strategy

[terse sierra]

To convince you to buy the max level tickets with irl money

[steep kayak]

Oh my god

[flat sapphire]

e2max pram is not very good, no, since you don't use pram for dps anyway so the stats that she got from max lv are pointless

[steep kayak]

I just figured
I just figured itd make her really good
And i like her alot

Ok but she isnt horrible right at least

[vernal lion]

you can still use her, it's just not now

[steep kayak]

Shes just ok

[flat sapphire]

she's a decent debuffer

[steep kayak]

Would W be a dps? She does alot of damage

[worldly stirrup]

She good for early game.
But not really for end game

[ocean ether]

btw, to drive home the point that the last 30 levels arent worth it... this is the stat gain

[steep kayak]

Is 70 not alot

[flat sapphire]

it's shit all

[steep kayak]

Ah poop

[ocean ether]

its only "worth" it on ops with very high multipliers

and thoese you use all the time, every time

[vernal lion]

like Mlynar

[ocean ether]

texalter

[flat sapphire]

exu and skadi2 frfr

[worldly stirrup]

Penance also benefit from stat.
More hp = more barrier

[steep kayak]

Oki doki well thanks at least ik what to do now

[ocean ether]

mudrock technically does as well

[vernal lion]

wait until Degen banner

[ocean ether]

degen is side grade to mlynar and on same tier, so getting her is bascially a must for you

[vernal lion]

Mlynar is still fine with his taunt talent

[hollow epoch]

I kinda wanna max my penance for more stats but lvl 90 is so fucking expensive

[turbid badge]

I 80d my muelseye for stronger clones

[ocean ether]

I 90ed typhon to 1 hit more stuff

[worldly stirrup]

All Equal

[ocean ether]

I did make a joke about equality, but that would be bad

[peak cloak]

i see Schwarz raised, i smile (no i'm not cirno)

[scarlet mortar]

are you sure

[remote perch]

i see Schwarz raised, i see another victim of cirno propaganda

[peak cloak]

i'm depress now

[foggy grove]

handbuff for waltuh

[void terrace]

Hey hey she's always another semi fast redeploy ranged body tank for Faust arrows

[summer copper]

she is good before pozemka

[lapis hornet]

What's wrong with schwarz?

[void terrace]

Well to be fair pozy was good before Typhon ray and w alter T-T

[summer copper]

actually shes still good

just not as good as typhon ray walter

[void terrace]

True but

Sadge

[wide sail]

she gives atk to walter = op

schwarz that is

[void terrace]

I mean I still use eyja a lot

They should have made w alter a caster

Too many stupidly broken snipers now

[lofty geode]

I just got E2 Surtr (first E2), what is a good combo to use with surtr? Because my surtr just dies in like 20 seconds

[somber falcon]

That's the standard usage time

[glass monolith]

That's the whole gimmick. She dies in 20 seconds. And you pray everything in front of her dies in 19

[lofty geode]

ok

[vernal lion]

as long as she still has hp, and not die from devour

[worldly stirrup]

and emperor blade fart

[somber falcon]

devour is just a quick redeploy with extra step

[glass monolith]

You guys being devoured? (Slaps S2 on Kroos alter)

[foggy grove]

It's all part of the plan

[scarlet mortar]

isn't getting devoured a good thing

free rdp

[drowsy jewel]

Real

[void terrace]

That was the most insane strat on DOS

Good combos with surtr to make shit die faster are generally reedalter and texalter

If you need consistency Viviana may be the better choice as long as you are facing a single threatening target

She pairs much better with aak and you can use shamare to cut enemy atk and allow her to survive on her downtime

[vernal lion]

wait, I just realize this caster is p1 time gate

[void terrace]

LMAO

I didn't know that

[scarlet mortar]

yh the last mob spawned in p1 is the killgate if the boss dies beforehand

as is with the typical boss

[vernal lion]

you know it sucks when Typhon died

[halcyon adder]

Believe in urself u can still do it

[void terrace]

That's wild

N15?

[ocean ether]

AFK trust farm anyone?

[peak cloak]

tifon stun carried

[ocean ether]

still raising mudrock's trust so the seed changes every time she trust up

once in awhile, mudrock dies because typhon fails to stun

still clear though because no more cleaners

[peak cloak]

yea it's not gonna stable, i know.

[vocal leaf]

i use penance s3 horn s1 instead

[cyan gorge]

Penance s2 + Kal s3 has yet to fail me

[vocal leaf]

he can’t break her shield

they both max module tho

[celest bluff]

What is the stage for me to use full power of Archetto

[glass monolith]

CC9

[celest bluff]

Is she still relevant now

[merry narwhal]

she's generic and you'll find a use for her on nearly every stage

e.g. you can cut your vanguards for her

if you want her to kill elites too you need to bring a buffer, same as every marksman except Ash

[glass monolith]

If it does die throw random Shamare into mix

[green turret]

how do i do 7-4 i keep failing?

[bold lance]

Bring some vanguards

[green turret]

mine keep dying or letting eneimes through, should i borrow, and if i do then who?

[bold lance]

Mountain seems like a pretty straight forward idea

[heady sphinx]

whats your squad

[green turret]

omg finally managed with mountain after 20 mins tysm

[spice mortar]

Any help with these dann snipers

[turbid badge]

Hoof use last deployed pls

Use ones or somrthing

ones senitel

[spice mortar]

Did you have a stroke?

[indigo quail]

How do I beat this stage because the hatred bar is cooking me 😔

[glass monolith]

Well, hatred bar don't go up AS MUCH if you keep civilians alive. Appart from it - Suffer, entire event mechanic is being cooked by hatred bar 1 to 3 times per map on average

[indigo quail]

It's a civilian free stage

But I'm guessing its due to my inability to kill the enemy that spawns there fast, this is what I'm currently running

[glass monolith]

While hatred bar is full and until it deplete all enemy get major buff and i doubt it is friendly to unpromouted squad in ANY way

You can try to promote Beagle as 3* need to chip farming for promotion and friend support some E1 operator (Friend support max level capped on your highest promotion in squad) from others to carry stages

[indigo quail]

What role should I take the support from

Or specific units of I see them

[long lotus]

Typhoon carries most event stages iirc

[terse sierra]

Mlynar. Also some stages ling is the best carry

[vital arrow]

E0 mlynar and ling

[boreal magnet]

i was about to get f ed

[terse sierra]

They work at e0 too.

[narrow patrol]

You’re gonna want promoted units because the sweepers WILL sweep em

[glass monolith]

Mlynar is Gravel for lazy people, change my mind

[spice mortar]

Someone please help me with is s 4 cm

I just get murked the moment the first blood bar activates

[cedar needle]

You could borrow Saria and try something like this ig? Deploy order typhon > SA > Saria > eyja > vivi, pop SA S3 when the agent from first blood bar comes into his range, pop vivi S3 when the idle agent at top starts moving toward her, rest is pretty much afk

[spice mortar]

Thanks for the advice but i finally brute forced it

[glass monolith]

Relatable

[spice mortar]

Oh god is s 5 seems even worse

[vivid rain]

Use Typhon s3 to nuke boss and kill him early on (might need debuffer/thrm ex) then it’s easy from there

[spice mortar]

Don't have m3

[barren basin]

uhh i need advice to beat map IS-10

[cyan gorge]

Should be fine if she’s at least s3m1

[ocean ether]

with or without borrow

with borrow is just borrow typhon and win

[barren basin]

thanks let me try it

[ocean ether]

@barren basin If you doing typhon borrow, just slap a good defender and some medics

[woeful veldt]

how to skip Damazti's phase?

[smoky halo]

during their skill animation

burst from more than 50% hp to 0%

u have around uh 8s to do that

[woeful veldt]

wait, which skill exactly?

[glass monolith]

When he cast global damage shit which spawns drones and everything god damn died

But you need to do like insane amount of damage in those 8 seconds

Like 140k raw damage in 8 seconds (counting Damage reduction) when there are 3 clones

[woeful veldt]

OHHh

alright thanks, i get it now

[smoky halo]

the focus target 1 ally or the global atk one with drones

goodluck

ur best bet would be to bring aoe dps that hits multiple clones

[woeful veldt]

funny, because i don't have stuff like mlynar or silverash

[smoky halo]

its gonna be very difficult then

[barren basin]

u talk too late;-;

do u have Ling e2? i think i cant use typhon

[civic bear]

U have 9.1s
8s is the drone skill cast
1.1s is before they go invul after drone spawns

[heady sphinx]

I mean Ling can solo is-10, why use typhon when you can just ling it?

[civic bear]

Slower I'd assume

[barren basin]

no one have that

[heady sphinx]

what operators do you have?

[barren basin]

Ive only been playing for 9 days

[heady sphinx]

don't think ling will help you

[foggy grove]

why not?

no?

it's highest "promotion" stage

[glass monolith]

Level capped by PROMOTION, not actual level

[barren basin]

[heady sphinx]

I stand corrected

I can hook you up with E2lvl90mod3 ling mate

[foggy grove]

anyhow e2 lv1 ling also clear even before the whole cap thing

[glass monolith]

e2 lvl 1 is moduleless

[foggy grove]

ye

[barren basin]

uhh

[foggy grove]

just to prove a point

[glass monolith]

I know she is still OP and he has Myrtle but lmao 46 cost dragons

Also switch Myrtle for skill 1 and use medics, more DP that way

[barren basin]

but in my list friends no one have Ling

[glass monolith]

Unless you somehow in situation when that heal is mandatory to survive

Random people will do

[barren basin]

a strongest ling i can find is Ling e1🫠

[heady sphinx]

ling just solo's IS-10 with proper placement, no need to even use other operators

[glass monolith]

You sure your E2 Myrtle in squad?

You won't find e2, if your squad has no e2

[barren basin]

my myrtle is e2

[smoky halo]

go to #friend-id and find someone

[glass monolith]

Those are some cursed randoms.... Wait is random tied to ingame level?

[foggy grove]

after certain level ye

[glass monolith]

[foggy grove]

you are paired with around same player level

[glass monolith]

New weird knowledge obtained

[barren basin]

Ive been waiting for 2 days and still havent received a response

[foggy grove]

so you want to spam friend req early

[barren basin]

i dont why but before in that list always have a player higher level

[foggy grove]

yes because they don't have that limitation when your player level is low

like low low

[barren basin]

shiet

[foggy grove]

so your best bet is #friend-id ye

[barren basin]

[glass monolith]

This explains why the moment i have free friend spot some lvl 5 head first into requests

[smoky halo]

after lv20 yes

doctor lv20

[barren basin]

im too lazy for waitingg fkk

[solar sage]

What are the most sought after characters for a squad lineup?

[smoky halo]

dorothy s1 also solos is-10

but its rng

thats the best i can offer lul

[barren basin]

i dont even know have that character

[smoky halo]

i meant like i can offer dorothy s1

since she also solos is-10

but the clear is very rng

[barren basin]

oh thanks soo i can get your name?

[glass monolith]

Svbb#2321 can lend Ling, can't promise to keep her around forever

[smoky halo]

oh someone already offered ling

[cyan gorge]

I’d offer my Ling but I remembered I never gave her masteries

[smoky halo]

just use ling rather than mald over 20% crit chance

[solar sage]

Anyone have good squads to show off??

[barren basin]

nvm u are useless now

[glass monolith]

Pull meta. M3 meta. Forget about meta

[peak cloak]

what is the purpose behind?

[cyan gorge]

For what context? Just in general?

[smoky halo]

lul

yes

[barren basin]

[barren basin]

oh forget ty

[solar sage]

For ideal squad build for grinding out the game. Meta builds ect. As a new player I am trying to understand why some characters are better than others and whatnot

[smoky halo]

some characters are better than others because the either do more dmg or provide more util than other characters

[solar sage]

But at an increased cost...

[smoky halo]

what incrased cost?

DP?

[solar sage]

yeah

[smoky halo]

the best unit rn in EN is mlynar who costs 12 dp

lol

[solar sage]

Alright

[glass monolith]

Skill. Talents. Kroos being 3* has very big damage thanks to her skill and talent even with low base stats due rarity. Mlynar has talent allowing you to cheese enemy agro and skill which can do ALOT of damage. All while costing nothing

[smoky halo]

you can also just bring vanguards that provide dp

[solar sage]

Like Plume and Fang

[smoky halo]

yes

[civic bear]

There's a stronger op bro

A mlynar that cost 10 dp 💀

[solar sage]

My current squad line up

[peak cloak]

squads of old gangs have some difference than squads of newbies. u should learn about the game more than caring about meta (which meta is a bullshit)

[solar sage]

Fair enough

[cyan gorge]

This is my “catch all” squad if you want to see an example of an endgame team

[solar sage]

Tank you

[peak cloak]

if u interested in

as i said, u dont need to care about this kind of team

or meta

[solar sage]

So lists will begin to look more compiled of 5 to 6 stars as one progresses

[peak cloak]

learning game is top priority as a newbie

[solar sage]

Still getting there I guess, just wanted to see the peak of the mountain as I begin my climb Lol

[fast basin]

5*s are usually super niche

Few of em are very good

[glass monolith]

For me there was no peak. There was part when i rarity abuse to advance. into part when i do random stuff for lulz like no 6* majority of event

[peak cloak]

it takes time, u know, when u are asking right here, people already go ahead u 1-4 years. me: 2 years and half

so chill out, there is no race. spend your time learning game carefully will help a lots

|| dont be like another lancerisdead (the one who is struggling with high rarity units even in some easy stages), man ))||

[solar sage]

Ah

No no, I just worry about my squad composition as I progress. Should I focus on having a couple extra vanguard leveled just in case? that sorta thing

[scarlet mortar]

this squad is kinda overkill, i never bring 12 ops to a stage just bc i'm used to compressing roles

[peak cloak]

UTAE

[scarlet mortar]

but yh you can get by with anything as long as yk what you're doing

[foggy grove]

am i the only one who has no fixed squad

[scarlet mortar]

er yh no same

[foggy grove]

i just feels like throwing dart

[scarlet mortar]

i literally just made that

[solar sage]

I realized that some squad members synergize better than others

[scarlet mortar]

the closest i have to a fixed squad is my niche

[solar sage]

Like Fang and Plume are great, but backing them up with a medic and a crowd control caster makes pretty quick work of elite units

[scarlet mortar]

fang doesn't have staying power for the harder stages so you do want to retreat her eventually

plume's even worse bc some stages make it harder for her to open, though ig the logic itself for using her doesn't change when you move up rarities

[peak cloak]

yes, that's how my squad has been made for

[scarlet mortar]

i assume you mean splash casters for "crowd control casters", they'd want more mobs in their range so either a defender or other crowd control ops e.g. ambushers are helpful

if it's chain casters instead, uhh they aren't as dependent on the other ops bc they have both damage and crowd control in their kits

they're middling at both though

[peak cloak]

Silver Ash helps on redeployments.
Amiya gives atk buffs
Elysium help sniper operator
and Reed to burn the whole battlefield MUAHAHAHA
i just point out some of those.

[scarlet mortar]

mfw my improv squad is based around the tenet "open, pile dps in a corner, have mud solo anything else"

[silver garden]

wise people of the arknights discord

i need help with is s 5

that shi looks so hard scared before even trying it

[solar sage]

Mudrock does she benefit from any skills that passively heal allies?

[silver garden]

yes like blemi

blemishini

s2

or perfumer

[solar sage]

Was kinda wonder about there being a loop hole around the whole "Can't be healed by allies" bit

[peak cloak]

try out and come back later

not cm?

[silver garden]

im scared

also im low on sanity

both in game and irl

i was watching kyos like guide that uses blue lady

but i have like wait

[peak cloak]

cm or it just a normal s5?

[silver garden]

im trying to do both

gotta get that medal set

should i send my ops

[glass monolith]

Regen (Like Perfumer talent).
Damage reductions (Like Silence alter talent 1).
Healing efficiency increase to give them more self heal (Like Nearl on second promotion global +10%)

[peak cloak]

u should as always

[peak cloak]

okay turn out it's pretty easy

[silver garden]

it is?

[peak cloak]

hard for u ofc, not for me

[silver garden]

share you wisdom 🙏

[silver garden]

WOW

i was like considering doing kyos guide

[peak cloak]

now can you: give schwarz old razor mod

[silver garden]

and all the micromanaging the like dragons

and shi ion know how that happens

[peak cloak]

raise her to level 40-60 and does she have mastery(ies)?

[silver garden]

nope not yet

still mastery ing ifrit

love it when the world burns

i wanted to do the high end kyo guide but me no hab skalter and eyja

[peak cloak]

okay, do u have a Pozyomka to borrow?

[silver garden]

(both rlly op apprently)

[silver garden]

i just found one

no masteries tho

[peak cloak]

u add friend, cuz non friend is sl7

[silver garden]

can i add you

[peak cloak]

ofc

NikoRU#5710

[silver garden]

anddd voila

added

[peak cloak]

i will accept the invitation tomorrow. after my work time.

[silver garden]

ohhh sure sure

hows the strategy boss

[peak cloak]

u try s5 for sometimes to get the mob's routes and boss's patterns. that's would help both of us

[silver garden]

seen the guide like 5 times

so i pretty much remember

its just that i dont think i can micromanage that well

(took me a long time to finish some anni stages)

[peak cloak]

theories ≠ real actions

[silver garden]

ill go try it out now

watch me get obliterated by wolfy

[peak cloak]

u can use drill plans so that it cause no sanities

[silver garden]

i never use them

its just there

[peak cloak]

and yes s5 especially on cm require micromanagements but i will try to keep it as easy as possible

[silver garden]

gathering dust

[silver garden]

YOOOO THANKS

[peak cloak]

@hidden vigil hey Tofe, tomorrow i will unfriend u (as always, to keep one free slot) for this guy. so whenever u want to try ceobe, pls ping me.

https://tenor.com/view/well-be-waiting-james-dutton-tim-mcgraw-1883-well-be-waiting-for-you-gif-24553307
i will drop strat tomorrow, gn

[silver garden]

ohh gnnnn

[hidden vigil]

No problem u can remove me i tried yours yesterday
Thx

[viscid raft]

Should I upgrade silence and amiya or just save my resources

[little ravine]

you have to upgrade amiya anyway

[signal lichen]

at this point i would e2 amyia

[peak cloak]

are you up? i'm about to end my work today within 3h

[solar sage]

How well of a character is Executor the Ex Foedere?

See em in the advertising but don’t know if it’s worth the pursuit to pull

[turbid badge]

Great

But the banner

Is not worth it as the opportunity cost of future units

:p

outweigh

[cyan gorge]

Great unit that needs high investment, but not worth pulling on standard banner

If you really want him, wait 6 months for 6* selector or get lucky with off banner

[turbid badge]

Like I'd rather advise for waiting for degenbrencher which should be after pyrolysis than fed ex as her nuking with the attack scale goes pretty hard and can help with a lot of easy clearing

Or simply save

[steep kayak]

How do you beat the famiglia cleaners 😔 they seem impossible

[bold lance]

They are primarily a deploy order check.

[steep kayak]

So like
What kind of unit should i use against them¿

[bold lance]

Any defender. Most melee can tank them with a medic.

Just be sure the melee is last deployed.

[foggy grove]

most melee doesn't tank them either

[vivid rain]

They deal high phys damage when blood debt bar is active so you can tank them with a defender or stall them out with gravel

[steep kayak]

Ive been using gavialiar ? (Idk how to spell name) is she good for them then?

[vivid rain]

Also unless it’s like on ex/s stages exalt evaporate them the moment he can target them

[scarlet mortar]

protector defenders are the only good archetype in general to tank them during blood debt

[somber stone]

Dodge

[bold lance]

Gavial should be fine if she is on skill during blood debt.

[scarlet mortar]

what you're kinda expected to do is keep them busy when blood debt is active and/or prepare your defender

[steep kayak]

Is hoshiguma good for them also?

[scarlet mortar]

yh

protector defender

[steep kayak]

Wahoo

[scarlet mortar]

you just want actual def against them, if not invis reveal so you can shoot them

[steep kayak]

What about the cars? Ik i need to kill them before they are blocked but they seem really tanky

[scarlet mortar]

arts damage basically

there's a trick involving just retreating the blocker before they die, but that's generally more complicated than is worth

oh right heidi S1 if you have her

[cyan gorge]

Totter

[ocean ether]

wdym more complicated, thats the strat most people did, just plop gravel down and retreat before they die. How is that complicated

[cyan gorge]

More like most players too lazy to bother timing

[ocean ether]

I confess to being one of thoese who just plopped mlynar + typhon and then just say "go die"

[scarlet mortar]

if they're already struggling to kill cars, then gravel's shield isn't enough time to stall them

sure it's free af for a built account but you have to consider which carry op they have

indigo and ethan help i think, you can gravel the occasional big dudes and capos which will draw indigo hits away from the car and just bind it while you kill

[hollow epoch]

Lingering shanshu trails is kicking my ass

Strat is supposed to be just fiametta spamming into the massive square, and thorns also spamming while holding down a lane, except that for some reason thorns tends to die

Could be the healer

Are there any non fiametta guides?

I experimented with rosmontis which seemed to work for a while but the upper laneholder just died due to range difference (fiam wouldve won there, but fiam's attempt didnt make it that far)

[ocean ether]

could use ifrit

[vocal leaf]

ling guide

[bright stone]

any1 got a guide on m8-6 secret end thatll work with my ops (shaw dies w kyostin guide and e1 gladiia doesnt rly work anyways)

[worldly stirrup]

Blaze solo lane also work.
Put her on the bottom side near exit.
And use mlynar or silver ash to kill those dragons when they spawn

[viscid raft]

what healers do you guys use for late game

[ocean ether]

eyjalter is enough

[worldly stirrup]

Eyjaberry, or NG if theres art dmg.

[viscid raft]

other than limited

[crisp bolt]

People use proper healers?

[ocean ether]

nowadays, I bring perfumer because I use alot of enmity operators

Kal and reedic are healers... but are they really considered healers LOL

[crisp bolt]

I run kal and reedic

[worldly stirrup]

Quercus also good.

Some stages dont allow medic

[ocean ether]

suzu and skalter

[viscid raft]

whos ng

[ocean ether]

nightingale

[worldly stirrup]

Nightingale

[scarlet mortar]

just use enmity's and live without healing

[viscid raft]

enmitys?

[ocean ether]

I bring perfumer for the "oh shit, they need heals"

[scarlet mortar]

mud, penance, zuo le

etc.

[worldly stirrup]

Ops that cant be healed

[ocean ether]

unhealable operators like exalter, mudrock, penance

[scarlet mortar]

i have skalter gaming

[ocean ether]

wish I had her

had to spark texalter previous anniv, I will spark skalter on walter banner lol

[viscid raft]

why are those good, do they self heal or just good at dmg reduction

[ocean ether]

though by then... civilight is side grade so not too sure I want to

[ocean ether]

they self-sustain

[scarlet mortar]

they're either very good at self-healing or just murder whatever they solo

[ocean ether]

exalter belongs to reaper archetype who heals himself whenever he attacks

[scarlet mortar]

(while being good at self-healing)

[ocean ether]

mudrock and penance have self healing with skills / getting hit

[worldly stirrup]

"Who need healing when you have 18k hp" Penance

[scarlet mortar]

penance doesn't heal herself but gets a morbillion hp barrier

[ocean ether]

musha are enmity operators as well, but they are bad until zuo le comes

zuo le is on crack LOL

[viscid raft]

what if you have none of them

[crisp bolt]

Inb4 the "well akchually"

[scarlet mortar]

hellagur is good at sustain, too bad he leaks though

[ocean ether]

do you have humus and highmore

[foggy grove]

Just use whatever you have

[viscid raft]

dont think i have those

[foggy grove]

🧑‍🍳

[scarlet mortar]

the cookerrrrr

[ocean ether]

humus is 4 star, you should have him. Highmore is free from IS3

[foggy grove]

We are not guessing your roster lol

[worldly stirrup]

Or just use actual healer.

[scarlet mortar]

i would not recc highmore as the standard reaper, though her statline is better than humus

[viscid raft]

I'm trying the last ex stage and this is what I'm using. I die when the meter fills to max on the second phase

[scarlet mortar]

rather dig up a la pluma

uhhhh cuora

[worldly stirrup]

Mod your cuora

[ocean ether]

cuora lol

[viscid raft]

ok

[scarlet mortar]

cuora's straight up better than anyone you can raise rn lmao

[worldly stirrup]

I use her to tank boss at s-5

[viscid raft]

is suzu good in this stage, i havent upgraded her at all though

[remote perch]

Kill p1 with kal
Kill p2 with kal and mlynar
Ez

[scarlet mortar]

okayge but you want actual dps anw

[ocean ether]

just use kal's S3 after the boss does 2 hits on monstr during phase change...

[scarlet mortar]

cuora + virtuosa should be nigh unkillable no

[ocean ether]

pretty much

[viscid raft]

well im not dying to the boss

my top side dies

when they get buffed from the meter

[scarlet mortar]

EX-8 has one lane though

[ocean ether]

look, you aren't helping yourself by letting us guess whats going wrong

[scarlet mortar]

plop cuora there, win

[ocean ether]

either tell us why you need help, or dont ask for help

[viscid raft]

ill try a few more attempts to see how it works

[viscid raft]

I was forgetting to block the 2 attacks in the immortality which was what cost me

[peak cloak]

@silver garden are you up for s5?

otherwise i go taking a break.

[vivid rain]

There are some pretty easy strat for s 5, notably the typhon core strat, if you ever grt stuck you can ask me too

[peak cloak]

s5 cm is pretty easy ngl

[slow field]

Uhh so its actually possible to shift cancel Skadi's transformation?

[turbid badge]

yes ofc

timing is tight

[silver garden]

YOOOO

[peak cloak]

wanna try now?

i have 2h before taking a break

[silver garden]

LESGOOOOOOOOOO

[ornate loom]

are any of the currect limited annihilations rlly easy to do?

[cyan gorge]

All of them are easy with the right ops/borrow

[peak cloak]

do you want to livestream your game? by doing that, i can control situations easier.

[silver garden]

sadly my potato phone will explode when i do tht

[peak cloak]

can you join vc at least? i will stream you squad positions and note u timing here

no need to talk though.

[spice mortar]

How do i deal with the left side here

[peak cloak]

@silver garden join the end of earth vc if u interested that

[smoky halo]

mud + eyja doesnt work?

[spice mortar]

Dp issues

[smoky halo]

what r u deployinf

[vivid rain]

Well, fix it then

[peak cloak]

u did not deploy Saileach, did you?

and without saying, your Tifon will be dead for sure

[vivid rain]

That’s a funky typhon spot tbh

She literally get shot by everyone there

[peak cloak]

basically, there is a strat for s5 cm that u kill everything except the boss, then u kill the boss last

[spice mortar]

Ill try

[peak cloak]

@silver garden do u want to join vc?

lets me know yes or no. if yes i'm waiting

[ornate loom]

how do i solve this? they kill gummy and leak

[spice mortar]

Man i just die when boss reaches left side

[civic bear]

did u use gummy skill when the hammer walks to her also u need damage on the bottom there. use a caster / some form of arts damage ideally to kill them

u're lacking damage for them . noone is dpsing other than kroos who deals minimal damage

[worldly stirrup]

Kill boss when he still on the right side

[civic bear]

dont place mudrock at top left. place here

you kill boss phase 1 at right and then let it walk. it goes around and its final path is from the middle lane just like the invis guy

so roughly you go handle the stage like
kill p1 top right
focus on the mobs from middle and left (cuz thats where the rest of the elites are at)
then boss from middle

[vivid rain]

Typhon can 1 cycle both phases with damage amp

I did it with thermal ex and shamare, maybe there are people who’d work better there

[worldly stirrup]

If you can stall the boss on the right side.
Virtuosa s1 can also kill both phase.

[spice mortar]

I just let cuora stall right side which worked

Mud was able to handle it solo with help from texas sometimes

[silver garden]

yoo sorry i just finished eating

im still outside sorry

[peak cloak]

doesnt matter anymore, does your schwarz s3m1?

just need at least m1 for extra range

[sly drift]

First time on this stage

Didn't expect this diff

[peak cloak]

where reed

[spice mortar]

Did cm first try using the strat lol

[silver garden]

nahhh altho i did try sum stuff yesterday

i almost cleared it but galter died

i used the like high end kyo guide

[sly drift]

Literally no safe lane to place reed lol. I think the stage is about killing blade asap but it's too late when I realize it

Not enough dps too

[peak cloak]

i did it last time with reed e1 and s2

by using balls

and walls

[sly drift]

Diff 12?

[peak cloak]

u should have told that earlier

d10 in my case

[spice mortar]

And then i somehow fuck up in the actual try

Yahoo

[peak cloak]

dont use guides, they are not working for you

xd

but i swear, s5cm is pretty easy with your ops.

idk about your time, it's hard to help you, so i just drop a strat based on your ops, deployment, skill activation timing, that's all i can do

[modern plover]

Quite the dead run without typhon s3

[smoky halo]

nah

yato s1m3 sweeps

costs less dp too

[green turret]

im stuck on 7-9 and i cant seem to beat it at all

whats a good way to win the stage?

[sterile delta]

who do you have

[green turret]

thats the team i was using and this is the ops i have

[cyan gorge]

Virtuosa should make it easy

[thorn bluff]

lvling ur e2 ops to lvl 20 is pretty cheap unless ur broke on lmd/exp

[green turret]

where do i put her?

[green turret]

does that make a big difference? i will after i e2 mylnar lol

barely managed to finally do it

[copper solstice]

Good enough for the blood diamond ?

[radiant mesa]

Try your best! It's a roguelike so you can try again later if you fail!

You should consider doing some masteries though!

[cosmic thicket]

depending on relics it might be tight

[craggy turret]

If you time exalts skill right, blood diamond needs to be burst

[strange hazel]

Since caper’s trait doesn’t get taken by museleye doesn’t it mean cloning caper removes the whole archetype downside

So you’ve got more attack than an AA sniper and more range as well

if this is true it’s going to be a pretty decent combo with any higher rarity loopshooters

[glass monolith]

Or one can just use Dorothy or Ela

[ivory leaf]

I got manticore, is she worth building?

[worldly stirrup]

Probably

[dapper hedge]

No, just skip her

[vivid rain]

mid tier trash ngl (she is half decent as a 5 stars but lol lmao)

[worldly stirrup]

If you dont have anything to build. Sure go ahead.
But ethan prob better choice tho

[ivory leaf]

Alright I'll just Stash her

[worldly stirrup]

He also free

[vivid rain]

you prob wont use ambushers much tbh

[cyan gorge]

I like Manticore, but I agree Ethan is cheaper and his bind has more utility

[worthy mason]

yo, im tryna do is3 ending3 but idk how to properly kill skadi
here is operator comp rn (two others are midnight and uofficial)

currently on 5th floor, i can take one of these path:
combat, shop (i have 19 ingots)
emergency, secret floor node
combat, encounter
all of them go to an encounter at end then boss

difficulty 3 btw

[summer copper]

#is-station for nerds

[modern copper]

I'm at lappevent stage 6, any tips? Does anything go in the middle base or should I just concentrate on the corner

[void terrace]

Wait guys what's the efficiency of orundum base farming

How many rocks per day do you need to keep it going

[ocean ether]

ask in #r-i-i-c

[candid beacon]

is it possible to clear Decaying Wastes-Victoria with 6 ops

I tried it and got 381 kills

the run got fucked up by the devourer thing

[civic bear]

yes

have a slower

u dont block them at all

[scarlet mortar]

crowd control and marksmen

mfs have 0 def when hungry

also yes you can clear with less than 6 ops, considering ancool's here

[summer copper]

ye
thorn+typhon basically afk

[gentle finch]

🧐

[vivid rain]

isnt decaying waste literally cleared by 2 ops

[smoky halo]

yes walter s1 logos s1 sweep

[vivid rain]

wasnt it mumu + dorothy

[foggy grove]

there is a lot of 2 op

for en it's only mumu and doro ye

[smoky halo]

thats also a clear

theres multiple 2 ops

[rich rune]

What works that I can think of is to get an AoE op to nuke the shit out of the area just ahead of the blue boxes like Fiametta s3. Then some sort of mass AoE slow with Proviso or Istina.

Then fill in gaps where needed.

[scarlet mortar]

..you basically described ancool's no vg 3op

congrats

[misty sail]

Any help for is qt

[atomic mural]

Guys will a Maginot Line strategy work

Basically I just camp right outside the base and form a defensive line using my ops

[pallid elk]

for what stage? but just try it and see what happens as well

[cyan gorge]

I do that anyways and it’s yet to fail me

[glass monolith]

Each strategy which result in enemies dying before leaking works

[deft badger]

what do they want from me?

[glass monolith]

Camp dark alley for guy who does translation in Yostar Kill car while it is not blocked (when it don't spawn 3 goons)

[deft badger]

hahahaha 😄

will do ty bro

[deft badger]

...

dont borrow i guess

[narrow patrol]

You need to use your own vigil. Good luck

[dapper hedge]

wdym just deploy e0lv1 and let him die

[spice mortar]

Deploy retreat, don't waste dp

[deft badger]

yeah i used my own... xD

[smoky laurel]

yup, is s 5 is impossible cause my units decide to die out of nowhere and boss takes mlynar, surtr, exusiai with warfarin buff on suzu skill without a problem

i really love when the boss has infinite stats

very fair and balanced gameplay

[deft badger]

didnt bother to block him, hoshi would survive it probably, since i did have lumen and eyja with me, but typhon warf did solo him

[spice mortar]

Cuora just tanks the boss infinitely lol

Well not on her own, wants a healer

But just use her skill whrn he transforms and ur pretty much set for bursting him down

[smoky laurel]

is there anything from 5* and up that can tank the boss?

i feel poor when using 4 stars

unless its myrtle

[spice mortar]

You must feel stupid often too then, but any def buffer id assume

[smoky laurel]

hoshi

[spice mortar]

Cuora is pretty big def so idk

Probably

[smoky laurel]

doesn't change the fact my units decide to die randomly

i legit just had hellagur, eyja, exusiai with warfarin buff and suzuran skill

they didn't even scratch the boss

[spice mortar]

Oh wait are you dying to the debuff

[smoky laurel]

and the crossbow guy

or whatever

[spice mortar]

Thorns under eyjalter solod that lane

For me

You just need some decent def unit to stand there

Do you have gravel

[smoky laurel]

yes

[spice mortar]

She can take shots when theyre in blood contract mode

Wait chat this might be insane

But thorns s2 probably doesnt even need gravel to tank blood rage shots

[smoky laurel]

used typhoon with warfarin buff on suzu skill

the boss still wasn't scratched

[spice mortar]

Typhon s3?

[smoky laurel]

yes

[spice mortar]

??

My sl7 typhon killed it easy

[smoky laurel]

mine doesn't

[spice mortar]

How

[smoky laurel]

ask the game not me

boss was fine

[spice mortar]

What is ur layour looking like

[smoky laurel]

you mean placements

[spice mortar]

Yeah, this is from a failed attempt but thats roughly what my right side looked like

Except eyjalter in virts place and cuora to tank boss

[smoky laurel]

Suzu, eyja looking right, Warfarin looking down so she can buff typhoon that is looking up at the boss, remove myrtle when both of their skills are ready, shining next to elysium looking up with s2 (forgot about her), and hellagur to tank the boss since he was the one that tanked it the best out of all i tried

oh and mudrock at the right

left*

and kill the crossbow guy with surtr

[wide sail]

i used schwarz xmod 2 typhon lvl90 s3m3 mod3 warf m3 and suzu s3m3 on the left on phase two which 1 cycled

pretty sure typhon warf gets most of the way

[smoky laurel]

i don't have schwarz or the modules or masteries you mentioned

[spice mortar]

Dont need masteries rember

I did with with e260 sl7

Just need to get a defender to stall boss

[smoky laurel]

but your units apparently can kill the boss while mine can't despite having similiar placements

[spice mortar]

Do you really have none?

[smoky laurel]

saria or hoshi

[spice mortar]

Try tanking with hoshi

Pop def skill on transform

Boss gets an atk boost

[smoky laurel]

why not

thorns skill

on her

with that one module

the amulet

yea

[spice mortar]

Youve lost me here what does hoshi mod do?

Shes just there to tank

[deft badger]

DR saria

[wide sail]

how much atk does zaaro have phase 2 cm

[deft badger]

sry hoshi gets more def

when blocking

he doesnt hit that hard...

[spice mortar]

Can hoshi get to around 1.8k def

Because thats what my cuora had and boss tickled her

[wide sail]

lvl 60 s2m3 mod3 is 1431 def

[deft badger]

without thinking about numbers hoshi can tank that he doest hit hard at all

[spice mortar]

Yeah he was using hellagur to tank for some reason

Idk

[deft badger]

or just borrow typhon s3 with mod + warf enjoy xD

[wide sail]

typhon warf goes too hard in casual content

[deft badger]

meh u have to time it a bit and prevent other adds from running in to her range

but its easy she nearly 1 shots him in p1

p2 3 shot with warf buff

btw dude has surtr saria suzu xD

let saria tank p2 use suzu saria skill surtr the hell out of him

suzu saria s3

[spice mortar]

I used saileach s3 to debuff boss

[wide sail]

turns out brute force pretty good for boss that does nothing

[deft badger]

what i would do, borrow ifrit s3 xD
for cm drop surtr on top of that, dogo dies for sure

[narrow patrol]

How to say fuck younto everything

[signal lichen]

Is en rec still down/offline was trying to find more clears for the event

[steep kayak]

Hi yes i see now why you told me to get gavialter to elite 2 💀 wth is this beast

[deft badger]

cm with suzu warf typhon

[worldly stirrup]

Poor doggo

[void terrace]

Hmmm is stainless a better option for Typhon buffing

He provides 24% atk up even off skill

But of course he doesn't have warfrains healing

[tidal sedge]

If you've the tiles, DP, and he isn't a liability yes

[void terrace]

Oh right tile issues

[cyan gorge]

Yeah I think s1m3 Stainless does provide a slightly higher buff than Warf

96% vs 90% iirc

[void terrace]

I'm more interested in the passive 24%

Caus once ward buff runs out it runs out

[tidal sedge]

96% atk buff and 25 sec duration.

But Warf healing is a pretty big boon for her. Healing off chip is usually better than being a 2 block body with mediocre stats

[void terrace]

True that

Stainless gets in 1 extra buffed shot with 20s duration

And the passive 24% atk increases raises her base atk to 1560

Which also affects her other arrows

I think I'm gonna M3 stainless S1 anyway

With degen coming out having warf stainless skadi will be hillarious

[tidal sedge]

Oh wait Stainless s1 is just 20 seconds? I was mistaken there.

[void terrace]

Ooh yeah

It's only 20 up

[smoky halo]

cant u just bring schwarz with mod

if u want passive atk buff

u dont even have to deploy her

[hidden parrot]

been struggling on this level, 7-13, any advice?

[wind spire]

what units do you have

[hidden parrot]

should i just send screenshots of my most levelled units?

here

[spark sinew]

tried ling?

you shouldn't struggle here i think

bag - skalter- ling

[hidden parrot]

oh got it

i forgot support units were a thing :o thank you!!

i'll have bagpipe on s2 right?

[spark sinew]

actually ling on the right facing the defender is better

or maybe on left facing it
any caster for the other

[hidden parrot]

skalter s2 as well probably

[spark sinew]

i put mine on s2, because you have it as main, but honestly i think s3 should work better (maybe)

[hidden parrot]

got it

[hidden parrot]

i have s3 at m3 but s2 is only m1 or smth

[spark sinew]

you can also bring vanguard + bag and not worry about it

Ling just can't open this map due to dp cost

[hidden parrot]

i see

i'll try things pit

out

see what works

[spark sinew]

careful with the buffers tbh
my ling barely kills (probably use the skill when it goes to the blue box, and use caster for the defender)

[hidden parrot]

got it

so bagpipe first

then skalter

then the caster then ling..?

wait no

[spark sinew]

bag + you can drop two vanguards
plug the lanes with dragons

chip the other defender that ling doesn't attack with dragon on skill/caster

[hidden parrot]

ohhhh okay

[spark sinew]

the only reason we don't just use skalter+ling is because we don't have enough dp to plug two lanes

[hidden parrot]

ling's summons are expensive jeez-

i haven't used her much

just figuring it out rn

[spark sinew]

cm would remove half your roster

[hidden parrot]

cm?

[spark sinew]

but for normal stage you can also borrow eyja or similar probably (and then you would likely need to use ling for cm anyway)

challenge mode

[hidden parrot]

Ohhh

[hidden parrot]

oh i'm borrowing ling rn

[spark sinew]

good

some people just dislike how strong she is etc
or how every strat with her just lingers on you placing dragons and playing around Ling's limitations, basically ignoring the rest of the squad

i only remembered that after i recommended you to use Ling

[ornate loom]

how do i beat mephisto? faust just claps my units

[spark sinew]

put defender last

if purple arrow oneshots, cut someone for Gravel and use her to bait it

[rigid sundial]

Is this team good? Vigil, Thorns, Schawrz, and Ptilopsis are my flex chars. I can replace them with Flametail or any flagbearer, Qiubai, Virtuosa, Lumen, Gravel, and Phantom depending on the stage. And I need to build SilverAsh too. I'm just wondering which chars I could use to "maximize" the damage. I'm also thinking of not using Gravel at all since I don't think she's that much impactful when she's only there for NTR K.

[spark sinew]

team comp depends very heavily on the stage indeed

[rigid sundial]

I'm trying to create the ulimate boss killing team you see

[spark sinew]

vigil for example doesn't do anything here

[rigid sundial]

Hes there for moral support :3

Hes the only exception I guess

[spark sinew]

typhon doesn't do anything either

[rigid sundial]

But imma replace him if it ever comes to it

[spark sinew]

she doesn't synergize with others

she doesn't really benefit from others when you would use her in her s3 "niche"

[rigid sundial]

Not even for boss killing?

[spark sinew]

(aka boss fucks off somewhere far away that you can't block/shoot at him)

[rigid sundial]

Ah

And if she ever gets in the boss's range shes pretty much dead

[spark sinew]

so it's either she solo kills the boss or you would kill the boss with others anyway

[rigid sundial]

So then which char should I replace her with?

Virtuosa maybe? But shed probably be the same

[void terrace]

But that's only 13

Well 15 if I get my pot6

But is it really worth

[spark sinew]

i think having like 2 teams would be fine (or switch typhon to s2 if you can block the boss/kill it with other means)

[rigid sundial]

Great idea

Thanks! I think I know what to do now

[void terrace]

Lmao I still just block the boss and have typhon artillery it

[spark sinew]

seems vastly inferior to just using other units

[void terrace]

Means I can just focus on a heavy defender rather than doing other stuff

Depends on the boss really

[spark sinew]

not to mention it would usually mean that typhon wastes s3 procs on mobs

and the damage is already pretty bad

[void terrace]

True. I have found stainless warf Typhon to be very fun

3 shots is all it takes to kill pretty much anything

Stainless dosent even have mastery yet

A single shot killed the wolf's second phase lmao

Used like 3 arrows on its first phase with no skills, and wasted some on mobs

[rigid sundial]

Woah

[void terrace]

Then the moment phase 2 came up one arrow was enough to get the job done

I mean it's 3 deployment slots

[void terrace]

And a lot of positional dependancy

But it's pretty fun just watching bosses dissapear

[spark sinew]

we have like Ray who is more receptive to buffs, Wisadel that does more without buffs

[void terrace]

Yeah but

In the present

[spark sinew]

logos powercreeping every caster

[void terrace]

It's poggers

Just enjoy the game man

Those 2 buffers are rated E for everyone

186% atk buff is no joke

[spark sinew]

and yet they're pretty bad on typhon
anyway don't mind me

[void terrace]

Lmao yeah I'm building them for degen

[spark sinew]

they're actually not that good on wisadel either

[void terrace]

But degens own cycle are too long

[spark sinew]

because she has her own steroids

[void terrace]

It's not about whether their good or not

They get the job done

[spark sinew]

you can literally cut them and do the same

[void terrace]

It's pointless arguing with hauck on these things...

[void terrace]

Anyways it's a pretty cool team but why gravel tho?

To reduce NTRs cooldown?

[rigid sundial]

I was thinking that and also more dmg. I removed her after thinking it through

[spark sinew]

put the better kazi unit!

[rigid sundial]

Hah

I don't have any other

[spark sinew]

i was shitposting about slotting in mlynar
sorry

[rigid sundial]

Well theres flametail

But shes a vg so the deployment times wont match

And i don't wanna put in mlynar

[spark sinew]

you really don't need that if you use nrtk "correctly" tbh

aka you have 0 deploy slots

[rigid sundial]

Yeah

[spark sinew]

because ntrk counts herself

[void terrace]

This is my current default squad. It's mainly built around Vivi duelling threats but its built for maximum 3 lanes

[spark sinew]

oh, vivi i read it as vigil

[void terrace]

Shamare either is used to reduce dmg during vivis downtime to make her practically immortal or to increase hoederers dmg

Aak Vivi is the main source of whoopass

[spark sinew]

idt vivi was that bad to need shamare

[void terrace]

Her downtime sucks. But the good news is that it's short

So it's perfect for shamare to cover

[spark sinew]

uptime isn't stellar either

[void terrace]

Shamare basically mitigants incoming dmg by 50%

[spark sinew]

what i meant is, she's not gonna die anyway during downtime

especially not with those medics

[void terrace]

Most of the stress tests I've done against the steam knight and h13 4 she does

I've run it about 80 times by now?

Like she died in like 40 of them

Before I included shamare

Then she just didn't die

[spark sinew]

also no good clones for mumu ig you cope eyja clone but ouch

[void terrace]

Aak

And eyja

Eyja clones do a lot of arts dmg

Aak clones have over 2k hp

And fast atk speed

Mumu is just used as an artillery squad with eyja, just having 25s of clone uptime with S3 activation

The two of them can single handedly kill the steam knights first phase before he makes the second loop on h11 4

The dmg is really good

Mumus arts clones are so slept on

Think about it. You have 5 900 atk casters, who gets 50% atk on skill

Even if you only have 4 due to slot space

Eyjas atk interval is 1.6s

Thats 6750 arts dmg 1.6s

With full duration bind

[spark sinew]

is that good

[rigid sundial]

What's the order of which I should m3 I Sa, Ines, and Ntr

[hollow forum]

is your yato M3'd

[rigid sundial]

Yeah

Shes 60 with module 1 tho

[hollow forum]

then Ines > NTR > SA

but both NTR / SA are kind of just interchangable because you're basically using them for the same purpose

[rigid sundial]

Ahh

True

Guess I'll do ines first

Thanks!

[spark sinew]

what skills

[rigid sundial]

S2 ines, s2 ntr and s3 sa

[spark sinew]

do s2m1 ntrk and then do sa probably

[rigid sundial]

Shes already s2m1 lol

Sa it is then

Thank you

[spice mortar]

new player giving advice

[spark sinew]

s3 ntrk is a good consideration here actually
although between typhon and kal + yato you won't struggle with blockers too much

that's an ornament

[rigid sundial]

True

[spark sinew]

that said i am a bit out of touch, possibly

like idk how stuff performs when not m3ed

[smoky halo]

seems better than bringing warf or stainless for typhon buffing imo cause its a handbuff and doesnt require any setup
warf buffing a permanent skill sounds awful bc u use a permanent skill to deal consitent dps anyway if u wanted burst you should be using a burst skill

[spark sinew]

||buffing typhon just feels bad regardless ||

you can use sora if you wanted

otherwise idk why you use typhon s3 over other options

[peak cloak]

if u are talking Hauck as newplayer via "discord joining date", then u are dumb

[spice mortar]

I was being sarcastic

[peak cloak]

u dont have any rights to judge someone with just discord joining date as proof, tbh. unless u know fully about that person.

[spice mortar]

I know

[spark sinew]

eh i would think twice before accepting help of someone new to the server

nothing unusual about that, really

[viscid raft]

youre new here damn

I just realized i set my virt as a support unit with her s2. Does anyone use her s2

[spice mortar]

You can get some funny tech but that's it

[dense compass]

it fake new

[dense compass]

not used in really any clears

[ocean ether]

maybe if someone is trying to mald with ines / exuia / thorns

[signal lichen]

seen it used on zt ex 1 with reed alter to clear stage even faster then it already was

can't thik of to many other spots or units its been paired with

[viscid raft]

i changed it to s3 so people will actually use my virt and kal

[signal lichen]

i'm sad i can't just check it since arcrec kinda died i am super curious now about so much stuff lol

[turbid badge]

source; dragongjy ( this skill can be used for some funny procs w necrosis to enemies virtuosa has a hard time reaching ig )

theres also stuff like logos

more necrosis

[smoky halo]

arkrec is alive btw

[signal lichen]

i cant access it for some reason

[smoky halo]

http://118.193.34.223/

[turbid badge]

s1 if p5 :awog:

[smoky halo]

use the IP address

no en version sadly

[signal lichen]

ah

[smoky halo]

gotta cope with google translated operator names

[signal lichen]

en version kinda died rip

[smoky halo]

ye EN version ded

[signal lichen]

well thanks for this one at lest ig

[smoky halo]

[signal lichen]

224 S2 uses on the site

not bad ignoring other operators skills in general that have hundreds more

[viscid raft]

I was one stage away from getting the complete set of the badge

but the last stage was too hard for me

[north jungle]

Now that I picked up Spectre the Unchained and already have Gladia, is it worth buying Skadi from the cert shop or is regular Spectre enough for the Abyssal Hunter team? Which units comprise the team used metawise?

[spark sinew]

both of them drag the team down

wait for ulpian to see if skadi is worth

but buying skadi is 100% not worth

[north jungle]

What do you to see if skadi is worth?

[spark sinew]

maybe his second talent is "triple allied Skadi's stats"

[north jungle]

So otherwise both regular Skadi and spectre aren't good enough for AH team? Do people only use Splater and Gladiia or something?

[spark sinew]

define "AH team"

i assume you use them inside your regular team, right? So 12 (13) slots usually

then yeah, using other units is better

if you only use AH, obviously another unit is a big powerspike, since otherwise you only would have 2

Ulpian s insanely good with them, by the virtue of being a crusher: gladiia removes his downsides

Skadi is questionable most of the time, but is a fourth best, dragged down by her archetype and now even losing the "brick wall" niche to ulpian (probably)

Andreana and specter are so so

[north jungle]

I had thought people used as many AH as possible except really bad ones for AH team, I thought it was just a very niche gimmick but on thread/video about them people were complaining about how overpowered they are compared to most other archetypes

[spark sinew]

people like "factionknights" i suppose
currently it's way better to just run gladiia + spalter + skadi/nothing else + 9/10 good ops imo

instead of going into AH brainrot

solo spalter is also very good, and can be better in a lot of cases

[spark sinew]

power wise skadi is 100% not worth to buy though, and even ulpian won't change that - future banners are way better and you're better off saving certs for pulls

[grim thorn]

Is warfarin the only good healer for hoederer?

[spark sinew]

eyja is fine, whether it's just for the sheer healing or for ability to heli hoed s3 and then use eyja3 from anywhere

you can also use sorta helidrop hoed

and retreat after s3, so your healing needs are lower

it helps that his s3 is insanely long

[north jungle]

Interesting perspective, thanks. For most niche like sleepknight I just stick to a few of the best units, but I thought that because AH almost all buff all other members, the more you have the more you benefit, so that in theory a full team (or as many as possible besides terribad ones) give huge buffs to everybody

[spark sinew]

unfortunately 13 slots is just not enough to accomodate all the good units

so some small buffs (like specter's + 7% damage) for spalter and skadi can never outweigh bringing a mlynar/surtr/yato/texas

~~ making extreme examples to show a point~~

[somber falcon]

On the case of AH exclusive team, that is correct
They all buff each other while doing their own thing, so nobody is "dragging the team down"

Skadi is the heavy hitter, spec's invincibility would be great for holding the lane for the beefier enemies, and andreana is basically 50% of your aa there

[foggy grove]

also more like ah exclusive desperate for each body count

[somber falcon]

That too

[void terrace]

Hmm do people actually run adreana?

I always feel like I'm running the hunters for the bulk. Adreanas atk speed buff is really good but I might as well just slap a proper DPS on them

[ocean ether]

when you are doing a triple defender cost challenge and still bring mudrock for lol

[void terrace]

I mean if you need a sniper in a weird place and alone who is also tanky for some reason yeah

[void terrace]

Deploy her

[ocean ether]

she is on the bench!

[ocean ether]

maybe when ulpainus comes because ASPD for crusher

[somber falcon]

In normal teams she's a fine option if you want to bring her imo

[ocean ether]

do people run AH with sui team undeployed and call it AH team?

[void terrace]

I've been running her s1 since I dislike her hp requirement

Perhaps I should go back to her s2

[karmic glade]

Sui team just dont work, idk why people even use it, more than half of the sui team are shit for dailies

you might as well bring another better ops, so that 1+1=2 and not 1+0.1=1.2

[void terrace]

I mean Shu and nian are decent defenders. Chongyue pairs well with them to do dmg and dusk can be your helidrops wave blocker

That's 4

[karmic glade]

for a team like walter/logos/mlynar/degen/2 frd/surtr/shu/skalter/eyja alter/ines/mountain, who can sui team do the job better and replace

dusk is the 0.1 in the equation

[void terrace]

Yeah but if your playing to use it

Might as well build a team around it

Just spamming meta ops is no fun

[karmic glade]

dailies are just blockers for me to play IS and CC