codm-gunsmith-help

[visual harbor]

Who is the better guys ?

[umbral obsidian]

And your only getting this in the end game

[languid oasis]

How do mods increase kovement speed?

[umbral obsidian]

You useing this for alca?

[umbral obsidian]

The ads one

[visual harbor]

Non BR isolated

[storm lance]

Marksman is of better value than elb and br isn't supposed to be fast. At the maximum it's you switching weapons

[languid oasis]

Alc is fast

Ofc normal br his build is good

[umbral obsidian]

But you spray and pray

[storm lance]

You use only one weapon? And do you immediately get a loadout drop?

[umbral obsidian]

Na my build is for alca

[languid oasis]

Oh

[languid oasis]

No why

[storm lance]

You ain't gonna get a loadout drop from the start, so you'll receive this build at the end, where everyone is not running around

[languid oasis]

Yea its good for end game and normal br

[storm lance]

So easily you'll need range and won't be rotating around prison or chem lab

[umbral obsidian]

Unless you a hso sweat

[languid oasis]

Yea

[storm lance]

Elb works still, but more range is better in any br mode

[languid oasis]

Hso + pumped in alc

I hate them

[storm lance]

I'm not an hso sweat, I'm an krm sweat who can't play with normal weapons ( I hate shotguns )

[visual harbor]

Thank u Ire

I go try

[languid oasis]

Yea smg user here too

[storm lance]

Don't thank me, thank Soundwave and kid

They're the ones who supported the builds

[umbral obsidian]

Me who can’t play with shot guns and use fennec instead

[storm lance]

I'm a ar main, but SMGs are easy for me

[storm lance]

Bro is no lifing the fennec

[umbral obsidian]

I use qq9 too

Sometimes sx9

But fennec is late late game

[storm lance]

My beloved

[umbral obsidian]

And qq9 is like a versatile

[umbral obsidian]

No glue what that said

[storm lance]

Breh, mp5 is easily the most used and least appreciated

[umbral obsidian]

But I think it’s ok

[storm lance]

Take out the dialect, the gun is amazing

[umbral obsidian]

Yes it is

[storm lance]

57 kills hardpoint and I nearly had a nuke before that one guy spawned behind

What's a good grau build?

[umbral obsidian]

Ima give you mine

[storm lance]

Sure

[umbral obsidian]

Mono to tac

60 to 50

That’s standers build

[storm lance]

I use no stock for over ads, and 60 rnd mag to balance ads. Tempus and mono are superior

[teal echo]

a bit off topic but are there any YTber that provide useful infos and genuine gameplay?

[umbral obsidian]

Bobby ?

Idk

He covers the balance changes

He does game play

[teal echo]

ill check his channel out then

[umbral obsidian]

Sure

[teal echo]

iirc he was a BR player? been ages

[umbral obsidian]

That idk

[teal echo]

does he cover mp now?

[umbral obsidian]

Yh

[teal echo]

aight cool

does range increase and bullet spd increase DPS?

[umbral obsidian]

Dps is damage per second

So only bullet spread would help you

Speed*

[teal echo]

then what does range increase do?

[umbral obsidian]

So range increase the effectiveness of the gun at long ranges and reduces the damage reduction

That made no sense

[teal echo]

wait what dmg reduction

[umbral obsidian]

Umm

[umbral obsidian]

Ok wait let me show you

See here

After 25 meters

It’s goes from 28 to 24

That’s the range you have

I’m sorry I’m the worst person you could ask for explanation

[teal echo]

so the red yellow and blue represent distance

[umbral obsidian]

Yes

And the number represents the damage

[teal echo]

no wonder why it took like 10 shots to take down a single bot in BR at 80m

[umbral obsidian]

Yh💀

[teal echo]

with SMG

[umbral obsidian]

Oh then that’s why

It’s an smg

[teal echo]

yeah

I was wondering why it took extra 4 bullets

[sharp socket]

Smgs have really bad dmg/range ratio

There are few exceptions to this tho

[teal echo]

ikr

well they were meant to be CQC to mid range in th game anyway

I am a bit skeptical trying out SMG in BR

quite frankly I am starting to love LMG but then I am missing CQC capability

any LMG rec for BR?

[languid oasis]

Geound loot is chopper

Or s36 or ul

[lean oak]

works best for mp

[tawny walrus]

Eh, kinda bad.

[lean oak]

once u master the recoil it works like a charm

[cosmic vessel]

What on earth

Mono Supp, MIP elb (is already there), RTC Steady Stock (If I can remember), Opt Fg, Ext Mag A

You can switch stock for RDS

[vale lichen]

Nope💀

[vale lichen]

Try this build

Far better

[umbral obsidian]

No

[umbral obsidian]

Yes

[umbral obsidian]

You don’t need rds

It’s cqc

[hoary lagoon]

Abomination

Who tf uses a red dot on a fennec

[tawny walrus]

I don’t like it.

[vale lichen]

Garena lobbies

Shotgun or fennec with red dot

[hoary lagoon]

Makes no sense

The max distance one is using it for is 20m

And that's me stretching it

[vale lichen]

Don't ask me i don't use scope on any AR, SMG or LMG

[safe shore]

Qq9 is mine the fennec somebody suggested it to me and I still use it

[vale lichen]

Perfect attachments

[safe shore]

For both ?

[vale lichen]

I don't see fennec

[safe shore]

The gold one is fennec

[sullen kayak]

Mono suppressors in both are understandable as they aren't that suitable for medium-long ranges

[safe shore]

Yeah

[vale lichen]

Yes

[safe shore]

Cuz rn im looking for a gun to main

I used to use ppsh but I’m so close to legendary and most of the pros in my region destroy me

Cuz my friend suggested me the qq9

And my other one suggested fennec so like

[vale lichen]

Qq9 is the best gun for this

[sullen kayak]

It depends. If you're struggling, it's better to use different guns and they serve different purpose

[vale lichen]

I don't use fennec but both need high control

[safe shore]

Yeah I wanna use a diff gun

[lime silo]

I need help

[safe shore]

Issue with both their only good in short range

[sullen kayak]

SMG so factual

[vale lichen]

If you know to control the recoil qq9 slays

[lime silo]

What is better setting to do sliding while shooting

[vale lichen]

Not like AR though

[safe shore]

That why in char earlier I asked for an ar suggestion nobody answered lol

[vale lichen]

AR fanbase change every season LK is great

[lime silo]

Im having hard time to do the task

[safe shore]

True but lk getting nerfed next season and I don’t want to look for a gun again

[vale lichen]

Bruh dude you should update guns every season

[safe shore]

Fr?

[vale lichen]

Depending on nerf and buff

[safe shore]

Hm wow

Cuz last season I used razor back it got nerfed so like

[vale lichen]

Yes i also used it it previous season and changed that sort to pdw

[safe shore]

What do u main now

[vale lichen]

Qq9,M-13

Both aggressive and LK for passive

[lilac lynx]

can someone give me a gunsmith for ak47

[sullen kayak]

Ak117, Kilo141, Maddox and the FFAR are some really good ARs in my opinion.

[safe shore]

I’ll go with the ffar and qq9

[sullen kayak]

And this due to nerfs and buffs as he stated

[vale lichen]

I didn't updated KN since 2021 tournament and now its so trash

[sullen kayak]

From SMGs you can also try out the Bizon and see how you feel about it

[safe shore]

It’s very good

Thanks I’ll try it

[sullen kayak]

We've got similar builds

[mint anvil]

Basically my hardcore difficulty gun for when I need that little extra speed and ammo I’d rather use my kilo but tbh this gun performs better

[sullen kayak]

Extended mag to forget reloading exists for a moment

[amber wasp]

Is m13 good?

[umbral obsidian]

Yes

[amber wasp]

M13 or kilo?

Which one better

[umbral obsidian]

Kilo

[tidal bear]

Kilo bolt action. Yes

[rugged briar]

whats the best gunsmith for cbr4?

[cunning yarrow]

tac laser, owc marksman, ykm light stock, gran grip, disable

[rugged briar]

tnx

[cunning yarrow]

why extended mag?

isnt 64 rounds enough

[sullen kayak]

@cunning yarrow

[cunning yarrow]

ohhh

[vale lichen]

One of the few epic devs tried hard lol

[knotty cobalt]

The fuck dawg

[uneven anchor]

FUCK WRONG IMAGE

Definitely my build

[vale lichen]

You took cat nip? AGAIN?!!

[uneven anchor]

that shit fucked me up

[swift abyss]

what is this bro

[uneven anchor]

Its not what it looks like i swear

[swift abyss]

😭

[uneven anchor]

At least herbo wont see this

I am in the clear

phew

[swift abyss]

@unique schooner dawgg

[uneven anchor]

HUH????

DO NOT PING THIS MAN

[swift abyss]

im sorry for betrayal 😔

[uneven anchor]

☠️☠️☠️

[swift abyss]

😭

[uneven anchor]

Im literally fucked

amazing 😭

[swift abyss]

no one will bulli trust

or i rip their spines out and make a show of it

[uneven anchor]

ok ok ok

[uneven anchor]

🥺 sin protec

[swift abyss]

you don't even play this game why are you here 😭

[uneven anchor]

idk

lowkey trash game

[swift abyss]

you can catch upto pals in dms and gcs

[swift abyss]

fr (i play 12hrs a day) 😔

[uneven anchor]

invite me

dont suffer alone

[swift abyss]

no 😔

[uneven anchor]

yes

[swift abyss]

only i must partake in this unending torment

😔

also notice the slowmode, i am 90% sure im behind it

[uneven anchor]

what did this they do this time

my iphone deadge

swap to the droid

[unique schooner]

The real red pill

[uneven anchor]

REAL

[swift abyss]

☠️

[uneven anchor]

based and redpilled fr

[swift abyss]

WHAT DO THESE TERMS MEAN⁉️

[uneven anchor]

nothing

[swift abyss]

i ain't as terminally online

😔

bro fr posted in the gc

[uneven anchor]

Okay so its basically a matrix reference and the blue pill means you keep living your life not knowing the truth and the red pill means the truth

[swift abyss]

rat behaviour 😔

[swift abyss]

truthedge wowie

[uneven anchor]

but the creators of the film who are trans have come out saying that the film and therefore perhaps the pill is an allegory for transitioning

[swift abyss]

No way

[uneven anchor]

but somehow red pill blue pill became a right wing meme

[swift abyss]

YEAH THAT'S WHAT I WAS GON SAY

[unique schooner]

Gunsmith...

[swift abyss]

☠️☠️☠️

the terms that incel love actually came from trans ppl

unrealge

[uneven anchor]

trans people are literally the best posters

[swift abyss]

lowkey good fr

i been using this 🔥

[uneven anchor]

real

[swift abyss]

great ads speed

[swift abyss]

favourite movie of incels "american psycho" made by a lesbian

dawg

[dusty heart]

No one is Paul Bateman

[uneven anchor]

americans not missing the point challenge

[tawny walrus]

[swift abyss]

yeah it's a satirical play on the yuppie lifestyle of the 80s

[uneven anchor]

uh komi dont scroll up thanks

[swift abyss]

maybe people do deserve bad things idk

[uneven anchor]

i dont want you to uh think I'm not normal which i mean i am normal i promise

[tawny walrus]

When you said it, I have a strong urge to scroll up.

[uneven anchor]

💀

i literally fucked
myself

incredible

[swift abyss]

dawg you ain't patrick bateman, you work a dead end 9-5 job that leaves you no time to socialize and develop hobbies

[dusty heart]

@tawny walrus

[uneven anchor]

HUH??

[tawny walrus]

I’ve seen that, but I don’t understand what does cisgender means. I need to take a quick look.

[uneven anchor]

im fucked man

[dusty heart]

I can’t ping herbo cuz I blocked him

[uneven anchor]

hes banned

[dusty heart]

Oh wack

[swift abyss]

good riddance

[uneven anchor]

yeah but now herbo cant see my illness

[swift abyss]

he was spreading too much chaos and discord within these fine spaces

[tawny walrus]

What did he do to you?

[dusty heart]

Nothing

[tawny walrus]

[coarse imp]

guys

whats a really good assualt rifle

[tawny walrus]

Kilo 141.

[coarse imp]

i mean it dose not kill fast enough

i dont see it in the meta

[narrow glen]

@coarse imp, 1 Server Rank

[coarse imp]

or anybody using it

[tawny walrus]

[south cloak]

ICR-1

[small snow]

May some please give me a hvk, chopper, locus, cordite, and as val build please?

[tame scroll]

Damn

[mild pier]

Is this weapon okay? I also modified it :))

[sharp socket]

I wouldnt use that

Use this instead

[tidal bear]

Not good

[tidal bear]

Whats your timezone?

[sharp socket]

Gmt +03.00

Aka, utc +03.00 too

[tidal bear]

I'm gmt+8

[sharp socket]

Its so late for u 💀

[tidal bear]

[sharp socket]

3am momento

And ur from somewhat eastern asia

Maybe like indonesia or around that

Or maybe philippines

[tidal bear]

None of you said are close to what i live

[sharp socket]

But asia right

[tidal bear]

Yes obviously

[sharp socket]

Didnt even check that

Just guessed it based on my mindset

[sharp socket]

🗣️ ‼️

[robust thistle]

les go

[cunning yarrow]

pov you arent gm yet

[robust thistle]

xD

[cunning yarrow]

idg how im not top 5k

[cyan shoal]

Gerena or global?

15k points at garena is still far from top5k ig

[narrow glen]

@cyan shoal, 1 Server Rank

[cunning yarrow]

global

[cyan shoal]

Oh, thought you're at garena

Welp gl

[chilly goblet]

I feel like guns with no attachments have much better damage and quality than guns with any attachments

The turnovers on the attachments rly do a big difference

[oak gulch]

How to access beta mythics?

[wintry abyss]

wdym

[narrow glen]

@wintry abyss, 17 Server Rank

[ornate jackal]

Ur super close its like 15789 points for top 5k

[oak gulch]

@cunning yarrow knew it.

[wintry abyss]

what's beta mythics

[ornate jackal]

U get 10k cp in beta after completing training apparently

[oak gulch]

How to beta tho?

[ornate jackal]

U cant rn

[wintry abyss]

test servers?

[wintry abyss]

playing with no attachments is torture for almost every gun

[oak gulch]

No.

Like grau.

And icr.

[rich arch]

Post this in #codm-gallery

[robust thistle]

could i do something more than that ?

[rich arch]

You can chat without photos. There are certain mods in here who are strict about keeping channel discussions on topic

[robust thistle]

alr

[cunning yarrow]

what

[oak gulch]

#codm-gunsmith-builds

[cunning yarrow]

wdym

[oak gulch]

You know what i mean.

[cunning yarrow]

no i dont

oh the beta?

and the free mythics?

i thought everyone know?

you neeed testflight for ios

then after training check mail and you get 10000 cp, mythic qq9 m13 and em2, a few legendary guns, mythic cards, xp cards and you get lvl 194 instantly

and 10000 cp

[light vale]

@cunning yarrow how do you do it

[dusty heart]

Bro they literally just said it

[light vale]

Nvm

[cunning yarrow]

its full so you wont be able to test rn

i deleted it bc i am a g

[oak gulch]

LOL ios?

[cunning yarrow]

yeah

[oak gulch]

Ok.

[cunning rapids]

@robust thistle Please keep this channel gunsmith related.

[robust thistle]

alr

[rich arch]

@rich arch my build for some reason

[autumn salmon]

@river pawn that was very fun but now I need to go

Cya~~

Wait wrong channel

[teal echo]

What's a good Bizon build?

[cunning yarrow]

w build

[cunning yarrow]

tac sup, owc marksman, no stock, tac laser, gran grip

or mono sup and extended light barrel

[umbral obsidian]

Never have I ever seen this much upvotes

[teal echo]

Ty

[teal echo]

The large caliber round worth using?

[umbral obsidian]

No not really

[cunning yarrow]

if you keep hitting the legs yeah

just aim for upper body and head and you will be good

[teal echo]

Aight

Man that gun has no recoil

Ayo templar

Can I replace the laser for a red dot?

Cool skin btw

[umbral obsidian]

bison has great iron

you dont need rds

cant spell

[teal echo]

Ok I'll try the iron sight then

I need to get used to iron sight

Just wondering, is visible laser an issue?

I can see that's an issue for camping at hard point or demolition

I got the skin too

Cos I am a huge Dark Souls fan and it looks like Yhorm the Giant

[unique schooner]

I get 4 kings vibes from it

[ornate jackal]

Not if u have a little game knowledge

U can just aim down on an object say like a wall and then when an enemy appears u flick off the wall and shoot

[teal echo]

That works too

[ornate jackal]

It may be hard for players to have good accuracy that way tho so if u cant then replace mono sup for tac and then laser for a perk, or ammo

[teal echo]

I can see that although the design is a bit too shiny for 4kings. But ngl, I can really see what they look like with how much light is in their boss arena

[teal echo]

Aight thanks

[teal echo]

Well I mean the base form looks more like Yhorm while the final form is a bit spikey which explains why you think it looks like the 4 kings.

But man mythic upgrade do be pricey

[cosmic vessel]

No mag!?

[viscid belfry]

invocation or ritual one?

[cosmic vessel]

Of not large, use ext

[viscid belfry]

i love that one

[cosmic vessel]

I mean, the reason people use the bizon is cause it has an lmg mag size

[viscid belfry]

yes and the iron sights its the best

[cunning yarrow]

it wont matter if you have it because there are so many good hardscopers in hp/dom

[unreal gale]

krig gunsmith

[unreal gale]

Oh wow master rank is literally shipment lol

Fennec with reasonable recoil

[austere igloo]

What main ar shld I run on this loadout

& shld I change anything else?

[unreal gale]

Gives hvk vibes

You should definitely use uav too

I’d also switch out the red perk

[austere igloo]

Uav change with which scorestreak?

[austere igloo]

For?

[austere igloo]

Funny thing is…I alr hv 1

[unreal gale]

sentry probably

[unreal gale]

park gives pk vibes imo

[gritty zinc]

Anyone good ranked at im master 4

Ranked loadout*

[unreal gale]

lk24

just use hot recommendation build

uav shock goliath for streaks

kinetic armor for operator

lightweight/pinpoint, ghost, hardline for perks

[gritty zinc]

Is that good to grind towards legendary*

[unreal gale]

play respawns since it's easier

yes. Good even for top 5k

if you feel more confident, you can swap the goliath for advanced uav

[austere igloo]

I dont use pkmk2 now

& what red perk shld I change overclock to? For the alias loadout?

[unreal gale]

if you use hvk, probably skulker or pin point if you don't scrim

[dapper stratus]

best grau 556 gunsmith?

[austere igloo]

How bout the park one?

Previously I ran drh

But then I swapped to hvk

[dapper stratus]

:/

[tepid sleet]

hi, can i use the Grau loadout?

[unreal gale]

uhh same thing honestly

[austere igloo]

Pls do

[austere igloo]

Or shld I switch back to drh

[unreal gale]

I mean hvk is definitely better

[austere igloo]

Coz I’m quite comfortable with that

[unreal gale]

and you should use hvk a bit more before it gets nerfed

drh is fine though

[austere igloo]

I dont wanna be running 2 hvk loadouts

[unreal gale]

but you should definitely switch out your operator and your perks for the park one lol

[austere igloo]

To what?

[unreal gale]

oh, well run drh on the park one then

[tepid sleet]

hmm, is that a skin on the gun?

[unreal gale]

kinetic is universal. Could also go for claw or purifier

[austere igloo]

Or shld I use this instead? LOL

[unreal gale]

blue perk switch to hardline or dead silence. Those 2 are the only viables ones tbh

[austere igloo]

They’ve neglected this gun for too long tbh

[unreal gale]

yeah that could work

[austere igloo]

For the park one or the alias one?

[unreal gale]

both

also kinda depends what the loadouts are for

I'm making suggestions in terms of general ranked respawns

[tepid sleet]

ah

the grau is a nice weapon for ranked

[drifting cairn]

Anyone got an account with 5 mythic and any other legendary guns send a dm I’m buying

[austere igloo]

Right

[unreal gale]

uhh don't make these posts here

[tepid sleet]

do you guys have a HDR loadout?

[austere igloo]

I generally use this for respawns

[austere igloo]

& the gun is burst mode btw

[tepid sleet]

@austere igloo do you have a HDR loadout for ranked?

[austere igloo]

I don’t do ranked

But I do hv a hdr loadout

[tepid sleet]

ah ok, I use snipers a lot so I'm looking for some loadouts

[austere igloo]

Im using blueprint bcoz i hate the hdr base scope

[tepid sleet]

yea, thanks for the loadout

works like a charm

[austere igloo]

[tepid sleet]

🙂

[unreal gale]

Anything that sticks up like this

All feel amazing. Precise, unobstructed, no aim shake

@austere igloo

[austere igloo]

Which is the last gun?

[unreal gale]

sks

[tepid sleet]

anyone got a dl q33 loadout?

[cunning rapids]

light supp, mip light, combat stock, mag A, fmj

[tepid sleet]

thanks

[narrow glen]

@tepid sleet, 14 Server Rank

[tepid sleet]

should help me

[rich arch]

Imagine having skins

My only p2w skin is m13 from bp and I don’t even use it

💀

[keen crypt]

What gunsmith for cbr4?

[autumn salmon]

Tac supp
Marksman barrel/extended barrel
Light stock
Tac laser/disable
Gran grip tape

[keen crypt]

Sankyou

[autumn salmon]

You're welcome!

[tepid sleet]

hmm

[deft blaze]

Master ranked guys

[tepid sleet]

Master?

[deft blaze]

I got master FINNALLY

master 1

[tepid sleet]

ah nice, I am stuck on Legend

[deft blaze]

Stop flexxing :p

[tepid sleet]

im not :p

[deft blaze]

My friend almost hitting legend

[tepid sleet]

ah nice

[nimble lodge]

Right like new rank when

[tepid sleet]

I been on legend since start of season

rank is decent, almost at 10000

grinding on S&D

[nimble lodge]

Eh i get bored once leaderboard rushers are gone tbh

[tepid sleet]

yea

used to fun grinding

[nimble lodge]

Pretty much play 3 days of ranked and then a day for weapon camos

[tepid sleet]

camos?

ah you mean like Dragon and Gold?

I almost got Platinum on some guns

[nimble lodge]

Just gold cant be bothered with the time for diamond

[nimble lodge]

Honestly plat> damascus

[tepid sleet]

yea

my original has almost all Platinum

just needed the new guns to gold and done

[nimble lodge]

Noice

[tepid sleet]

i stopped playing 2 years ago

and got back on with a new acc

[nimble lodge]

Fair

[tepid sleet]

yea

[teal echo]

Tried out the Bizon and it's build recommended here. It was taking down the further target in the training room like a laser gun

Think I'll get nerfed?

[nimble lodge]

most likely not

nothing big at least

[pulsar patrol]

NERDS

[wild ledge]

P

[bronze turret]

?

[tepid sleet]

?

[keen crypt]

Thanks

[sterile pike]

this is gonna be pretty bad at range. Also why disable

[unreal gale]

Uhhh have you really not seen this build before

It's been the ranked standard for about 3 seasons at least

[sterile pike]

i have but why disable, especially on a smg.

[unreal gale]

Well, it disables

Like legit

[sterile pike]

well only for legs which you shouldnt hit for smg's

[unreal gale]

I feel like I've had this discussion a lot haha

Ideally you don't want to hit legs

But when people start slide jumping, good luck hitting chest only

1 hit to the legs is basically death

Like they can't get out of the way

[sterile pike]

hitting center mass aint hard

[unreal gale]

I mean you do you, it there's a reason why pros and ranked predators alike love disable

For cbr, it's also because there's nothing else to put on

Like you equip like soh but that's kinda cringe

[sterile pike]

laser

especially cause the bsa sucks now

[unreal gale]

Laser is literally the least favorite attachment

No one uses laser if they're playing serious

[austere igloo]

esp for sniper

[sterile pike]

it wont be cause the bsa is complete garbanzo

[unreal gale]

I mean I use laser now too

I swapped out the stock for it

But I don't use cbr seriously anymore

[austere igloo]

Good

[unreal gale]

More to meme around in low elo lobbies

[sterile pike]

if you want any semblance of ranged performance, you would drop the perk for the laser

[austere igloo]

Cbr needs to die off from serious play

Or even…any play, at all

[unreal gale]

Trust me. No one uses laser when they're playing serious lol

[austere igloo]

Except if ur garenian

[unreal gale]

Literally the despised perk in ranked

[austere igloo]

[unreal gale]

I personally think hardscoping is just too much to lose

Laser does make your gun feel great

[sterile pike]

free bsa and ads time? nah

[unreal gale]

But having to change your playstyle is cringe

[unreal gale]

💀

There's a laser. That's the point

That's why it's bad

[austere igloo]

To me…that’s what allows me to improve

Rather than sticking to 1 all the while

[sterile pike]

if you're aggressive it isnt since you wont be pre aiming

[unreal gale]

You'll have to flick

[unreal gale]

Uhh. What

[autumn salmon]

That green light annoys me so much

[austere igloo]

I use the same operator with the same melee but I run qq9 instead of pp19

[austere igloo]

It’s visible

[sterile pike]

it wont be bad if you're an aggressive player

[austere igloo]

& gives away ur position

[unreal gale]

You preaim especially when you play aggressive...

That's what wins fights

[sterile pike]

you slide and kill

[unreal gale]

For me it's the discomfort that I'm disclosing my location every time I ads

[austere igloo]

Makarov

[autumn salmon]

That too but the light annoys me more

[unreal gale]

You dont slide peek?

You just slide out?

[austere igloo]

Im trying to learn that

[unreal gale]

And expected your opponent is gonna panic and fling their arms in the air when they see you?

You'll get lasered. Hit by disable and you're dead before you even ads

[sterile pike]

i move while ads'ed out while drifting my joystick side to side and then slide and kill.

[unreal gale]

Add a new button to your load out

The 1 tap ads

[sterile pike]

its hard to explain in words but it throws your opponents off

[unreal gale]

You've heard of slide canceling before?

You should try it

[sterile pike]

i have but i dont use it

[unreal gale]

Puts you at a great advantage

[autumn salmon]

I have 1 tap ads and the normal shoot just beside each other overlapping by a bit

[unreal gale]

If you have a laser however, you bloody flash your laser when you slide cancel

[autumn salmon]

1 to preaim and 1 to slide cancel

[unreal gale]

Yeah that's good

Just slide and tap the 1 tap ads

[autumn salmon]

Exactly

[sterile pike]

only for a slight bit of time

[unreal gale]

Enough for your opponents to see you

Information is everything

[sterile pike]

not enough. Most wont see the laser for a split second. I dont get this talk of lasers being obsolete or whatever. Their benefits are simply too much to ignore

[unreal gale]

Main problem with laser is that you can't hard scope

That alone is not worth at all, for any gun

Unless it's like a pistol

[sterile pike]

no

the extra BSA and ADS time decrease combo more than makes up for it

[unreal gale]

It literally doesn't

[sterile pike]

it does

[unreal gale]

Again, why do you think literally no one playing seriously ever uses it?

You've ever seen any pros ever use tac laser?

[sterile pike]

we're not talking about the pro scene

we're talking about ranked

[unreal gale]

Idk why there's this concept that the pro scene is a different game

It's literally the same game, same map, Sam objective

Nothing changes

[sterile pike]

they play at a different level utilising techniques the average player will never utilise

[rich arch]

@unreal gale Love you

[sterile pike]

their entire way of playing is different

thats why we differentiate

[unreal gale]

If you play with people who don't have gamesense, then you can use whatever you want, why even use a good gun

[unreal gale]

I'm an average player

The people I play with in ranked are average players

Everyone exploits lasers so no on uses it

[sterile pike]

except shotgunners, lmg users, AR users and smg users atleast here in my server

[unreal gale]

You do you then

But ranked standard is disable and not laser

Cbr is dead anyway. Use it like you'd use ppsh or whatever other obsolete but good feeling smg

[sterile pike]

no on smg's they're not. Not once have i seen someone use disable over a laser plus smg's with negative leg multi's dont need it

[unreal gale]

I feel like you literally don't play ranked or something 💀

Maybe the meta is different in your region

[vestal goblet]

Any1 here saw boomthegrinder kinda recent post?

Where a guy had 188 legendary times at mp and 144 at br

[sterile pike]

we do, just cause we dont agree with your thinking doesnt mean we dont

[sterile pike]

that was edited lol

[unreal gale]

We?

[sterile pike]

im referring to my region as a whole

[vestal goblet]

Still if it existed i would poo my pants

[unreal gale]

Yeah, so different meta

[sterile pike]

not really, its pretty easy to get leggy in both

[unreal gale]

In na, playing passive is king. You literally can't win a gunfight against someone who's hardscoping unless they either choke or are just holding a bad position

Or they're just bad. Which is not too rare in ranked

[vestal goblet]

Somehow a top 5k player is worst than sum1 with 9k points
(I was the obj)

[sterile pike]

i think running disable on smg's with negative leg multi's such as the striker 45 or pdw is pointless since if you hit legs your ttk becomes awful so disable becomes useless

[unreal gale]

Disable has been cbr meta for like as long as the gun as been meta

[vestal goblet]

Game hates me by giving teammates that left after 1st round on domination when we were winning

[sterile pike]

im not talking about the cbr in that statement bruh. SMG's with negative leg multipliers, im talking about those

[unreal gale]

You get compensation though

And a new teammate

[vestal goblet]

Still

[unreal gale]

We're talking about cbr aren't we?

[vestal goblet]

I wanted to yoink 1 of my teammates ass knife and he left 😦

[unreal gale]

And for that matter, people run disable instead of laser on switchblade too

[vestal goblet]

I sks even good if ur a trash player

[unreal gale]

It's not bad

It's quite different from other guns

[sterile pike]

no now im talking about disable as a whole on smg's. Its only maybe good on AR-SMG hybrids

[vestal goblet]

No when ur accuracy is trash and not being able to hold good angles

[unreal gale]

I think disable is good for any gun which you can spare the slot

[vestal goblet]

Thats when sks looks bad when on a trash player but on a skilled player

[unreal gale]

But still, laser is quite disliked by most people on basically every gun

[sterile pike]

i dont think so. Hitting leg shots for smg's is death

[unreal gale]

Gran tape > laser when you have the choice

[sterile pike]

who would you classify as most though?

[vestal goblet]

Na 45 in snd my enemy was top 50 on na 45

[unreal gale]

Certainly not. You gotta stop thinking about ideal numbers

Bloody stat analysts made it so that's all anyone cares about

[vestal goblet]

What are good guns that is off meta in dis season?

[unreal gale]

Bloody potential. If that's all that mattered, why doesn't everyone just run snipers

0ms ttk any range

[unreal gale]

Krig, kilo, cbr, uhh, qq9?

UL and holger are both meta

[vestal goblet]

What about for smg's mainly

[sterile pike]

you hit one leg shot in close range then you get fucked in terms of ttk. Disable just encourages bad ttk.

[unreal gale]

Oh bizon is good if you can aim with it

[sterile pike]

kilo isnt off meta, it is meta

[unreal gale]

I can't really aim with bizon

[unreal gale]

Well no. Because lk and hvk are I disputably better

[vestal goblet]

Ehhh

[unreal gale]

If you count kilo as meta, then your meta definition is way too wide

[sterile pike]

no. HVK 3 tap is inconsistent at best with awful mag capacity. LK is marginally almost unnoticeably better

[vestal goblet]

Imma try out dr h instead

[unreal gale]

You cna say kilo is competitive

[vestal goblet]

Any good gunsmith for it?

[unreal gale]

But it's definitely not meta

[sterile pike]

if you dont count it then you just dont know it

[sterile pike]

it definitely is

[unreal gale]

What are you even saying 🗿

[vestal goblet]

@sterile pike is dr h with otm mag has good damage?

Or should i keep regular mag

[sterile pike]

i am saying the kilo absolutely is meta

[unreal gale]

When there's 2 guns in the same category that are better than it, number 3 is not meta by definition

[sterile pike]

no dont do that, OTM is mandatory

[autumn salmon]

Which otm's better? 30 or 25?

[sterile pike]

HVK point blank isnt plus LK is only marginally better as i said

[vestal goblet]

So otm is needed for it

[autumn salmon]

I feel like 30 is better

[sterile pike]

30 imo

[unreal gale]

You don't have to 3 tap with hvk. The 4 tap is still better

[autumn salmon]

Yes

[sterile pike]

yes

[sterile pike]

ttk is the same lmao

[unreal gale]

Better mobility

And better recoil imo

[vestal goblet]

Will then no stock mono otm 30 mag laser and wounding?

[unreal gale]

Just try the hot recommendation

It's probably not terrible

[sterile pike]

we're talking main AR's. The kilo and LK are main AR's. The HVK's a flex AR

[unreal gale]

Definitely not wounding

[vestal goblet]

Ok

[unreal gale]

Really depends how you build it

I built my hvk like a main ar

[sterile pike]

regardless, not counting the kilo as meta is just objectively wrong

[unreal gale]

Feels amazing

[unreal gale]

Lol by that definition of meta we have like 25 meta guns rn

What is sks also meta?

What about chopper?

[sterile pike]

no

[unreal gale]

And krig? And cbr? And bizon? And pk?

[sterile pike]

bad bsa and poor 4 tap range

[unreal gale]

List goes on and on and on

[autumn salmon]

Pk actually good?

[unreal gale]

What point do you draw the line for not meta?

[sterile pike]

pk has bad range and BSA compared to the kilo and LK

[unreal gale]

Well it's not bad, certainly competitive

[sterile pike]

sks is only good if you're good

[split stag]

true

its very good for hardpoint

[autumn salmon]

High skill high reward gun and it's the same case for argus

[vestal goblet]

Got destroyed by sks with a player who was top 100 on my region rank

[sterile pike]

true

[unreal gale]

By15 is better

Just even higher skill threshold

[autumn salmon]

Argus one shot consistency is ass

Very bad

[unreal gale]

Again, where do you draw the line if you consider any gun that's competitive as meta?

How much worse is pk than kilo?

[vestal goblet]

S9 they gone hurt the hvk large caliber mag by removing 4 bullets

[unreal gale]

And idk, ak117 to pk?

And type 25 to 117?

[sterile pike]

kilo isnt competitive. Its straight better

[vestal goblet]

Which is gonna damage it alot tbh if ur using hvk cuz u like its ttk

[unreal gale]

Becomes completely arbitrary lol

[sterile pike]

worse in enough aspects to not be considered on the same level

[autumn salmon]

Just be careful with the ammo and you won't fall off

[split stag]

is mac-10 any good on br or its still fennec

[unreal gale]

This is getting no where lol. You do you.

[autumn salmon]

Use qq9 or ots instead of those

[swift abyss]

@sterile pike dumbb

@autumn salmon wapple

[autumn salmon]

Gooby 🫂

[sterile pike]

kilo is considered meta cause of good range, bsa and recoil all hall marks of a good main AR. To not say its meta is ignorant imo.

[unreal gale]

Wait what's wrong with desperado?

[unreal gale]

And yet literally no one uses it

[split stag]

yes, but in mid range? i usually fight mid range with smg🤷‍♂️

[autumn salmon]

Blud died 3 times this week to it

[unreal gale]

Why? Because lk and hvk, the actual meta ars, are better than it

[sterile pike]

usage does not equate to how good a gun is

[autumn salmon]

They're still better

[unreal gale]

And everyone uses those. Tf do you call a meta gun that no one uses lol

[sterile pike]

as i have said before. Not the case

[autumn salmon]

Type with sp also has a really fast ttk

[split stag]

how about qxr is it any near those smg?

[unreal gale]

It does

But the range kinda sucks

Bsa at range especially

[autumn salmon]

Haven't really used that in br so sorry I have no idea.

[sterile pike]

again. Let me give you an example, S36 in BR, the s36 is better in terms of ttk compared to every other gun in BR yet no one uses it

[zealous cloud]

Hmm

[unreal gale]

Then it's not meta

Snipers have better ttk than every other gun and people don't use snipers in respawns

Hence, not respawns meta

Sks is good, but no one uses it. Therefore not meta

[autumn salmon]

Only problem it faces that can't even be solved with attachments for range, but it's on par with cbr in ttk at close to mid ranges

[sterile pike]

it is. the ttk is so fast that not even the best AR is considered to be close in terms of ttk

[unreal gale]

Pretty sure it kills faster

I love type. Hate that they nerfed it

[swift abyss]

nerds

just go and play the damn game

[autumn salmon]

Cbr before nerf > type with sp > current cbr

[sterile pike]

so to you usage is meta. If the pharo was used as much as lets say the CBR then according to you it would be meta even though the pharo is stats wise garbage

[autumn salmon]

It also depends on versatility and comfort and sks is a special case where the gun offers everything but in exchange for high skill.

Sks is meta

[tepid sleet]

anyone got something for the MK2? Attachments

[autumn salmon]

Tell me one thing, sks has an infinite 2 shot for body?

[sterile pike]

kilo is too considering how many things it does well

[autumn salmon]

Bolt or 141?

[sterile pike]

iirc it does

[autumn salmon]

Kilo ar is definitely meta given that insane ttk and 3 shot at close to mid

[sterile pike]

141

[autumn salmon]

It's meta

[sterile pike]

for some reason sunny thinks it isnt because.......usage?

[autumn salmon]

Damage good
Range good
ttk good
Versatile
Comfort good
Recoil is very very easy

(For kilo 141)

Checks off basically all the needs for becoming a viable option that won't disappoint

[swift abyss]

No?

Kilodge recoil is bad

[sterile pike]

true

[autumn salmon]

Why though? It feels really good

[sterile pike]

bruh. Skill issue

[swift abyss]

Stfu painussy

[autumn salmon]

It's definitely not hard to control

[swift abyss]

I'm a high ranking officer here. You can't speak to me like how you do in LOD here

[sterile pike]

he thinks it isnt cause it apparently isnt used as much as other AR's

[sterile pike]

oh boy i can

[sterile pike]

bro's throwing a tantrum

[zealous cloud]

Tantrum

[autumn salmon]

Used where? Because I see lobbies (m and above) loaded with kilo and it's very much used in comp too.

[swift abyss]

I feel like m13 is easier bc it has no aim shake

They are introducing an option to just disable aim shake in the next update btw

[tepid sleet]

Hi all, anyone got a loadout for the MK2?

[swift abyss]

I will rip your spine out

Now thats real tantrum

[sterile pike]

yeah im not exactly sure where he got that from but even ignoring usage the kilo still rules

[sterile pike]

bro thinks he's sub zero

[autumn salmon]

Try to use m13 to cross map in firing against a kilo with relatively same attachments and you'll see

[autumn salmon]

Exactly

It's too easy to use

[swift abyss]

Whatever yall, im done farming for today

[silver sentinel]

Guys how can i make this build better? Any suggestions

[sterile pike]

same as LK lol

[autumn salmon]

What does that integral supp offer?

[sterile pike]

gran to ranger foregrip and the barrel to tactical suppressor

[sterile pike]

ads time which the m16 doesnt need

[autumn salmon]

What? Ranger fg?

[swift abyss]

People use m16 bro⁉️

[sterile pike]

yes. Main AR

recoils too gae

[silver sentinel]

Makes it fasrer ads and suppresor

The thing i dont like about this build is that i cant use it at range, its very hard to control the recoil💀

[silver sentinel]

Mu main gun💀

[swift abyss]

use sworrfish if like burst fire

[sterile pike]

yeah change it to tactical suppressor

[swift abyss]

🔥

sworrfish + halberdge mag 🔥

[silver sentinel]

So this?

[autumn salmon]

Then you can use what nabila mentioned
Tac supp instead of integral and ranger fg instead of gran grip tape

[unreal gale]

You're drawing a false hypothetical

[zealous cloud]

I hate it when i land again in Alcatraz on enemy and I have swordfish

[sterile pike]

yeah but granulated to ranger grip

[unreal gale]

The situation you mentioned won't happen unless pharo was better than cbr

People in ranked aren't stupid

They use whatever gun works

[silver sentinel]

Aint it ganna be slow now?

İmma give it a shot one sec

[unreal gale]

So a gun that's not used is a gun that doesn't work as well as the guns that are used

Hence, not meta

[sterile pike]

yeah but its a main ar so it doesnt really matter

[sterile pike]

look at the stats not just usage

[rich arch]

Nah
Use
Integral barrel
MIP strike stock
48rnd
Wild fire
And rubberized

[autumn salmon]

That's a point to be noted but sks isn't used in rank because it's not easy to use unlike ars

[sterile pike]

your bsa is trash

[rich arch]

Statistically it's working

[sterile pike]

yeah but not at long range. Awful

[rich arch]

And how is bsa trash?
M16 has one of the Lowest BSA values in existence

[unreal gale]

And I would argue sks is not meta in ranked play

[rich arch]

Yes it is

[sterile pike]

rubberised and integ harms bsa way too much.

[rich arch]

I'd make it meta
If it'd to be unbanned from comp :(

[unreal gale]

That's exactly the problem

[rich arch]

Skill issue

[unreal gale]

You're only looking at numbers on a page

[split stag]

bruh

football field is very op

[narrow glen]

@split stag, 11 Server Rank

[sterile pike]

what is bro on about

[unreal gale]

Again. Snipers have the best stats in the game from that stand point

Doesn't mean all snipers are meta

[split stag]

like you can camp it and it gives yellow attachments

[sterile pike]

statistically the kilo is on par with the LK and very versatile thereby making it meta

[rich arch]

Is good enough

[sterile pike]

the issue with this analysis is that snipers are hard to use with missed shots being extremely punishing

[unreal gale]

You're getting there.

[sterile pike]

thats not good enough for a main AR

[swift abyss]

duckie still in the server?

i thought you was getting banned for sure

[rich arch]

L

Just use it better

[unreal gale]

And now apply that same line of thought to why a gun with a bloody 15ms better potential ttk isn't used as much as the cbr who has objectively mid performance

[rich arch]

As I said
They never will

[unreal gale]

What's meta last season?

[swift abyss]

[unreal gale]

Cordite and pdw and rzb?

No. Cbr was.

[swift abyss]

nah bruh what you did with mae was wild ☠️

[sterile pike]

nah

[rich arch]

Ya
You just can't handle my m16

[rich arch]

Her problem

[sterile pike]

[rich arch]

She acting like a crack addict

[sterile pike]

what

[swift abyss]

amazing

[unreal gale]

You're literally living under some rock that you're the only person with functioning brain lol. There's a reason why people use certain guns over others

Not everyone is oblivious

[sterile pike]

bro what

[unreal gale]

You're trying to divorce pick rate from performance

[sterile pike]

so saying the kilo is meta is being oblivious?

[unreal gale]

What?

[silver sentinel]

💀

[unreal gale]

Might have to work on your reading comprehension 💀

[silver sentinel]

Just use whatever gun u wanna use damn💀

[sterile pike]

because it usually is. Pick rate is often influenced by normalcy bias and other factors which is why its differentiated.

[unreal gale]

No. People pick what's good

How should we define good?

It's how well the average player can perform with the gun

[zealous cloud]

Hmm

[unreal gale]

Precisely the reason why snipers aren't meta

[sterile pike]

no. People still use the despite it having fallen off. People still use the RPD despite there being better options

[unreal gale]

You can't just point to the 0ms ttk and claim snipers are meta and nothing else comes close

[sterile pike]

statistically how well a gun is

[unreal gale]

Who? Who tf uses the rod?

[sterile pike]

people do use it

[unreal gale]

That's a flawed definition, as I mentioned about 4 times with the sniper example

[zealous cloud]

Rpd orbit

[unreal gale]

Shipment and whatever meme lobby aside. No one uses the rod seriously

[sterile pike]

the sniper definition doesnt work cause snipers have many factors which make a lot of them not meta

[unreal gale]

So does sks

[sterile pike]

also we're comparing automatic guns

[unreal gale]

Ease of use and ease of reaching max potential is important

[sterile pike]

regardless kilo is statistically meta

[unreal gale]

More important than potential performance

[sterile pike]

both of which can be easily done with the kilo

[unreal gale]

And people pick the best effective performance guns

Not the best potential performance guns

The best effective performance guns are the meta

Not the best potential performance guns

[sterile pike]

which is what the kilo is

[unreal gale]

And no one uses the kilo bro. No one uses it

Because it's not meta

[sterile pike]

because it is

[unreal gale]

Not meta doesn't mean it's bad

It's just not meta

[sterile pike]

you're under this stupid idea that usage equals to how good a gun is

its not

you disregard stats

[unreal gale]

Smh. Because that's all that matters

People aren't stupid. Stop making false assumptions that's everyone is stupid

People pick the best gun

Why would anyone pick the 3rd best gun?

In the same category that is

[sterile pike]

going by your logic i can say the chopper or other very frequently used guns are meta when they're not

[unreal gale]

I haven't seen a chopper yet

Holger is meta. UL is close

[sterile pike]

this means usage does not equal to how good a gun is

[unreal gale]

Chopper is not used

I hope you're getting your usage stats from actual competitive lobbies too

Because idk where you got rpd as a high usage gun from

[sterile pike]

stats are all that matter and at the end of the day, the kilo is statistically the best AR's (alongside the LK)

[unreal gale]

Please jump out and look at your argument from an outsider perspective

You're basically saying people prefer worse guns for some reason?

[sterile pike]

i would suggest the same for you too

fine, lets ask a proper stats nerd @undone sandal do you think the kilo is meta or not?

[unreal gale]

Except I'm with popular opinion

You're against it

[sterile pike]

wrong ping lol

[unreal gale]

Ofc you'll ask a stat analyst lmao

On paper snipers are the best

Argus is second best

By15 slugs is broken

Why doesn't anyone consider those guns to be meta?

[sterile pike]

except they arent because of the punishment for missing a shot and bad flinch

[sterile pike]

same reason i've given you now

[unreal gale]

You can "do movement"

Your definition of meta seems to be pretty weird lol. Can you explain your definition?

[sterile pike]

@robust musk do you consider the kilo 141 to be meta?

[zealous cloud]

[unreal gale]

This could just be a Semantics issue

So you're saying its not the best gun available in the category

[sterile pike]

to me a meta gun is something that can do well at most ranges, it doesnt need to be perfect but well enough. In one word, versatility

[unreal gale]

And it's also not the most used gun

In fact the meta according to your definition doesn't even needed it be used

[unreal gale]

So then fennec isn't meta?

Nor is switchblade?

[sterile pike]

fennec is in a niche

[unreal gale]

Any gun that's not somewhat similar to an AR is just automatically not meta?

[unreal gale]

Fennec is cqc meta

[sterile pike]

switchblade can do well at mid ranges provided you hit your shots

[sterile pike]

correct

[unreal gale]

So it's meta

[sterile pike]

in close ranges only. A niche meta if you will

[robust musk]

Yes

Kilo edges out LK cus of ROF, fast paced meta kinda dominated by SMGs atm

[unreal gale]

Yet no one uses kilo

[sterile pike]

@unreal gale kalo's a pro at the game and he's played it extensively so you should take his opinion more seriously

[unreal gale]

Wdym pro at the game?

[sterile pike]

amazing at it. Knows the ins and outs of it