high school to university grind montage, will need help during that tho.

[timid flume]

so this isn't a " How much happiness " Equation

but more like a " What do you feel happy about at the aftermath of your life "

and that is why there's a striked out triangle on top of H in the first equation which means it's the happiness that happened and thoughts.

And the H has a non striked out triangle at the second equation meaning it's what you consider happy after it all.

which basically says, Consideration of Happiness | for You = zeta of the events and thoughts throughout your life

now what does zeta mean? zeta means what you think of that after it all

the zeta doesn't affect whether it should be added to the happiness thoughts factor.
it does give out happiness or sadness or regret but we aren't focusing on that in the second equation

we are focusing on what you consider happy

after the events from your birth which u can remember or think of, till the current present you live in

@final bolt this is what that equation means and I think I can calculate the world's happiness by this

But also a thin line difference is why happiness matters. Which is why I am calculating it only for humans who actually think of it rather than for animals who might feel it but don't acknowledge their existence

[timid flume]

for example, cows love eating grass and they feel happy by it. but why I'm not including that is, cows may or may not remember that they ate grass and they were happy of it. I don't think they generally have thoughts at all other than survival based

[visual edge]

I thought this was about maths

[timid flume]

this was but I got a thought of another deep thinking concept

and thought it would be cool to make a theory out of it

because the idea came to me when

someone said

the world is full of suffering

[visual edge]

For greek the letters there's around 52

[timid flume]

I said " What you consider sad, might be happy for someone else "

[timid flume]

yeah, I use them because I don't like them and know that I can use them however I want because they're just fancy variables

[timid flume]

For example, if u think doing a crime or eating an animal is sad and suffering

the person who's doing that might not

[visual edge]

I'm writing a .txt for you to explain it

[timid flume]

Some Serial killers said they felt happy about it

[timid flume]

oh thanks

but really it's not worth it

It's an equation to derive happiness amount

but u can't really do it with mathematical precision

because u can't accurately remember all your happy thoughts

and more accurately not for 8 billion people

[timid flume]

thanks

[visual edge]

These are the ones I know might not be all of it

[final bolt]

I have no idea what you are trying to do

[timid flume]

I explained it in simple English tho-

with telling each aspect of the equation

js read it all

I'm sure you'd get the gist

If u have a doubt tho ask it

[visual edge]

Oh I read it, it didn't make sense at a conceptual framework level.

[timid flume]

how so?

what do you think is conceptually illogical there

[visual edge]

There's no formula for happiness.

[timid flume]

but

that is

see because

how you experience happiness

is either by the five senses

Or in your mind by thoughts and thinking

and I add them both, and refer them to where they really start

[visual edge]

I feel like this energy can be really good if you directed it at learning greek symbols for future use

[final bolt]

This seems like gibberish to me you can’t mathematically describe « happiness », you can maybe do so physically, but that also depends, how do you define happiness ?

[timid flume]

happiness is what you think to be uh fun and good and smile, I can't express it right in words but we as humans can feel it.

[visual edge]

Neurology is a complicated thing that cannot be taught to a minor

[timid flume]

I mean.. it could but I don't really think that happiness is fundamentally different from experiences and thoughts of it

[timid flume]

Greek symbols are all really just variables tho

the different topics have different uses to them

[visual edge]

Very useful to know their predefined function for university

[timid flume]

for example lambda means wavelength or something else depending on the context

I don't think I need to pre learn the contexts

when they come in equations the writer or explainer would tell me about what they mean by that symbol

but anyways

this was just a thought I had

thanks for reading it

ima go focus on maths now

[visual edge]

Question, do you know how to do algebra

[timid flume]

uh yes

I'm learning to

recently learned about linear equations

in 2 variables

[visual edge]

So you know about binomial theorem, functions, law of operations?

[timid flume]

No but I think I know what a function can mean

law of operations, somewhat

[visual edge]

Let's go over that

[dark grail]

You should start with that lol

[timid flume]

binomial theorem sounds fancy so id want u to give an example of what u mean

[timid flume]

yea I am

[dark grail]

Okok look

[visual edge]

Let's just do operations first

[timid flume]

while I was doing that

[dark grail]

Maths isn’t about being fancy

[timid flume]

yes

it's about concepts

and the how of it

but the things to explain that concept

i.e greek letters and formula names

sound fancy

[dark grail]

They shouldn’t

[visual edge]

2+3⋅6, whats the answer for this how do you apply the parentheses

[timid flume]

okay but whatever u say, something called " Advanced cartesian product " Sounds fancy to me

the topic or concept over which it goes for maybe doesn't.

but the name does

[dark grail]

It wouldn’t if you understood it

[timid flume]

yes I know, the topic it says isn't fancy

but the name-

[timid flume]

well depends

u can do (2+3) times 6

you'd do 6 times 2 and 6 times 3 and add both constants

and if u do 2 + (3 times 6)

it'd be 2 times 18

or would it

maybe I think I'm wrong

okay maybe not

because the first gives 30

[buoyant trail]

I would say that the name is purely descriptive, but there's actually no such thing as the "Advanced cartesian product", at least as far as I'm aware. Just the Cartesian product; which is named in allegory to the Cartesian plane (i.e. RxR, an example of a Cartesian product), which in turn is simply named for Rene Descartes.

[dark grail]

Aka, multiplication

[timid flume]

yea I know, it's not a big deal to me some things' names sound fancy

[buoyant trail]

No, not quite.

Basically, the cartesian product is a way to take one thing from one set and another from another set.

(Or, two things from one set, in order - like coordinates)

[timid flume]

I mean, cantor diagonalisation proof sounds fancy to me but what it goes through doesn't seem anything fancy-

like

it's not a big deal okay?

[visual edge]

bro hes 14

[buoyant trail]

It is a proof by drawing a diagonal line, invented by Cantor.

[timid flume]

I know

[buoyant trail]

Oh whoops, I misread that as being a response to me.

[timid flume]

the rational number u add one to each digit of the order

etc.. Etc..

the topic isn't fancy to me

it's cool I like it but

the sound of the name

is what I'm talking about

not the topic of what it covers

[buoyant trail]

As this.

[dark grail]

It was, I meant it more in a day-to-day use case

I study engineering, I’m no theoretical mathematician haha

[visual edge]

@buoyant trail hes 14 he wont understand the words you're using

[timid flume]

anyways uh it was fun seeing y'all once more, I think I'm back on track because I found some YouTube videos which cover topics in one shot and explain me informally so I actually understand it

[buoyant trail]

He also can't understand the words that he's using.

[timid flume]

no I do

[tall surge]

more like moderator stuff😊

[timid flume]

alright here's cantors diagonalisation proof

the rational numbers between 0 and 1 on one side

and natural nunbers on the left

[buoyant trail]

Anyway; this brings us actually to something that I've noticed, that I think you need to cut out if you're going to do this.

[timid flume]

draw a line like a table

uh

doing what?

[visual edge]

which is why you should use laymen terms

[timid flume]

u mean the happiness theorem

[buoyant trail]

You seem more interested in the aesthetic of being a smart person who knows math, than in the actual math itself. i.e., you don't seem to find the process of doing or learning math enjoyable; you just seem to want the instant gratification of knowing all of the math.

[timid flume]

no what huh

I am doing this on the soul purpose of the concept

on the side ways I feel some things are fancy

[visual edge]

whats 1+2⋅3

[timid flume]

depends on where u put the bracket

it can be 3 times 3

or 1 + 6

[buoyant trail]

Cut it out. Don't pick hobbies based on optics. Do the things that you think are fun because they're fun to you, not because they're things that some guy in some YouTube video said that smart people like to do.

[timid flume]

seriously I'm not doing this because I wanna feel smart in front of some discord people

the happiness idea to me came naturally and it seemed fun to think about

[dark grail]

It’s convention to do multiplication before addition

[timid flume]

that's why I came here

[timid flume]

I see

[sweet smelt]

what is it this time

[dark grail]

i.e, it’s a “rule” which everyone just uses since it makes everyone’s life easier

[timid flume]

then u dont need a bracket if u want 7 as answer

[dark grail]

No, but it’s still better to for clarity anyways

[buoyant trail]

If you found the process of learning and doing mathematics enjoyable unto itself; you would have taken my advice a week ago when I said to drop the ridiculous timeline you're imposing, and to just read Lang's Basic Mathematics. You would have been entirely self-motivated to read that book and do the exercises, instead of this ridiculousness that you're doing now

[visual edge]

@timid flume f(x) = 2x, what would f(x) be if x was 4 in the coordinates

[sweet smelt]

lmaooo

[timid flume]

I loved the topics of what it thought

but

[sweet smelt]

you've been very much a lot more patient than techie has mr pear

[timid flume]

the way of learning that i.e sitting on my desk feeling sinister

[buoyant trail]

Fancy words and some crackpottery. #1364337781102612702 message is where I showed up, no clue what was going on beforehand.

[timid flume]

is not something I liked

[dark grail]

Unfortunately that’s a lot of maths haha

[visual edge]

is it against the rules to tell the mods to go fuck themselves

[sweet smelt]

then you don't like math

[timid flume]

I'm more focusing on YouTube videos now

[buoyant trail]

Not at all.

[timid flume]

they actually are humans

[visual edge]

go fuck urself

[timid flume]

who talk the concepts

[sweet smelt]

why would you say that tho

[buoyant trail]

Tell me to go fuck myself all you want.

[visual edge]

@timid flume f(x) = 2x, what would f(x) be if x was 4 in the coordinates

[sweet smelt]

idk about that tho

[timid flume]

uh it would be 8 in the 8 axis right? and 4 in the x

[buoyant trail]

Telling someone to go fuck themselves isn't excessive swearing rudeness or harassment; it's lighthearted joshing around.

[visual edge]

can you rewrite the formula to fit the graph up to 15

[sweet smelt]

I would argue that depends on the context but sure

[timid flume]

okay let me try

alright it starts from 0

and side ways till 15 and upways till 15

so

x is 4

[buoyant trail]

Sure. I suppose it also helps that my natural dialect is to swear like a fucking sailor, so it really just doesn't bother me at all.

[timid flume]

but f(x) is 2x

so that's 8 if x is 4

now it's four by the right side and 8 by the up side

so it's about 4 blocks right side to the 8 number on the y axis

that should probably be f of x

[sweet smelt]

lmaooooooooooo okok

what country are you from

[timid flume]

right?

uh

Pirates of the carribean

[visual edge]

wrong, f(15) = 2x

[timid flume]

oh

u are telling me

ohhhh

f of 15 is 2 x

so x is 7.5

hmm

[visual edge]

no

[timid flume]

what do u mean then

[visual edge]

f(x), replace the variable to 15 15x2= 30

[timid flume]

oh ohk

so x is not 4

but 15

u couldve told that

but anyways so if it's 30

[buoyant trail]

I've sort of moved around a lot.

[timid flume]

Then it's 15 blocks right side and 30 blocks upside

thats f of x

[sweet smelt]

oh ok

[timid flume]

the 15th block of the 30th block

[visual edge]

(a+b)(a+b) = a^2 + 2ab + b^2, what formula is this?

[timid flume]

in x and y axis similarly

[buoyant trail]

Knowing the names of formulae might be the worst thing to try to drill into someone.

[timid flume]

uh

to find a square times b square

[dark grail]

I don’t know the name of that formula lol

[timid flume]

I just found my favorite way of learning this today by YouTube one shot videos

[visual edge]

bimoreofthemtextbooks

[timid flume]

so I don't really know much yet

[dark grail]

I think that name refers to the more general case

[sweet smelt]

heck even I don't know what that's called

[visual edge]

its binormal theorem

[dark grail]

n doesn’t have to be 2

[visual edge]

don't think telling the kid [
\binom{n}{k} = \frac{n!}{k!(n-k)!}
] is the best way rn

[sweet smelt]

are you sure

[ionic mortar]

Bravo

[timid flume]

hey

don't worry about it

[buoyant trail]

And I don't think lying to them is the best thing to do either. That's a special case of the binomial theorem, but it's not the binomial theorem.

[timid flume]

I'll learn things soon

[dark grail]

Look ok easiest way to do it

Pick up your school textbook

[timid flume]

I don't even know how to properly do graphs yet

[dark grail]

Google the topics or whatever in there however you want

Come here to ask if you have any questions

[timid flume]

and since I don't like textbook reading that much, I'm focusing on YouTube videos of people who are lecturing subjects

[timid flume]

yeah alright

[sweet smelt]

if you wanted to learn, you would've learned by now

[buoyant trail]

Not everything, certainly. But some progress would have been made every day, especially given the sheer volume of resources that I provided earlier.

[dark grail]

Then just search those topics in YouTube or something you’ll get way further than whatever this all is

[timid flume]

yeah..

I told I was doing that

starting from a few hours ago

[dark grail]

Right

So what topics did you look over on YouTube so far

[visual edge]

so if you're learning graphs do you do y=mx+b yet?

[timid flume]

so a few hours ago I came across a random guy explaining about pair of linear equations in two variables

and I liked the way he did it

so

I am grasping something faster there than just reading books on my own

[dark grail]

What topic is that in your textbook

[timid flume]

uh

I don't know

but it's one of the chapters

in 9th or 10th grade

and it's pretty key to algebra

[dark grail]

Which grade are you in again?

[timid flume]

no not yet

[timid flume]

Started 9th

but only went 3 days so far

but anyways

I shouldn't be wastjng time here

[dark grail]

What’s the very first chapter in your textbook

[timid flume]

rational and irrational numbers

[visual edge]

Write the number four thousand sixty two in figures

[dark grail]

Are there exercise questions?

[timid flume]

4062

definary something related to binary or you'd tell me to do something

[timid flume]

what

[visual edge]

Write these numbers in order of size starting with the smallest number:
75, 56, 37, 9, 59

[dark grail]

In the textbook

[timid flume]

yeah

there are

[dark grail]

Do those

[timid flume]

eccirsice quetoons

I don't wanna do those

yet

because

[dark grail]

Do them

[timid flume]

I wanna learn conceptd before doing excierces

[dark grail]

Watch a YouTube video on irrational numbers first then

Then do the questions

Then come back if there’s something you don’t understand

[timid flume]

9,39,56,59,75

[timid flume]

alr bye.

[visual edge]

Where does the number with the red arrow point to?

[sweet smelt]

trololololololololo

[buoyant trail]

What's the point of this?

[visual edge]

To figure out what he learned

[dark grail]

Brother he’s 14 not a chimp lol

Besides strictly speaking that number line could mean anything

Shits wonky

Lol

[visual edge]

I made it in mspaint okay

[dark grail]

Hahaha it’s fine I’m just kidding

He’s in 9th grade just assume 9th grade

[buoyant trail]

Could be a 14 year old chimp. Some of them have proven to be quite intelligent, like Nim Chimpsky.

[dark grail]

Toeing a line there given he’s Indian

[buoyant trail]

I don't think I knew that.

[dark grail]

I jest

Hahaha I apologise

[visual edge]

It'll be good if we don't make assumptions about people's intelligence

[dark grail]

I think he mentioned that earlier

[buoyant trail]

Probably, but this thread has over 3,000 comments.

[sweet smelt]

well we don't have to assume when they keep talking

that gives you an idea of their intelligence

[buoyant trail]

We don't need to. The kid is able to write basic proofs (e.g., the sum of two even numbers is even). They almost certainly know basic arithmetic and the basics of manipulating algebraic expressions.

[visual edge]

The questions will get harder and harder as we progress

[urban valley]

Dude its always a blast to read a thread by Usap.

[wary kindle]

fr

[final bolt]

It is pretty entertaining ngl

[sweet smelt]

Ikr

Btw I just found another kid who wants to invent math

But this guy just seems to wanna invent math for the sake of inventing math, not because he wants to take over the world or skip school or anything

[buoyant trail]

I know several kids who have done actual real research in their teenage years.

It is very doable.

They're just the ones who are intrinsically passionate about the subject rather than only wanting the aesthetic of looking like a smart math person without doing effort

[sweet smelt]

Lmaooo

Mr Pear are you religious

[buoyant trail]

I have some spiritual/occult practices, but nothing really resembling organized religion.

[sweet smelt]

Lmaooo okok

[buoyant trail]

A bit of tarot, some goetia

[sweet smelt]

If someone asked you "what is math" how would you answer

Would you say math is a religion/belief system?

[buoyant trail]

Baby don't hurt me, don't hurt me, no more

[sweet smelt]

Lmaooooooo

Are you familiar with SoME

I'm considering making a video quite literally about what math is

[buoyant trail]

I am. I was originally thinking I'd do something this summer on amenable groups (possibly via banach-tarski), but I might put it off until next year

[sweet smelt]

Ooo ok

This year they're prioritising student-friendly content

[sweet smelt]

And I think this is the most beginner friendly topic in existence

I believe that many kids hate math due to certain misconceptions of what math is and how one deals with it

[thorny folio]

That's definitely true

[buoyant trail]

Okay, so my serious answer here is sort of two or three different answers, standing on eachother's shoulders, in a trench coat.

[thorny folio]

Not even kids, so many people get into maths studies because they liked calculating integrals, and they hate It now

[sweet smelt]

Lmaoooooo

[buoyant trail]

What I tell my students is that while I may be teaching them about sines and cosines, that's really just artifice. What I most want them to take away from it is the problem-solving skills that they learn by solving trig problems, of starting with an intractible problem and figuring out how to break it down into smaller, more managable steps.

It's being done via trigenometry, but the soft skill is more important. Like how athletes run laps and lift weights even though they play some team sport that's neither of those.

As far as "real math", like what you and I do, is concerned - I would give two different answers. One is that it's sort of a mixture of solving a puzzle and creating a work of art at once, at least vibes-wise. Like, solving a sudoku is a good example of the puzzle-solving aspect; but now imagine that you have a sudoku where your standard strategies don't work, so you invent a new one.

Another answer is that it's something of a social activity. Math is the thing that I talk about with my advisor once or twice a week, it's the thing in the seminars I attend, in the books and papers I read and write. Which is to say, math is the activity itself, in a social context; i.e. math is the process of writing a proof, not the completed proof itself.

[sweet smelt]

Mmm that's a rather abstract take

What do you think of something like this

To me, math is a philosophy, a belief system, to some extent even a religion. It's the oldest story in human history, developed by millions of people over thousands of years. Math shares many similarities to religion, both are grounded in statements without proofs (axioms), both derive everything that follows from these statements, and both can be used in decision making. Unlike religion, the statements chosen for math are not arbitrary, but chosen because they lead to predictable outcomes. At the end of the day, math does not exist in the real world, it's just a story that we tell ourselves, like an art of sorts. It just so happens that this story is useful in decision making and the survival of our species

[sweet smelt]

You appear to be talking about the artistic aspects of math, which is fine, but what do you think of the philosophy of math

[sweet smelt]

I think this would be helpful in convincing kids why math is important and why they should learn math and also hopefully change their perspective on math, to view it as a humanities subject rather than a science subject

[buoyant trail]

If you're going with this route, I would recommend reading up on some religious studies texts.

[sweet smelt]

Ah yea good point, as an atheist I don't really know too much about religion

[buoyant trail]

I've taken three religious studies courses in UG (I considered minoring in it my first year) and they always spent like half the time talking about, "how do you define religion?"

[sweet smelt]

Ooo how interesting

[buoyant trail]

Give me a sec to look for some of my old textbooks. The only courses I really remember were the ones on Asian religion and on religious extremism because the third one was during that fucking awful covid semester that turned online halfway through.

[sweet smelt]

Ok

[buoyant trail]

Okay, so if I'm remembering right from like 7 years ago, Nongbri Before Religion and Josephson The Invention of Religion in Japan both talked extensively about what religion even is.

Maybe Bellah's American Civil Religion did too? I can't remember it super well. It might still be useful to cite if you want an academic context supporting a wider perspective on what can count as a religion, though.

I just counted the years and oh holy fuck, I'm old.

[left sparrow]

Please wait one day so we can get the holy mass ping from the bot again.

There are 25 people in this thread. :D

I wonder what the +close will look like...

[timid flume]

hey

I just opened my phone

for u to be typing

and last message was 3 hours ago

how co incidental!

[left sparrow]

💀

[timid flume]

omg omg

I think I'm lucky

I just opened my phone

[left sparrow]

You've got timed out 💀

[timid flume]

I don't think so 🤨

but anyways

ok bye

I'm gonna go to sleep

it's been 13 days

I've come not so far.

🥺😞😔😟😕🙁☹️😣😖

[wary kindle]

that kind of thing takes years, not weeks lol

[timid flume]

hey guys

I wanna make a bet

if I don't learn something major today (i.e within the next 24 hours)

I quit this all and focus on my holidays

[wary kindle]

who are you betting against

[timid flume]

you

okay?

[wary kindle]

no??? enjoy ur holidays or dont, none of my business

[timid flume]

okay

uh

this guy called kocher

I'll bet it against him!

surely no problem

[buoyant trail]

Nobody will take this bet.

It's also not a bet.

It's you saying that you'll do something, and if you don't, then you'll do something else.

At this point, I would actually encourage you to quit this and focus on your holidays. It's evident that you don't actually like doing math nor care to learn it; you should spend your free time having fun and doing something that you enjoy.

[timid flume]

hey

I have news for y'all

I won the bet

someone's teaching me calculus and graphs

[timid flume]

well

hmm

#1368725559605198899 message

[last yoke]

usparat has been timed out for 5m
Reason: Posting Discord Server Invites

usparat | 1232443865370202153

[timid flume]

u timed out me

for

posting the original maths server

which has 250k people

😒

[wary kindle]

i think its automatic

[timid flume]

I know

hmm

dis cord.gg/ math

everyone, u can see my thread there

#1368725559605198899 message

some person just thought me basic calculus and stuff which I didn't learn in 14 days of being here

[wary kindle]

you say that as if its our fault 💀

if you wanted to learn calculus you couldve asked

[timid flume]

okay

I wanna learn

wait

but

how will u tell me that

[wary kindle]

most people here will just tell you to read a book though

[timid flume]

EXACTLY

that guy took the pain of 3 hours

and to teach me the concept

such a heavenly heavenly person

[wary kindle]

yeah he must have a lot of free time and patience lmao

but also i feel like you shouldnt rely on that, its sort of rude to expect it

if that makes sense

[timid flume]

he's also apparently like me (not to do self boasting, but ykwim 😎) he self studied in high school

[timid flume]

I know lol

I'm relying on 3-6 hour yt vids on concepts now

and probably would come here to ask some doubts

but never entirely huge concepts

[wary kindle]

thats good

[timid flume]

hey

u saw my new theory?

on happiness!?

[urban valley]

BRO i gave you the videos to learn calculus from one of the best professors

and you just ego'd me what are you talking about

[timid flume]

no no

[urban valley]

yes yes

[timid flume]

I'm depending on those rn

this guy just told me himself

and I listened

[wary kindle]

usap only listens to this one guy i guess

[urban valley]

This guy must be Euler himself

[wary kindle]

i think it was very non mathematical and more of a philosophical crank kind of thing

[urban valley]

he ignores everyone phd's master's bachelor's. So this person must be the godfather of math no other explanation

[timid flume]

hey what if I listen to your sentence, meaning I'd listen to you. but that means, I won't only listen to that guy. so that means you DEFINITELY have to be false. there is no logical way for you to be true!

[wary kindle]

well i guess i cant call u a philosophy crank since i dont know philosophy, but i didnt agree with it either way

[timid flume]

okay but

alright yea..

but

the plus sign was of maths

anyways

ima go focus!

thank youu

[urban valley]

[wary kindle]

sure go have fun

[timid flume]

that seems

like a threat and a normal sentence at the same time

idk why

probably just because it's 5 am for me rn

But anyways

ty again

[dark grail]

Did you do the exercises on irrational numbers

[timid flume]

hey uhmmm

my maths book

uhm

it

was unavailable

for

I didn't buy it

for

I only went to school for 3 days and summer holidays came

so-

BUT

good news

I now know about functions and equations on functions and slopes

and about linear equations in 2 variables

how improvement right?!

[dark grail]

Have you done practice questions on any of these topics

[timid flume]

yes

yes

uh

2x + yada yada yada = ya.
4x + ya ajdbaks. = ya ya

first equation is the first liney

second is the second ||

so

agh I'm so sleepy

[left sparrow]

Nah, respectfully fuck you

I'm not contributing to mental rot

[timid flume]

lol hey- my bad..

I meant it in a

fun and

and

[left sparrow]

^

[dark grail]

Do a worksheet on whatever topic you’ve learnt with practice questions

[timid flume]

okay.

[left sparrow]

I explained my point on this yesterday, you should know

[timid flume]

but

you've contributed to it

by contributing to me

u talked to me and made me explain that you won't contribute

by that

you're logically defied

[dark grail]

.

[timid flume]

ok

[left sparrow]

Have you even made checkpoints for yourself?

[timid flume]

check points?

what exactly do u mean

🧐🤨

[left sparrow]

Like, specific topic you want to know at specific dates.

Say, by Saturday, learn the contents of basic Algebra.

Then by next week learn Trigonometry, etc.

[timid flume]

yea

no-

[left sparrow]

...

[timid flume]

no but

yes

Today trigonometry

and algebra

tomorrow the same

[left sparrow]

🤨

[timid flume]

and day after the revision

and then geometry and then

after a week or two

calculus

[left sparrow]

Alright.

[timid flume]

integration

[left sparrow]

Fine, if you can show me a definitive list of your goals then I'll help out. Deal?

Cause I have a few practice problems I can cook up for checkups.

[timid flume]

oh OKAY! DEAL

[left sparrow]

Alright. At least get a feeling of being organized, because then you'll at least understand what you've done and where your limitations are.

[timid flume]

alright

[left sparrow]

And even if you don't finish, you'll at least be confident in what you've done.

[timid flume]

so

25 days

no 24 days

hmm

what really is there

trigonometry

Geometry

algebra

but

I can't generalize them and learn em in

one shot

hmm so

alright

10th grade trigonometry algebra geometry today

10th grade probability, statistics, others tomorrow

10th grade whatever I couldn't complete day after tomorrow

and 10th grade revision recap day after after day tomorrow

and thats it

10th grade over

I don't even wanna touch 9th grade

it's too simple

so let's move on

to 11th grade

where calculus begins

okay

10th is sorted

so 11th grade

now what does it really teach

Sets

Relations functions

Trignometric functions

Shit I'm cooked

Principles of math induction

Complex numbers

Linear inequality

Permutations and combinations

shit

I'm cooked

I won't be able to do this

Binomial theorem

Sequence and series

Straight lines

Conic section

Introduction to 3 dimensional geometry

Limits and derivatives

Mathematical reasoning

Probability

Statistics

AHHH GOD DANG IT

I'M NOT GONNA BE ABLE TO DO THIS

AAAAAAA

AAAAAAAAAAAAGH

AAAAAAAAAAAAAGHHHHHHHHH

[urban valley]

khan academy

[timid flume]

AAAAAAAGH

[timid flume]

u do realize

no matter how big of a teacher

i wont be able to learn all that

in one MONTH

[urban valley]

khan academy covers all of these topics

[timid flume]

less than one month

[urban valley]

obviously not one month

[timid flume]

in how much time

[urban valley]

only a dumbass would believe they can compact 3 years into 29 days or less

that depends on you

start now and the time will be less

keep procrastinating and itll never happen

[timid flume]

yea but guess what? I'm NOT A DUMBASS and I wanna compact 4 years into 24 days instead

[urban valley]

the way you are acting it seems that way

just study you talking about wanting to study isnt actually studying

[timid flume]

No I am

u realize what I'm doing In that thread

[spark blaze]

https://tenor.com/view/sleepy-sleepy-cat-morning-coffee-gif-for-mary-gif-20056562

[urban valley]

bro just open khan academy and start

it has all the topics you want and in good order

[dark grail]

How many worksheets or problem sets have you done so far

[urban valley]

put 14 hours a day for 24 days and maybe you will

[timid flume]

No

you're sarcastic

you're like my mom

she says something same

[dark grail]

.

[timid flume]

no worksheets but

what I've understood is

[urban valley]

khan academy is quite literally the only way unless you pay a tutor for 12 hours of work per day for 24 days

[timid flume]

the slope formula

and how

and why

then functions

[spark blaze]

in the past what three weeks you have done zero worksheets?😭

[timid flume]

and I'm midway learning through

[dark grail]

Anything you think you’ve understood/know means absolutely nothing until you solve your first problem

[timid flume]

slope formula

And how to calculate the area

Of a ireobrfolal shape in a graph

irregular*

[dark grail]

Cool, have you done any problems

[timid flume]

No

[dark grail]

Do them first

[timid flume]

let me learn it doh

[timid flume]

For the past few hours

I've been switching

to this account and that

talking to him and y'all

soo soo annoying

it's 6:18 am for me

I've been doing this since

somethin

[dark grail]

Go to bed

[spark blaze]

nobody's forcing you to talk here kid

[urban valley]

[spark blaze]

it would be better actually to just do this stuff in midday

🐈

[timid flume]

I'm more active on night

in the morning, it feels like the sun is attacking me

in night it's soo peaceful

my brain works so well

[spark blaze]

besides what am i even saying you're not doing any stuff at all😭it's been so much time and you've done nothing for practice

[timid flume]

no

I've done

or started doing

today and yesterday

[spark blaze]

0 practice problems

🐈

[timid flume]

that's why I'm talking so much

practice probleme

aren't

like

seriously

I need the

Concepts first

[spark blaze]

would it not be beneficial to study and not talk here...

[timid flume]

not the problems

I'm studying

that guy over there

he's teaching me

but

[spark blaze]

you mean to say you havent grasped a single concept in the three weeks you've spent here?

[timid flume]

I'll aslos study on yt videos soon

[timid flume]

yes, but I've grasped many concepts in just a few hours from yesterday over there

[spark blaze]

well have fun with him he seems kind a kind and patient guy 🐄

[urban valley]

khan academy will give you the concepts and the practice problems

[timid flume]

Over that discord server and YouTube videos

[urban valley]

idk why you are religiously avoiding it if you want to improve

[timid flume]

you seem like the

[spark blaze]

fr

[timid flume]

mrbeast honey ad

[spark blaze]

do practice problems on topics you think you've learned

[timid flume]

but

[spark blaze]

and if you cant do them it means u havent learned them

[timid flume]

okay but

if I focus on problems rn

[dark grail]

How many problems sets have you done applying them

[timid flume]

I won't be able to learn concepts

first concepts

then problems

[dark grail]

You haven’t learnt the concepts if you can’t solve the problems

[timid flume]

I didn't even try to

I am learning

[wary kindle]

U gotta wait until that other guy suggests khan, then he will do it

[timid flume]

....

[urban valley]

ahhh i see now

[timid flume]

😡

you

[urban valley]

i've come to understand the concepts of the universe thank you for your wisdom sister amy

[timid flume]

are logically

dusproven

[dark grail]

Khan academy is great btw it’s pretty much exactly what you’re looking for too

[timid flume]

disproven*

hmmmmmmm

alr

[dark grail]

Very intuitive videos, comes with problem sets to practice what you’ve learnt etc

[wary kindle]

No worries cat boy

[dark grail]

Start at the 9th grade, if you find it easy it won’t take long

Do the problem sets - again, understanding concepts mean nothing if you haven’t/can’t solve the problems

After all, the entire point of maths is using concepts to solve problems

[timid flume]

see

it takes long

but is

[dark grail]

Not if you find it easy

[timid flume]

comparitively less useful

IF

I be able to learn 10th and 11th and 12th

[timid flume]

it's not easy

but it takes long

no I mean

it's easy

no I mean

[dark grail]

You can’t learn the 10th grade up if you don’t know the 9th grade stuff

[timid flume]

it's hard

And it takes long

but it's more like

uh

[timid flume]

No I can

or maybe I can't

but

but

[dark grail]

You can’t

[urban valley]

you will have gaps in knowledge that will make it annoying to learn later on

[dark grail]

Impossible

[timid flume]

I see

but

[dark grail]

There’s no way you’ll learn anything about complex numbers if you know nothing about functions or graphs

[timid flume]

I learnt a bit of a calculus

[dark grail]

It’s a strict prerequisite

[timid flume]

that comes in 11th grade

[timid flume]

exactly

[dark grail]

Have you solved any calculus problems

[timid flume]

I am able to learn on fucntions and graphs

[spark blaze]

@timid flume

[dark grail]

.

[spark blaze]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-gif-7748205998062764295

[timid flume]

uhh

yes

I know to calculate the slope

[dark grail]

Let’s see it

[timid flume]

okay

[spark blaze]

woah there buddy

🐱

[timid flume]

let us say

you have two

two points

of a function

[buoyant trail]

And even more importantly, that make it annoying for your poor grad student TAs like me to grade.

[timid flume]

alright?

you got two points

of a function

first being 2,1

2 of x axis

1 of y axis

second point being

4,2

so

how do you calculate the rate of change?

it's by putting the y terms over x terms

to put it more

Grammatically

what I mean is

take the y and x terms out

[dark grail]

https://tutorial.math.lamar.edu/problems/calci/DiffFormulas.aspx

[timid flume]

and label them as 1 and 2 alphabetically or something

so

[dark grail]

try these

[timid flume]

1,2

[dark grail]

pretty basic calculus

[timid flume]

is y1 and y2

and 2,4

is x1 and x2

[urban valley]

try what he sent they are perfect probelms so see where you are at in calculus

[timid flume]

what we're tryna do

is y2-y1 / x2-x1

[buoyant trail]

The kid's not ready for calculus yet.

[timid flume]

or f(b) - f(a)
b-a

[dark grail]

didn't think so

look, you haven't done any calculus yet

[timid flume]

that way

[buoyant trail]

He should learn pre-calculus mathematics first.

[timid flume]

we'd get the

[dark grail]

this isn't calculus

this is an important prerequisite to calculus

[buoyant trail]

Please don't split up your sentences over multiple messages like this. It's annoying and obnoxious.

[spark blaze]

you've got a bad habit of yammering to yourself whenever ppl are tryna say something

[dark grail]

look

point proven

you haven't learnt anything from the 11th grade

start from the 9th

[spark blaze]

this is completely unrelated but im going crazy thinking abt it whys ur name tomato and your pfp a pear

[dark grail]

khan academy

good videos, intuitive explainations, problem sets to test yourself

go through a couple of those

[buoyant trail]

(And/or Lang's Basic Mathematics, a book that I will continue to shill for)

[dark grail]

don't move onto the next topic until you can ace the previous one's problem sheets

[buoyant trail]

Oh. So until yesterday my username was "Pear Category Theorem".

[dark grail]

books can work too, depending on what you prefer

[spark blaze]

is that an actual theorem

[dark grail]

but from what you've said it seems khan academy is much more up your alley

[buoyant trail]

I haven't updated the picture because I don't know how long this username will last.

[dark grail]

get some sleep first, a 14yr old should not be up at 6

[buoyant trail]

All of my usernames are fruit-based math puns.

My old name was a pun on the famous Baire Category Theorem. This name is a pun on Tomita-Takesaki theory.

[sweet smelt]

what pear said

Imma be honest, I'm only here cuz I find you really funny

[spark blaze]

🦁that's... actually a good joke

[dark grail]

i wouldn't go as far as to say you don't like math, but you're approaching it completely wrong

[sweet smelt]

do one for taniyama shimura weil conjecture

[dark grail]

you need to build from the bottom up, there's no easy path to skipping to the end

[spark blaze]

maybe we're witnessing the birth of the best mathematician oat or something who knows

[buoyant trail]

All my jokes are good jokes. Zorn's Lemon, the Banana Contraction Principle, the Canteloupe Diagonal Argument, the Central Lime Theorem, the Riesz Rambutan Theorem, etc.

[dark grail]

even the 12 year old geniuses had to learn their times table at some point

[sweet smelt]

unlikely

the best mathematician would not be here talking about how infinity might be a number

they'd be doing actual math

even at this age

I think Terence Tao was winning gold medals in IMO at this point in his life?

[spark blaze]

https://tenor.com/view/laptop-gif-17818299217491501898

[buoyant trail]

Tao coauthored a paper with Erdos by the time he was 14.

[sweet smelt]

aha see

[timid flume]

good thing, I'm not 14 yet 😎

[spark blaze]

i was still eating dirt at 14

[buoyant trail]

Or something absurd like this. But also, you don't need to be a child genius to become a good mathematician; it's just more of an uphill battle to get into mathematical spaces the older you get. I was a fucking dumbass when I was 14; eleven years later and I'm still a fucking dumbass, but I'm a fucking dumbass who's somehow also a PhD student.

[sweet smelt]

ofc you don't need to be a genius to get a PhD in math

[spark blaze]

@timid flume kid if it brings u comfort ur a lot better than i was at ur age 🐱 i think you should take the advice the ppl here are giving if you're serious about this coz theyre not all idiots

[sweet smelt]

but you need to be a genius to be the greatest mathematician of the time

[buoyant trail]

I don't think this is actually all that obvious to a lot of people, which is why I point it out. Lots of people just assume "good at math = genius, always was and always will be"

[sweet smelt]

really? lmaoooooooooooo

I thought that it was pretty obvious that a PhD is not about being genius but more about committing to the grind

[spark blaze]

yeah this is so true😭 as a child if you struggle at maths anyone who's good at it you just develop an image of them as a really smart individual

[sweet smelt]

mmmm how interesting

[sweet smelt]

and all these people tell you "it's easy if you get it" "it's not actually that hard" right?

everyone has a threshold for what is considered hard, just that your friend who's good at math has a higher threshold than you

[buoyant trail]

My rule of thumb is that if you don't find math hard, you're just not doing hard enough math.

[sweet smelt]

(I know cuz I'm the one telling everyone that)

[sweet smelt]

yes

[buoyant trail]

Everyone has some problem they think is too hard. (And if you think you don't, then tell me, and I'll change your mind fast by spamming you with open problems in dynamics, dst, c* algebras, group theory, etc.).

[sweet smelt]

wait- no

[buoyant trail]

Do you want me to give you a problem @sweet smelt I saw what you deleted

[sweet smelt]

nono now that I think about it

I've seen plenty

[dark grail]

Prove p = np

[sweet smelt]

lmaooo

[buoyant trail]

Sure, we can go for the standards.

[sweet smelt]

I was gonna say I have not seen a problem whose statement I can understand, but not solve

but then I remembered the IMO questions

which have really simple statements

[dark grail]

They get kinda nasty yeah

[sweet smelt]

but uhhhh good luck solving them yea

[sweet smelt]

like this for example, I don't even know how you define P or NP

wdym by "computable"

[buoyant trail]

Show that for all integers $n>2$, the diophantine equation $$a^{n}+b^{n}=c^{n}$$ has no solutions $(a,b,c)\in(\mathbb{Z}^{+})^{3}$, if you want the classic.

[sweet smelt]

ha

hahaha

[ionic mortar]

Tomato-Takesaki Theory

[sweet smelt]

well

I think the proof for that is like 300 pages long

[buoyant trail]

Yeah.

Longer, actually.

Wiles only proved modularity; not the fact that modularity implies FLT.

[sweet smelt]

ahhhh right

and then someone else had to prove that the form was equivalent to an elliptic curve

[timid flume]

hey guys I have a doubt

I'm not understand a concept a bit

[dark grail]

Sure, what is it

[timid flume]

in derivatives

[urban valley]

go ahead

[timid flume]

I am

so

flabbergasted with this

here it is

[inner pulsar]

What do you mean what formula? You should have given the lhs and asked what it’s equal to.

[urban valley]

what about it

[inner pulsar]

Binomial theorem? That’s $(a + b)^n = \sum_{k=0}^{n} \binom{n}{k} a^{n-k} b^k$

[ionic mortar]

Ag3nt

[urban valley]

its just the definition of a derivative using a limit you'll see it the first chapter in calculus and then quickly leave it behind as it takes to much work

[timid flume]

hey

that guy

explained it to me

almost as simply as I can understand

but as hard as I can understand

[urban valley]

[dark grail]

Look, I don’t want to be condescending, and it’s not an easy topic that everyone understands immediately

[inner pulsar]

Think of it kind of like finding the slope of a graph at one point

[dark grail]

But you’ll have a much better time if you had a good grasp of functions and graphs first

You’ve stated earlier that you understand the gradient of a straight line is $m=\frac{y_2-y_1}{x_2-x_1}$

[ionic mortar]

┬┴┬┴┤(･_├┬┴┬┴

[dark grail]

That’s just the formula for differentiation from first principles

[timid flume]

yea hm

so this is basically

doing it multiple times

as long as the difference

[inner pulsar]

No, it’s doing it for a really small value of x2 - x1

[timid flume]

between x2-x1 approaches 0

[dark grail]

$\Delta$ is the conventional symbol for “difference”

[ionic mortar]

┬┴┬┴┤(･_├┬┴┬┴

[dark grail]

Correct

[timid flume]

ohhh that's what I HAD THE DOUBT

how do u practically do infinite capculatipns

u just need to be precise enough

[dark grail]

You don’t

[inner pulsar]

No, u find the value that the whole thing approaches as x2-x1 approaches 0

[dark grail]

Even though the limit approaches 0, there is still a defined answer

[timid flume]

ah I see yea

[dark grail]

Have you studied the binomial theorem yet

[inner pulsar]

Idts

[timid flume]

can u show it to me

[inner pulsar]

@timid flume

[dark grail]

$(1+x)^n = ?$

[ionic mortar]

┬┴┬┴┤(･_├┬┴┬┴

[inner pulsar]

$(a + b)^n = \sum_{k=0}^{n} \binom{n}{k} a^{n-k} b^k$

[ionic mortar]

Ag3nt

[timid flume]

no the main thing I'm lacking there is matrices, it seems easy because it's just a collumn matrice or its not a matrice at all but I'm lacking enough knowledge of that

I might still be able to learn it right now

[dark grail]

That isn’t a matrix

[inner pulsar]

No, it’s just combinatorics

[dark grail]

Have you studied combinations and permutations

[inner pulsar]

Not a matrix

[dark grail]

Like, are you starting to see how jumping to the 11th grade stuff might be problematic if you don’t have a good understanding of what comes before

[inner pulsar]

$\binom{n}{k} = \frac{n!}{k!(n - k)!}$

[ionic mortar]

Ag3nt

[inner pulsar]

@timid flume

[dark grail]

Since the next big question in differentiation would be something like

[inner pulsar]

Do you know what factorials are?

[dark grail]

Differentiate from first principles: $f(x) = x^n$

[ionic mortar]

┬┴┬┴┤(･_├┬┴┬┴

[dark grail]

But the solution to that problem requires knowledge of the formula for the binomial theorem

Which in turn requires knowledge about combinations and permutations

Which requires knowledge of factorials

[inner pulsar]

And the same is true for a lot of stuff

[dark grail]

And it would be so much easier and faster if you just started from the basic stuff and worked upwards

[timid flume]

but

combinations and permutations

come in 11th grade-

also

[dark grail]

Yes, and there’s a reason why calculus is taught simultaneously/later

I’d be very surprised if they taught calculus before combinatorics

[timid flume]

I learned a lot today and I learned that I have a lot more to learn. I'm pretty sure this subject is for me, I love how complex it is. For the past 4 continous hours I've been thinking just on this topic. ty all

I am gonna go sleep

it's almost 7:30 am for me

[dark grail]

I’m glad you’re motivated, you need rest

[timid flume]

haven't sleeped in 25 hours

ty, gn

[dark grail]

But start from the basic stuff first

[timid flume]

yea I will

[dark grail]

Khan academy

[timid flume]

not just gonna jump into 11th rn

[dark grail]

Good luck with it kid

[timid flume]

first a bit 9th then mainly 10th

alr thanks

cya

[drifting wasp]

Can you be normal for once on your time in this server Jesus Christ

[inner pulsar]

I can tell ur Indian because of the book

[visual edge]

Who

[sweet smelt]

not in this server

[visual edge]

Sad times, dm me the server invite pls

[sweet smelt]

Why

[timid flume]

I can tell you can tell because you told.

hello guys

I just woke up

[sweet smelt]

You're not gonna just go over there and bully the kid are you

[timid flume]

if you're talking about me

😊☺yes

also

[visual edge]

Absolutely not

[sweet smelt]

Then it's the summer of math exposition discord

[timid flume]

I learned a lot on slopes and limits and derivatives and calculating equations on graph yesterday

[sweet smelt]

The kid wanted to invent imaginary numbers, but for positive square roots

Genuinely have no idea why he'd do that but yk

[tame lynx]

there are almost 4k messages in this channel alone

y'all need jesus or something..

[timid flume]

OMG AL