📚wiki-editors

[unkempt zodiac]

(We talked about caps, but I think I might've lost the 'uses' at some point, and I have no idea where or if it matters)

[vapid hound]

it would be the latter in terms of format but first you need to have something in that category

[unkempt zodiac]

That's fine! I just wasn't sure about the format 🙏 😩

Thank you!

[unkempt zodiac]

... Okay, good news is that it looks like I think I only dropped the 'Uses' as of today 😂 👌 Which makes it simple to fix!

Btw, for the automated category return table for Recipes: Would it be possible to edit or rearrange the message generated when there's no Cooking recipes so that there's a word with a capital letter at the beginning of the message, like the Artisan message? This was actually the original reason I started capitalizing the lookups, but if capitalization would interfere with the code...

[vapid aurora]

Meaning?

Ah that

[vapid aurora]

better?

[unkempt zodiac]

This is perfect, thank you!!

[vapid aurora]

@nova flume couple things about dialogue

• please use * instead of <nowki>-ing the entire text string when it starts with an asterisk
• for clock times please use https://coralisland.fandom.com/wiki/Template:Time instead of <nowiki>-ing them from now on, for proper format and automatic escaping
• ranges should use –, not a plain -
• does the in-game text really use the curly apostrophe? bc there's also some straight apostrophes in there, but its predominantly curly (on "Alice/Dialogue": 142 straight, 366 curly)
  edit reflecting what i mentioned: https://coralisland.fandom.com/wiki/Alice/Dialogue?diff=35655&oldid=35649

as a side note, if you ever need to use anything with a colon that is not a time in a ; line, please use : instead of <nowiki> as well

[nova flume]

Noted!
And yeah, the lines were copy-pasted straight out of the dialog files. The only things I did to them was swap out the italics and line breaks to wiki versions and removed the formatting on character names.

[vapid aurora]

then the textmaps really need heavy LQA-ing

they are so inconsistent lmao

i've already found stuff ingame sometimes in BrE and sometimes in AmE

[nova flume]

Yyyyeah... :'D Consistency is an issue in a lot of areas.

Also re:formatting dialogue: Do you want me to do anything in particular with linked dialogue (ie. one interaction gets one set of lines, second interaction gets the next set, ect)? Right now I've just been leaving them adjacent to each other and separated unlinked lines with an empty space.

Would you prefer I keep doing them that way or use a double colon to indent follow-up lines? Or something else?

[vapid aurora]

not entirely sure what you mean

[nova flume]

These two sets of lines are a part one and part two that you have to talk to Alice twice to get both of. The left is the way they are now, but I was wondering if the right would be clearer.

[vapid aurora]

if there is a dependency, then yes indenting is in order

but wait

is it a continuous dialogue, or a talk once, get first, dialogue ends, talk again, get second

bc if its continuous then no indenting unless there's branching

[nova flume]

I think they're a talk once, get one set, then talk again for the other.

Like. I haven't played for a bit, but I'm pretty sure that's how the introduction line sets worked. And they don't really have animations breaking them up like the cutscenes do.

[vapid aurora]

if you have to start the dialogue twice, then they should be neither indented nor next to each other, but each line should have a ; with the condition

one with ;Talk to X for the first time and the other with ;Talk to X again

;Talk to Alice for the first time
:{{chat|Is that… Is that you, ''Player''?<br />Wow! I almost didn’t recognize you in that getup.<br />Oh, so you’re the one moving into the lot, huh? That would explain the outfit.}}

;Talk to Alice again
:{{chat|Right. It’s not just the town, you know. The inn isn’t as busy as it used to be.<br />Hopefully, with you moving in…it’s a sign of something good.}}
{{Dialogue end}}```

[nova flume]

That'd get kind of messy to read though, wouldn't it? There are a lot of lines set up that way, and with additional conditions.

[vapid aurora]

i mean if we want them to be somewhat connected then we could have them indented, but the "talk again" should be there to denote that it is a separate dialogue

[nova flume]

Works for me. I'll get to cleaning them up in a bit; I have some other work to finish up this morning.

[vapid aurora]

ok so, update related to this

i noticed that for items that have multiple recipes, just setting the "cooked dishes" category doesnt cut it as it wont only select those that are form cooking

so i've made https://coralisland.fandom.com/wiki/Template:Cooked_dishes_by_category_table

which functions around the same as recipes by category table

but has a default setting to only get stuff that is cooked

and has default special columns for recipe sources and dish effects

so now ===Recipes=== sections need to be {{Cooked dishes by category table|<ingredient>}}

no need to add |category= or anything

will bot the current ones

eventually will do the same for artisan products

once they're all updated to use {{recipe}}

[vapid aurora]

to note, this template deafaults to only allow recipes that use any of the cooking utensils, but can be customly narrowed down to any specific utensil as if it was recipes by category table

[unkempt zodiac]

That sounds good! From here on, then, I'll have the ===Recipes== Section only say '{{Cooked dishes by category table|<ingredient>}}'? 👌

[vapid aurora]

yea

ofc, replacing the <ingredient> with the actual name lmao

[unkempt zodiac]

Aaaw (/j)

Yeah, though, that makes sense 😂 👌

[sterile hatch]

A note about apostrophes: If I'm not mistaken, non-Apple keyboards in the US all have the straight apostrophe, and Apple keyboards generally insert the curly one. This causes problems when searching for pages with apostrophes in the name, because users can often only type one or the other. Outside of page names, this is not quite as important, but can still be annoying to some. I recommend adding a policy about which apostrophe is acceptable and where its allowed to be used. A bot run can set them all to the same type on all pages and then you just have to enforce the policy on new pages. Just a thought.

[vapid aurora]

this is direct in-game text, we cannot enforce any preference over one or the other

[sterile hatch]

Well, you can, but it's not a huge deal if you don't. It's most important when a page name contains an apostrophe. My wiki, for example, only uses the straight apostrophe in page names.

[vapid aurora]

yes, we can, but it is a huge deal if we do, we're a wiki, we're not to proofread and LQA the game, we are only to record it, we cannot alter it based on our arbitrary preferences, that'd be both an issue of fidelity to the game's content and an issue of future updates, as we are mixing editor discretions with raw official content

[vapid hound]

if search is the concern then redirects will solve that

[unkempt zodiac]

Hi @nova flume ! I just wanted to check in on some of the corrections to the gifting for the fruit juices; I haven't verified it in-game myself, but this website says that there's a handful of people that Love all fruit juices https://koenig.gg/coral-guide/people/gifting

Do you know if this website is wrong? At some point I'm going to be picking up more juices and etc on that second page, and I want to know if it's flawed for when I continue 🙂

[nova flume]

They love a specific, deprecated fruit juice, I believe. I don't think the devs ever got around to updating them to all juices.
https://coralisland.fandom.com/wiki/Fruit_juice?so=search

[unkempt zodiac]

oooooh okay, yeah, that's different

[nova flume]

Same reason a lot of people have specific responses to Apple wine and Artichoke kimchi only - more variations were added and... they forgot to fix it. :'D

[unkempt zodiac]

I was wondering about those extremely specific preferences 😂

[nova flume]

Yesss. They used to be just 'Wine' and 'Kimchi'. When the new items were added, Apple wine and Artichoke kimchi were updated into the old ID numbers.

[unkempt zodiac]

This explains SO much 😂 👌

Also, in this case I'll be sure not to assume too much about 'fruit juice' when I see it on the gifting list, then Thank you for fixing the ones that are out there!

[unkempt zodiac]

https://coralisland.fandom.com/wiki/Aging_barrel Just as a note (since I'm not sure what tables it would need to be added to): Grape juice can now be placed in an ageing barrel to make grape wine! IIRC it takes about 5 days

[nova flume]

Got it! Do you have any in-game to see if they restore health/energy? I can't find the specific information for them in the consumable file.

[unkempt zodiac]

I can check, yeah!

I'm not sure if I already sold the wine, I might need to make more

[vapid aurora]

ok so

in light of some random adding a section for how resin is needed when buying smth

i've made https://coralisland.fandom.com/wiki/Template:Shop_usage

so now we get another section in ==Uses==

dunno what to name it tho, best i can think of is "Shopping" but that may be a bit broad

example usage

and as a tangent

we really need to figure out section order

bc rn there's not really any standard

and its all over the place

[vapid aurora]

sorry, got distracted, anyway, i propose having them as

===Artisan products===
{{Artisan product by category table}}

===Recipes===
{{Cooked dishes by category table}}

===Shopping===
{{Shop usage}}

===Gifting===
{{Gifted item
|love    = 
|like    = 
|neutral = 
|dislike = 
|hate    =
}}

===Offering===
{{Offering need}}

===Quests===
There are no [[quests]] that currently need this item.```

[unkempt zodiac]

That order works as good as any, imo!

[vapid aurora]

ok just noticed we just kinda forgor that menu crafting existed lmao

so we're gonna need to have another section

smth like

{{Crafting recipes by category table}}```

so for the final layout

===Artisan products===
{{Artisan product by category table}}

===Recipes===
{{Cooked dishes by category table}}

===Crafting===
{{Crafting recipes by category table}}

===Shopping===
{{Shop usage}}

===Gifting===
{{Gifted item
|love    = 
|like    = 
|neutral = 
|dislike = 
|hate    =
}}

===Offering===
{{Offering need}}

===Quests===
There are no [[quests]] that currently need this item.

[unkempt zodiac]

I'd be down for this! Is there a way to rearrange the pages that already exist without doing so manually, btw?

[vapid aurora]

hmmm

unfortunately not really

there's too much variation possible

since we're not really at a point where everything is or can be standard across all pages in terms of page code

missing sections, hidden sections, sections with outdated or manual formats, sections with wrong names or wrong header level, etc

[unkempt zodiac]

Fair enough!

[nova flume]

Do we want to use Artisan products for resources though? Like stone + kiln -> glass etc? Artisan products as is isn’t catching them.

[vapid aurora]

hmmmmmm

mby we could just include them in crafting

just make it into a "anything not cooked or artisan"

and thinking about it

we should prolly rename the sections

bc "recipe" is a bit too ambiguous

and the headers just are a bit all over the place

"artisan products" refers to an item type, but "recipes" and "crafting" refer to medium types lmao

so mby

{{Artisan product by category table}}

===Cooked dishes===
{{Cooked dishes by category table}}

===Crafted===
{{Crafting recipes by category table}}

but idk if the crafted one should be a more generalistic name

dunno what to call it tho

for now i'll just include resource processing into the crafting recipes template

[lament sundial]

Should we mention any pages with wrong info here? I was on the ginger page a couple days ago and it said Ling sends it as a gift, pretty sure it should say Lily and link her page instead.

[sterile hatch]

https://community.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:Jpearson/Technical_Updates:_June_16,_2023

[vapid aurora]

yes you can report anything relating to wiki here

updated the link

[vapid aurora]

ok so

on the topic of character pages

specifically the "schedule" sections

i've made https://coralisland.fandom.com/wiki/Template:Schedule to overhaul them

this both standardizes them, and makes them actually usable on mobile

as a small tangent, i've made https://coralisland.fandom.com/wiki/Template:Tabber, it should be used instead of the default tabber tag or parser function as it has mobile adaptability and custom formatting

back to the shchedule

this would be the thing

following more or less the same format as there is now

just automated

[vapid aurora]

https://coralisland.fandom.com/wiki/Lily can now be used as a reference page for its proper usage

and as mentioned, it is mobile-friendly

SS from actual mobile

[vapid aurora]

@nova flume question about the dialogue pages, since we kinda just have all the lines thrown together with no real differentiatior, what do you think about having this, a delimiter for groups of lines when there's more than 1 group inbetween {{dialogue start}} and {{dialogue end}}

[nova flume]

Ooh, yeah! Looks good to me.

[vapid aurora]

applied the css

the effect can be desabled at any point by adding |no_group=1 to the relevant {{dialogue start}}

[kindred beacon]

no more multiple tables

maybe better to have bg diffs instead? like a massive alternating row table

one of these days i'm gonna look into desinging stuff again

i've been super busy ;_;

[vapid aurora]

you mean instead of having tabber? dont think that'd be a good idea

[kindred beacon]

oh sorry i skipped topics there

that was for the dialogue

[vapid aurora]

ah

feel like that'd be worse lmao

not really a fan of this kinda format

[kindred beacon]

XD ofc not like that

i'll get to it eventually!

yours is okay!

[vapid aurora]

you mean like that?

ignore that the bg are not alternating

[kindred beacon]

hmm they kind of look like replies to each other than diff dialogue

[vapid aurora]

a bit yea

kinda why i prefered the border

more of a "this is a set" vibe

[vapid aurora]

update on this, all character pages have been updated to use {{Schedule}}

[terse aspen]

just wanted to point out that if I go into the fishing page, it says that catfish are caught in stormy and rainy weather.
But on the catfish page it says it's caught in lightwind and sunny weather.

On the Offering's page it says they want bronze, silver and gold bars and bronze, silver, gold and osmium kelp extract. But I don't think it asks for osmium anymore.

[vapid aurora]

the offering page is correct

you are misreading the osmium kelp that is given as a reward as part of the required items

[terse aspen]

thank you.

and sorry. I'll try to be more observant in the future ^^

[vapid aurora]

as for the catfish, that is basically due to this information being mostly manual, which is prone to lack of maintenance

still havent gotten around to fixing up fish stuff

will update the catfish manually for now

although, no idea which one is the correct info

@nova flume can you confirm pls

[terse aspen]

It's okay. I just wanted to point it out in case it was something that had just been missed or something. It's not a note to "fix this now". But just coming from a place of wanting to help.

[vapid aurora]

yea ik, any kind of feedback is appreciated

just leaving it up there for when naut can get around to it

[modern hill]

Rain & storm is weather condition for catfish now 🙂

[terse aspen]

This is both a question and a suggestion I think.
But when I've asked about fruit plants I've gotten that there are 2-3 fruits/harvest, but I don't think the game or the wiki mentions this either in the plant fruit page or the individual pages for the fruit.

[vapid aurora]

mk, then the catfish page is the outdated one

[vapid aurora]

wdym by 2-3 fruits

[terse aspen]

I've been told, perhaps completely wrongly, that fruit plants such as bananas or dragonfruit give 2 to 3 fruits every time you harvest them (usually every third day?)

[vapid aurora]

ah you mean the yield

[terse aspen]

yes

[vapid aurora]

hmmm, i do think that is true, but im not sure what the ratios are

and if it is true for all fruit plants

will have to wait until naut can check to make sure

[terse aspen]

fair enough. Either way. Thank you for your time.

[vapid aurora]

np

[unkempt zodiac]

Just throwing this in, I sometimes get up to 3 fruits harvested in a yield, but I've also leveled up my skills so that harvesting extra crops sometimes happens!

[nova flume]

Mm! ^ Base drop is a flat 2 fruit across all fruit plants.
And yeah, general Fish page is the most up-to-date, I don't think anyone's been around to the individual pages.

[vapid aurora]

added a mention towards yield amount on the fruit plants page

[unkempt zodiac]

Hi all! Checking back in on the stuff we were discussing about sections for item pages: is this more or less how we're planning for the current version of all the tables and stuff? (Along with an 'Any [item]' hatnote if relevant, but there isn't a good one for this item)

https://coralisland.fandom.com/wiki/Aged_barley_beer

[vapid aurora]

Yep

[vapid aurora]

btw i think there is a "any x" for this too

"all alcohol"

but idk if game ever uses asks for any x for recipes

its only on gift prefs

[vapid aurora]

also side note

but please avoid leaving trailing whitespaces

[unkempt zodiac]

Sorry, I'd just copy pasted from this chat and hadn't checked for it! I'll keep an eye out for it, though

And that works! I'll see about including the alcohols group, maybe I'll get a chance to build the page

[nova flume]

Yeah, I'm not sure the alcohol group is fully set up in-game. I don't think anything is actually tagged with it.

[unkempt zodiac]

I was wondering! 🤔 it might be worth it to hold off on trying to set that group up until it's a little more finalized, yeah?

[nova flume]

Probably? Unless you'd just want to make it a note that while the group exists and is referenced, there's nothing actually in it at the moment.

[lament sundial]

There’s an issue with Sam’s page, in the heart event section

[vapid aurora]

fixed, its due to the page not being updated to use {{Heart event}} yet, so i've added a safecheck on the template

[azure valve]

I'm not sure if I should make a suggestion in this specific channel but, I think it might be really helpful in the "Cavern" wiki page to maybe show an image example of each rock that contains certain items, because I'm not really sure just by description alone ><

[kindred beacon]

i also didn't know what each rock meant when i was mining if there are no assets for it, I can help clean!

looks like the devs use "dateable" instead of "romanceable" so will update what we use in the wiki

• https://twitter.com/coralislandgame/status/1661968985104220161
• #📋coral-changelist message
• #🖼coral-images-official message

wow ok i hate them

kickstarter:

trying to find recent instances of romanceable

[nova flume]

Yeeahhh. Consistency is a thing they might not be very good at. :'D

As for the rocks, I wasn't sure how to best handle them. There are multiple possible models for each one - like 4 or 5 for of them, I think. This ignoring the tinting for the mine-specific variants.

But DT_DebrisRegistry_Mines lists where all the models for the particular rock types are if that would help? :'D Sorry, I don't really know for sure how to pull them myself.

[azure valve]

I wonder if you can have a link embedded just to allow the option of looking. because when i tried to google, I couldn't find anything.

[nova flume]

So, these are the basic small rocks. The top row can be found anywhere (farm, mines, etc), the bottom row are only found in the mines. The second row is also the basis for the smalls rock unique to the specific mine you're in - they're only tinted different colors.

So these would be the yellow ones in the Earth mine or abouts? I think.

Ehh, probably less bright in reality.

Fmodel's viewer of the tinting:

[flint gulch]

I think that all crops profit are wrong.
For example:
Pineapple:
Growth time: 9 days
Seed price: 110
Sell price: 185
Max harvest: 1 (should be 3) I can plant and harvest it 3 times in one month.
Profit per day: 8.33 (should be 8.03)

My calculate: 185 - 110 = 75 * 3 = 225 / 28 = 8.03

[vapid aurora]

not all are wrong

only for fruit plants

as the multiple drop is not accounted for

ah wait pineapple

yea it is correct

the count is for one planting of the crops

thus only 1 max harvest

those with more than 1 harvest are only considered to be those who regrow

e.g., hot pepper and banana

[flint gulch]

But the monthly profit should be based on the maximum number of times I can harvest the crop in the month. It makes no sense to count only as 1. This gives the wrong idea of which seed is more valuable.

[vapid aurora]

i mean, not really?

its profit per seed

[flint gulch]

Hot pepper, for example, is not the most valuable in the summer, pineapple is more profitable. But looking at the wiki it gets confusing.

On the wiki it says "profit per day". So we take the total number of times a seed can be planted/harvested in the month and divide it by 28. For me, that makes the most sense.

Just to have one more example.
From wiki the hot pepper seems by far the most valuable.
But if in summer you replace it with pineapple and in fall plant lily, you will have more profit.

Plants that regrowth, have a full month calculation. It's not a fair comparison with non-sprouting crops if you don't calculate based on the total number of times they can be replanted in a month.

Sorry to be pushy about this. But I hope you are understanding with my logic hahaha.

[vapid aurora]

have updated the crops profit templte to take into account non-regrowing crops properly

but even then, hot pepper is still more valuable

have also updated template to add the range of profit, from all base drops to all osmium drops

the column sorting is unaffected so its just to give a general view of how the crops fares in higher tiers

this also helps see which crops are better at what points of the game

bc here hot pepper is shown to be better in early game where non-base items are scarce

but significantly less valuable on lategame where high tier drops are commonplace

that should be easier to understand

[flint gulch]

It turned out great, thanks for the improvement.

Only hot pepper for me gives a different daily profit:
17 * 30 = 510 - 40 = 470 / 56 = 8.39

Still, it actually got more profitable, as 17 harvests affected the calculations.

Again, thank you very much.

[azure valve]

Thank you! Is it possible this can be pinned or something? D:

because I genuinely...don't know if any of these have decent drops or if im wasting energy

[nova flume]

I added them to a gallery at the bottom of the cavern page for the time being! https://coralisland.fandom.com/wiki/Cavern#Gallery

[azure valve]

You're amazing 😭❤

[vapid aurora]

mk so, finally made https://coralisland.fandom.com/wiki/Template:Card

kind of mimicking the ingame format

[vapid aurora]

and with that i've also made a new version for letters in https://coralisland.fandom.com/wiki/Template:Letter/Draft

bc the current one is full inline css and is a table, both which are bad practice and unusable on mobile

current on mobile

new one on mobile

there are still a couple things that need mobile adaptations, but thats outside the letter template

also we need a coin page, or just anything to redirect it to

[kindred beacon]

@vapid aurora figma liiink https://www.figma.com/file/W9y7nPiY4tm276aiI5uv07/Coral-Island-Wiki-Letter?type=design&node-id=0%3A1&mode=design&t=fEnFDEAk1CPhJmX0-1

If you're also registered you can go into dev mode for the hexcodes and spacing if you want

What do you think of this layout for mobile?

made a darker version of dark version's card bg, but i prefer the lighter one. any is fine tho

these new templates are awesome thanks for the hard work mike!!!

[vapid aurora]

The items can't be both before and after the ending part, so will just have to switch them on desktop lmao

[kindred beacon]

that's even better lol

[vapid aurora]

desktop

mobile

[kindred beacon]

let these guys breathe please huhu
some padding for top and bottom

oh rip the figma took the text line-height so it had 0 top and bottom margin if you were looking there osfsfdf

[vapid aurora]

no it just didnt occur to me to add vertical padding lmao

[kindred beacon]

oh ahahaha

[vapid aurora]

is that good enough padding?

its 3px

a larger amount

[kindred beacon]

4px

[vapid aurora]

better?

[kindred beacon]

yes!

[vapid aurora]

mk then done

[kindred beacon]

letsgoooo

[vapid aurora]

have updated letter to new format

also, https://coralisland.fandom.com/wiki/Template:Card and https://coralisland.fandom.com/wiki/Template:Card_list are now usable

[kindred beacon]

i have these for the thumbnail things for home. idk what to add to friendship

or are the chosen images fine

[vapid aurora]

mby add one of each?

one bachelor, one bachelorette

and one townie

the rest look fine

although

why is there a fence furnishing on the foraging one lmfao

[kindred beacon]

it's a reward for foraging

[vapid aurora]

if anything i'd expect a mushroom log or smth lmao

[kindred beacon]

OH 👀 let me see

[vapid aurora]

and on the farming one i'd expect a hoe, not the backpack

hoe or watering can

backpack is so universal that it's like why

[kindred beacon]

okay!!

[vapid aurora]

made the letters less wide bc there's way too much blank space and most letters are not that long anyway

this size is more comfortable

[kindred beacon]

[inland echo]

Just wanted to give a heads up that rambutan can make jam in the mason jar and juice in the keg, I didn't see them listed. Here is how much the gold juice is, I will try to keep track of selling prices for each so there is a more complete listing.

[sterile hatch]

https://community.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:Brandon_Rhea/Great_news:_the_number_of_editors_on_Fandom_is_growing,_and_here's_why

[kindred beacon]

dateable it issss

[kindred beacon]

is this for all pages?

Nautilus, is it okay to preset {{Gifted item}} based on item? Like Dippa, Erika, and Paul love All jams, so does it make sense to add it in the Jam preload when people make Jam pages or is it as inconsistent as a lot of things in the game?

Not sure if it's worth it to have diff preloads per artisan product https://coralisland.fandom.com/wiki/Category:Preload_templates

[nova flume]

I want to cautiously say it's okay? Jams/juices/wines/etc seem to have been fairly consistent from what I can tell. They'd probably be safe to preset and clean up any exceptions if people stumble across them.

[kindred beacon]

Awesome, thank you!!!

[vapid aurora]

Meant for all items yes

[cerulean flare]

do we have %% numbers / distribution from ingame data or something solid that describe how FERTILIZERS affect crop quality?

by Fall year 1 one BIG question becomes real: whether fertilizer BOUGHT in shop is worth it, and how much for each crop?

also, speaking of RAW crop price - what are multipliers for prices comparing to raw vs bronze to osmium? 1,15 / 1,3 / 1,5 and 2 respectively? or..........?

[nova flume]

I believe those are right, yes.
As for fertilizers... Yeah, not sure how it works. I guess the value of the fertilizer gets added to the generated value of the crop when it's harvested and hitting certain thresholds determines quality? No idea how to read the calculator, sorry.

[cerulean flare]

I mean, what is Crop distribution when I use say Fert 1 for same crop, comparing to NO fert at all? SAy out of 100 crops I get e.g. 10 normal, 20 silver and so on, and what are these numbers for FERT 1 applied? that's what I mean

For now I stick to spreadsheet where i put ACTUALS for all mass crops I harvest, lemme show you..........

here, cumulative totals, and for numbers in 1000s they should be pretty accurate. Although I'd prefer to have solid ingame data, sme way we have it for Stardew on their wiki

itlooks like 3.5%, 11.5%. and 42.5% for both silver and gold respectively

and this data is CRUCIAL for calculating profit per day - since normal quality and osmium just give THEORETICAL range, because in reality you have such mix with %% as on my screenshot

[vapid aurora]

@nova flume is that double chieftan at the bottom intentional?

also, on https://coralisland.fandom.com/wiki/Gort

• Remember to not use templates with underscores ({{Infobox character, not {{Infobox_character)
• Keep each notice template on their own line
• {{Gift prefs}} is now fully automatic, thus the page should just have a simple call with no parameter given
• Do not leave empty sections, either add ''(To be added.)'' or simply hide it with <!-- -->
• Do not add manual categories as they are handled by the infobox ([[Category:Characters]] is added by default by {{Infobox character}})
• Remember to add Navboxes always under a ==Navigation== header
• Page name at the start of intro must be in bold '''Gort''' is the

[nova flume]

Yes, it is. :’>
And got it.

[vapid aurora]

another thing

on acount of trying to avoid stuff that's cancer to maintain for no reason, i've removed the "likes" and "dislikes" params from character infobox
with this i also added a param for |type= to properly categorize, with Dateable, Townie and Pet as the main types

[vapid aurora]

<@&909661844698972160> spam, please delete
Edit: thank you

[jaunty cypress]

Thanks for the callout!

[vapid aurora]

does anyone know if there is a portrait image for https://coralisland.fandom.com/wiki/Butter_(character) and https://coralisland.fandom.com/wiki/Bonbon like there is for https://coralisland.fandom.com/wiki/Taco and https://coralisland.fandom.com/wiki/Peanut?

[sterile hatch]

https://community.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:Jpearson/Technical_Updates:_June_30,_2023

[kindred beacon]

we don't have portraits for bonbon and butter D:

[vapid aurora]

do you think we could make them from cutting out the default sprite for each? kinda just want to have at least any icon to use, even if not official

kinda like we do on giw for like the harbingers and such

[kindred beacon]

Sure! Let me make them

I saw a few others too o:

[vapid aurora]

yea, semeru and a couple other merfolk need em too

goddess of flowers too

you can just check the character navbox

also, not sure what to do here, since now we have merfolk that are marriage candidates

also, where does the "the coral three" come from?

it doesnt even have a page and i cant find any mention anywhere aside from here

[kindred beacon]

from the kickstarter! https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/coralisland/coral-island-reimagining-the-farm-sim-game

it has a dash here

[vapid aurora]

is it used at any point ingame tho

[nova flume]

I leaned towards leaving the merfolk off the Marriage Candidates list for now. They won't actually be available for dating until sometime post-full release.

[vapid aurora]

do we want to decategorize them from marriage candidate then? and only keep the mention of them being planned for such a function in the late future?

[nova flume]

Sounds good to me!

[kindred beacon]

I don't see Coral Three in the files, but my FModel crashes if I try to export all folders, so it may be in the folders I didn't export.

I don't wanna clean Semeru's img

[vapid aurora]

lmao

can i just do this

having three separate lines is kind of obnoxious

[kindred beacon]

Can't tell apart the "Three" much

[vapid aurora]

is that better?

[kindred beacon]

What should the name format be? I uploaded a few but it's not updating

[vapid aurora]

<name> icon.png

[kindred beacon]

A lot better!

[vapid aurora]

for butter it should have the (character)

[kindred beacon]

Ah okay

[vapid aurora]

looking better

oh and for gort

we should probably use that silluete from the char menu in-game

[kindred beacon]

oh

dateable when mike got his semeru

[vapid aurora]

yes idk how to write siluete and i honestly dont care to learn, the word is trash

nori why did you switch grantle?

he's to the left on the image but to the right in the icon lmao

[kindred beacon]

oh that's what i have in the files o:

[vapid aurora]

they're saying hello to each other

[kindred beacon]

HAHAHAHA

will swap that one with the one we have

Mike I don't understand the template May I ask you to remove Files by date category if unfilled?

Or is that intentional?

[vapid aurora]

if it has no date i dont think it should be in a date based category lmao

[kindred beacon]

best row

[vapid aurora]

do we want a "wanted date" category still?

[kindred beacon]

Probably not for the assets

[vapid aurora]

currently it gives both an empty-sortkey "files by date" and a "files missing date"

[kindred beacon]

Only really need it for the artworks o:

[vapid aurora]

if there is no date

do you want the "wanted" category added by default? not added at any point? added with a boolean? removed with a boolean?

[kindred beacon]

Added with a boolean!

[vapid aurora]

do you want it to be a separate param, or a keyword on the same date param

[kindred beacon]

keyword in same date param. maybe "unknown"?

[vapid aurora]

smth like |want_date=1 or |date=TBA

prefer unknown over tba?

[kindred beacon]

it's the date the art was posted, not when it will be released, so i think unknown works better o:

[vapid aurora]

sure

[kindred beacon]

thank youuuuu

[vapid aurora]

done

[kindred beacon]

Beautiful!!!

ah did it add the category because it was #if instead of #ifeq?

[vapid aurora]

no it just had the category added on both the true and false of the #if

just one with sortkey and the other without

[kindred beacon]

Ahhh o:

[vapid aurora]

which like

makes no sense

bc if you introduce non-sortkey items in a sortkey based category

the sortkey becomes utterly pointless

since some items will be sorted based on sortkey, and others based on page title lmao

so for example a file named like File:13 Upcoming Features.png would be put before all the sortkey files since they all start as 202X-

[kindred beacon]

huh. i wonder why it's set up like that i copied it from genshin

[vapid aurora]

bc on genshin we're stricter with file names and most if not all files have the date added

so its not really much to consider

[kindred beacon]

i see o:

[vapid aurora]

but on this wiki

tbh the files names are hot garbage

specially the character files

i get they're prolly just copypaste from game files

but eugh

[kindred beacon]

we'll standardize them eventually! genshin was super messy too lmao

we need to entice gaboles so they categorize and use file template in everything

[vapid aurora]

like, File:Alice surprised-summer.png i hate it here

found a worse one lmao File:Wallpaper hand Alice-l.jpg

oh yea and on the topic of images

we need to phase out these https://coralisland.fandom.com/wiki/Denali#Gallery

[kindred beacon]

the tabbers?

[vapid aurora]

this should have never been a thing lmao

yea the tabbers

if you need to use tabbers (#youneveractuallyhavetousetabbers) then it shoud just be a gallery page instead

[kindred beacon]

tabbers actually working on mobile was your fix or did fandom fix it? (coping lol)

[vapid aurora]

my fix

template based

[kindred beacon]

[vapid aurora]

well, "my" based off sailing's attempt on another wiki

and i doubt fandom will ever make default tabbers work on mobile

being honest i prefer they dont because the tabber syntax is cancerous

and if it worked on mobile it would just incentivise even worse page formattings

since everything would just be thrown into tabbers without consideration just for the sake of "saving space"

[kindred beacon]

ugh i hate that

[nova flume]

Ah... How should I be naming files then?

[vapid aurora]

my main thing is not images so prolly nori would have better ideas for that, but my main issues with current names is:

• They dont have any indicator for when it is full sprite or head sprite
• The default outfits are called spring, which is 1, not true since its also on fall and winter, and 2 confusing as hell when its just the default
• The expresions are not properly marked as expression sprites
• Some are in title case and some in sentence case
• Files sometimes have simple and direct names and sometimes go full descriptor mode with an entire sentence (Christmas 2021.jpg vs Kickstarter final day promo with Denali.jpg)

an possible suggestion for the expression sprites i'd give is File:<char name> <outfit type if not default> sprite expression <whatever expresion name>

so like File:Alice sprite expression happy.png and File:Alice bathing suit sprite expression concerned.png

[nova flume]

But the only head sprites are the name.png ones, so what's the point of labelling all of the others.

And seasonal outfits are incomplete. The Spring outfits are still Spring even if the Fall and Winter ones haven't been added.

And why do expression sprites specifically need to be labelled as expression? Isn't that obvious from the fact they're titled with expressions?

I'd agree that the casing and naming scheme should be standardized, but those title suggestions are pointlessly long.

[vapid aurora]

If we want to keep the distinction of every seasonal outfit then there should be redirects made for the same names for the other seasons that reuse asset

Aka if we wanna keep calling it summer and spring outfits, then we should also clearly show the fall and winter outfits, even if they are repeated, as we cannot expect people to know or understand the assumption of "any season not mentioned just uses spring bc reasons" lmao

[nova flume]

People won't know that the update with Fall outfits comes out next month and Winter is a while off yet...? Almost like this is an unfinished game or something.

[vapid aurora]

I'm not saying that they need to know when the specific season outfits will release, I'm saying that currently we're making the reader assume what outfit is used in the seasons we don't mention

[nova flume]

Is that something that's actually giving anyone trouble though?

[vapid aurora]

Doesnt need to, this kind of stuff is just avoided as it is considered poor practice, stuff should very rarely, close to never, be left up to the reader to assume, specially when all it can be avoided with some short clarifications in the expression sections

Just smth like "during fall and winter X uses their spring sprite until blahblahblah" would avoid the reader having to assume anything

[cerulean flare]

hey peeps maybe you can help? folks in #🐔coral-general only confirmed the 2 per harvest part:
>> hi there folks. i started messing around with fruit plants in Fall Y1, planted 6 each lemon, pear and cocoa. wiki says it grows 10 days and regrows every 3. BUT, I got TWO fruits from each plant on 11th (it's okay, 10 days passed) - which by itself was a surprise, since..... nowhere mentioned you get TWO fruits per harvest. Next BUT - it's 14th, and NO next harvest. I'm puzzled to say politely. Can anyone kindly provide real data regarding fruit plants please? wiki seems to be "incorrect" on that matter

[vapid roost]

Hi guys. Sorry for the sudden notice.

I'd like to correct the unnatural Japanese translation, but I can't find the language file (the file containing the character's lines, etc.).

In addition, the folder that seems to contain such files was also locked, so I could not confirm the contents.

Anyone know where the files are?
If possible, it would be helpful if you could tell me both the Japanese version and the English version.

[nova flume]

I was able to view them with Fmodel, I think. They look like the right files anyway. ProjectCoral/Content/Localization/Game/en and .../ja

Do you need the AES key to decrypt them or...? (I only have a partial understanding of what I'm doing with these things, so if you can point me to what I need to do to get the files to you, pleases do. :'D)

[vapid roost]

Maybe I was opening the wrong folder.
I'll check it out.
Thank you for teaching me.

[nova flume]

Regrowth timer for fruit plants still says 3 days. Presumably bugged somewhere, but I'm not sure where.

[nova flume]

No problem! Keep me posted if I can help somehow!

[vapid roost]

I was able to open up to the ProjectCoral/Content/ folder.
However, I could not find the Project Coral/Content/Localization folder.
I don't understand why I can't find hidden files and folders even though I set them to be visible.
Can you tell me what to do if it's okay?

[nova flume]

Do you have a way of opening .pak files? FModel, Unreal Engine, etc? Everything is condensed into the ProjectCoral-WindowsNoEditor.pak file to start out with, so you'll need a way to open that first if you want to view all of the files as they are.

I was able to pull just the localization files though:
English: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1_1t5BINJ--TSUDzebnswIaV064cS7bpyAQPGF-6fLPg/edit?usp=sharing
Japanese: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1vUzZC7ad1c9Ku1TGe0P-DhODgnynbnZ1CDGys9lKTu8/edit?usp=sharing
They're kind of messy, and I'm not sure how many of the lines in there are actually used anywhere, but there they are. :'D

[vapid roost]

Thank you for teaching me!

I tried to open the .pak file, but in my case it said the file was corrupt and could not be opened.

Thanks for providing the PDF file as well!

[vapid aurora]

<@&909661844698972160> spam

[barren tinsel]

Thank you for the notice!

[solemn merlin]

I friends, is there someone I could talk to offline about the Modules you guys use? I love all of the work you guys have done with the wiki, and would like to learn about your automation for a different game I work on. Sorry if this isn't an appropriate topic for this channel. Just trying to find a way to learn the really cool things you guys have implemented. Thank you, and keep up the amazing work!

[vapid aurora]

most of the wiki-specific modules are made by me

so yes you can ask me about those

my dms are also open if you prefer that since it is indeed not really relevant to here if it is for another wiki

[solemn merlin]

It says you're only accepting DM's from friends and it wont let me friend you 😅

[vapid aurora]

oh lmao i have that off by default

forgor to turn it on

there

you should be able to now

[sterile hatch]

https://community.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:Jpearson/Technical_Updates:_July_14,_2023

[lament sundial]

It looks like the Raj page is still causing confusion about their pronouns. Can it be updated? #1128735354418106368 message

[vapid aurora]

done

[lament sundial]

Thank you!

[unkempt zodiac]

This question feels a little silly, but: is there a character called Ray? His birthday was added to the calendar, but I'm not finding him with a quick wiki search

... oh, it's a misspelled Raj 😂 Nm

[lament sundial]

Hey, it looks like Rafael loved items on wiki might not be accurate? There’s been questions about whether he still loves Onyx, can anyone confirm or update the page?

[nova flume]

The Likes section on the wiki pages are all automated now. It's missing because the specific page for Onyx hasn't been made yet. I'll throw something together for it real quick.

[lament sundial]

Oh so the item is now a like instead of a love? Do you know when that changed?

[nova flume]

Oh! No, it's still loved, but how the gifting list is populated on the wiki was changed. Sorry, eheh... :'D
I added a page for Onyx, so it should show up as Loved soon if it hasn't already.

[lament sundial]

Oh ok, I gotcha. Thanks Nautilus

[vapid aurora]

https://coralisland.fandom.com/wiki/Stamina_fruit?curid=8302&diff=37876&oldid=34252
can someone confirm if ratih does sell a stamina fruit and if the fruit now restores and increments by 100 instead of 45?

her shop's page didnt have any info on her selling one

so not sure if they're just wilding

also nautilus, on the onyx page, did you mean to add Common and Fire gem as categories? or is it just Common fire gem

asking bc currently its doing neither of these, but none of the categories exist nor are in use

[nova flume]

She should sell it in the Black Market, 30k. I think it's still an increase of 45, but the file that used to say doesn't anymore, so...

I meant for them to be separate, yeah. I wasn't sure if we wanted to do anything with them? Rarity is referenced for enchanting, but I don't know if the element is used anywhere.

[vapid aurora]

The element is more of a source info than an actual category of the gem

So I'd say there's no need to list them

Unless we want to also automate coffer/geode drops

Which would require adding each possible drop source to the relevant items

[nova flume]

Alright. Sounds good. :>

[vapid aurora]

Also wait, in the black market? There's already one source listed from black market at 180k

Is that the same source but with outdated price?

Have never gone to the black market myself ingame so no idea how it works

[lament sundial]

Black market was 180k and unlimited. Now it’s 30k and only one.

Unless it’s one a year, haven’t had a new year start since purchase

[vapid aurora]

so it is just outdated

will update then

[modern hill]

Stamina fruit purchase It’s once per file at black market

Flat 45 permanent increase to stamina bar
100% stamina refill when consumed (so the one from goddess is auto consumed but the one you purchase from ratih & the reward from museum you can consume at your leisure iirc)

[vapid aurora]

Kewl

Thanks for confirming

[modern hill]

& its less an issue now that the purchase is limited as originally intended but you can only consume 1 per day for the permanent increase to apply

The boost wasn’t applying for consecutive ones on same days

[flint gulch]

I noticed that the pineapple jam price is wrong.

I sold a silver quality for 375. But on the wiki it says 130.

I don't know if there are other mistakes, but it would be good to review, because currently almost no item is valid in the manson jar, Keg prices is always better.

[lament sundial]

Would be good to test if that’s still the case during beta

[amber pond]

The wiki list for the museum rewards seems to be out of date. It doesn't show Pumpkin seeds, Snowdrop seeds or glass and I'm pretty sure the Wakabanana outfit, compost, pumpkins, and tea leaves have all been replaced but I didn't realize it wasn't accurate until I went back over it trying to figure out how many items the snowdrop seeds were for someone else.

[kindred beacon]

oh no. that's my mistake. i copied the wrong jam i'll take a look at the prices again. thanks for letting us know!

@flint gulch I only spotted 4 when I based off base quality. I checked random pages to check all qualities but didn't spot any mistakes. May I ask what other item you spotted?

[jagged vault]

hey @nova flume i'm not sure which one is wrong- if it's the wiki or the files but if someone has time- for the empty cabin- wiki says after you earn 10mil you unlock melon seeds- but i unlocked them at 1mil

[kindred beacon]

I'm not sure why it's also being compared to keg prices?

[nova flume]

That is a mix-up in the files looks like. The achievement is labeled as 10mil but actually checks for 1mil. I'll make a note of it. :>

And I'll look through the museum rewards in the morning. Is time for sleeping.

[jagged vault]

rest well

[lament sundial]

Used to be when machines took longer to process that many chose mason jars over kegs for faster profit turnaround. I think that’s why. Completely irrelevant to the data sets in question.

[kindred beacon]

Oh thank you!

[sudden bluff]

i'll go check in my game as well. i found a few mistakes and fixed them, so i'll look through them later

[kindred beacon]

Ah I see. More price changes they changed how they made inventoryitems so it was a pain to check diff and make a sheet last patch

Oh nvm it was a change from 0.4 to 0.5

[sudden bluff]

some of the skill changes were also missing, I think. It looks like some infoboxes were changed/added on some pages but not others, but beta is soon so it might also be worth waiting?

it's likely that more changes will be made

also is it okay if i clean up the grammar etc ><

[kindred beacon]

Of course! Please feel free to change whatever you want!

May i ask what infoboxes?

I was in the middle of changing a lot of them to use infobox item but i've been so busy

[sudden bluff]

Oh, I fixed them - the skill pages, some of them were missing level 9
and the recipes they made had pages where the infobox was accurate but the description proper hadn't been changed

so the infobox would be say <skill> level 7 but the description still said <skill> level 6

i can't code, so my plan is to go through the pages later looking for similar discrepancies & possible typos

[kindred beacon]

With the exception of kimchi stuff, i think i updated artisan product prices. Not much for mason jars though o: I'll try to compare 0.3 to 0.5, i didn't datamine each hotfixes if ever changes were made in between big patches

[sudden bluff]

ah I didn't check those, I cleared my old sheets (I've been away for a while) to make way for beta details

[kindred beacon]

ah i see it's related to combat and masteries? i am lost in that aspect but please feel free to update stuff, we always need more help!

[sudden bluff]

Of course ♡

[lament sundial]

There were changes during one of the hotfixes. Gesha beans have been price adjusted again as an example.

[nova flume]

Museum list should be up-to-date now! Let me know if you catch anything I missed. :>

[flint gulch]

Thank you very much.
What I saw was just this one.
The rest was me thinking that maybe I could be wrong, because very few items are only worth using in the mason jar in relation to the keg. I think it's cool that they balance in the future to be 50/50, otherwise the mason jar won't be useful.

[meager zealot]

👋 Hi, just poking in for a sec. Was looking over the megasheet (adding some stuff to likes vs dislikes while there) and wondered why some items are listed in black while others are grey? At first I thought it just meant a row was complete/incomplete, but that seems inconsistent. 🤔

[unkempt zodiac]

Unrelated to the above question: Have we condensed or automated the gifting/preferences tables, btw? Is there a page I should use as reference if I get around to updating the artisanal category's items to a particular order? (If there isn't, would it be possible for us to make one, or perhaps to make a pinned post here?)

[vapid aurora]

There already automatic tho?

[foggy dew]

The grey formatting in the megasheet was indicating that the information had been migrated over to the wiki. It was done after a row was completed, but there may be more completed rows now that have yet to be migrated/confirmed in the wiki.

[meager zealot]

But then why are most of the empty rows grey? 🤔

[vapid aurora]

uhh, if y'all are talking about the google sheet pinned in this channel, i dont think its really being use at all currently?

wouldnt really recommend to use it as a reference for what is or isnt on wiki, or use it as reference for anything for that matter

[sudden bluff]

the google sheet is v...0.1?

[meager zealot]

So there is no longer a spreadsheet of info, just the wiki? I'm assuming that means all gifts have been accounted for, but some of the characters (like Antonio) have such small gift sections that I didn't think it was finished (does he really only have two loved gifts in all the giftable items?). Also, even the wiki seems to be at least a little out of date on this subject (was gifting from what I saw on the sheet and little wood satyr butterfly seems to be more universally hated than disliked?), so should I instead assume that ongoing changes have lead to those differences being ignored in the short term?

Sorry for coming out of nowhere and asking all these questions with no real knowledge. ^^;;

[sudden bluff]

There may have been changes - also the small gift sections, let me check that one

Oh it probably is just missing universally loved, unless that was deliberately left out

but he should have a few specifics as well

The wiki is official as in endorsed by the devs, but the work is fully voluntary so yeah it takes a lot more time

[meager zealot]

Yeah, it always feels weird to me when a character has this big area for liked or loved things, but then only a fraction of it ever gets used and the rest is blank or placeholder. 👀

[sudden bluff]

at the rest of the wiki folk:

is there a way for me to edit infoboxes etc? I was hoping to add the rest of the ocean critters now they're in beta (and label them as such) - is there a notice for 'beta only' as well - can't seem to find the template

[nova flume]

Alex's site (https://koenig.gg/coral-guide/people/gifting) probably has the most accurate, up-to-date info since he's able to pull the game data and format it more easily. (I... hadn't noticed that insects were shifted to hated. That could be a 'changed within the last few hotfixes and I missed it completely' situation, sorry. :'D)

But also, yeah, some characters just don't have many things (yet). Antonio's is just very sparse beyond the universals.

[nova flume]

What kind of editing do you mean?

But yeah, {{Beta}} for the header, and {{B}} for putting the little beta symbol next to things.

[sudden bluff]

The navbox* sorry is missing all the new critters

[nova flume]

Oh! Yeah, it's under Template:Navbox insects. :>

[vapid aurora]

Btw this is kind of not true anymore as well, as the wiki has been rid of any official staffers or anything through a wiki adoption process

So now it's basically fully fan for fan

[vapid aurora]

<@&909661844698972160> spam again

[viscid inlet]

thanks!

[sudden bluff]

oh sec all ocean critters are disliked

[unkempt zodiac]

I might not be describing what I mean very well, honestly! What I mean more is, is this the correct kind of format to use? ===Gifting=== {{Gifted item |love = |like = universal |neutral = |dislike = |hate = }}
Or do we have something that's more like: {{Crafting recipes by category table}}

[vapid aurora]

You mean on item pages or character pages

[unkempt zodiac]

Item pages, yeah! I still kind of want to go through this list of items someday (https://coralisland.fandom.com/wiki/Category:Artisan_products ) and standardize all of them, but I'm leery of doing it if I'm working off an old reference or not using the latest tables, since it gets discouraging if things change after major editing sessions 😂

[vapid aurora]

If its for item pages then yes, using {{Gifted item}} is the correct way

As for something similar to crafted recipes by Category, you are looking at it from the wrong side, just as you need {{Recipe}} on the item page to be able to obtain the information through crafted recipes by Category, you need {{Gifted item}} to get the information through {{Gifted prefs}}

As it should be obvious, it is much easier for each item to have it's own preference listing than having all the information on each character page, as that would require constant updating and quite honestly would present many issues on a technical implementation level

[unkempt zodiac]

I think I understand! I've implemented it on this page as a test: https://coralisland.fandom.com/wiki/Aged_barley_beer . With the old way, the beer was marked as a universal like, but now it's not marked for any of the preference categories; am I doing this incorrectly?

[vapid aurora]

You removed the parameters

Ofc it's not gonna mark as anything lmao

It's not automatic

As I said, you need to treat this as if it was {{Recipe}}

Have the actual information on the item page, get it easily elsewhere

the page was already correct before your edit

[vapid aurora]

if this is what confused you, i meant using the template "Gifted item" is the correct way, not literally just {{Gifted item}} and thats it

[unkempt zodiac]

Sorry, I'm unfamiliar enough with the templates that I don't know what {{recipe}} means, which is why I was asking 😂👍 I think this answers the original question I was trying to ask, though, which is that they're not automatic, and if the page now has its most up to date version

[vapid aurora]

the most up to date version of format, yes, most up to date information, that im not sure but i'd assume yes since artisan products are generally simple in prefs

[vapid aurora]

recipe is just whats used in the how to obtain sections, and what {{Crafted items by category table}} uses as a basis for information

think of it as a kind of infobox, but exclusive to how to craft the item

same for gifted item, its an infobox about the item's gifting preferences

[sudden bluff]

do we want to include the specific areas in the infobox? they're like 'unnamed area' right now especially for the 50-60m ones

*for critters

[vapid aurora]

@sterile hatch please update https://coralisland.fandom.com/wiki/MediaWiki:Messagewall-usertools-label to wall

[sterile hatch]

Done.

[sudden bluff]

Quick check you guys: is the giant isopod only daytime (morning & afternoon) or all day? i'm seeing conflicting information when I check

[nova flume]

Daytime only, from the version I was looking at.

[sudden bluff]

Okay, thanks! I'll go change the main page as well then ❤️

[sudden bluff]

@vapid aurora

just a heads up - i saw your message on the wall, but I need to let you know that I didn't write those from scratch. I created the pages but I copypasted off a pre-existing one, which still used the old version (I remembered it looking like that before v0.4 release, at least)

I think it might be worth going through old pages for re-standardisation. when I checked the various critter pages they also had differences from page to page before I added the new ones.

so i think the other one, the diving scavengables, i suspect it may be like that too because those were the two that didn't really get updated in previous patch but got updated majorly in beta

[vapid aurora]

Yea, many pages are still with old formats

[cold moat]

So, I've got a bit of a concern with wiki page bloat.

• Each individual artisan product item has its own page. This leads to a lot of very short pages that contain a lot of the same information as other pages, including likes/dislikes, where it's made, etc.
• You have an Artisan Products page that lists every single base-quality artisan product, as well as a sell-price and energy value. It excludes all items made in the Aging Barrel, as well as anything of bronze or higher value.
• You have artisan product pages, but they look like the image below. They're just a directory of other pages. The only information that this page provides is that all jams are made in the mason jar, and that everything listed here is a jam.

So we have lots of little pages that share lists of likes/dislikes, etc. (for example, Dippa, Erika and Paul all love jams, Sunny hates them, and everyone else likes them - regardless of what type), whether or not it's a temple offering or involved in a quest or used in a recipe (and for jam, it's no, no, and no). We have one massive list that doesn't even accurately represent every item in the game. And we have 'product type' pages that only direct you to other pages.

I think it would be better to get rid of the little pages, and use these 'product type' pages as the sole page for individal types

I apologise if this is something you have discussed already

[vapid aurora]

each item having their own page is the farthest from page bloat, it is just common recording of game content, just like each production machine has its own page, each item has its own page too, this is also just good practice that allows for easier automation, the pages being short is just due to the nature of each item, which just varies based on what uses it has, many items having similar or even exactly identical uses is in no universe reason to just not have the pages

and the "product type" pages as you call it exist as the game uses those terminologies for crafting recipes and such, for example a cooking recipe asking for "any bug"

[cold moat]

I just feel it would be better to consolidate them to single pages, and use tables or lists to note different sale prices/energy bonuses, since it would save having to go to several different pages to look at all the different items.

[vapid aurora]

they are not meant and will not be representing individual item's info, they are just a collection of "if the game asks for X, you can use any of these, and here's a list of recipes that ask for X"

for comparisons of prices and energy values there is already tables for that, one example being for crops, if any other group of items is interested in having a similar type of information, it can be brought up to try and figure out a way to accomplish it

[cold moat]

I'm just saying that putting all these different items on a single page, since the only thing that changes between each one is the sale price and energy value, would be an easier user experience. If every jam is not involved in a quest, does not get offered at the temple, and is not used in a recipe, is loved by Dippa, Erika and Paul, is hated by Sunny, and liked by everyone else, then it would be simpler for people using the website to be able to see that on a single page, rather than have to go to each individual page and check each individual one. And this can apply across the board for all artisan products.

Each production machine having its own page is fine, because these are single items; each artisan product, which are variations on the same core item, doesn't make sense to me.

[vapid aurora]

again, the separates pages exist for a reason and will not be removed, and such preferences are not surefire, there are specific items which deviate from the universal preferences or from a character's own general preferences, thus makes that also unreliable, but if a small notice of that kind of information is wanted, it can be added to the "product type pages" as new sections

having more information on some pages does not merit the deletion of others, these are not mutually exclusive

[cold moat]

All I am saying is that the condensation of information would make it much easier to navigate the website and find the information one is looking for. If specific variants of various artisan products are different to others - then they can be noted on the group pages. That would still be easier than having to check every page to know for certain. Being able to view the different prices and energy values all at once - rather than having to go to different pages and see each one - would be easier. That's the point I am trying to make here.

[vapid aurora]

and i've already said that those kind of informations can be added without issue to the item group page, i've only rejected the idea that anything needs to be deleted as that is nonsensical

[nova flume]

Making a note because I'm bound to forget: the 'Deep Forest' that was added in the Fall/Mermaid update to insect (and probably forageable) spawns is not a child of the existing Forest areas (Higher, Lower, Mid, Farm).

It is its own area, doing its own thing - at least as of the previous hotfix. I haven't installed the most recent one yet, but I don't know that they've done anything with that.

[modern hill]

From my testing so far the entire dig site is = Deep Forest

[nova flume]

Updated the interactive map image to its most current image which meant all of the markers were knocked out of place. I think I've gotten everything put back now (and started placing markers for where the hidden chests are), but if anyone notices anything I've missed, that's why and feel free to fix it. :'D

On that note: It's a really big file. Would we want to convert it to .jpg instead?

[sterile hatch]

https://community.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:Jpearson/Technical_Updates:_July_28,_2023

[sudden bluff]

Hey, not sure where to put this, but when the Jayakar's & Shiho's seahorses pull from the cooked recipes page, I think the apostrophe messes with something

https://coralisland.fandom.com/wiki/Shiho's_seahorse

you can see what it looks like

[vapid aurora]

done

[sudden bluff]

thank you!

[sudden bluff]

Hey, I wanted to add the new forage item pages

Is there any page that's confirmed up to date with current wiki standards that I coudl use as a ref?

[vapid aurora]

im not sure if anyone's gotten around to touch forage items at all

lemme give it a check

[sudden bluff]

Oh yeah but if there's one standard then I can def go edit the older pages to match as well

Thanks!

[vapid aurora]

https://coralisland.fandom.com/wiki/Ginger
edited to follow new standards, was mostly ok already

[sudden bluff]

ty!

[jade rune]

Good evening. I'm looking at the Wiki and comparing it to my excel calculations for ROI profits per day.. and the numbers for fruit trees don't appear to match up with mine. For example, at base (no bronze-osmium) quality an avocado fruit tree would net around 27.14g per day by the end of the second month. For a single month, it's much worse.. like -9.5g lost while attempting to overtake the cost of the seedling. I wonder if I am doing something wrong in my formula or if we're calculating different things?

[kindred beacon]

Hello! But do the other non-fruit trees match? We use the formula from the megasheet https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1oqaF61JTUJTFFXzdmhYZYRFpaLjhpNtfbRlEajE-XYA/edit#gid=220923381

[jade rune]

Sugarcane, we match up perfectly except that it's dividing by 27 days instead of 28. Know why that is?

Guess it doesn't matter, it's just how the data is presented.. profit over the course of growth days instead of day 1 as a seed. It just makes the numbers all slightly higher than what they would be for the 28 days of the season.

The doc is missing the avocado and some other crop data, so I'm guessing the wiki info was obtained some other way that wasn't quite the same.

[sudden bluff]

I realised that the scavengeables aren't showing the stone soup recipe even when they're listed under 'any edible items' - this applies for old ones as well

Is there a term I should use for those that are only edible items (not clams, etc) as well?

[vapid aurora]

"any X" recipes do not show on the specific item's page

they show on the item group page

so for a recipe asking for "any juice", it'll show only in https://coralisland.fandom.com/wiki/Juice, not in any of the specific juices (e.g., https://coralisland.fandom.com/wiki/Apple_juice)

for a more valid example, see https://coralisland.fandom.com/wiki/Honey

[sudden bluff]

ah okay, thanks!

[vapid aurora]

and it seems honey item pages are outdated

as they use a raw {{recipes by category table}} instead of {{cooked dishes by category table}}

will try to bot them

[sudden bluff]

The cooking item pages are all outdated as well, I think the infobox needs to be changed
I can input the new data no problem but the infobox looks like it doesn't account for the new update to quality?

[vapid aurora]

by cooking item you mean cooking utensils?

[sudden bluff]

sorry, I meant the ... cooked dishes

[vapid aurora]

ah lmao

[sudden bluff]

*the cooked dishes individual page, infobox

[vapid aurora]

food has quality now?

hmmm

[sudden bluff]

yep, as of beta

[vapid aurora]

tbh considering just ditching infobox food entirely and just using infobox item

[sudden bluff]

I mean, yeah, the only diff is the crafting section I think?

[vapid aurora]

crafting is supposed to be removed from infoboxes anyway

as its now in the how to obtain section through {{recipe}}

[sudden bluff]

makes sense

[vapid aurora]

and maintaining the same information both locations is difficult, on top of there being the possibilities of multiple recipes for the same item

making its display in infobox awkward

[sudden bluff]

I'm looking at the apple pie one right now and it is kinda squashed already in the infobox

[vapid aurora]

yea lmao

[sudden bluff]

I think the only one that might matter is the recipe source then, for the gifted ones, but then that could just go in the normal text?

[vapid aurora]

infobox item also has a param for sources

so not really an issue

[sudden bluff]

ah! d'oh me XD

yeah then there's functionally no difference anyway, might as well

and it should be easier for people to read anyway

since it's more standardised

[vapid aurora]

i've updated https://coralisland.fandom.com/wiki/Apple_pie to a new format, so if you want to update the rest of cooked dishes, you can use this one as reference

if any dish has a recipe source filled in, just add it to the source param as ;Recipe: <whatever the source is>

[sudden bluff]

Got it, thank you! I'll finish up the diving loot first

[sudden bluff]

https://coralisland.fandom.com/wiki/Giant_clam quick update: apparently we don't have a pic for it in the wiki

[nova flume]

Got it!

[sudden bluff]

Thanks Naut! Sorry to have to bother you guys for this ❤️

[nova flume]

No worries! 💙

[sudden bluff]

one more thing, my apologies - mangosteen doesn't show up on the artisan machine list
i did classify it as a fruit and it can be made into a jam I think, but it reads as 'no artisan goods'

[vapid aurora]

need to make its jam page

aka, just like https://coralisland.fandom.com/wiki/Apple gets its info from https://coralisland.fandom.com/wiki/Apple_jam
https://coralisland.fandom.com/wiki/Mangosteen needs a https://coralisland.fandom.com/wiki/Mangosteen_jam page to get info from

[sudden bluff]

AH okay
I'll get to it

[sudden bluff]

Okay, sorry, one more question -

Is there a way to make a beta tab etc. for the food, because I can't squeeze beta/main information on the same page, they're incredibly vastly different

[vapid aurora]

It would kinda mess up with the automatization so ideally no

Could you build a mock example of a food of only beta info? To compare what exactly changes from current

You can make it in a userpage

[sudden bluff]

Okay

But the main big three are:

Quality (so base to osmium)
Price differences
And each recipe now makes 2 instead of 1

[merry aspen]

does someone know where the files are located for coffer/geode item chances?

nvm found it: core/data/shops next to the subfolders - thats why i missed it if someone else needs it

[vapid aurora]

<@&909661844698972160> spam, plsnthx

[hallow locust]

Thank you!

[nova flume]

Ah, yeah. Sorry I missed this. :'D It's the nodecoffer processing file too for both of them. The geodes only one is they'd been trying to update and wasn't working.

Fossils are in a separate file in the same area, but they're a bit odd last I looked. There's a set of fossils for individual species that I think you can only get from Ratih and there's the set you can actually find that have a wider variety, and I think there's some overlap between them in terms of IDs? The ones called fossilA, fossilB, etc are the older, purchaseable species-specific form; the ones called SmallNode, MysteriousNode, etc are the newer, findable, varied form. I think. I haven't checked through them in a couple updates, and I'm not 100% sure how the overlapping ones work.

[merry aspen]

very useful, thanks. i was wondering which file the current one is, theres also multiple for some shops ... really confusing without seeing code of implementation haha

[nova flume]

It isss. :'D I wanna say for the most part the ones in the main Shops folder are the correct ones. Exceptions being the festival shops which have their own subfolder, and Sam's shop which uses the file in AlphaV1, I believe.

[merry aspen]

blacksmith is in alpha as well, at least theres the locket and ring

[nova flume]

Ahh. Yeah, maybe carpenter shop too. AlphaV1 has the aquariums.

Lab Upgrades, as well... Okay, maybe AlphaV1 is right for most things in there. :'> BOS shop in the main folder has all of the swords and rings though.

[merry aspen]

man, are they working against us? :D jk maybe i should write some notes where to find what ...

[merry aspen]

i noticed that the sum of all chances it not always 100, sometimes lower, sometimes higher, do you know if thhey just use the sum as chance-maximum or do they have calculation errors?

like if chance is 10% but chance of all items is 50%, is it a true 20% chance or is every roll over 50% "an error"?

[nova flume]

I really don’t know for sure, sorry. :’D
I’m guessing it’s the former? Lists that go over 100% still seem to be able to roll all possible items (to my knowledge), but… no idea.

[merry aspen]

So the real chance would be the „chance“ value divided by sum of chance values? I mean it makes the most sense, but you know the bugs lately … who really can tell

[merry aspen]

seems like they fixed it between the last version i had and the current one

[sterile hatch]

https://community.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:Jpearson/Technical_Updates:_August_11,_2023

[kindred beacon]

https://coralisland.fandom.com/wiki/Fruit_(group)
would this particular group page benefit with grouping them by seasons?

oh hm.
https://coralisland.fandom.com/wiki/Insect
https://coralisland.fandom.com/wiki/Insect_(group)

[vapid aurora]

yea it should be separate

the group page is just for the "used as a group"

[kindred beacon]

okay, then will add the {{for}}

or whatever that template is

[vapid aurora]

i'd say its see also lmao

[kindred beacon]

that one LMAO

[vapid aurora]

but for would work too

depends how you word it

[sick roost]

anybody have info for last event to lily ?

1 staff say this wiki page is false

apparently this is not the right place/ time/ weather

[cerulean flare]

since when dishes may have quality??????? new update feature?

[vapid aurora]

apparently beta

[jagged vault]

there's a lot of changes coming to cooking

[jagged vault]

it isn't that the wiki is false- it's that it is done BY PLAYERS- like you were told
the wiki is not official as the team has nothing to do with it- the dev team is also bound by NDA- we have data miners who look for info

BUT

just because it is in the files- does not mean it is in game- you come across very mean/rude and i dont think you mean to

but most likely it isn't in game if it isn't working based on what we see in files- it has happened before and will happen again

[sick roost]

yes i know

i just asking

but it's ok if we dont have info

[jagged vault]

we have the info- if it isn't triggering based on what the wiki shows- it isn't in game

[sick roost]

I was told it was somewhere else

or a question of weather or temporality

but idk, i just waiting and i made research

[nova flume]

Let me grab the latest patch, and I can look it up again. You're wanting the 8b cutscene?

[sick roost]

y

[nova flume]

Alright, so here's what I can see for it:

[sick roost]

so idk why i cant launch it

[nova flume]

I'm not sure either. :< It's the only scene that uses that location, so maybe the area wasn't set up properly. Or there's some tiny typo or flag somewhere that isn't going off right.

It has a script and sequence instructions, so it doesn't seem to be a lack of those - though I can't read the sequence to see if there are any bugs in there... Sorry though. :<

[sick roost]

np thk for you help

[nova flume]

Actually... I noticed that Lily's first 8 heart cutscene is called "HS_Lily_Heart_8A", but when 8B checks to see if it's been viewed, it checks for "HS_Lily_Heart_8". I'm wondering if the difference of the A is what's breaking it.

[sick roost]

i can take your info and talk with staff in modmail ?

[nova flume]

If you'd like, sure.

[sick roost]

thk

[frozen seal]

Hi all, minor thing but on the wiki on the big Gift Preferences table/page a few of the group likes and dislikes aren't showing up for me. Specifically I noticed Macy's dislike of all fruit and all pickles, Eleanor's like of all bugs and all fish, and Surya's like of all kelp essences. The data seems to be there but it's not populating.

Also thank you so much for all the work you do, the wiki is incredible and I use it constantly 🙂

[frozen seal]

I was trying to resolve the issue I mentioned above and I think it may be a result of some fandom quirks. For example, info has been added to Macy's neutral_groups, dislike_groups and hate_groups, but since there are no individual items in the neutral, disklike and hate subheaders the associated groups are not displayed. I tried to show the subheaders in question by selecting their check boxes on the left of the edit panel however as they are empty they are revereted to hidden when I hit apply.

Hope that was all helpful - thanks again!

[nova flume]

Nah, it isn't fandom, I don't think. It's the code for the gift table. Pretty much, the display checks for individual items first, then it checks items groups. The problem it's hitting is that those characters only (dis)like item groups, so it's failing the first check and not writing the section.

I'm not super great at coding, but let me see if I can cobble together a fix.

Okay, it's probably not the prettiest thing coding-wise, but it looks like it might be working on my end?

[vapid aurora]

no yea thats perfectly fine the way you did it

[frozen seal]

It's fixed on my end now too - thanks for figuring it out!

[sudden bluff]

Leaving a note here first:

beta -- all winter plants are now rank C, including, well, plants
I'm just waiting to see if that's a bug

[lament sundial]

With || pet adoption || being a thing in beta, is there a list of love/like gifts for them?

[sick roost]

i go trying with my pet for checking that

@lament sundial yes

[lament sundial]

I meant a more comprehensive list for each pet, Naut could probably grab it for us later

[nova flume]

Yeahyeah, I can probably pull it and put it...somewhere. For the time being at least.

I don't know if we want it on the main gift preferences page? Or if that make the page too bloated?

All this assuming they even have unique preferences at the moment.

I'm not seeing a unique file file for them and they don't seem to be on the main file (or at least Bast and Bode that I searched for aren't).

I'd assume universals unless somebody finds something out of place.

[sterile hatch]

News about Quick Answers and performance improvements: https://community.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:Brandon_Rhea/Technical_Updates:_August_25,_2023

[kindred beacon]

Naut, just in case you're interested, we also use AutoWikiBrowser to semi-automate edits in the wiki. Like, if you need to change all instances of Character portraits to Character full body expressions. Or even create new pages o:
https://community.fandom.com/wiki/Help:AutoWikiBrowser
You'll need to get a bot account for it so your edits don't flood Recent Changes.

Oh or maybe we can poke moviesign to update the bot account's type so you don't have to email fandom support

[sterile hatch]

Yep, I can do that.

[nova flume]

Oh! Sorry, eheh... :'D
Will this account work? https://coralisland.fandom.com/wiki/User:NautsBot

[kindred beacon]

Oh, it's no problem! I was just thinking if you ever want to speed up the process of repetitive stuff. Feel free to poke me or mike as well if you need help with setting stuff up or advanced way to search for stuff

Hi @sterile hatch, may we request for naut's bot to be flagged?

[sterile hatch]

Yes, as long as you have set up a BotPassword as described here: https://community.fandom.com/wiki/Help:Bots

You can log in by hand using whatever password you set when you created the account, but when logging in via AWB, you have to use the BotPassword.

[sterile hatch]

Bot is flagged. Sorry, forgot to reply yesterday

[kindred beacon]

thank you so much!!!

[sterile hatch]

https://community.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:Jpearson/Technical_Updates:_September_8,_2023

[amber pond]

FYI the data in the wicky for House Upgrade 2 is now incorrect. It has changed to 10 bronze bars instead of 5 bronze and 5 silver.

[viscid otter]

guys i already fixed some of the lab upgrade equipments, and i already upload some of the icon image, though i don't know what should we use for the text case on the item naming like "Sentance case" or "Capitilize Each Word"

[nova flume]

Sentence case, barring the initials in the Auto SFH probably. :>

[viscid otter]

well in that case i accidentally using "capitalize each word" and i cant change it because if i changed it the icon would be gone 😥 i'm so sorry

[nova flume]

No worries! Ican get 'em moved around in a bit. :>

[viscid otter]

okayy tsym!! and sorry again

[nova flume]

Thank you for getting them!

[desert shore]

I'm not sure if this is the best place to put it, but I've got no experience in wiki editing, so wanted to give a heads up to those who are -

Jack is missing from the Townies section of the navigation panel that shows up on character pages. He should be between Frank and Jim.

[nova flume]

Got it! It might take the navbox a little bit to update, but he's on there now!

[viscid otter]

hi, what's the different between infobox item and infobox equipment ?

[nova flume]

I think the plan was to phase out Equipment and use Item for everything. But might want to poke @vapid aurora or @kindred beacon to be sure.

[viscid otter]

ahhh i see, so equipment would be like tools, sword etc and items are chest, scarecrow? or am i wrong lol

[vapid aurora]

They're all items

At first there was a different Infobox for each type of item

And slowly it's been tried to merge all into using a general item infobox

[viscid otter]

ah okay then, thank youu

and btw we can't put the crafting recipe on the infobox item right? because i tried to put the crafting items and it didnt show up

[nova flume]

Nope, the Item infobox doesn't have space for recipes.

[viscid otter]

gotchaa, thankyuu

[vagrant bloom]

I would think expanding it to include a space for the recipe (if there is one) would be a good thing.

[viscid otter]

i do think so put the recipe on infobox would be a great option eventhough not all items can be crafted

[vagrant bloom]

I looked at the Stardew Valley and Factorio wikis, and they both include the recipe ingredients for craftable items.

[nova flume]

I think the difference is that we have recipes in the body of the page instead. They'd be redundant in the infobox as well. And some things have multiple recipes to 'em too; it might get cluttered.

[vagrant bloom]

I checked, and Factorio does have some items with multiple recipes. Those items, the recipe is listed in the body. Anything with a single recipe is in the info box.

Compare: https://wiki.factorio.com/Chemical_plant

With: https://wiki.factorio.com/Solid_fuel

[viscid otter]

guys btw the scarecrow also not connected with the farming equipment (?) if i use the infobox item

[vapid aurora]

no reason to have such wildly uneven formatting for recipes when just listing it in the body is more than enough

[vapid aurora]

not sure what you mean

[viscid otter]

i mean the link to "Category:Scarecrows" doesn't linked when using the infobox item as you can see on my screenshot

[vapid aurora]

bc it doesnt link to the category page

it links to the article

so an item that has "fruit plant" listed as an item category will have a link to https://coralisland.fandom.com/wiki/Fruit_plant

in case you're misunderstanding, the category is added regardless of if the link exists or not, the link there is simply for navigation

and as a further side note, these links should not be redirects to category pages, as linking to categories should be avoided on articles

so pages for each of these types should eventually be made, explaining what they are, what their functions are, which items fall under the group, etc

[viscid otter]

ahhh got it, thanks for the explaination

[brave gale]

When will the diving pier section become available? I am trying to go further in the game for diving and need some help. But that section is not done yet.

[vapid aurora]

Does this page not cover your necessities? https://coralisland.fandom.com/wiki/Diving

[vapid aurora]

<@&909661844698972160> spam

[hallow locust]

Thank you!

[jagged vault]

@nova flume have you had a chance to double check heart events?

[nova flume]

Ah, not since Todomikari was asking about Lily’s a while back. I can run through them again in a bit.

[sudden bluff]

Thank you!

[ashen hinge]

Just FYI. I caught a Lionfish off the dock by Zarha's boat in summer 21 at 16:40 in the afternoon with the osmium rod.

[vapid aurora]

<@&909661844698972160> spam yet again

[hallow locust]

https://tenor.com/view/zenitsu-zenitsu-agatsuma-demon-slayer-kimetsu-no-yaiba-gif-14668491

Thank you for the notification

[vapid aurora]

do i have to ping again

[jaunty cypress]

You do not lol

[vapid aurora]

thanks lmao

[sterile hatch]

A few updates:https://community.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:Jpearson/Technical_Updates:_September_22,_2023

[hallow coral]

Hi! I wanted to bring this up, but in Fall page, it puts Amaranth in the Multiple Harvest page, but when I bought the seeds today in the game, in the seed description it doesn't mention it has multiple harvest like pumpkins do.

Oh also, Cotton is a winter seed too for it mentions that in the seed description. It's on the Fall page too.

[nova flume]

Amaranth is regrowable, I'm pretty sure. It's possible the in-game description was never updated.

I'm not sure what you mean about Cotton? :'D It should be a Fall and Winter crop. Or is that the in-game description needing updated too?

[hallow coral]

Maybe. I take it you tested it out for yourself hmm?

It would be amazing if Amaranth was regrowable, I'd have unlimited flour source.

[nova flume]

Ahh... Not so much. It says it should be internally though.

[hallow coral]

Btw, are there plans to make a Harvest Festival Display Contest guide as far as a points system goes?

[nova flume]

I'll try to get something put together for it sometime this week. :'>

[hallow coral]

Aww thanks

[sudden bluff]

Cotton is weird because it's a fall/winter crop but for some reason Sam only sells it in winter the first time around
but if you buy a lot, you CAN plant it in fall iirc (unless they changed it) - I haven't done it in a while

[tiny lava]

How come i didn't know that cotton can also be planted on fall 😩

[sudden bluff]

because it's not intuitive? since he only sells it in winter XD

[vapid aurora]

You have to buy up in winter, save them for three entire seasons then use them

Its a pretty bad system

[modern hill]

imma have a thread in #1027414085656129616 soon which will hopefully help for people finding info 🤞

WIP sheet but link is live now https://discord.com/channels/623097219628662784/1156410674583449760

[nova flume]

Got the basic scoring system up. Couple things:

• Do any vegetables break the 300c mark? Never mind, Cauliflower do at least. and
• There's something called a QueryTokenStream attached to each category. I have no idea what it is. Or if it even does anything? For fruits, vegetables, flowers and artisan products it's 0, 1, 1, 1, 0. Barn and coop products have longer lists with 2s, 3s, and 4s. Don't know what those do, if they're adding or multiplying anything, or they're just keeping a tally of something.

[nova flume]

Tentatively assuming Bobby's Year 3 sets are where he stays for the rest of the game since there are five of them compared to three for Years 1 and 2. He has a default set of 6 osmium Grapes in there as well that I can't tell if gets used or is just a formatting template/placeholder/bug catcher thing.

Poke at me if any of that is inaccurate. :'>

[modern hill]

from scoring:

Assuming the player could display 400Coin+ value, osmium-quality products for each of the six categories, the maximum amount of points earned would be 386. In the current version of the game, however, there are no available vegetables worth more than 300Coin, making the maximum possible score 381.

its 386 186 & 381 181

[nova flume]

Oop! Thank you! I can math. :'D

[lament sundial]

3, 1, what’s the difference? 👀

[sudden bluff]

2

*runs

Hmmm
Actual quesh
The sell price is calculated without perks, right

Because that would potentially change the value of some items

[nova flume]

I can't tell from my end; it's just listed as, like, startprice or something along those lines.

[sudden bluff]

Yeah, that's why I was wondering

I dunno if startprice refers to just the non-perk price or the price category

[nova flume]

Could maybe test it with a bronze melon? 268c normal, 308c with +15% price boost. See whether it gets 6 or 8 points?

[sterile hatch]

Experiment results, etc https://community.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:Jpearson/Technical_Updates:_October_6,_2023

[jagged vault]

<@&909661844698972160>

They're in a bunch of channels

[sharp lichen]

So it wasn't so much a concern as just curiosity.

I'm slowly trying to do more to help either retrain my brain or cope with my TBI. and I know it's detailed on the site but me reaching out directly is more productive then me reading and trying to work it out on my own.

I, due to a near fatal car accident, have become the stay home parent, so if I can help, well... im offering. I just do have some cognitive things I have to work around so I might need a second set of eyes from time to time

@jagged vault

[jagged vault]

@nova flume is going to be someone to talk to here or even @sudden bluff

[sharp lichen]

lol well ty for tagging them for me lol 🧐 🤓

[sudden bluff]

I usually hop in to change stuff if needed, not so familiar with the inner workings of the wiki

[nova flume]

I can try to help where I can! Unfortunately, I don’t know a lot about the automation set-up that Mike and Nori did.

[sharp lichen]

@nova flume when u meen automation what r u referring to.

Side note I take it then I should just figure out the setup in my end send then hop in the wiki to help where I can

[nova flume]

By automation I mean things like on the Crops page where the list of crops by season pulls the data stored in the different crops' infoboxes automatically instead of needing to be entered by hand. If that makes sense? Setting up stuff like that and getting it to work correctly is a little beyond me.

Just updating pages is fairly straightforward. Fandomwiki has a visual editor that works similar to most other text editors. The source editor allows a bit more control over the elements but requires a bit of learning wiki syntax to work. I'm not sure how deeply you want to get into that?

As for the data itself, you can base it things from your own game - I haven't played the game personally in a while, so details how things actually play out are a bit beyond me. Just keep price modifying skills in mind when updating prices.

If you want to dig into the raw data files, I use a program called FModel to look around, and I can help you set that up if you'd like. I know we still have a fair amount of character art that needs pulled and cropped, at a minimum, probably in-game pricing updates too.

[hallow coral]

Hey Editors, y'all might want to edit the Fall Calender. On it, it says Lily's bday is Fall 19, along with Randy. Well, in game, the calendar there says it's Randy's bday only. I can't remember which date Lily's bday got moved to, but just wanted to make y'all aware.

[blissful carbon]

I tried to find out how to edit it but I didn't understand it, it seems the sell values for Smoked fish are off

[kindred beacon]

food has rarity now

need to update infobox

will get to it on monday (or if I can anytime soon) ;_; but @blissful carbon, other than artisan products, prices are automatically calculated from their base value.

[blissful carbon]

👀 I seee

[kindred beacon]

we can get this from datamining. base sell price is 24

so you ideally only need to change sell = 24 in the infobox

[blissful carbon]

that sounds clever

[brave gale]

Could we add pictures to locations? Such as if I searched forest lake. It gives an image of the location. I do better with a visual view than reading where it should be.

[hallow coral]

Another Birthday change. On Winter 8 on the Wiki, there's 3 bdays, but in the game, Wakuu is the only one who's bday is on that date.

[lament sundial]

If you hover, it lists all 3 in game calendar (or at least it should)

[sterile hatch]

https://community.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:Jpearson/Technical_Updates:_October_20,_2023

[viscid otter]

hi, this is the icon for merit points, if someone wants to update the merit points page 😁

[viscid otter]

should we include the cotton quality sell price in here ?

[rough wasp]

it would be nice to have price for other quality too

[deft lintel]

Good day! I noticed some confusion on the the contents of the fossils page while checking the wiki.

1. Content of the Small Node (bright red) fossil is not the actual content of the fossil in game.
2. Content of the Medium Node (orange) fossil is not the actual content of the fossil in game.

So I tried testing and found out the actual contents of the small and medium nodes on the wiki are swapped. Perhaps it can be edited and swap the content to match the following category.
Contents of the small node on wiki is the content of the Medium (Orange) node in actual game.
Content of the medium node on the wiki is the content of the Small (bright red) node in actual game.

Hope this helps.

[brazen gazelle]

hi, i was just curious if the wiki would/is ever forking from fandom?

[sterile hatch]

I sincerely hope not 🙂

[iron widget]

hi! the dehydrator also turns the cut grass (fiber) into hay - which the wiki doesn't reflect https://coralisland.fandom.com/wiki/Artisan_product#Dehydrator

[flint gulch]

https://coralisland.fandom.com/wiki/Fertilizer_III

It's 157g not 307g

[nova flume]

@deft lintel @iron widget @flint gulch
Think I got 'em all.

We may wanna take another look at how characters' schedules are laid out. The dateables are going to turn into a mess now that marriage and children are in the game.

Not a clue how to begin making those look nice and sensible. :'D

[sterile hatch]

Report notifications are live: https://community.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:Antonio_R._Castro/Everything_You_Need_to_Know_About_Reported_Notifications

[viscid otter]

hello, for shop table should i use {{g|225}} (upper the scrap one) or 225 {{g}} (below one), though personally i like the below one better but the price would not visible in {{Shop availability}}

[lilac sand]

Top. Keep it consistent with the rest of the site

[viscid otter]

alright!

[sterile hatch]

Thanks extension is live also: https://community.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:CuBaN_VeRcEttI/Thanks_extension_is_now_available_to_all_communities

[terse aspen]

if I want to contribute to the official wiki, do I just make an account there? Or how do you want contributions?

And I'm assuming you've abandoned the fandom wiki?

[nova flume]

...I thought there was only the one wiki?

[lilac sand]

Theres coral.guide which pulls directly from game code. But fandom is the first to show up in searches

[nova flume]

Alex's site isn't a wiki though, and I don't think there's any way to contribute to it beyond just talking to him about stuff.

And I'm not sure why the fandom wiki would be abandoned when people are still actively working on it. :T

[terse aspen]

I don't know. It just says a lot of things there aren't in the game yet as it's not released. Which is outdated information. Which is why I assumed it was abandoned since fandom has had a very bad reputation as of late.
Other than that. I just clicked the wiki link in the game menu, you know?

[lilac sand]

i need an income that isnt murdering my will to live. Then i can work on it, update it, perhaps talk to devs and wiki.gg folks to transfer it somewhere better. Ive already got experience there, and friends who know more coding stuff

[terse aspen]

I just assumed. Sorry...
It's the one that is like "coralwiki.stairwaygames.com" that I'm referring to.

[nova flume]

Huh... No, I've never seen that one before. If we were supposed to be doing things somewhere else, I don't think anyone bothered mentioning it here.

[terse aspen]

sounded very official with the stairwaysgames domain. And it being linked in the main menu

[nova flume]

Yeah. Looks like the devs set it up. But they never mentioned it here.
I haven't been able to play the game in months? a year?, partly because I've been busy trying to keep the wiki up to date and getting burned out on the whole thing.

[lilac sand]

Oh mood

[nova flume]

Bluh... I give up. I'm done putting effort into something that apparently no one uses or is supposed to use.

[lilac sand]

Thats fine. Taking break or hiatuses or just leaving forever is ok. All work you did do is appreciated

[jagged vault]

I think if more of knew how to help without overwhelming it. I would on my days off but it seems like the couple things I had done were reverted so I stayed out :/

[kindred beacon]

may i ask your username in fandom?

was checking wiki and this channel because i was committing to jumping back in, but this is kind of a turn off. they never bothered to say anything about this.

[kindred beacon]

it's not like we're not already in the official discord. communication could have been done and we could put our efforts in the correct place.

if they wanted to gatekeep wiki editing in this site to themselves then

[lilac sand]

Lol, my last game did that. So we had wiki.gg copy it and got that all pretty while slowly destroying the fandom. If we are making the wiki, we are in charge, end of story

[jagged vault]

This was WAY back when. I don't know enough about the wiki program now. I'd have to learn. I still reference the wiki for stuff when I know the info is current. It IS still helpful. It's just getting everything updated. And 1600 pages is daunting

[viscid otter]

just trying to say the wiki is very helpful, im sorry if you feel that way, i love using wiki and i tried as much as i can updating it

[sterile hatch]

What sort of updates are we talking about? I can't add new information, but I have a bot that can make automated changes as needed. We can use infobox templates to automatically add categories to pages based on the info in the parameters. What are the tedious tasks and how can we make them less so?

People will go where the information is, so regardless of what the devs do, the wiki to which you've been contributing is most likely the primary source for those that play the game.

[nova flume]

It's mostly information that needs added and/or updated. It's just a big game with a lot of little parts that sometimes get tweaked between updates. Going through and adding or verifying things is time consuming, and I'm not sure what options there are for making it easier beyond just doing it.

Mike did a lot of work to get data to cascade to where it's needed, but every individual item, animal, and character still needs to be gone through and re-checked.

Guh. I dunno. I was working on trying to get all of the character art, heart events and letters up-to-date. Is there somewhere I should focus on instead? I know I had stuff in fossils and artifacts I needed to update and tidy.

[lusty adder]

I've seen most people asking about heart events and such in regards to wiki confusion, so I think that seems like a really good plan

[viscid otter]

do we have " {{g|500}} " for merit points ?

[nova flume]

We do now. :> {{Merit|}} or {{M|}}
I'll need to figure out how to get the shop availability to pull it probably.

[viscid otter]

yay finally, thankyouuu!!!

[nova flume]

Or, ah, maybe Mike or Nori will have to handle getting shop availability to pull it. I am not that confident in editing this. :'D

[viscid otter]

also i need a bit help, i already create the winter festival page (idk which one is right :' winter fair or festival) i wrote it "winter festival" not winter fair https://coralisland.fandom.com/wiki/Winter_Festival

[nova flume]

Stairway isn't great with consistency, so I'm sure they've used both. :p
I moved it to Winter Fair and left Winter Festival as a redirect just in case.
But anything else with a typo'd name or title, you can go into the little dropdown menu and pick Move to rename it. :>

[viscid otter]

ahh i see, hahaha thank you for the help btw!!

[solemn merlin]

I fixed the Merrit thing, kinda. I think shop availability needs something special to remove the words, since it appears when the template was created if the currency wasn't coins it added the text (I think).
But removeing {{M|##}} in the shop and just doing Merrit Points*### makes it so it pulls on the shop availability template, rather than being blank.

(Just as an FYI - The template documentation on this wiki is really good, it tells people how to format stuff like that, helpful for the future)

[dusty lance]

If I wanted to become a Wiki editor, do I just... start editing? Or do I need to do anything here before I start? And do I need to get changes approved?
I was thinking about expanding the Furniture section, and adding a column for dimensions, so people planning farms can have the list readily available, but I don't want to step on any toes...
Edit: Looks like there is a lot of special functionality and I've never done this before, I'm just a very meticulous person. Not asking for hand-holding, more than willing to figure it all out, just saying I may be a little dumb.

[solemn merlin]

I cant speak for the CI wiki specifically, but I know on the wiki I am an admin of, you just need a fandom account. You can begin editing after that. Some fandom wikis you dont need to have an account to edit, though I know most prefer to associate an edit with a name.
Changes don't get "approved" but some wikis do have a "patrol" option for admins, that tells other admins "hey I looked at this, and its good", but for the average user you just make good-faith edits.

A lot of stuff in this wiki is done in modules and templates, so familiarizing yourself with those will help a lot (like I said above, they did a great job at documentation on how to use them). I'd recommend reviewing the manual of style, especially if you haven't done a ton of wiki editing in the past (https://coralisland.fandom.com/wiki/Coral_Island_Wiki:Manual_of_Style).

[dusty lance]

Thanks for the info! I will def look over the manual and try my hand at making some edits after I make an account!

[viscid otter]

@nova flume sorry for tagging you, kinda want to ask, should we put the wedding outfit on the front page of the character?

[nova flume]

I've been going with no, just put seasonal outfits on the front page. It seems kind of long otherwise.

[viscid otter]

alright then

[dusty lance]

Hey team, someone asked if we could include a page on how to make money quickly for new saves/players... Does this seem like an OK page addition? Maybe like a tips and tricks kinda page that can link to other relevant pages? Any thoughts?

[dusty lance]

Also, where are the images being pulled from, if anywhere? Are they being pulled from game files?
Thank you in advance for the info, sorry to be a bother 🙂

[kindred beacon]

Hello! Sorry, I don't agree with a tips and tricks kind of page in a wiki. It's telling players how to play, subjective, and hard to maintain if we get more changes/updates. I believe we should just record game info and enable others to come to their own conclusions. This might be more suited to a blog post or your user namespace, but not the main namespace of the wiki o:

And yes, images are pulled from game files through FModel

[kindred beacon]

thanks for helping with this geekette! not sure if there's any more action needed. i need a refresher on this template and i haven't gotten back to the game so I'm not fully understanding what needs to be done yet

[lone harness]

hello! just wondering about this section since the game is full released, can someone please put the full release date here?

[solemn merlin]

I was able to figure it out because of all of the help Mike did, walking me through the DPL stuff for the wiki I am admin of. Happy to give back even if it was just a little bit 😂

[viscid monolith]

Hello!👀 This is my first time stepping my foot here hehe

I just wanna let you guys know, https://coralisland.wiki/wiki/Main_Page is now live!
Now you can help contribute to the wiki web that we hosted!✨

[ember wadi]

Sorry if this is out of pocket, but would it be able to make the wiki lists sortable? For ex i want to know what i can catch on a stormy summer day, being able to sort by weather/season would be ideal.

[lilac sand]

🤔 fish table is already sortable

[ember wadi]

Some tables on the fish page are but not the main bit

[lilac sand]

Odd, it is for me

[nova flume]

Ally is trying to use the official wiki, I think, not the fandom one.
And Iiii don't know how much we're allowed to change on the official one?

[solemn merlin]

How much is the community allowed to do in this hosted wiki?
It looks like there is a LOT of manual stuff... which moves away from some of the DPL automation people in the fandom wiki spent a lot of time doing.

[viscid swift]

Ahhhh, okay; besides DPL automation, what other feature from Fandom does everyone here need on our wiki?
We can help add it to our wiki, we will need time, but we can work it out

[viscid swift]

Oh also can you explain what is DPL automation and how you all usually use it?

[nova flume]

DPL - as far as I understand it - allows us to make data tables than can be referenced and updated across multiple pages.

Like I saw some recipes were updated in the last patch, with the automation in place, I only need to update the recipe on its specific page and all other pages that reference the recipe, like the pages for its ingredients and the page that has a list of all the game's recipes, will update to match so we don't have to track them all down.

[solemn merlin]

DPL basically reads categories and will pull data from pages that match those categories onto other pages.

Nautilus' description is spot on. To explain what is going on behind the scenes a bit:
A recipie template will auto create categories (that usually get hidden) that say "uses cheese". Then on the cheese page, we use a different template that uses DPL to read all of the pages that have the category "uses cheese", and then we can display all of them on the cheese page. If a new item then uses cheese, the DPL template will automatically pick it up and put it on the cheese page.
I usually explain it as "a template that creates categories" is paired with one or more templates that "read categories" and displays data based on that.

https://m.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:DynamicPageList

Here is the media wiki info on it

[viscid swift]

Thank you Nautilus and geekette! Will relay this to the team

[vapid aurora]

the main issue was already solved but i've just added a method to include other currencies to the same format as coins, and to change the table's default currency so that raw numbers can be used

the _Currencies is to detect when to use smaller icon when the cost is used by name

updated the Shop template documentation accordingly

mentioning just in case it becomes a case

if a shop ever needs multiple currencies at once

e.g., 500 coins and 200 merit points

there is no option but to use name format

so Coin*500,Merit Point*200

the currency param only counts for when the input is plain number, otherwise its wholly ignored

[vapid aurora]

am late, but wanted to ask, to what degree can we change stuff? and is it possible we could get into conversations with admins of the site directly, bc just upon a quick glance there is a plethora of CSS issues i've noticed, specially on mobile skin

but if we're going to have to play the game of telephone with every change it's going to get pretty annoying pretty quickly

also, if DPL is/will be a thing, it'd be a good idea to fix the pages currently existing to a proper format that will work with DPL

instead of putting it off and then have to change way more pages

if Lua is also enabled, my modules could also be ported over

another question i had

is why do filenames have random numeration

that makes them infinitely harder to use

like, File:882Falafel.png instead of just the expected File:Falafel.png

there seems to be no real rhyme or reason to the numeration

so i assume its some interal naming stuff

but that should be stomped out when ported to wiki

the way images are currently makes them basically impossible to automate

and tangentially from this

this is unnecessarily complicated

and gives no real benefit to the image post-upload

licensing also has no real reason to not just be fairuse

[vapid aurora]

ok some are just outright unusable
https://coralisland.wiki/wiki/File:720Any-food-icons-INDIVIDUAL_0000_any-milk.png

this naming is 100% internal lmao

[sterile hatch]

Changes, bug fixes, and experiments: https://community.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:Antonio_R._Castro/Technical_Updates:_December_1,_2023

[vapid aurora]

ok so small update

https://coralisland.fandom.com/wiki/Template:Crops_by_category_table
and
https://coralisland.fandom.com/wiki/Template:Crops_by_category_table/Profit
now originate from the same module, so ideally we should phase out calls of the /Profit for simply just the base template

you can obtain the result of /Profit by adding |profit=1 to the base template now

and this happened bc someone brought to my attention that the calcs for max yield and profits

might not be correct

for now i've just updated stuff to module bc calcs were getting way too complex for just wikitext

its almost 4am so i wont try to fix the calcs rn

but if naut or someone can try to find a way to properly calc the max yield and profit numbers it'd be appreciated

module in question is https://coralisland.fandom.com/wiki/Module:Crops_by_category_table

[vapid aurora]

What they commented on

[livid raft]

hi everyone, would like to report the crop page on fall section, currently seeing this, thank you

[vapid aurora]

Fixed

[viscid swift]

Hello hello Mike! For DPL, it is already available in the wiki, so you should be able to use it

[vapid aurora]

cool, that'll make automating pages much easier, but could i get an answer to the rest of my inquiries

there's not much automation i can do if the basis are not usable

[kindred beacon]

we never heard back from them rip

fandom at least replies and helps us make a better wiki

anyway

was able to clean up inventory items so we can match item -> price easily https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1iEefFP2zS1iAdppfsChgqdkM_8YB-gk4USLox_fO_7I/edit?usp=sharing

some of them don't have a name, the source string uses their item description instead but should be easy to cross reference if you have the file/search in wiki

oh rip i did buy instead of sell brb

added consumables

[kindred beacon]

I... i'm not sure if it's easier to just write the whole buff or shorthandish it pls lmk if there's a better/preferred way to do this

[vapid aurora]

<@&909661844698972160>

[viscid otter]

Guys, we don’t use infobox equipment anymore right?

[kindred beacon]

yes iirc

i was transitioning it to infobox item

it had no unique info that required its own infobox i think

[viscid otter]

Okay thanks, i just need to make sure, because someone change infobox item to infobox equipment on scarecrow page

[teal lion]

Moved Fizz from the Cat category to the Dog one on both the Pet Shelter page and the Pet navigation pane on Fandom.

[grim wagon]

👋 Newish editor (16 edits), I just added a table for the house styles to the Farmhouse page. My farmhouse is only at stage 1, and I'll add the later stages as I reach them, but if anyone feels like adding later stage styles before I get there, I resized my images to 1200px wide for consistency

[ancient mango]

Hello!

I did some cleaning on the new wiki of the fruit trees page. https://coralisland.wiki/wiki/Fruit_Trees

All minor edits of grammar, spelling, tense, capitalization, etc. Larger edits were condensing, rewriting for better flow or removing a duplicated sentence.

Let me know if anyone disagrees with the edits!

[nova flume]

Thank you. It looks fine to me. :>

Also, finally got an answer from Novita:

So I guess free reign to do what we need to.

[ancient mango]

Excellent to hear. Any community guidelines to try to adhere to? Doesn't seem that there are any channel-specific rules documented here.

[nova flume]

Ehh... Unfortunately, this is mostly for the fandom wiki. Devs haven't told any of us much about what they want for the official one.

[ancient mango]

Cool, well I'll just go until I don't feel like it anymore. Appreciate it!

[nova flume]

No problem! Have fun!
I think a lot of the syntax is the same, so if you have any questions there, feel free to ask!

[grim wagon]

I've made some edits to the fandom one, I'll do them on the official wiki too I guess :>

Oof the pets page is looking like a stub

[nova flume]

Thank you, as well! I've been busy with other things and not able to help much lately. :'>

[grim wagon]

Over the years I've done little touch-up edits to various wikis (fandom and official) and with Coral the wiki has so much to cover so it's fun to contribute meaningfully c:
I've mostly been uploading missing images for e.g farmhouse styles and have a few ready to go for other farm buildings so will probably go do those later today

[viscid swift]

Thank you so much for the help everyone! Feel free to contribute as much as you want!

[ancient mango]

It looks like one project may be to add specific times back in on some pages

They appear to have been removed or just not carried over (i.e Night (18:00) -> Night)

How do people feel about specificity as well? Is "bringing items and money to the Lab for upgrading" better or worse than "bring $2,000 and 5 bronze kelp essence"?

[grim wagon]

I use wikis a lot (which is why I was interested in doing a bit of editing), and as a user I always prefer specificity to avoid any confusion or mistaken assumptions for certain mechanics (like spawn times or required items like those). Especially "bring the money and items" is a lot worse than "bring x and y" UNLESS there's a table on the same page with a list of items required for various services at the location, such as the lab's range of items -- if there's already a chart of all unlocks/upgrades, that's already specific enough IMO
Like Rimworld's wiki is extremely specific, due to the nature of the game lol

e.g. if a fish only spawns during afternoon and evening, and it's only specified as "Afternoon - Evening", that leaves a few questions about what exact time period that encompasses

[nova flume]

Up until the Sturdy Computer was added, I don't think we had any way to definitively confirm what the hours for the times of day were, at least for the Fandom wiki. And now...

I think there's a little hitch with Evening/Night specifically since they can change based on season? I feel like I read that they start an hour earlier in Winter and later in Summer. But somebody may wanna doublecheck on that; I was never able to find it in the files.

[ancient mango]

That would be good to know

Hard to tell what is a discrepancy and what is confirmation bias for me, I'm only just now above 100 hours

I'll add specificity as I think it's needed.

[normal kestrel]

Go to this new wiki, to check info about pets, and then see this: we can adopt monkey?

[buoyant ferry]

I wish there was an easy way to move stuff from the community wiki to the new wiki

[obtuse jackal]

Hello! Was looking at the Monkey shop on the Wiki and realized that the Plop Backpack (which is totally my favorite) isn't listed there. I'd help edit the wiki page but I have zero clue how to do that!

[wet monolith]

The carpenter page shows shed needing silver bars, but it needs gold bars.

[shell night]

fixed

[placid basin]

So the syntax is nearly identical as both the fandom wiki and the official wiki use the MediaWiki structure. So you can just go into the fandom wiki, click edit, switch from "visual editor" to "source editing" and then copy and paste the entire page