codm-gunsmith-help

[ruby iris]

I'd go ranger

[timber idol]

but on my build u already get 20 % dmge range which is enough

[jade rover]

But that’s one frame saved

[timber idol]

its just a assault

no need for so much long range ability

[ruby iris]

And a bit more mobility that helps when you get stuck in cqc

[timber idol]

same

[jade rover]

Barely

[timber idol]

just try both

and see what works best

@jade rover

[ruby iris]

It aight much but it's honest work

I use mono + optic

Cuz i havent bought that bp yet

[jade rover]

Same number of frames

@timber idol

Kilo is better here

[ruby iris]

Rpm?

[jade rover]

260 for LK, 270 for kilo

270 will tend to round down

I did the maths a while back

It isn’t always round up

[ruby iris]

That doc helped you huh

[jade rover]

That doc was wrong too

[ruby iris]

[jade rover]

I have the actual explanation

[ruby iris]

It IS outdated

[jade rover]

@ruby iris and the document’s probability distribution is wrong

[jade rover]

It would never have been correct

[ruby iris]

Hmm

[jade rover]

I tagged the explanation

100% sure

[subtle hemlock]

Um yall got a recommendation for aggressive obj gun

[ruby iris]

@woven hound

He wrote the doc

[jade rover]

Sure

He doesn’t have a normal distribution

[ruby iris]

Im too pea brained to read that

[subtle hemlock]

Ok thx

Currently just spamming switchblade

[ruby iris]

Like, i understand the basics, but couldnt bother to go into the detailed specifics

[subtle hemlock]

Also how do you check the top 10000 reqs

[ruby iris]

Oh, boy, he typing a text wall

._.

[narrow glen]

Araphainos#7876 has been warned

Reason: Duplicated text

[ruby iris]

[jade rover]

What

[ruby iris]

Smh

[jade rover]

Are you joking

[ruby iris]

Fuck you @narrow glen

[jade rover]

I wrote out a whole thing

@pale gulch can you fetch the comment from mod logs pls

[ruby iris]

All i know is everytime you shoot or ads or anything, tou will be sent to the shadow realm, whether you round up or down is at the mercy of server tick rate

The distribution idk

Is that a correct tl;dr?

[jade rover]

I cba to write it out again it’ll take mods two secs to get the comment. And more or less.

So let’s say 200 vs 201ms ADS time

The thing is the server has a universal clock, you aren’t measuring it by your personal clock

I explained why in that prev comment but what it means

[ruby iris]

Server tick rate, ye

[jade rover]

Is that let’s say you’re in the middle of the 574th frame of the game

201 vs 200ms ADS time will round up to the same frame

Which to your clock rounds 201ms down

Sometimes you might send the ADS request less than 1ms before a frame ends

Or the server receives the ADS request 1ms before a frame is due to end i mean; doesn’t quite work that way but still

In that case 200 and 201ms will have a different number of frames to ADS

But it’s very rare that you’ll ADS “1ms” before the next frame is due

So there’s a normal distribution based on how likely it is you’ll ADS at a point where you will need to round up a frame. Maybe you ADS “1ms” into a frame or maybe it’s with “1ms” spare, but most of the time it’s around the middle of a frame if such a thing existed

All you need to know is if you’re very close to 200ms, 216.6666ms etc then you’ll tend to round to however many frames that is. If you’re say 210ms ADS time it’s more of a coin flip.

@ruby iris

[ruby iris]

Ic

But realistically we cant notice it in a match

Plus server delay makes everything more complicated

[vernal nimbus]

Ricey

[ruby iris]

Herbo

[vernal nimbus]

What

I have your version of cod now

[ruby iris]

Hold on

I'll play later

Maybe in an hour

Busy rn

[jade rover]

The tldr is just if it’s close to 200, 216.66 etc ms then it’ll round to that. If not it’s more of a coin flip. That’s all we need to know

Ez

[ruby iris]

Does it round down if you have like 200.01

[undone sandal]

0.01 ms

there's like no mobile device that can display that

[high rapids]

Gimme a good ak117 snd build

[jade rover]

The ms isn’t a real thing, it’s just when the server processes a request to the game

Genuine long shot relevance

You get an extra 2m roughly

But it’s 2m at important ranges and I’d rather that than gran

Combat stock makes recoil too much considering you can’t miss shots due to firerate

Eh actually

Gran is better lol

Ignore that

[ruby iris]

Why not combat + marksman

Shit load of range

[jade rover]

Lemme check

And mono?

[ruby iris]

And still somewhat fast

[ruby iris]

Ye

[jade rover]

296ms ads time

Just seems too much when the horizontal recoil is bad

[ruby iris]

It isnt bad

It's like fa fg krig

[jade rover]

It’s like krig

Ye

[ruby iris]

The lower vert just makes it looks bad

[jade rover]

It’s not pull down recoil

Which is just bad imo

[ruby iris]

It is, cuz most of the time, the enemy would be dead before lateral recoil kicks in

[jade rover]

Hmm

Recoil appears to kick in after about 10 shots so I guess

Against headglitchers you’re toast though

[ruby iris]

Usually a 4 shot kill, 5 at most if you hit legs

[jade rover]

I used it a lot at ~9700 XP last season but post buff update

[ruby iris]

Yes and no, i've use it for like 1.5 years

But ye, recoil might be a bit jarring if you're not used to it

[jade rover]

I’m sure having used it that it’s hard to get headglitchers before recoil begins to kick

Horizontal recoil always sucks

When it kicks in

[vernal nimbus]

Horizontal recoil is ez

[jade rover]

I’m so pissed I didn’t get 10k XP

Should have grinded more

[jade rover]

Although I never used marksman

And without marksman it kicks in at about 5-6 shots. So maybe that’s why I had issues with horizontal recoil

@ruby iris what’s your build?

[ruby iris]

This is what i use personally, but you can swap mip light for marksman for passive play

[jade rover]

I ran that but gran for combat

[acoustic jewel]

I don’t even use HVK

Not one of my favorite weapons

[ruby iris]

You missing out on a lot of fun

[acoustic jewel]

How so

[vernal nimbus]

Its not fun knowing your gun is just all around better than everyone elses

[jade rover]

Tbh combat looks better it usually saves two frames vs gran (218 vs 249ms)

HVK just feels like a better Krig now

[ruby iris]

You can mobility stack and still get amazing range performance

3 shot up close

[acoustic jewel]

Don’t think I still have large caliber

[ruby iris]

4 shot to infinity

[jade rover]

And it’s really consistent 3 shot too

[acoustic jewel]

Yeah, I’m picky on my attachments

[jade rover]

Krig isn’t

[ruby iris]

If you dont hit legs

[jade rover]

It’s the best AR in the game rn probs

Imo anyway

Also legendary is worth it

The irons are super clean

[acoustic jewel]

You can’t be serious with that

[jade rover]

Wym

Normal irons are good for HVK

But look at this

[acoustic jewel]

Never really care for iron sights much

Some people say some variants are paid to win. I disagree

[jade rover]

Idk why video quality is ass

[ruby iris]

Consistent 3sk up to 17m with mobility stack

[broken rapids]

Thoughts on the lapa with irons?

[ruby iris]

Discord compression:

[jade rover]

Oh right

I guess my vid was long

🗑️ @broken rapids

LAPA you absolutely need legendary or rds

Those irons are horrendous

[broken rapids]

Seeing everyone complaining but it reminds me of the base mp5 irons mixed with the t25

I kinda like it

[clear ore]

[broken rapids]

Guess I'll have to try in ranked

[near zenith]

dam prop hunt easiest way to get bp xp

[jade rover]

Do you have munitions box?

It’s really good

[near zenith]

jsut sit in game afk and i got to tier 14

[jade rover]

Especially for objective gamemodes

Pseudo-C4 plus ammo so you can run quick fix/toughness

Kinda necessary for HVK with large calibre mag too

Also just sharing my hardpoint build

Imo it can’t be improved

[woven hound]

It's not really probability distribution
It's monkey brain shit lol

[jade rover]

It is

[woven hound]

Nd do tell

Where i went wrong

[broken rapids]

Just realized it's prolly cuz my brightness is high enough to blind someone

[jade rover]

It’s not your maths

It’s the interpretation

[woven hound]

I don't think I'm wrong
Unless u can prove me wrong

Just dnt really ping me

[jade rover]

^ also I didn’t ping

[ruby iris]

As an optic user, i'd disagree, lapa irons is fine for it's job, it just looks so obnoxious i have to use an optic

[jade rover]

You are wrong though. Not the maths

[keen gazelle]

people fail to realize that you dont need need need to look thru the irons

[woven hound]

What does this have to do with what i found out?

And i proved my samples with practical verification

[jade rover]

You’re taking it in isolation - just looking at ADS time in ms and number of frames

Model is wrong tho

[woven hound]

Cus that was what it was about

[jade rover]

There’s no way you can read it that fast

I explained it all clearly

[woven hound]

I can lol?

[jade rover]

Ok then you get it then

You were looking at ads time and time for a frames based on 60FPS

But that’s it

When you also need to consider it’s the server’s frame that matters

[woven hound]

What i simply proved
Was that the ttk numbers are based on the probability of getting the upper frame or the lower frame ttk

Nothing more
Nothing less.and i did prove that practically

[jade rover]

Distribution is incorrect

It necessarily needs to be normal

I’m sure it approximates it well enough tho

[woven hound]

Uk i measured ttks manually

Lol

And u can't accurately math it out

I gave reasons for thay

[jade rover]

You can math it out

You can’t reliably know how many frames you’ll take

[woven hound]

Aight bro
Math the bizon out then

[jade rover]

But you can know the probability

[woven hound]

No shit lol

[jade rover]

If you really want me to calculate SD then gimme a bit

[woven hound]

With a big enuff sample size

[ruby iris]

Me watching 2 ppl arguing about math in a mobile game

[jade rover]

Look we both think we’re right but you’re wrong

[ruby iris]

[woven hound]

I don't see the relevance

[woven hound]

And i have no issues

[jade rover]

It needs to be a normal distribution

[woven hound]

Think what u want
If u can prove it
Ping me

[jade rover]

I explained why it needs to be normal

[woven hound]

Cus u can predict anything with a big enuff sample size

[jade rover]

What’s your issue with the explanation

[woven hound]

I wrote measurings
Literal manually verified and checked measurings

[jade rover]

Ok

[woven hound]

The bizon doens't always kill in the upper or lower frames

[jade rover]

You approximated a normal distribution

[nova spade]

em2 for ranked?

[jade rover]

But fact is it MUST follow a normal distribution

[jade rover]

Good

[woven hound]

Yea
Do u realise the purpose of the document was to tell people u don't kill in like 270ms

[keen gazelle]

who does a better job at looking like a jug

[ruby iris]

Agency supp, taskforce barrel, agile stock, sturdy tape, 30r

Also hi godlike

[jade rover]

I mean sure all I was saying is your reasoning was wrong

[nova spade]

i’m asking for the build

[woven hound]

And then i had 2 examples for cases where u can accurately predict the ttk
And cases where u can't

[nova spade]

thanks bro, how you been

[keen gazelle]

i saw this merc skin thats super beefy and im tryna find beefy skins to fit a juggernaut type loadout

[woven hound]

Aight lol

[ruby iris]

Velikan imo

[jade rover]

Because it needs to be normal

[woven hound]

Dogshit

[jade rover]

How

That’s not true

[keen gazelle]

anybody know of the merc skin in talkin about

[woven hound]

Cus it's dogshit?
Does dogshit need elaboration?

[ruby iris]

Dude asking for a build, not opinion on a gun

[jade rover]

If it’s wrong 😑

EM2 is a very solid gun

[woven hound]

Normal as in only 2 frames poo?

[woven hound]

He did ask for an opinion

Oh nvmnd

[jade rover]

Wdym

You know what normal is right

[ruby iris]

Very nice

[woven hound]

Yea

[jade rover]

Kk

[woven hound]

The data will near the ttk will obviously be more frequent

[jade rover]

It needs to follow a normal distribution as to at what point the server receives your ADS request - let’s just assume no ping

[woven hound]

And i used 60 bullets
It's. Asmall sample size
In a bigger size
We'd see it

[jade rover]

If you and someone else have ADS time of 100 and 105ms respectively and server receives them at the same time.

[woven hound]

Why tf wud i care about their ads time

Bro do u seriously have issues lol

[jade rover]

I think this is a maths skill issue on your end

[woven hound]

Think what u want

If u can prove it
Ping me

Bbye

[jade rover]

Do I be petty and spend the time to prove it idk

[woven hound]

Obviously

?

I'd entertain it

[jade rover]

I might use your data I guess

Saves me time

[woven hound]

Use what u want

[jade rover]

Kk sometime this week I’ll ping you

The maths is easy won’t take long

[woven hound]

Aight

[ruby iris]

We done?

[jade rover]

What was your degree btw

[astral bridge]

Fennec build plss for Br

[ruby iris]

Damn, that was good entertainment

[jade rover]

Drae

[jade rover]

And he leaves now lmao

[woven hound]

First year law

[jade rover]

Oh maybe not

[jade rover]

Yeah I studied physics

👍 ttyl

[ruby iris]

[woven hound]

Ttyl lol

[astral bridge]

Thank u

[woven hound]

Bachelors in physics?
Or just engineering or somin

[jade rover]

One of the best unis in the UK for STEM 👌

And just physics

[undone sandal]

hello @woven hound

[woven hound]

Fair lol
I wudnt really mind being wrong to u then
But still interested
And not convinced

[woven hound]

Sup

[ruby iris]

@vernal nimbus

[undone sandal]

[ruby iris]

Cmere and clap my ass

[undone sandal]

stimshots looking pretty funny

on how dumb snd is gonna be

[ruby iris]

Funnier

[undone sandal]

5 sec stun moment

[ruby iris]

Is it 5 or 6?

[undone sandal]

i measured it before

it was mid 5

[ruby iris]

Oh boy, more rounding

[undone sandal]

let me find

its exact 6

[rich arch]

Drh build?

[stray rapids]

Are they holding pkms

[stray rapids]

Mono
Ranger barel
No stock
Tac laser
25 Otm mag

[rich arch]

Alr thx mate

[stray rapids]

👍

[jade rover]

Is there any reason to use the katana now?

With the melee range being the same for all

Idk why they did that

[brazen cloak]

aesthetic

[plain rune]

I like the axe and bat

[ruby iris]

Sup goomb

[brazen cloak]

Hello

[jade rover]

Bat?

[plain rune]

yea

[jade rover]

Bat is awful

[brazen cloak]

@jade rover question

[jade rover]

Go on

[brazen cloak]

so with the ttk measurements

wouldnt u think it’d be better to minimize the amount of variables u include?

[plain rune]

that's only how you use it

[jade rover]

What variables do I have?

The only variable is action duration, so ADS time is one example

That’s it

[undone sandal]

hello @brazen cloak

[jade rover]

Game is 60 FPS otherwise

[stray rapids]

Why all these people coming here

[brazen cloak]

Heya

[stray rapids]

Hi @brazen cloak

[brazen cloak]

[brazen cloak]

And wdym by action duration

[jade rover]

How long something takes

[brazen cloak]

ur factoring in sprint to fire, game ticks, fps etc etc?

[jade rover]

Why would I factor in StF

[stray rapids]

Sometimes it doesn't really matter, if the player likes to pre aim

[stray rapids]

There's a sprint to ads

[jade rover]

It’s just a general thing

[stray rapids]

Too

[jade rover]

I know

[undone sandal]

you don't factor in ads time to ttk tho

[jade rover]

I wasn’t saying anything about ttk specifically

[stray rapids]

@undone sandal can u play in 20 minutes or so

[jade rover]

It’s anything that takes time during the game

[stray rapids]

My friend wants to play

[brazen cloak]

@undone sandal cos so remember last year

[undone sandal]

eh

[brazen cloak]

when the others tried to calculate practical ttk

like what real ttk was

[jade rover]

It’s probabilistic

[undone sandal]

frame by frame ye

[jade rover]

But for all intents and purposes

If it’s near 100, 116.6666ms etc then it will round to that most of the time

[undone sandal]

practical ttk is hard to calculate
bc you go frame by frame

[jade rover]

If it’s more in between it’s more of a coin toss

[brazen cloak]

yeah and how do u aim to do that tho

[jade rover]

Calculate the standard deviation, create a normal distribution

[brazen cloak]

u also have alot of other factors to it than just ads’ing and shooting a bot to see how fast rhey die in a frame by frame

[jade rover]

Which is very easy to do with data

[undone sandal]

you forgot to imply that the sample size is big enough

[brazen cloak]

welp all i got to say is since i never really bothered to test shit

[jade rover]

All that matters is: what time period does the server feed so to speak to the engine running at 60 Frames/sec.

[brazen cloak]

is i wish u the best of luck in trying to map practical ttk @jade rover

cause tbh noones really done it before

[jade rover]

I’ll make a template and then others can enter their data

I cba to measure myself

[undone sandal]

tbf its easier to just use theoretical ttk than do more shit to do practical ttk

[jade rover]

It will show what the odds are of something taking n number of frames

[jade rover]

Yeah

[undone sandal]

only main difference you will get is slight alterations in frames

[jade rover]

You could just enter the theoretical ttk

If it really is say 210ms when it says it is and not 210.4 or whatever

Then it will work without testing - testing would be useful to verify but that’s it

[undone sandal]

theres no decimals to ms

in codm

[jade rover]

Sure but maybe the server does idk

And doesn’t display that in game

[undone sandal]

which gets rounded to a frame

[jade rover]

Yes

But 102 and 102.1 ms would round up or down ever so slightly differently

[undone sandal]

in short
stop trying to calc practical ttk if the result is mostly the same as theoretical ttk

all u need to get theoretical ttk is

• stk
• rpm
• bv

practical ttk is that but with more factors

[brazen cloak]

well thats a fair point aswell

this was my initial thinking on the subject aswell

if the standard deviation between proper practical ttk with large datasets and just theoretical ttk is negligible

then whats the point and why would dræ1 be necessarily wrong

[undone sandal]

[brazen cloak]

bro got d13 sector diamond camo’d

damn thats cbt

[undone sandal]

like i can understand if something like bv in comp stats has a significant difference with practical testing

then go with practical

[undone sandal]

[rich arch]

Rip 💀

[stray rapids]

@undone sandal

Let's goe

D13 fight

Wait no

Crossbow

[undone sandal]

boo

[rich arch]

😂

[undone sandal]

u gonna do the gas + thermite shit again

[stray rapids]

Ok d13

[rich arch]

WW1 but modern edition

[undone sandal]

I cant play rn

[stray rapids]

Ee ain't that scum

We*

🙂

[summer nebula]

Anyone have koshka build for fast ads?

[summer nebula]

Thanks

[rich arch]

Dragunov : another weapon with a copy of ak 47

[fresh sage]

literally

[minor dragon]

except the dragunov shares nothing in common with the AK

[rich arch]

[jade rover]

@ruby iris @undone sandal do you have the document with his data?

[brazen cloak]

thoughts? @jade rover

[jade rover]

I’m working on that

[rich arch]

@ruby iris hbr

[jade rover]

Well ping me whenever, I’ll make a template to calculate from a truncated normal distribution how many frames something will take to happen in-game based on its duration as stated in ms

[undone sandal]

wasn't it already sent before

[jade rover]

I can’t find it

You said you found the PDF but it’s gone

[cunning rapids]

What pdf

[jade rover]

I’m doing maths for frame pedants

Basically what’s the probability say something that takes 105ms will be either 6 or 7 frames

That was a bad autocorrect: pedants not perverts

[undone sandal]

ya i didn't download it

[humble sand]

@cunning rapids did you check your in-game mailbox today ? Anything

[jade rover]

Thanks

[cunning rapids]

Lemme check

[jade rover]

Very nice

[cunning rapids]

Nothing

Only seasonal rewards and clan thing

[jade rover]

Without truncation I get the right results based on his data but I need to truncate for it to be spot-on

[cunning rapids]

that I claimed yesterday

[rich arch]

Recommend me a SMG or AR for HP.

Mac 10

Mac10?

Jak² cool?

yes

Ahhh Alr cool

[jade rover]

So with the data here he has bullet interval for HVK of 84.5ms. Subtract from that 83.3333ms as that’s how long it took to reach the previous frame.

[ruby iris]

Ping him?

[shut stag]

Wtf am I reading

Did I just enter math class

[jade rover]

@ruby iris it isn’t 100% correct as it’s not truncated. That’s a tiny bit more mathsy and might do later

[ruby iris]

Average #codm-gunsmith-help chat

[shut stag]

I'm never in here so this is just weird.

💀

[jade rover]

Im gonna keep this here but for small values this isn’t very good, double checked

I need to fucking truncate it

[ruby iris]

It's 50% dumbass builds and 50% theorycrafting on how frame rounding works

[jade rover]

Usually you don’t need to truncate

As it’s close enough anyway

But here you need to truncate

[shut stag]

I usually scroll through #codm-gunsmith-builds and laugh or cry

[jade rover]

Ignore the prev comment I’ll post the truncated version later but I’ve forgotten how to do that

Nevermind!!

Minor correction only

REFERENCE (non-truncated, so slightly incorrect): With Standard Deviation = 28.6744, calculate Cumulative Distributive Function using Mean = 8.33333 and x = [duration]-[duration to complete all preceding frames]. There are calculators online where you just enter these values. The value for this function ranges from 0 to 1: the value is the probability of rounding up a frame.

[twilit hazel]

what smg should i get gold

[ruby iris]

All if possible

[twilit hazel]

i know that

idk which smg to get gold next

[ruby iris]

Just do randomize ig

[twilit hazel]

how do i do that

[fiery grove]

@ruby iris drh?

[jade rover]

@woven hound

Ah one sec

Lemme change standard deviation idk how I missed that

[umbral forge]

Hello pwede po makahingi ng attachment ng ak 47 for Br po hehe thanks

[rich arch]

Can I switch the mag for 30 OTM?

[ruby iris]

Ye

[reef lantern]

Ul736 build?

[rich arch]

Thanks

[inland furnace]

Type 25 build?

[rich arch]

Lore wise stuff

Same girl

But different body

[stray rapids]

??

[plush socket]

Wsup i am an returning player what is the meta rn ??

[magic portal]

Bizon in all ranges

[plush socket]

Can i get the build ?

[magic portal]

Although my advice for BR is just don't play it because everyone seems to like using concussion grenades

[plush socket]

I play mp

Or ranked

[magic portal]

And in case you are wondering why someone thought it was a good idea to put concussion grenades into the dlq

[plush socket]

Nah man i just want bizon build ty

[magic portal]

Mono
No stock
Tac laser
Marksman barrel
Gran grip tape

[plush socket]

Is m13 good cuz when i played it was rlly rlly good

Ty

[ruby iris]

Easy to use

That's it

[jade rover]

Okay I finally dunnit

Was hard to figure how to get the correct standard deviation

[ruby iris]

More theorycrafting

[rich arch]

Why you so active

[rich arch]

kilo better

[ruby iris]

?

[rich arch]

Every time I come online your one of the people talking in chat

[ruby iris]

I cant talk in a public server now huh

[rich arch]

Nah bro your just extremely active

[ruby iris]

Cuz i check my phone for replies

[rich arch]

oh

[quartz linden]

Guys how about dingo

Its good or bad?

[ruby iris]

Average

[rich arch]

wtf is a dingo

[ruby iris]

New lmg

[quartz linden]

New LMG

[rich arch]

is that a P2W gun

[quartz linden]

You can see in Battle Royal

[rich arch]

oh

[ruby iris]

Tf you mean p2w?

[rich arch]

Idk does it cost money

[quartz linden]

I don't think so

[rich arch]

oh

[jade rover]

Server updates 12 times a second, so each time the server registers something, 5 frames pass. That actually gives the standard deviation of 28.4637 based on the time in ms for each of the 5 frames. You then take the CDF using that, 8.33333 as the mean (average time difference between action and frame duration), and x is your excess over the previous frame in ms. Get the cumulative distribution function, then subtract 0.3848, multiply by 100, subtract that number from 100 and you have the percentage odds that you will frame round up.

@jade rover Ref.

[jade rover]

I’m locking that in final answer

[rich arch]

why

[ruby iris]

Ofc not

[rich arch]

bro you talkin like light yagami

calculating the air pressure in the room and sh

[ruby iris]

No?

That's codm math

[rich arch]

yeah

[ruby iris]

[shut pivot]

guys which mag use? less fire interval or fast ads?

[rich arch]

Codm math crazy bro

[rich arch]

pong knows

[ruby iris]

Use mag a

[quartz linden]

Mag A in BR
Mag G in MP

[rich arch]

what’s the best MP gun

[ruby iris]

Call me rice

[quartz linden]

Sorry I mean Mag B

[rich arch]

na I call you pong

pong sounds better

[ruby iris]

[stray rapids]

Both mags good in mp

[rich arch]

some people saying TAK 5 is good

[ruby iris]

Depends

[rich arch]

What’s a good build for it

[rich arch]

I play ranked and I sweat 24 7

What’s good

[ruby iris]

That's an operator skill

[rich arch]

oh

[ruby iris]

Fennec, krig, hvk, zrg, xpr, by15

[rich arch]

I use kilo

[ruby iris]

Prolly more im too lazy to name

[rich arch]

What do you use

[shut pivot]

kilo n krig are prob best mythics

least recoil

[rich arch]

Better then kilo?

[ruby iris]

Depends

[rich arch]

Bro

How does it kill so fast

[ruby iris]

It has better range and shots to kill, but less mag

[rich arch]

I don’t care about mag

Well then you're good

[shut pivot]

my weirdest build LOL

[rich arch]

Ima test it

[rich arch]

looks P2W

[rich arch]

Well tbh from my own experience I did need to reload alot

[shut pivot]

I added bipod just for the looks lmfao

[rich arch]

Bruh

[ruby iris]

Noone cares about mag until they run out of ammo 20 seconds into the match

[rich arch]

Reloading is fine

[rich arch]

lol

Not after like every gunfight

And i agree with you on the point that hvk really is good

Can’t you just like

collect there body’s

and get ammo from that

Bruhhhhhh

We're talking about mag

Not reserve ammo

doesn’t the green thing give you ammo

oh

So how much it shoots before reload?

[lean frost]

29

[ruby iris]

You need quickfix at higher ranks, incase you meet 2 or more ppl

[rich arch]

Bro who tf is gonna sacrifice their most vital perk like cold blooded or quick fix for that?

[ruby iris]

It shoots as fast as kilo, but you have 29 rounds a mag

[rich arch]

29 bullets

[ruby iris]

Him prolly

[lean frost]

reminder to not use these stats

[rich arch]

@ruby iris

[ruby iris]

[lean frost]

Snd players using hard wired instead

[ruby iris]

Significantly improved btw

Old hvk shoots as fast as holger

But 24r per mag

[lean frost]

Me when less then stock aug

[ruby iris]

24r 710 rpm

Very pog yes

Also 4.9 bsa

So you gotta kill ppl before taper runs out

[shut pivot]

looks goofy but range is godly I swear

[ruby iris]

Stipple

[shut pivot]

Ima change it

which perk should I use

[ruby iris]

Stipple to gran

Mono to tac supp

[shut pivot]

ight thx

[rich arch]

@ruby iris so mono isn't worth it right?

[ruby iris]

On p90, no

It's usable on an aggressive build

But usually you dont use it

[shut pivot]

marksman or light barrle

[ruby iris]

Light stock + mono

[shut pivot]

barrel?

Ima stick to no stock

[ruby iris]

No barrel

[shut pivot]

sure bout that

[ruby iris]

Ye

[shut pivot]

does the mono supp really make a difference even the sound is similar without it

it just doubles the ads

[lean frost]

doubles is a overstatement

[lean frost]

It hides u off minimap+range boodt

[shut pivot]

barrel is important imo

[lean frost]

Maybe it's about 1-2 frame

[lean frost]

On qxr,. No

[shut pivot]

this my top 5 leggies

one of the best drops

[reef lantern]

Br kilo?

[ruby iris]

Why?

[reef lantern]

Why what

[ruby iris]

There are better options

[reef lantern]

Such as?

[ruby iris]

Lk for beam

Amax for general uses

[reef lantern]

Okie

[shut pivot]

use this barrel? 90+ bullet speed but so much ads

[ruby iris]

Use taskforce barrel

[shut pivot]

yeah no wonder I hated that ads

[reef lantern]

Can I get that pls

[ruby iris]

Need optic?

[reef lantern]

Preferably, but doesn’t rlly matter to me

[ruby iris]

Mono, marksman, optic, 50r mag, tac laser/gran tape

You can use ranger barrel too if you want some mobility

[reef lantern]

Thank you

[shut pivot]

realised tough perk is quite useless

either long shot or fmj

[ruby iris]

Perk should be secondary choice

Unless you got nothing else to put on

[shut pivot]

owc laser good right

I used to not use it cause the laser is annoying

[ruby iris]

Yes

[shut pivot]

I always care bout ads first

[ruby iris]

Not a good idea tbh, you can hide laser by aim into walls then flick out

[shut pivot]

its worst in ranked enemies can easily see u

[ruby iris]

It provides ads speed and bsa, so i'd argue that it's one of the most efficient attachments in the game

[shut pivot]

when I gotta hardscope a bit tho in snd the laser just shows

[ruby iris]

Aim into a wall nearby to hide your laser, then flick out as enemies passes by

[shut pivot]

yea I been on that shi

[ruby iris]

On snipers just dont use lasers, they dont help much

[shut pivot]

I just stick to kilo n cbr for ranked

[ruby iris]

Ye, use laser on them

Anyways, i go to sleep

Bai

[shut pivot]

🙏

[unreal gale]

Strongly recommend against this. Reaction time, flicking accuracy, movement stuff up all factor in. Not at worth the extra bit of ads speed and bsa you get from it. Fact is, Hardscoping is op.

[frigid lotus]

is the sks a solid gun today?

[unreal gale]

Yes, great if you can aim whilst spam clicking

Gun has different handling to other guns, but if you can cope with it, it'll be great

Oh, and don't use the bp skin. Aim shake is atrocious

[stray rapids]

I just realised that i have a pretty strange coping mechanism

When scanning for enemies i always aim pretty low, not looking through ironsights

Useful when guns like m16

Then flick when enemies appead

Idk if yall do this too

[unreal gale]

Much better if you just hardscope where you expect enemies to come from

Minimal reaction time, aim time and no need to flick, which is inherently inconsistent

[stray rapids]

I think if i use red dot

[unreal gale]

What

Just cut out some words which were unnecessary

[inland furnace]

best rus-79u gunsmith ?

[unreal gale]

@rich arch

[fresh sage]

mono supp
light short barrel
38 ext mag
no stock
tac laser

[unreal gale]

I personally wouldn't use the rus unless you really like it. Gun is quite average

[inland furnace]

yea ik im js tryna get all my guns diamond

[unreal gale]

Ah right

[inland furnace]

what ext mag ?

[stray rapids]

38 fast, 50 is gud

Any is fine

[rich arch]

50rnd

[rich arch]

and skeleton stock

more strafe

less punishment

[golden adder]

I AM HIM

[fresh sage]

well old ass build anyway

[golden adder]

How dis doe

[fresh sage]

fa fgp to agency supp

since pkp recoil aint bad

[rich arch]

50rnd
light short barrel
skeleton stock
tac laser
mono

[unreal gale]

That grip boosts bsa.

[golden adder]

How's this

[unreal gale]

But yeah, agency suppressor.

[fresh sage]

since when damn?

[golden adder]

What's bss

[unreal gale]

Nvm I'm wrong

[golden adder]

Bsa

[unreal gale]

Thought it was a strike foregrip

[fresh sage]

bullet spread accuracy

[golden adder]

Oh

[unreal gale]

I'd say it's fine, but you do need to have a suppressor

[frigid lotus]

why cant i post pictures?

[fresh sage]

mono to light short barrel and sight is preferable to be gran tape

[unreal gale]

Switch out the grip tape for a suppressor if you like grips as much as me, but otherwise switch out the grip

[fresh sage]

m13 is a smg in an assault rifle body

[golden adder]

But the range, who will stand for the range!

[unreal gale]

You don't need a suppressor since the mag already suppresses

[fresh sage]

tbf the m13 aint really build for range

[unreal gale]

You can use the heavy long barrel if you want

But mono is a waste

[keen dove]

hey guyss .... just joined the server ... what are we on rn

[golden adder]

Alright

[rich arch]

mid
the double stack already gives silence
i would go for 60rnd

[shut pivot]

yes for zombie😭

I used to in mp

does granulated grip really improve accuracy?

[shut pivot]

so laser or stippled grip?

[dapper laurel]

At long range it improves the accuracy by increasing the chance bullets land where you aim them.

[jade rover]

Why don’t more people use crossbow?

It’s actually not bad for objective stuff

I run crossbow and two stormballs for hardpoint

One stormball is a bit crap so nobody uses it but with tactician, having two of them down can be amazing

[rich arch]

What’s the best AK117 gunsmith ?

[grim heart]

Thoughts about these suppressed and unsuppressed builds?

[dapper laurel]

These aren’t good Type 25 builds. No SP rounds and bad BSA.

[grim heart]

SP was nerfed a long time ago

It’s also in the first build

That’s why there’s 2 builds

[dapper laurel]

Still worth it over standard. The other mags do less damage at mid range. Also all of them have terrible BSA.

[grim heart]

Lil bro the mag is right there

[dapper laurel]

You should switch out light stock or short barrel for granulated to compensate for BSA nerf.

[dapper laurel]

I use mono, steady stock, granulated, tac laser, and SP rounds.

[grim heart]

Steady stock??

Bruh

Realized no SP on 2nd ss

My b

[dapper laurel]

Yep. Type 25 had a 15% hit flinch nerf and 20% BSA nerf. Have to compensate to make it usable at mid range.

[jade rover]

Type 25 kinda feels worthless now with HVK

Even if fire rate is wildly different

They’re both able to be AR-SMGs

[dapper laurel]

Well Type 25 is a bit easier to use at close range due to faster ADS time and RPM.

[jade rover]

I bet TTK is still slower than HVK unless it can three shot and I’ve forgotten that

So don’t see the point

[shut pivot]

whats rpm

[jade rover]

Krig and HVK deserves nerfs tbh

Rounds per minute

But fire interval is more helpful - same thing ofc

[dapper laurel]

No, it’s faster than HVK unless 3 shot.

[dapper laurel]

Rounds per minute.

[jade rover]

HVK almost always gets 3-shots up close

You have to aim like a spazz to not get 3HK up close

I think Krig should get a BV nerf, HVK a range nerf, CBR-4 an ADS nerf and all will be well

Those three guns are too strong

[shut pivot]

yeah krig will def get a nerf

[dapper laurel]

Nah, CBR4 is goated.

[jade rover]

Which is why it should be nerfed a bit

Give it 20ms more ADS time

[shut pivot]

krig should get recoil/range neef

r

[jade rover]

Just BV imo

Recoil nerf would make it quite hard to use if it’s to have any effect at all

Because of horizontal recoil

[shut pivot]

they should a lil more recoil to it

[jade rover]

Nah

Just BV would be enough

[cunning rapids]

ew a crossbow first draw

[dapper laurel]

Nah, it’s balanced. The multipliers make it not as good as prime CBR4.

[shut pivot]

whats bv

[cunning rapids]

I was tryna see if I got koshka leggy first try or smth good

[shut pivot]

sry

[sudden iron]

Layout I use as a sniper, I'm testing and searching for changes

[jade rover]

I just used crossbow for the first time after drawing it and I still don’t get why it’s not used for obj matches

[dapper laurel]

Bullet velocity.

[jade rover]

Hardpoint you can just gas their team or use the Semtex one with that perk which buffs explosives

[dapper laurel]

I use C4. C4 blast radius is insane.

[jade rover]

Gas > but recently explosives got buffed

[shut pivot]

will krig mythic come back soon?

[jade rover]

That’s not a secondary though

[jade rover]

Nope.

[shut pivot]

Im begging for a redux within few months

[dapper laurel]

You said symtex in hardpoint. I use C4 in HP.

[jade rover]

Not gonna happen

[shut pivot]

fuck!

[jade rover]

The crossbow has a bolt with Semtex in it

[jade rover]

It’s usually a year until they redux

Only ever been one exception to that

(Amoeba)

So yeah it isn’t coming back soon

[shut pivot]

more ppl should beg for krig then

[grim heart]

C4 takes too long to throw, a downside to people that play with trophies

Good for SnD

[dapper laurel]

In SND, lots of people use it.

[jade rover]

C4 is an SnD secondary only imo

Ye

It’s busted in SnD

Otherwise I’d rather toss a Molotov and gtfo if it’s for an objective

[shut pivot]

the good shi only drops during my broke era its tuff

[dapper laurel]

C4 is the bane of SND. I use flak jacket to counter it.

[jade rover]

Saves you from wasting it 😉

[shut pivot]

aH

[jade rover]

Also it’ll inevitably get a nerf soon

[dapper laurel]

I hate C4 campers that camp a corner with C4.

[frozen sand]

Abeg make person share legendary gun for me na

[jade rover]

They’ll see how gun changes they just did affect things then nerf it somehow

[shut pivot]

nah but the krig isnt a waste at all I need it badly

[jade rover]

Best mythic is Demonsong

[shut pivot]

I dream of it ebery night

[jade rover]

I got it third try

[jade rover]

Krig is a better gun, but Demonsong will always be top tier

[shut pivot]

yeah demonsong vs krig

[jade rover]

Krig with a nerf might lose relevance

[frozen sand]

Share gun for@me na

[jade rover]

Just pick it up from someone who dies

Play SnD for a higher chance to find it if you’re low on ranked MP

[frozen sand]

But it won’t be in my load out na

[jade rover]

I can’t share it in your loadout anyway I don’t believe

[dapper laurel]

Krig 6 IMO looks cleaner.

[frozen sand]

Which snD do you mean

[jade rover]

It’s deffo not as clean and has mad tracers but the gun is better

But when the nerf comes it wont be the same

[shut pivot]

they say they nerfed switchblade but the mythic is still op it barely does shit tbh

[jade rover]

Kilo has been S tier for like a year

[dapper laurel]

Not really. Kilo 141 got a range nerf and mobility nerf after a few seasons it was released yet it still is top 5 ARs.

Krig 6 probably will still have the same status if it’s nerfed.

[jade rover]

I disagree

Krig has some bigger drawbacks that could get hit

[shut pivot]

kilo is def gaining more value now

[jade rover]

Kilo is just all around consistent

[shut pivot]

its really a tie between kilo and krig

[jade rover]

If Krig gets a BV or recoil nerf it’ll be significantly worse

[jade rover]

Krig is better

As much as it pains me to say

[shut pivot]

thought ya said kilo

[jade rover]

No

Kilo is a better mythic to own

Because that gun is never going to lose relevance

[shut pivot]

since I own kilo ima go for kilo

[jade rover]

Krig has some stuff which with a nerf would limit the gun a lot

[unreal gale]

For what gun

[shut pivot]

demonsong

[jade rover]

You’ll have to wait a year for kilo mythic lol

[unreal gale]

What demon

[shut pivot]

song

[unreal gale]

You mean kilo

Kilo I'd go with tac laser

[shut pivot]

wait I read ur ping wrong

[jade rover]

What

[dapper laurel]

No, I believe it’ll be moved back to M13 tier if it’s nerfed. Top tier viable IMO.

[jade rover]

I guess

But you get what I mean

[shut pivot]

I alr got em

[unreal gale]

Try tactical suppressor, marksman barrel, no stock, laser, mag

[jade rover]

Nice

[unreal gale]

Or the more versatile mono, no stock, laser, mag, gran

[dapper laurel]

That’s my campy build I use for SND.

[jade rover]

Nvm I thought tac laser was the hipfire one

[shut pivot]

lava camo is a perfect match

[jade rover]

Was wondering why anyone would choose that

[dapper laurel]

Hipfire laser for guns like Femnec.

[jade rover]

Yeah I mean for kilo. I use it for my LAPA

[unreal gale]

it's the old stability meta

still super popular

[unreal gale]

switch mono for tactical suppressor

[jade rover]

Rich boi

Lol

Weird build too

[jade rover]

I like mono

[unreal gale]

it's the old aggressive build with more range I guess

[shut pivot]

🤣🤣

[jade rover]

Range > keeping some bullet spread

[unreal gale]

unnecessary range and slower ads and worse bsa for no reason

[jade rover]

Range isn’t unnecessary

[shut pivot]

I sometimes put the worst build on purpose to share em

[unreal gale]

its unnecessary

[jade rover]

Why

[shut pivot]

to troll them

[unreal gale]

marksman is sufficient

[jade rover]

I disagree

It can be

[unreal gale]

no

[jade rover]

But range also has its place

[unreal gale]

it is, for 99% of the gunfights

you don't need to stack extra range. Gun fights don't go that far unless you're playing br

[jade rover]

You save exactly one frame

With tac supp. BSA is still good and the range is significantly better with mono

[unreal gale]

36 as opposed to 31

gun fights don't go to 30

[jade rover]

😐

If you play very aggro then sure

But there’s better guns than kilo for that

[unreal gale]

you're joking me. you think 30 is aggro range?

[jade rover]

No

But for an AR, playing aggro, you might sometimes stretch for 30

[unreal gale]

80% of the gunfights happen within 20

[shut pivot]

wait isnt your ads bad like this I was thinking changing like this

[jade rover]

Kilo has a bad TTK so why use it within 20

[unreal gale]

unless you're playing crossfire pubs I guess

[unreal gale]

I use krig. But that's besides the point

[jade rover]

It’s one frame more than 250ms put it like that

[unreal gale]

just because there exists a better gun for 0-20 doesn't mean you max range

that's not how it works

[shut pivot]

it looks like my ex build

[jade rover]

I agree but also for kilo just play it like COD MW2 ACR

It isn’t suited for sub-20m

So why build it not like a traditional AR

Doesn’t make any sense

Also for all that range you sacrifice one frame and a tiny bit of BSA (17 vs 16)

It’s obviously worth an extra 5m for 4HK

[unreal gale]

whole point is range is unnecessary

[jade rover]

This isn’t much to lose

[unreal gale]

doesn't make sense to sacrifice bsa and ads speed for no reason

[jade rover]

One frame and almost no BSA diff

[unreal gale]

but you do you

[jade rover]

17 vs 16 is borderline imperceptible

As is one frame faster ADS time

5m isn’t

[unreal gale]

you do you. but meta is meta

[jade rover]

👍

[rich arch]

If within 20m, just use by15 slugs

1sk anywhere on the body within 25m

[timber idol]

hvk build pls

[simple ledge]

Anyone got holger build ??

[inland furnace]

best Cbr4 gunsmith ?

[dapper laurel]

Marksmen barrel, mono suppressor, tac laser, large caliber mag, and combat stock.

[dapper laurel]

Mono suppressor, no stock, granulated, tac laser, and disabled.

[dapper laurel]

Marksmen barrel, mono, tac laser, granulated, and light stock.

[rich arch]

That’s a very slow build

[dapper laurel]

It has slightly slower ADS time than the normal HVK. I stack range because 21m 3 tap range.

[rich arch]

Fair enough

[dapper laurel]

14m 3 tap range feels too short for an AR. So max range for me.

[rich arch]

Not the best but definitely gonna try it in ranked

[dapper laurel]

I prefer combat stock over light, tac laser over red dot. Overall pretty good.

[uneven anchor]

y man o war when sks exists

[rich arch]

Not really a fan of sks, plus man o war feels good to use.

[rich arch]

Interesting I’ll definitely try those out

[uneven anchor]

well, whatever suits you best.

[unreal gale]

have you tried the hvk?

[viscid belfry]

rds to gran or tac laser

[shy ore]

quick question, how does bsa visually affect a gun, the screen shake when ads firing? wasnt something that i was super aware of.

[viscid belfry]

no ig

[unreal gale]

it doesn't. It's just "less accurate"

like the bullets literally spread out more

which is why I personally think bsa is not super important (given it doesn't absolutely suck)

the target you're hitting is pretty big most of the time and the fact that you're shooting in the right direction for more shots > tight spread

[shy ore]

gotcha thanks for the info. if that's the case, i wont really need to take that into account then

[rich arch]

I have, both large caliber rounds and extended. It works great as well.

[unreal gale]

it's also a consistent 3 shot

[viscid belfry]

hvk without lca its a trash

[unreal gale]

so it's kinda just a better mow

[rich arch]

It’s more in a good, not better but still good enough to use

[shut pivot]

hvk ass lol

[viscid belfry]

ye

[timber idol]

thanks

[dapper laurel]

No problem!