#high school to university grind montage, will need help during that tho.

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timid flume
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YOU'RE BACK

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YOU'RE BACK

drifting wasp
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Usap really needs help

sweet smelt
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Probably saw i and thought "ooo cool what if we made this for positive real numbers"

timid flume
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OMG YORE BACK

drifting wasp
sweet smelt
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Yea no way

tame lynx
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he's 14, maybe 15 now

visual edge
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I would never bully people

timid flume
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no WAY

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?!!?!?

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lemme tell u

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so

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you take 2 points right

sweet smelt
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No shot you learn all that in 1 day

timid flume
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AHA I PROVE U WRONG THEN

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alr anyways

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you take 2 points

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measure the x, y

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for say, the first has 2,1

tame lynx
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measure the what?

timid flume
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the second has 4,2

sweet smelt
timid flume
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measure the x and y axis

tame lynx
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ok, coordinates

timid flume
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no you have to know that I know what that means

sweet smelt
timid flume
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so I'm taking you since the basics

drifting wasp
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Or the abscissa and ordinates

timid flume
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alr see

tame lynx
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sigh... what is the claim?

timid flume
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whatever whatever

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so

sweet smelt
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Kid just go enjoy your holiday

timid flume
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after u take that

drifting wasp
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You learn the names in 8th grade btw.

timid flume
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you

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can

drifting wasp
timid flume
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subtracy and divide

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y2-y1/x2-x1

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but u can go do it in another fancy way

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f(b) -f(a)
b-a

sweet smelt
timid flume
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lemme explain u why it works

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because

tame lynx
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why what works?

timid flume
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the f(b) and f(a)
b-a

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why they're same to y2-y1
X2-x1

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it's a pretty cool thing

sweet smelt
timid flume
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I was confused at first

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but then

drifting wasp
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That's just the definition but alr

tame lynx
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is he getting to mean value theorem?

timid flume
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I thought of it

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that

sweet smelt
timid flume
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f of a can mean y!

drifting wasp
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Yeah

timid flume
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so

sweet smelt
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Unless mean value theorem = gradient

timid flume
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f of b can be y2!

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which is why

sweet smelt
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I've only heard of the name of the theorem, no clue what it actually is

timid flume
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b and a can be x1 and x2

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that's why you still get the slope

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now we go deeper into derivatives

sweet smelt
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And how does this prove you understand anything

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Wait wait wait

timid flume
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there's a cool apostroohe sign

sweet smelt
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Before we do that

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What is slope

timid flume
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you can put to symbolize

timid flume
sweet smelt
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What is gradient?

timid flume
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is the

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uh

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kinda curve or

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discharge

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or

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it moves

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precisely

sweet smelt
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You clearly have no idea what you are saying

tame lynx
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math crackpots come up with all sorts of wild explanations, anything to avoid having to actually put in the hours and learn the concepts and techniques,

please don't be a crackpot, don't use arbitrary fancy words you don't know meaning of monkaS

timid flume
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not a curve but

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like

sweet smelt
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You are merely spouting random words which sound cool

timid flume
sweet smelt
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Nothing you say has any coherent meaning at all

timid flume
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I've learned this from 3 am to 7:30 am yesterday

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no it does

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I think I know what slope means

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slope is like the

drifting wasp
tame lynx
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ok dude, I get that you're just a high school student but you have to stop arguing your point to people who know relevant theory

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you're wasting time

timid flume
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it moves away from a straight line somewhere

dark grail
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Get off discord and get on khan academy

drifting wasp
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Real

timid flume
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and what if I have mistakes

sweet smelt
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I can also say that Fermat's last theorem was proven by firstly converting the problem statement into an elliptic curve, then showing that this subset of elliptic curves are not modular, and then by the Taniyama-Shimura-Weil conjecture a^n+b^n=c^n has no integer solutions

dark grail
sweet smelt
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So either get back to studying or go enjoy your holidays

tame lynx
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you don't have the tools to explain, you don't even have a grasp of elementary logic, please just start from the basics

drifting wasp
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You can't really explain what a slope is because you're not saying what is supposed to be said man

sweet smelt
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Even if they know how to find the gradient

drifting wasp
sweet smelt
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4 hours is not nearly enough time

timid flume
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the person who told me this, told that the actual rigorous definition comes above calculus 2

drifting wasp
dark grail
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Get on khan academy

sweet smelt
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Just because I can find the gradient doesn't mean I can define it

dark grail
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Solve some problems

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You’re wasting time

sweet smelt
tame lynx
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if you're interested in geometry specifically, there's "Introduction to Geometry" by the Art of Problem Solving

sweet smelt
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Is it actually defined as rise/run

tame lynx
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a good place to start

sweet smelt
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No way right

dark grail
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No

sweet smelt
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Yea that's what I was thinking

dark grail
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Study your textbook and khan academy

timid flume
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what is the definition of slope

sweet smelt
timid flume
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I just realized straight lines have slopes

dark grail
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Khan academy would tell you

drifting wasp
timid flume
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no

sweet smelt
timid flume
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someone told me all this

sweet smelt
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I wouldn't call that a definition

drifting wasp
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On my level, the derivative of the function

tame lynx
sweet smelt
dark grail
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.

sweet smelt
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But then again, I don't know the definition

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Usap go play Minecraft or something

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You are clearly not cut out for math

tame lynx
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slope of a line y = ax+b is the real number a

dark grail
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I wouldn’t say that

sweet smelt
dark grail
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You just need to stop wasting time here and actually go learn something

sweet smelt
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No way right

timid flume
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yea that's what the person who taught me told me

dark grail
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Khan academy

tame lynx
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it's equivalent to any definition of a slope of a line

timid flume
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y = mx+b

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where m is the derivative

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also

sweet smelt
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I'd have thought that a rigorous definition would go along the lines of: "the rate of change of y with respect to x"

timid flume
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oh yea

sweet smelt
dark grail
timid flume
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I learnt a bit of that too

tame lynx
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also correct

drifting wasp
timid flume
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so

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when you

dark grail
timid flume
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take a point a

sweet smelt
timid flume
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closer to a point a+m

dark grail
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look

timid flume
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you can get the rate of change

tame lynx
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there's no need to mention derivative in this context if all you're dealing with are straight lines

timid flume
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constantaneous rate of change pretty sure

dark grail
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you only seem to have a vague concept of what you're talking about

timid flume
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no I'm not dealing with straight lines here

tame lynx
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constante whatnow?

dark grail
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you haven't solved any problems

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you don't understand the topic

sweet smelt
dark grail
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you won't pass an exam on calculus

tame lynx
dark grail
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start here

timid flume
sweet smelt
tame lynx
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@timid flume you are not learning anything like this

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please stop wasting your time

dark grail
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ehh he just needs to stop wasting time trying to tackle topics he doesn't have the foundations for

visual edge
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Teach usap geometry speedrun

drifting wasp
sweet smelt
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We have been dumping 4000 messages of information and resources on this guy

sweet smelt
tame lynx
timid flume
sweet smelt
timid flume
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I learnt this a bit too

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slope of sacant lines

dark grail
sweet smelt
timid flume
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when u move a point a closer to a+m

dark grail
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learn this first

drifting wasp
sweet smelt
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How does that prove you understand anything

timid flume
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and he explained it clearly to me

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but he said it's too complicatef

tame lynx
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you weren't taught anything

visual edge
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He has the spirit to learn it's just misdirected

drifting wasp
sweet smelt
drifting wasp
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That you understand

timid flume
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I can calculate it

sweet smelt
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If he had the spirit to learn he'd have learned something by now

drifting wasp
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You need to do problems, to understand maths

tame lynx
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you really don't have to explain elementary geometry to me

timid flume
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I did

timid flume
sweet smelt
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Btw are any of you in the main discord

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Literally the first animation that half the people make are about slope and gradient

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Because of the moving points

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Very good animation material

drifting wasp
dark grail
timid flume
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discord .gg/ math

dark grail
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if the answer is no, you haven't learnt anything

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get on khan academy

sweet smelt
timid flume
sweet smelt
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Stupid autocorrect

sweet smelt
dark grail
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for highschool stuff yes

tame lynx
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for basic concepts and worked examples, yes

sweet smelt
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Ahhh fair enough

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Ngl I don't get why kids complain high school math is hard lol

tame lynx
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I can say from experience that beginner students benefit more from working through examples

sweet smelt
tame lynx
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so they see the techniques

sweet smelt
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Ofc ofc

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I agree

dark grail
sweet smelt
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How so

timid flume
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see I'm not complaining that high school math is hard

dark grail
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people say math is hard, so they go into it thinking math is hard, so when there is inevitably something they don't understand its a lot easier to give up

timid flume
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I'm complaining that it's not hard enough for 8 hours a day

sweet smelt
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Ahhhh

tame lynx
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we're trying to bring proofs back in high school math

sweet smelt
dark grail
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can you solve any of those problems

tame lynx
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cuz right now high school math is a joke

sweet smelt
tame lynx
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and has no connection to what math is about

timid flume
sweet smelt
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And kids are still complaining smh

dark grail
dark grail
sweet smelt
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Thoughts on homeschooling

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If I ever have kids I don't want them to learn high school math

dark grail
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some basic proofs by contradiction/induction etc

sweet smelt
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That stuff sucks

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I wanna teach them math myself lol

dark grail
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but realistically high school maths doesn't need to be that advanced since the majority of people will never use anything beyond 8th grade anyways

drifting wasp
sweet smelt
sweet smelt
tame lynx
sweet smelt
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Literally any STEM field requires math

sweet smelt
dark grail
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yes but many don't go into stem

sweet smelt
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I remember seeing a toilet example for contrapositive

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That was really funny

sweet smelt
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I'd have thought 40-60% end up in STEM

dark grail
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no point trying to force an aspiring graphic designer or something to learn advanced transforms or something

sweet smelt
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Half in STEM half in SHAPE

tame lynx
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for example yes, to learn to negate statements

sweet smelt
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Also trig and angles and stuff are all important in drawing

tame lynx
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maybe even introduce quantified statements to high schoolers

dark grail
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well only what

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35% of UK students go to uni i think?

sweet smelt
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Fr?

dark grail
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so if 50% of them are in stem then what

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17% would need higher mathematics in what they study/do

sweet smelt
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Yk that would explain the gap between population and uni space

dark grail
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which is an entirely inefficient use of school time

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like don't get me wrong

timid flume
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hey

dark grail
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i'm doing my masters in engineering so i've done plenty of maths

timid flume
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I don't think I got to that part of d/dx

sweet smelt
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I thought 90% of the workforce has a degree

inner pulsar
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Huh?

timid flume
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only know to calculate basic slope formula guess

tame lynx
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they don't have to proceed to a stem field, a grasp on basic logic and reasoning is beneficial to anyone

sweet smelt
dark grail
sweet smelt
dark grail
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i.e need to go into work/apprenticeships to make a living

sweet smelt
dark grail
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not really

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a lot of families need their kids to start working immediately

sweet smelt
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How can 90% of the workforce have degrees, while only 40% of the population goes into uni

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With the remaining 60% working without degrees

dark grail
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like going to uni and making little to no income while having to pay off a degree, living fees etc is just not financially possible for many

tame lynx
sweet smelt
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Yes ofc ofc but how can 60% of the population work without a degree, but 90% of the population have a degree

dark grail
sweet smelt
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Oh what the heck-

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Dang what's happening in the UK

dark grail
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i think the stat you're thinking of

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is

tame lynx
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emigration?

dark grail
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90% of people who graduate with first class degrees get employed

sweet smelt
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Hmmmmm

dark grail
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but the economy is tough nowadays

tame lynx
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well once you have your degree why would you want to live in the uk, it's wet there even when it's dry

sweet smelt
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Idk... Do you know the famous Dartmouth graduation speech

tame lynx
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get your degree = freedom

sweet smelt
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Was it Dart or Dartmouth

dark grail
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my girlfriend had to work part time through highschool to save money to pay for her uni accom

sweet smelt
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The guy said "Congratulations on your degree, you are now better than 8% of the population"

dark grail
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💀

sweet smelt
tame lynx
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this shit is ridiculous 😂

dark grail
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maybe lol

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i also think it's a bit of a dick thing to say icl

tame lynx
sweet smelt
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Ok not "better"

visual edge
dark grail
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hahaha nah it's just a quip

sweet smelt
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I'm paraphrasing

dark grail
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yeah yeah i get you

tame lynx
sweet smelt
dark grail
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ehh maybe he was talking out his ass idk

visual edge
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Usap just talks a lot but it can be watered down to idk

sweet smelt
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Aha I found it

tame lynx
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yapper of the day incoming, stand by

sweet smelt
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Look up Conan O'Brien Dartmouth 2011

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"Today you have achieved something special. Something only 92% of Americans your age will ever know"

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Ohhhh college diploma

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Not degree

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Whoopsies

visual edge
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What's the difference

tame lynx
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im fucking dying here XD

sweet smelt
sweet smelt
timid flume
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guys

dark grail
timid flume
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I think I comprehend

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f'(x)

tame lynx
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oh brother..

timid flume
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tell me

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any f(x)

tame lynx
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about what

timid flume
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f(x) =

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give me a thing to put there

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I'll find u my derivative

tame lynx
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your mom

visual edge
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9x

timid flume
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okay 9x

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No log

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9x seems good enough for now

sweet smelt
timid flume
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Alright

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so

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how we calculate is

sweet smelt
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Ok so that makes like a lot more sense

timid flume
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first we get the formula here

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f'(x) =

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lim as h approaches 0

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f(x+h) - f(x)
by h

tame lynx
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$$\frac{d}{dx}\mathrm{your_mom}(x) = \lim _{\mathrm{booze}\to 0} \frac{\mathrm{your_mom}(x+\mathrm{booze} - \mathrm{your_mom}(x))}{|\mathrm{booze}|}$$

timid flume
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alright we got the formula

visual edge
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For the love of God 1 msg

timid flume
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right

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now

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how do we

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Go ahead and proceed

sweet smelt
timid flume
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what really does that formula do

sweet smelt
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Das funi

dark grail
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well

inner pulsar
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What’s the derivative of 9x?

dark grail
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it would be a lot easier to explain

inner pulsar
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@timid flume

timid flume
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we must understand

timid flume
visual edge
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Yapper

dark grail
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if you had any knowledge of functions, graphs etc first

timid flume
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okay so

visual edge
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Use mspaint

timid flume
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we must understand

inner pulsar
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Do it in one message

timid flume
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f (x+h) what that really means

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for 9x

timid flume
tame lynx
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if f(x) = 9x, then f(x+h) = 9(x+h), that's all

inner pulsar
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Don’t tell him

visual edge
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I have neurology classes soon

tame lynx
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sigh..

visual edge
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Like 13 minutes

tame lynx
sweet smelt
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I come here cuz it's funny lol

visual edge
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Same

inner pulsar
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4374 messages, holy fuck

dark grail
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look, you want to get through highscool fast?

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click on this link and go through the topics

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easiest way

tame lynx
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6k messages by tomorrow

timid flume
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f(x+h) - f(x)
by h
in this case is gonna be 9(x+h) - 9x
or we can do, 9x + 9h -9x / h
cancel out, you get 9h/h or 9

inner pulsar
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I’ll be damned

timid flume
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the f'(x) for f(x) = 9x is equal to 9

tame lynx
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unless we get lucky and a mod force closes this topic, the information density here is flat zero

dark grail
timid flume
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I see

inner pulsar
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Limit

timid flume
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OH YEA

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h approaches 0

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shit forgot about that

dark grail
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you need to remember that 9(h/h) is 9 in the limit of h -> 0 but not 0

timid flume
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yea my bad

dark grail
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that doesn't matter

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do this

tame lynx
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here are a couple of fun ones

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$$\lim _{x\to 0} \frac{1}{x^3}\qquad \lim _{x\to 0}\frac{1}{x^2}$$

ionic mortarBOT
inner pulsar
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$f'(x) = \lim_{h \to 0} \frac{f(x+h) - f(x)}{h}$

visual edge
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We need a thread on not making questions overly difficult that it encompasses all of maths

ionic mortarBOT
inner pulsar
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@timid flume

timid flume
timid flume
inner pulsar
tame lynx
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one of them exists

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the other doesn't

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limits can also be infinite

inner pulsar
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Then +inf

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For the second one

tame lynx
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correct

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it's a standard trap I set to fresh calc students

dark grail
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thats pretty cool tbh lol

visual edge
inner pulsar
timid flume
# ionic mortar **aL**

f'(x) = lim h approaches 0, 1( -x² +h) - -x² / h
So x² +h + x²/ h
it's just 2 x² which I don't feel is logical

dark grail
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it isn't

tame lynx
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i didn't ask for derivative

inner pulsar
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Huh?

tame lynx
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just the limit

visual edge
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No

dark grail
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even if you were calculating the derivative

inner pulsar
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Yeah, still wrong

dark grail
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you made so many mistakes on so many layers

tame lynx
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there's no reason to calculate derivative, because neither function is even defined at 0, let alone continuous

inner pulsar
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Do you know about algebraic identities?

dark grail
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you didn't understand indices, so $1/x \neq -x$

inner pulsar
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@timid flume

ionic mortarBOT
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┬┴┬┴┤(･_├┬┴┬┴

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timid flume
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oh SHIT

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SHIT

tame lynx
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yes

dark grail
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you don't understand the binomial theorem, since $(x+h)^2 \neq (x^2+h)$

ionic mortarBOT
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┬┴┬┴┤(･_├┬┴┬┴

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visual edge
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Yh

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Who wrote that

timid flume
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binomial theorem

dark grail
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even if you got the indices part right

timid flume
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hmmm

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indices

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indices

dark grail
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you don't understand the binomial theorem to know how it generalises to negative numbers

timid flume
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ah I see

dark grail
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you don't know combinatorics so you can't understand the binomial theorem

timid flume
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so no negative numbers for me

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alr

dark grail
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you don't understand factorials so you can't understand combinatorics

timid flume
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I understand factorials but

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not really combinatorics

dark grail
inner pulsar
dark grail
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no

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everything before that

tame lynx
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it's too much to type out, you have to start from the basics, at best right now you know how to do some basic arithmetic

inner pulsar
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Also, @timid flume, do you know algebraic identities?

timid flume
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well

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no-?

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maybe some

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but no

inner pulsar
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what is a^3 - b^3 ?

timid flume
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no idea

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a³ - b³?

visual edge
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Lmao

inner pulsar
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(a+b)^2?

tame lynx
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oh how fun, geometric progressions

timid flume
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yea

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a² + 2ab + b²

tame lynx
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that is correct

timid flume
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yay

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okay

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today

visual edge
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He can factorise

timid flume
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I learn trigonometry and geormetrics and algebra for 9th and 10th

inner pulsar
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All of it?

timid flume
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all of ut

tame lynx
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did you win?

inner pulsar
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You would know a^3 - b^3 if u did

timid flume
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somewhere there's gonna be 12 hours videos on it right

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if I learn that

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then I'd know that

dark grail
tame lynx
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how about not worrying about the videos

timid flume
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the videos are

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basically about the books

tame lynx
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read a textbook and try to solve the problems given there

timid flume
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but by humans

dark grail
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khan academy has videos

tame lynx
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and solve them on your own

visual edge
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Huge

timid flume
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u feel like a khan academy ad to me

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but alr I'll check it out

dark grail
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it's the best way for you to learn

visual edge
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We shill books

dark grail
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cause you're just wasting everyone's time here

timid flume
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if everyone's time is wasting, then no one's time is wasting

inner pulsar
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No

dark grail
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💀

inner pulsar
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Not how that works

visual edge
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Close this thread and do it on a specific topic bc we have no idea how to help you

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Class in 1m

tame lynx
inner pulsar
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Close it when it gets to 5,000

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Messages

timid flume
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no this thread needs to be becuz by may 31st I am gonna learn guaranteed all the way 11th, 10th and 9th grade

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AND I'LL PROVE ALL OF YOU WEONG

visual edge
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No ur not bottom omega

tame lynx
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i'll ask this topic to be closed, there's no progress here

inner pulsar
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I don’t think you should do that

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@timid flume

timid flume
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okay but what if do

visual edge
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U won't

timid flume
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also there's progress here

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14 days ago I didn't know what slopes mean

tame lynx
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<@&1283689826742440016> senseless time waste, no mathematical discussion, ill-use of help channel <@&954706832537034772>

timid flume
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14 days after I have the basic meaning of it

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and slowly I'm progreesing

visual edge
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Teacher late lol

inner pulsar
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Yeah, but that’s just one concept

timid flume
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which means

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I can learn others too

inner pulsar
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A fairly basic one too

timid flume
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if I learn one I learn many

inner pulsar
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Go for it I guess

tame lynx
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you're only talking about the things you're gonna do

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in actuality you achieve nothing

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less talking, more action

timid flume
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let's see

naive narwhal
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@timid flume I get that you're ambitious but as aL said, the help channels are not really meant for extensive discussions

dark grail
naive narwhal
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I also request you to close this chat

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If you want to discuss, check out #1018223258228760617

timid flume
tame lynx
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you need years, not days or months

naive narwhal
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That has little to do with my point

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Check out other threads, everyone asks targeted questions on specific problems

timid flume
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yeah

naive narwhal
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This chat has been ongoing for too long

tame lynx
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it's not a weekend vacation, it's a state of mind that you have goals and you want to achieve them

timid flume
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I ask on my way on

naive narwhal
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Don't, make 1 post per problem you need help with

timid flume
inner pulsar
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Can’t u close it?

naive narwhal
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If you are stuck on a geometry exercise, you make a post detailing what you are stuck on and what you have done

inner pulsar
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Miguel

naive narwhal
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Idk if I can anymore

inner pulsar
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Anymore?

naive narwhal
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I can try but I'd rather the poster does it themselves

inner pulsar
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Ah

timid flume
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alr is there a way I can keep this thread open

naive narwhal
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No

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You can revisit it if you have a link, even after it is closed

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But it would be best to close it regardless

timid flume
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now now what if I edit the titles and tags each time I learn something and have questions

naive narwhal
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Still, no

timid flume
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why not

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it's basically the same

naive narwhal
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Use the help threads the way they are intended to be used

visual edge
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And I was sent to the library

tame lynx
naive narwhal
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^

timid flume
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what if

tame lynx
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what if you read the rules?

timid flume
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I have doubts on many topics

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what if that

visual edge
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Please just do a specific topic

naive narwhal
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No, dude just respect other people trying to help you

timid flume
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:(

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okay what if

naive narwhal
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The more targeted questions are, the more likely you are to receive targeted help

visual edge
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No what ifs

tame lynx
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you're not special, fall in line and follow the rules like everyone else

inner pulsar
naive narwhal
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If you don't wanna, then no one will actually want to help you

timid flume
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okay but what if I require help of understanding calculus derivatives formulas?

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that's specific enough

naive narwhal
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Then you make a post about it

visual edge
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Please create a thread about it

timid flume
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this is the poste of it

naive narwhal
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You point out the formula and your questions about it

inner pulsar
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No it isn’t

timid flume
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what if I edit it

naive narwhal
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Just stop it

timid flume
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shhhhhheeesh uh

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one more day?

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just one more day

inner pulsar
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Do you have emotional attachment to this thread?

visual edge
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No more pls

tame lynx
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nothing will change

naive narwhal
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No, I am closing this circus today

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Whether you like it or not

visual edge
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Thank you Miguel

dark grail
timid flume
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alr just one sec

tame lynx
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you will earn a lot of blocks, just a heads up @timid flume

naive narwhal
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Or you can be respectful to your potential future helpers and do as they say

visual edge
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Did you block usap?

tame lynx
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starting with mine

visual edge
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@timid flume rat the problem with this thread was it was too much

tame lynx
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it's been like 5k messages and there's virtually no progress in math comprehension