strategy

[scarlet mortar]

it's basically proto-TfN

VI-7

in order you had faust, the big ugly, the knight bros and then pat

[glass monolith]

https://youtu.be/hDfclXKuIbo?si=v3Qq66DCFpjNfj55

[hollow crystal]

What a Point, i'm literally blind for not thought of about this (For real, not sarcasm)

[sly drift]

What if ones absolutely suck at doing the said subject

[hollow crystal]

openers from what i understand, i usually deploy Cantabile (gives dp while also attack and hold a lane in early times) and Myrtle (cause, dp Printer), for lanes i treat it like a flowgate, searching for places/spots the enemies go the most and eliminate them there. For enemies... ehhh.... i didn't check on that enough...

or for some case where i need to block many enemies at once in the beginning i'll add cuora with canta or just put gavialter

thank you for the simple chart, though sadly i don't have Wish A Deal (missed the banner)

just did this, after 3-4 attempts, improved from 190 to 172 then 282 on Dossoles Annihilation

If there's something off on what i did, i do take advices

[scarlet mortar]

sounds fine

the general advice is just to keep doing that and ironing out your strats

eventually it'll just come down to knowing which enemies (are more likely to) spawn where

and slot in the corresponding dps

for general play that's as far as strategy goes, for higher end content you'll want to save some extra DP and prep a buffer/debuffer too

[glass monolith]

Higher rarity cost more to build. 3* and 4* defenders good enough for most content with enough healing. Second promotion in own squad will allow to friend support anything (as long as you find player who set that unit on support)

[scarlet mortar]

that's also more specific content so you'll cross that bridge when you get to it

[sly drift]

Just found this IS#5 newest tier list (Real)

[hollow crystal]

i became glad after seeing higher end, cause i don't even really have a decent support unit

[glass monolith]

If you YouTube search "high end" for arknights it will lead to guides which use several 6* characters to reduce the amount of brain needed to minimum

[hollow crystal]

in terms of battle capability and strength, right?

[sly drift]

In term of real

[hollow crystal]

seems so, but what's the blue mark means

like Maxed out?

[spark sinew]

is mod

[hollow crystal]

or just elite 2 or max pot

[spark sinew]

it's clearly just that

because there are only 3 marks

4

[glass monolith]

IS#5 is a rogue-lite mode where you limited by operators you recruited during run, highest rarity cost more to add so people aim to bring peak of peak (Wisadel).

[spark sinew]

you get the idea

[sly drift]

I'm really curious about Ros spec mod tho. Still don't see any single showcase video

[spark sinew]

also it ranks only 6 star

but 5* seem to get used quite a bit

ros mod is broken as shit

those pillars stay on field forever

[sly drift]

Do u have video..maybe bilibili or some shit

[spark sinew]

in is5 specifically you also can force flinger hand

vid of what, the stats of pillar or some clears with her?

[hollow crystal]

i see

[sly drift]

Maybe hard map clear using her

[hollow crystal]

seems i haven't touched that thit also

[spark sinew]

wait you might not be following cn

"IS mod" refers to new batches of mods that only work in IS

they cost 3 module blocks (and only them) to max out

idt en has any yet

[spark sinew]

I'll share if I'll find them accidentally

[hollow crystal]

yes i don't, i'm highly attracted, but haven't really been diving Arknights deeper

though maybe this is the moment

[glass monolith]

I check CN only for upcoming characters or modules, spoilers of stages not my style

[hollow crystal]

cool style

[nocturne cove]

Minus another 5 star that is unique and fun to use

I raised blacknight

[glass monolith]

Look at what you have and pick someone duh, idk

[nocturne cove]

No

You have experience using 5 stars

I don't

[glass monolith]

I have experience by using same few 5s. Shamare, Kroos alter, Warf, Nearl

[regal frost]

@slender elbow when were you gonna tell us perfumer is a 6 star?

[merry narwhal]

Accuracy isn't AI's strong suit

[nocturne cove]

@keen gull

How did it turn out?

[keen gull]

Ulpianless lmak

So cooked

[nocturne cove]

How many pulls?

[keen gull]

Atleast the pity get transferred tho

[keen gull]

Like 10 pulls in

[nocturne cove]

You don't have executor altwr

?

[keen gull]

I do

[nocturne cove]

Wtf

Pulling for nymph then?

[keen gull]

Ye

[nocturne cove]

Alright

Gl

[keen gull]

Gotta test my luck somehow yk

[nocturne cove]

Got in 7

[keen gull]

Thanks

[nocturne cove]

Thanks?

Oh sure may you be victorious

Lol

[glass monolith]

Got in like 67 or 68. Homie crashed my hopes for 69 joke as he crush enemies with skills

[keen gull]

Dang lucky

[lapis hornet]

ok but why you flexing in strat

[glass monolith]

because event is easy so everyone collectively agreed to not strategize for next 2 weeks?

[full terrace]

Uh.. 50 pulls for Ulpian 😭

Painful painful

[pure orchid]

Same boat here

47 and all i got was a mlynar dupe

he's pot3 now

[full terrace]

Wow.. I'm sorry to hear that.

I still havent recovered from Wisadel banner, my Orundum is really tight

Guess I have to top up again in December if I really want Nymph

[pure orchid]

Do you want nymph?

[full terrace]

I want Nymph for IS5 yes

Actually it's Nymph > Ulpianus for me

Try changing your background to this for luck 😆

[pure orchid]

Isnt is5 piss easy tho

[full terrace]

Look at those bill notes flying around, definitely luck 🤣

[pure orchid]

You're suggesting that as if that worked for you

[full terrace]

I got 2x 4-Star bags in 30 pulls, changing the background and I got Ulpian in the next 20 🤣

[pure orchid]

Maybe the bill notes flying around is symbolic of our orundum savings going away after trying to get Ulpianus

[full terrace]

Also true 😂

[regal frost]

with relic abuse yes

there's a relic from encounters that gives you hand then king relics from wish nodes

[full terrace]

I plan to play d15 ending 4, it's a bit tougher for me if I dont have Nymph's fear lock.

[regal frost]

also makes it so you have a higher chance of getting wish nodes when rerolling nodes

is fun

[pure orchid]

one last 10 pull and im dippin for exalt

[full terrace]

Best of luck

[pure orchid]

oh wow blue bag, this hurts

[full terrace]

Oh drat 😭

[pure orchid]

I will just take this as a sign that Ulpi is not for me

now THIS is the real flex

[regal frost]

let's be broke together

[pure orchid]

Jokes on you suraj, ive always been broke

I didnt choose the broke life, the broke life chose me

[regal frost]

nymph was before Pepe in cn right?

looks like I'm skipping nymph

[full terrace]

We all havent recovered from Wisadel banner it seems

[regal frost]

no

[full terrace]

Please give us a dead month to recover 🤣

[regal frost]

all my orundum disappeared on wis

then again on ulpianus

[pure orchid]

I didnt skip ulpianus, ulpianus skipped me fr

[regal frost]

I want nymph, Pepe, dungeon meshi, fox milf, thorns alter

[pure orchid]

Ulpi will rerun anyways, exalt won't

[lapis hornet]

ok mods can we doing something about everyone posting their pulls here like wdf

[regal frost]

so I guess I skip nymph?

[nocturne cove]

For some reason idk why my texas alter s2 doesnt spawn those high ground tiles when defeating the enemies

But everyone else does

[pure orchid]

Im mods and unfortunately we cant do anything about it

[nocturne cove]

Is it a bug?

[gilded fjord]

what is the stage that i can use pullers to enemy into a hole?

[full terrace]

Plenty of stages allow you to do that

[nocturne cove]

Nvm I got the answer

[full terrace]

@pure orchid guess I'm playing AH now. How do I raise this family with limited resources? 😧

[pure orchid]

Uh, gladiia?

[full terrace]

She is Lv60 E2

[regal frost]

mod 3 them alll

[pure orchid]

Id only run ulpi specalt gladiia and run

[full terrace]

Flex

[pure orchid]

those are 3 laneholders and whatever busted bozos i can find

[regal frost]

oh also

we have eyja alter rerun before Pepe

apparently

so at least we can get some gold certs

[pure orchid]

where is this information coming from

[narrow pendant]

Datamine info
Ban him

[regal frost]

you said the d word not me smh

anyway that means nymph is right after pepe

[pure orchid]

Underflow is such a goofy ahh name

[regal frost]

and then dungeon meshi is right after nymph

[pure orchid]

Ill make you flow under

[regal frost]

[regal frost]

I'll make you overflow -

[full terrace]

Uh.. Dungeon Meshi is a bad banner but my FOMO is killing me.

[pure orchid]

Okay not that

[pure orchid]

Fuck you cant be serious

I need dunmeshi

[regal frost]

same

[nocturne cove]

Marcille

[regal frost]

also same

[narrow pendant]

But nymph was before pepe for cn wasnt she?

[regal frost]

yeah

[glass monolith]

Guys guys guys Kernel expanded

[regal frost]

but our banners get weird around anniversary

[nocturne cove]

Kaltsit and who?

[pure orchid]

Thats some crazy resched

[nocturne cove]

Is sweetness overload

[narrow pendant]

Sir

[nocturne cove]

The hello kitty?

[regal frost]

yes

[nocturne cove]

I need op for skin

😔

[narrow pendant]

Suraj

[pure orchid]

Go get ya op on ulpi

[narrow pendant]

Was nymph after pepe in cn too

[regal frost]

I thought she was before

but I'll double check

[regal frost]

I'll sell you these for 20 op each

[nocturne cove]

I am converting each op I get immediately so that I don't buy IS levels, or on sanity and deprive myself of pulling

I have to do it

[glass monolith]

Weedy / Thorns / Eunectes / Surtr / Blemi / Mudrock / Mountain / Archetto / Saga / Passenger / Kal / Carnelian / Pallas

[nocturne cove]

Or I will waste OP

I already bought like 50 is level

😭

[narrow pendant]

Stupif

And #help is going crazy

[nocturne cove]

ik but I needed lmd

Like

So bad

I couldn't stop myself

[lofty stag]

ong its like a warzone

[versed arrow]

or you can just play IS normally

[lofty stag]

yeah also stupid

[nocturne cove]

How?

Lemme check

Who these new ppl

[lofty stag]

at least strategy is calmer

[nocturne cove]

Wait what were the farming stages again

[narrow pendant]

Help i cant beat stage 9

[nocturne cove]

#bot-spam

[narrow pendant]

[lofty stag]

5 6 7

7 is the best one i think

[nocturne cove]

Ah thanks

[lofty stag]

cause its a very used mat

[nocturne cove]

Kohl is such a basic need

Yeah

[versed arrow]

stage 9 is just surviving the waves, no? I didnt bring aa and it still got done

[lofty stag]

but also the goddamn tile creator mobs are SOOO annoying for my autos

[regal frost]

Pepe and nymph cn dates

so they were a month apart

[nocturne cove]

I hope we don't get any dead weeks

It's so boring without any event

[regal frost]

I hope we do

[nocturne cove]

No why

[regal frost]

I need time to save

[nocturne cove]

Bad

[full terrace]

I need a dead month, not a dead week

[narrow pendant]

I hope nymph comes after pepe for us

[nocturne cove]

Yesh

[narrow pendant]

Cuz im down to like, 10 pulls

[nocturne cove]

Would be good

Dang

[regal frost]

Im really tempted to farm orundum

[narrow pendant]

Used 3 more on ulpipi, got a dupe
Spent 20 on vivi banner for lols, got another degen dupe and gnosis

[regal frost]

but I need crystalline fuck

[narrow pendant]

[nocturne cove]

Btw

[lofty stag]

@nocturne cove @narrow pendant check dms

[regal frost]

was that with gold certs

[regal frost]

what about me

[scarlet fulcrum]

Dude wtf, event shop selling guard chip, not defender. Now i cant e2 underflow

[narrow pendant]

Wait wtf why

[nocturne cove]

Yes

[regal frost]

it has 5 guard chips for ulpianus

[narrow pendant]

They always sell chip thats the walfare

[scarlet fulcrum]

unique indeed

[regal frost]

guys do I skip Pepe or skip nymph

[nocturne cove]

Bad decisions and me

Name a better duo

[lofty stag]

now check dms

[regal frost]

ohh

[narrow pendant]

Or is that supposed to be like a fix cuz people are fucking dumb, dont prefarm chips and then complain they cant lvl up ops cuz chip stage closed

[scarlet fulcrum]

Skip pepe

Get 1 6* atleast

[regal frost]

that's what I said earlier above anyway lol

I really hope I get Pepe in 50 pulls

I don't wanna have to spark her a year later

[lofty stag]

imma get a tuta and pepe and dip

[narrow pendant]

Now thay i think about

Was it u suraj that wanted ray offrate

[regal frost]

YES

first femn stole her

now you

anyway

[lofty stag]

[regal frost]

if I use all my selectors I can get 69 gold certs

82 if I count the selector from anniversary

maybe this can save me

[lofty stag]

also did yall try out the new training stages yet

[glass monolith]

Huh. Never knew Pallas was solo banner, like no new 5*s

[full terrace]

This can be used on an E0 Lv1? @regal frost

Or must it be E2

[regal frost]

has to be e2

[lofty stag]

must be e2

[full terrace]

Gotcha

[regal frost]

I used my E2 and level 80 ticket on Heidi since she benefits most

[full terrace]

How about this one? @regal frost

[glass monolith]

READ

HELL

[full terrace]

Chill out Minus

[lofty stag]

no hes right

READ

HELL

[full terrace]

@lofty stag thank you very much I didnt ask for your opinion.

[scarlet fulcrum]

Click use, and u will understand right away

[nocturne cove]

What in the actual fuck was that boss stage

Bro didn't even attack

Is this a joke event?

😭

[full terrace]

Oh you can preview like that? Good to know

[late bane]

He gives buffs to mobs

[nocturne cove]

Ofc it was first try and I didn't know mechanics

[regal frost]

@proud temple no slow mode here

[proud temple]

:c

[nocturne cove]

Hold on a minute

[proud temple]

I got ulpi in 20 pulls lmao

[nocturne cove]

It was BP-8 lmao

I didn't see bp-9

[proud temple]

I first got fia and I lost hope

[regal frost]

you happy now smh

[late bane]

Bp-9 is easy too

[proud temple]

Mine is still not e2

[regal frost]

and you call yourself a gavial simp

[proud temple]

Also my alt is stacked damn

[nocturne cove]

Gavial have gradient hair??

So cool

[proud temple]

Yeah I'm not a diehard simp

I just like her

I'm really tired

It's 3 am

[regal frost]

seems possible to E2 14 4*s in a month right?

[scarlet fulcrum]

Has no luck on alt, got ines dupe instead. Ig its the real luck?

[jovial nest]

the new enemy types that make path-blocking ranged tiles is gonna be interesting in this event and in future content it can be added to

[proud temple]

Do y'all know about this

Free orundum

[regal frost]

oh

[winged heath]

i wish i have atleast one 6 star medic

[regal frost]

I didn't realise they added that already

[scarlet fulcrum]

1 6* medic is free

[proud temple]

My alt has Flametail, balze and saria

I don't think I'll use flame often

[scarlet fulcrum]

Well paired with vivi in base

[proud temple]

Erm

No vivi

[scarlet fulcrum]

Good acc

[proud temple]

I'll send some screenshots hold on

[lofty stag]

chat do i use insta e2 on scene for base, or save it for tin man

[proud temple]

I'm at like tr6 or smth

Oh and I haven't used insta e2 yet

[scarlet fulcrum]

Welp nvm then, i thought u have nothing to do

[nocturne cove]

Clementia is hot wew

[scarlet fulcrum]

Just focus on ur 6* dps

[regal frost]

oh it's his alt dw

[lofty stag]

youre gonna change your pfp now huh

[nocturne cove]

Lemme read the story first

And no

[proud temple]

Hey help me nerd

[nocturne cove]

Ermengarde

Better

[lofty stag]

fair

[proud temple]

[regal frost]

noob

[proud temple]

Wow

Fine

I'll do it my own way

[regal frost]

E1 your 3*s

spot, fang, kroos, Stewart, ansel

[proud temple]

Nuh uh

6* first

[regal frost]

then you can do blaze and lap

[proud temple]

Oh

I used 6* selector on saria

[regal frost]

I noticed

[proud temple]

Got blaze from kernel

I used the free 10x headhunting perms

[regal frost]

you should tell #help you pulled kernel

oh

nvm then

[proud temple]

[regal frost]

they'd still have a stroke at the mention of kernel though

[proud temple]

Who do I use insta e2 on

Tequila?

Or kroosy

[regal frost]

uh

well kroos alter good for is3

[proud temple]

I am not doing high diff is3

[regal frost]

do high diff IS5

[proud temple]

I don't even know how to use Kroos alter

[proud temple]

No

[regal frost]

she's kroos but hotter

[proud temple]

This is my squad

Lmk if I should change anything

[proud temple]

Yeah I've seen arts of her

[regal frost]

can ditch plume

for Stewart

[proud temple]

What else?

I'll see your reply when I wake up

I'm too tired

[regal frost]

can swap saria for spot for now

since you'll E1 him for base anyway

[autumn robin]

What is this e1lv1 run?

[regal frost]

no it's his alt

[willow ermine]

Should I elite 2 max level (using those free thingies) exusiai, mountain or ela or should I wait for a better character for that?

[regal frost]

it's for 5*s

not 6

[willow ermine]

Oh nvm

Amiya you're getting buffed

[full terrace]

If you are super new, I suggest Lappland instead.

[lapis hornet]

the tickets only work on 5* so

[willow ermine]

I don't have lappland, welp guess i'm waiting till I get her, I love that crazy luppo anyway

[full terrace]

You didnt choose her with the beginner ticket?

[willow ermine]

... Well I came in as a warfarin simp ok, I started liking her after I already started playing

I got warfarin with the beginner ticket, I know it's not a smart idea

[lapis hornet]

it's fine

[full terrace]

I'm not judging, Warfarin is also decent.

I'm just saying Lappland is best candidate for the buff

[willow ermine]

Yeah then i'm probably gonna hold onto those until i get lappy

[full terrace]

This update changes everything.. from now on, newbie gonna start with a maxed unit and borrow Wisadel right from chapter 0

Those oldie guides are pretty much useless now

[willow ermine]

I used wisadel to carry me on a few occasions

And im level 27

[full terrace]

E1 Wis and E2 Wis are different. There is a massive gap between E1 and E2.

[willow ermine]

Kinna wanted to ask if this team is good (I just got croissant I'm gonna get her up to e1 soon if she decent, blacknight is my next to e1)

[full terrace]

It's good

[lapis hornet]

can probs kick sesa sideroca for someone else

[willow ermine]

Ok

I mean I have reed, but I don't like her a lot, is she good?

[lapis hornet]

5* or 6

[full terrace]

Which Reed? Reed the Flame Shadow?

[willow ermine]

Yeah reed the flame shadow

[willow ermine]

6

[lapis hornet]

oh

she's v good

[full terrace]

She is one of the best units ingame so yes

[willow ermine]

... How did Not know that

[lapis hornet]

she's like a caster that can heal tho

[willow ermine]

Welp, guess sideroca is out

[lapis hornet]

be careful cause if there's no enemy she won't heal you might get cucked because of that

[willow ermine]

Unless 3 healers is too many

[willow ermine]

That's kind of why I thought she was kinna mid

[lapis hornet]

she does humongous amount of damage tho

esp if you know how to use her s2 which isn't too difficult

[tidal sedge]

wait sorry

I thought this was help

[willow ermine]

I'm probably gonna replace sesa with ulpianus if I get him

[lapis hornet]

uh

sure

gl

[willow ermine]

Thanks, i'm probably gonna need it

Oh also is there any way to know how much pity you got on banners or not?

[lapis hornet]

rn no

have to do it manually

[full terrace]

For a banner like Ulpi, you can check the Focus Selection points.

But if you pulled a 6 Star, it's gone.

[lapis hornet]

only works if you never hit a 6 star

ya

[willow ermine]

So that?

Welp, says 0, kinna screwed

[full terrace]

Not screwed, if you have like 60 failed 6 Star pull before this banner, you have slightly increased odds for Ulpianus.

After 50 pulls iirc, you get like +2%

[lapis hornet]

oh

that's only for current banner

if you have leftover from previous one it won't show

[near cypress]

LMAO Reedter S3 is so funny on map 9 of this event

actually hilarious, it nearly crashed my game when I activated it, but when the freeze ended a couple seconds later, all the 100ish enemies were gone

[full terrace]

Alright daily done, it's time to read this BP story.

[willow ermine]

Idk does that banner with viviana count as limited?

Cuz I did quite a few on that one

[full terrace]

No, Viviana is Standard.

[willow ermine]

Viviana and ebenholz

Huh interesting, cuz it was using the yellow tickets not the blue ones, so guess that one is considered standard

[lapis hornet]

wait

[glass monolith]

Blue ticket is Kernel only. Yellow is anything. Avoid using anything outside blue tickets on Kernel

[lapis hornet]

no it's Standard it counts for standard pity I meant

and yeah don't pull kernel unless you're really sure of what you're doing

[glass monolith]

My tactic for Kernel is shoperator people i miss in there

[willow ermine]

Yeah for the kernel I only use the blue tickrts dw

[full terrace]

Gladiia default skin is so ugly. @regal frost do you know when her skin rerun is?

[glass monolith]

Which is uhhh... Holy shit i am missing only 5 6* from Kernel

[spark sinew]

doesn't she get new skin this event

[full terrace]

She does?

[lapis hornet]

yes

[full terrace]

I didnt check I'm sorry

I'm gonna go check

[lapis hornet]

portrair better than first skin

idk if animation as good tho

[spark sinew]

ok yeah it's literally up

[lapis hornet]

i mean in-game sprites

[hazy sinew]

she literally has a new skin this event

[spark sinew]

not too sure if new skin is better portrait wise though

i have a cursed info about first one, but they still look about the same to me

~second skin even looks a bit worse~~

[full terrace]

Ah her sprite still has that ugly hat 😂

[spark sinew]

wtf!

[lapis hornet]

no way man

look at dis it's like something ate her chin

her cheeks looks like it's still got babyfat or smth

[spark sinew]

but is this better

[lapis hornet]

it's weird but at least she's got a chin

[spark sinew]

something about that eye is bothering me

[full terrace]

Her portrait is pretty yeah

But the sprite still bothers me

With the ugly hat

I want Ulpian to remove his hat as well 🤣

[spark sinew]

first skin doesn't have one

but also, how dare you!

[full terrace]

Ohhh I love this first skin

Is it ever coming back

[spark sinew]

effects are also nice

ye

[full terrace]

Okay I'm skipping this one

I'll just wait for that one

[lapis hornet]

first skin has a hat in game also

wonder if there's a side by side with skin 1 and 2 cause I rly like her ingame sprites on skin 1

[full terrace]

Really? Awws

[spark sinew]

wait it does

[spark sinew]

why doesn't it show ingame then

ok, so "base" doesn't have it

and in-game only shows you base

[full terrace]

She is so pretty without hat.

[spark sinew]

oh, Base as in, literally in-game base

pepe event

buy it for base meta 🫡

[lapis hornet]

okay uh

animations aren't too different

new skin bit more exaggerated/bit more effects ig

wait this is strat lol

[spark sinew]

man why did i buy mod3 for glad...

[full terrace]

Buying skins to motivate you play - it's a strategy to keep you motivated, valid strat 👍

[lapis hornet]

you want to play ah obvs

there's always hype for it

cause obviously you want hp regen on your puller

[spark sinew]

i'm poor as shit now 🫡
thankfully those future events got me

[full terrace]

I have mod3 too 🤣

[spark sinew]

mid as shit

[full terrace]

I have been anticipating AH play for the longest time

[glass monolith]

I had fun with BP-8. Then 'Abandoned' happened

[lofty stag]

is that a boss ability?

[glass monolith]

No it is that tanky splash thingy

My totter does 0 damage to it with S2M3

[lofty stag]

i kind of shoved my entire roster into that stage

so i didnt really notice

[glass monolith]

Ahahah boss died but before death he healed this pile of 30 shits to full

[lofty stag]

didnt matter cause logos cracked

[glass monolith]

Let me check stars, 1 2 3 4 5... Sorry too many i can't count that high

Okay time to release my secret weapon

(pulls up Shamare)

IT CAN DESPAWN FUCKING TOWER?

[lofty stag]

what tower

like the high ground tiles?

[glass monolith]

Boss phase 2 has skill which bans tiles if targeted operator dies
It can ban event burn tower with it

[regal frost]

oh

use ah team

[lofty stag]

ohhh, wait does it actually easy kill

cause no one died in my run

easy medal trim

didnt need ah either

[glass monolith]

oh. Right.... medal...

FUCK

[regal frost]

easiest event we've had in a while

[lofty stag]

boss wishes it could be endspeaker 🥱

[glass monolith]

Then we get Pepe event where boss can be shift blocked into hole by kindergardeners

[lofty stag]

then again

i brought both ejyalter and shu

so maybe thats why no one died

[regal frost]

my andrena died cause I deployed her last

[glass monolith]

Birds prio ranged anyways

[regal frost]

bastards

[lofty stag]

if it makes you feel better

[regal frost]

give money?

[lofty stag]

trim medal allows max 2 dead from ability

[lofty stag]

no

[regal frost]

[glass monolith]

Wait why boss is 8th stage but medal says there is 9 stages?.... Oh noooo

[lofty stag]

bp 9 is even more easy

its basically survive until enemies are nuked by stage 3 times

[glass monolith]

Ah yes. Not dying is something i am very good at gaming

(Looks on my 200 deaths before second boss in first try of Dark Souls)

[lofty stag]

thats the problem

you play dark souls

i dont

[jovial nest]

ok the new tutorial stages in archives is pretty good

it even uses new enemy types to prove that point

[lofty stag]

surely its gonna stop unnecessary questions in #help right

[jovial nest]

nah

its more of

"go back and do those archive tutorials"

"and stop skipping dialogue!"

[lofty stag]

"what archive tutorials"

[jovial nest]

damn

it even taught me that ranged ops, even when blocking, still do their prio targeting

[glass monolith]

Because they don't have melee attack to be locked in

[jovial nest]

huh

i guess it really never mattered for me cause i try to either prevent it (wandering medics), or the effects of the elemental burst kills the ops anyways (d15 IS3)

[opaque aspen]

Message:#help message

So i sent this a while back and was recommended kroos despite me having archetto and ela. I know there isn't any good option in this big bundle of 5 stars but i wanted to try something new and something which could work well despite not being meta. I believe it's time for me to look at fun ops more than powerfull ones so i'm once again asking if there is any op that fits that description before i commit for the safest choice.

[jovial nest]

if you want fun but with a bit of challenge, Robin can be an option.

any other options i see are more pragmatic

[maiden spire]

Why did Logos simply stopped attacking here? Before him I had Eyja there and she had the same problem.

[jovial nest]

have you read what the boss can do?

it's an effect of theirs

[maiden spire]

Oh, I didn't know I could access the details of all stages, neat

[opaque aspen]

I-what

[maiden spire]

so it's the boss then

[opaque aspen]

You didnt know you could see the enemies and their abilities?

[spark sinew]

usually you can't before encountering the boss

i think it's only different for RA and SSS

[jovial nest]

it's only recent SSS

previous SSS have enemy info unknown

until stage is done once

[maiden spire]

I finished the level and I thought my progress had reset so I couldn't see the details of the last level

it's my first time actually finishing this mode

[jovial nest]

now it can be seen before you even play it

[opaque aspen]

Ooh yeah some stages you can see all enemies before first attempt. Others like the annihilations you get to see all enemies the second you enter the attempt regardless of how far you go in it and the rest you have to actually see the enemies

[spark sinew]

are you sure

[jovial nest]

new SSS allows you to see enemy info before you play the stage

[opaque aspen]

Neat qol change ngl

[jovial nest]

its so "no redo" medals are easier to do

[spark sinew]

yeah but how new is new

[opaque aspen]

Also isnt robin a trap master? What does she have over ela? I know she'l be more usefull for sure but i wouldnt want to up a downgrade of one of my ops xd if it's a side grade then i'm all for it

[spark sinew]

this shit is already old

[jovial nest]

Ela is only a trap master by name

her game style is vastly different

especially if you involve her mod1

[opaque aspen]

True enough

[sudden wedge]

[opaque aspen]

I have her mod3 so yeah i guess she functions more as a global range manual debuffer mixed with a exu on steroids

Who can be set on ground tiles*

Definitly sounds balanced

[jovial nest]

not just that

her mines have the same mod1 properties

so it allows her ease of mine activation (especially with 1-tile radius activation rather than being stepped on)

which trapmasters are restricted by

[opaque aspen]

Yeah hence the global aspect xd tbf it's only global if you can actually deploy where you want them to

Oh right she's locked on debuffing ground enemies tho

[spark sinew]

the main thing is 9 tile activation

[opaque aspen]

Yeah

[spark sinew]

also a typical aoe nature like other 6* trapmaster

[opaque aspen]

Crowd control goes insane with her

[spark sinew]

i would argue that ela is not that different from other trapmasters

[opaque aspen]

Things like swirlter?

[spark sinew]

like sure, her mines are way more limited, but she has the same "i use mines for crowd control" vibe

[jovial nest]

she's too different for me

easier to use but less mine count

[spark sinew]

even has stun mine on s2

[jovial nest]

other trapmasters are fully reliant on good planning

Ela can just activate mines easy af

[spark sinew]

what planning, spamming mines?

[opaque aspen]

She doesnt feel like a planning op, altho i've seen people plan with her and she can do some wonderfull stuff

[spark sinew]

doro has aoe mines so it doesn't matter (and you can waste mines still, she has too many)

[jovial nest]

not all trapmasters do Dorothy bomberman strats anyways

[spark sinew]

robin frost kinda suck but they also just spam mines everywhere

[opaque aspen]

Targetting elites and using her priority talent to your advantage for example

[celest bluff]

Ela is more of a sniper for me than a trapmaster

[jovial nest]

Ela is a sniper/ground sniper with a fragile bomb

[opaque aspen]

Why are we trying to pin a label on THE most versatile op in the game again? xd

[jovial nest]

not a trapmaster by my definition

[spark sinew]

jusan talks about everyone else but ela afaik

so all 3 other trapmasters 🫡

[celest bluff]

But I basing my trapmaster standard of Dorothy so...

[jovial nest]

Dorothy's S3 is pretty easy to use

[spark sinew]

i would actually agree that ela needs planning, since you have way worse time if you fuck up

[jovial nest]

since it's just row-spamming

Ela doesn't need much planning

you can activate her mines from BEHIND enemies

something other trapmasters can't do

[spark sinew]

put her on wrong melee tile? she dies
wasted a mine? you lost 1/4 of your total amount of mines

[opaque aspen]

Either way, so robin would be my best bet? I did think about raising a summoner to try that out but scene and the other one must be outdated af at this point

[jovial nest]

Also if Ela's wasting mines

that means you're using her S3 wrong

[spark sinew]

do scene mhplayer

🫡

[jovial nest]

i activate it so i can deactivate it faster

[opaque aspen]

Scene can reveal stealthed enemies right?

[jovial nest]

it's rare that i let Ela's S3 fully rock

[spark sinew]

yes, also has cheap blocks that slow

[jovial nest]

Scene's S1 can

[spark sinew]

and is BiS in base

[opaque aspen]

Lmao so scene would legit make SA obsolete for me

[spark sinew]

s2 also reveals

[jovial nest]

oh wait, that's camo

[spark sinew]

because like

[jovial nest]

what i meant was

S1 is perma

[spark sinew]

you will 100% bench robin later

[jovial nest]

while S2 is timing-related

Hauc, they wanted someone fun. Not powerful

[opaque aspen]

Yeah while her being usefull on base would be huge

[spark sinew]

scene is also fun to use but useful after inevitable benching

[opaque aspen]

Well more like usefull in factory since that's the only thing i still struggle at keeping in cycle rn

[jovial nest]

Scene needs Vermeil though

for base combo

[opaque aspen]

I do have her

Upped too

[jovial nest]

hmmm lemme check Verm's req

[spark sinew]

can also wait for tinman

[spark sinew]

...

[opaque aspen]

Tinman?

[jovial nest]

tinman's a good wait

[spark sinew]

4* that's in recruit

everyone has her

[jovial nest]

i was just checking Verm's req

yeah E1 is no biggie

[opaque aspen]

Kafka also crossed my mind since my best fast redeploys are a underleveled red, gravel and cantabile

[spark sinew]

kafka is a bad pick

[opaque aspen]

I have her E1 already so thats good

[spark sinew]

unless you want to e2 max her asap with ticket as well

[regal frost]

Kafka works fine at e0 if you're just using her for sleep

[spark sinew]

but still questionable

[jovial nest]

how about Blacknight?

[spark sinew]

typical problem of 5* executioners

shit damage

and if you're using s1 she's almost always worse at e2 than at e0

[jovial nest]

good thing I have gotten a decent pick on who to E2 cap in 5*

it's time for Enforcer

[spark sinew]

please don't do blacknight, your wrist will thank you

[jovial nest]

just in case i wanna touch 100+ days of Danger mode

[opaque aspen]

Wrist? Fam i raised zuo le

[spark sinew]

idt there's any better operator than scene there, because of the base angle, but it's your call

[glass monolith]

Wait wait wait.
Project Red - Kernel
Kafka - Kernel
Phantom - Kernel
Texas/Yato - Limited
Lmao no second fast redeploy for JT8-3

[spark sinew]

oh you have no idea....

zuo doesn't click that much because he actually kills

BK doesn't fucking do damage

[opaque aspen]

The infamous loudsquad

[regal frost]

gravel and yato 2* I guess

[opaque aspen]

Gravel is a yato that can see the field for one second before getting her guts ripped out for the 15th time of the day

[spark sinew]

do people use 2 frd nowadays

i feel like you borrow ng and use logos

[regal frost]

or shu

[jovial nest]

if you want the base angle

my question is

[spark sinew]

hell, i didn't use frd on release

[jovial nest]

do you have Flametail and Fartooth?

[spark sinew]

ng was always easier

[opaque aspen]

Neither

[spark sinew]

scene is still better unit in base than ashlock/wildmane

[jovial nest]

that plan's gone then

[spark sinew]

even if you have them, no?

[jovial nest]

haha

time for you to get back to #r-i-i-c

depends anyways

Viv is buffing their combo

so that's a huge expense

[spark sinew]

why banish me when i'm right

[jovial nest]

Viv exists....so she buffs Kazimierz

[spark sinew]

1. you didn't say anything about vivi
2. i'm fairly sure scene still looks better

why cherrypick jusan

you know those 2 ss are useless

[opaque aspen]

1.06 with vermeil? I could never

[jovial nest]

i'm only showing the end results

[glass monolith]

Nobody:
Vivi + entire Pinus club:

[spark sinew]

the only results that matter are individual numbers that scene and one of pinus pull

[jovial nest]

with JK, it's a different case.

[spark sinew]

showing other 2 pinus contributing is misleading at best

[jovial nest]

Best Vermeil EXP needs Pallas

[spark sinew]

JK just makes it not shitty to run her over 20% pp worker

[jovial nest]

Scene's combo is less expensive

[spark sinew]

and doesn't work at all with greyy2

[opaque aspen]

The one moment where i wish ops tab had a search bar for op names

[jovial nest]

+5 factory prod = +10 drone

[spark sinew]

and jk is 10%

[jovial nest]

so it's fine to use if you can do it

10% for PP + 5% for Wildmane

[glass monolith]

Flametail is +10% to those +25% clowns

[spark sinew]

it's not "this or that" (even if we ignore 2 cc slots for Pinus)

it's both combos working at once

[jovial nest]

whether you think of it or not, every hardcore base player uses Flametail and Viv in CC

[spark sinew]

yeah but the context is e2 ticket, so they'll only have one pinus working

[jovial nest]

either way

there's no point debating this much

the combo is incomplete for them

[spark sinew]

yeah, opportunity cost doesn't exist now

thankfully we have infinite cc slots

[glass monolith]

Ticketing base worker is boring

[jovial nest]

it only matters if you don't plan at all

you'll have to pick which ones are helping more.

[spark sinew]

you literally have 2 less slots to put other shit like Sui or amiya in...

[jovial nest]

simple as that

amiya's a 14% by the end of the day. If who you're adding gives more than 14%, simple af

remove her

[spark sinew]

again, you seem to assume that everyone has full combo or it's not running

but it's not like that for almost all players

people have some parts of combo, and it still might be worth running it for them

[spark sinew]

amiya is not 14%

[jovial nest]

Hauc, you're also assuming everyone's a base nut. If everyone has full combo, they still have to be dedicated enough to make base rotations

95% do not

[spark sinew]

both proviso and teq amplify her %

[opaque aspen]

[jovial nest]

how much you think that's helping depends on how much you're droning with Proviso

[spark sinew]

that's why we answer the questions and help them, no?

[spark sinew]

...no?

it doesn't affect droning at all

[jovial nest]

Proviso's value is nice and all. but lets not kill every other prod just to empower her further

[spark sinew]

proviso with 90% nothing in tp vs proviso solo in lvl2 tp would drone the same amount of lmd

[jovial nest]

not when 2-5-2 max right is already struggling to keep gold bars high enough

[spark sinew]

????

now that's rude

[jovial nest]

how is it rude? it's just what normally happens

[spark sinew]

rude how you keep mentioning MR

[jovial nest]

I've seen Amiya booted in most rotations just so they can add every CC leader combo

[opaque aspen]

oi it's only partially leveled

[jovial nest]

well, cause that issue doesn't exist for non-MRs

[spark sinew]

for like 3 years

[glass monolith]

I have 243 maxed right and Proviso. What is "having gold bars"?

[jovial nest]

like, i actually have to do 3 EXP and/or drone Proviso to lessen this.

[opaque aspen]

yeah i do struggle at keeping gold prod at max. Exp prod does suffer a log (running a lvl 2-2-3 so that's subpar to say the least) and i'm always droning for gold unless i bought some from the shop

[spark sinew]

i still have my stockpiles from 2years ago

[jovial nest]

either way I'm prioritizing droning EXP

[spark sinew]

was around 5.5k back then

[jovial nest]

raising a lot of ops does make EXP demand high

[opaque aspen]

i wish trades were a thing

[jovial nest]

not happening to any gacha with automated resource gains

[glass monolith]

I drone gold

[opaque aspen]

fck now i regret not taking the scene skin btw xd

[jovial nest]

lulz

[spark sinew]

you probably shouldn't drone gold unless you don't have prov

[jovial nest]

i do buy skins for base ops

if it looks great

anyways....i do not want to ever do AH combo

it forces you to do rotations below 12 hrs

but some are willing to do that

[opaque aspen]

i don't think i have prov

[jovial nest]

unfortunate

although if you did have prov

[spark sinew]

are you running 2 gold

[jovial nest]

she will consume a lot of gold

[opaque aspen]

what class is she again?

[jovial nest]

supp

[opaque aspen]

2 lvl3 factories yes

[viscid ivy]

Why am I failing Lumen's paradox simulation? Is there a level/trust requirement for it that I am unaware of? All guides I saw I followed to the letter yet Irene still can't finish off the caster thing

[opaque aspen]

they take priority over exp facts since i'm both poor in gold and lmd

currently sitting at 5k and needing upwards of a million

[spark sinew]

you have another lvl3 factory for vermeil?

[lofty stag]

Usually having 100 trust kinda helps, also put some levels in

[opaque aspen]

exp lvl3 is vermeil's nest pretty much

[jovial nest]

I can't answer you here since my Lumen's been 100+% trust and S3M3 for a long time

here

Scene's worth it for a Verm EXP

[viscid ivy]

But like Irene herself can't kill the damn thing. Does it take my own Irene's stats or something?

[spark sinew]

speaking of, can lvl1 sl1 irene clear her paradox

[lofty stag]

The Irene it gives can’t be changed

[jovial nest]

it doesn't

the only borrowed operator is the one who has the ops rec

[viscid ivy]

Then why can't she kill the damn thing?

I don't think Lumen's stats have anything to do with it

[jovial nest]

is the issue that Irene gets stunned?

try to activate Lumen S3.....later. I never did guides

[opaque aspen]

i dont either, i did his paradox very early in his leveling

[jovial nest]

i just followed my guts

[opaque aspen]

like E2L20 S7 or something

with 50 trust, so def possible

[lofty stag]

Maybe Irene placement is bad

[viscid ivy]

No, she doesn't do enough damage to kill the caster thing that has tons of damage mitigation below half health. I followed two guides to the letter and it's not working

[jovial nest]

and yes the problem with guide videos are.....most of them will have 100% trust ops

[opaque aspen]

lumen s3 is pretty much an auto click unless you're put under substancial pressure (you dont want to spend all charges)

[jovial nest]

Lumen's S3 uses ammo to prevent debuff

does it run out for you?

[opaque aspen]

yeah but the buff stays as long as he has ammo

[lofty stag]

Like does Irene get stunned/die?

[jovial nest]

thats why i recommended activating it later

[silver moon]

Which 5* operator do yall think is worth using the consumables on to go from e0 lv1 to e2 lv80?

[jovial nest]

depends on what you have

[opaque aspen]

he also gives status res tho... Does he have full pot lumen then?

[spark sinew]

go for tinman

[viscid ivy]

The caster thing passes through her and makes the iron shell enemies target her prematurely, killing her in the process so yea she doesn't survive

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GzhVM-KGedE 0:50

[jovial nest]

ok is Irene's skill a manual?

[viscid ivy]

Here Irene isn't doing the same damage

Yea

[opaque aspen]

oh wait isnt it a case of you don't want to activate irene too early? iirc i had to time it right so the old mans didnt get triggered too soon or something

[jovial nest]

try to change the timing

Irene's S3 is reliant on having the enemies clumped

make sure they're really clumped

[lofty stag]

Have you watched eckogens guide, I think he has lumen at min requirement

[opaque aspen]

hate those strats that rely more on the crapo 4 star than the actual op

[jovial nest]

if the operators given to you need any form of timing

it's not just about the paradox ops

it's about using all of them well

[opaque aspen]

yeah that much is true, but then you get the 7 ops paradoxes 🗿

[silver moon]

thinking between meteor, platinum, lappland, la pluma, specter, or liskarm to boost up
my 6*s i usually run is walter, logos, chen, bag, kirin yato, hoshiguma, surtr and kalstit

[jovial nest]

the last time I struggled a paradox that i can remember is Lava

[opaque aspen]

mine would prob be SA since i always fumbled the barricade placement

[jovial nest]

i might recommend Specter purely for future AH squad investment or immortal stalling (Surtr does this too)

you can also go Lappland

for the easiest way to combat shitty effects like exploding spiders

[viscid ivy]

finally did it, hate split second timing dependent shit

[opaque aspen]

also for scene do i go all the way up to 80?

i also have a E1L70 tequila

[jovial nest]

thats why i just do paradox on my own. guides have a lot of invisible considerations that might not be accurate to your own

oh yeah i struggled a bit on Shaw's Paradox

[opaque aspen]

(altho degen and my like 5 other guards look at him like the pixar lamp looks at the letter i)

[jovial nest]

there's some weird af timing needed to when she kicks the bombs away to cleanly wipe every enemy

[jovial nest]

your choice

you can use Scene for low ops trust farming (by this point, outdone by Mountain/Thorns in poison maps, or Ling/Wis in general)

Tequila is more of....if you want to keep using him

some used him in IS3, i didn't

[opaque aspen]

meh tequila will just be the cheerleader then

should i do any masteries on scene then?

[viscid ivy]

Honeslty I'd rather not think too much, and get quick orundums

[jovial nest]

up to you

i enjoy AK gameplay that i do everything blind

[viscid ivy]

I blindly steamroll almost everything else, but here it's finnicky af since I don't have my own powerhouses

[jovial nest]

thats why i enjoy paradox

it's a puzzle map

especially when the paradox is based on operators that don't do DPS

or their kit ain't about DPS

[glass monolith]

Penance paradox - Question yourself why the fuck it is about S2

[jovial nest]

oh don't worry Minus

i've experienced more than 1 paradox

that ain't about their final skill

i forgot who's the other one

but yes, Penance's paradox is about S2

[glass monolith]

Silverash can be done with S1 with roadblock play

[jovial nest]

no thats not what i meant

like the operator really needs the non-S3 skill

[glass monolith]

Well it is only stuff i know off hand

[jovial nest]

but yeah

the pattern is broken

paradox ain't just about their final skill

but it sure as hell ain't about their S1 if its the shitty/simple/bland kind

[spark sinew]

it has a flavor text that usually hints about the skill

[opaque aspen]

so should i go all out with scene and up her s2m3 mod3? xd

[spark sinew]

qb paradox is so easy (if you don't get baited by top side) you can probably use all 3 skills

definitely not mod3

[jovial nest]

will you use her for base only?

or do low ops with her?

don't you have better trust farm ops?

[spark sinew]

mod2 was allegedly a breakpoint for most common speed enemies

[opaque aspen]

i've done one rn as requirement and it seems fun, i'll study her a bit more tomorrow (i have like 15 ops to trust farm now because of a not of newcomers)

[jovial nest]

if you will use her for trust farm

capping her is a recommendation

since levels = better summon stats

[opaque aspen]

the thing is i have wis so this question is pretty simple to answer

[jovial nest]

well, then don't

keep the 5* e2 capper for now

it has no expiration date in your inventory

[opaque aspen]

funnily enough i've used wis like once since i maxed her to 65 m3 mod3, i'm trying real hard to avoid her xd

[jovial nest]

decide who you want to e2 cap in the future

[opaque aspen]

about that...

[jovial nest]

I've played AK long enough to abuse any strong operator i come across

hard content for me is high day Danger mode and IS Difficulty 15

maybe high risk CCs but those are rare

so any other content, i just power through

and see if they can withstand the nukes

[opaque aspen]

thing is, most ops i want rn and need as 5 stars either got a 6 star answer (saria for heavyrain) or are good enough i can just keep them as E2L55 (cantabile, ptilo...)

[jovial nest]

13th slot will most likely go to Elysium (Vulp in the future)

but I only use this if my trust farm team loses

[opaque aspen]

degen sure feels like cheating when i switch back to zuo. He's fun to use since you're constantly on edge... but ffs degen just deleting the field every 20 seconds is just so good kek

[spark sinew]

use s2 zuo

[opaque aspen]

been recently doing trust farm bu actually playing the ops, even underleveled. So yes my s2 qiubai was basically doing an internship with zuo in a sandwitch course. Their mentor being daddy logos who hasnt gotten his amazon package yet (module under way)

[jovial nest]

heh

I've done my fair share of 1 absolute monster of a solo operator + 11 unraised ops

and also use the 11 unraised ops for extra DPS

as long as they ain't dying or getting in the way

[opaque aspen]

thought of s2 zuo but s3 has more potential and looks dope af, and iirc he'd collide with other laneholders i have already

[spark sinew]

at least jusan doesn't cope surtr anymore

[jovial nest]

Hauc

Surtr's getting a boost anyways

i will still use her

but not default "always in team" standard

[opaque aspen]

yeah not default cause now there's walter

[jovial nest]

nah

the existence of Khagandu

means you can't physical everything

the few times i had to use my Mod3 S2M3 Ceobe

[opaque aspen]

man what will i do with SA now

[jovial nest]

use him as an AFK anti invis

thats it

[opaque aspen]

scene is just miles better for stealth reveal

[jovial nest]

yeah no

[spark sinew]

s2 ulpi i would argue also a bad general pick but what do i know

[jovial nest]

i'm not using Scene for anti invis

[spark sinew]

sa has way better range

[jovial nest]

you want anti invis to have good range

[spark sinew]

and some enemies just kill bots but don't reach sa

[jovial nest]

Ines daggers and SA are good options for those

[opaque aspen]

during skill? not that sure. Scene's drones have a londinium art aoe of reveal

[spark sinew]

obviously you just use ines 99% of the time instead

[jovial nest]

like i said

Ines is as broken as Wis. But her department is utility broken

still

Ines' DPS ain't bad

especially after she stole a LOT of ASPD

i can foresee Wis being removed from teams in the far future

but Ines might still be in them

she has too much utility

[viscid ivy]

I am super happy that I got Ines today. She's so damn good

[opaque aspen]

they could release another op tho

[viscid ivy]

My only regret is that I didn't get her skin when it was in the shop

but I couldn't have known lol

[opaque aspen]

she's grabable via ulpi's banner?

[jovial nest]

another agent with bind, anti invis, and passive slow on their range?

and steals ASPD and ATK?

[opaque aspen]

passive slow would be hard to replicate with the rest

yeah that's a lot xd

[jovial nest]

also it's Ines' daggers

[viscid ivy]

Nah I just got extremely lucky. It was the best case scenario if I were to lose the 50/50 on Ulpi. Her or Degen, but I already have plenty of damage so ines is more crucial for me

[jovial nest]

so she can do all her "on range" effects

on 2 different positions

[strange thorn]

i got ulpi and tried getting an offbanner to see if I could get logos, i got 2 ulpis lmao

[jovial nest]

I've done that for anti-invis optimizing

[opaque aspen]

but again, we do have a marksman deployable on all tiles with global range fragile+slow mines that have a 9 tile radius aoe, we're just a few buffs off

[strange thorn]

?who

[opaque aspen]

ela

oh and ammo skill too because why lose value with bad timing

[jovial nest]

Ela's role compression ain't as potent as Ines'. But that solid amt of fragile attached to a decent long range DPS unit