Everything was working fine last night, but on boot this morning the config is running into issues
#System is hanging on configuration when booting
tame kiln
And it displayed [5.918436]
And nothing else first boot
Im reading this is my motherboard displaying hardware issues?
stark solar
if you have some weird usb device unplug it
tame kiln
Does that sound correct
stark solar
scanner/ fingerprint reader/ draw pen etc
tame kiln
Theres only a keyboard and mouse plugged into my pc but ill unplug everything and test
It displays 5.886614 now
tame kiln
No just the black and those numbers in brackets
stark solar
what linux distro are you attempting to boot?
tame kiln
Its pop
stark solar
do you get a grub menu at start?
tame kiln
No
I begins config, lines of code begin and then my display changes to a greyish screen and this it clicks back to this stuff
stark solar
shut down fully. replug your keybd and mouse.
then follow this. do what it says once you see grub menu to boot other kernels or kernel in recovery mode:
#1331824974440431768 message
tame kiln
Okay i have the grub, pop os, pop os recovery abd reboot into firmware interface
So far so good
Recovery mode booted fine
stark solar
ok
did you happen to upgrade a linux kernel yesterday?
at some point after installing Pop OS?
tame kiln
Yes
stark solar
that might be why
tame kiln
Or during its kind of a blur. I think i updated kernel to get it to install
stark solar
did u see a "advanced options for Pop OS" in grub?
tame kiln
I saw pop, pop recovery and firmware. Only those 3 on grub
stark solar
and did Pop recovery show any options ?
tame kiln
No, it just booted me in once clicked
stark solar
ok open terminal a sec
do uname -r
and state it
then do whereis synaptic and does it show paths?
tame kiln
Hold a moment, kids
Back
Okay im going to attempt screenshots but popos built in screenshot crap freezes my system
stark solar
Okay im going to attempt screenshots but popos built in screenshot crap freezes ...
ok
do sudo apt update && sudo apt install synaptic
tame kiln
i still have a hard time realizing when its my turn in the terminal
stark solar
hit win key, and type syna
once it launches, maximize window
read the intro thoroughly too
stark solar
if u see a prompt. it is done
tame kiln
the recover@recovery prompt?
tame kiln
im looking for the synapse package manager?
stark solar
*synaptic
stark solar
things regarding apt can all be done thru the terminal, but one has to know many commands and switches to get exact details, synaptic makes the process much more easy
the intro that would have popped up as soon as you launched that
ok u see that horizontal divider line near middle?
tame kiln
ye
stark solar
drag it down more, so the results occupy 2 thirds vertical
tame kiln
alright
stark solar
go to Settings menu in there. Preferences> show package details in main window
tick that on
then near left bottom, click Status
above that, click "Installed"
then scroll the results list (it's fully alphabetized) til you get to any and all "linux-image ...." ones and show
tame kiln
stark solar
one moment please
in terminal, unmaximize it, cuz the fonts are so tiny in max mode. do uname -a and show
tame kiln
stark solar
in this window, can you stretch the header divider at the top , toward the right, so it shows the full names of packages please?
and reshow
the tiny line between "package" and "installed version" drag it to right
tame kiln
no problem
stark solar
lovely, ty
well, there's nothing there else but what is already being run, as per uname (your current running kernel)
the little yellow star on the green i think means upgradable (see Help menu> icon legend)
tame kiln
correct
stark solar
I would say try to reboot again. dont touch any key and see if it just works, but before you do that... show result of inxi -Gxxx && mokutil --sb-state
stark solar
just install it
tame kiln
okay
stark solar
once installed, just hit the up arrow key twice n repeat the longer command
tame kiln
stark solar
lol right
hit ctrl-c
let's do it in synaptic cuz it's open
click 'search' in the top right
inxi
find it exactly in the results, and mark for installation, and apply
tame kiln
alright inxi done
stark solar
once installed, just hit the up arrow key twice n repeat the longer command
up a few times
stark solar
one moment. while you wait, please look at the list of all installed packages as you were before in synaptic
status> installed
and notice the status bar at very bottom left
and look thru the icon legend well
tame kiln
are these essential things or everything on my system
tame kiln
i have quite a few that can update. should i?
stark solar
strictly native apps, libraries, modules, kernel(s) etc
i was gonna say update but first, TRY REBOOT. without any recov mode
tame kiln
okay brb
stark solar
just in case it was just a mild onetime glitch
tame kiln
stark solar
dang.
tame kiln
Do i have to revert the kernel?
stark solar
ok reboot with recov as before
there's no other kernel as far as I saw in the synaptic results
how ever, i do recommend to try running it again, click the "mark all upgrades" button in synaptic toolbar
tame kiln
Alright ill do that and restart
stark solar
then definitely read over what it proposes to do when you click Apply. (pop-out the side arrows for info in the "to be ____")
tame kiln
Was a command we did make synaptic able to be searched. I dont see it now
stark solar
?
just find it in ur start menu grid
unless for some reason it didnt save in recov mode
in terminal: whereis synaptic
any progress @tame kiln ?
stark solar
sudo apt update && apt list --upgradable
you did a proper safe reboot using the UI of Pop right?
tame kiln
yea same as last time
stark solar
seems it didnt retain synaptic
tame kiln
process is finished, will a fresh install fix this you think?
stark solar
which i have no idea
stark solar
`sudo apt update && apt list --upgradable`
results?
tame kiln
stark solar
you will note the linux image 6.12 line
try a full update then reboot.
sudo apt upgrade
stark solar
it likely is the recovery mode
i guess Pop has like a built-in live CD
that's why it didn't retain synaptic on reboot
so idk what to tell ya
tame kiln
fresh install?
tame kiln
im fine with that its worth a try i suppose
stark solar
dont forget u may need the boot repair tool again
which if u have the mint ISO on ventoy, u may run it from that if pop wont boot upon reinstall
tame kiln
i had to erase the ventroy because popos installer wouldnt work off it
stark solar
ah
stark solar
then just get it again from online in the live desktop by adding that PPA as u did yesterday
refer to yesterday's ticket
only if it wont boot, anyway
and if you get a new install going, do a timeshift backup right away
before messing with anything at all.
@tame kiln
tame kiln
Heard
stark solar
if Pop OS becomes a headache. just get Tuxedo OS. I think it comes with an option for nvidia also.
tame kiln
It has a reinstall option, should i just not even risk it and just fresh.
Honestly pop worked great for the gaming but my UI was snappier and less buggy on mint.
stark solar
reinstall option should be fine
tame kiln
Reinstall failed, possibly due to hardware
tame kiln
All my stuff is pretty new i doubt i have hardware issues. And yea im on live from usb
stark solar
see in start menu if Disks app is included
tame kiln
It is
stark solar
and show a photo of it with the target SSD showing
tame kiln
stark solar
wow
click the next rectangle 1 gigabyte FAT
does it say EFI system in the text below?
looks like i was right
p2 is a whole recov. "CD"
stark solar
go to dots menu in disks app
tame kiln
ok
tame kiln
stark solar
then install POP
tame kiln
youre going to be so upset
stark solar
.
stark solar
idc
Just that a whole gig for EFI is kinda dumb n wasteful
100 Megs would do, and even then, only one-third gets used
tame kiln
Reinstall seems to have worked.
Im really going yo have the setup phase of linux down packed at this rate
Thanks again for rescuing me stunner.
I still dont really understand what caused this
Besides the gnome magic in my tower
stark solar
Thanks again for rescuing me stunner.
do timeshift save rn immediately
also, this was fun: #1377377077388509204 message
tame kiln
Installing timeshift it doesnt come included
stark solar
sheesh
install synaptic too. it's a good tool
and inxi,
then timeshift snapshot.
tame kiln
also, this was fun: https://discord.com/channels/628978428019736619/137737707738...
Yea this is a game changer and has helped way more than i expected
Unrelated while i install this stuff. Does mint come with this ubuntu pro link? I didnt see it
stark solar
no it doesnt
stark solar
also, this was fun: https://discord.com/channels/628978428019736619/137737707738...
some seriously good info I left you in this ticket
tame kiln
The grub command sudo xed /etc/default/grub doesnt work
stark solar
u can use gedit
tame kiln
Whats that stand for?
stark solar
or install xed and remove gedit
or install mousepad
gedit is gnome's crappy text editor
sudo mousepad /etc/default/grub 😛
nano also works but it's .. TUI
tame kiln
Leta do xed, the gedit came up blank and theres none of the grub menu config lines
stark solar
idk if xed is only in mint repos. try
tame kiln
Mousepad also didnt work
tame kiln
This is what i dont like. I feel like im on a mac
stark solar
sudo nano /etc/default/grub
fyi, you'd actually have to install mousepad for it to work
tame kiln
okay
stark solar
`sudo nano /etc/default/grub`
any progress?
tame kiln
is grub for the UI? because i know popos moved to cosmic rust desktop
stark solar
no grub is bootloader
or idk how u entered recovery mode last time.
maybe it's systemd boot
tame kiln
with esc
shift doesnt work for me
btu it wasnt the same grub menu i saw displayed by mint
tame kiln
no i didnt see that at all
stark solar
and the titlebar at top
tame kiln
it was 3 options in the center of my screen
stark solar
anyway, did u get those couple packages i said, then did timeshift snapshot?
tame kiln
all done
thanks again and again for the future. oddly enough these issues have made me like linux more not less. ive never had to feel stressed about problems that pop up so far because its fixable if that makes sense
stark solar
you got inxi, synaptic, mousepad?
tame kiln
not mousepad
tame kiln
yea
stark solar
if u think it looks like shit with those ugly header bars and cryptic 3line menus, replace it with mousepad
stark solar
'mark for removal' and always read the final proposed summary of what it wants to do
if u see it proposes that removing gedit will remove gnome-shell or gnome-desktop, then of course cancel
the key to not totally fugging ur system is always read what synaptic or apt on CLI proposes to do before giving the final ok
tame kiln
when its asking you to type y or n
stark solar
y is usually capitalized so hitting enter will proceed. if u dont agree, press n, then enter
or ctrl-c to cancel on CLI
I personally prefer synaptic cuz I feel it presents things more clearly
then u got Pop shop for other glammy stuff, but u can also view screenshots in synaptic if they exist for a particular package
tame kiln
is there anything on the app stores you recommend always having besides synaptic
stark solar
hmm
tame kiln
i dont really get too much
ive been messing around with obsidian and bitwarden thats it
stark solar
well, u got Disks app, that's good. psensor is good for graphing ur cpu or temperatures, or gpu activity
the Resources flatpak app is also very good for monitoring GPUs
hardinfo is a nice graphical tool for seeing all your devices and key info on them and the OS
tame kiln
psensors just what i was looking for yesterday
stark solar
Nomacs is a wonderful picture viewer/editor/slideshow app
idk what pop gives.. does it include gthumb?
the equivalent to Pix app on mint.
Clementine and/or Audacious for great music player. especially Clementine if u have a huge music collection and want a nice library finder for songs/albums
tame kiln
its just called image viewer
stark solar
the Kasts flatpak app if u like being able to listen to podcasts from virtually anywhere /source
stark solar
its just called image viewer
in terminal type whereis gthumb
any path results? if so, then it's installed
tame kiln
no path
tame kiln
yea
stark solar
in term. xprop then click the viewer
then look at WM CLASS STRING in the result
that tells u precisely the name of the executable/ program
tame kiln
tame kiln
is that dangerous?
stark solar
you can look it in synaptic
tame kiln
LOTR joke
stark solar
it tells u all about it. turn the details thing on again
prefs> show package details in main window
when u search simply "eog" u can put the search to by name only to narrow it
tame kiln
so wait, theres gedit which is gnomes txt editor and eog which is their image viewer?
stark solar
isn't it apparent?
tame kiln
well im more just trying to understand the ecosystem of things
stark solar
hell, even the disks app is called gnome-disk-utility
you can find out program names using the xprop thing
or going into their 3line/ Help menu> About
tame kiln
its less identifying it as gnome and more me understand this is a suite of programs from a company
stark solar
^ nomacs
tame kiln
i got nomacs
stark solar
it's cool its Panels thing
simply alt-P, then M while viewing an image
u get a nice ribbon
which u can edit what it shows by clicking the ribbon's left secret spot
to show deets like photograph exif date, camera model, etc etc
tame kiln
is this on windows? i think ive used nomacs before
yea, i think i used to use this with krita
stark solar
shift T shows a whole thumbnail gallery of the current folder if images are present
idk if it is cross platform authored
you can also swipe images with the mouse drag
or just use left-right arrows or arrow cursor keys
tame kiln
i gotta cook now, but thanks again stunner. the system monitoring apps i was looking for good ones all yesterday
tame kiln
have a good one
stark solar
i'd say do another timeshift after testing reboot
tame kiln
okay
stark solar
yep shows cpu too