get me wrong, premium helps get more damage, but I feel as if it's a crutch to some bad players

[oak granite]

i know that but dont tell @left stratus

[fast tapir]

Anyways

Back to talking about auto aim

[pulsar python]

true we did derail

[oak granite]

no auto aim is great !
it reduces the Gold shells i instantly receive when being spotted

[manic bay]

They should just reduce the accuracy when auto aiming tbh and I think everyone would be happy

[fast tapir]

I want reduced accuracy during any form of movement

[hoary oxide]

@oak granite If you are instantly getting shot your prolly In a bad spot

[left stratus]

I know heat is not the best ammo type and all you copium huffing uni's despise it but i gotta say its super fair just obliterating type 5 with jag e 100 heat....😬

[pulsar python]

99% ur actually moving into position

[left stratus]

Are you mad @vast onyx said the truth and I was right?

[fast tapir]

Again, better players performing better than you in tanks that don't get high pen prem legit just proves you wrong

[left stratus]

But I'll get back on topic after my hard fought discussion there

[fast tapir]

You should reread what Nate said... Slowly lol

[left stratus]

You should because he literally said youd be worse without it....

Now auto lock changing has made the type 74s even more wonky

[vast onyx]

That’s obvious to everybody…

Higher pen = better

[pulsar python]

unless its heat

[hoary oxide]

@pulsar python Don't get me wrong but if your moving how you getting shot by auto aim is it leading shots now

[tacit nova]

Can you guess who is who?

[pulsar python]

its doing what now
dont belive it
but got dang that really is a crutch button then

[fast tapir]

#1419994669676367944 message

You pointing out an obvious fact everyone agrees upon does not support your side

[pulsar python]

anyways omma gonna watch demon slayer movie now good luck @fast tapir @vast onyx

[left stratus]

Apparently not they aren't as smart as you

[tacit nova]

More like normal - good and this is only affecting the bad and the ones that never learned how to play, let's be honest here. Normal player aim normally.

[oak granite]

just 3 shots showing its bad

[tacit nova]

Want to know the funny part?
We were messing around as comrades XD

[tacit nova]

Any tank, all of them.

[tacit nova]

I have a better one, the one training with the good gear and the elitist that thing are better and don't need it 😉

[left stratus]

If you all dont need it dont use it.....

[tacit nova]

That right there is elitism and gatekeeping and on nothing.
Lets be honest i always see you arguing about this, and is your own problem mate.

[tough elm]

This auto aim sistem is verry good , way better then before

[left stratus]

Also that's me pointing out type 74 and active suspension reticle are poorly implemented

[vast onyx]

Im refuting your argument btw so idk how smart you think you are

[tacit nova]

Nah remember they give you extra hit points and magic aim.

[left stratus]

Its not though its all you subjecting the entire player base to that lvl of copium

[left stratus]

By making my points for me?

[tacit nova]

You are literally the one that is pointing at us and screaming, what did you expect?
you wanted this...

[left stratus]

I wanted you all to acknowledge you dont like fair games....

[manic bay]

I know how to play and got a decent WN8. It’s affecting it now though as I use it to help spot shootable targets

[vast onyx]

Prem doesn’t make anyone good

[left stratus]

You literally said it makes you 10% better 🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️

[vast onyx]

10% of 0 is 0

[oak granite]

Dude just try using it and after 3 months you still wont be a great player

[tacit nova]

I once did a challenge where i used my Tier 6 Sherman with no premium ammo, no commander, no equipment and basic consumables and still came on top of a tier 8 match, showed the results and he still got mad, there is no use discussing with him, he sees himself as a legendary hero for not using what everyone else uses.

[left stratus]

At least you know basic math. But by that logic someone would literally have to do nothing.
You admitted the truth and now you are trying to talk your way out of a hole you dug yourself

[left stratus]

Bruh it literally says great right there

[vast onyx]

Oof

[fast tapir]

Now scroll down, filter by tier 10

[stiff lynx]

I can't believe we are acting shocked that bringing an additional ammo type that is good in a different situation and using it accordingly would allow you to do better 😔

[tacit nova]

I will use it more just so you hate me more.

[bright ginkgo]

Really not an improvement - not enjoyable gameplay but maybe extend the auto aim range to 400 m and try that - a good compromise

[vast onyx]

If someone is bad and does low damage, prem doesn’t make them good

[left stratus]

Yes the tier i play the least of and the tier that is filled with the copium i dont use and wont sink to that lvl

[vast onyx]

“It’s too easy, I refuse” lol

[fast tapir]

The tier that is the best metric of skill 🤷‍♂️

CW inflates everything

[left stratus]

Are you sure? you said it makes you 10% better....

[pulsar python]

cold war main

[vast onyx]

10% of 0 is 0

[tacit nova]

Yeah me too, that is one of the ways i sued it, to see if a tank is showing enough to move the cannon onto him, but is not the end of the world if i can't because no one can XD fair is fair.

[oak granite]

hm win rate is not great hightier is not great either i dont know about cold war if that is good or not tbh

[fast tapir]

CW inflates it so no, it's not good lol

[vast onyx]

Don’t stat shame guys

[fast tapir]

He did first 🤷‍♂️

[ornate grove]

I’m not playing this week as a protest to this ridiculous change. This just completely ruined the game for me!

[left stratus]

Its the tier filled with the most copium and the tier where what tank you play matters the most.

[pulsar python]

https://tenor.com/view/star-wars-gif-24582703

[vast onyx]

So every tier

[oak granite]

he was showing just a part so spreading disinformation so just bringing it into light

[left stratus]

Yeah me with my great wn8 with no training wheels

[fast tapir]

Arguing with you is a lost cause

[vast onyx]

Add 10% to yours and take 10% off of pidgeon’s and compare the numbers

[left stratus]

I love that you portray your with that pig so often it represents you perfectly

[left stratus]

You do realize that it shows I've played no 10s right? Just stock 9s

[fast tapir]

There is a gap of a couple 1000

[vast onyx]

Obviously

[fast tapir]

It's just funny is all

[stark void]

Try to keep it civil and on topic please 🙂

[fast tapir]

Anyways, I approve of the auto aim test. Very nice

[fast tapir]

Are you 340, cause we love you HEAT

[stark void]

i identify as HEAT Mk. 1 with 110mm of pen, Bonus points if you know which gun that is 😄

[left stratus]

Look man some people dont want to hear the truth. The auto lock test seems good to me. The only thing that's annoying is siege mode tanks have the problem of reticle shift cause you control the camera not the gun. The change affects them pretty hard from what ive experienced. There was also another thread about the stickyness and how's its inconsistent which should be addressed

[wind coyote]

Tasty sherman

[pulsar python]

word dont want it being locked

[pastel snow]

I love this test fase. Ive the feeling I can react when Im spotted and dont get hit by someone snapshotting with hesh. People now have to think before they can shoot and not just use rbrt.
I hope they remove auto lock all together to reduce yoloing as well.

[tacit nova]

This me

[tacit nova]

No daaaad no fair, he started it XD

[fast tapir]

Bam just confirmed on stream that more shots are being aimed in and not autolocked, suggesting that yes, the increased hit % could be due to people aiming in more

[cunning ocean]

And now your being hit more who would have guessed.....

[tacit nova]

KB lumberjack skin

[fast tapir]

Being hit more isn't an issue if people are aiming

[tacit nova]

https://tenor.com/view/thumbs-up-manly-gif-20008788

[cunning ocean]

Waiting on complaints for them now hitting more.

[fast tapir]

I'd rather consistency and getting hit more than that odd nonsensical 180 degree snap shot

[cunning ocean]

You mean the snap shot that misses 60% of the time and actually helping you stay alive longer?

[fast tapir]

It shouldn't hit, like ever.

Accuracy should be more rewarding, aimed accuracy

[tacit nova]

Sometimes i did some random snapshooting and made shots that even i said to myself, well that was BS i penned that

[cunning ocean]

The devs stated that it was more on the missing side

[craggy wren]

For me this change isn’t about snap shooting, I don’t mind aiming. But, for what ever reason, i simply cannot find and get on target nfurther targets to shoot at in any timeframe that keeps me from getting killed quickly. So i end up staying way back or just yolo in to get close to use auto aim. Just doesn’t work for me and i don’t know why.

[thin shell]

I think they will release it with actual outlines, just now you cant auto lock unless you are on target, but you should be able to see the outline if the tank is not in cover

I think thst will be the ideal implementation

[tacit nova]

@left stratus Look mom no hands, no auto aim past 200m

[oak granite]

finished my STRV 103B yesterday was great not getting autoaimed when getting spotted but i had to carry a few ppl without consumables

[tacit nova]

Holy! hard carry mate! 👍

[pulsar python]

RAHHH

PLUS ONE minus one TIME to pull out my double barrel 703 black

e25 during these times should mean always fighting 6s unless they tweaked it

[tacit nova]

I have to do the T-32 A proto for the Free XP

[pulsar python]

I tank i always wanted to buy but always skipped due to the turret armor

[tacit nova]

Is worth because of the free XP earn

[left stratus]

You were a big 8 on good LT map good job

[left stratus]

Who knew being invisible was op

[tacit nova]

Thanks! anytime.

[tacit nova]

LOL you Jelly

https://tenor.com/view/power-rangers-dino-fury-jealous-jealous-much-jealosuy-gif-23388021

[left stratus]

He was literally an invisible tank with a straight gold rack and 3 premium consumables
Not jelly just sick and tired of someone preaching skill when that's their loadout

[tacit nova]

And he carried the game like a CHAD

https://tenor.com/view/mujikcboro-seriymujik-gif-24361533

[left stratus]

Simp much?

[tacit nova]

Yes i am his #1 fan XD

[left stratus]

You people truly sicken me

[fast tapir]

But atleast we win games

[tacit nova]

You have no idea how happy that makes me

[blazing hinge]

You are the greatest of all SchildMESSER. If I was half as great as you, i would also complain all the time and post other peoples stats. Let the great players argue till they get what they want.

[tacit nova]

https://tenor.com/view/what-a-lovely-day-nux-mad-max-fury-road-this-is-a-beautiful-day-nicholas-hoult-gif-11703306344117134384

[oak granite]

dude would you have won that with the same loadout ? Yes or NO

[oak granite]

thanks if u want an autograph is only 15€ 🖖 by the way he postet his stats and did not show them whole on purpose so i just showed his disinformation

[left stratus]

I bought the premium cheese wedge with free xp its not hard to be invisible....

[left stratus]

Yeah me proving my wn8 with evidence is disinformation 🤡
Real rich posting my stats on 10s when I had played no 10s....yeah im the one guilty of disinformation.

[white shard]

What quality of life initiatives? This is no quality of life. Remove it.

Remove this dumb test. Fix your tanks.

Do not remove a game mechanic many of us have been using since inception

[left stratus]

Would you settle for a toned down auto aim?

[fading hollow]

After five days of testing, I wouldn't mind this becoming a permanent feature.

[pulsar python]

how many excuses do you have

[left stratus]

Just a fact or 2 or 3. He literally showed his loadout of straight copium....

[pulsar python]

you have 1500 wn8 and ww2 and ur stats are only inflated by cold war please sit this entire discussion out

its clear you have zero idea what ur talking about when it comes to skill premium rounds and auto aim

[left stratus]

On the contrary I think youre mad cause I know exactly how it works and how its being used as a crutch.

Did you know @oak granite has never played CW?

[pulsar python]

yes and his far better than you
also you dont even own a 103b

[cyan blade]

https://tenor.com/view/skeleton-gif-13148928981517710530

[left stratus]

I literally said that

I only have the premium one I got on free xp

[pulsar python]

so why are you talking like you know how the tank works

[left stratus]

Because I have the tier 8 premium version that plays the exact same

[pulsar python]

hell you barely even manage to do 1k damage in it

so clearly you dont know the key sniping positions nor do you have the knowledge to put the camo and dpm to use

[left stratus]

Yeah my mistake was moving forward and only have 4 commander slots once i got full camo it became very apartment how boring it was

[pulsar python]

here we go with excuses on why you sucked in it

[left stratus]

Do you not want me to explain and use facts? I use to be horrible at this game. Then I learned to play. Then I learned how much copium gets huffed. Replay just makes me sad now

[pulsar python]

actually lemme go scatter off cause in talking to a geuine brick wall

[left stratus]

Didn't you say that earlier then came back immediately cause you couldn't stand losing an argument to facts

[pulsar python]

no

now you are just making stuff up lmao thats crazy work

[wispy gorge]

Be careful of the new aim may cause losing some new players, I remember a year and half ago when I just got into this game, with zero knowledge and experience, I die instantly and none or 200 damage almost every game for the first month, it made me no more interested to play and wanted to delete game , then I found auto lock function, I used it on every target and made some more damage (still under 1k),it gained me some interest to continue playing,after a couple of months , I then learned the penetration are much more reliable if zoom in to shoot after lock target, and this is what I have been doing since then

[worldly blaze]

That says more about you

[left stratus]

So you didn't say that?

[left stratus]

Sorry I used evidence

[tacit nova]

Now try holding the RB button, scan the environment with free camera movement, and when you see a target at a long distance, let go of the button and lead your reticle into the target, then aim and zoom.

Pro tip, start the game with your gun always looking forward by holding RB/R1 and look around you, and if you need to look forward tap the aim button fast and your camera will center you again.

Give a man a fish VS teach him how to fish stuff...

[left stratus]

Yeah turret lock is kinda important i must agree😆

[chilly seal]

What if we just get rid of auto aim. I'm tired of losing games because the last guy alive on my team doesn't aim an on rbrt.

[hybrid fjord]

If you bothered to look at things before getting instantly offended you’d see Liszt and I are in the same clan. He’s super uni

It’s called joking and banter

[keen viper]

Yes we both are super uni and together

[hybrid fjord]

Meat Dongus doesn’t realise that there are tanks in this game that have to fight tier 10’s. Imagine this tank only had access to standard rounds , it’s barely enough to penetrate tier 7’s. Even the premium shells suck. But at least gives you a chance at doing damage lol

[keen viper]

We make jokes at eachother

[hybrid fjord]

But sure let’s remove gold ammo that’ll definitely balance the game better

[keen viper]

Have you ever played snake bite? Required to fire prem because there are tier 4s you wouldn't even be able to pen

[hybrid fjord]

Way back in the day yeah lol

[keen viper]

It has 91 pen

Sub 100 pen at tier 6. Absolutely sad

[hybrid fjord]

They don’t even play remotely the same

You can brawl in a 103b. Good luck doing that in the tier 8 🤣

[hybrid fjord]

Just aim for weakspots bro

[tacit nova]

https://tenor.com/view/dumb-ways-to-die-gif-8355604

[hybrid fjord]

Also did this dude say that a Maus has a cupola earlier?

[keen viper]

There is no physical way to pen a VK100p with sub 100 pen. And you will face those

[left stratus]

Yeah you get the armor i know but they generally play the same. My buddy had it. It get to brawl cause most people are too dumb to HE

[hybrid fjord]

Where is Maus cupola?

[left stratus]

It does have one

[hybrid fjord]

https://tenor.com/view/laugh-spit-drink-gif-15962434655473821932

That image quite clearly shows it doesn’t, but okay

[left stratus]

You literally just sent a picture of it....

[keen viper]

Where bud

[hybrid fjord]

Where? Those two things on top of the turret are not hit boxes

[keen viper]

Those are called modules. You probably didn't know that tho

Those are unpenned and have 0 armor

[left stratus]

Yes they in fact are weakspots and do get penned

[hybrid fjord]

That’s a cupola that big huge green thing 🤣

[left stratus]

It is more accurate to call it a view port though

[keen viper]

Bro knows nothing about the game. You can tell by his stats

[hybrid fjord]

Quite literally says “no damage” if you shoot those things on the Maus turret

[left stratus]

Bruh cause you are using tank.gg with outdated damage models

[keen viper]

Bro we have thw same moduels. Admit your wrong. I would test in game but im outa town

[left stratus]

I have the maus and have shot the maus in that spot and it gives damage

[hybrid fjord]

Bro has a Temu Maus

[left stratus]

When im wrong I'll happily admit it but im not

[left stratus]

Been temu maus since avre🫠🫠🫠

[hybrid fjord]

Again where? They’re not even modelled into the tank

[keen viper]

No you haven't

[left stratus]

Yes i have

[keen viper]

Thats ingame so thats right

[tacit nova]

https://tenor.com/view/batman-thinking-gif-18107621495886085895

[hybrid fjord]

Yup the secondary gun is the least armoured and last modelled thing of the Maus

[keen viper]

Hesh maybe. But nothing with a full pen. So please stop trying to defend your point

[hybrid fjord]

They’re quite literally not hitboxes even the game shows that

[keen viper]

You cant pen somthin thats not there

[hybrid fjord]

A FV4005 or deathstar firing AP however can overmatch the Maus turret roof because they have 3x the caliber of gun compared to the 60mm of roof armour a Maus has

Those are the only tanks that can damage a Maus from the roof plate. They aren’t penetrating those non existent cupolas and nothing else is either because they’re not modelled

Oh and arty

It’s like saying you can penetrate an AMX M4 54 in these areas. Same thing. They aren’t modelled to take damage. Only HE will deal damage by splashing, not penetrating

[left stratus]

Look man I have shot a maus there and been shot through their. Unless the damage model has changed in recent months. I stopped played my maus cause it was just a gold magnet getting shot by dirt

[left stratus]

Same thing the weird side hatch thing on chieftain and machine i know those give no damage but that view port on maus is or was real
I literally experienced it 1st hand

[fast tapir]

Must suck, I got like 70% winrate in the Maus 💪

[hybrid fjord]

Also

Ghee I sure would love this game without gold ammo

[hybrid fjord]

That would be your reality. Nobody being able to penetrate anyone if they weren’t showing their lower plates

What a brilliant experience that would be hey

Blame wargaming for making tanks with no weakspots to standard ammo. Not gold ammo for existing as a hard counter to this

[fast tapir]

An angled 279e looks like that even with prem

[hybrid fjord]

Exactly. People act like gold ammo is just an instant RBRT pen anywhere at the front of a tank

All gold ammo does is mitigate RNG to some degree. You still have to know weakspots of tanks at your tier and the tier below, minimum. Sure you might be able to auto-aim tier 8’s in something like a Ho ri 3, but that’s a +2-2 issue, not a gold ammo issue

[tacit nova]

If you put UV light on the picture is easier to see XD

We been lied to.

[hybrid fjord]

How did I miss this?! It’s so obvious

[tacit nova]

I know we need to tell WG this right now!

[left stratus]

See you said it hard counter no flanking required

[hybrid fjord]

You can’t flank on 3 lane corridor maps. There’s a million camping TD’s waiting to send you back to the garage. You’ll be instantly dead just trying to flank on most maps

[fast tapir]

Enter, the lonely 279e who knows how to mount uphill and become immune

[tacit nova]

Use HE! pling his hitpoints, let him fear you!!!

[left stratus]

Makes you wish you had TV doesn't it. Thats why I think WWII is a stupid game mode but has cool tanks

[hybrid fjord]

It really doesn’t. I don’t use true vision when I play my Cold War credit earners

I get up in your face and spot you using the traditional spotting mechanics so my team mates can shoot spotted tanks and not waste their time trying to look for unspotted ones.

So you can’t hide and snipe, you’ll be spotted traditionally. It’s not like Cold War doesn’t have a spotting system. It’s exactly the same only you can see tanks that aren’t spotted

[left stratus]

So you've never shot an unspotted dude cross map just face hug rb rt gold spam?

[hybrid fjord]

That would hinder my performance if I sat and sniped the whole game and I’d lose more games, and so would my team mates

[left stratus]

The maps aren't built for it really but it is cool to nail that shot when opportunity arises
And what do you you dont use true vision are you like toggling it off in settings or something? Are you not using your eyes, i have no idea what that means

Do you just let wiesels kill you? What does i dont use true vision in cw mean @hybrid fjord ?

[hybrid fjord]

It means exactly what I said, I just don’t use the mechanic. I get forward and spot people the traditional way so they can’t hide and use true vision themselves

[hybrid fjord]

Wiesel’s are stupid tanks and my time is better spent damaging other tanks than looking for wiesels with true vision and maybe hitting them once or twice

If they kill me, so be it. They rarely do though because most Wiesel drivers are terrible

[left stratus]

So you cant use your eyes? Im not saying you should camp im saying you should use your eyes

[hybrid fjord]

My eyes work just fine as evidenced by my 3 marked and gold marked Cold War tanks

Again. Sitting at the back of the map using true vision would lower my win rate, why would I do that?

I’m the person carrying all of my team mates who are using standard consumables and standard ammunition, which already puts our chances at winning down

You said it yourself, most maps aren’t designed for true vision. I didn’t think I’d find something you said that I agree with, but that is correct

[left stratus]

Yeah im uni too in era 1 and 3 with no crutches. I get how to play. Era 2 needs to chill on the mariocarts
Just weird of you too say "I dont use true vision" that made no sense

[hybrid fjord]

What’s makes no sense about it? I literally don’t use it. It’s a hindrance

I can’t put it any more simply than that. I use the traditional spotting mechanics that Cold War still uses on top of TV

Players can’t sit still and use true vision when I spot them and my team mates are pummelling them

[left stratus]

Like it's a innate mechanic of the game you cant not use it unless you close your eyes

[hybrid fjord]

You can easily chose not to use it, by playing on the front lines and spotting tanks

I shoot what is directly in front of me. That’s not using TV

Cold War still uses sixth sense I don’t know if you ever noticed

[left stratus]

I dont think you comprehend what you are saying. Like I know what you mean but you sound so dumb right now

[hybrid fjord]

It’s not my problem you can’t understand kindergarten explanations of how I play the game

I drive forward, I spot tank, I shoot tank. That isn’t using true vision. They’re spotted

[left stratus]

So how many dudes have you gold spammed into oblivion while face hugging?

[hybrid fjord]

https://tenor.com/view/buzz-no-signs-of-intelligent-life-gif-13481205

@keen viper you will enjoy this

[craggy stag]

To be fair. His name is dingus.

[left stratus]

Yall can try and hate me as much as you want i know how you play is brain dead ez

[hybrid fjord]

Billions and billions

[left stratus]

Come answer the question how many games in a row you went into battle with 3 premium consumables and gold in the rack?

[cerulean flicker]

this was the least interesting offtopic conversation I've read in a while. Meat Dingus is deliberately misconstruing as many statement as possible - y'all know that right? Like, they aren't even trying to argue a point beyond being butthurt premium ammo exists and just move the goal posts around..

on topic, lack of ranged auto-lock definitely points out that I am strait up terrible with light tanks. Just awful. But I am warming up to it in general.

[hybrid fjord]

Prolly ai tbh nobody can be that deliberately obtuse

[left stratus]

Thank you for reading but im not misconstruing any of their statements. Im calling them out for being gold spamming trash cans who dont like fair games.

[left stratus]

You're at 43k battles how many you went in huffing maximum copium?

[keen viper]

I cant deal with this guy anymore

Im done man. Cant educate people thay dont want to be educated

[hybrid fjord]

For the first 8000 games I fired nothing but gold. Guess what? It didn’t make me better

[keen viper]

He was a sh**er

[hybrid fjord]

I used to be so bad bro you wouldn’t believe when I first started

Gold ammo didn’t help me at all

Maybe 10% like Nate said. Which if you’re 1000 wn8 starting out that’s 1100 wn8. Basically no difference

[left stratus]

Ok we're getting somewhere. I too was bad at the game once didn't know anything. But you guys are lying to yourselfs if you think you need gold

[craggy stag]

Would make sense. The one time I found dingus he did play like a bot.

Poor man was in an open field firing at something. Didn't even move when I hit him with a missile

[left stratus]

It still made the game easier and required less skill

[left stratus]

Yeah t 10 b was rough but if I remember correctly I was already vastly outnumbered

[hybrid fjord]

Oh he one of them 😭. I feel sorry for those players. Like how do you not notice the giant explosion on your screen and minus 1.3k hit points

[hybrid fjord]

It didn’t. You know what made the game easier? Learning weakspots and learning the maps. Because gold doesn’t allow you to penetrate any tank anywhere

[hybrid fjord]

As I’ve already proven

[cerulean flicker]

gold rounds may make it easier to cause damage, but they won't help you if you just flat suck at the rest of the game. Using premium ammo isn't "playing unfairly"

[craggy stag]

Actually played the T-10B recently. Its bad. But not as bad as I was expecting.

[left stratus]

Bruh you literally just said it made you 10% better make up your f****** mind

[hybrid fjord]

It made my stats slightly better, it didn’t make the game easier until I actually understood the core mechanics, which you clearly don’t because you think you can pen a hull down IS4 or IS7 with gold

[left stratus]

Slow inaccurate and paper then you get t80 and it gets wild

[craggy stag]

I don't actually use premium that much. Mostly because my brain treats it as a rare item in some RPG that I may not get for a while. So it just sits. Until I find something thats worth of it. (The only things worthy will be a Type 5 or a maus)

[left stratus]

What a contradictory statement

[craggy stag]

Technically everyone has access to it. Which makes it pretty fair.

[left stratus]

At least you aren't like these guys only shooting gold thank you

[hybrid fjord]

If you suck with standard ammo, you’ll still suck with gold. There’s nothing else to it

[cerulean flicker]

how? if you can't flank, can't defend, don't know when to back out and lure enemies into line of fire, or understand how pack tactics work just being able to penetrate easier ins't going to help you

let me guess, you think everyone should just rush into a scrum in the middle of the map and punch each other in the face...

[hybrid fjord]

No that’s the opposite of what he thinks

He’s a Cold War bot farmer so he thinks everyone should sit and snipe 800m across the map using the true vision mechanic

Anyone that drives to the front line (you know, exactly where you should be taking heavy tank), is a no skill gold spammer according to him

The irony being premium shells in Cold War are mostly APFSDS, same as the standard rounds, so you can’t even tell based off the game visuals that they’re firing premium at all. They might have just hit your weak spot with standard ammo, you literally have no way of knowing

Not like WW2 where apcr shells are red, heat is white, etc etc. But even then, a lot of WW2 tanks have apcr as standard and premium shells 🤣

[cerulean flicker]

that's even worse...

[craggy stag]

Tbf. CW heavies are weird. The speed makes some of them play like mediums.

[keen viper]

Gold ammo does not make you better. I she sh**ers fire full gold and do less than 1k. Littlerly means nothing. I could fire full standards and do 10k but I dont. I have the money for full prem

[hybrid fjord]

Wait till this guy finds out the T72 tanks can all be turret penned with standard rounds

[keen viper]

Hate the game now the player. I will always fire full gold. Nothing stops me either

[hybrid fjord]

https://tenor.com/view/golden-boi-gold-f3v3r-gif-25055048

[cerulean flicker]

I load 25% gold ammo for when I just feel I need the extra oomf, does that make me only 25% a trash player?

[craggy stag]

I will hate the player when the player has sat in the back and drained exactly 3% of the enemies hit points total

[hybrid fjord]

10% luck, 20% skill, 25% concentrated power of gold spam

[cerulean flicker]

the last 45% is marshmallows

[hybrid fjord]

My thoughts about auto aim though hmmm…. We got a little sidetracked there didn’t we

Great for me and other amazing players. Never been easier to club bad players

Don’t think it’s a good thing for the majority of the casual playerbase left though because of that disparity

People will say “it’s not hard to aim”, but we can’t all be super uni sweats can we. I remember when I was a casual noob when I first started out, I understand their frustrations with this test

[cerulean flicker]

removing any kind of in game assistance will always up the difficulty of the game in general, and alongside that increase the barrier of entry.

I feel like they coul introduce a WW1 mode withTier1 & 2 tanks that keeps the full auto-aim function, a kind of training ground

[keen viper]

I agree fully. Only makes the skill difference from bad and good players larger

Good players will excel more than ever while bad players will be worse than ever

[hybrid fjord]

Which is what the accuracy changes will do as well

Only by leaving auto aim in, you give casuals a fighting chance

[keen viper]

Yes this is exactly what ive been trying to express

[hybrid fjord]

I guess we don’t fit the usual “git gud scrub” super uni club by saying this

Does that make us sh*tters?

[keen viper]

Wargamming please read what we wrote above. This is my and quackys opinion on all this

[keen viper]

Maybe😳

[hybrid fjord]

It’s always best to look at these things objectively imo

Expecting casuals to put time and effort into improving is unrealistic. A lot don’t have the time for that, or the reflexes, or the eyesight

And some just straight up don’t want to which is also fine

[cerulean flicker]

I'm an average player which means my matches will switch between feeling like a god and feeling like a scrub.... depending on how many bots are in there

[keen viper]

Yes also there are older players who play who need this kinda stuff.

Bottom line for me. Nerf accuracy and it will be balanced. Auto aim was not very good before 6.0.

[tacit nova]

That is happening when the big update comes

[cerulean flicker]

am I getting a little better without auto aim? yeah, probably. But I only have so much interest so that skill increase will plateau quickly

[bold crag]

Came to hopefully see the news that they just canceled this test… guess they didn’t. Still the same handful in here badgering folks that are seriously fixing to quit a game they love. I’ve seen games come and go with major changes that the whiners wanted. This game will undoubtedly suffer from a loss of players. Then it’s just boy city. Gosh I hate bots. Anyway see yall Tuesday to see how things are. Don’t worry though I’ll jump in for Halloween maps. I dig those. Peace

[woven brook]

its okay to admit you cope with the auto aim ❤️

[winged thicket]

One message removed from a suspended account.

[ocean beacon]

If actually managed to auto lock into a target over 200m I constantly lose lock on the tank. CW, light bushes, only moving forward and backward 1/2 a tank length.

[tacit nova]

I smell... sniff* sniff* i smell the weakness.

I feel frustration

I see ignorance.

I hear nonsense.

I taste... Evil

https://tenor.com/view/plankton-lick-gif-24816298

[tacit nova]

My guess is that when the big update comes the amount of complains is going to be nuts.

[south idol]

It wont be when tbe equipment/skill changes go live

[hybrid fjord]

Well sh*t that’s all about to go out the window with the permanent accuracy and equipment changes

[distant loom]

Agree. I’m an older player. So, I will have to find another game. WOT is supposed to be a game. We don’t have five man crews playing the game all together, ok, yeah, ten fingers and two hands, but only one brain, so we need some automation or functionality in the game. With that said, I miss the ability to use the auto aim to (1) select and (2) track an enemy tank and only those within (3) range, while also allowing me to (4) maneuver without losing the target. So select, track and maneuver all at once, but not (5) shoot. I prefer manual aiming for shooting. As is, players will likely camp. I know I will rather camp than getting killed getting to that 200 m mark. Perhaps add the function back as a skill for destroyers, and I will just play those.

[hybrid fjord]

It’s just a temporary test until Tuesday, and then the game goes back to normal

[keen viper]

I doubt it will stay man. Things will go back to normal Tuesday

But I hear ya. Im 16 and have good eyesight and everything but I know theres players that dont. Gotta accommodate the majority and meet in the middle

[distant loom]

“represent” 🙏

[keen viper]

Ive been trying to voice myself here. Got banned yesterday for it😂

[distant loom]

Welcome back then and glad everyone here shares my view… there is also a concern for equity among tanks. Seems destroyers and autoloaders would benefit from the change. With autoloading, I would empty entire clip once I get a target.

Other tanks would be disadvantaged if that makes sense

[keen viper]

Alot of the good players dont care cause they dont need it. Even tho im a super uni i still know it will only make it easier to farm less good players. Not good for the game

The difference between good and bad players will only increase aswell

[hybrid fjord]

Yup

Right now it feels straight up unfair I can’t lie. It’s so easy

[keen viper]

Its ez farms for me. My first game in sfac i did 7.5k. They were helpless. I just sat at the back and farmed

Not really fair. Also this makes mouse and keyboard OP here.

[hybrid fjord]

I’ve done 10k damage twice this week at tier 10. It’s silly. Last time I did 10k was like 5 months ago

[keen viper]

Its alot easier now

[tall bone]

It looks like about a 50-50 split here, even wider opposition on Reddit & Twitter but not by much. That said the majority of those who don't like this change say that they would sadly be forced to leave the game because it's not a skill issue but a vision or age issue. Many of us came to WoT Console because it was a haven for older players & not a twitch shooter. We wanted a slower game with the RB & crutches we have stayed for those reasons as well. WG. Staff it's ok that you ignore/Ghost me but you darn well know that here & on Twitter I speak for a decent group of casual players & run an Xbox club with over 1K members who play this game. This is not a positive change by most of those not all but most. Do you really want to take the chance of chasing off the over 50 players in the hope that some new people might come play an almost 12 year old F2P game?

[tacit nova]

What change?

[keen plover]

The change in auto aim ?

[tacit nova]

There is no change is just a 1 week test.

Given our feedback WG will continue from there, so they will adjust for something balanced.

[tall bone]

There's a reason for a test...

[tacit nova]

Next Week there is going to be the +1/-1 Test to see how the Match maker works and how hapy we are with it.

[tall bone]

That's not what this thread is about though

[tacit nova]

Yes, but we don't know what the outcome will be, the best way to help WG and hel ourselves is with good feedback.

[tacit nova]

Nope, just FYI.

[tall bone]

Which is exactly what I gave

[tacit nova]

Breathe and be nice*
I know, thanks for your participation.
i hope WG takes in consideration all our opinions, worries and feedback.

[hybrid fjord]

Yeah right

They’re bringing back +1-1 because they lost a load of players with this auto aim “test” I bet

I’ve never seen such an act of desperation for player retention

How long has it been now we haven’t had anything +1-1 related? Over a year and a half easily

Why bring it back now for “testing”? Makes no sense. Like the last 4 tests they did weren’t enough with all of the positive feedback

The feedback last time for every test was that most people wanted it, but we didn’t have the playerbase for it apparently. We don’t now. So it makes no sense at all why they’re testing it again after all this time. It should have been permanent years ago

[tacit nova]

To be honest i don't know why they are doing this test either, as i said before why do this if later they are going to nerf accuracy anyway.

[tacit nova]

mmm Could be.

[hybrid fjord]

I don’t see any other reason why this is returning after all the time, when we got told we would never have this due to a lack of players

At least tier 8 will be fun again for a week XDD

[wispy flame]

Yesterday was playing a game where mediums like Progetto 65 and TDs like Jagdtiger were trying to brawl up front 😂😂

No wonder they were blasted in the first few minutes of the game

[tacit nova]

Gonna be honest no, idea but is possible, the reason i don't just agree right away is because i am being cautious about it.

[tacit nova]

High risk/high reward XD

[wispy flame]

Auto aim doesn’t work so stealthy mediums which earlier used to take flanking positions or at the back sniping can’t make those many shots pen as and when the opportunity presents.

Anyways I have not played any medium, light or stealthy TD. Only been playing Super Conqueror and enjoying it. 😀 😀

Ride the ridge line like a king plus can be a decent side scraper 😀

I believe one more issue is the premium spam. Since it’s moved from Gold to Silver buy we have almost every player packing gold and firing. You’ve got 340 heat pen with auto aim. Turret rings are 300 or thereabouts. More often than not auto aimed shots will pen through the turret rings unless angled.

[tacit nova]

Yeah i pretty much seen a 60/40 on this on "We like it" / "We hate it", personally i am at an impasse because of the big update anyway, so... yeah

https://tenor.com/view/herejes-gif-gif-10029556053418542365

[wispy flame]

You move back to premiums being bought for gold and the premium span will stop and auto aimed shots won’t pen. Then people will be forced to use standard ammo and aim for the weak spots.

[tacit nova]

Yes... but when you are in a tier 8 and you face a Maus, E100 or Type 5, you don't want to miss those Prem rounds,

[wispy flame]

Super heavies will also get a say in the game. At the moment as soon as one sees E100 or Type 5 in the opposition one loads premium and that poor chap is taken to the cleaners

MM needs to be +1/-1. Plus Tier 8 premium is also useless against super heavies of Tier 10

[hybrid fjord]

Without premium ammo, those superheavies become completely overpowered

So how do you balance it?

A type 5 can shoot you with the derp high explosive gun anywhere, but if you didn’t have premium rounds you only have the cupola to aim for

He can shoot you anywhere though and do 400-500 dmg without aiming

[wispy flame]

That’s the weak spot given to us. And I believe the HE of Type 5 has been nerfed

Plus arty takes care of the super heavies and they have limited areas where they can play in on the map

Else their sides and backs are easy targets

Games should be balanced to allow for each tank and each play style. For the lights, mediums, heavies and super heavies and arty as well.

[tacit nova]

https://tenor.com/view/uy-rick-y-morty-rick-gif-17284430321756151466

[wind coyote]

Nope. In fact it was buffed a while back

Was taken from 900 to 1300

[cunning ocean]

I don't remember this....

[wind coyote]

2s I'll find it

[tacit nova]

https://tenor.com/view/time-to-party-dance-alarm-clock-gif-14649382

[cunning ocean]

Correction I found it , he went from 1100-1300

I don't remember this tank being updated in 2022...

[wind coyote]

Yeah, it was. Caused some problems because that was around when the GUN meta was just kicking off

Sorry yeah I stand corrected on the alpha

I'm just hoping that with the upcoming equipment, skill and consumable changes that meta will be killed, set on fire and dumped into the crater on death valley

[charred stag]

Second day for testing the change. I'm still in favor of the change. Makes it feel more like Old WoT before 6.0. I'm thoroughly enjoying myself.

[oak summit]

35 🤮 56 👍 is not 50/50 mate.

And seconnd.. the so called older guys who wanted a slower game playing now Cold War what is the fastest mode ever. 😂

[charred stag]

Can I be honest... the whole reaction time thing hardly makes sense. This most affect aiming at a distance which if we are all being honest... we should be doing anyways. Being able to lock on and shoot in half a second across the map on a target is not a reaction time thing.

[oak summit]

Not sure… I noticed more players in the queue this week at prime time EU.

[oak granite]

Reaction time and eyesight are excuses the enemy is spotted his name is glowing read you just have to look at him now and aim.
Ofc it takes a bit longer but it also takes longer for you to get shot you have to put a Minimum of effort in it. It is intended to make the game slower so people dont rush open field and give those autoaim shot left right and center.
I bet you are bringing a lot of players back with that change and it compensates for those who say they will leave (they wont it takes like 2-3 weeks for them to adapt).

[ocean beacon]

From the WG stream "" it's something that's moving in the right direction but like I said we are very aware of the accessibility concerns. This is something many players rely on, not just for the snapshots, but just to even align your your barrel and your target uh align your barrel to your target. So then you can transition into manual and sniper aiming. I want to make that very clear like we want to make sure that that still remains present uh and important to those that that's the adopted game style that you guys have always played"

[oak granite]

dont forget the rest where he talks about it being to strong on fights over distance so they will tune it down for snapshots across the maps and want to keep it only in close quarters

[blazing hinge]

You just have to look with your bad eyesight! You can play the drums If your arm fall off, but i can not.

[signal pasture]

YES, totally agree

[blazing hinge]

Same for mee. If they removed auto-aim from 0-200m i would not mind.

[viral beacon]

So will auto aim not be coming back how it was?

[oak granite]

it will on Tuesday

[tranquil atlas]

I still think the best compromise is leave auto aim as it was before the test, but further nerf the sigma when locked on out of sniper mode. With the other accuracy changes, folks can still lock onto a target quickly, but RB/RT would be practically useless at long range. No big or confusing changes to gameplay needed, achieves the desired goal. Keep it simple and consistent.

[oak granite]

Its not only RB RT its the need to aim and overview you need to find targets what needs to get rewarded if you can find and snap onto a target that still takes away 80% of the work you should do shoting on tanks.
But yeah i dont think anyone can convince the opposing side with arguments sadly

[tranquil atlas]

I'm fine with it either way to be honest, I can adapt, but if the change drives players away from the game, I don't see the point. If players can snap onto a target but be forced into using sniper mode to make their shot, I think that's a positive change.

[oak granite]

I hope with all the coming changes which are bringing the Game closer to before 6.0 many retired players will give it a shot also i hope those players outweigh the players who say they will leave ( i doubt that ). WoT Console is still the noob friendliest shooter in regards to aiming

[steep sable]

Its o.k at best , basically u have no technology in yrvtank , they cannot identify threats or aim yr cannon in the general direction of threats , u dont know if the enemy is actually in range or they are behind a boulder , I was sniper by a T72 from 600 meters , I was in a stormer... so it hasn't affected the aiming father bots in coop lol

Its alot of extra work , almost no need for yr info equipment anymore, the tanks are very difficult to spot , and now u have very little help , im pretty sure they're not counting on the human eye to detect threats in modern combat

I think there's a happy middle ground , maybe the cannon should be able to locate and general direction, give fading glimpses so u can at least locate the enemies, it doesn't need to directly lock , a vicinity is good enough, thats an option "maybe a 15 second cool down between vicinity locks

In regards to slowing down the 5 yr old girl soccer team from racing around looking like a bait ball in the ocean, u can't fix that l, just like the bots that need to be 3 ft away to shoot them

[distant loom]

What? Auto-aim cool down so we can lock on targets lurking in camping spots?

[golden talon]

This test is trash! Now CW has more than 1/2 team in Autoloader lights. Drive in run away …. Nice work breaking the game again

[distant loom]

Agree, difficult to do hill down ridge fighting, keep losing your target unless you have an auto loader, right?

[hybrid fjord]

This won’t bring players back if it became permanent. Quite the opposite

You know what would though? +1-1 like players were asking for years to have

[oak granite]

Thats your opinion +1/-1 will only work if we dont get bot lobbies if we do we can burry the game.
I know many players who did quit because of 6.0 and it was getting easy mode i bet quite a few would come back if the game goes towards pre 6.0

[hybrid fjord]

That’s not my opinion. I’m just looking at it from the casual players perspective. They will just play something else

Those players didn’t quit 6.0 because of auto-aim and gun accuracy, they quit because of the radical redesign of the game and UI which looked nothing like pre 6.0

[golden talon]

Nope more will leave if this auto aim gets implemented the way it is.

[oak granite]

ofc its your opinion what will they play if aiming in wotc is too hard WT ? or WoT PC or Blitz no they wont because no shooter is as easy when it comes to aiming like WoTC.
The Ui looked like s... but they quited because game mechanics were altered maps removed accuracy was busted targeted was introduced etc. easy mode it was from now on and CW was introduced so the development progress on ww2 would be only 50% in the future

[hybrid fjord]

They’ll play literally any other game. Let me give you an example from when I was a noob

The spotting system. As much as I hated it and thought it was stupid when I was bad at the game, that’s eventually what got me interested in playing more, learning how it works, then I started to enjoy those mechanics once I had mastered them

If WG had implemented true vision at that time let’s say, way back in 2019 when I first started playing consistently, I would have quit the game and just moved on to other games. Casuals don’t want the core mechanics that have been in since day 1, removed from the game, or the way that they function altered

[oak granite]

you would have moved away because true vision is the easy mode which dont require much thought process = tank permanent open just shot it no thought about view range ect required. (simplified on purpose)
So new player may find it interesting that they can use their right stick for aiming and do better than the average player with it and as much as they may hate it in the beginning (like you did) they will adapt and get better or become the average joe. And this change also benefits them while they may not be able to shot as many tanks as before not every move will get punished in 0.5 sec because many players on the enemy team are as good/bad as they are.

[hybrid fjord]

Nope, I’d have quit because it would have been a radical change to the core spotting mechanics and I don’t like TV. Nothing to do with it being easier, I just don’t like it

If anything the traditional spotting mechanics are easier once you master them.

Very easily exploitable against average players who don’t have the best crews and equipment

As for your last point, the accuracy changes coming will make it so you’re not punished 0.5 seconds after moving.

People will be missing more shots because of that, even with auto aim in the game, because auto aim isn’t the core problem, it’s the accuracy

Watch everyone forget about auto aim once those accuracy changes go live. That’s what people will be talking about

[oak granite]

tell me those shots are ok ? and every 5 yo can do them 0 skill involved just pressing two buttons and RNG.

[hybrid fjord]

This is only possible because of how accurate everything is

Nobody was doing this pre 6.0

A 30b, a mk6 and a grille too lol

Some of the most accurate tanks in game

[oak granite]

no its possible because of autoaim it will happen even after the patch because RNG just gives it you will just get more lucky

[hybrid fjord]

Do it with a 268 or a WZ-113Gft

[oak granite]

oh i did but i dont have footage on them like i said now you hit 7/10 of those shots after patch it will be 5/10 still bs and should not behappening just look to pc autoaim there works like ours in the test

[thin shell]

People sent clips of them doing it e4/e3 which are not considered the most accurate tanks

[oak granite]

here one in the Type 5 skill pur

[hybrid fjord]

wow you auto aimed a tank that wasn’t moving, exactly how auto aim should be used

What if he wasn’t stationary?

[oak granite]

what if pigs could fly ? thats as usefull a question

he was staying still i pressed two buttons and he died i did not even touch the right stick ZERO FREAKING AIM

[hybrid fjord]

The only clip here you’ve shown which proves auto-aim is a problem and not accuracy, is your grille clip because the target was moving a little. All the others were not

If a player is sitting still and getting hit by RBRT that’s a skill issue on their part

[hybrid fjord]

His fault for staying still in the open whilst spotted. Deserved it. He would have gotten hit anyway manually aiming

[wind coyote]

[hybrid fjord]

This is what most people use the auto-aim for. Tell me what would be different in this clip if I didn’t have auto aim at all? Nothing, I’m manually aiming every shot. All the auto aim is doing is keeping my gun locked to my targets direction while I look around my surroundings and at the map

[brittle oyster]

This is exactly on you for being bad at the game 💀

[hybrid fjord]

4k damage to 700 lol

https://tenor.com/view/why-tf-you-lyin-liar-gif-12370861

[hybrid fjord]

Meat dingus would love this clip lol I just got the turret or gun upgrade and forgot to equip all my gold ammo back so I don’t have any

[oak granite]

Its not the point that you can use autoaim for easy shots you could have done manually its those shots i showed in the clip the pta would have made it into cover the Fv probably as well and it would have take actual aiming to kill the light in the Type 5 but with autoaim it does not matter how bad you are just pray to rng and it will work. And why are people deserving to get shot in the open.? People who are using autoaim only are as bad or worse but they deserve to make damage without aiming ?

But we are going in circles here.
You think it will harm the game when this test gets implemented i think it will benefit the game both are opinions and until wg actually implements it we wont know for sure.

[hybrid fjord]

The type 5 shot hit because of accuracy. The target was stationary, same with the 30b shot, Same with the MK6 shot. Accuracy is the only reason you hit those tanks

If you had pre 6.0 accuracy, you wouldn’t have hit any of them. You’d need to manually aim almost everything

But yes I’m more than happy to leave that there if you can’t understand that

[oak granite]

Any kid could have made those shots in a kv 2 with 40km/h COULD is the word. But without autoaim no bad player could have done them

[hybrid fjord]

So he has a chance to hit with RBRT? That’s RNG

Might as well ask wargaming to remove damage RNG too then, because a player with 440 alpha could roll higher than your remaining 500 HP and kill you, and that wouldn’t be fair

[vast onyx]

Most people use auto aim to aim. Good players use it to get targeted and adjust

[hybrid fjord]

Many of the casuals in this thread have stated that they used it for the same reasons we do, they understand it won’t be useful for fast moving targets

That’s why they don’t want it gone

It helps them target and adjust, same as us

[vast onyx]

I just don't get why WG can't just make accuracy twice as bad while autoaiming and leave it

[keen viper]

We dont have the tools for that☝️🤓 - wargamming

Probably what they would say. But maybe if they could that would work

[scenic zephyr]

I'm seeing a lot of "dispersion rate" ideas for distance aiming. I see problems with this. Let's be real, anytime something happens in the game, an influx of "waaahh" posts happens.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not being mean, but it's not possible to please everyone in this game. Several will always complain about a change to core dynamics (even temp ones LIKE AIM TEST THIS WEEK ONLY) and usually threaten to leave the game over it.

"We want PC standards!" Go play PC then. Console wouldn't (at this time) be able to handle all the info/coding required to be similar to PC. It's too much on the processors. Trust. I've never had a game heat up my Xbox and shut it down before until I started playing WoTC. So that's gotta say something already.

For the impaired players (physical, not chemical) I don't know what can be done for y'all if changes made become permanent.

For the rest of you that come here to complain instead of providing legit feedback - read the bulletin first before assuming any changes are permanent when it says "test".

<@&630898404481826887> would it be possible to create a lobby (similar to the event lobbies 7v7 etc) in which these tests can be tried, and marked "Testing Grounds" for anyone to try the tests apart from main game? Or would there be issues with coding/playerbase associated with this?

[charred stag]

Idk about twice as bad but with the upcoming commander and equipment nerfs, accuracy will also get worse, hopefully.

[cerulean flicker]

yeah but everyone knows premium ammo is what really makes the game unfair! I think auto aim could actually have a place if it had a 'aim in' period you couldn't fire during. 1-3 seconds would be enough. no instant snap shots but it becomes an assistant to new players looking for tanks

[hybrid fjord]

Only issue I see with this though, is what if you used auto aim to still target like usual, would you then have to aim in from a reticle that’s twice as wide when you then manually aim? Is that how you would have it function? To promote more manual aiming?

[hybrid fjord]

Exactly, those players with their max copium loadouts and premium consumables

[vast onyx]

Sounds like a feature tbh lol. Ideally it'd be a turret dispersion modifier rather than base. The further away you snap from, the longer the aim in time

[scenic zephyr]

Make auto-lock like an Arty aim. Big bloom and cool down period before reticle reaches smallest size. Comparable to the barn when you move and immediately aim.

[charred stag]

Honestly I can't even imagine Wargaming is making much if any money at all on premium ammo since everyone should be just using silver on it. Only time its nice is when you're two tiers below a tank you're fighting and your standard actually has zero chance of penning. Otherwise tier for tier, yeah its mad annoying and an old system IMO.

[tranquil atlas]

They could adjust the sigma so those sort of shots hit 1 or 2 times out of 10 and keep the rest unchanged, people would just stop taking those shots, would be the best way forward in my opinion.

[cerulean flicker]

yeah, that would also work.

[charred stag]

That's just WoT before 6.0 lol

[scenic zephyr]

Then it's already possible to code it that way

[hybrid fjord]

Didn’t all the old code get deleted? Wasn’t that the entire reason 6.0 even happened in the first place? The code wasn’t usable anymore or something?

[charred stag]

I mean they wouldn't even have to code anything because the tanks didn't change, the equipment and commander skills did. They gave us way more and stronger equipment and skills to use. Allowing us to remove at least 60% of the accuracy and aim time issues. So hopefully when the changes roll out, it will feel better.

[vast onyx]

The old engine/map engine/whatever couldn't handle cold war stuff the way WG wanted it to

The cold war stuff was likely in development in like 2018 or whatever. Hilarious that 6.0 got botched so badly on a 2 year project runtime

[oak granite]

in theory maybe but people will press rb lt rt and it would still work. I just dont see the need why it should work in the 1st place.
PC, Blitz and Wt as examples work fine without it. The test is for many of my friends and me really enjoyable i think it should work only for 100 m and the outlines should be more visible and also while aiming in 3rd person around the tank in a narrow area. other than that i am happy with it

[scenic zephyr]

Honestly idk, I've only been playing for a bit over a year, so I didn't see pre 6.0 times.

[charred stag]

Well on PC they are using a mouse instead of a controller so being precise is a lot easier for them. Most the time they are snapped onto their target before their turret catches up. Not really something that happens on controller unless you have a really slow turret. I don't compare the two just because the two use completely different inputs.

[charred stag]

Most of the players before 6.0 myself included, stopped playing the game after 6.0 for a lot of reasons. I ultimately think it was a bad update for the game and changed how the game plays way to much. On top of all that, the tanks that started releasing after that were way more OP to.

[oak granite]

and for Wt and Blitz ? And you can also play Console with mouse. But yeah i wont convince anyone and i wrote like 40 messages already waste of time tbh. I hope Wg changes stuff and removes a few of the training wheels but thats just me

[charred stag]

I think the auto aim test is in a pretty good spot because at least up close where a controller would struggle most, you can still lock on and shoot. That's whatever to me. I was just tired of getting snapshot by an E-100 across the map, hardly in his radio range after being spotted for half a second. That could stop any day.

[hybrid fjord]

The tanks I get snapshotted by usually are the hyper accurate ones. Mediums mostly, some TD’s, and some heavies like MK6 and 215b, which just goes back to the point of accuracy being the problem

The e100 big gun has like 700 m/s shell velocity. Barely hits targets at distance manually aiming

You wouldn’t hit anything at distance using purely RB/RT in that tank, unless your targets weren’t moving

[craggy stag]

Get this man a true! I actually made this point before. But didn't mention that it was a select bunch of problem tanks. Altho I still do love this test. And find it rather fun

[hybrid fjord]

It’s great fun absolutely. It’s so easy for me

But I feel for the players on the receiving end. Shot before they can even work out where they got shot from. Especially with the outlines as they are

So I understand their complaints

[craggy stag]

I think this test will be much better if the out-lines worked more

[hybrid fjord]

Definitely would be more fair for those with vision issues and reduced reaction times

[craggy stag]

Indeed

[distant loom]

Agree. Not all tanks and crews are the same i.e., different vision ranges.

[oak summit]

Do u think we have this much disabled gamers here? Iam a bit surprised

I need glasses too

[white shard]

For me, Auto Aim was always just step one: getting the gun around the target quickly. Whether you use auto-aim or not, you still have to wait for the gun to settle, bloom to reduce, and accuracy to kick in—it just saves a bit of fingerwork. Step two has always been the real work: manually accounting for armor angles, movement, and cover. That’s where skill comes in. If you’re already in a spot where none of that matters, then you were going to land the shot anyway. So yeah, I can adapt, but it’s a big change to something we’ve all used for years.

I also used auto-aim as a quick “can I actually shoot this guy?” check—especially with tanks that don’t have the targeting system, or when foliage/long range makes it hard to tell if a shot is even possible. No lock meant no point in wasting time aiming. Sure, with targeting info becoming default, that use case is less important now, but it still mattered.

Another use case is lobbing. This one borders on cheesy, but it worked: with low-velocity guns and steep shell arcs (like Sturmpanzers, recoilless guns, etc.), you could auto-lock onto a target behind a hill and lob a shell over. You’re not aiming at the tank, just at the endpoint. If auto-aim guarantees the reticle stays on them, even with terrain in the way, it works. That’s bombs away. Without it, though, those shots are basically impossible because of the base camera mechanics.

So yeah—auto-aim wasn’t just a crutch. It had real utility in different situations. Removing it outright feels like cutting out a core piece of the game’s DNA.

[hybrid fjord]

Having reduced reflexes doesn’t have to mean you’re disabled

We do have lots of older gamers though absolutely and they’re the ones who make up the core playerbase

[keen viper]

Like yourself unc😂

[oak summit]

That’s why I like wot and not battlefield or cod. Can not imagine finding an even slower shooter than wot 🤷🏻‍♂️

[hybrid fjord]

https://tenor.com/view/you-want-some-got-no-fans-look-back-drink-gif-16883219

[thin shell]

Are you not able to do this as of now? Autoaim is still in the game, just you have to be on target (like youre doing). And you’re wrong, most people use autoaim to FIND targets which is what they are addressing.

[hybrid fjord]

No, because of the buggy tank outlines

I’ve been looking directly at tanks through foliage and destructible cover during this test and I can’t see their outlines, so auto aim doesn’t allow you to lock to keep on track

I’ve literally not even been using it this week apart from in close quarters. I can play fully without it, which feels much better than trying to use it currently, feels janky and weird imo

[thin shell]

Good! Thats what autoaim is in this game for!

[hybrid fjord]

My whole point is this doesn’t affect me, my performance hasn’t changed at all. I’ve done 10k damage twice this week at tier 10, but I have a feeling that’s only happened because of the fact average players have to manually scan targets to shoot at. I can do that quickly, they can’t

So I get shot less, survive longer, and get more damage out. I can’t say it feels fair at all the way I’m farming all of these helpless players

Is that good for the game?

At least with the upcoming accuracy changes, I have just as much of a chance at missing a shot as an average player will shooting at me. The playing field will be level

[thin shell]

For me yes, maybe tank outlines being permanent would be a better implementation. If someone cant aim, its his problem

[thin shell]

Pc doesnt have 6.0 accuracy. Is the level playing field even on pc? No, actually its much more skilled than our 6.0

[keen viper]

Nerf accuracy and auto aim won't be op. People dont just use auto aim on PC. Only in close ranges

[oak summit]

It’s a game about map awareness and knowledge and not reflexes I would say.

[hybrid fjord]

You only have to watch the CC’s to see the kinds of shots that they miss. Perfectly fully aimed shots derping. It can happen to anyone, and that’s what it used to be like pre 6.0 with our game

[thin shell]

Because they have to be exactly on target to activate autoaim, just like our implementation but applied to all ranges

[hybrid fjord]

But their accuracy also sucks. Look at tier the tier 11 BZ-79. It takes 10 years to aim. You’d never take an auto aimed shot with that gun

[thin shell]

Do you think the level playing field is even regarding aiming on pc?

[thin shell]

Yea but you also cant use autoaim to find targets out of cover

snapshots are only a part of the problem, the other part is using RB to find targets. I think it has been repeated in this thread like 50 times already

Pretty much every complaint here was not for the snapshots at long ranges, but the fact that they cant spam Rb anymore to find targets, but this is one of the key fixes that were brought up with this test

[hybrid fjord]

Yes, because it doesn’t matter how well you can aim over there, RNG has much more of an impact on your shots than on console. Everyone is affected equally by RNG. Even players like Kajzoo

[thin shell]

Yes but kajzoo hits more shots, why is that? Rng is equal right?

[hybrid fjord]

obviously because his aim is better, but RNG affects shots all the same no matter how good your aim is

He hits more shots by letting the reticle shrink smaller, by having less shaky hands, more precise mouse movements. But you can be the absolute best and still miss easy shots cause RNG says no

[hybrid fjord]

So who are the group of people actually upset with players using RB to find targets?

Anyone can do it, I do it, so do loads of other good players. I’m struggling to understand why people would have a problem with less able players having a way to find targets to shoot at, after all, they have to manually aim the final shot anyway

[snow robin]

sweats

[snow robin]

sweats lose their mind when someone with lower wr is able to hit them once in a game

[cerulean flicker]

if we're adjusting for problematic tanks, auto aim should always work at any range for elc and wiesels, i'm tired of trying to manually aim at 17 pixels moving at 60+kmph, half the shells in the game are large than those tanks..

[craggy stag]

Oh no! The casual peasantry shot me! Quickly. Nerf them until they perish Johnson!

[queen dove]

Exactly they just want to crap on bad players easier

[snow robin]

then they complain when their teammates suck and do 500 dmg in a game

[thin shell]

because its a boring, lame and lazy way of aiming. I dont want the game to aim for me, and i dont want other players to have their game aim for them. If you want to shoot me you have to aim at me, not press rb. Everyone can do it and will use it but that doesnt mean its healthy for the game. Its like having soft cheats enabled for everyone

[oak granite]

its pointless some people want to play a shooter without aiming for themselves

[thin shell]

Actual crazy conversations. Imagine not wanting to manually aim in a shooter

[queen dove]

Hypocrites the lot of them

[oak granite]

yeah i know and blaming people who do as sweats . Like its the most basic thing to do use your right stick

[cerulean flicker]

there's definitely some players mad this isn't diablo and they aren't spamming the entire map with fire

[queen dove]

But we are aiming the final shot though. Bozo upset because there’s a tool in the game that can get us in the general direction of a target. If you get damaged, we manually aimed that shot

Sounds like you played badly if you got damaged by us average players

[hybrid fjord]

https://tenor.com/view/too-happy-to-take-tea-spit-laugh-gif-14075405

[thin shell]

You’re not in the general direction, you’re in the center of mass

[hybrid fjord]

But if they pulled the trigger they wouldn’t penetrate you

Since being locked centre mass often means auto Ricochet unless you’re playing a paper vehicle

[oak granite]

Auto aim is like cutting meat for children all you have to do now is eat everything else is already done Autoaim is checking for you where the enemy is and if you can shot him then it aims your gun dead Center to him and you just have to do micro adjustments.
Good Job well done !
You must be proud

[queen dove]

Sounds like you shouldn’t be sitting in the open then if we can lock on and auto-aim your whole tank. Again, sounds like you’re just playing badly and looking to blame others

[queen dove]

I’m glad it makes players like you so upset. You only care about your own stats, not what’s best for everyone. That’s why you like this test, it’s extremely easy for you

Negative feedback just dismissed as skill issues. Don’t expect anything less from players like you

If everyone was your level you would have nobody to farm lol

[oak granite]

i bet he is doing better than you by quite a bit XD, and if he is he will instantly be a sweater XD. How people like you can survive in the real world i dont understand

[queen dove]

In the real world you can’t blame others for your shortcomings

You’re literally blaming a game mechanic as to why you get destroyed

[thin shell]

I’m playing well thanks, and why do you complain? Are you not able to find targets by aiming manually?

[oak granite]

says the guy who does not want to aim for himself Dude stop im laughing XD

[queen dove]

Except every shot I take is is manual aimed 🤡 . You guys make zero sense

One minute talking about not being able to aim, next minute talking about locating targets with the mechanic

Make your mind up as to what you’re actually upset about please

[queen dove]

I’m sure is he better than me

But I don’t complain when I get shot and blame it on a game mechanic XDDD

[hybrid fjord]

Well this is entertaining

[charred stag]

Tell me you didn't play before 6.0 without telling me you didn't play 6.0 lmao

[queen dove]

These sweats would hate it if they had to fight everyone their own skill level. No marks for them to farm from bad players anymore 😂, that’s why they want this test permanent. Makes it easier for them

[queen dove]

I did. Why is that?. I’m simply saying I don’t blame game mechanics when someone shoots me

[cerulean flicker]

cons to auto aim: stepping out, getting spotted, and killed nearly instantly by snap shots; pros: assist for new, sub par, and visually impaired players.
either way everyone agrees only bad players benefit from both having and not having auto aim or something about premium rounds

[oak summit]

I also think it makes the battle time longer because everybody lose hp more slowly. Guess that’s would be good for the game in general.

[queen dove]

The sweats lose HP less because this system works in their favour because they can exploit the slow reactions from bad players even better. I’ve been getting killed just as fast as before it feels like when I get spotted...

[cerulean flicker]

good players use it to locate before aiming in and getting a good hit; bad players use it to basckyard snipe from the locker room... but everyone uses it so it must be bad for the game?

[queen dove]

Exactly, everyone uses it but only the sweats want it gone? 🤔

[oak summit]

I really think this game is not about reaction. This is not battlefield or cod mate.
It is more about map awareness and knowledge.

[oak granite]

Im 33 my reaction time is far from what it was reaction time is not that important in wot. Map awareness and tankknowledge are important. But some bad players want excuse for being to lazy to learn them

[hoary oxide]

Just remove auto aim all together then no player or tank has any advantage at any distance pure player skill

[queen dove]

Map awareness and tank knowledge most important but all the sweats want auto aim gone? Tell me how that makes any sense

[hybrid fjord]

You’re still super uni though bro. Not every super uni has to be under 20. Your reactions are still better than most

[charred stag]

Can we stop with the "but my reaction time" nonsense. First off, WoT is the first game ever I've played where you dont even need a fast reaction time to begin with. Secondly, its the only game I've ever seen the community cry about how bad they are, and thirdly auto aim doesn't even help with reaction time. You react the same time as pressing compared to when you notice and start aiming at somebody. No more of it. It makes literal next to no sense.

[oak granite]

Because aiming takes skill if i eat a shot i feel better when knowing i generally made a mistake and not some bot just driving 60km/h down hill snaping me rb rt style .

[oak granite]

Still my reaction time is worse than some of the persons here and i still play better because i use my brain. It is not freaking Counterstrike here

[queen dove]

Sounds like RNG if they hit you at that speed

first it was locating targets with RB that was the problem, then it was snapshotting and getting your gun on targets quickly, now it’s people driving 60 kph and auto-aiming your tank?

You genuinely can’t decide what the actual problem even is

[oak granite]

Its both but without autoaim it would not happen

[oak granite]

Autoaim is making all 3 possible what is so hard to understand ?

[queen dove]

I have definitely hit manual shots on the move and penetrated targets and been like what the heck that hit

So you wouldn’t be mad if someone did the same thing at 60 manually? It’s still just RNG

[charred stag]

Like I said. The reaction time argument has no ground. You react at the same amount of time to press the lock on button. As you do start aiming at somebody. This button does not magically increase your reaction time. It just makes it easier for you and less input/thought.

[oak granite]

Yes i would still be mad but that would be luck on his part thats Rng and atleast he aimed in my direction instead of letting the game do all for him

[queen dove]

Good players have been using auto aim to track targets for years though, but it’s only a problem when an average Joe does it and we damage them?? What about all the players they farmed using this method?

[bold crag]

How many crew are on these tanks? 4-5… you should be able to start a turret in the direction you want it to point because you commanded the fella that turns the turret to point it that way. There is a crew on these tanks and skill levels associated with the commander. Auto aim isn’t the problem accuracy is. The aim points at center mass correct? Most tanks are pretty protected at center mass. Almost all my shots are zoomed in and placed once I get to firing position, because my turret turner guy has moved the turret to the appropriate direction. Have I snap shot a fella and pen’d right after the aim? Sure but it’s not very accurate most of the time and gets a bounce. Change the accuracy keep auto aim or everyone gonna be in bot city everyday. Not to mention revenue will assuredly go down.

[charred stag]

What do you mean by "track targets"?

[queen dove]

Using RB to get your gun on a target

Or to work out if you can shoot somebody

[charred stag]

To track or to lock? Because good players know tracking a target with lock on is not that good if they are moving or behind cover.

[queen dove]

I mean to work out if you have a shot available, or to quickly get your gun to a spotted target using RB

[oak granite]

Ofc everyone is using it because its easy mode good and bad players but the skill involved is near 0 and it works perfect on the other plattforms so could it here

[queen dove]

Yes auto aim does not work on moving targets

[charred stag]

Maybe there is a disconnect in your brain that isn't allowing you to understand what you or I are saying. You use words like "quickily" yet it would be the same amount of time to aim your weapon manually at somebody spotted as it would to just press RB. Again, the reaction time has no grounds here.

[queen dove]

The argument happening here though is that it’s only problematic because you get hit by players who you feel don’t deserve to hit you

What about those same players being hit by you abusing that same Mechanic?

Your only argument is bad players shouldn’t be able to use it to hit you

[wind coyote]

Holy copium

[charred stag]

I'm saying good and bad players equally should not have a easy time with zero skill to hit targets. Genuine question, why does WoT have stats? Super Uni? KD? Because there is a level of skill incorporated into the game. There should be a separation between the bad and good. Someone with a quicker reaction time and better aim SHOULD BE playing better than the dude who does not. This should not be a hot take whatsoever.

[wind coyote]

Super uni isn't a WoT thing. Players made that up to feel special

[charred stag]

Fair. Still the game tracks it for us.

[mortal pier]

Maybe Wargaming should introduce leagues where you can play with great guys without auto-aim and where players who are disadvantaged and have skill issues can play with auto-aim.
There are players who are not as blessed as you are.
We just need more time to find the target on the screen, so please accept that not everyone is like you. Where has your tolerance for your fellow human beings gone?

[queen dove]

Super unicums are playing better though due to those reasons you mention... ? Manual aim already separates player skill

[wind coyote]

Not even, third party sites track it

[queen dove]

Someone complaining they got shot once by someone using auto aim though is coping a lot

[charred stag]

Idk if this is pertaining to you or not. However I will ask anyways, do you play this game because it does baby you? (Lack of knowing how else to put it)

Also I would not mind to see ranked come back with sole changes though. First off, make it permanent with seasons. Also I would make sure no premium rounds could be used as an advantage. Everyone is on the same tier, they are rarely even needed. The 7v7 mode was a lot of fun for good players like myself. Maybe even keep the auto aim changes there.

[grand magnet]

After 3 days of this test, I’ve put together my feedback / impressions to date. It seems to me there are two groups of people split oppositely over the auto-aim & outline changes and their impacts in this test. To me “Pros” are the pros/unis who live & play for statistics, they are highly invested in the game with a high barrier to exit / much to lose by quitting WOT and are Positively impacted by the test. “Casuals” are the casual/outsider players who play for fun / don’t read messages or news / don’t care at all about statistics, and have a low barrier to exit with little->nothing to lose by quitting WOT, and are Negatively impacted by the test. The “Pros” players love the change: because they are highly skilled & generally don’t use auto-aim anyway (so they don’t miss the feature), they are now able to farm the hobbled & helpless “Casuals” folks like never before, and don’t have to worry about the unskilled “Casuals” players “snapshotting” them back anymore. The “Casuals” folks hate the change: as it has made the game “not fun -> unplayable” for them because much of their game skills relied on auto-aim, they have now lost those skills, and so have become crippled & easy prey for the “Pros”. The “Pros” are enjoying this test and playing as much as they can to pad their statistics by farming the “Casuals”. The “Casuals” hate this test, are fed up with being “willing victims”, and have probably stopped playing & switched to some other game already for their daily fun fix.
The questions I’m wondering about are: 1) which group is larger & more important revenue-wise for Wargames, 2) what is the ratio of Casuals to Pros and the population size of each, and 3) which of the groups is more important for long-term viability.
I would be curious to see before & after statistics on the daily player numbers during this test. My guess is that the total number of players, and the total time played, both will go down because of the test…

[snow robin]

true

[mortal pier]

No, of course not, but I don't understand why you want to make us worse players look even worse. The game is more fun when damage is done, not when you take fewer hits.
I'm not good at aiming, call it skill issues or limitations, it doesn't matter. You've had your good rounds too, with or without auto-aim.

[hoary oxide]

Auto aim must be removed completely the days of cw lights tanks being a one man army will end and they can return to they're traditional role as a scout

[mortal pier]

👍🏽

[charred stag]

I guess I just disagree at a fundamental level. I prefer slower, less hit games where base capping is more likely and another win condition.

[snow robin]

scouting doesnt rly work in cw with everything having bad concealment and huge view range other than the lights

[distant loom]

Camo doesn’t rly work either

sixth Sense too

[tacit nova]

That is why i hope gets better with the Big Update.

[tacit nova]

And no skill

[mortal pier]

The weaker players just camp now, they're no longer any support because they're overwhelmed by their poor aiming. The game has slowed down, but it has lost some of its tactics. But anyway, we're not getting anywhere with this. You outstanding players are now farming us and will probably have even better rounds this week. It has to do with the fact that players like me simply have problems aiming at you.

[tacit nova]

Even without Vision issues (Also that is the dev work) but in general the outlines are not great for this game, they work, but could be a lot better if we are honest.

[tacit nova]

We do have a lot of older gamers, but i am not sure if they are the core, i know they are a decent part, but unsure about the core, what we deffo have less of is kids or players below 12 years old.

[tacit nova]

A bit of reflexes is involved, but more for specific fights and maybe taking shots faster, but yeah pretty much.

[tacit nova]

https://tenor.com/view/thats-me-adrian-boseman-the-good-fight-look-its-me-i-cant-relate-gif-21896793

[tacit nova]

That would in a way be ideal for the game, but not for a big part of players, see the problem?

[grand magnet]

I am a casual console player, and only play WW2 and generally in tiers <8. I never play Cold War. I did not know about the test, or how reliant my own game skills were on auto-aim & outlines - until they were removed (initially I thought it was a bug and was going to open a ticket). My game experience during this test has been a hard Negative “night & day” change. For me the game went from fun to –> Don’t Play! It shows in my statistics before & after the test. Personally I have completely stopped playing until this test is over and things return to being fun for me again.

This has been the test's negative impact for me, from fun, to not fun:

[tacit nova]

I think part of the problem is that many players got used to the 6.0 buffed system, because pre 6.0 you almost never saw anyone snap-shooting at long range, hence why the real problem is the increase of accuracy, not really auto aiming itself, it is just a symptom of the real CORE problem, hence why i am a lot happier that accuracy in general is going to take a hit, and this test + all the feedback here made me reinforce that.
(If you read this you geh).

[hoary oxide]

@tacit nova My advice to them is to get better and learn how to aim cause it doesn't really affect me cause I don't play light tanks very often

[tacit nova]

It doesn't affect me either even in light tanks, but i understand why some get frustrated, now why they explode and threaten to leave, that is a bit too extreme but meh, and is true, some player are handicapped, but that is more on the dev UI adjustments (Yet limited because this is still a multiplayer game something a lot seem to forget).

[vernal fulcrum]

🎯

[hoary oxide]

@tacit nova My point being the tanks rely and benefit the most from auto aim are not affected by this test and players that use the same exact feature in another wsy are essentially being told to simple just get better so yes remove auto aim all together and all players will simply just have to get better.

[tacit nova]

Objectively true, but lights are going to... wait no they are not, they can adapt and stop auto aiming and do circles...
Objectively True

[oak summit]

Finding targets at the screen? I mean they are red and even I with my glasses find them.

[mortal pier]

You don't want to understand me, so let's just leave it at that.

[oak summit]

During this week the playerbase was higher. First time in years I noticed a +100 in the queue prime time EU.
Next week should be even higher.

[hoary oxide]

@tacit nova It's a very effective tool for acquiring targets at long range and essential tool for lights with autu cannons at close range I don't see the point in removing one tool in the games arsenal and not the other just because people have different play styles.

[hybrid fjord]

You sure do seem to love assuming that because you wear glasses, that everyone else with a vision impairment must be exactly like you

So if you’re doing fine then so should they 🤷‍♂️

[oak summit]

Pretty sure they use glasses too. Or do u think they are playing blind?
I mean we are in 2025 and everyone can afford some glasses to see well

[oak granite]

Next update autoaim will also drive the tank for you because some ppl cant hold a controller

[hybrid fjord]

I have a vision impairment from a neurological condition. I don’t need glasses. I’m super uni

But I don’t expect everyone else to be as good as me, just because I can do so despite my vision

[tacit nova]

To be fair if my eyesight was so bad that not only driving was bad or borderline illegal even with glasses, but i can't see things on a screen, i have bigger issues to deal with than a game, or at least go to offline games.

[oak summit]

GG and take care buddy ✌️💪

[hybrid fjord]

You okay hun? X

[oak summit]

I don’t want to troll you mate. Good u are still in the game and enjoy playing.

[cunning ocean]

Hk-protus knows how to aim

[tacit nova]

https://tenor.com/view/bad-aim-gif-25659185

[cunning ocean]

XD bs I tooned with ya

[tacit nova]

https://tenor.com/view/family-guy-ripaim-random-fire-out-of-control-fire-gif-5980510

[hybrid fjord]

https://tenor.com/view/big-shaq-facilities-big-man-michael-dapaah-gif-16578745

[cunning ocean]

That's how it felt lol yha when we demolished pubs in era 2 XD

[oak summit]

Omg

[tacit nova]

Funny thing, i also need to wear glasses... well need is a big word, but i see in 1080 without them and in 4k with them.

[oak summit]

Iam ok ! Glasses work fine for me. Thanks for asking 🙏

[hybrid fjord]

My point being not everyone has the same blanket issues with vision. Saying “I can do well despite my vision problems, therefore so can everyone else” is such a ridiculous statement

[hoary oxide]

Remove auto aim completely it's the only way to bring balance to the force.

[tacit nova]

Yeah that is a fair assessment, but i was going more on the extreme side, not the ok or Medium problems, and yeah you are right in there, you can't generalize based on (YOU)

[tacit nova]

Nah first we get the big update that will reduce accuracy, then we will move from there.

[bold crag]

I’ve changed my mind I will play this weekend. I don’t want casual players in here with a bunch of bots. I want everyone to see how messed up this is. I have a few tanks that will be perfect to bring this to a new understanding for those that logged in for the first time this weekend. See yall on the field. GG … and it’s not cuz im having withdrawals… but im having withdrawals. So I feel the need to come in an educate the masses

[tacit nova]

This is not a tank is a DAM GHOST!

[hoary oxide]

Cw light tanks with auto cannons need a minimum arm distance to use auto aim.

[cyan blade]

That’s crazy

[queen dove]

But then how would the Wiesel MK1 players do well

Auto aim is what they rely on

[hybrid fjord]

True. It would be an objectively worse tank if it didn’t have access to auto aim and those players had to free aim

[queen dove]

Exactly

But Cold War players without auto-aim would be like an average player without an avre. They wouldn’t know what to do 🤣

[tacit nova]

The game is built with the auto aim system (That is why is a core mechanic), but it wasn't built on POST 6.0 accuracy, but thankfully that will be fixed.

[tacit nova]

Not me i am superior.

https://tenor.com/view/hans-landa-gif-21572844

[queen orbit]

Auto aim is fun, please bring back.

[hoary oxide]

@cyan blade It's a reasonable solution for known toxic tanks by making maintain a distance to use auto aim as a crutch or get close and learn how to aim I guarantee nobody would complain about the weasel mk1 anymore

[maiden osprey]

Please keep the new ersion of Auto aim that is used in the test. It is much better than the old version which allowed snap shots at ridiculous distances.

[queen dove]

I can’t wait for Tuesday and then all the sweats will be crying again when average players can damage them 😆

[tacit nova]

https://tenor.com/view/the-matrix-neo-keanu-reeves-come-at-me-gif-24036184

[stark void]

Basically none. I'd actually not be shocked if the cost of customer support correcting mistakenly bought prem ammo for gold costs more than they "money made" from people buying it.

[stark void]

Was just map engine that changed afaik

[stark void]

PC accuracy is a lot closer than you think, thanks to bond equipment, field mods, improved aiming device and so on

[serene barn]

I thought auto aim was meant to be effective
I decided to auto aim a still tog whilst moving in my tog finally got around the corner clear shot about 30-50m away and still missed
Rng threw a wobbler with that shell 😂

[bold crag]

If something is wrong with a tank being OP, don’t fix 10 other things on other tanks or mechanics to fix it. Nerf the OP tank. It’s that simple. Although it does screw over the guy that paid $50-100 for it and had been playing it. WOT is unique to the fact you have 15 people mostly not on coms trying to adapt to what other people and bots do. If ya throw an op tank in and it causes major issues get it fixed by nerfing tue tank. Not the whole game . I’m out here teaching people the new game now it’s glorious

Sorry this was supposed to be tagged to someone

[left stratus]

Oh look an op premium with a broken damage model thanks WG🤮

[polar prawn]

It gives people more incentives to play op missile tanks

They are pushing Cold War more and more in the favour of missile tanks

[hybrid fjord]

Nothing OP about it. It sucks. Worst tier 10 light tank. T249 can’t even penetrate T100 LT frontally

[tacit nova]

Nice you got it XD

[hybrid fjord]

It’s only OP when it finds tanks with absolutely no armour whatsoever. And I mean none

[hybrid fjord]

You should have just used auto-aim

[tacit nova]

https://tenor.com/view/ralph-bakshi-fat-gut-full-turkey-hangover-gif-14966554

[left stratus]

Did we not just watch the same video? Like seriously could you stop being an absolute troll 24/7

[polar prawn]

This test has happened partly because of a YouTuber that has ulterior motives

[left stratus]

Who? And how?

[hybrid fjord]

Yes we watched the same clip

What happened? t249 did nothing to the 215b . I didn’t disagree that the damage model wasn’t broken. It is. But the tank is bad. You’d know if you played it

[craggy stag]

Watch him say its a YouTuber who hasn't posted in four years

[polar prawn]

I’m not naming names but all he minds playing is light tanks and missile tanks

[craggy stag]

My brother in christ. So your claim means nothing. You refuse to provide evidence. So your word means literally nothing. For all we know you could be making it up. Say names. Provide evidence.

[hybrid fjord]

Well it won’t be Rikitikitave since he got removed from CC programme

[polar prawn]

Like I said I’m not naming names but all he minds doing is trying to shoehorn the game into what is best for himself

[hybrid fjord]

A troll because I speak facts 24/7?

[tacit nova]

Because i kept my front toward it, also clutch braking helped a lot there XD

[tacit nova]

But you gotta admit that armor model makes some BS shots XD

[hybrid fjord]

Oh I never denied the armour model being BS

[vast onyx]

Yeah it's never been good but it's terribly broken

[keen viper]

T249 is only op against other lights and things it can pen. Its the worst light other than that

I really struggled to 3 mark it cause how bad the gun is. Was relying on assistance

[tacit nova]

Yeah that was the entire intention of the video hence why i called it "Ghost" XD

[vast onyx]

Yeah. Broken but bad. Same category as the 4005 or arty or Weisel Tow

[hybrid fjord]

Sh*tbarn can at least do hesh splash though when it can’t pen. T249 Is all or nothing

And Wiesel is still unbelievably OP

[keen viper]

T249 has bullsh** armor

[polar prawn]

He hadn’t streamed for weeks but he suddenly streamed now this test is in and only played tanks that are of interest to him and he never played a heavy all stream

[vast onyx]

Lol low winrate, low dpg, worse than mbts

[hybrid fjord]

Comparing a no armour atgm only tank to armoured MBT’s is crazy

Most people that play it are idiots. Ofc those measures are low. My Wiesel is 9.2k DPG. Higher than any of my era 3 MBT’s by a mile. Like it’s not close

[stiff lynx]

Yep you uncovered the whole conspiracy, snapshotting totally hasn't been named as an issue by various community members for years.

[polar prawn]

All he minds is trying to shoehorn the game into what is best for him it’s the only agenda he has got

[hybrid fjord]

Just name him. It’s not like you’re going to get banned

[tacit nova]

https://tenor.com/view/balthazar-crazy-family-guy-fou-gif-11775947423386520412

[stiff lynx]

Well if this is the result of whomever you are speaking of then tell em to keep it coming. Bc I quite enjoyed this test beyond the outlines being reduced alongside auto aim

[keen viper]

Who rikitikitave?

[left stratus]

That dpm and a broken damage model but not op um ok.....

[hybrid fjord]

A Cold War player. Not that great. Has his own community clan. He got booted from CC ‘apparently’, because he talked badly about WG for adding tanks like 477a and Wiesel, as well as others

[stiff lynx]

Statistically it's not OP, it's kinda the opposite currently. It's just a broken gimmick that only works sometimes

[left stratus]

Sounds like the dude got censored cause he wasn't a wg simp

[hybrid fjord]

Try 3 marking it. You’ll quickly realise how bad it actually is

It’s not OP. Just broken against tanks with zero armour

Literally any other tier 10 light is a better pick to play with

[tacit nova]

I... might play it a bit more, it's been a while, i only have like 3 games on it XD and with this test might be fun

[left stratus]

You think im giving wg money for that thing?🤮

[stiff lynx]

So anyways to uh refine what I said day 1 about the test, very nice. Still not a fan of the outlines being harder to get in 3rd person but I adapted and have been enjoying it again. I would like to see outlines separated still but I like 3rd person having less tolerance for outlines than the sniper scope, just would like a little more tolerance than now.

[tacit nova]

https://tenor.com/view/raingump-kto-kounotori-kounotoritoken-lbow-gif-26528457

[hybrid fjord]

You shouldn’t because it’s not a good tank, never mind giving WG money. Much better tanks you can buy for the price of that thing

[keen viper]

Ebr 105 is better

[hybrid fjord]

Both equally as bad

[keen viper]

And ebr is very bad

[tacit nova]

Yeah i agree there, the outlines should be separated and visible when the general crosshairs touch the tank, not just the reticle, the area in the crosshairs that also mark it.

[keen viper]

Atleast ebr has good camo and can pen things

[tacit nova]

I made my mind and i am team T249 right now so anything said against my superior light tank is wrong.

[keen viper]

Lolol. Ebr is my beloved

[tacit nova]

https://tenor.com/view/batmetal-snacks-gif-19231873

[hybrid fjord]

When are the Carro 45 buffs going live btw? Tuesday?

[tacit nova]

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-spongebob-squarepants-spongebob-season-1-pizza-delivery-spongebob-pizza-delivery-gif-16830556785746876013

[left stratus]

So much jank very fun but jank

[tacit nova]

[keen viper]

Its a Taran. Lowk deserved 😂

[tacit nova]

You see? wHo NeEdS aUtO aIM XD

[cyan blade]

[thin shell]

“exploit the slow reactions” lmao

[tacit nova]

Yeah that was also ridiculous for me XD

[queen dove]

What’s incorrect about that statement? You wouldn’t have 3 marks to flex if you had to fight players of your skill level only

[tacit nova]

That would be the win rate, not the MOEs

[queen dove]

If good players had to fight only good players each match would consist of hull down camping and everyone being afraid to make a move because they would get blasted to smithereens if they did

[cold badger]

Im sure many will say my opinion on this aim adjustment doesnt matter , my friends and I only bot farm ( hence the regiment name "State Farmers" ) i get why this is being pushed but honestly if I cant snap shot at 600m then why can the bots eh ? Watched a player that had a full hp bar move forward in smoke i laid out around a corner ( the player had not been spotted yet and moved up to the corner under the cover of the smoke ) before the smoke fully cleared the player was tagged 4 to 5 times before we could do anything at all including before the games ui even showed enemy status bars . The map was Province and all the shots came from across the valley thanks to one scout spotter in the vally. I wasn't even spotted when I popped the smoke fyi so again why can bots auto snap shot ? What's good for the goose isnt always gonna work for the gander . Then again im sure this almost exclusively effects bot players so yet again im sure we will just have to deal and make due .

[tacit nova]

https://tenor.com/view/gohine-hohino-no-hohineee-gohineee-gif-17792172174678204487

[queen dove]

Prove me wrong. Memes don’t disprove anything

No bad players = no marks for good players

There are players who stay up early hours of the morning so they can farm damage against the WG bots to get their marks because they’re too bad to get them against real players

[tacit nova]

Easy.
HE /HESH

[tacit nova]

That is true and i agree there XD

[vast onyx]

He's right tbh. Look at comp pre MBA

[left stratus]

So WWII cause you dont have TV😆

[thin shell]

So is that your reasoning for keeping auto aim in the game the way it is?

[queen dove]

I see plenty of dumb things happening in WW2. It isn’t just camping all the time

[thin shell]

There’s no “exploiting”, if you’re bad youre bad, thats the rule for every other online game out there.

[queen dove]

It literally doesn’t affect you as much as you’re claiming it does

You’re 3 marking and gold marking tanks as it is. Taking away auto aim for average players just makes that easier for you. So of course you’re in favour of removing it

Anything so you don’t have to farm bots at 3am and claim that you are a good player

[queen dove]

Yes, so if there wasn’t any bad players to club you wouldn’t have the statistics that you do

[cold badger]

Thanks guys I think yall giving my comment about as much as attention as the devs will give it helps prove that statement more than all the ranting I could ever do . 👍

[stark void]

Just to be clear, nothing is being pushed. Arguably the opposite. A test is specifically because we are unsure.

No decision is remotely made on next steps

[stark void]

Well that makes my comment awkwardly timed 😅

Technically not a dev at least

[thin shell]

I just think that having autoaim automatically auto lock targets at any distance without any care and doing it while in cover is not a good implementation in an online shooter.

[cold badger]

Lmfao indeed , thank you for taking your time to reply 🤣

[hybrid fjord]

Unfortunately timing when people are going back and forth. Sometimes comments like yours get buried pretty quickly

[cold badger]

It was more of a jaded quip at the devs expense for pushing unwanted b.s. to the minority of the playerbase

[thin shell]

im sorry i can take the discussion in private messages

[cold badger]

No need for you to apologize and yall didn't do anything wrong , I just used the situation at that time to point out something that's been a common issue with bot players

[queen dove]

I can understand your viewpoint. But I still have to manually aim my shots, I can’t just pull the trigger on a lot of tanks using auto-aim . I don’t play lots of battles every day like some people, I understand general weakspots, but some tanks still confuse me. Auto-aim just helps me get on target to then manually aim my shot

It’s been a mechanic since day 1 though. If you want realism, there is warthunder. This game is an arcade shooter. It’s going to have goofy mechanics

[hybrid fjord]

I think this thread derailed days ago , I wouldn’t worry about it

[stark void]

At least try to keep it on topic pls

[bold crag]

Ya might as well take out spotting and being highlighted at all. That will lengthen the game. Just a map and head on a swivel

[queen dove]

But if they did that then the good players couldn’t exploit the spotting mechanics and camouflage

They only want the mechanics removed/changed that negatively impact them. Not the ones that benefit them. They can abuse the spotting mechanics because they have the best crews and premium everything

[vast onyx]

No, spotting mechanics are just abuseable if you understand them

[bold crag]

I have high hopes that this goes away next week. Fingers crossed it’s not looked at ever again

[queen dove]

Most of my crews suck. I only have a handful of crews with maximum skills. I’m at a disadvantage compared to the good players because I can’t play all day every day. I can’t abuse anything

I understand the mechanics well enough but I don’t have the tools to utilise it fully

[cold badger]

I already have issues seeing enemies even with the outlines and to be clear I am on a 75" 4k TV ( indeed has 120fps+ ) and I have to unscope to see an approximation of location of the enemy then scope back in and since auto aim is now all but %$#@ed unless I am running a heavy armored tank i dont have to time to fumble with all that b.s. so mid range and long range are not a target option now when I am trying to defend vs close or mid range so now its pull farther back to extreme range and corner camp because the bots still can pop you with uncanny quickness and now we are essentially nerfed .

[hybrid fjord]

https://tenor.com/view/michael-jackson-comendo-picoca-gif-9669437860846841235

[vast onyx]

The camo abuse comes from equipment far more than skills

[tacit nova]

The bots can't snap, they work over their programming and can handle the tank stats perfectly yet with Computer behavior, don't think as them as players because they are not, Think about Age of empires, the computer can control each unit individually at the same time, and you the player can't.

[stark void]

Fwiw outlines were something mentioned in the roadmap as something being looked into. And bam mentioned on stream that the feedback about the interaction between outlines and lock on is something we are aware of

[tacit nova]

We consider you a DEV xD

[craggy stag]

Several people are typing. We're doomed-

[tacit nova]

It comes back in pieces and bursts, or thing related pop XD

[ocean oracle]

I really like this auto-aim test

[thin shell]

Not only it derailed, it has developed into a civil war

[hybrid fjord]

Idk about that dude the crew skills are busted af

You could have a 103b setup with camo net, but no crew skills, and you’ll get out spotted by a player in a medium tank with max crew skills plus food, plus equipment

[thin shell]

I have never seen such a controversial topic in 11 years

[hybrid fjord]

SBMM rivals this

[tacit nova]

Why can Bots always set you targeted even when you are not in the direct line of sight? EX: You are behind a boulder or building.

[vast onyx]

Yeah but a 5 skill strv (easy) outspots everything

[left stratus]

No but to say you guys have plans we aren't privy to would be true. We know equipment changes are coming at some point whether we approve of them or not. This test means nothing if you are implementing those changes.
I think you guys fail to realize the true market placement of the game. You are in an advantageous position you just refuse to adapt and constantly shoot yourself in the foot.

Small side note if you all were to make a hardcore mode with TV for WWll and CW you'd get droves of players. You could cut gaijin out of the market by a hefty percentage cause we have no CAS.
Don't listen to someone who says "dont split the playerbase" think of expanding it.
Yes the physics engine needs to be overhauled and reevaluated but that will come with next gen. Stop thinking so small like with this auto lock test.

[cold badger]

Lol the bots can and will lock onto a player they have not spotted , I have watched it SO many times 🤣 4 tanks will be dead staring at a buddy while I can see from a different angle and they will all follow that player through walls and terrain and even sometime shoot the corner before that player peeks around it . So if it isnt snap shot or whatever then that makes it more of a flaw since like I said they are shooting in situations that players are impossible for players to counter unless its the devs plans for players to snail mail our shots to the bots.

[tacit nova]

https://tenor.com/view/fire-gif-12264126341218785722

[craggy stag]

Quickly. While everyone is talking about real issues! Cause senseless violence!

[cyan blade]

Welcome to the WG player base

[tacit nova]

Yes but i meant they don't do it on a traditional way.

[cold badger]

Thank you 😊.

[hybrid fjord]

Oh the bots have wall hacks 100% it doesn’t take much to notice this. Cold War they track you through buildings or terrain unspotted