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Ok thanks
I mean, the UL and are also PP19 are good
Bozon
Go for it
People act so dumb whenever i am playing with bizon
I got Diamond on that shit bruh
Legendary rank
I just need to get mastery
I'll drop the thing unless I get a skin with a custom sight
I dont get time to master one single weapon
I have 2-3 mastered weapons but i dont play with one single gun i keep changing loadouts
DR-H, Kilo 141, AK-47, Krig 6, QQ9, CBR4, Fennec, Switchblade, Holger, KRM, that's all my mastered weapons
I'm No.82 in PH DR-H lb

Ak117, ak47, m4, em2, krig, qq9, fennec, p90, switchblade, holger, rpd, kilo, m13, oden, peacekeeper, rus79 r mine
I still hv more Im forgetting
But I will rmbr them eventually
I hv not mastered a single shotgun or sniper
I have mastery for every single weapon in the game except NA-45 and Argus.
DR-H?
You have mastery on DR-H remember?
no I don't?
don't get confused
I didn't master drh yet
ur mixing it up with another gun
fr
they dont know it's against the rules

Xd
Bruh they removed perms for posting attachments here
You need a
Gunsmithing pass
Bite of 87 by gorwell
😔 😔😔
five nights at Freddy~
Was that…

yes, what happened ⁉️🤨

Can someone give me a jak 12 build
Posted nonsense I guess.
I can think only of two people who could possibly do that.
Completely agreed with you.
Brian 💢
brian would do something like this
He would revoke
I will kill this man myself
Always has been 
Not sure about Brian, but the catfish and dumblu get on my nerves.
the catfish ⁉️
A guy who pretends to be a girl.
just like me fr
kirby mod 🔥
i will carry kirbs everyday if he unrevokes
what
saying im worse than kirby eh?
Ill have you know i wiped this man in the duels every time
i feel like you underestimate me 😔
well in the practice duels he rocketed me. that was traumitizing
You're so fucking cute
im carrying you rank mp next season
sin will be leggy in mp
OMG TRUE
i forgot how could i have
aether non stop 🔥
i want to have so many zombies 5 hour sessions with you
😔
we literally like played to round 40 💀
ripbozo
i get first priorities
🥺
me yes
what
i mean that i got a Halloween pfp
ok
if this is what the sinnie wants
🙏
im literally never leaving you

dark matter and aether are literally the same
dont @ me
literally the same but one moves a bit
so is your existence
Yea like collapse fluid
Oho boy look who’s talking
I agree
Nah bro u forgot to flip that
There's one thing to mention
Aether is looking really good on epic/leggy/mythics while dark matter is just a blueprint itself
To do list of Lino:
#1: go online
#2: go to codm server
#3: find dj
#4: rickroll him
#5: leave and look for other rickroll gifs to repeat step 4

Fuck Garena CODM
I think u meant global
Brother, you DO NOT know the lobbies I get
Ye I dont
KRMs, Holger, CBR4, same shit everywhere and everyday
Flashbangs, Grenades, Concussions
Same here
Fuck, even Garena BR is dog
Holgae and cbr abusers are literally always around
Facts
True true
Please be advised this channel is made for Gunsmith Builds & Gunsmith Statistics. This is not a channel to post in-game pictures or post camos you’ve obtained in a match.
If you want to post non-gunsmith go to #codm-gallery.
I’ve seen a lot of this, please follow channels purposes.
Cat
For mp or br?
Both
For br both are very good and for mp ak 47 is slightly better than m4
Thanks
The FFAR build I have is really good for shooting down vehicles
The vehicle damage barrel is insane
However I can only use that in BR
And not MP
I don't find enough vehicle users to warrent taking vehicle damage attachments
vehicles also just dont feel very dangerous
AK117 gunsmith that focuses on accuracy and control?
Heli

You can look in #codm-gunsmith-builds for builds
I stole this image from there
Thx
Barely ever see them
I will try that
Trying to level up ak117 weapon master to diamond xD
I haven't got diamond on any guns
Not diamond camo btw
Still no
I just get gold and move on to the next gun
I think I might have it on AMAX but I'm not sure

Those bats look good but the pumpkin (I assume) isn't visible properly
Yours also looks great
I thought it was obito at first
Thought you went from gojo (dead) to emo kid (dead)
I know most YouTubers are really bad but this build any good?
@rich arch,
10 Server Rank
And what can I change for red dot I was thinking of changing fmj
Hvk has a couple of different builds but they all ultimately serve the same purpose in the same way, it is a good build
Changing it to something else soon
Can't gather ideas 🚮
Yep
Scary themed* not Halloween in particular
Yep
Best epic
For hvk
Almost same irons as the leggy
Orange one
Toxic?
Ohh
I dunno
Haven't seen it but I'll search for it
Also let's go to #619960843878268950
Which gun is better investment between FFAR, M13 and KN44? Or SMGs cos I feel like SMG is dominating the meta more so than AR
Smgs have been dominating for a long while now but they have their ups and downs, between all those, ffar is the best
Fr fennec is cracked
just play off meta
If Bizon isnt meta. I use it often
Don't have X9 yet
I have switchblade tho
And that gun looks unique
Switchblade x9*
Lol
pro laine 🥶
All you 🫡🫡
And Argus loadout
cx9 needs 3m more range to be worth using over fennec
3m?
as in 3 meters?
yea
it has less 4shot range then fennec
3m is enough to make it almost the same but slightly farther
its 4ms slower fire rate with the upside of stomach also 4shotting instead of just chest and head
but many other downsides
fennec op
What should I use on a Level 15 Locus to level it up in MP? Don't feel like using XP Cards.
use xp cards
don't have that many I just want to have it at a good enough level
Buy the 1200 credit crates in the credit store they give u 500xp cards each
There is one for 120 credits
rly? where?
In the credit store look
oh that's neat
Fr it’s a life saver for my alt acc
guy
Damn ur Someone I been looking for them
?
do they go at such a low price often than?
In ur bio
gimme nitro
No the crates where only added a few seasons ago it’s always been like that
I don’t even have nitro so no
real
Gotta love it how no one mentions m16
Anybody have a good build for the as val that's low level if so tag or DM me
2 days. 🙄
That's my fave gun.
Trial loadout to run a decent build
its alright
hey, does anyone know the dl q33 build in the snipers only mode?
It's garbage.
is the one in the recommended attachments any good? it has 100,000+ likes
Are you looking for a DLQ build to use in regular MP games?
there's many mp games where a specific sniper could be dog water and others where it'll be overpowered. that's not really a good question
If you have the awareness and skill level, you can use any sniper on any mode on any map.
Uh
if it can OHK head and you can hit heads, sniper good
i don't think that was a valid english sentence 😆
If you want to get particular about grammar, I can play this game.
but yeah, if a sniper can do its job of OHKing at range while being built to not be slow, it'll do its job as well as you can make it
what the frick does OHK mean
also you can swear here btw
don't expect everyone to know all these oddly specific acronyms
i expect everyone to know basics like TTK and OHK tho
idk TTK either
the thing with these acronyms is that i know the phrase, just not the acronym
bro forgot the amax😭🙏
You're the first person I've seen to use "OHK", ever.
really???
I have no reason to lie.
damn
yeah
i remember seeing it all the time in destiny/d2 communities
guess its not common here
So what is ohk?
.
That’s what I assumed but with the context of ttk (which is a stat) I felt like maybe ohk would be a stat and not a single attribute
one tap faster to say, ohk faster to write
I just say 1tap because then I can also say 2tap 3tap 4tap and so on
whats up with your "Gunsmith Pass Denied" 
makes sense
Technically could say 1hk then 2hk 3hk 4hk which is shorter
But I didn’t think of that
And it’s not as self explanatory ig
ohk, thk, thk, fhk 
that's why i put 
ohk, thk thk fhk fhk shk shk ehk nhk thk ehk thk thk fhk … seems like it’d repeat
It’s kinda strange two t’s two f’s two s’s
In a row
that's why it's funny, you NEVER know without context what they mean 
Yeah I got that I was jsut curious what would happen if I kept going
So I typed it out
Whats the deal 
literally 1984
eyoooo.
but I do
Okay but isn't it you has to use
is the amax good? I feel like it's not a top weapon.
pubs is about an order of magnitude worse than ranked
garenians treat pubs as ranked 2.0
bro forgot when the number 1 team solo’d a 1v5 clutch in snd, codm champs 🤦♂️
Skill level > meta gun.
well the two are literally orthogonal things
Ikr it doesn’t even relate
Or be good with a bad gun. What's your point?
using a bad gun doesn't make you good and vice versa
well, point is you can't compare skill with what gun you use
I was just going off what Bryan said.
hm

I might try br sometime
saw some clips yesterday on youtube and it actually looks pretty fun
you have to be really good at sniping though, which I'm not
In sweat lobbies yeah it is
But most regular iso/blackout games are filled with bots
Wrong channel.
That’s why I stick to Alcatraz now 
I think it switches off between ground war and alca
every few weeks
wait for tournament or regular ranked br?
Tourney
and does alcatraz give you br ranked points?
Yeah it does
hmm interesting
I'll try it out sometime
I tried zombies hardcore for the first time ever
I think codm removed alca as a game mode cuz ppl just used it to grind rank 😭
honestly very underwhelming. I feel like they could've added so much more content
it feels like you just set things up and you're fighting the boss
should be like 20 waves imo
The VAL FMJ is better than Amax M67 rn
I wish ASVAL was as good as it was before
I love that mythic skin, but the gun kinda sucks lol
I mean base ammo sucks, FMJ mag is better than AMAX M67 and arguably almost on par with SKS in the current smg meta
really?
gotta try it. do you have a build?
I have the asval maxed on one account so I have that 3x scope thing too
SKS struggles with SMG pacing, VAL FMJ is two tap, 300ms ADS time, no recoil with a mobility build, good bsa with FMJ mag so you don’t have to build for it
Mobility too good for a two tap gun
FMJ mag, either barrel, RDS, whatever stock u feel
Honestly u have a lot of freedom with the build
I see
good morning y'all
Yeah, only issue with the VAL is the high skill requirement to maintain ur aim whilst having close to SMG strafe
And the game sense to know what gunfights u should and shouldn’t take lol, cus once ur past 40m the dmg, multis and bv makes ur gunfights difficult
yeah...
Within 40m, VAL is super scary
Barrels to top wood ig
how about trailer to jeep for p2?
The first clip is a lot better 😭
Second just to show range and bv isn’t acc that bad
this shiet is scary af
Within 40m
welp i will go back to holger and qq9
well. Yeah that's definitely enough range then
the recoil looks kinda high in the second video
I might put a grip on it
damn no ranked mp match for me ig
Firing range is fine unless u trying like P2 bench to showers lol
It has no recoil, that was just me trying to track lol
As val or amax?
oh lol
VAL, AMAX isn't that good
W gameplay
Mf was jumping and I didn't want leg hits lol
wait tf this gun literally has ZERO recoil
your sensitivity looks so smooth omg
Ty
wow the sight is so clean
I did try irons on VAL, but red dot just makes two tapping so much easier lol
CX9 with CX 38E has bullet speed
this blueprint looking juicy
disable is not good now
imo
before it was insanely good
if I put disable, the gun I choose would be lmg
@robust musk I think codm kinda stuffed up over here
It is still good at lmg but not in smg and ar xd
yeah ik

Maybe because they still classify the asval as an ar, so that mag is equal to tap firing
Shhhh
I'm literally maxing out vertical recoil rn and there's literally ZERO
Gate keep 
like it's not even moving
yes yes :D

@robust musk should I change anything?
Nah is fine, try experiment with quick response barrel too :)
doesn't it affect bv though?
VAL FMJ has a lot of build freedom, just best to build what suits u
Not a huge difference to hit scan range and like 2-3m range diff
200mm might be better if u running 3x but try both and see what works better for u
I don’t know why 200 mm barrel was used in the path’s video.
Anybody have kilobolt attachment?
@untold plaza,
10 Server Rank
I main the SKS and disable just feels terrible now
I use fmj
FMJ VAL still a new concept, script for that video made a while ago
Opinions have changed since that was written
waittt that scope looks amazing
what does it look like in game
scroll up lil bit
woah
usually I don't complain about this
but that looks so p2w
compared to the terrible default 3x
it looks like dlq black market except it doesn't cover the whole screen xD
oh yeah
because it's square
but god damn
that sight looks amazing
600$ sight : )
do you know if any other mythical have custom scopes like that
or is it just the as val
@wintry abyss
the mythic rytec also has a super p2w 3x tac scope
@robust musk I tried it in shipment. It's not very good lol
thats a VERY open scope
really?
could you send a ss real quick
I only know dat mythic dlq with cool looking sniper scope
which is customized xD
But it’s p2w. Like very p2w
It’s a low zoom scope that’s as wide as a regular sniper scope
So you can basically high fov when sniping
I think I like the as val better
also has a wide ass scope
but better designs
Yeah Mythic EM2, Mythic M13, Mythic Krig 6
And about to get the CX-9 Mythic
firm grip tape
Agency suppressor
Large mag B
Agile stock
Taskforce barrel
gunsmith?
What is it? Passive?
Standard build
And why tf can’t I send screenshots here
Uhm where at
Idk
I’ll try it out
In my opinion it's no recoil
Every gun needs a suppressor
Small mag for respawns tho
Laser is not beneficial on the krig unless you have the mythic
Not in respawns
It’s the same, -20% ads bsa
Wdym? It's a necessity or else you'd be visible on the map
I know but using other attachments will provide better results
Doesn’t matter unless you’re in s&d especially in modes like dom and hp
Where you’re obviously on the obj
Pretty much true but I'd still use a suppressor, it's your opinion if you don't want one which is totally fine.
that's tec's build. typical passive build. I don't recommend it though. You might as well LK or Kilo if you're going for that playstyle
It’s a waste of an attachment slot for basically a cosmetic usually
Not for me
Kilo is way closer range
every gun needs a suppressor.
no suppressor = instant meme build
asval is inherently silenced
Supp is only important in s&d
I know
.
That’s why I said as Val
okay and that literally just proves my point?
You never need to put a supp on as Val, in fact it’s impossible
you literally just said that the only gun that doesn't need a suppressor is the one that's already silenced
so what's your point?
Then why even bring it to the subject if it's impossible
But yeah suppressors are only advantages in tactical modes like s&d
I never said that was the only one
I said it was one
lol. not trying to be offensive here, but that's probably you don't do so well in respawns
I do
if you join any lobby that's even slightly competitive, who doesn't use a suppressor? again, literally instant meme build
It’s way easier than s&d but not as fun
Me
alr you do you. post any meta gunsmith without a suppressor and see what people think of it
The real problem "no suppressor" face is that they will be very much visible on the map and if the enemy team is actually good that pays attention to (any leggy lobby with good players) they are done for.
nah but respawns is easy trust
bloody ridiculous
Yeah I’d launch a nuke on this hill xD
the amount of tactical disadvantage you put yourself at without a suppressor is literally a meme
literally enough to drag your entire team down
Ain't no way it's easy when there's like a million molotovs thrown towards you while you're just trying to move and WHY TF DO MY TEAMMATES NOT USE TROPHY?
that was meant to be sarcastic comment
Then why am I always top frag
Just realized
just realised you can't react in this channel
But still they miss their tactical nades 😭
kilo is often built as a passive ar. krig is not
I mean the stim is pretty good
That’s weird, kilo has 10ms faster fire rate and the same damages
I started using stim recently too and it's pretty nice
It’s also less accurate
I wish I could use quick fix but persistence scorestreaks and stuff
?
Idk but after the nerf the speed boost is lower with a less active time stamp
oh it got nerfed?
Not recently
my builds
as val: you need suppressor?
max ads snniper mofos in snd
asval doesnt have one
the barrel is a suppressor in a way
idk how to explain it
asval with a suppresor 0-0
double supression = most quietest gun
bruh
oh ok i think the suppressor is integrated into the barrel

any switchblade?
Light Stock
Extended Barrel
Tactical Suppressor
Extended Mag A
OWC Laser
and go to settings and turn the aim shake options all the way down to zero
alr did that
have a good one then
That's useful but gives a weird ads bug
it does?
i tested it and found nothing
that setting is a lifesaver
Yes
fr
But I got that bug the ads feels slower with it
oh wait no
@cursive whale,
13 Server Rank
pharo got buffed
@ebon forum,
14 Server Rank
💀

Rn QQ9,swithblade and cbr are the most versatile smgs
Pharo has high reward high risk
Agreed 💯
Bizon can compete but the ttk of the top 3 is just too much for it to contest
It feels like chicom
the taser is shit
its a troll attachment
nothing more
It is who use it anyway
Chicom is now actually good ngl
codm really be puttin weird useles stuff rn
Fr
yeah it is
the new worst smg is pharo?
ayo chat lapa can 3tap?? is this real chat???
m4 grande launcher
like man we alr got the thumper
It is if you have very good aim
yeah
Lapa...
i have no idea
its good
lapa is good but bullet velo just brings the whole thing down
but idk about 3 tap
controversial opinion:Performance with the mythic kilo is much more than with the default one
The SMG version of em2
Even if u miss some of ur shots now it does the job
Agreed 💯
idk from my point of view you are just as dead as a f2p person if someone shot you 💀
idk all the other mythics are chill but the kilo just seems off
Is ak47 the best ar in br for mid-long range combact?
no
oh wait
Br
yeah its AK
for smg its ots
Ok, but with hip fire?
ive heard FFAR is pretty good in BR too
little risky but yeah its good
the oden too
Yes, but not enough ammos
= fun
everythings fun and games until you get beamed to the head by a guy rocking an AK
Oden it's Better for long range, the Fire rate it's not good
but hey u can use the oden as a sniper
Exactly
Marksman
80% of Garena lobby use Oden
There's no any weak point on Oden
Hey 👋
EXACTLY
im not up to date on BR info
im just speculating
Oden is good in mp too
@desert python,
13 Server Rank
Whats rollin’
What Is garena?
and ive NEVER seen garena br
Most annoying meta of all time
Server
U don’t know Garena ??
Nope, but i Heard It
bro doesnt know garena
Sea server is simply the Hell
ive gotta disagree with this
Oh
if you perfectly hit the upper chest and head sure oden is good
Best ar and smg in mp?
garena servers = sweaty ppl bro even did zigzag with a sg on 1v5
but the arms cover the chest
and theres barely any chance youll get to kill the opponent before they destroy you with a higher fire rate gun
Just hit any body part
The TTK is still faster than any AR
AR in my opinion its the LK and Kilo
Smg you can go with QQ9,switchblade and CBR4
but dont spam meta always and explore new guns too
Is It still lk, also After the nerfing?
aight lemme use the switchblade that dee gave me
imo i love it
if you have good aim and good movement its a beast
Oden is good for extreme passive palystyle
just go to settings and turn the aim shake down to zero
get good attachments
and let the magic unfold
Just little BSA nerf
Almost not effect the gun performance
The kilo is really good, i really appriciate this ar
i havent really felt the BSA nerf
the aim shake was the only thing annoying me but its fixed now
Try using grau with aim shake to zero maybe only grau has that bug
have fun :)
FR is op when ninja defusing.
Where can i find It? Sensivity?
go to Basic in settings
Basic
scroll down
Ok
Ok ok
and then just make it zero
I used kick scale 100 in ranked and i witnessed a 9 magnitude earthquake 🫨
i would rather kms than subject myself to that
seems stupid that they added it
cus it just increases the recoil if u adjust it higher
It's useful if you use at 0
some people like 'realism'
ye
I am back with a good name 😎
isnt your name the same as a codm bot
im sure one of them is named that
naw
It's gun kick scale, what about the view kick scale?
@warm frigate,
4 Server Rank
I changed it to ligma
turn them all to 0
idts the moderators forgot about that
hard carrying the team rn
banned name
goat
Oh 😮
they blind asf
average randoms behavior
Average randoms
doesnt know whats "footsteps"
that is the most annoying thing about randoms
They dumb aswell
your trying to pull of a perfect flank with dead silence on and these mfs just come RUNNING through
i might say most dumb players are in garena
the amount of sweats in there balance it out
they trashtalk the topfrag even tho they have 0 kill
The opacity of the stuff on screen is the best thing, they were so fastidious
dude really checked all the corners if theres an enemy even tho the enemy is WIPED OUT

😭💀🤣
W switchblades @cursive whale
how much do you have your opacity set on?
alr have one
Try qq9
alr did
45, why?
imma go with this
How many fingers hud do you guys have
3
But only the stuff on your visual, all other buttons are 100% of opacity
one hand player;-;
Good
💀
its true bro
Two, i use the third to dropshot
Why don't you play with both of your hands
its alr im proud of it
👑
but im working on my other hand
Did you broken hand? Or do you have an illness?
illness
is your hud ingrained in your muscle memory?
4
What Is hud?
100%???
WHY
The layout of your buttons
Cause i Need
4 is the best hud for mobile players
fr
Not so much, but I'm really good
I Need to try to opacit them
Mine too
ive set mine at 30
its perfect
gives me visibility and all the info i need
W
But i have a big screen, they aren't in the middle, i only need to rotate to the enemy and shoot him, i'm confident with 100 of opacity
the buttons are too dark
they block your vision of the enemy
hence people turn down the opacity
good enough
U can use everything
Just choose what suits ur playstyle best
LK and Kn are solid options
yeah
Krig isn’t a bad choice either
its a good option too
holdup
These can work
how do you have perms man
get the perm
Alternatively u can use these for laughs
go for tac suppressor instead of mono
no stock already hurts the already nerfed BSa
mono is just decimating it
U need gunsmith pass to send pics here
this one is good
Didn’t lk get nerfed for bsa
That’s why
hold up lemme clutch and finish my game so i can copt the build
so you apply no stock and mono to hurt it more 💀 ?
This was my build before the nerf
oh okay okay
How bout getting to know abt the build first before shitting on it? Jesus
Before LK nerf, my lk build was the universal one…but now it’s no longer the case
why tf do msgs randomly get deleted
U r not at the level to access perms yet
pre nerf that build would have been solid

Yes
But now I dont use Lk anymore
So there
damn
still a really good option
Hvk too, got lc mag nerf
I love how they buffed the hvk lc mag…only to nerf it again

Unfortunately, after the nerf that particular build is very bad
It used to be my most used build.
2 bullets right?
4*
💀
Nah wait 3
Previously it had 32 rounds…now it’s 28
& before 32 it was 29
latest build?
LMAO
It went from 29 -> 32 -> 28
or is it before the
Like…pick a lane
whats the use of buffing it then theyre just playing with us 
Exactly
No stock,Tac supp,Disable,Granu Grip,OWC Laser
u dont need mythic to shred and destroy them
real
y?
LIKE DUDE THE SITUATION WAS 1V4
I said it for you
ty bro
you up for a 1v1?
I don't know why, but sometimes i need to Watch the hud, but with the time i'll be used to Watch less
it gets ingrained in muscle memory over time
@ebon forum
garena?
global
ah nvm
It’s not a shipment gun 😭 it’s got better close to mid range capability than SKS but doesn’t mean it’ll dominate close range haha
The gun itself does have a high skill requirement to use effectively tho, u might need to get used to it
High reward value
What gun you talking about
AssVal?
Yeah, flinch problem is gone and it has no recoil
SKS substitute that copes with SMG meta pacing a lot better
I'm gonna probably use Maddox or Grau
Possibly cordite since I like how it sounds
Because…
Because
Shut up

Sin how did u get a gunsmith ban 😔
Sin is ban from gunsmith how that happened
He didnt obey the rules and exceeded the line too much
So he cant post images here at all anymore
So he's only ban from gunsmith
Yea
damn
Interesting
also the universal build for qq9 is still good. how?
Hmm
I never got warned alone
ChatReviveMedal acquired
I need a qq9 agro + passive build 
Hmm
prob not related and you looked like you had spammed imo
Some time ago people were posting totally off topic vids here and then deleting them
This was before gunsmith pass came
anyone got the build? 
How does aggro + passive build work 💀
for both cqc and longshot xD

imma try this build: no stock, ranger foregrip, 45 ext mag, tac laser and mono integral sup
3 warns 6 mutes, I may be the next sine tbh
bro got his pass instantly revoked 💀
i gotchu
U just need a little push and u'll be another sin
You can really play passive with a smg although,
Mono supp
Recon tac long
No stock
45 round mag
Gran grip tape/tac laser
This is the most used build however you can use
Light stock instead of no stock for better control.
i joined this server 2 years ago
wasnt active on dc
came today and saw i was muted
:Bruh_Really:
nah no embeds?
I made some silly mistakes and all three were when the mod was literally in the chat typing stuff to others.
When💀
the grind is real
Soon
gran grip tape is for mostly C4?
snd I mean
C4?
I played other fps games too so I kinda forgot the term xD
Idk
I'm saying when did u get so much warns and mutes
Yep that's why I gave the option on tac laser or gran although both pretty much do the same thing and the downside is literally small.
I don't remember
Might have to check
sounds interesting







