codm-gunsmith-help

[distant blaze]

Isn't its irs weird?

[neat basin]

no

[distant blaze]

lol potassium??😂

[neat basin]

very clean actually

[frosty lance]

its sus

[distant blaze]

Default better

[neat basin]

[distant blaze]

Haven't got the blueprint yet tho
Just saw it in vids

[frosty lance]

next seasob m13 peach blaster

[vocal zephyr]

This okay

[distant blaze]

😆

[frosty lance]

😂😂👌

[distant blaze]

Mip 200 to quick response barrel

[opal ore]

Barrel to quick response barrel

[rich arch]

mac10 ?

[opal ore]

@rich arch

[rich arch]

aight thanks

[frosty lance]

yo guts try this if u have the dlq red action, equip 4x scope

theres a bug

[opal ore]

Someone thanking me for sending another person's content

[remote ridge]

[rich arch]

[crimson bridge]

Guts bruh nice eng

[crimson bridge]

Lmao

[obtuse barn]

where explosive rounds?

[viscid belfry]

good ads time and accuracy

[crimson bridge]

Red dot on a p2w skin

Ru on garena lol

[viscid belfry]

global

[crimson bridge]

Lmao

[viscid belfry]

ok so what i put instead of red dot?

[nova lagoon]

imagine saying p2w iron sights

[crimson bridge]

A mag

[obtuse barn]

hows that a p2w skin

[crimson bridge]

Lmao

[nova lagoon]

mag\supressr\sleight of hand

[obtuse barn]

disable

[viscid belfry]

ok

[crimson bridge]

It already has a good Ironside tbh

[unique schooner]

p2l, bulky taking up screen space and irons like the same

[obtuse barn]

ong

[crimson bridge]

Idk I use my this build

[remote ridge]

if I turn off the screen then I don't see it taking up space

[obtuse barn]

he could of talked about the hbr black n gold but nah he went for the worst thinghe coulda picked

or that

[unique schooner]

I suggest marksmen to Ranger for a bit more mobility

[obtuse barn]

black n gold basically feels like dr-h

[crimson bridge]

Fr

[unique schooner]

Strike why? Just go with gran or disable

[obtuse barn]

he wants to crossmap with it

[unique schooner]

Ranger foregrip

[obtuse barn]

fully auto sniper wit da extendo 🥱

[crimson bridge]

I don't use disable idk why

And gran meh

[unique schooner]

SoH exists too

[crimson bridge]

I'm good with this build xD

Wanna 1v1 hbr only lmaoo

[unique schooner]

yikes

[crimson bridge]

[keen gazelle]

strike..

[crimson bridge]

It's amazing

[strange rivet]

No just no

[crimson bridge]

No more complains

Yes it's better than toxic ass disable

[strange rivet]

[crimson bridge]

[strange rivet]

[crimson bridge]

[strange rivet]

You call a 15% reduction in ads movement speed good?

Especially in our current mobility-based meta

[crimson bridge]

That's the reason I put no stock there

[strange rivet]

Even with attachments that make up for the loss strike grip is super trash

Where do you even get your gunsmiths from

[obtuse barn]

me 🥱

[sonic geyser]

What are the meta this season?

[strange rivet]

Mac's crazy ass strafing speed
Icr
Kilo
M13
And more

[harsh coral]

what the fuck am i supposed to do in this situation

[vital fossil]

Spam persistence

[harsh coral]

how will that help

[half vine]

so that was u

in ffa now 10 minutes ago

[steel minnow]

Kilo Gunsmith for ranked no?

And icr

[strange rivet]

Credit to zunain plays

[rich arch]

Dont loose ig

ICR good now?

is this good

[strange rivet]

Yeah it got a pretty good buff

[rich arch]

if i won 9/10 for the tournament

[crimson bridge]

Lmaoooo

[rich arch]

Alright ty

[vocal zephyr]

Can I have a swordfish build w halberd

[harsh coral]

i knew it

[fathom bear]

Anybody got a build for the pp19 Bizon

[fathom bear]

Ty

[keen gazelle]

Large Caliber Ammo isn't needed as much anymore but it still helps when shooting the legs

[fathom bear]

Ok

[rich arch]

Never seen the rose skin before

[normal oriole]

Anyone has a build for Amax?

[small topaz]

Can i get ppsh and fennec good layout for S&D ?

[royal dagger]

With fmj mag or without?

[rich grove]

how do u lose that much in elite ?

[royal dagger]

Skill issue or op teammates

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[neat basin]

elite is just bots right?

[royal dagger]

I'm in pro so idk

[rich arch]

No

I was at elite and there were some sweaty players in my lobby

[neat basin]

ah

[ocean vine]

Gunsmith

[royal dagger]

How's this:
Mono -> disable for slightly more aggressive play

[strange rivet]

Not bad I guess

[royal dagger]

Ok

[vocal zephyr]

Why did you start in elite?

[strange rivet]

Reset

From master

[royal dagger]

Yea

[strange rivet]

Like me

[vocal zephyr]

Oh ok

It reset me to master 1

[opal ore]

Unpopular opinion: if you don't have a prob with 35 mag in ppsh don't use no stock

It cancels everything that "banner" heavy gives except range

[vernal nimbus]

Max movement speed > anything else

[opal ore]

Well sometimes you need to stand back with an smg

That's why the optimal fennec build isn't mobility only

[vocal zephyr]

Hey swift what gun are you top on

[opal ore]

Chicom

[vocal zephyr]

Nice

[opal ore]

I haven't touched ranked in more than a month

But I'm still top 100

[rich arch]

Yo guys i need a cbr4 build

[vernal nimbus]

As someone with 1d on the ppsh and global weapon mastery I’m certain that i’ve perfected the gun and can say that no matter if you’re using max movement speed or whatever the gun can perform well in all situations

[opal ore]

Wait, new ranked season changed it

[vernal nimbus]

its just the player

[rich arch]

Anybody got one?

[opal ore]

Mono
Ext barrel
Ykm light stock
Tac laser
Rubberized

[vernal nimbus]

Know how to play to your strengths and use what you are given

[rich arch]

Rubberized fore or rear grip?

It was bots when I first started playing codm

[vocal zephyr]

Same

[rich arch]

But now all real people

[opal ore]

Well why would you add extra pressure to yourself when you can do the same thing easier

[rich arch]

.

[strange rivet]

Neither
Granulated rear grip tape better

[opal ore]

The one on the bottom right

I think it's rear

[rich arch]

Guys i have a question

[strange rivet]

But if u need rubberized use rear grip

[strange rivet]

Wtf is this

[rich arch]

Aight thx y'all

[opal ore]

Why gran

Base bsa of 6.5 plus it's a smg

[rich arch]

Is this thing Hood?

Good*

[strange rivet]

Bruh wtf is this

[opal ore]

I use pdw without gran and it's great

[opal ore]

Sorry to break it to you

||It's terrible||

[strange rivet]

You want good here is good

[rich arch]

Good?

[strange rivet]

Sure I guess

I don't see the use of rubber when you can just pull down

[opal ore]

Can you tell me the stats of bsa one sec

[vernal nimbus]

It isnt extra pressure because I know how to use the gun and finesse

[rich arch]

Ok lemme try Ur customization

[rich arch]

Wdym?

[vernal nimbus]

As I said play to your strengths and use what you are given

[opal ore]

Well you can use soh/rds but I wouldn't see why not to have free recoil

[opal ore]

Tap on the sign where it shows the stats

Like -13% vertical recoil and stuff like that

[harsh coral]

because i was pro 3/4 when rank reset happened

[harsh coral]

no it's all rank reset pro/masters on the first day

[rich arch]

Ohhh

[opal ore]

+9% bsa

That is still perfect for an smg @strange rivet

[opal ore]

Thanks

[rich arch]

Thanks to u

For this build

[minor pendant]

i need a m16 build with the biggest range and almost one tap capability

also how can i see other peoples build from previous match?

[opal ore]

Tap on the 💡 on the top right

[minor pendant]

even from history?

[opal ore]

If you want to use it as a sniper I would recommend swordfish with halberd mag

[opal ore]

Sadly no

[minor pendant]

shit, the dude was using a extra long good ads m16 with almost one tap ability

[opal ore]

Use swordfish halberd

[minor pendant]

dont like swordfish that much

rather m16

[opal ore]

It's better than m16 in every aspect

Especially long range

What's ur prob with it

?

[minor pendant]

i just dont like it

even the halberd mag doesnt one tap and i cant always aim great

[rich arch]

The recoil seems controlable

[opal ore]

Halberd one taps

[minor pendant]

when?

[opal ore]

Since swordfish came to the game

It one shots

[minor pendant]

it never one shotted

always left 1 pixel of health

and when i shot the second time i was dead

[opal ore]

U sure u using halberd mag

[minor pendant]

also the m16 evil clown is a better pair to gunzo

[minor pendant]

yes pretty sure i used the 5 shot decreased damage mag

[opal ore]

I'm sure m16 doesn't one tap in range

Unless it got a buff since the last time I used it

[vocal zephyr]

Medium and cqc it can but I’ve never one tapped a full health enemy with m16 ever

[minor pendant]

i said almost one tap

[keen gazelle]

most likely due to the fact that you're 5m away from the dummy

[minor pendant]

like this

[vocal zephyr]

Hold on imma slap a build together and test

[minor pendant]

he used the longest barrel

[vocal zephyr]

Was there a sight?

[minor pendant]

i remeber that

yes

the holo sight ehm

gimme a min

[opal ore]

M16 can not one tap

End of discussion

[minor pendant]

holo sight 3

[minor pendant]

lemme know

[vocal zephyr]

@minor pendant nope

That’s irons with a speed build and big barrel

[minor pendant]

thats why i said almost

[minor pendant]

could i still get the build?

[vocal zephyr]

Yeah yeah

[minor pendant]

want to use m16 because of the evil clown

[vocal zephyr]

It’s actually pretty decent tbh

Two tap at farthest bot range

Big one tap potential cqc

[minor pendant]

Thx for the effort

Haven used the m16 so it was due tp use it again

[opal ore]

My brother

Are u using stippled

Use rubberized

[clear forum]

speed

[neat basin]

nyoom

[clear forum]

Very much so 😂 😂 😂

@neat basin I haven't tried it with shulker yet but rn it feels like it's faster that walkong speeds

So having shulker it'll be even more

[neat basin]

go into br and find legendary lateral recoil mods

another +40 strafe

so like 85% strafe

[vocal zephyr]

Yeah I would I just slapped some stuff together speed wise lol

[neat basin]

gah damn

[opal ore]

Wasn't it skulker

The name

[unique schooner]

Minecraft mob

[strange rivet]

Why FAF

Use striker instead @full eagle

And cavalry instead of rifling

[clear forum]

Yes, my auto correct

My bad

[opal ore]

[full eagle]

Why

[clear forum]

5% movement speed

[full eagle]

I dont really care movement speed

[clear forum]

Fair enough

[full eagle]

And im 2 thumb player so moving, shooting and keeping sight straight same time is sometimes challenging

[modern mango]

it’s not that challenging

I’m a thumb player and I find it very easy

[sweet spoke]

It's kinda easy tbh

[sweet spoke]

Maybe it's your sensitivity

[vocal zephyr]

Noah from Trovo got diamond mac
I don’t even have it unlocked lol

[neat basin]

gonna get it soon

[toxic tusk]

I mean it's pretty much their job to play the game so they'll obviously grind it

[ocean vine]

cavalry barrel without agency suppressor is a rly bad idea

pull down more than my phone screen

hell i aint gonna change sens just to play 1 gun

[viscid belfry]

is this gun good?

[ocean vine]

rly need to test how bad the flinch on mac 10 is

[keen gazelle]

very

[rich arch]

How do i use this?

[unique schooner]

click on the link to verify and send the screenshot of the first picture you sent

[rich arch]

Okay

[vernal nimbus]

This class goes hard especially for quickcoping on alcatraz

[opal ore]

Ok why would you quickscope in br

[vernal nimbus]

Because im just good and its fun to do

why quickscope in multiplayer when you can just hardscope?

and watch my most recent video and you’ll see theres nothing wrong with quickscoping in br

[vocal zephyr]

Where would I find your most recent video

[vocal zephyr]

Why would you not quickscope in br

[opal ore]

Uhh

If u miss a shot you are most likely dead

[analog patrol]

amax build pls

[vocal zephyr]

Also how’s this I don’t have high cal

[analog patrol]

best build

[vocal zephyr]

No such thing as best build but hold on

[analog patrol]

k

good one for snd

[vernal nimbus]

check my profile

[royal dagger]

I use this

[vernal nimbus]

thats where movement comes in

[opal ore]

But why would u risk it

[vocal zephyr]

Compliments of @tiny quest

Swap gran for disable

[vernal nimbus]

why risk it in mp?

[vocal zephyr]

I don’t miss🤷

[opal ore]

Cuz if you hit the shot it's a confirmed kill

Not in br

[vernal nimbus]

fax

[opal ore]

Aimbot

[vernal nimbus]

“Fast switch”

just watch my recent video

sniper > any gun

[vernal nimbus]

only in br tho

[vocal zephyr]

Imma check it out now

[vernal nimbus]

fuck snipers in mp

[wooden bough]

spr and swordfish build please

[vocal zephyr]

I main rytec in br and na45 in mp

[vernal nimbus]

dlq, mac10 or dlq and ppsh

[strange rivet]

Change bolt to scope

[wooden bough]

thanks mates

[vocal zephyr]

I think I’m gonna main pistol in ranked this season

[azure sequoia]

Is Kilo141 not good anymore?

[royal dagger]

It should be

[rich arch]

Best loadout ever! Jk

Unless your great at hitting heqds

[azure sequoia]

For some reaosn i cant shoot 😬 I might need to change my senstivity

[unique schooner]

yeah thats a you issue

[royal dagger]

Yes

[azure sequoia]

Thanks Honey 😒

Helpful as always

[unique schooner]

yess

[royal dagger]

Lmfao

If anyone gets the kilo battlepass blueprint, lmk how it looks with mono suppressor

[carmine hatch]

someone make me a kilo build

[toxic tusk]

Mono , no stock , extended mag b , owc laser, disable

[azure sequoia]

Can i get a pharo build

[vernal nimbus]

owc tactical, monolithic, short barrel, mag or strafe stock and then rubberized

[carmine hatch]

@toxic tusk thx

[toxic tusk]

[old hedge]

What’s a good ICR gunsmith

[royal dagger]

Mono suppressor
Gran tape
40 round fast
Tac laser
No stock

Mono -> ranger + gran -> disable is an optional change

[old hedge]

Ty

[ocean bridge]

M13 build please

[pastel finch]

Yeah I need one too for mp

[royal dagger]

Mini barrel
No stock
40 round double stack
Tac laser
Disable

@pastel finch

[pastel finch]

Thanks

[ocean bridge]

Um

[pastel finch]

Good accuracy?

[royal dagger]

I go aggressive with this build

[ocean bridge]

Oh ok its great

[royal dagger]

Works close to mid

And sometimes long iirc

[ocean bridge]

My range is too high with my old attch

[pastel finch]

[vocal zephyr]

Compliments of best Pharo user @unique schooner

[royal dagger]

Try it out, I can't atm

[pastel finch]

Alright

[azure sequoia]

I want it from Honey himself

[pastel finch]

Not a fan

[royal dagger]

Rip

Swap disable for gran

[vocal zephyr]

[royal dagger]

Ig that counts lol

[obtuse barn]

he approved the fat skin as well?

[azure sequoia]

Is disable worth it for SMG?

[azure sequoia]

I approve then

[royal dagger]

No
Doesn't work the same way

[azure sequoia]

alright yeah figured

[rich grove]

lol

[unique schooner]

damn

[azure sequoia]

@unique schooner Teach me the ways

[normal oriole]

Without

[royal dagger]

Funny patting emote

Is nice

[royal dagger]

Mono suppressor/disable
Gran tape
Extended mag
No stock
Tac laser

I go passive-aggressive with amax

[sinful moss]

recommendations for krm name?

kreamy is kinda meh

[vocal zephyr]

Just “TheCricket”

[sinful moss]

[vocal zephyr]

😆

[dapper valley]

can someone give me a mac-10 build for mp and br

[dapper valley]

tysm

[sweet current]

(~‾▿‾)~

[dapper valley]

(～￣▽￣)～(～￣▽￣)～

o(￣▽￣)o

[vocal zephyr]

Lol

[dapper valley]

╰(°▽°)╯

[mild helm]

Anyone got a cbr4 build for some (preferably more mobility?)

[azure sequoia]

Cant wait to get my hands on Mac10 and use it in Alcatraz.. gonna be fun

[dapper valley]

mono, extended barrel , light stock, tac laser, gran or stipple gripe tape

[royal dagger]

Yes

Good job green name

[glad mica]

can someone post a mac build in #codm-gunsmith-builds

thx

[neat basin]

damn

i forgot to add an ss

[ocean vine]

if u wanna convo then type here

[neat basin]

ok

why rifling barrel

[ocean vine]

also those alternative attachments r in cygnoux post

[ocean vine]

because its good enough

[dapper valley]

ty blue name

[ocean vine]

no point adding 10% range for 6m effective range gun

velocity is good enough for effective range

[neat basin]

80% bullet speed, and free 10 range

[ocean vine]

riffled added = 480 velocity
as val = 450 velocity and has more effective range

[neat basin]

just for some recoil and the recoil is simple

[ocean vine]

its not free it cost recoil

[neat basin]

recoil’s very easy to control

just pull down

[ocean vine]

u then will lose ttk while being in position

pull down more than my screen u meant

u dont rush everytime

u hold spot and play smart

and soemtimes u gotta kill midrange while being in good position

[neat basin]

with this gun, you rush

[ocean vine]

i already had experience from grinding gold

[neat basin]

other guns will destroy you

[glad mica]

what abt accuracy

[neat basin]

this is a rushing smg

[glad mica]

thats gonna be shooting everything but the targer

[ocean vine]

u rush then what

u hold

from good position

[glad mica]

ok

[ocean vine]

more recoil less ttk probability

esp in high pkm like vert recoil

u usually fire 30 bullets while holding good spot

to kill 1 guy

[glad mica]

hmmm

true

[ocean vine]

if u rush then u rush again u die and lose the streak

sometimes u wanna hold and benefit ur teammates

[glad mica]

ill figure it out when i get the gun

[ocean vine]

if u wanna compare high ttk guns that can only rush why not just use shotgun it has 0ms ttk

its good for rushing, then what rush again?

such a waste

[ocean vine]

and for bullet speed u dont need 80%

even 40% is enough for 14m

[neat basin]

more

just for some recoil, which is easy to control

[ocean vine]

this is the problem when yall dont know what guns feat

its not about easy or hard

its about consistency

ppsh isnt used cuz recoil reduces ttk consistency

even tho it has same ttk as cbr

[neat basin]

then make it more consistent by adding more bullet speed

[ocean vine]

effective range 7-14m

and u want 540 velocity

[narrow glen]

goldman#4077 has been warned

Reason: Posted a link

[ocean vine]

as val can do good 30m holding spot with just 450 velocity

use brain

[neat basin]

my build is still good even if you’re holding down a position

[ocean vine]

ur build is good

but so is mine

[rich grove]

that looks mid

[ocean vine]

confirmed by cygnoux himself

id just say so these guys dont like cygnoux

[humble sand]

This is codm gunsmithing channel@rich grove

Codm

[rich grove]

cyg kinda autistic

[neat basin]

middle in the street

[sick minnow]

QXR gunsmith anyone?

[rich grove]

kiss me there sugar

[ocean vine]

he is but hes considered accountable

yet his build got downvoted

[rich grove]

💀

[strange rivet]

@sick minnow

[sick minnow]

Oo no barrel?

I’ll try it out

[rich grove]

yea but we both know why

[sick minnow]

Thanks

[rich grove]

80% of goonsmith is braindead

so

[ocean vine]

they wont upvote

until theres 1 only gunsmith accepted

[rich grove]

@neat basin 110

[neat basin]

why rifling barrel-

[ocean vine]

i already told u the reason

with numbers

[neat basin]

when there’s cavalry?

[ocean vine]

because riffling is enough

and i dont wanna reduce ttk from missing shots

[neat basin]

more bv

[ocean vine]

i already told u as well about why pros dont use ppsh

its not consistent due to not easy recoil

ttk on paper isnt everything

if riffling only increase to 400 velocity then fine downviote

but its 480 velocity

[neat basin]

add more bullet velocity for nothing tho

if you have a hard time with the recoil, just pull down

[ocean vine]

u shudve argued with me about 10% increased range

yeah

tell that to pros who abandon ppsh

and to meta guns why they r meta cuz they r easy to use

[rich arch]

this good

i did it when it started

[lament star]

dam, i have 3 losses D:

[crude peak]

Poop

[rich arch]

damn

[crude peak]

I post MAC 10 in #codm-gunsmith-builds

[rich arch]

i went against top level players on the last one

[crude peak]

Credits to someone

[ocean vine]

no problem with that build

[lament star]

ns

[ocean vine]

cuz the someone can handle muzzle flash

and not liking having fennec with 50 bullet

[rich arch]

that mac build has the most mobility

[ocean vine]

theres always cost of something

at least the attachment isnt useless

like putting disable on smg or gran on kilo

then u can downvote

[crude peak]

I forgot the costs, but it works fine.

[ocean vine]

i already tried all the attachments

thats what i ended up with

[rich arch]

Is this build good for holding hardpoints?

[neat basin]

kinda mid bsa

[neat epoch]

yea
that's him
ZunainPlayz but he renamed to ChadPlayz
then back to ZunainPlayz
man can't make up his mind

[neat basin]

compact to tac supp and light to disable

[mild helm]

The ammunition is a no

And if u holding not camping across the map try for some faster build

[rich arch]

Ok thanks

[rich arch]

Ok

[neat epoch]

bru
tested by Pyrx:
0-5m: 0f
6-10m: 2f
11-15m: 3f
16-20m: 4f
21-25m: 5f
26-31m: 6f
32-35m: 7f
36-41m: 8f
42-46m: 9f
47-50m: 10f

80% boost

0-10m: 0f
11-18m: 2f
19-28m: 3f
29-37m: 4f
38-47m: 5f
48-50m: 6f

it skips 1f BV range

[rich arch]

Maybe change granulated to stippled?

[neat epoch]

and for a cqc smg 80% BV is good
recoil isn't a major issue when kick per bullet isn't major

[mild helm]

Do what you need

Go test it in firing range

I don't know too much tbh just make sure you got what works

[neat epoch]

RPD shouldn't be aggro
it should be main LMG due to PV

200 belt
gran tape
owc laser
disable or fmj
and tac supp

[mild helm]

It actually surprisingly works aggressively

If you know how to play

[rich arch]

Yes but I'm more of an obj player

[mild helm]

I got it to diamond playing obj only

[mild helm]

Right

[rich arch]

So that's why I went for 200 round

[ocean vine]

ur comparing base to 80%

[mild helm]

But that's slowing down you and the mobility right?

[neat epoch]

not really
ur risking a ton
659rpm
meaning 91ms PV
best to keep it at main LMG since ur going against strafers

[neat epoch]

bc cavalry barrel

adds 80%
and cavalry is ideal

[ocean vine]

no

[neat epoch]

yes

[ocean vine]

thats comparison of 300 BV to 540 BV

[rich arch]

It has decent mobility and ads time

[analog grail]

Bro my kilo 141 build just isn’t the same since the update

[mild helm]

I wouldn't worry about strafers and shi if you doing it in pubs

[rich arch]

The recoil is controllable too

[ocean vine]

numbers aint valid to compare riffling to cavalry

[neat epoch]

ur dealing with 2f immediately after hitscan ranges
with only 5m hitscan on base
with 80% that's extended to a more sensible range of 10m

[ocean vine]

we already have as val as sample effective gun with 450BV

again

[neat epoch]

BV increases don't really exist for it and it's damage ranges and damages for those ranges drop after 20m which is why it's restricted to cqc

[ocean vine]

compare riffling to cavalry

[mild helm]

Bros a codm artisan

[ocean vine]

not base to cavalry

i said riffling is good enough

not base is good enough

those numbers r base to cavalry

not riffling to cavalry

as long its 15m 2f with riffling then cavalry is not needed, is that simple

[neat epoch]

Mac10 on the other hand is aggro, where hitscan can make the difference especially in ttk
with base right after 6-10m, you'll be facing around 33ms differences in ttk
while with 80%, you'll be facing 33ms differences at 11-18m

again
more sensible range

[ocean vine]

yeah but u used wrong numbers to point ur argument

give riffling to cavalry comparison, not base to cavalry

[ocean vine]

and this

[neat epoch]

60% boost

0-9m: 0f
10-16m: 2f
17-24m: 3f
25-33m: 4f
34-41m: 5f
42-49m: 6f
50m: 7f

40% boost

0-8m: 0f
9-14m: 2f
15-21m: 3f
22-29m: 4f
30-36m: 5f
37-43m: 6f
44-50m: 7f

[ocean vine]

16m 2f

then its good enough

what else?

[neat epoch]

80% buff works too

[ocean vine]

you meant 60% buff works too

[neat epoch]

ur saying it's completely useless
although now I realize 60% works

[ocean vine]

effective range is 14m

[neat epoch]

but 80% can still be functional

with a mobility build while having stable BV

[ocean vine]

16m 2f is same as other guns

it is functional

without unnecessary recoil debuff

[neat epoch]

a build like this works
credits to ofc, Zibros

[ocean vine]

i didnt say it doesnt work

i said riffling is good enough

[neat epoch]

not exactly
being the best smg as it is
it's performance can be key
with the BV boost, we're expecting better ttk's at higher ranges with only recoil as an issue, which won't be major in cqc

[ocean vine]

and u already shown 16m 2f then my foreseeing is correct

do u think added recoil is best performance?\

do u know what meta guns r

the state of mac 10 is weak without bv+ attachment

[neat epoch]

80% boost also has 16m 2f

[ocean vine]

i repeat again

60% also does the same

20% is unnecessary with added recoil debuff

[neat epoch]

no
I'm saying it's an insignificant downside

[ocean vine]

its not insignificant

pros wont agree

[neat epoch]

added recoil is literally no issue in cqc

[ocean vine]

ofc if gunfights r all cqc u can take

but theres holding angles when necessary

i already explained far above

[neat epoch]

idc about pro players
I'm going strictly off the stats and practice performance

[ocean vine]

added recoil reduces ttk consistency

id rather trust the pros than some number fanatic guy

if number all u get, then why ppsh aint meta

[neat epoch]

which isn't a major issue in cqc with it's mini jumps in recoil

[neat epoch]

Mac10 replaced it

[ocean vine]

its been 2 seasons ppsh aint making it to meta

[neat epoch]

PPSH can still be functional
but Mac10 has became the better alternative

[ocean vine]

if u dont even know the reason, no need to jump to mac10 argument

[neat epoch]

yes it has
just bc pros have a skill issue with horizontal recoil (although strafe can literally make horizontal easier to control) doesn't mean it wasn't meta
it was top 5 meta gun since release
p90 was just better bc it's versatile

[ocean vine]

also problems with ppl here underestimating ttk consistency from recoil

ofc its problematic to trade bsa for better recoil

but in mac10 case its not

only 10% more range

20% bv difference aint making it

[neat epoch]

Mac10 doesn't face inconsistency issues with recoil
in fact recoil would make it simpler
stomach is 0.9x while arms and chest are 1x

[ocean vine]

what do u know about inconsistency

did u even unlock the gun

[neat epoch]

I'm a GE and I've seen TC's and GE's at work and I have access to the data they provide and test

literally

[ocean vine]

yeah the data again

[neat epoch]

yes

[ocean vine]

numbers that aint working in practical use

[neat epoch]

performance on paper + performance in practice = better overall understanding of the gun, and understanding the functionality and uses

[ocean vine]

see u already know that

but why insist on paper

[neat epoch]

bc without that we'd be misusing weapons

[ocean vine]

i feel like u just take ur own conclusion from numbers provided

80% > 60% hence better

[neat epoch]

uhh no
I've used the gun
tho I haven't unlocked it
thankfully a friend was able to offer up the weapon in games and I tested the performance in practice and understanding it's pros via what's on paper

[ocean vine]

like no thats just number ofc 80 is greater than 60

in reality its bv 16m 2f

u already provided the number

[neat epoch]

yes and it's better BV for better ttk
especially with minimal range and range drops
lower the ttk the better the performance

in a gunfight*

[ocean vine]

the practicality says 16m 2f is good enough bv

its making the gun has same bv to other guns

on that range

and effective range is 14m

so why add more?

at a cost of big recoil increase in already big recoil gun

what im saying is its not worth it

[neat epoch]

6m 200ms base
14m 280ms
19m 300ms

with 60%

6m 200ms
14m 313ms
19m 350ms

with 80%

6m 200ms
14m 313ms
19m 333ms

[ocean vine]

no ttk reduce in effective range, regardless using riffling or cavalry barrel

[tiny quest]

[neat epoch]

ur saying that as if it's difficult to control
which it isn't
it's actually incredibely ez and fairly simple to control

[ocean vine]

it is difficult to use at certain practical use

like holding angles after u rush

if u just gonna rush after the first rush then just use shotguns its 0ms ttk

[neat epoch]

it goes straight up
ever heard the phrase "pull down"
that's even simpler in cqc since the target is, for obvious reasons, larger

[neat epoch]

actually inconsistencies and accuracy issues so yea there u have it
melee would be better

[ocean vine]

i play enough ranked to play smart and not blindly rushing cuz my gun strong point is rush

[neat epoch]

if the guns strong points is rushing then u can't expect to use it at range
not every gun is flexible enough to be forced beyond what it's good for

[ocean vine]

u have to use it at range

occasionally

[spark sparrow]

Anyone got an HBRa3 build?

[ocean vine]

when that happens u want it to be consistent

[neat epoch]

ranger barrel
no stock
disable
fast ext mag
owc laser

[spark sparrow]

Thanks

[ocean vine]

pulling down is ez but guns build that require u to pull down that extreme aint making it to meta

or even comps

[neat epoch]

bsa, BV (on some guns), aimshake, ranges, ttks, etc.
all effects against forceful use in an improper playstyle

[tiny quest]

Mono to disable

[ocean vine]

good guy ahri providing imagos

[vocal zephyr]

Is this okay for br

[tiny quest]

Br ?

[neat epoch]

that's like saying ppsh is the hardest gun to control in the game
or that AK47's recoil kick is going to harm the guns performance in a game
when both have their ways out of it
ppsh strafe = simpler control
ak47 overall recoil control + cqc = recoil kick will take effect in cqc less and won't harm gameplay

[ocean vine]

not ok, add flash guard and stripled

[neat epoch]

BR go full hip fire
smgs are best at that

[tiny quest]

Nah use hip fire attachment for br

[vocal zephyr]

I’ve been ads smgs most of the time lol

[ocean vine]

do u even watch comps

where they cant afford to strafe

[neat epoch]

Mac10 is in no way having difficult recoil
I've seen my grandma able to control recoil harder than that

[ocean vine]

but they gotta shoot and kill anyways

[tiny quest]

Smgs are ment to hip fire but ok

[ocean vine]

at outside effective range

[neat epoch]

u do realize these comp players actually have skill to compensate for misuse of weapons
while we're talking about general weapon use?

[vocal zephyr]

Idk I barely play br as it is I wanna do more

So mono to flash and what else

[ocean vine]

its set examples how guns to be used practically

[neat epoch]

ext to stippled

[vocal zephyr]

Ok

Ty

[ocean vine]

if u just rush with rush guns then ur playing dumb

[tiny quest]

What extent to stipple ?

[neat epoch]

comp?
setting examples for how guns are meant to be used?
gimme a break
they use 200mm barrels on their ASVALs, like hell they know how guns are meant to be used

[ocean vine]

faster shoot while sliding

[neat epoch]

stf and stads
it's fairly slow on fennec

[tiny quest]

Kk

[neat epoch]

that's like saying just bc Ferg can get a nuke with every gun means he knows how guns work

[ocean vine]

its not how its supposed to be used but it can be used for that

because the game forces u many times in that situation

[neat epoch]

no it can't
BV from 200mm barrel has 0 effect till 35m due to frame rounding
which is outside of supported bsa and supported damage range
therefore practically useless

[ocean vine]

do u know as val effective range i bet u gonna look up to numbers too

[vocal zephyr]

Why is this getting so technical
People use what they want to use how they want to use it bc it works for them
What else matters?

[neat epoch]

roughly 20m
same with hitscan BV
roughly 20m

and yes these are tested numbers in actual games bc practice range is innacurate for ranges and damages

[ocean vine]

imagine got trolled by pros

[vocal prairie]

Gonna be removing the suppressor when I can, any recommendations for a replacement perk?

[neat epoch]

that whole build needs a change
1: strike fg only controls like 2 bullets of recoil while killing strafe, use mip light barrel instead
2: owc light supp to mono
3: owc laser bsa boost not necessary, use 5mw laser for stf
4: rds can be stippled or rubber tape if u don't want it

[neat epoch]

?

[ocean vine]

so he was successful

[sweet current]

Strike really

We you can say

[ocean vine]

cuz some gunsmith boys already took it to heart like this

im telling u now

yes 200mm barrel is stupid

but the guy put it on purpose

[neat epoch]

idk which "guy" ur referring to

[ocean vine]

heaven

[neat epoch]

yes bc it's stupid
and 80% of the community thinks "if pros do good wit it then I can too"

[ocean vine]

see im from garena

already knew hed be trolling at champs

[neat epoch]

I'm talking about general comp
Garena and Global

[ocean vine]

yeah and u took it to heart

[neat epoch]

comp players generally use it

[ocean vine]

then he was successful

thats why he put that shitty attachment

if u havent realized yet

its old meme anyway here

[neat epoch]

yes bc the community is dumb enough to follow
and I wasn't referring to Heaven, in fact I don't watch him
I was referring to mainly players like Space and such

[sweet current]

Yep

[neat epoch]

why tf would I be referring to a single comp player
and why tf would u assume I'm reffering to that single comp player?

[ocean vine]

one rule fyi

they cant use bad build for their own suits, they got coach

if its bad then its trolling

u only saw their stream ofc they r stupid

[neat epoch]

their skill makes up for their use of bad builds
doesn't mean that the builds are good tho
and no, if it's bad it's not always gonna be for trolling tf

[vocal zephyr]

If it’s bad it’s your opinion

[unique schooner]

I think Mac 10 is fun

[vocal zephyr]

Yessss

[ocean vine]

honey look im a pepega

[unique schooner]

its all down to preference really tbh

[unique schooner]

Awesome

[neat epoch]

not actually
there's reasons for it being bad
like true reasons

[zealous hinge]

There is a difference of opinion in arguments and other things to gunsmiths

[tiny quest]

Fr

[ocean vine]

there r attachments that add no value

like gran to kilo
disable to smgs
etc

[zealous hinge]

Look at the gunsmith in #codm-gunsmith-builds

Ak47

[ocean vine]

if they give value with no downside compared to the guns base stats then whats the problem

[lament star]

codm be like:

[neat epoch]

ppl say "Kilo got good bsa"
but everyone forgot the oldern AR BSA king the KN

[zealous hinge]

Sure it’s a preference but that is not a reason to do those attachments and recommend it to everyone else

[ocean vine]

same as cavalry to riffling barrel

[neat epoch]

more like the T-pose one

[tiny quest]

I think for br

[ocean vine]

20% bv adds no real value, only downsides

[neat epoch]

[ocean vine]

[sweet current]

Wait kn was bsa king

[neat epoch]

ur stubborn so I'm not gonna bother anymore
good grief

[ocean vine]

i meant u stated ur numbers

[zealous hinge]

bruhhh

I guess

[neat epoch]

@ruby iris maybe u can explain that 80% barrel can still be used on Mac10

[zealous hinge]

But then again any build goes in br

[neat epoch]

for ARs yes
then Kilo came in

[ocean vine]

it can be used

for 10% added range

[bright flower]

Guy what is the best gunsmith for dlq

[neat epoch]

and BV

[ocean vine]

yeah and BV that gives no value

[sweet current]

No way there must be some other good bsa gun

[bright flower]

Ty

[neat epoch]

MIP light barrel
combat stock

the rest are free attachments, choose any of the below to style ur weapon
light supp/fmj/soh/mag A/optic/owc laser

[toxic tusk]

Wtf is the ak47 mp loadout in #codm-gunsmith-builds

[ocean vine]

why use riffling when cavalry exists
can ask the same
why use cavalry when riffling exists

[torn anchor]

is M4 get more good?

[zealous hinge]

Apparently br build

[neat epoch]

actually stubborn asf
hol' up let me get Zi in here to explain to u

[torn anchor]

and where can i get the new patch

[tiny quest]

Yes

[ocean vine]

you can get all ppl u can

but they aint got gold mac 10

[bright flower]

M4 is shooting Marshmello rn

[ocean vine]

then the opinion dont matter

[torn anchor]

ok

[neat epoch]

M4 headshot buff
ICR range buff
K9 nerf
fr556 slight recoil modification

[ocean vine]

then clearly only looking at numbers without using it

[neat epoch]

yea ur right
they got diamond mac10

[torn anchor]

katana gettin nerfed hard

[ocean vine]

yeah like weeks later

[neat epoch]

or right now

[ocean vine]

sus black photoshopped

[neat epoch]

as u can see
Zi has diamond
and he knows the uses of 80% barrel

[torn anchor]

how to get battle pass exp fast btw

[bright flower]

Play 24/7

[torn anchor]

the game mode or?

[neat epoch]

or u dunno about color codes
and what's interesting is that in the bottom of pins, Zunain's color code pin is still there, u can rename ur blueprint different colors
there
u learned something
now happy u got proved wrong?

[zealous hinge]

@tiny quest it wasn’t a br build, he said it was meant for mp

[ocean vine]

yeah

his opinion is relevant now

not urs tho

he likes the 10% range added i guess

[neat epoch]

no
he's a TC and gunsmith expert
better than me
and he can prove the build easily

[ocean vine]

gunsmith expert

[neat epoch]

GE
yes

Team Cygnus and GE

[dapper valley]

mip light, fmj, extended mag A, combat stock, tac laser

[ocean vine]

ok so ur team cygnus apparantly recommend riffling in his video as alternative to cavalry

gotta delete the video cuz misinformation

[bright flower]

Gunsmith for mx9

[neat epoch]

where u looking for this lmfao

[ocean vine]

its on yt poppin

[neat epoch]

also practice range stats for attachments were found to be inaccurate so the build wasn't exactly poppin

also
if u can't control a straight recoil pattern just say that

[ocean vine]

did u watch team cygnus vid for mac10

man said riffling good

cavalry also good

u can argue with him then

[neat epoch]

u mean cygnoux?

[ocean vine]

"only cavalry is good"

[ocean vine]

ah is that different guy?

[neat epoch]

I didn't say that
u said cavalry useless
I said both work

[neat epoch]

he's the leader for team cygnus bru

[ocean vine]

i didnt say useless for its whole attachment

it has 10% range

but the bv 20% more is useless cuz 60% is more than enough for its effective range

[neat epoch]

see this?

60% is useful

but 80% is also useful

both work

[ocean vine]

yeah but u put ur numbers here

but it counterreacts, cuz the number u provided actually supported my argument

[neat epoch]

uhh no
you can still have well enough hitscan BV to have even better ttk cqc
with literally no punishment

if u can't control recoil just say that

[ocean vine]

.

[neat epoch]

yes
which it was before this I mentioned "now I realize"
keyword: realize

[nimble grail]

yes, instead of extended mag A you can also put the owc light suppresor (upto u)

[ocean vine]

well just see if the attachment is popular or has fixed build like the mx9

[neat epoch]

60% is good
80% is good
both are good for a build
bring a better claim to prove it's bad next time
anyway I'm out

[ocean vine]

clearly not enough good players tested it

what claim tho

[velvet zinc]

What object in the game has the fastest movement speed?

[ocean vine]

buffed igniter in zombers mode

[dapper valley]

no

[ruby iris]

Fastest mac with br lateral perk

Strafes faster than melee sprint

[strange rivet]

your bare hands

[dapper valley]

no stock

[dapper valley]

lmfao

[glossy burrow]

Mac10 fastest gun now?

[dapper valley]

your mom when she's chasing you with the belt

[ruby iris]

Strafe, yes

[glossy burrow]

How about in terms of mobility

[dapper valley]

I think it's like 124 max mobility

idk

or 123

[strange rivet]

True

[dapper valley]

lol ikr

asian parents is 100000 times faster (speaking from true experience)

[ocean vine]

my moms slap is faster

when i watch too much anime

[dapper valley]

lmao

[dapper valley]

what kind?

[stuck depot]

Just get isekai simple fix

[ocean vine]

harem

[strange rivet]

what about when you don't pass the blood test with an A+

[stuck depot]

Death trap

[ocean vine]

she already belted me for that

[dapper valley]

[dapper valley]

I die

can't believe I'm still alive

[strange rivet]

ok so what is this server doing for april fools

[stuck depot]

Maybe they gonna say april fools theres no giveaway

[ocean vine]

probably fake mod face reveal

[dreamy shadow]

anyone got a good pp19 bison build?

[strange rivet]

also what is the codm game doing for april fools
last year was emotes only, price, idk what else they did last year

[ocean vine]

championship is the april fool

[stuck depot]

Be a terrible April fools

[dapper valley]

pretend to do a free legendary gun give away

[tiny quest]

We play fortnight

[dapper valley]

nice

[tiny quest]

Not copied

[dreamy shadow]

alright thanks!

[tiny quest]

Np dude

[ocean vine]

ur welcome

[dapper valley]

iferg loadout: mono, extended light, steady stock, gran grip tape, tac laser

[tiny quest]

Gran grip

[dapper valley]

idk the name

[tiny quest]

Thing has good bsa as a smg

[dapper valley]

I forgot the name plus I'm lazy

[strange rivet]

Steady stock

[dapper valley]

it for people that use two fingers

[tiny quest]

Well i am saying gran and steady is not needed

[dapper valley]

ik

I said it for casuals

[tiny quest]

Still it has low recoil

[dapper valley]

ik

[tiny quest]

[dapper valley]

I don't use pp19 so idk

[tiny quest]

[dapper valley]

lemme change it up a little

there

[ruby cosmos]

Best kilo class?

[ocean vine]

Yes what about it

[rich arch]

You guys are going to laugh at me for this request

I need a long range shotgun

[dapper valley]

mono, disable, no stock, mag (idc which one you use, just not the 100 round), tac laser,

[dapper valley]

jak-12

[tiny quest]

Use jsk 12

[rich arch]

That’s the problem

I need the class to get the gun

[dapper valley]

@rich arch you have a interesting pfp

[rich arch]

Ya

[dapper valley]

ehh

[dapper valley]

[rich arch]

What’s the best king range shotgun

Besides the Jak

[royal dagger]

Nice

[slim swift]

is this a good BK build

[dapper valley]

kream

[rich arch]

Krm?

[dapper valley]

ya

[tiny quest]

Gran to owc and ranger to mono

[rich arch]

Then I will take that bult

[dapper valley]

you want long range?

[rich arch]

Yes

[tiny quest]

Hd0405

[rich arch]

Interesting

[tiny quest]

It has the best one shot potential

I have tried it

[dapper valley]

extended barrel, maroto (i have no clue how to spell it) supressor, no stock, slug, and idkclue

[tiny quest]

Maroto

[dapper valley]

idk how to spell it

[tiny quest]

Marauder

Supressor

[slim swift]

isn’t it gonna have horrible bullet spread though

[dapper valley]

ok

[rich arch]

Why does bale not have a voice such an L

[dapper valley]

bk has no recoil

[slim swift]

even then change granulated tape to OWC what

[slim swift]

i’m talking abt bloom

[tiny quest]

Already have good bsa

[rich arch]

The hell is this

[tiny quest]

Wtf

🚮

[dapper valley]

the other one and increase range

[dapper valley]

lol

[slim swift]

ahri what do i change granulated grip tape to

[cedar horizon]

Marauder 💀

[tiny quest]

Gran to disable

[cedar horizon]

Noob you spelt it wrong too

XDDDDDDDD

[tiny quest]

F

You agin

[cedar horizon]

Yes

I will haunt you for eternity

[ocean vine]

charmander suppressor

[cedar horizon]

Im just waiting for you to mess up and insult your whole existance for it

[dapper valley]

[cedar horizon]

👍

[rich arch]

Just give me a long range for the lever shotgun pls

[cedar horizon]

Dont use Slugs

[tiny quest]

I don't even care now

[cedar horizon]

Choke, Ext Light, No Stock, Tac Laser/5mw, Granulated

Adsing gives most range on HS0

[slim swift]

i already have disable equipped

[tiny quest]

Oh sry i mean change to owc laser

[slim swift]

you mean tac laser?

ok

[tiny quest]

Yeah

[slim swift]

what abt the barrel

[rich arch]

Got