strategy

[brisk surge]

dublinn enemies, brings back bad memories from ccb1

[full terrace]

Degen is also good phys dps, but her damage is compressed, like 4 secs of slashing and done

[steel prairie]

yeah ??? its not enough... especially if there are TWO of them

[remote perch]

Sounds like you don't have them built

[cyan gorge]

show your snipers

[full terrace]

Mlynar isnt compressed, and he does it over a lengthy period of time

Thats why he is one of the best

Physical dps

[brisk surge]

why is less compressed better again

[steel prairie]

uhhh I used to have 2... now its down to one and she is GT

[brisk surge]

im like low brain power its 8am

[cyan gorge]

Can't GT kill them?

[full terrace]

Say you got constant waves of enemies coming at you

[remote perch]

and you complain that they aren't enough

[full terrace]

Like 3 waves

Degen slashes 1 wave.

[steel prairie]

she can kill 1... but during this encounter 2 spawned at the same time (also got friendly fired LMAO)

[stone sparrow]

Hmm... with TexAlt, the evocator's RES can be reduced from 40 to 28. GG's attacks will hit as if he has around 13.

[full terrace]

10 more secs 2nd wave coming, 10 more secs 3rd wave coming

[brisk surge]

oh i thought you meant that like uncompressed has more total damage or something

[full terrace]

Who gonna kill them? Degen's shadow?

[final obsidian]

Oh it wasn’t a question sorry
I was just saying to that guy why swap off Mlynar for Pinecone if you need physical. I appreciate it though

[brisk surge]

[cyan gorge]

then mind your placement so she doesn't get blown up

[stone sparrow]

in CC 72 becomes 51, treated as 36 by GG.

[steel prairie]

also GT will lose track if another enemy runs past it... losing dps

[stone sparrow]

Given he has 15k Health

my team should still be able to nuke him

but it would need the full nukage

Plus a Tex Alter spawned afterwards

[brisk surge]

mlynar also does basically 4x degen's total damage with mod

which is inanse

[stone sparrow]

It's a good point

Alright, I would then replace Skalter then in such a circumstance.

And keep the Mlynar

[full terrace]

Yah, and he also benefits off aspd buffs/relics in IS/RA/SSS

Mlynar > Degen

[stone sparrow]

I heard Mlynar is more generally useful due to that particular mod

I haven't gotten the mod yet

but I heard very good things about it

[final obsidian]

It won’t be out for another 6 months

But he is more useful regardless

[stone sparrow]

Ahh so the mod isn't out. I admit I thought he has a mod in global.

But it shows how little experience I have with the guy.

I'm still updating my team to get what I would consider as my versatile main.

Like removing Myrtle to make way for Ines for instance

Ok reading the Mlynar mod on the wiki... so is the mod basically just outright doubling his damage on deployment?

further increased by the talent

[final obsidian]

Well rather it only take half the time to reach the max damage buff from the talent with mod

So on deploy he can use skill as soon as he gets it instead of having to wait another 20 seconds

[stone sparrow]

Wait, his SP gen is based on the time it takes for his ATK bonus to hit max?

[final obsidian]

No, it’s just normally on deploy his damage buff starts at +0% and takes 40 seconds to get to +200%

With mod it starts at +100% on deploy

It only takes him like 20 seconds to get skill on deploy with M3 so normally without mod you would need to wait another 20 seconds after he charges skill if you wanted max damage

[stone sparrow]

Oh.... Oh jeez that is actually amazing then!

That increases his usability substantially

[full terrace]

He made it to my Standard squad. He gotta be strong or I fire him 😏

[stone sparrow]

Ok, updated Main team idea: Goldenglow, Lapptop, Yu, Shu, Mon3tr, Kaltsit, Executor Alter, Mlynar, Ines, Bagpipe, TexAlter, Skalter.

Should be sufficient. Biggest flaw is the obvious focus on Arts over Physical, but I can move some stuff around if need be.

[fast kernel]

Who to choose?

[final obsidian]

Ptilopsis

[fast kernel]

Ok

[stone sparrow]

If I had Ptilopsis I could switch out Skalter for Ptilopsis so I can feed Lapptop with SP.

But I don't have her, so I'll have to make do.

[cyan gorge]

I don't really have a standard squad, I use whoever I'm feeling at that particular time

[elder flume]

Same

[glass monolith]

Issue of having too much e2s

[final obsidian]

If you really like Bag you can bring her but overall you would be better off with a second agent for example like Canta, Bag not doing much for Ines

[stone sparrow]

Don't have Canta 😐

[oak sedge]

Is it normal for talulah in JT8-3 to do those fireball attacks twice

[stone sparrow]

Might as well just double down on the Bag

[cyan gorge]

If I wanted to sweat and not care, it'd look something like:
Ela, Ascalon, Shu, Logos + whoever the fuck takes advantage of the gimmick

[full terrace]

Phase 1 ~> Phase 2
Phase 2 ~> Death

Fireballs twice yes it's normal

[oak sedge]

is it possible to prevent the second fireball

[cyan gorge]

no

[oak sedge]

fuck it

[stone sparrow]

Plus due to the incredibly DP hungry nature of my team, Bag can be my early 2nd blocker with her S3.

While Ines farms DP for me.

[full terrace]

Here #strategy message. I'll repost:

JT8-3 basically you need to survive ignition, the crossfire explosion, and the fireballs. There are 2 techniques to counter them:

1. The FRDs technique like this #strategy message. Basically you bait the ignitions with 2 FRDs every 20 secs (Talulah's cooldown is 19 secs), and then retreat. No ignited operators = no crossfire explosion. The fireballs damage can also be shared with your FRDs later.
2. The constant healing technique like this #strategy message and this #strategy message. Basically you use Nightingale's RES buff to survive ignition, crossfire explosion, and fireballs.

But seriously, bring Nightingale

[misty umbra]

Nightingale saved jt8-3 for me

[oak sedge]

ill try

[stone sparrow]

I'll just find a Nightingale on Support

[full terrace]

JT8-3 is all about Arts, and Nightingale negates Arts so yeah

[misty umbra]

Honestly i recommend trying to do both strats

[stone sparrow]

I have the damage to nuke Talulah

but they will definitely crumble to her arts

[misty umbra]

Use frd to bait ignition while nightingale sanctiary is down

[cyan gorge]

The boss is the easy part, it's everything else in the stage that's the issue

[oak sedge]

would lappland alter work on talulah

[misty umbra]

Yes

[stone sparrow]

From what I've seen, it should work.

[misty umbra]

I used lappter and mylnar to kill her

[glass monolith]

Define work. If "make boss abilities less cringe", lol, lmao.

[stone sparrow]

I imagine with the progress I make in the story, I'll fight Talulah while having Yu on my team

so Talulah is just gonna get deleted lol

[misty umbra]

Lappter honestly could do it solo

She just may not kill her with a single skill use

[stone sparrow]

Just bring a Yu and both Mech Accords

Basically atomize her

[misty umbra]

That would work

Goldenglow/rockrock with lappter would do the trick

Like i said, i just used mylnar and lappter

[glass monolith]

Meanwhile me: Gladiia + Skadi

[oak sedge]

only problem for me now is holding early since i used to borrow thorns

[misty umbra]

Use frd

As long as the ignition doesnt hit your frontline they should be fine

[stone sparrow]

I should have a Shu and a Kaltsit in my team. I think I should be able to hold decently enough.

sustain isn't terrible and I have the damage to hold the line

[cyan gorge]

Silverash or QB can be used over thorns, just gotta time their skills tho

[misty umbra]

Crossfire kills healers quick

[stone sparrow]

Can crossfire be baited?

[cyan gorge]

yes

[misty umbra]

Yes

Use frd ops

[elder flume]

My strat is just Wis at the start so her first fireball hits no one

[stone sparrow]

Perfect, Tex Alter is gonna be a happy camper...

[misty umbra]

Bait ignition, retreat the frd ops when they get ignited

[stone sparrow]

or a not so happy camper as she's getting one shot

[full terrace]

JT8-3 in 2025

[misty umbra]

She doesnt need to die lol

[full terrace]

I did Lappland tank back then

[misty umbra]

Retreat her when she gets ignited and then drop her again off cd

[stone sparrow]

Bruh my main team is going to be all 6 stars...

I don't know how to feel about that

[oak sedge]

dont have either of them lol

[misty umbra]

Preferrably do it with two frd’s

Not just texalt

[misty umbra]

Do you have red?

[stone sparrow]

I have a reasonably built Gravel

[misty umbra]

Or cs?

Gravel very good

[full terrace]

You are going to be fine, I did Lappland a bunch of 4 Stars back then

Oh and Amiya

[misty umbra]

Litterally your frd op doesnt even need to be leveled

[stone sparrow]

Gravel carried me during the Lappland Event boss

[misty umbra]

Its their solely to bait the ignition

[oak sedge]

Project red?

[misty umbra]

Yes

[cyan gorge]

There's no reason not to really, save for having 5* flex picks like Shamare or Ptilo

[oak sedge]

Yes

[misty umbra]

Your frd ops can be level 1

[misty umbra]

Use red and gravel

[oak sedge]

Im using yato and gravel as frd

Ok

[misty umbra]

That works

[cyan gorge]

you only need 2 bodies every 30 seconds

[stone sparrow]

I mean, I can easily replace my Skalter with Ptilo to feed Lapptop some SP.

Skalter mainly is there for more nukage

so she isn't the most required thing

Issue is actually getting Ptilo

[misty umbra]

^

[cyan gorge]

I wouldn't even consider Skalter for nukage tbh

[stone sparrow]

I don't have her right now

[cyan gorge]

I'd rather bring a stronger buffer

[full terrace]

What is nukage

[stone sparrow]

Like what?

[full terrace]

Some japanese snack I assume

[cyan gorge]

Aak, Warf, even Stainless

[stone sparrow]

Yeah that ain't happening for a while 😐

Gotta wait for another selector

[cyan gorge]

Suzu and Shamare for debuff are equally as effective

[elder flume]

Btw why 30s

Burn is every 19s

Detonate every 35s

[stone sparrow]

Heck, when will HG release more selectors?

[full terrace]

Ignition every 30 secs according to Ancool and Kyostin

We had a lengthy discussion about this before

They corrected me

[stone sparrow]

Given my team's damage is mainly coming from the Mech Accords and Yu

I need SP most of all

Which is why I even consider Ptilo

once I get her

Stainless is likely my next target

[misty umbra]

Ptilo is a good pick

[cyan gorge]

Mostima for talent

[elder flume]

Unless ignition means something else

[stone sparrow]

No clue when HG will release another Selector in the store though.

Maybe when Yu is out 'fingers crossed'

[misty umbra]

Whatever the cd is for my cs is the perfect timing for her ignition

[full terrace]

No I think you are right

[cyan gorge]

There usually isn't for CNY events

[full terrace]

Lemme double check again

[stone sparrow]

was the lapptop event unique in this case?

[cyan gorge]

celebration (spring event) always has selector

[stone sparrow]

damn I have a whole year to wait to get Stainless then.

Gonna have to pray I get Ptilo somehow

Maybe recruit if the game is nice to me

[glass monolith]

1000 yard stare

[cyan gorge]

gold certs when she pops into kernel if deperate enough

[stone sparrow]

Nah I intend to use certs for Ines

not happening

[cyan gorge]

Ines in kernel?

[misty umbra]

Im saving my stuff for exualt/♿️

[cyan gorge]

I think we're a long way off from that

[stone sparrow]

oops

I looked at ExuAlt and Lemuen

both look great, but ultimately don't seem to give me the most benefit for what I'm looking for tbh

[final obsidian]

Stainless should make shoperator debut soon actually if you really want him

[stone sparrow]

But he's gonna cost 180 certs though...

[misty umbra]

I meam im barely over a month into the game

So im missing a lot of ops

[stone sparrow]

I'm holding onto my certs for Ines.

and Thankfully her shop should show up after Yu banner

so I'll have enough certs thanks to that banner

Well in this case, until I can get them (Stainless or Ptilo), Skalter is the way.

[glass monolith]

Bro is 1.5 years too soon Also Ines gold cert in half year

[elder flume]

Would people pull if Ines in Kernel

[cyan gorge]

Maybe I'll buy to get her pot 6 if I get another copy between now and when she comes to shop

[full terrace]

Yeah you are right, I just checked ingame. Lemme edit

[full terrace]

You are waiting for her to be shoperator arent you? 😂

[brisk surge]

i need to offrate ines so i can get p3

🚬

[full terrace]

Or are you going to stay proud Inesless

[glass monolith]

I'm saving gold certs on Kernel operators who avoided crossfire off rating

[full terrace]

Wnd Surtrless

[brisk surge]

minus are you a kernel puller

[glass monolith]

Surtr, Passenger are ones I can recall in kernel I am missing

[full terrace]

Who? 😵

[brisk surge]

passenger for base kinda nice

[full terrace]

Screw Passenger, I'm running Exodia soon

[brisk surge]

no dusk for exodia.....

[cyan gorge]

The only kernel op I'm missing that I want is Mosti
only cause I like her design

[full terrace]

Thats why I'm waiting for Yu

[glass monolith]

Lemuen for the number 2 sniper waifu (1 is Kroos)

[brisk surge]

can you even offrate 200 spark units?

[full terrace]

Mostiless 😏

[glass monolith]

Hold my random Rosmontis on Mumu banner, she was 300 back then but not x5

[full terrace]

I spark her 😏

[brisk surge]

well sure im gonna spark too

but i sure hope i can get it before 200 yk

so i can spark another one

[full terrace]

I just want an optimized base and I'm happy

[brisk surge]

i just want chinese wife

[glass monolith]

I want slow time to play all games

[cyan gorge]

now you're just playing the games in slow mo

[pure orchid]

Dr where

[brisk surge]

???

why did that message happen

what

[pure orchid]

Hello fellow chatter

[brisk surge]

oh im restarted

i tought i pinged arf

[pure orchid]

What message doth you pertain to

[brisk surge]

i hate this bit

[pure orchid]

Should we change soon

[brisk surge]

no

im chatter 1

[pure orchid]

🥹

[glass monolith]

Ah fuck it is "5 people named Surtr with Surtr pfp" all over again

[full terrace]

It's better than the Yomis

Dw, number #5 is Qyurii, I can ignore everyone else

[brisk surge]

wtfart

[pure orchid]

Damn

[glass monolith]

Everything is better than losing CCb2 run to "Yo Mis 18 times in row"

[brisk surge]

qyurii what if we switched numbers one day randomly

[pure orchid]

Is that even possible

I like my number

[glass monolith]

I will switch your aliveness. Also we still can see like your actual discord name

[elder flume]

1 is just a straight 5

[brisk surge]

qyurii is gay?

[pure orchid]

What does that mean

[full terrace]

Has always been

[pure orchid]

Crazy conclusion

[full terrace]

He and Fredi always flirt

[pure orchid]

How tf is 1 a straight 5

Im tryna see it

[full terrace]

If that isnt g- idk what is

[pure orchid]

Its not working

[brisk surge]

if you pull and strech out the 5

its like a straight line

so 1

[lofty stag]

Can’t believe #strategy devolved into a #help convo

[lofty stag]

Actually ykw I see it

[brisk surge]

literally help chat retirement home here

what did you expect

[oak sedge]

i give up on JT8-3, i need a lane holder and i can't borrow since im using nightingale

will just do 13-15 again

[full terrace]

You are a 2021 player, there is no way you didnt have the ops

Hi ia

[brisk surge]

like arf is my uncle that i visit whevener i have an arguement with my parents (help chat)

[rapid junco]

You can use logos s3 for jt8-3🤫

[rapid junco]

I'm not even finish my type
How sweet

[oak sedge]

i don't have allat

my inventory full of kernel

[full terrace]

Kernel works my brother

Lemme see what you have

[rapid junco]

Me using kernel ops when it's not kerneled

[full terrace]

No way a bunch of E1s..

[rapid junco]

Amiyi bottom lane angle

[full terrace]

Anyway

[lofty stag]

The account equivalent of a mustang Mach 1 with massaging seats

[somber falcon]

The issue is less what ops you have
It's how raised they are

[full terrace]

Lappcaster can dps, Blaze and Saria can lanehold

[lofty stag]

*unraised 🥱

[full terrace]

LMAO

[rapid junco]

[oak sedge]

dp cost tho

[full terrace]

Yah so

Myrtle

[lofty stag]

That’s what vanguards are for?

[oak sedge]

aight

[rapid junco]

Dp cost in my flags economy

[full terrace]

Dont tell me Myrtle unraised?

[oak sedge]

i have e2

[brisk surge]

is that a good thing

[lofty stag]

Basically saying an old ass car with some new tech

[elder flume]

S1M3?

[full terrace]

Guardmiya on Talulah tanking duty (she has high res)

[oak sedge]

no module

[lofty stag]

You don’t need mod 🥱

[full terrace]

Lappcaster behind Saria

[rapid junco]

[full terrace]

Blaze can hold her own lane

[lofty stag]

Well for Myrtle at least

[still vessel]

M = mastery

[full terrace]

No Module Myrtle is fine

[rapid junco]

maso

[oak sedge]

oh

[lofty stag]

Ohhh that direction of misunderstanding

[oak sedge]

no mas

[elder flume]

If its S1M3 i can just simulate it easily

[full terrace]

Apparently it's S1L7

[lofty stag]

You might just be allergic to masteries

[full terrace]

It shouldnt be too hard with that squad still

[rapid junco]

Allergic to raising ops even

[lofty stag]

Nah obv

[lofty stag]

I prescribe Claritin for such allergies

[full terrace]

I was expecting a bunch of E2ed Kernel ops since he is a 2021 player 😂

With Eyja and friends

Surprise surprise

E1s

[lofty stag]

Barn find ass account

[oak sedge]

i quitted back then since im stupid for tower defenses

and still now

[lofty stag]

You’re back for the waifus I presume?

[full terrace]

Nah its not about that, you did it wrong is all

If you were stupid, you wouldnt have reached Chapter 13

Or JT8-3

[lofty stag]

People with better rosters have accomplished far less

[oak sedge]

wis'adel lol

[lofty stag]

They scare me

[full terrace]

Wisadel is fine, means you still know how to use her

I have seen worse

And I have helped worse ofcourse

[lofty stag]

Only those seeking redemption arrive at #strategy’s doorstep

[full terrace]

Just the other day, there was someone needing tutorial on how to play with touchscreen

[lofty stag]

RIGHT

I REMEMBER

Well my record is having to show someone via video how to change skills

[left pecan]

What

No way thats real

[brisk surge]

i would buy that

unironically

[lofty stag]

Cool, look at any 90s jdm import

[elder flume]

@oak sedge borrow Wis

[lofty stag]

Hell even the 2000s got some sick stuff

[lofty stag]

Damn I don’t miss having to use low-end guides

[left pecan]

Crownslayer usage

[elder flume]

She'll be E2 soon so savor while it lasts

[steel prairie]

how am I suppose to defeat these guys ??? their stats makes them almost invincable

its like facing 5 senator armstrongs

[left pecan]

Silence them, then art damage

So basically lapp2

Idk man i just burst through them good physical dps work as well

[steel prairie]

uhhhh I only have 1 arts dps person left....

I have like 6 physical dps and yet they cant hold the line

maybe promoting Amiya to a guard was a terrible mistake

[somber falcon]

Honestly
Do yourself (and others) a favor, stop advancing main story and raise your team first

[left pecan]

If u have 6 physical dps yet can't kill them u might have a roster problem

[elder flume]

Ykno you can change Amiya classes at will right

[oak sedge]

noted, ill try later

[steel prairie]

wait really ???

I thought its permament

[left pecan]

Idk what to say to that without coming off like a massive asshole

At least u know now ig ?

[steel prairie]

cause this is the first game thats kinda off lore strict... so I was lowkey expecting it

also wtf she has 3 types ??? jesus

[elder flume]

She has a sword doesnt mean she lost her powers lol

[steel prairie]

ik but like how 8-2 played out I thought they will force you to use guard amiya

[steel prairie]

damn sigh......

[lofty stag]

I mean the gameplay doesn’t HAVE to follow lore to a t

Like some ops we play as technically “left” Rhodes island

[steel prairie]

oh ???

ok

[left pecan]

Something tell me u only play jrpg

[elder flume]

Rip Steward team

[steel prairie]

that used to be me

as a former xenoblade player I felt that

[lofty stag]

Plus, there’s a reason we can play both original and alter in the same team

Albeit a recent change

[left pecan]

Wait what

[lofty stag]

Apparently you couldn’t play original and alter in same team

Nor in base i think

It was changed around texalter event

Could be wrong

[steel prairie]

couldnt you put Spector and Spector unchained together ???

[lofty stag]

Now? Yes

Before the Change, no

[steel prairie]

oh ok

[somber falcon]

"apparently"

[lofty stag]

I’m not old so I’m parroting

[left pecan]

Wait isn't specalter a completely different person from a different timeline or am i trippinf

[steel prairie]

apparently for 9-18 even with a fuk ton of dps guards back to back and still couldnt hold the line

[lofty stag]

That’s skalter

[somber falcon]

That's skalter

[elder flume]

I will certainly not be able to handhold 9-19

[steel prairie]

let me guess... its a boss right ???

[elder flume]

Mayhaps

[left pecan]

My 9-19 experience includes brute forcing it with 3 dpses

[steel prairie]

tho honestly I havent seen anyone in chapter 9 that could be a boss tho tbh

besides that dragon lady

[left pecan]

Mandragora ye

[crisp bolt]

Oh yeah her

[lofty stag]

Mandragora is not a dragon

[steel prairie]

bruh she barely had screen time

[crystal python]

mandragora jumpscare

[lofty stag]

Welcome to lore

[left pecan]

Man-DRAGO-ra

[steel prairie]

looks like one... or then I shall call her lizard lady ???

[left pecan]

I can see the vision

[lofty stag]

Also reed never becomes a boss

[sick knoll]

Floating asshole

[left pecan]

Her sister did

If u want to

[somber falcon]

She's like the most active antagonist in the chapter
Tf have you been reading

[lofty stag]

Well that was my next point

[steel prairie]

but like chapter 5-8 the bosses your facing is super obvious... now I have to guess who will be the boss ?

[steel prairie]

I mean not as much screen time as Frost, Tal, Meph, etc

[crisp bolt]

No

[left pecan]

Idk isn't mandragora just unapologetically evil during the chapter

[somber falcon]

P much

[crisp bolt]

I guess ch15 boss might be a bit of a weird one but all the other chapter bosses are pretty obvious

[steel prairie]

I literally lowkey thought mandragora was nine for a sec when I first saw her LMAO

[left pecan]

Like surely u can see that ah yes this evil lady will be the evil final boss of this chapter

[elder flume]

Inb4 Harmonie

[left pecan]

I mean u kinda have to play babel to understand ch15

[lofty stag]

Bro #ak-lore is gonna explode during chap 15 release

[left pecan]

WAIR FUC

[crisp bolt]

True

[left pecan]

I meant ch14

[somber falcon]

Ye
"leader" is super passive, harmonie pretty hands off

[steel prairie]

wait I thought chapter 15 is already released ??? or is the CN base already spoiled us ???

[left pecan]

CN got ch15 ye

[lofty stag]

Chap 15 is on cn currently

[crisp bolt]

EN release* most people don't keep up with CN stuff

[lofty stag]

We are always behind cn

[steel prairie]

oh so basically the CN did spoil us

[sick knoll]

Ow

[left pecan]

#cn-lounge for spoiler if u want to

[steel prairie]

youtube already spoiled me alot

[left pecan]

Oh ye youtube is a bitch

[lofty stag]

That is missing so many details but somehow works

Damn

[left pecan]

Get bonked bozo

[steel prairie]

dang I need more Arty rangers and such...

[sick knoll]

I figured someone will come shoot me BC of my epic spoilers

[brisk surge]

omg chatter 4

[left pecan]

Hi chatter 1

[steel prairie]

is this way too stacked and clumped up ???

[cyan gorge]

if it works, it works

[steel prairie]

ok why is my blaze doing dmg now ??? last time she was just tickling them ???

does blaze skill have to take THAT long to charge up ???

[elder flume]

4 is just a 1 thats too long and need to bend because of the ceiling

I mean
Your skill level is what makes her when to use her skill

Being a soon to be infinite duration skill most of them take that long

[steel prairie]

ah I can see why you say no handholding

[steel prairie]

at least I manage to do most of 19 without Wis

just like 3 levels I needed Wis

[cyan gorge]

This boss really isn't that hard once you get past phase 1

[elder flume]

Theoretically i could

But you still need something for left side

[cyan gorge]

pretty sure any medic defender + lapp can handle left

add a sniper if lacking damage

[steel prairie]

wait Mandra is the fukin mouse ??? I thought the boss is the dragon...

[elder flume]

Banana is later

[fast kernel]

helpive been stuck ehre for the past hour trying to beat 2-8

i tried following a tut on yt and i sill lost to the drones mainly

[cyan gorge]

e2 pred

[fast kernel]

😭

[elder flume]

Try to take pics of the stage after you deployed your ops to figure out whats wrong

[fast kernel]

ok

[elder flume]

If drones are the problem then youre lacking in healing or ranged

Could be level problem or not enough ops to take care of it problen

[fast kernel]

so it goes well up until this point

and after the big guys spawn

and the drones come out

[maiden hound]

Level up your Kroos, and add some skill levels?

[fast kernel]

i start lacking in firpower

[elder flume]

Where is Jessica and Amiya

[fast kernel]

level 30 not enough?

[steel prairie]

put Shaw near the bottem to push the spiders and enemies off the building

[fast kernel]

dead

[elder flume]

Huh

[somber falcon]

don't use red to hold lane

[fast kernel]

they were killed

[steel prairie]

your Shaw is in the wrong place put her near the bottem to push them

[fast kernel]

ok

ill try that

[elder flume]

Nah their Shaw is alright

It pushes right lane

[fast kernel]

who do i use instead?

[somber falcon]

cardigan is right there

[fast kernel]

cuz other guards are too expensive

[elder flume]

Just making sure
Amiya Jessica are supposed to be above Whisperain Ptilopsis right

[fast kernel]

yea

[elder flume]

And they died first

[somber shuttle]

aggro issue

[somber falcon]

only one remotely expensive in your team is gitano

[somber shuttle]

vanguards > ranged > tankers so you wont have any issue with your high ground being killed off first

[limpid ore]

aggro issue

[somber shuttle]

honestly js remove gitano,.....................................................................................

[fast kernel]

oh who to replace

[somber shuttle]

lava

[fast kernel]

ok

[oak sedge]

yo i don't have 5* lappland are there alternatives

[elder flume]

Show ops

Sort by level

3 pages will suffice

[fast kernel]

thx bro it finally worked whe i used lava

[oak sedge]

give me a min

[elder flume]

Siege Hoshi Blaze Saria works

Lapp2 face down then

[oak sedge]

alright

[elder flume]

you want Sussuro or Silence if youre going solo healer btw

that lil kid has too much healing

[oak sedge]

i have silence, ill swap

dont have sussuro leveled up

do i need to have 1 free slot for silence for the drone?

[elder flume]

no

[fast kernel]

who to e1 first? la pluma or thorn or a caster like amiya?

[oak sedge]

oh ok

[elder flume]

it takes 5 dp per cast but Siege should allow it

prob Pluma

[fast kernel]

ok

[fast kernel]

and then after that is thorn?

[steel prairie]

oh ok so on 9-19 your suppose to drop the pillars on Mandra herself right ???

but then for stage 2 your gonna have to brute force it since the pillars are gone right ???

[maiden hound]

You rawdog Mandra phase 1 then use the pillars on her phase 2.

[final obsidian]

You rather save pillars for phase 2

[steel prairie]

also I now realize why people call lappa lappadumb

because instead of taking down the pillars.. which is right next to her... she continues to proceeds to hiut the enemy instead

bruh

so uhhh... any good demolition Ops ???

[maiden hound]

FRDs work

[elder flume]

Kroos also face down or left

[final obsidian]

Thorns really wants his E2, I would wait to raise him until you can E2 him right away. If you need a caster raise Steward over Amiya he is pretty cheap

[fast kernel]

can i ask what makes thorn so good w his e2

[final obsidian]

His only usable skill is on Skill 3 so you need E2

[fast kernel]

o

[oak sedge]

silence kinda sucks for this, ill use myrhh

[steel prairie]

ok uhhh the problem for 9-19 that Ic is that due to the deployable Ops limit... I literally have 0 Ops left to go take Mandra

[elder flume]

worst case scenario is raising Sussuro which is a really good choice being one of the best hps healers lol

mine is only E1 5o

[steel prairie]

so apparently... 4 guards... 2 on each side and 2 medics (1 on each side) so already used up 6 units

which means you only have 2 dps left with 0 supports to take on mandra

unless I Wis it

man I really need Bagpipe or hurry up and E2 Flametail so they can be a dps

[fast kernel]

are these other casters any good

[cyan gorge]

Steward and Click will get you through most of the game
Amiya you'll have to raise eventually for story progression

[final obsidian]

[cyan gorge]

Indigo is also a good caster, but she wants her module so leave her on the backburner until you progress more

[fast kernel]

so ill raise all 3?

[cyan gorge]

Focus on Steward and Click, work on Amiya as you get closer to chap 8

[fast kernel]

alr

[oak sedge]

my myrhh keeps healing Texas instead Hoshi

Ill try to build sussuro

[final obsidian]

Steward is E1 max, Click you can leave at E1 max for IS purposes later, Amiya you are forced to E2 later on but you can wait until it makes you do it

[somber falcon]

take tex off field once she's no longer useful

[faint loom]

how do i clear this with my current team comp, vulp, texas, s.ash, tequila, lapp, lappalt, ceobe, kroos alt, saria, tinman, silence and ptilo

[somber falcon]

you have lappalt
what's the problem

or is she e1

[faint loom]

e2

[final obsidian]

Well Lappalt / Goldenglow can solo that stage with global skill, the very bottom right square is safe iirc

[somber falcon]

no problem then

bottom right

[final obsidian]

Yea right thanks

[faint loom]

it's just sometimes somehow someone made it thru so i can't make it perfect clear

[faint loom]

next to the objective?

[somber falcon]

just drop an frd or sniper on them

[scarlet fulcrum]

U dont really need to actually solo it

[faint loom]

what's frd

[elder flume]

Hoshi on top then
Hoshi deployed last
if Texas cant survive then Siege might be better

[somber falcon]

fast redeploy

executors

[faint loom]

aaah, well...i didn't build crownslayer
okay i'll just try your 1st advice then

full gas on bottom right

[final obsidian]

Yeah just deploy more units as the area becomes safer when drone die

[steel prairie]

ok I will say that 9-19 is actually more doable than 8-3... and that is without Wis

the problem is I have 0 demolition Ops

like HURRY UP BLAZE wdym your chainsaw isnt made of crabide blade meant to cute thro concrete ???

[oak sedge]

S1 or S2 for sussuro?

[rapid junco]

S2

[maiden hound]

Gravel works.

[steel prairie]

uhhh there is just on eproblem ???

ok I have one problem ??? who can destroy this pillar that is marked without accidently targeting Mandra ???

[remote perch]

The device they give you

[steel prairie]

on concept 9-19 is pretty easy but due to funky mechanic it keeps ruining it

[steel prairie]

uhh idt it allows you place on those high buildings

[remote perch]

you can, thats why i say it

[civic bear]

you can

can place it anywhere

put it on the left of the pillar then face it right

[steel prairie]

oh ok you can idk why I didnt see it

[rapid junco]

Omg kirn

[scarlet fulcrum]

Hi i.a

[rapid junco]

[oak sedge]

i give up im stupid for this

Ill do this 6 months later

[scarlet fulcrum]

Uninstalling?

[oak sedge]

nah im saving for exualter

[rapid junco]

[oak sedge]

she could probably do this

[scarlet fulcrum]

U can actually do quite a lot relay with those ops. No need to focus on single tile

[oak sedge]

im struggling holding both lanes, both dead before wisadel ready again

ill try double medic

[scarlet fulcrum]

U can make tile to become single when fireball comes. Even wisadel renevants survive like the vid that sent to u without medic

[oak sedge]

im just gonna level up my ops before i do this again

i just can't

[steel prairie]

ok 9-19 is way easier than 8-3

I beat it... its way easier

[elder flume]

ye JT8-3 problem is fireballs

[steel prairie]

and GT is indeed MVP... she clutched the end because of those flying Golems (how the hell they even fly ??? they are rocks... they dont have enough lift to even take off)

also I used Franka for demolition and such

and Skadi for the final blow on Mandra

[wary imp]

if u have lapipi she can silence the refraction on the golems so that ur caster have an easier time dealing those
(also GT is quite good ... in the past)

[south spindle]

brother rocks give cancer and grant magic

[wary imp]

-# ||personally GT is one of the good lore character but no one asked me so yeah 🤓||

[steel prairie]

I did use lappa... always use her... she is basically mandatory

its just not enough

also its not like I have a lot of arts characters anyways

[elder flume]

Ceobe

[steel prairie]

bruh I keep on forgetting to build her... also I have 0 resources left and Im just trying to E2 some of my units

[wary imp]

also you may consider replacing GT with Krooster
because while GT kit is ... good, the fact that its offensive recovery, plus her s2 at m3 requires 30 shots to activates, which u may struggle

[steel prairie]

I got it... I love her machine gun

[elder flume]

you can put bookmarks on ops

so they always appear when u open ops list

[wary imp]

...
thats a crossbow

[steel prairie]

ik that ... and already did... but should I poritize E2 my characters first or build Ceobe ???

[steel prairie]

HER S2 IS A MACHINE GUN..... did I stutter ???

[elder flume]

starting from Kal sure

[wary imp]

oh ye
but ppl just say krooster is better because of her s2 hits four times, instead of 3 for GT

[elder flume]

getting base ops is better but if you keep progressing story you need good ops

[steel prairie]

yeah... but GT is sexier... and has a better name LOL

[elder flume]

hows your base production btw

i assume its not doing good with all the unraised 4stars

[steel prairie]

I would say... its ok

[south spindle]

don't say okay, go to RIIC Report (in control center) and screenshot the numbers of the last few days

[steel prairie]

lol btw my lappa and texas are working together (built obviously) and yet somehow Texas got tired first like wtf ???

[steel prairie]

bruh I just closed my game

[south spindle]

🥀

[wary imp]

peak opinion, ill take that

[steel prairie]

I cant find it ??? I dont find any numbers

[maiden hound]

Show me your current window.

[steel prairie]

wait nvm they hide it on the top right corner

wtf its main report why hide it on a tiny corner ???

[maiden hound]

Now screenshot the numbers

[steel prairie]

uhhh is it this ???

[maiden hound]

Could be better.

[steel prairie]

ik but Im currently focused on getting good Ops

[wary imp]

uhh u running 2 5 2?

or 2 4 3

also for base stuff -> #r-i-i-c

[somber falcon]

mm yes e0 lvl 1 op, very good

[elder flume]

would prefer to double those numbers

faster economy is faster E2 ops

I just started raising mine too cuz i want those E2

[steel prairie]

jesus... thats already super straining

[steel prairie]

Im following the official guide so I think its 2/4/3

[elder flume]

also huh why is May not gaining trust an d theres only 2 in slot

[steel prairie]

but Im currently on this

[steel prairie]

oh cause I forgot to put some... idk why some of them just leave

sometimes I forgot to put Ops in the main control rooms

[elder flume]

keep them there to gain trust

until hondo atleast

you cant get a few mods without it

switch to 252 when you can

[elder flume]

eventually you need to guard bottom before civ dies

and Mumu summon not deployed thonk

[somber falcon]

inb4 "idk what it does and it's weak"

[steel prairie]

wait am I suppose to now let them go ?

[elder flume]

uh missing 4 more enemies

unless those are the leaked ones then rip

then yeah stage ends and its just those civs

need to get to base

[indigo shoal]

Is this the right channel for operator builds ?

[elder flume]

more for #help

#strategy is more towards beating stages but they do hold a lot more than just that

[indigo shoal]

Ah so mainly squad loadout here

Putting boss stages on auto-replay was a bad idea

[steel prairie]

LOL

[halcyon adder]

How many stagex r there in stronghold protocol?

[dapper hedge]

4-5 or smt

[halcyon adder]

Why was i fighting 16 stages?

Run was not ending

[dapper hedge]

Oh are you talking about how many fights youre doing

[crisp bolt]

If you mean rounds, it goes infinite until either you or the enemy dies

[smoky halo]

if u mean rounds

infinite until someone dies

[halcyon adder]

Ya sorry rounds

[dapper hedge]

You fight until the enemy or you dies

[smoky halo]

ye

what he said

[crisp bolt]

I current record is like 1.1k rounds

[halcyon adder]

Oh i see

[smoky halo]

1.1k is impossible 🥹

unless u can tie?

[halcyon adder]

I cant even kill big bob

Whats the strategy in this mode?

[crisp bolt]

Basically get kazi enemy and have eyja kill 1 but leak the other

Infinite cycle

[smoky halo]

💀

goober ahh game

[upper vapor]

core protocol is so hard

can lack of operator make it impossible or are the elite operators enough

[crisp bolt]

Not sure if anyone has done with elite operators but I feel like it's possible

[upper vapor]

i cant even do it w my current ops and 6 support units 😭

[smoky halo]

u can borrow until 8 though

borrow 2 more

🚬

[upper vapor]

does anyone have lumen and nearl 😆

[elder flume]

Pick one

[smoky halo]

@brisk surge i will strem is4

🚬

[upper vapor]

ive been using the kaltsit one

[elder flume]

Noob did it + Reed

Its possible

Tho anything can be made possible with Logos

[upper vapor]

should i put logos on tier 5 or 6

[elder flume]

Uh whats your T5

[upper vapor]

currently thorns and logos

[elder flume]

And available ones are?

[upper vapor]

the only good one is lappalter 😭 the others are penance and crownslayer

[south spindle]

!!!

[elder flume]

Lapp Logos then

[upper vapor]

t5?

[elder flume]

Ye

[upper vapor]

alright

[smoky halo]

r u gonna watch 🚬

cos im just waiting for maxxers before streming

[south spindle]

no i just felt like pinging you for fun duh

🚬

[elder flume]

If R3 you get Caster then go caster
If R3 you get AH then go AH

[south spindle]

i wouldn't want to watch or anything after i missed peak earlier 🥀

[smoky halo]

🚬

[dapper hedge]

Are you gonna explode to prisoner

[smoky halo]

🥹 no

[upper vapor]

alright

[south spindle]

thats me btw

[elder flume]

Find a Lumen friend

Theres 2 instances where status cleanse is prefered

[upper vapor]

okay thank you

[upper vapor]

does level in original arknights affect stronghold?

[elder flume]

Yes

[smoky halo]

wat

[elder flume]

Up to 10% hp atk def

[smoky halo]

ril?

[elder flume]

Ye your ops level gives buff

Your pots also count

[upper vapor]

alright

[elder flume]

Leveling just for this isnt worth tho

You get like 5% hp atk def at E1 1 iirc

Then 10% at E2 60

[upper vapor]

nah i was just trying to borrow a lumen but he said his lumen is e0

[elder flume]

Its fine

10% stat isnt anything

[upper vapor]

yeah

[dense latch]

Who should I focus to build? just return to arknight and want to focus on doing story

[south spindle]

#help for this sort of stuff btw
usually just specific stage discussion here

[sullen rover]

ur acc looks bad
the good ones there are penance ng eyja

just put masteries on ur op and youll be fine

[dense latch]

Then should I just reroll when there's another limited banner then?

[elder flume]

Eh just live with it

Raise Bassline Eyja Ange NG Penance Astgenne then the 4 stars

It lacks dps

You can get Tequila from DH event Krooster from IW event

[dense latch]

Then should I pick SA from the 6 star selector?

[sullen rover]

no just wait for banners on ur current acc

[dense latch]

Who do you recommend to save?

[sullen rover]

u can get ascalon or yu balalter

or both

[elder flume]

Ye SA is okay to pick from ticket

[sullen rover]

and then just pull the lemen uxe banner later down the line

[dense latch]

who's NG?

[elder flume]

Nightingale

[dense latch]

Do i have to raise them to e2

[elder flume]

Ideally

If you can win with just E1 sure

[dense latch]

What about the team?

[elder flume]

That will change each map depending on what youre facing

Most likely

[sullen rover]

u can just do healers blockers and dpses

that beats anything in general content

[scarlet fulcrum]

Finally i can compress the vid, yato for brainded timing

[scarlet fulcrum]

It's just tier 6 lv 30

[shell arch]

Thanks

[sullen rover]

your welcome

[oak sedge]

dang wtf, might be able to do this

[scarlet fulcrum]

GL 👍 i believe in you

[shell arch]

Back in my day, you need ng to cheese this

[scarlet fulcrum]

It has high res yea, she chilling

[oak sedge]

which frd has the same deployment as gravel

Or i just bring others

since many slots

[scarlet fulcrum]

As long as u retreat CS first u are fine

Yato vg just for flex there

[oak sedge]

ill bring project red incase

[scarlet fulcrum]

Without rdp pot same like full pot CS

U can also bring dp generator just in case u messed up

[shell arch]

Jaye has -1 rdp time than talulah ture dmg
It's tight but you don't need gravel tier frd

[glass monolith]

After malding double redeploying once on Talulah i don't want to do that shit ever again

[shell arch]

I mean it's double redeploy talulah
Not as hard as say, pyrite r18 w1

[glass monolith]

If i ever forced to face her again i will abuse status resistance to make burn end twice as fast, or double not 6* tactician vanguard to abuse pet retreat

[shell arch]

It's not harder than doing anni3 back in 2020-2021
You just need micromanaging which isn't that tight

[glass monolith]

Back when i did anni 3 i was like barely ready and planless If i were to redo it now i probably gonna uninstall everything before it move from spawn (except invis wave)

[shell arch]

I've had micromanaged angelina s3m3 sole carry in anni3 down to 0.5s window. I think micromanaging is quite an attractive difficulty for any stages to have

Except ToW without frd. Fuck that shit

[oak sedge]

will there be frd bullshit on ch14 and ch15

[glass monolith]

Well... There will be bullshit for sure

[scarlet fulcrum]

U can actually skip frd stuff here too. But its not worth the resources

[sly drift]

Wolumonde was like, earliest hardest event wasn't it

[dapper hedge]

Ya cause the suicidal assholes

[sly drift]

Insta take over the tower is outrageous while the stage is all about those towers.

Then killing golems around red tower is practically impossible back then.

[glass monolith]

Mudrock boss which made me suffer because she just instantly take them

Also first case of "We use exploding enemy 10th time now, but now it can't be silenced, get fucked"

[sly drift]

But overall, nothing made me suffer more than CC#10

Its absolute insanity

[oak sedge]

i cant get to 2nd phase wtf

[glass monolith]

Cannon one, right? I scored r18w1 and run of into sunset

[sly drift]

Yea, manfred. This CC probably took the longest time for me to mald. Every single thing are just insanity.

[shell arch]

Yeppers but idk if ToW or cc beta came first

ToW literally made me almost quit AK for good

[scarlet fulcrum]

I can guess ur lappdumb burned

[sly drift]

CC beta was after code of brawl

[shell arch]

14 nah

[scarlet fulcrum]

we have suzuran and Rosa but no weedy during pyrite

In beta we have schwarz still

Also yea infamous magallan

[sly drift]

I bet newer player couldn't even comprehend how Angelina is literally meta during these times

[scarlet fulcrum]

[shell arch]

The reason I couldn't trim pyrite because I did r18 w1 at cc0
I thought pyrite would be easy

I was never more wrong in my life

Well apart of me misinfoing in #help

[dapper hedge]

What's pyrite

Is it the stun sniper

[elder flume]

the only one that could come close to Ange was no one until Ho

[shell arch]

SILVER
AND GOLD

WON'T SAVE MY ROTTING SOUL

[upper vapor]

is AH better than caster? i really struggle searching for AH ops

[elder flume]

youre leveling Barge early right

[upper vapor]

yes

[elder flume]

Fae strat prefers AH > sniper

caster after sniper is good with GG

[cinder cliff]

guys quick question wich 1 is the core?

im only miss this but idk how tf i did this

and is my last medal x.x

[glass monolith]

Kill opponent on Core Protocol difficulty, the end

[shell arch]

Core is core difficulty

[cinder cliff]

si that mean on the last line?

so*

[glass monolith]

It means go in Core Protocol difficulty and lower opponent hp to 0 before you die when both opponent on 1 HP FFS

[cinder cliff]

so is change dificulty right?

nvm i found that ye im blind as hell

[oak sedge]

yep

tried it multiple times

[scarlet fulcrum]

Yea goku will have DR againts burned ops

U can just deploy ur frd and wait her to burn them then deploy lapp, if u can't time lappdumb deployment. Tho she is safe on purestream tile there if ur sole purpose only for phase 1, wasted but just bring more ops

[oak sedge]

im too stupid for this stage

Ill comeback soon for this stage

[scarlet fulcrum]

U can Deploy frds>let it burn>deploy lappdumb. No need to copy 1:1

After she (welp technically he) appear from mid stair u can deploy lapp very late

Its fine

[oak sedge]

ch14 finally

[elder flume]

im at 3hondo gold without 3rd Kazi File

but 6 Arts Shield so far

too bad its on R9

this is taking a while to get to 5hondo

[upper vapor]

bro the pathfinders trolley thingy is really annoying

they cant be blocked and deals so much damage

[elder flume]

isnt it block 3

[upper vapor]

but they rolled over my hoshi

[elder flume]

oh its not even block 3

[somber falcon]

Block 4 iirc

[upper vapor]

oooh so hoshi module y is better against pathfinders then

[elder flume]

Stronghold is pretty bad at showing info

cant open SWEEP during run

[somber falcon]

I still wouldn't use that
Just kill

[elder flume]

i have Hoshi on block 4

S3

[upper vapor]

dang aight

theyre so beefy too

i think gladiia with ice thing should be good right

[elder flume]

i still think its cope on Gladiia

[upper vapor]

lol but isnt she an AH

[elder flume]

35s skill 8s duration

[somber falcon]

He means the freeze equip on glad

Not glad herself

You'd want multihit for more freeze chances

[elder flume]

Ros Wis Hoshi

hence S3 is good

[limpid ore]

in Stronghold, Aegir counts toward AH faction

[upper vapor]

oh aight

[glass monolith]

In stronghold Viviana doesn't count toward Kazimier.... The fuck game?

[dapper hedge]

???? Cause shes leithanien

like pretty sure degen dont count as kazi either

[full terrace]

Maybe she'll be considered Kazimierz in future dual faction update

I just want Texas to be considered a part of Siracusan

Not Penguin Logistic 😏

[limpid ore]

she will never be a siracusan

cuz she is columbian

[full terrace]

In the dual faction update she will iirc

I saw that somewhere

She will benefit from Lappcaster's Talent in the future

It's DragonGJY's video

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=4ryUs6_0BMA

That Talent tho

Bagpipe lite 😂

[pure orchid]

Hey if im using vulpi anyways, might as well

Suzu tho

We keep winning

[elder flume]

wouldve been good for my squad ig

owel

2 vanguards getting insta skill

[atomic harness]

in protocol does lumen count towards AH

[full terrace]

Nah

Since when Lumen is AH

[atomic harness]

thought he would be aegir

[full terrace]

He is, but AH is completely different. They are experimental subjects in Ulpi and his co's project

Iirc merging Seaborns into Aegir

AH ≠ Aegir

[atomic harness]

i thought in stronghold protocol aegir is counted towards the ah faction count

at least i remember reading that somewhere

[full terrace]

It never was

You can click on their profile

If it's "Assist" it's not AH

Assist = Rhodes Island

[atomic harness]

👍

tyty

[atomic harness]

i hate these enemies

[full terrace]

😏

They heal everytime they hit something

[brisk surge]

I was sleeping

[full terrace]

Slow them down with Asca then dps

Problem solved

[brisk surge]

🥹

[smoky halo]

🚬

i exploded to confusing appearance cos i kicked yato

u didnt miss much

i am so washed now

[atomic harness]

not enough dps

[smoky halo]

what not playing for a month does to a mf

the old me wouldnt explode

[steel kiln]

How do you stall sarkaz guerilla fighters?

[full terrace]

You plop a blocker in front of him

[elder flume]

hmm i messed up

if i cant get another Kazi Model with 85 gold my run is kina dead

might be capped at 2 total

[oak sedge]

how tf does this work

[maiden hound]

Read her traits. Swipe Phase 1 with whatever she's weak to and same goes for Phase 2 - as fast as possible. Transfer the operator-lock cocoons with some hoes round the back end to take the bait.

She dies, you're good.

[oak sedge]

okay this my first playthrough

[maiden hound]

Ok.

[full terrace]

Read this #strategy message

And watch this for positioning reference #strategy message

[glass monolith]

Death by timeout i assume

[oak sedge]

ive finished it

[elder flume]

what a clownfest

[wary imp]

thanks for the video, i'll consider it

[prisma elk]

Uhhh why tf is this in my shop?

[wary imp]

you can just dump ur dps to theresa

[elder flume]

T4 Strong Tea is part of Barge 3 yes

[wary imp]

just make sure no other enemies enter the objective

[wary imp]

strong tea is indeed a t3 item

[prisma elk]

Coding error or it's just the way it is?

[elder flume]

idk if its wrong but generally you can have Barge +1 item

except Barge 1