7.5k lmd diff a day is effectively 75% gained from cursing
#r-i-i-c
silent nova
silent nova
it is what it is
silver wyvern
oh its much worse since chongyue also want OTHER sui
silent nova
yeah
silver wyvern
it is what it is
silent nova
no its correct
muted fjord
will I be able to drone proviso in 243 if I put 3rd factory to gold, or it won't be enough gold?
rigid plume
will I be able to drone proviso in 243 if I put 3rd factory to gold, or it won't...
Hi, fellow 243 user here.
I'm in 2/2 EXP/Gold and I'm continously losing the gold, about 0-2 per day.
Thankfully, Green Cert Shop and Credit Shop can pump me up with new bars, so I literally nullify this whole thing.
Without switching anything.
So you may just run same 2/2, if your production allows to lose less.
For reference, my team looks like this.
Shift change only once every 24h.
remote bison
on CN up until ch17, what skins were reran in the event shop?
wait this isnt hashtag help™
wtf
fixed the tailor and shamare's rotate position and my numbers are finally on a more consistent end
tender ravine
will I be able to drone proviso in 243 if I put 3rd factory to gold, or it won't...
With 3 gold fac, I think you can drone Proviso. I also do just that. 3 gold fac to gain gold, then change back to 2 gold to use these gold surplus.
magic mica
will I be able to drone proviso in 243 if I put 3rd factory to gold, or it won't...
Yes, you can - I do it and I'm not losing gold at the moment even tho I have slightly weaker production
muted fjord
Hi, fellow 243 user here.
I'm in 2/2 EXP/Gold and I'm continously losing the go...
but what do you drone? tp or gold?
rigid plume
but what do you drone? tp or gold?
Gold usually.
magic mica
With 2 gold facs you need to drone gold
muted fjord
will I be able to drone proviso in 243 if I put 3rd factory to gold, or it won't...
the question was about switching to 3 gold factories
3 gold : 1 exp
muted fjord
Yes, you can - I do it and I'm not losing gold at the moment even tho I have sli...
who do you have as proviso teammates?
magic mica
Quartz and Mousse, so I'm ~1 order less than you have
rigid plume
the question was about switching to 3 gold factories
To me, I don't need switching 3/1. It's up to you and your balance.
magic mica
You can always go 3 gold facs, stack up tons of gold and then go 2/2
astral tiger
the question was about switching to 3 gold factories
u can safely drone proviso with 3 gold facs
muted fjord
thanks everynyan!
silver wyvern
For reference, my team looks like this.
Shift change only once every 24h.
may i ask what logic behind only using 2 op for the fact
rigid plume
may i ask what logic behind only using 2 op for the fact
I literally made a whole squad with max of 20 ops simultaneously, so I can transfer all ops in Dorms at once.
Without need of login to game once again, without staggering, etc.
My current profit btw.
If you're curious.
As you can see, I can reach 60k, yet it sometimes unstable and can it give 35k daily.
hasty tiger
So you may just run same 2/2, if your production allows to lose less.
Wait what? You actively run 2/4/3 so you can have things max but... Don't use all your slots?
rigid plume
Wait what? You actively run 2/4/3 so you can have things max but... Don't use al...
...Yeah.
hasty tiger
Asanine 
rigid plume
And on top there's my results of my ass strat.
silver wyvern
production went up but so does my spending
i need to start considering using my other lvl2 fac to make more gold
or i guess just drone gold instead of proviso
magic mica
Nah, with 3 fac gold you should be able to drone proviso
Your teams need probably some fixing or they run out of morale
You should produce ~40 gold bars per gold fac
silver wyvern
You should produce ~40 gold bars per gold fac
i think my problem is i don't have all the gold fac skill that's good so I'm having to sub in with 25% worker
here are my base setup someone help made couple days ago
magic mica
Shouldn't you have more lvl 3 facs?
silver wyvern
also e2'd bryo just to bump up
silver wyvern
also mlynar have been making my trago team working nonestop for the past like
48hrs
they all have -0.25 md and mlynar make every factory have like -0.45
eternal mantle
What's the standard for "good" LMD per day in 2026? Assuming normal drone use.
pallid isle
I keep reading over nasti in the sheet and don't understand how she gets to 36%
never mind i just realized its only 2 rinelab operators 
pallid isle
What's the standard for "good" LMD per day in 2026? Assuming normal drone use.
65-70K lmd
if no proviso/fialess can be understandable if less
astral tiger
doesn't she include herself?
pallid isle
yes so its just dorothy + nasti
astral tiger
ah
astral tiger
thought they would take 3 rl as base
pallid isle
she can work by herself as a 40% so replaces my 30% i have paired with waaaifu and aroma
yeah shes alter
so she don't count
queen flicker
and mayer?
pallid isle
regular rhine
the nice thing here is that unlike mumu she requires always at minimum 1 less operator to max
astral tiger
wait nasti doesn't count silence alter?
pallid isle
no
astral tiger
fuck
pallid isle
neither does dorothy
astral tiger
ok
pallid isle
yeah but anything that checks rhine doesnt
so mumu also doesn't count silence alt nor agestene alt
astral tiger
I see
pallid isle
which makes that new alter even worse
could just keep using silence and have 1 extra space in base for the same production when using mumu
silver wyvern
does anyone know if its possible to balance out proivso production in a max right 252
or do you just have to take the L and make more gold
queen flicker
i guess you could drone gold
astral tiger
does anyone know if its possible to balance out proivso production in a max righ...
yes but u need very good teams
if u wanna keep droning her
silver wyvern
im running 3 gold and still at a neg
queen flicker
but i would do 3 gold facs and eventually when excess gold, switch to 3 exp for a while
pallid isle
same when I do cursed
silver wyvern
e2 bryo for her too, tho no e2 thorn alt yet but i cant imagine some % would make a big diff
pallid isle
yeah ok we are missing slots and thorns alt ok
queen flicker
im running 3 gold and still at a neg
by how much? are you counting daily rewards, monthly rewards, green certs, etc
astral tiger
not too significant
pallid isle
btw if its just slighly neg you can make it up remember through shop credits and outside of base stuff
pallid isle
but idk how neg we are talking here
queen flicker
i don't remember the amount, but i think someone made the calc and it was around 7 extra gold bars daily from outside base sources
pallid isle
feels so good finally have to have completely eliminated all 30%
well technically already did marcielle is 31% bro
well theres a few things I keep in mind about when next monthly shop is to buy all my gold bars sometimes get extra from credit shop and 1-7 spare gold drops I take into account but if its a massive gap then I can understand your just gonna have to drone gold
silver wyvern
im neg by like 10-15 daily
might put my other exp fac to make gold so i can keep droning proviso
pallid isle
4 gold pozy team would work
silver wyvern
no pozy
pallid isle
oh right fialess?
silver wyvern
ya
pallid isle
I mean idk
that looks fine to me
because usually I just end up managing via 1-7 side drops other stage side drops and events until end of months 
I have about that big of a gap I think usually?
I need to check more often to make sure
astral tiger
ig also level aroma to put her in lvl 2 fac
u might stabilize soon tho
106 should keep u floating a bit
just make sure to buy gold bars from credit store
whenever they show up
pallid isle
yeah your about 26K lmd away from equal
my base reports are bout 27K away from equal
silver wyvern
okay
magic mica
doro checks skill
Yeah, she instead skips Mayer xD
magic mica
"per x operator in BASE" only counts working ops?
astral tiger
can be in dorm
queen flicker
who are all rhine labs? saria, ptilopsis, dorothy, ifrit, astgenne, silence, magallan, dorothy. am I missing someone?
queen flicker
i was weak and pulled nasti. now i don't know how where to slot 4 rhine labs with 3 dorms only 
astral tiger
u dont have doro?
well
one can go to TR and WS
not sure if the trainee section of TR counts
queen flicker
durins already there
astral tiger
bru
yeah you're cooked
just put 1 in each dorm and uhh pray ig
if u had doro, could at least use ptilopsis in fac
queen flicker
maybe i could slot mayer somewhere
queen flicker
cc last column may look a bit confusing but thats just a flex spot whenever glasgow is on or not
theres a shift without durins tho
astral tiger
btw
instead of shoving automation for 4 shifts, couldn't u simply use vermeil or bubble team for that
they both last 60 hrs
queen flicker
yeah but no downtime
astral tiger
fair
queen flicker
automation is cheating downtime with staggers
queen flicker
my guess is if i have atleast 1 free dorm slot, nasti can replace haze for a crazy 31% wow, and fill rhine labs during durins downtime for the extra %
pallid isle
she counts herself remmber that
but you dopnt even have room for a second rhine is
feels so weird this theoretical 45% has been reduced to just a sub for me
or
a permenant 40% I suppose
thankfully her production works with waaifu unlike purestream
astral tiger
yeah
queen flicker
mizuki waiting room
queen flicker
my priority is in this order: mlynar, closure, pinus, mizuki
pallid isle
dorothy + nasti for a total of 75% doesn't help my 2 slot thats 115%
pallid isle
cc slot isn't worth bryo is so strong at 116% for triple then aroma waaifu is yeah lol
F
mylnar is so good
astral tiger
yea
pallid isle
I think I should run mylnar now actually for rest of day
my work and rotations don't sync kek
so I really should be using mylnar more
I even try to use dusk morale management sometimes
running 3 dorm is kinda wild gotta say
is this tr level 3 with level 1 everything else on right side?
i can't remember power numbers
astral tiger
he manages somehow
pallid isle
i mean ultimately I have thought about it
because theres so many cases where I micromanage a lot
and I just am throwing random crap in slots
usually I have quite a bit of extra room
would end up using more of the duplicates such as all the 20% pp and provence and eyja
tiny but can help
delphine vs amyia clone is a whole 1% difference so that helps cc stuff like that
orchid bane
dense python
<@&586570970345635868>
wild minnow
Hey guys. My trading posts only have 1 active order going at a time. How do I get multiple going? Im broke as heck. No LMD.
I havent played in a few years. Came back today. Pulled on nasti lmao. Lotta confusion and regret going on. But being broke the biggest issue rn 😭
silent nova
That's how it works
wild minnow
Whats the point of having like 18 order slots then? Im so confused
wild minnow
Aaaaaaaaaah. I got it
Is this the best way to earn LMD? I was doing the supply quest, but 36 stam for like 10k felt... not worth
astral tiger
yes, your base is the main lmd source
check out the base combo guide in pins, u can assign units in facilities based on what u have
remote bison
wait does pressing the blue button reset the ramp up?
rigid plume
Should, I guess
wind otter
It shouldn't as long as ramp ops stay in the same slot 
magic mica
wait does pressing the blue button reset the ramp up?
It will in this setup but if you place op with the ramp up first it should stay as long as the op isn't swapped
If you need to swap out Diamante it would be better to do it for Kafka or Bibeak or Paprika btw
queen flicker
in order for a +0.25 md worker to last for 36h in a lvl 3 tp/fac, it would need like 3 shifts of mlynar+4 smileys right?
astral tiger
yes
queen flicker
well. thats way too much smileys
astral tiger
yeah
queen flicker
rip this dream. maybe with chong yue or wisadel or a combination of them?
wisadel is -0.2md with civilight eterna 🤔
and still not enough md. not worth, would need too many cc slots and realistically i'm not saving enough pulls to get wisadel or chong yue anyway
i'll just do 2 shifts of kirara team
vestal bloom
Do ops in the training count towards skills like Mumu's or CY's?
Cause my numbers aren't changing whether I've got them in there or not
astral tiger
it does count
vestal bloom
In both slots?
queen flicker
rip this dream. maybe with chong yue or wisadel or a combination of them?
what if i replace closure first shift with wind chimes/firewhistle 🤔
queen flicker
i know you've told me that before but i still don't understand it (replying to msg below)
frank cipher
queen flicker
if im not mistaken something like this lets kirara last for exactly 36h. but this 3/4 shift uptime (at the cost of no closure on first shift, hoshi sub instead of main and less umiri shifts) is worth over simply doing 2/3? i'll try to do the calc
raw rover
Hello the people of RIIC
as i feel like the orundum farming guide in pins is outdated, ive made a new one
im wondering if anyone would like to check my maths or give any feedback on it
round lichen
I guess I really don’t see what you think was outdated about Malicast’s guide. You both advise people to farm rocks from 1-7, you both tell people to finish annihilation before they begin farming rocks, and you both come to a similar conclusion that orundum farming is an inefficient use of sanity that only becomes useful for players who put an outsize value on gacha pulls. The only real differences are that you tell people to farm red certs for module blocks and you factor the opportunity cost of switching TP to orundum into the sanity value of a pull. Those aren’t bad changes, but I don’t think you make a good case for Malicast’s guide being outdated or in need of revision/replacement
raw rover
the part regarding changing base specifically for orundum farming is extremely misleading
even if you throw all ur sanity into orundum farm you will not be able to support 1 factory + 1 trading post working on it
realistically you wont be changing ur base every couple days to orundum farm
theres also an amount of outdated takes
like mastery is only necessary if chasing high end cc
extra benefit being trust and green/yellow cert is also quite weird, its a followup of the pulls
frank cipher
Orundum farm for dummy
start base management
atleast lvl100(1y exp)
farm AO (optional)
round lichen
I’m wondering, if a player needs both alloy and crystals, would they be better off farming alloy from the event and spending parametric models on crystal, or farming crystal & buying alloy?
hybrid wren
<@&586570970345635868> hacked account here (spambot)
wind otter
that wasn't a hacked account, that was a lucky guy who got free Nitro
pallid isle
Where's my free orundum
vernal palm
like mastery is only necessary if chasing high end cc
this is still kind of true. obviously masteries make things easier because bigger numbers but theres very little in this game you could say is necessary outside of high risk CC and critical contention RA
raw rover
this is still kind of true. obviously masteries make things easier because bigge...
should we suggest using 4 operator only then because they clear out all content and is cheaper? 6 stars are not necessary
most ops want m3 for just better quality of use
vernal palm
that still doesn't make them necessary
I think the AK community makes too much hay out of 'meta' when the content that's even a significant concern in is the parts 99% of players wont even look at let alone attempt
raw rover
that still doesn't make them *necessary*
well yes, but if you put that in the guide wouldnt that be misleading to people? they'll think "hm ill orundum farm instead of doing m3"
vernal palm
"Masteries are great but are not a necessity in finishing content unless you seek high risk in CC" is an objectively true statement
There is no non-CC stage in the game that requires spending resources on masteries or modules. If someone does value roster completion highly over individual operator strength, that is something worth informing them of.
Which is presumably the type of person looking for advice on how to farm orundums efficiently.
pallid isle
For the sake of pure completion/"all rewards" the. This is true
I suppose though you have to add high difficulty 15+ IS to the "high end" cc category
And also that one event that tbf will never be rerun required masteries dos to add to the exceptions list
Ok and I keep this in mind of
620 does NOT require masteries either for CC
So what am I getting at? It's not required for anything in terms of medals or rewards
But to say it's just high end cc isn't entirely accurate either
IS HCM and CC are the main 3 right now and it's possible there could be more
vernal palm
IS6 at least does not need masteries even at D15, havent played the others up to that level yet so can't speak to them
sage bobcat
was reading the old messages, but can i confirm for Closure to reach similar gains with Sham Teq Bibeak, she needs to be paired with 2 other ops that give +76%?
magic mica
76% was for weaker tailoring iirc
round lichen
Review the discussion here
sage bobcat
Review the discussion here
ah missed out on this one. Was hoping to replace my Gnosis setup with Closure so I can free up one CC slot (and easier rotations for my setup) but guess im sticking with Gnosis for my gains then LOL. Thanks!
little ledge
Ok so
252,2 gold 2 xp 1 flex
How to 3 gold,but stagnant? Alr tried pushing Proviso x chimken
Or maybe 2 gold
frank cipher
chimken? 2 gold wouldn't sustain prov
hasty tiger
Fia is chicken presumably
hasty tiger
Ok so
252,2 gold 2 xp 1 flex
How to 3 gold,but stagnant? Alr tried pushing Provi...
What do you mean by stagnant
little ledge
What do you mean by stagnant
Usually i'm having a noticeable surplus on gold production
I don't want that
I want a stable gold production that is good enough to be used to collect orders from tp
hasty tiger
you're droning prov with all drones? Your other tp team is good? If yes, than you may simply just need to accept the flex philosophy and run 3 gold with surplus until you hit x amount and move to 2 gold to kill the surplus and swap back
Trying to hit some magic exact number to be exactly equal isnt likey
2 basically impossible to reach equal, and 3 if you have good times is simply going to always give some excess
little ledge
Noted
hasty tiger
Above somewhere Bengal was talking about running 2/4/3 and being slightly negative told with 2 gold 2 exp
Makes up the difference in monthly green certs and quests
But also drones gold
so yes that's probably pretty close to equal but at the sacrifice of droning prov
little ledge
Do i need to use one of my lvl 3 fac or i can just randomly choose which one is for gold/fac?
hasty tiger
You'd have to test that yourself. Depends on your teams. Someone might have math for best output for lvl2 and lvl3 teams but it isn't me
little ledge
You'd have to test that yourself. Depends on your teams. Someone might have math...
Hmm ok
silent nova
i make like 120 gold / day and i'm -20 gold / day when droning proviso
so either your gold eams are just goated or your tp teams aren't
jaunty notch
i make like 120 gold / day and i'm -20 gold / day when droning proviso
about your prev closure calcs, you made sure the orders were 144m right?
queen flicker
i have to confess something. i downgraded a fac and built a 4th dorm. its been a few days and so far... it feels great
pale yoke
urban orchid
Huh the forget to take 300 credit still work?
rigid plume
Huh the forget to take 300 credit still work?
Yes. If you click Dashboard, it will give missing 300 from previous week.
And it still accumulates for this one.
So you can do +600
silver wyvern
how is my variance so high
these are all more or less with proviso up at somepoint
5.23 is with her off for like 12hr
silver wyvern
huh, i always log when I'm free and claim them, i donno if variance would be that high tho
astral tiger
so u can end up with inflated/deflated numbers
the one before this was around 50k
for context
cuz normally I claim before reset
this one I didn't login in time
like last claim would be 6hrs ago or smth
so if u do want to find how much you're actually making, just login a few mins before reset and claim
silent nova
about your prev closure calcs, you made sure the orders were 144m right?
Yeah
Actually I don't know what you mean
My calcs have no drones cuz its mostly a function of order prod mult who wins and I don't know peoples drone count
astral tiger
previously the docs mentioned closure orders being 2hrs (120mins)
however her orders are 144mins
he's just confirming that u calc'd with the right time in mind
jaunty notch
I'm using 144
so you calced that if closure partners are up til a certain %, it'll surpass sham team?
Did you cross check with optima's sheet on that as well?
silent nova
Does he have a sheet on it
silver wyvern
so if u do want to find how much you're actually making, just login a few mins b...
i did claim before reset so idk where the variance come from
i guess proviso hitting more low time trade
proper kraken
if I only rotate twice a day, 243 > 252 right?
silent nova
no
astral tiger
i did claim before reset so idk where the variance come from
Like you're consistently claiming sometime before reset everyday?
silver wyvern
yea
silver wyvern
usually i get off work by 5:30 so i spend some time loggin in before going for food
proper kraken
no
hmm, what guide should I be reading in 2026 then? I've been on a weird 252 with fully upgraded right side for a while but wanted to check what the consensus is, given I rotate twice a day at most but use the shortcuts only
astral tiger
252 is better regardless
just check the base combo guide in pins and adjust your ops for better prod if you're looking to improve your gains
proper kraken
just check the base combo guide in pins and adjust your ops for better prod if y...
oh, I should just be picking and choosing the rotation shifts based on who I own? do you set all 3 shifts or just 2
I only ever click the quick rotate button
astral tiger
also I'll add, if u rotate twice it's ideal for 252
astral tiger
oh, I should just be picking and choosing the rotation shifts based on who I own...
U can't setup staggered shifts for lvl 3 fac since not enough preset slots
u can do that for lvl 2 fac tho
proper kraken
oh, bleh good to know
astral tiger
if u don't stagger then can just setup a good combo in lvl 3 fac and let them work till 36hrs
proper kraken
are there any premade entire base combos in that guide? I didn't see any
astral tiger
which is 3 12h shifts, unless u have mlynar and the like that can extend shifts
astral tiger
are there any premade entire base combos in that guide? I didn't see any
I think there's sample rotations in the info section
forgot which section
but you're better off setting up your own
since you will most likely be missing some ops
can also just ask for help here
also not sure what all is there in the sample rotations since I didn't properly check it lol
so if u find one that fits to a T, then ggs
proper kraken
but you're better off setting up your own
yeah, I see most of them have chongus rip
tyty
jaunty notch
Does he have a sheet on it
it's the usual sheet in TP tab
silent nova
where's closue in that tab
jaunty notch
where's closue in that tab
silent nova
oh i see it
The disparity comes from me using the old rates and optima using the new rates
I'm still using old rates since I never found the new ones for tp2
And updating tp3 and not tp2 makes comparision between the two less legit IMO
thorny flame
when can i switch my battle records factories to orundum factories? (keeping the gold facs and LMD tps for money while stockpiling orundum rocks)
frank cipher
anytime as long you have enough rock
glad hill
How do I calculate work hours again?
orchid bane
For 5 random useless CC op
Fac Tp lv3 -0.65 morale/hr
Lv2 -0.7 iirc
Other buildings -0.75m/hr
astral tiger
How do I calculate work hours again?
Current morale/morale consumption per hour
so like red said, for a lvl 3 fac:
Work time = 24/0.65 = 36.923..
so roughly 37hrs
magic mica
when can i switch my battle records factories to orundum factories? (keeping the...
Anytime you want to really, but try to have enough rocks to use a full shift of it and a set of oru workers to speed it up properly - ideally some 115% between the ops
sage bobcat
actually, im confused. Why is Closure + Shamre + Filler 80% instead of 90%?
jaunty notch
actually, im confused. Why is Closure + Shamre + Filler 80% instead of 90%?
because closure has +10
valid storm
because closure has +10
+10 uselessness?
frank cipher
+10 scam tax
rigid plume
+10 uselessness?
+10 vampire attraction.
(I love those)
https://tenor.com/view/arknights-warfarin-arknights-warfarin-shake-laugh-lol-gif-4851548274539828231
valid storm
+10 vampire attraction.
nah, Waffie is more attractive than Midure
little ledge
Anyone has counted the average time used when M3ing skills using Logoat/Irene?
sage bobcat
because closure has +10
if i base on the sheet, would it be right for me to say that based on tp3% alone,
Gnosis in CC: SA + Jaye + Swire Alter would still beat Closure + Vigil + Bellone (for example)
round lichen
No, that sheet is showing the raw productivity numbers converted to real LMD produced. You would need to either know the average LMD/day of the combo you’re comparing against, or adjust the productivity with Closure’s multiplier to properly compare them
jaunty notch
since closure locks order type, you'll have better accuracy
round lichen
I guess the multiplier-adjusted productivity is in the “TP prod contribution” column
sage bobcat
I guess the multiplier-adjusted productivity is in the “TP prod contribution” co...
yea i am comparing with these numbers (although I am not sure if I am doing right)
round lichen
In that case, then just Vigil + Bellone would lose because they are 80%. But with Umiri in CC they would win
sage bobcat
guess its gonna be hard for me to try to get that 90% since it's just replacing a Gnosis slot in CC for something else. Thanks for helping to clarify btw! Really appreciate it
silent mountain
should i switch out a lvl 3 fac or a lvl 2 fac to increase exp earnings?
silent mountain
cc isn't priority atm
pallid isle
Its probably fine with no automation to just use a level 3 factory instead for exp
but some choices here aren't making much sense still
kiara and snowant isn't doing anything in that tp
its like 10%
rosmontis doesn't make sense to use without her other pieces
clue rate up is a scam but rr is kinda whatever 
magic mica
Not really, you don't have ops with -cap there?
Normally to overcap a lvl2 fac you'd need ~18 gold bars iirc
astral tiger
is it normal that my lvl 2 gold fac is overcaping in 12h?
yes
lvl 2 is just doodoo